Why Abigail Shrier Took on the Transgender Craze Amongst Teenage Girls

[@mollynash2597]

I feel like the problem is, instead of changing stereotypes about male and females, they are focusing on changing the gender. I was a tomboy when I was younger, I hated Barbi, I hated dresses and make-up. Sometimes I even thought maybe I should have been a boy since I don't like girly things. As an adult, I still don't consider myself very feminine, but I would never want to change into a man, I just don't prescribe to the female stereotypes. I think we should be teaching children that just because they don't fit into the typical female or male stereotype does not mean there's something wrong with them and they need to change genders.

[@leojobes]

This^

[@johnnycolon3208]

Great comment

[@Yupppi]

Word. Some of those qualities of personality can even benefit the person in their career. Stereotypes exist because of a reason, and they're somewhat useful in making quick assumptions on how to act in the world, to expect how the next minute possibly pans out, but it doesn't mean that an individual matches the stereotype.

[@akashikrekords5557]

If anything we should just tell people to be who they are, and accept it and be happy! Just like how women gotta deal woth the breast size they get and men their penis size. These are things we cant change

[@thelaughingfoxx]

^This comment should be at the top! ^ And just to add, if the person still feels this way strongly in their adult years, say, 20s, then they should be able to make that choice for themselves. Each person should have the right to decide what’s best for their own body.

[@emacias1473]

Glad I was a teen in 07 and picked up an eating disorder instead of a gender identity issue lol

[@shelbycarr4682]

That's some top tier gallows humor right there. 🤣👍

[@danielstolsmo9043]

Haha wow that's dark. Almost made me do a spit take

[@myquest666420]

Lol yeah, I just got a crippling heroin addiction out of it.

[@B10401]

Hey with a sense of humor like that, have you considered that you might be a man in a woman’s body?

[@howey935]

I was a teen in the 80s and i had a heroin addiction, been clean since 95.

[@TaylorPhase]

I hear so many trans people say stuff like “ I knew I was a boy because as a young girl, I loved football and pick up trucks” or guys will say “ when I was young, I liked make up and fashion and doing spa things! So I knew I was a female trapped in a males body”. It’s insane. Just because you like something that isn’t part of gender norms in “ modern” society doesn’t mean you’re stuck in the wrong body

[@jimbob4456]

Easy for you to say.

[@chimpypimpy8245]

I knew I was a girl because I liked pink I knew I was a girl because I liked barbies so you mean to say that to say those things are gender specific so

[@ToyokaX]

My sister became this. She was lied to, brainwashed, by the liberal education system here in Canada. Thankfully she didn't fully transition (as far as I know). She took hormones for a few months (not every day or anything, it was once a week or bi-weekly, or so. I don't quite remember). I haven't seen her in a year, since she ran away from home. Hopefully this craze comes to a stop, finally.

[@whoisjocy]

That’s just a generalization not everyone thinks like this

[@dieseldabz7104]

Nope just means your gay...

[@mohammadishaktayoob1143]

As a certified pediatrician I can say this is so much of unnecessary exposure for the young children to take. Having a curriculum regarding LGBTQ+ for children as young as 4yrs is utter senseless and outrageous.

[@jasonhaiflich8967]

🫡respect to you! We neeeeeed good pediatricians! I can’t imagine being prescribed puberty stoppers and shit like that😰. That shit is awful.

[@consciouspresence5880]

🫡 we need more people to stand up against gender ideology and the alphabet mafia

[@dethkon]

thanks Doctor Shishkabob!

[@Skoopyghost]

Since you're certified. I'm not. Empathy and being helpful is great. They mentioned autism. There are a lot of autistic like me who are just eccentric it isn't a big deal. Autism is over diagnosed as Hell. We are all too some point a little bit autistic meaning we all show trades of ASD. People don't like to admit it. People use the autism label because they think there's something wrong with you. "Autism Spectrum Disorder" is an spectrum on how much of an disordered person you are to people. You can't really prove autism. You just notice the person is eccentric and it bothers you hence the name disorder in the name. I call myself a freak and people think I'm being self deprecating, but I'm not as socially unware as people think. I know how people view me. I don't know about gender dysphoria, but it's probably like opening pandoras box.

[@jacquelinerodriguez3213]

100%

[@tlynns7313]

Wow.. female here..i finally understand what was happening with me when I was 16..highly interesting. 25 now. Never followed through with hormones, extremely glad. I now love being a woman.

[@simonedangelosericola5742]

And we love women who love being women, especially if they are really feminine... 😍❤ greetings from Italy!!! 😉

[@44aske]

Happy for you.

[@hjroberts8927]

same, when I was 14-16 I thought I was trans, it came from having no real life friends (i was bullied, isolated at school) and the only people I talked to were a “trans friend group” on twitter, I grew out of it when I was about to move to Texas and considered the social struggle I would face at my new school

[@AriaGinmizu]

@@Th0tsandprayers In her case, she found out that peer pressure was affecting her thoughts on being trans. When she became busy with other things, that peer pressure went away. She was never truly trans. Please correct me if I didn't get it right, Haileigh.

[@bridgettegeorge]

Me too. When I was 18 and 19, I felt like a man wrapped in a woman's body. I just felt like I was wired differently. I am 26 now. Now I feel as womanly as possible. I realize that in those years a lot of things were happening within my body. I was pretty hormonal and it was just a part of becoming the woman I am today. I had also left home for the first time, was in a new city on my own and was dealing with that. It was just a stage in my evolution and it was meant to pass and it did.

[@Garrus1995]

We don’t trust kids to drive until they’re 16, but you’re gonna seriously allow prepubescent children to make choices that alter their gender/sex? This shit is insane. When you’re an adult, you can make whatever choice you want regarding who you are, but kids need to be kids.

[@Twist_]

@FactsOverFeelings Matter Its 28yrs in recent research that your brain has fully developed.

[@dereksbooks]

They don't care about facts or science.

[@ocean4lifem8]

I will say it. It's a freak show. If you actually encourage your kids to change gender because they have problems that you haven't given them the life skills to overcome then you are a shit human and a poor excuse for a parent

[@hootiehootheblowphish4109]

Here's a sketch about it kzbin.info/www/bejne/oIuYkGeZlMqaZq8

[@user-hc7ry8qp9o]

💯

[@lizze490]

This started off as a "rare" condition and is now promoted as a social norm. The main reason is it's a huge money-making venue for the medical profession. Gender dysphoria used to be described as a very rare condition but now it's normalized to the point of insanity.

[@HxThomison]

Also the elite depopulation agenda. Only inbred elites are to procreate. Habsburgs. It's a eat to keep their weak genes alive.

[@MyLou12345]

Absolutely !

[@hashtagspandas4070]

1500 💰 each or something around that in the UK

[@79464f]

And it gets thrown into your face wherever you are on social media to small kids!!! Imagine

[@bperez8656]

Suicides are due to the decline of middle class over 40 years Not transgenderism… This lady is clueless Correlation does not equal causation Also it’s not as rare condition as you think Many people are still in the closet and not accepted in corporate America

[@sbdreamin]

My sister and I were both tomboys growing up in the 60s and 70s, and my sister is still much more masculine than most men (yet straight). We were talking the other day and I asked her, "If this transgender stuff was going on when we were kids, do you think you would have thought you were a boy?" and she said, "Absolutely. I would have been very susceptible to it."

[@danaVampGirl]

I literally had the same convo with my friends the other day. I a 100% Agree

[@willspeed6804]

@Sbddreamin. Can I ask a personal question? But first a little background I'm a 50 yrs old man who grew up in a house of women in the UK .never wanted to be a woman. I'm an engineer living in Spain now, My X wife in the UK is a University Proffesor who teaches Civil Engineering. I've taught several women over the years welding and had a number of very good female assistants, who can use drills, wrenches etc etc. So my question Do you think in the past women have been restricted from doing jobs that in general are thought of as male assigned and if as a tomboy for example if a girl wanted to be a car mechanic and could be without sexism would there be a need for this gender change thing? After all not all females want to wear a pink dress and paint there nails all day

[@sbdreamin]

@@willspeed6804 hi I doubt any of these women/girls are doing it for that reason. They mostly seem to just be susceptible to peer pressure, and are not accepting themselves like lots of young girls go thru. My sister actually is quite a fine metal fabricator and welder and I do believe she had to be extra skilled at her work to be accepted into that male dominated culture. I spent most of my careers in male dominated professions too. You have to be tough, emotionally, to deal.

[@willspeed6804]

@sbdreamin. Your sister rocks 😃. Yes it does seem to be a new fashion 'oh I'll just switch gender' And teenage years are difficult as you try find your own identity Not sure pumping 16 yr olds full of hormones is the solution. Maybe in specific cases but not as general 'oh you are not happy..change gender" It can take a lifetime for people to find themselves sometimes. I have friend (older than me) in France master mechanic, the cars he has are amazing 1940's Roll Royce's, a 1950's Mercedes with electric windows, heated seats etc etc ....at night time he likes to become Natalie, he's happy old enough to know himself. But teenagers being fed hormones I don't know seems this transgender thing seems to been rammed down everyone's throats over the last few years

[@sbdreamin]

@@willspeed6804 yes it’s really concerning. Young people have little experience and no perspective. That’s why they send young men to war. The older ones are wise to the dangers. When I was younger, I was a pilot. I would not do now what I did then. Young people need to be protected from their naïveté in this regard; you cannot really change genders. It’s impossible. The most you will he is a farce. It’s best to accept that maybe you feel more masculine or feminine and learn to honor it, like your friend.

[@Julia-yj9qk]

I suffered with an eating disorder and severe depression as a teenager. I spent a lot of time on tumblr and other online spaces that glorified gender dysphoria and transitioning and almost went down this path. As a 22 year old woman I’m comfortable with my femininity and am soooo glad I did not go down that path

[@Shadow77999]

Jesus

[@Lorvina1]

this is the problem of this ideology. it makes it seem easy to transition

[@hanh3000]

Wow, sounds like you really came close with that. If you're truly feeling great being a woman then I am truly happy you didn't go down that route. To think of the regrets that you would have if you went with it. Scary....

[@j.c.jeggis1818]

I had almost the exact same experience! I was friends with a lesbian couple in college who were really into tumblr and yaoi and coincidentally both "discovered" they were actually cute gay boys at the same time. At one point, our friend group was 5/7 trans identified females, and we didn't meet through any sort of trans or LGBT group. To my knowledge, only 1 still identifies as a man. I'm not sure how many of them ended up with surgery, but most of them had testosterone prescriptions.

[@HillbillyYEEHAA]

Omfg. Tumblr.. That shit exposed me to so much porn as a teen... I just never felt good enough as a woman.

[@mattcero1]

My hat's off to this woman for writing about this and having the courage to do so.

[@isabellagarcia6782]

Maybe it’s just stupidity

[@TheRealFobican]

Honestly you should have your own views as an individual, not assimilate to what others think of something just to fit in to an idea.

[@TheRealFobican]

@Tom W They can go right up their own alley.

[@danielmaster8776]

I'd be afraid to lose my job.

[@Wasp239]

She wrote a lie and used others' photos without even permission. And lied about that person's experience.

[@landgin3781]

Social media destroying lives for likes. I remember when a girl could be a tom boy and not labeled trans

[@aenoofficial]

@Purple Mudkipz And yet people seem to confuse the two far too often.

[@ThatKidFresh777]

Tom boys still exist 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@tmseh]

Not the same thing.

[@iandavidvillaloboswong5180]

@@Th0tsandprayers the problem is girls that are tomboys now get sold the idea that they have to get a sausage sewn between their legs because they arent feminine and are therefore "the wrong sex". The whole situation is absolute garbage, poisoning the minds of children further confusing them before reaching adulthood

[@tmseh]

@@Th0tsandprayers I live and work in Northampton Massachusetts. 25 years. I'll put this tomboy question to my friends and post the collective answer.

[@msfwhat]

When I was a 15 "unattractive" teenager girl in the 80s, I coped by either joining the punk rockers wearing black clothes and giving the middle finger to the system, and later by joining hippies wearing loose clothes saying that what matters is the spiritual. If I were 15 in 2022, I'd have my "imperfect" boobs removed, colouring my "ugly" hair blue, and calling myself trans. It's that simple.

[@MrMortalz89]

It's just disgusting 🤮

[@donsolos]

Exactly, it's the trend/society influencing the youth

[@thegoblinking.]

Its not that simple though. People dont just become trans because they feel ugly. Its also insainly unlikely that any doctor would preform top surgery on a 15 year old. I dont think you realise that gender transition isnt as readily avilable and easy to get as you think.

[@GDino33]

Wtf 😒 that's not nearly the same thing and you are a horrible and idiotic person for thinking that way.This had nothing to do with trends , gays ,bi ,trans , non binary people have always existed but in secret because of people's extremely social conservative views or religious reasons.

[@dharmabum2838]

Jesus fkn christ.. sounds like a horror film. Strange. I'm a punk rocker.. looks can only go so far. Personally plays a big role. I been with so called pretty girls who were a bore! And i don't like saying anything negative about anyone. But yeah. No worries. Can't wait till this trendy wave of gay culture passes. Once it's commercialized like punk rock. Once it's mainstream..it dies. So it will become pas'e in future..all this was always part of life for me anyways. It's awkward when kids try to use it as trying to be different/cool.now days. Just more posers

[@Norwalquero]

13:35 "I think - in America - we have a weakness for anything that gets cloaked in 'civil rights'......but now ANYTHING that gets called a civil rights issue, you can't question". This is so accurate and powerful.

[@SpongeBath_ShitPants]

And some people want to go down in history as an iconic civil rights trailblazer, which is why you have all these loud nobodies on Twitter desperately trying to grasp at their fifteen minutes of fame.

[@paulcampbell8696]

Exactly. Best line of the interview.

[@lovely1641]

The actual civil rights movement was copied and pasted onto a lot of the current issues and just relabeled as w/e that particular issue is which is sick because what the original civil rights movement did for the most part also was to make sure it didn't discredit itself because that wasn't an option back then. Now somehow it is for these extreme groups

[@lovely1641]

@@SpongeBath_ShitPants Yep. Attention seeking with a cause. Smh. No one needs attention that badly. If you do there's something wrong

[@UsernameXOXO]

​ @lovely 1 of course there is something wrong... do you think kids wanna transition because everything is right with them?

[@fishy7901]

Got to admit Joe makes this one utterly compelling because you could see his physical fear of not wanting to say the wrong thing that would unleash the Twitterati. Comedy gold.

[@oneepie]

Hes gonna get clapped with his daughters wanting to become men

[@victorlandu1889]

Spot on! 🤣😂

[@gwildordipkin6504]

@@oneepie He doesn't have kids. He says he does but they aren't biologically really his kids. PChole himself with that nonsense.

[@george_denbrough]

@@gwildordipkin6504 For one they are his biological kids and for two what difference does it make if they weren't? They're still under his care, therefore "his". Stop talking

[@Naskinlahtaaja]

Hasn't Joe been spreading his propaganda on this topic for years already?

[@jeremycorse8967]

As I senior in high school I’ve witnessed three different girls commit to transitioning in the way of name changing, head shaving, cross dressing, etc. Over the course of my high school career all three have reverted back to their female image and identity and are now in happy heterosexual relationships. I find it remarkable.

[@allhailthewhale1423]

Same here.

[@piratepat44]

and that's... quite okay, and probably not your business anyways

[@frankzappaspussy7362]

yes .. has long been the case that many teenagers go through a phase of struggling to develop an identity and experiment in outlandish ways with that.. which is totally OK unless you treat that like a medical problem that requires powerful drugs and/or at some stage irreversible and profoundly damaging surgery..

[@bessietgrow]

@@piratepat44 This is a societal issue and therefore it actually is their business and any other member of society’s as well

[@zyncra3965]

It's almost like teenagers go through weird phases or something...

[@Sekhmet19aspie]

Growing up in the early 2000s I was the typical girl Abigail Shrier described : asperger's, no friends, severe anxiety, slight gender disphoria. Now I am pregnant and have a wonderful husband, I am SO glad I wasn't born later. As a confused teen I would definetely have asked to be put on puberty blockers, have breast removal etc.

[@Mus34679]

Wow! Thanks for sharing.

[@johnnyrico6202]

Funny, I'm a healthy adult male with low testosterone but cant get treatment from my doctor because it's not "low enough" but a girl can just walk in and get it. Maybe if I identify as a teenage girl they'll hook me up.

[@alialt-queen3351]

Such a good point.......how odd

[@MolotovBg]

That sucks Johnny. I wonder, how did you know that your levels were low? What effect does it have? And are there any other ways of getting it ramped up, say, training + foods?

[@Guttlegob]

Most men in the western world have low testosterone thanks to plastics and modern diet.

[@juicyd9233]

Im sorry man, look for alternatives, like diets and stuff. Taking straight up testosterone makes it worse in the long run. Look it up

[@balazamon]

@@juicyd9233 TRT does NOT make it worse

[@jonathangrignon8850]

How come gender norms are wrong when heterosexual people use them, but perfectly acceptable to use when identifying as a transsexual? Isn't that a blatant double standard?

[@TheBothvar]

The logic behind many of these things just doesn't work. You have to realize it isn't meant to make sense. That is why when you try to discuss these things with people, they just shout you down and call you a bigot because they can't argue their side.

[@ABC-cq5hm]

John totally agree. Their logic is so flawed, the only tactic they have is to try and silence people.

[@Shanti_devi19]

Short answer is... yes!

[@davidcolley4756]

What always trips me out is the original premise that the outside is irrelevant, its what a person FEELS on the inside that's important. Then they go to spend thousands of dollars on "the outside"

[@pdorism]

It's 1984-tier doublethink. On the one end gender norms and stereotypes should be discarded, on the other end they are used as the basis to qualify someone as transsexual. I think that deep down the people who are so enamored with these ideas just subconsciously want to destroy anything that is normal or well-functioning because of their own insecurities. When every principle is deconstructed and turned on its head, nobody will be able to judge them as the losers that they really see themselves as.

[@PeterPatterson-vt2cx]

In 20yrs we will have a lot of people saying ‘why did you let me do this to myself’??? Social media has a lot to answer for. A hell of a lot.

[@cthulhuhasrisen1009]

Social media will walk away with a smile and a pocket full of money.

[@willmosse3684]

In England there is a court case going on about this now. A couple of girls who underwent gender reassignment treatment, felt they were encouraged, and now regret it, having made irreversible changes to their bodies, are suing the doctors who did it. Will have to see how it pans out.

[@RandomRabbit007]

PLAY STUPID GAMES, WIN STUPID PRIZES (shocking that decisions have life changing consequences. This isnt the Sims, you dont get to go back)

[@drewg4261]

I believe we have a lot of that now, it's just not being reported.

[@davidb9779]

Social Media is not an actual being it is merely a free product in a free country with a free market. People chose to consume it nobody forced them. If you were stupid enough to make a Twitter or Facebook then you deserve it all the bullshit

[@ekkoreigns]

I'm a transgender woman. I came out at 39. I can say that I agree with a lot of what's being said here. Upon going to my FIRST session with a therapist, I was asked if I was interested in getting on hormones. At 39 years old it took me the better part of 3 years of therapy to make sure transitioning was right for me. I'm a grown adult, and that decision took me many months and a professional therapist to decide that I was truly transgender. Teens don't have the maturity and foresight of an adult to make such a life changing decision. Lots of teens especially girls feel socially lost and isolated. They think no one loves them, and no one is paying attention to them. All they have to do is "come out" as transgender. All of a sudden everyone is giving them attention and cheering them on. There are legitimate transgender people out there. I spent about 25 years trying to not be a woman. I would be a woman in my dreams. If I engaged in feminine activities my anxiety and depression would go away, but that depression stalked me like a beast in the night. I could fend it off for a couple weeks, but eventually it always came back. We don't have a transgender issue in this country....we have a social issue with our kids, and the powers that be are using my community to victimize kids. I don't know how to fix it...or even influence the problem, but I want everyone to know, many of us transgender people feel exactly like everyone else on this subject. We feel victimized ourselves by being the scapegoat for this manipulation.

[@Dave-nj9te]

Don’t you think it’s wild you was asked at your first session are you interested in hormones it seems like a going to a therapist for something else and they ask at your first session are you interested in taking xanax or whatever drug is meant to ‘help’ your situation? Isn’t that there job to come to that conclusion? Or am I mistaken srsly

[@ekkoreigns]

@@Dave-nj9te It is wild. That first session was September of 2019. In that FIRST session she gave me a diagnosis of gender dysphoria and referred me to a gender affirming endocrinologist. Because I'm an ADULT...I was mature enough to put that off and find a more conservative therapist. My new therapist worked with me for another two years before we came to the conclusion that I was in fact completely cleared of any mental health issues aside from gender dysphoria, and I confidently went on hormones with one of the best endocrinologist in our state. My biggest fear in one of these days, being transgender will not be "cool" anymore, and all those young people who jump on this crazy train for the wrong reasons, will live a life of pain and regret. I'm not saying every transgender person is wrong for transitioning....it's working for me. But people need to make sure they are doing it because they HAVE to...not because they just WANT to.

[@unclereub4024]

Thanks for putting that out there. Reassurance that people with your disorder aren't insane like these people doing drag shows in front of babies. Hope you continue to be comfortable with yourself and live a good life.

[@pauli7457]

Thank you for sharing! It seems like the current situation is only hurting people who are actually trans. It's so important for everyone to use their brains and learn discernment at this time.

[@brandonbradshaw8660]

Thank you for your honesty. Wish you the best in life

[@nickmacaluso6585]

“What do the surgeons think?” Answer: They think they’re getting paid!!!

[@drunktastic]

They are not psychologists. Their job is to perform surgery. The problem is the psychology portion that should happen before a major decision like this is not being addressed.

[@TheAsianRepublican]

The surgeons have 2 choices, get paid or get sued by the trans activist.

[@tumbleweed3740]

@@TheAsianRepublican Your name speaks for itself.

[@simonrodriguez4685]

@@TheAsianRepublican Integrity should be above all else, especially when what’s at stake is the physical and psychological integrity of a human being FOR LIFE!

[@simonrodriguez4685]

@@drunktastic Whomever doesn’t take such high stakes with all due respect, deserves their license to be revoked.

[@ChatMort69420]

This is such an important conversation to have. I’m a 27-year-old woman, didn’t realize I might be autistic or start the screening process until I was 25. I have never felt “female”, or any sort of kinship with other women in particular. I just feel like a consciousness stuck in this body I was arbitrarily plopped into. My mannerisms and speech patterns are kind of masculine. But I have absolutely never felt like a male. I just don’t feel female either. If I was a child now and said that in the presence of the wrong person, (and I likely would since these conversations are being pushed by doctors, in the classroom, and many other spaces,) I would likely be going through life-altering procedures that I could never undo. And if my parents objected, which they would have, they would have been labeled bigots and child abusers. That’s terrifying.

[@ChatMort69420]

Whuts Uhp Hey, I did have some testing recently that made it look like I have OCD, and I have really severe depression and anxiety, but nothing else. Autism and BPD get misdiagnosed as one another quite a bit because the overly simplistic way autists see the world (not understanding subtext and nuance) looks a lot like the way BPD causes people to switch from love to hate towards someone or something.

[@beautifulspirit7420]

What's Uhp why are you trying to assume someone you know nothing a out has a personality disorder? That's a major diagnosis and totally inappropriate to be diagnosing on KZbin!

[@carmensfilmcloset3973]

Well said and a great perspective. Thank you for sharing. Good luck in your journey continuing to learn yourself.

[@shimes424]

@Whuts Uhp maybe she has a gluten allergy? Seriously though, WTF is wrong with you

[@zoeyredmond5501]

There’s going to be a lot of permanently screwed up adults in a few decades that are going to wonder what the hell went so wrong. The sad part is they will probably blame it on the wrong thing and continue the cycle.

[@wallstreetoneil]

You need to be 21 years old in America to drink legally and yet this? There are a lot of doctors who should be losing their licenses

[@robmckay875]

That would suck to not be able to go to the bar in high school. In Canada it's 19 most places. But here in Manitoba, it's 18. Get to watch rippers at the bar, down the street at lunch. I heard the reason for it being 18, is b/c if you can be drafted to war. You should be able to drink. (I might be totally wrong about this).

[@grubbybum3614]

@@robmckay875 it's 18 in the majority of countries. Nothing special about that.

[@Asdfgfdmn]

I am a doctor and I approve your message

[@scottbickerton4152]

I wonder how many people miss important screenings such as PSA or Cervical cytology bc no one knows the gender they were born as

[@scottbickerton4152]

And if that happens, is the clinician liable

[@linpin2298]

It's such a fine line for me. Trying to teach my daughter to accept people for who they are. Yet she has a group of girlfriends (aged 15-16) and they all gravitate to the pronouns, and lgbt community, but what I see is them treating it like it's "the Beatles" like it's just the hype for them. I'm trying to open her eyes to the fact that they're just the new version of "mean girls" because if someone doesn't agree with them, or just doesn't agree with everything they say, they shun them and call them bigoted....it's insane!!

[@NovusIgnis]

The problem is that we shouldn't accept people for who they are. When you start from the baseline that everyone is inherently evil, it becomes clear that we shouldn't accept everyone for who they are. Jesus Christ tells us to come to Him as we are, but He doesn't want us to *stay* as we are. We are expected to change and follow His will, because what we want and desire is not a good path. All of this transgender stuff is just further evidence of that.

[@hahna77]

@@NovusIgnis exactly.

[@PartsUnknownn]

Being kind to someone and accepting them are two different things. If people aren’t in alignment with your values, then refusing to associate with them is totally valid and you don’t owe them anything.

[@michaeldove4929]

They're trying it on like a fashion trend

[@zhengyingli]

I spent a few weeks wearing my mom's heels while I was 2 and couldn't stop watching Disney princess movie, but I grew up into an extremely hetero dude. If I had grown up with woke parents nowadays, I'd be ruined.

[@rottingcorpse6565]

same, i was into "girly" stuff as a little kid, maybe from the influence of my older sister and her friends. glad they didnt push hormones back then so i could grow up to be a manly man

[@oliviahighsmith7549]

Maybe you are in denial

[@zhengyingli]

@@oliviahighsmith7549 What do you mean?

[@oliviahighsmith7549]

@@zhengyingli I mean maybe you could or should have been a girl. People try to fight being trans because society shames people who are. Some trans women become navy seals or athletes to make themselves feel more manly. I denied it myself for years. I was transphobic. In school people said I walked feminine so I went around trying to walk like a weight lifter. I had lots of masculine hobbies. I raced motocross and bmx. I tried very hard to fit in as a guy. Until I just couldn't stand it anymore and had to transition.

[@zhengyingli]

@@oliviahighsmith7549 Nobody shamed me for what I was doing, though. My change in interests came very naturally.

[@CaptainAhab117]

Anyone remembers when "Tomboys" used to be a thing?

[@elisea7434]

How I see it, is that, here's a huge difference between being a tomboy and being trans. I myself have been called tomboy since I was young, doesn't mean I have a gender identity issue. I don't experience dysphoria. And I'm ok with being a woman. I assume you are a man. Try and imagine you were assigned female at birth. And people, family, friends, are on a daily basis reminding you that you are a female. Inside, you will still be the man you are. You will hate your body and everything that reminds you that you were assigned female at birth. You would experience gender dysphoria. You would be trans. Being a tomboy is "just" having a little bit of "masculine attitude", or having a typically "manly style", corresponding to the idea (and stereotypes) we have about man in our society. Not the same.

[@CaptainAhab117]

@@elisea7434 Yes I am a man, (thank you for assuming my gender) this fact was obvious to everyone in the delivery room. This was not just decided arbitrarily. Anyone how sees that a baby born with a penis and decides "I declare this to be a girl" should not have a medical licence.

[@bruisedviolets]

big difference between being trans and tomboys

[@-simplykiwi-5341]

@TinTin :D nope! They are not, it’s a thing called ✨Gender dysmorphia✨ and some of us are lucky enough to have it!! It’s not that trans men are confused tomboys, it’s that they don’t feel comfortable in there body’s-

[@jasonchen4807]

We were all just bigots and sexists back then.

[@j.c.jeggis1818]

When I was a little girl, I learned the word "unisex" from the tag on one of my t-shirts and went around telling everyone that I wasn't a girl, I was "unisex". Nobody thought anything of it, and I grew up into a woman with a balance of feminine and masculine traits, just like everyone else. God forbid I was born in 2015 instead of 1995, I'd probably have been put on puberty blockers.

[@DoctorPhileasFragg]

The story is adorable

[@bearcudlybear]

Yea, bc forcing people onto puberty blockers is totally a thing that happens. The amount of sheer confident stupidity in this entire comment section is astounding. Completely unverifiable and often clearly made up anecdotes bc most people are too cowardly to just outright say they're being emotional about a topic and not rational. The same "do your own research" crowd has clearly not done 5 minutes of research into how transitioning works and the medical consensus.

[@DoctorPhileasFragg]

@@bearcudlybear We don't believe people are forced onto puberty blockers. We believe that children are groomed into wanting to go on puberty blockers.

[@bearcudlybear]

@@DoctorPhileasFragg Question: if a gay/lesbian couple have a kid and the kid turns out gay/lesbian, was that kid "groomed"? You realize this is the EXACT same argument trotted out just 5 - 10 years ago against the passing of gay marriage right? Like you guys have not even dressed it up at all. It's the exact same wording and nonsensical rational that the homophobes of 20 years ago would have proudly championed. Yet all of you are too cowardly to just own your bigotry. "I'm not a transphobe, I just exhibit every quality of one".

[@Laughnowcrylaterx2]

This is actually really scary because it's so true. Damn

[@sunshineflower1922]

This woman is a warrior!! Thank you for helping these young girls!! It is a hard fight but it is time for us to fight against all this dangerous nonsense that will damage our children 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@Magicman786R10]

Mom: You’re not allowed tattoos, piercings, smoking, alcohol and you’re not allowed out after midnight. 7 year old daughter: Can I change my gender? Mom: Sure.

[@Jason-im3pz]

Exactly!! I was left get a tattoo when I was 15, ten years later and I hate the sight of it. It's easily hidden but I still wonder what I was thinking when I see it. I can't imagine what it's going be like in a few years when some of these people wake up on morning and regret their decisions. Before anyone says I have a problem with people transitioning, I dont. You do you, doesn't bother me what an adult does with themselves but leaving children transition is just fucked.

[@Jason-im3pz]

@@UsernameVincent it's a Celtic cross with my mother and father's name across it's not the tattoo itself I regret, I just went to a guy that done tattoos from his kitchen and it turned out horrible 😂

[@mamamarianovits9029]

A sad state indeed Magicman

[@joelosminski4525]

Well said bro... there are far too many contemporary mindsets that are pure garbage! Stay safe and God bless

[@berdooli3326]

It’s so fucked up and you’ve emphasized that beautifully!!

[@My_Garmonbozia]

I was becoming very asexual around this time in school and developed anorexia instead. Turns out it was just trauma. I have seen a LOT of girls come out as trans or nonbinary because they have experienced trauma or because they didn't fit in. Thanks so much for covering this.

[@bablumalla5190]

True

[@Sageboy13]

Exactly, it’s like the new goth-hippie rejection of norms

[@ilqar887]

That was trauma?

[@pablodmdp]

Hi mago, u mind i ask u what year this was?

[@My_Garmonbozia]

@@pablodmdp I was about 16

[@juanc.9735]

Hats off to this lady for having the ovaries to take on this subject in a world where u get crucified for merely bringing up the question if perhaps people should think about it twice b4 doing such irreversible procedures.

[@stevecarter8810]

"having the ovaries" 😂. she has ovaries of steel for sure

[@collinblatchford]

I think we need to adopt this for sure

[@Prior2Popular]

“Having the ovaries” LOL IM SO USING THIS 💪🏼💪🏼👌🏼

[@kelseykciuk7809]

Love this comment

[@jdnkinz3226]

I went through this exact thing when I was 12-14 I thought I was supposed to be a guy. I changed my name and went through quite a bit to make myself more masculine. Later on I realized that wasn't me. I also struggled with anxiety and self harm and I never fit. I think she is completely right, we should not let a child decide to permanently change themselves to someone they may not want to be in a few years.

[@jjones9822]

She’s 100% right. It shouldn’t even be a question.

[@Austin-ub2gi]

"I didn't become a doctor to destroy someone's biological function" 💀💀

[@thennesearight7141]

Many OBGYNs perform tubal ligations on 20ish women who have never had children. They don't require you to justify yourself. They impress that this is a permanent action and you are responsible for your decision. Shrug.

[@celenevaldez1579]

@@thennesearight7141 Tubal ligation is permanent birth control. But it doesn't mean there's no chance for pregnancy. "It may be reversed in 50% to 80% of women"

[@rjlondon5801]

I have 5 brothers and was a tomboy. I'm a tomboy now. I suffered mental health/eating disorder, top of the class- sometimes envy men still but that doesnt make me trans lol. I soon realised that it stemmed from how my mum treated my brothers compared to me and how I got treated by men 🤷🏾‍♀️ Im now a mother to 3 kids and am so glad I didnt convince myself I was actually a male. However I do enjoy being a tomboy and having sons is a great, they get to have a mum who enjoys going on scooter rides ect with them! 😅

[@jackji49]

Finally I always knew nobody born gays👍👍👍👍👍

[@taylorhall9509]

Absolutely same. I had an older brother and all my mom wanted was boys. She didn't like girls and I heard that all the time growing up. I was even notably treated different. In response at a young age I was an extreme tomboy and that only annoyed my mother more... and though I still am a tomboy I'm also significantly more feminine... and I continue to struggle with gender issues and sexuality, I'm almost 21. But now days I feel much more comfortable being a female. And embrace more "feminine qualities" so to speak... so to simply put it I feel more like I'm becoming comfortable in my own skin.

[@762mm7]

Good for you, more power to you 👍🏽 Wish you and your family success and happiness, and thank you for sharing, hopefully this may prevent others from making rash irreversible decisions xxx

[@unspokentruths6416]

I'm the only boy out of 7 kids, I wasn't raised with a father or male role model, I've never came close to considering myself gay or transgender. When I was in middle/highschool though I was emo as shit (tight clothes, eyeliner, took better care of my hair than my dogs), today if I was in highschool I would have been considered a gender other than male.

[@ilqar887]

You look beautiful .and I wish great health life for your children

[@trevormichael4906]

I was a very effeminate child and teen. I’m so thankful I didn’t have to grow up on this era. I love being a man.

[@Electronic424]

describe that word to me please 'effiminate'

[@universeofopulence]

@@Electronic424 ...a simple google/web search will give you all the information u need..

[@oledonkeynutzmcgee5320]

@@Electronic424 not manly

[@Wasp239]

you are, and good for you. It's not about feminity. Being feminine men and feel that you're a woman are complitely different things.

[@lyndagruen2047]

Fwiw, I'm a straight female - somewhat tomboy-ish at times. A guy seeming more "effeminate" doesn't make him less of a guy in my book. I've known two men like that. They're both straight males. Interestingly, I've known both of them to be more into reading / studying / learning / teaching others. It's been some time since I've last seen one of them, but I think they've both been foodies, too. I know one is. I've appreciated how they've both been a bit more cultured than average. I think it's cool that they felt confident enough as guys to choose the interests they have. = )

[@bwill140]

When I was a little girl, I never really liked dolls. Between the age of maybe 6 to 12, I hung out with my brother and his friends and played baseball, football, built treehouses, rode bikes, collected bugs. It was called being a tom-boy. As a woman looking back at my life, I know that I could easily have been convinced that I was trans and required meds, surgery and council instead of moving from child to teen to young lady to live as a woman, wife and mother. Thank God I was born in a different era. A whole generation has been corrupted and I don't think we'll ever get back to normal. This generation will be the tipping point in a declining culture. We will never be able to fix the indoctrination that has been quietly corrupting these poor children. This is a process that has been active for 30 years at least. Those poor brainwashed over the years are the ones that are now radicalizing and complacent in furthering the process on their own children who are trained to believe this crap in the first place. “Give me a girl at an impressionable age and she is mine for life.” ― Muriel Spark

[@moonkraab]

I related to this big time. Also a tomboy as a young girl and yes, I expect I would also have fallen into the trans scenario. Crazy world atm.

[@bbtfan7957]

@@moonkraab I can relate too. As a little kid, there weren't any other boys my age around and I mainly hung out with my sisters and their friends, and with neighbors' daughters.. I''d play dolls with them, at my sisters'slumber parties they'd play dress up with me. I started saying I was a girl, that I wanted to water dressed ect. My parents stepped in and told me the truth: I was a boy and nothing could change that. When I started school, however, I found it difficult to reality to other boys; I wasn't into sports, most of my friends were girls,ect. My confusion lasted until I was nine and saw my sisters go through PMS-amd please don't think this is sexist in any way but to this day stuff like that makes me GLAD to be a man.

[@laurene988]

I had to wait to get my tattoos until I was an adult... and a tattoo seems easier to remove than gender reassignment so why is this any different?

[@jsv438]

Excellent point! ~JSV

[@duran3d]

Not only tatoos. You cannot vote or drink alcohol until you are an adult

[@ichigoweeb]

Exactly

[@henrystrowmatt9046]

@Cath. Lamontagne lol i knew there would be one of you on here

[@Lorvina1]

the argument they give here is that they would commit suicide

[@Cbryer101]

My wife works in an eating disorder facility here and I can confirm 100% that the number of trans teens and adults into their 20's with all sorts of eating disorders is off the charts. It's shocking.

[@theshtlist2806]

oddly enough ...from gender disphoria to body disphoria

[@Cbryer101]

@@cicelydimascio1254 My wife works in this clinic. I thought I made that clear. Also, I made clear that there is a over-representation of Trans people in eating disorder clinics. These are facts. Sorry you are not able to understand what was clear.

[@GDino33]

Chris B , have you ever thought it could because half the country hates them?!

[@Cbryer101]

@@GDino33 it's far more complicated than that.

[@khem127]

It's been pushed by the trans community and the media, there is a constant narrative by the media.

[@squiddlewoddle4158]

She explains how I felt, I thought I was a boy from age 4. It never went away until I turned 17 and had a healthy friendship with another girl. I think I had no good female role models, my mother was a narcissist and my older sister bi-polar and both had scarred me emotionally. I felt boys were normal, they had a wolf pack type of relationship, they were smart, always inventing things. I hated my body too, I didn't accept myself from outside because I was traumatised from inside. I'm almost 30 now and only realised few years ago that I carried trauma with me. I feel glad that I could accept myself, it was a slow progress, I thank the people that gave me a different perspective and showed me love.

[@shiteyanyo1111]

I wouldn't be surprised if homophobia contributed to your feelings, either. This is obviously just my experience, but out of all the lesbians I know, only 1 had gone through their whole life never "questioning their gender".

[@golbinnom]

so it was just internalized sexism all along

[@thisguy4614]

It is nice to read that people have found a way to lighten this kind of burden and handle it with patience to carry on in order to resolve the issues. I hope it continues getting better for you. We are all human; men and women both have good sides and bad sides switching sexes wouldn't change that.

[@brandocalrissian3294]

As a 33 year old male, I didn't truly know myself until I was 28. Life experience means so much when it comes to big decisions. I hate how people think just because someone is 18 they're ok to make any adult decision except from buying tobacco and alcohol. This country lost it's way.

[@Kryptiq333]

Absolutely. I won't even get a tattoo cause I change so much so often and I'm 36 and still finding myself but yeah these 13 year olds have it all figured out. It's crazy teenagers can't even fathom future consequences

[@cheapskateaquatics7103]

I remember when all the trans stuff blew up in 2015 and everybody was saying it wasn't a fad. Yet every teen who had zero personality decided they were trans all of a sudden.

[@SpongeBath_ShitPants]

Yep, vapid people tend to latch onto disorders to make themselves seem more interesting. That's why everybody and their dog seems to be afflicted with ADHD and gluten intolerance these days.

[@AnonymousHedge]

@@SpongeBath_ShitPants Yes! As someone with ADHD, it pissed me off that every “problem kid” was suddenly getting labeled with it and making my diagnosis meaningless

[@MyName-bi4pt]

Yeah, remember the EMO stage. Same shit man.

[@SirBlackReeds]

Not to mention the crap that's been going on with KZbinrs (ex. PhilosophyTube and Jim Sterling).

[@rohittiwari8760]

@@SirBlackReeds what happened with them??

[@rickDArula]

I remember those girls when I was young who hung out with the boys and was just as rugged and strong and liked the things boys liked. They called them tomboys.

[@Spoiled_Rat]

I was a tomboy, but I hated that word with such a passion. It felt so dismissive. Especially when people started to imply all tomboys are only doing it for male attention. Like no... these are my best friends, these are my hobbies. Idk, it hurt.

[@ShaunHensley]

Spoiled Rat yep, you sound like a chick

[@satan1189]

@@ShaunHensley lmao

[@Wasp239]

so what? It's complitely different things. I too was strong and all (though, never a tomboy, always with long hair), and I still have a dysphoria.

[@satan1189]

@@Wasp239 shut up

[@florafaunafungi]

I really appreciate this being talked about because I was one of those girls in my teen years. And when she started listing off all these traits that these girls tend to have, it was like she described me to a tee. I feel so humiliated when I look at my past and remember how I used to identify as male. I'm just really happy that some attention is being brought to this. It most definitely is a phase for a lot of girls.

[@lucianas661]

it’s easier said than done, but i don’t think there’s any reason for you to be humiliated. at the time you identified as male for a reason, you obviously believed it.. now it’s not longer your reality. your past is your past, you eventually figured things out and got to where you are now which is all that matters. it’s a good thing that you can now recognise it was merely a phase for you

[@williammullens63]

Thank god you stayed yourself. You are stunning

[@ohara.]

@Tech In One Minute legend :D

[@Blooodhail]

I can identify a ton of issues I had in hindsight that lead me to believe I was a boy inside. It’s really messed up. But it does bring me comfort to know that other girls share the same experience.

[@Wasp239]

you're were just confused, for you it was a phase, don't generelise and put your own experience on all the others.

[@Piratequeen010156]

I was born in 2000, and I am so glad to have had a somewhat normal schooling experience. K-12 was what you'd expect any public schooling to be like. You have the popular kids, the troubled kids, the sporty kids, the shy kids, the smarties and the outcasts/weird kids that just didn't fit in. But you know... most of these kids, no matter the clique they were in... grew up and found themselves/a life/a family. There was no pronouns, no teachers trying to just advocate their political gender beliefs, etc. I've come to recognize that all these teenagers on TikTok and social media... you can tell they don't fit in at school and that this whole "identity/pronouns" thing is a way to cover up the real issues underneath. Most highschoolers don't know who they are or what they really want to do in life, yet people think it's okay to let them make permanent changes to their gender? A person doesn't figure themselves out, I don't think, until their 20's or later. I am 22 and am just coming around to understanding the things I want in life. Instead of coping with their emotions, seeking or receiving help from their families... these kids who don't quite understand the deeper issue around things are putting on make up and referring to themselves as "demon/demonself, pixy, pixyself, etc." How does one grow and join the workforce with demon makeup on and identifying like that? Oh, right... the world has chose to warp around these crazy ideologies and accept everyone. When will the line be drawn? When someone identifies as "murderer/murderself"?

[@jasonhaiflich8967]

Bro some ppl really have such a hard with themselves. They can’t live their own self to such a degree that they want to change so bad. It’s absolutely awful. I’m 18 male, and dealt with really bad social anxiety throughout highschool, and I was the really quiet kid. I kinda know the feeling.

[@jasonhaiflich8967]

And not everyone has a good family. Not everyone lives in a small town right and good ideals like I do, and you either. Unfortunately some children have sick minded pediatricians who are prescribing children this bad shit. The world can be awful

[@jaydubs6354]

@@jasonhaiflich8967 boo fuckin hoo lol

[@patrickmanway290]

Unfortunatley, things will get worse before they get better! Buckle up!

[@alex_capone]

My brother has dealt with Asperger's syndrome since a very young age. When he was in early high school he spent a lot of time on Tumblr and started to believe that he was transgendered. Not one thing before being exposed to that ludicrous idea would have pointed to such an explanation. He realizes the silliness of it now but it was a hellish time for him back then. Kids are so malleable because they are trying to find their name tag, their identity. Don't give it to them, let them find it.

[@Alieh86]

Tumblr used to be fun and games 10+ years ago. Now it’s straight up Dante’s Inferno.

[@kadd4415]

I'm not 100% sure but I believe the revolutionist acronym on gender minority is now LGBTQIA. Last letters recently added for "Inquiring" and "Asexual" or "Androgynous." What bothers me is that any autistic person who may typically feel androgynous then becomes represented by this minority revolution. Maybe it was done on purpose to include a bigger but possibly unwilling demographic to increase LGBTQIA statistics.

[@jasonhaiflich8967]

@@Alieh86 I’ve never used it thank god

[@contactgeneralemailforpubl3478]

Exactly! That’s why this needs to not be injected into school life. When you are an adult then you decide.

[@j.onewhomills]

As a girl who experienced sexual abuse and had trouble reconciling with that emotional pain and the fear of becoming a woman, I identified as transgender because I thought that I would be too strong to hurt as a man. Of course, that was ridiculous, and I ended up trying to kill myself about a year into that. When I finally made good friends, I came out of it, and I'm now contented with my life as a young woman. The most disturbing part to me, however, is that so many friends who are my age have that exact same story, and that there are so many confused kids that have gone through this but have not been able to come out the other side.

[@Spoiled_Rat]

thanks for sharing this, it really emotionally resonated with me and some of my experiences. makes me feel less alone even though i still struggle with gender sometimes despite being 25 now. i still am taking the time to decide what's right for me, but i have close friends now as well as a loving partner who always supports me in my decisions. I love the transgender community dearly, but talking the time to make the right choice is a necessity with any permanent decision.

[@j.onewhomills]

@@Spoiled_Rat best of luck 🌚🌚🌚

[@crumblyduckling403]

Yours is one of the best comments. It helps us older folk understand what you went through but it also proves how right we are to say that 'transgenderism' is dangerous. We get "OK boomer/ transphobe/ re-educate yourself" hurled at us by people who've had far less life-experience than we have. We get told 'transgenderism' has always been around, but only because your generation is too young to remember the 'before' time! If it isn't a new and nonsensical invention, that word and all the related ones would be in printed dictionaries, but I have yet to find such words even in the largest late 20th century dictionaries. I'm guessing I'm about 40 years older than you, and no-one ever questioned the sex we were born into in my young days, but we had the same hang-ups about fitting in, and about what we looked like - we were all young once! The same struggles, abuses and traumas have been around for as long as there have been humans; if only more of these girls would talk to older people, they might be surprised at how sympathetic we are and how much we have in common. The only difference is that we didn't have the magic 'sex-change' wand waved at us, for which I am grateful. Perhaps you could get your friends to ask parents/ grandparents what it was like when they were young. I am sorry you were abused but feel the current system is letting girls down badly by not providing enough opportunity for them to talk it through with people they can trust. I'm glad you've come to accept yourself and shown yourself to be a caring person with the wisdom to acknowledge the truth, and wish you the very best for the future.

[@j.onewhomills]

@@crumblyduckling403 thank you for your kind and thoughtful words. You speak a lot of truth. I can only hope that people take more advice from people like us and that culture shifts away from these ideas about transgenderism that are really hurting a lot of impressionable young people right now.

[@Wasp239]

Sorry to hear about your trauma. I never was abused, and I still have a dysphoria. It's not about that. Don't generelise and put your experience on others.

[@rexbanner4831]

So many irresponsible parents out there today. It’s straight down the line child abuse. If you don’t protect your children who will?

[@gabbyquinneros4351]

There are literally a shit ton of leftist/liberals who will debate anyone who believes this transphobic shit. I dare anyone who doubts "trans ideology" to hit up Vaush on discord or twitch for a debate. He's always down to debate transphobic people and utterly annihilate their incorrect, misguided and bigoted views.

[@grubbybum3614]

@@gabbyquinneros4351 don't even say that guy's name. He's the biggest clout chaser on KZbin. Literally makes videos about people, in the hopes they'll react back to him. I doubt he even believes most of the shit he talks about.

[@paulw5039]

​@@gabbyquinneros4351 The sad thing is you have no idea how cult-like you sound. You literally sound like a fundamentalist Christian ranting how a preacher you know always "annihilates" pro-evolution arguments.

[@robertc6701]

Hohahah wait for when these todays kids grow up and become parents

[@gabbyquinneros4351]

@@paulw5039 the fundamental difference being a real intellectual ass spanking rooted in arguments with factual basis in academic and scientific reality versus the miilktoast, cringey boomer version of "destroying/annihilating" that generally uses religious cultlike ideological arguments not based in any provable fact, just beliefs and feelings. Explain to me how you conflate the two.

[@cindyturton8203]

I think as well that we underestimate the effects of porn on young girls that are probably terrified of what they think is expected of women sexually, and also being confused with their own sexuality because of it. So changing into a boy may seem more logical to them than the reality.

[@9395gb]

Why aren't parents restricting their internet access and blocking it and social media on their phones and computers?

[@carlcarlson5553]

@kuukivi I highly doubt porn is much of a cause for the trans problem, it most certainly badly affects young women but I doubt it affects this issue that much. If it did SO MANY more guys would be becoming trans considering how much more mentally damaging porn is for men and the fact that they have a much problem with loneliness and feeling unwanted.

[@Bec_loves_Jesus]

Lots of teenage girls hate their bodies during puberty. This is just another way of expressing it.

[@kylerpointerify]

By permanently changing it? Once they grow out of this phase what happens? Depression takes over, and you know the rest.

[@Bec_loves_Jesus]

Anorexia and Bulimia are very extreme too, sometimes causing death

[@Yupppi]

And not only girls I think, majority of the teenagers go over massive changes in their body and mind so no wonder they feel alienated from themselves, it's hard to keep up with your body changing and mental development as well, you start thinking all new thoughts that are unfamiliar as well.

[@armorsmith43]

I’m pretty sure most straight women think that men’s bodies are beautiful.

[@vilyda]

@catgirl gf because they see thier body as "too big" or "too masculine" for a girl.

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

It's either 1: there were always a large amount of trans people but society repressed them into not leading their lives the way they wanted OR 2: cultural influence played its roll and this whole thing is just a trend

[@Dooger414]

#2. And they get rewarded with special treatment if they do it, positive reinforcement. You get to be "different" and "special" and in the egotistical world of a child... they will eat it like crack.

[@FRDOMFGTHR]

I think we can all logically see it’s the latter.

[@wherethewatermeetstheshade]

At the expense of the kids

[@leazzel7]

Definitely #2 plus they have social media to completely reinforce their thought process

[@hymedude7378]

Or the amount of hormones in our food now pushes people closer to that line.......

[@desa415]

I give credit to this woman having the courage to speak the facts about this issue.

[@desa415]

@@BiskyKreuger829 This should not be allowed for children at all. But it should be allowed for adults, for the sake of freedom.

[@nonyabidnazz7487]

she's stated ZERO facts.. only lame opinions

[@desa415]

@@nonyabidnazz7487 I don't think so. She took about 2 years researching and writing this book. She interviewed people on all sides of the issue. Like people in the medical field, education, law, and trans people and their families. The author is not against being trans. She just believes it has become a fad, even a craze or obsession. And this craze affects mostly middle class, young, white girls with emotional problems; looking for an easy answer. Unfortunately, they choose (often against their parents' wishes), an option that is not right for them. And this option will cause irreversible harm to their bodies, lives, and futures.

[@ohwellwhateverr]

@@nonyabidnazz7487 Based on what evidence?

[@thegoblinking.]

Yes "facts"

[@royal5922]

I see so many people on twitter with "14, trans, any pronouns" and i just know how easily influenced and mentally unstable/ vulnerable i was at that age (e.g. doing drugs/ drinking underage cause my friends were doing it) and i just wonder what damage this would do mentally to me if i fell into this "trend"

[@espada0687]

Oh gosh. As someone who's in my 20s and has had gender dysphoria my whole life, I can say without doubt that transitioning will not help me. This is my own experience, and I am 100% in support of adults doing this but not children. If it works for you and you are of age then you have every right to do it. But it doesn't cure and help everyone and more people need to put that into consideration. Good for you for writing this book. I'm glad more people are putting this into light.

[@FruityHachi]

would you be willing to explain why transitioning will not help? so that i know what to say to those saying it will, it’s good to know the perspective of someone who has gender dysphoria

[@espada0687]

@@FruityHachi For me personally, transitioning into a man wouldn't help because deep down I know that I would still not be a man. For me, it would feel like I'm being something that I'm not, which hurts just as much, if not more, than the gender dysphoria. I am not a man. I know I will never truly be a man. That's why I think the suicide rate in trans people after transitioning is still high. The best thing I can do is try to be comfortable in my own skin and love myself the way I am. I can never be the man I want to be but I'm trying to be the best woman I can be. I think it's very important for people who have this same problem to get therapy and learn self-love before considering transitioning. Thank you for asking, I hope I was able to explain myself clearly.

[@FruityHachi]

C Tski thank you for sharing i completely agree with you that self-love, learning how to love your body is the key people hate their bodies for various reasons and it’s despicable that people are brainwashed into thinking that drugs and surgeries will solve their self-hate although i don’t have gender dysphoria but i have small boobs and thick thighs and it took me years to love my body the way it is, young women are getting boob jobs not knowing what they’re getting themselves into, all because beauty standards are shoved into our throats instead of self-love the only ones who it helps are pharmaceutical and beauty companies

[@Tecolote41]

C Tski And a lot of the time when trans people do transition they are depressed still or become even more suicidal. I would’t wish that predicament on anyone. I’d also like to think that trans people aren’t accepted as much as they could be because some people don’t want their language controlled and told what to say and not to say. At least for me...

[@emmagrace6396]

@@espada0687 don't give up. You'll get to a better place where you'll truly feel content in your female body. Our bodies are precious things, and we are meant to love them and care for ourselves.

[@jackiebiggs7071]

Middle class children and young adults have been trained out of the ability to deal with conflict.

[@carolynagarcia1428]

Yes

[@TheBrianako]

We need to teach emotional literacy

[@melissadicampli]

100%

[@marklewen9384]

A large part if that is due to lack of fathers in the child lives,or at the very least,the watering down of the masculinity of males in their lives.

[@jackiebiggs7071]

@@marklewen9384 there is an element of truth in what you say however I think the issue is more complex than your statement.

[@mazsroy9]

It is so heartbreaking. As a Psychotherapist for over 33 years I can attest to the fact that this is happening. I’m so glad Shrier is addressing this. These lost girls need support and protection.

[@ElectroMotoko]

And who's going to pay you're extortionate prices for help.

[@jasonwillett2126]

Mary- Ann, It is absolutely heartbreaking. I'm a clinician at one of the most prestigious psych research hospitals in the world. There has been a max exodus of therapists in the US and UK because of this subject. People are VERY afraid to go against this ideology

[@GDino33]

@@jasonwillett2126 What ideology?

[@GDino33]

yeah because the 1950s was a much better time to live smh

[@lilrosebush]

What about the men?

[@marci.yoga.teacher]

This made me cry. Great clip. I feel so sad for all the teenagers trying to desperately define themselves and eventually realising they are failing and committing suicides... I am 42 but when I was a teenage girl I found life incredibly difficult and I wanted to die. I felt like I don’t belong here to this world, this family, this century, this body. Everything was too much and too wrong. Looking at it from the perspective of a few decades I believe the teenage years are incredibly difficult for some and all the hormones fluctuating up and down really ‘help’ young people to do whatever (often wrong choices), in order to somehow define themselves. I felt lost, I was searching for myself. I think that’s what most teenagers do when they are forming their real adult self. As the body is changing the mind has to change and often the mind is still undeveloped and left behind. (I am glad my insecurities were highlighted by magazines and movies only and not by all the social media mess). I wouldn’t make it as a teenager now. The depth of being is lost and the superficially is deforming us all.

[@nshorus5001]

20 years ago this issue of 'defining' was very rare, this is nonsense is part of the NWO agenda

[@nolitetebastardescarborund9761]

I'm probably much older than you & lived far out of reach in a family not influenced even by magazines & movies. My insecurities were only because of my love for women, which was an absolute no-no in the McCarthy days (see Sumner Wells). My fleeting thought/feeling of being a man in a woman's body came only in my hormone-ridden late adolescence, when I physically desired a friend & was mad over it. I removed myself from the situation & only allowed myself to live my desires about ten years later. No regrets. I agree with you: social media is a mess. Plus the transsexual empire (see Janice Raymond).

[@isabellarobinson6082]

You know, maybe these kids are suicidal because they're family and friends can't be decent people and respect their decision but instead gaslight or cut ties with them.

[@ChoeRage]

empire? 😀@@nolitetebastardescarborund9761

[@lloydkennedy8023]

One of the reasons these gender transition procedures are so easy to acquire I think (and I am not a very intelligent person) relates to one of the biggest problems of the US medical system. It is not about fixing health problems quickly and efficiently; it is about establishing a consumer a base and selling as much product to that base as possible.

[@shuou2794]

They are not easy to get.

[@emrysmagickcraft2413]

Very true statement! A gender reassigned person is a life long consumer of hormones, etc.

[@tedkaczynski3748]

@@shuou2794 literally you just walk into planned Parenthood and ask.

[@shuou2794]

@@tedkaczynski3748 ??

[@tedkaczynski3748]

@@shuou2794 read your previous comment. This is why people with anime profile pics aren't taken seriously 😂

[@andrewwynne6155]

I just don’t understand why people can’t talk about these issues without feeling offended. Their are to many YES men and women in the word.

[@kevin084life]

*World. But yeah you are fucking right.

[@BentleySkywalker]

There *

[@andrewwynne6155]

Yeah, I have bad grammar

[@Kube_Dog]

@@andrewwynne6155 Have you tried transitioning into an educated person.

[@andrewwynne6155]

Kube Dog no but I’m working on it. Have a good day

[@hayleymarse2853]

When I was about 13 I found about the trans movement. I come from a very conservative family thankfully. At that age I was already extremely uncomfortable with my body and hated my chest so as I got older I figured “hey, I’m probably trans but my family will hate me so I can’t come out.” Once I got to be about 17, I started to get more comfortable with my body. I still am a tomboy and wear sports bras most of the time but I’m not scared of my femininity anymore. I think it’s very normal for kids to experience discomfort in their body during puberty but now that it’s a mainstream thing to be trans, it’s getting treated differently

[@Andrew-pb6hy]

I'm uncomfortable because I'm a bit fat, but I don't think liposuction is a good solution. There are about 1,000,000 better solutions than surgery and hormones.

[@nintendo9231889]

Yeah it's called growing up

[@junehodsdon8037]

In our country you can't transition until you're an adult. You also have to undergo therapy etc. It's a stepped process. I have never met a parent pushing a child to transition. Most parents understand the difficulty for their child attempting this. Frankly I think gender reassignment should be left for adults only. The person should be allowed to live and identify with whatever gender they relate to. I wouldn't presume to insist a person live their lives according to societal demands.

[@mx.pixiedowner4593]

Saying thankfully in the context of coming from a conservative family just shows your lack of compassion and intelligence.

[@hayleymarse2853]

@@mx.pixiedowner4593 how so? I’m very grateful that my family, while not homophobic or transphobic wasn’t a family who would have let me get on hormones quickly. I ended up not being transgender but if I was was from a different family, I might have ended up getting treated as transgender and I might not have realized until it was too late. I am aware that not everyone who is transgender has a loving family and I am very compassionate towards them however I am very happy that my family is more conservative because it saved me from doing harm to my body. Yes, it’s important to recognize that some people do not get the support they need, but it’s also important to not invalidate people who experience it the other way too. I am not ignorant about the struggles many trans people face but I am also not naive about the people who end up detransitioning. You have not lived my life. You do not get to tell me that my experience with realizing that I am just a more masculine woman and not transgender is somehow not acceptable.

[@jt9474]

I remember growing up very sweet and sensitive playing with girls toys wanting to be around and to be one of the girls. Growing into my teenage years this grew into cross dressing, concealing masculinity, finding Internet forums for transgender people. Years later I am so thankful to God that I have found my identity as a man. I still have gender dysphoria and often feel orientated in a feminine direction but I know I was made to be a man and feel grateful that I found that!

[@idiothoved]

Keep fighting brother. You can beat the indoctrination. You are your own person! Speaking from experience, you should try to get into weight lifting :) Working on myself and my body helped me get out of the victimization loop.

[@grifithsolos9308]

Your PERSONAL experience doesn't apply to the others transgender girls. U can't generalize

[@jasonhaiflich8967]

I had a boy in my class who always hung out with the girls and played with Barbie’s as a kid. His dad was a stay home father and his mom went to work. I’m very glad you are a lot better now! Highschool and the young teen years can be VERY difficult. It was for me

[@chopstyx141]

@@idiothoved lol weightlifting oftentimes turn into another body dysmorphia 😂😂 but I agree

[@isabellarobinson6082]

I'm glad you've found a comfortable place in your identity. I struggled with my own for a while, unsure if I was trans or nonbinary or just a girl, eventually figuring out that I identify most strongly as a demi-girl, that moment of finally figuring it out was one of the biggest catharsis of my life. Stay safe out their comrade. 😄

[@killingseason777]

I’m a young middle school teacher, and I actually am experiencing this first hand

[@donnasimmons2018]

And as a teacher do we just go with what the child wants and not include the parent in any discussion on the matter? Because this is currently happening..

[@lrose1046]

God bless you because I just see it and it drives me nuts!

[@anon556]

@@donnasimmons2018 you need to be 21 to smoke in this country. You need to be 21 to drink in the country. You need to be 18 to vote in this country. You need to be 18 to give medical consent in this country. Why should you be able to make a life altering and possibly life destroying decision at the age of a elementary or middle schooler ? And all without your parents even having any say or even knowledge, how is that acceptable ? Should we just allow children to drink alcohol because they identify as an adult ? Should we prescribe pain killers to an eight year old because the 8 year old says "it's okay I'm old enough to handle it" ?

[@LordSesshomaru86]

@@donnasimmons2018 I don't see how the parents wouldn't be included. They have the right to know and should be told what's going on with their kid

[@warofnoise5394]

and you'll get fired for anything wont you

[@spinflux]

“If the shoe doesn’t fit, must we change the foot?” - Gloria Steinem

[@josiahcruz9678]

@@beat1riz and all feet are the exact same size. We've been oppressed by the old straight white man into thinking otherwise.

[@shiteyanyo1111]

God, I knew I loved that woman

[@janetcampbell9286]

That's not even logical!

[@beat1riz]

@@josiahcruz9678 Big foot left the chat.

[@livefreedom1776]

If the glove don’t fit you must acquit

[@DK-bl1en]

The crazy thing is how easy it apparently is to get testosterone in these cases but how difficult it is for men with low testosterone to get testosterone.

[@nostalgicbliss5547]

Makes you think.

[@xEMOANHATARON]

I think about these things all the time. I think between that and peni* enlargement, society isn’t as concerned with or doesn’t want more confident, strong men. It’s seen as a threat to peace, I think.

[@neivo1714]

Supplementary testosterone can be devastating to your fertility as a man. It's best to try to boost your production naturally first by improving fitness and diet.

[@shuou2794]

its no easy to get T at all lol.

[@tomeryaha6151]

@@shuou2794 Vitamin D supplement may help for people with low testosterone

[@ohjesswhatamess]

I was labeled a tomboy and hated how women were looked at, the pressure to wear makeup and dress a certain way along with the disrespect and danger that comes with being a female. I’m so glad I didn’t have the internet as it is today as that combined with depression and anxiety caused by undiagnosed ADHD would have definitely lead to me transitioning to a man before I learned radical self acceptance and how to love my body. It took a lot of turmoil, effort and breaking a leg to get there but I genuinely believe it was worth it. I’d have been one of the girls who transitioned and then realised there were underlying mental disorders I hadn’t addressed and likely regretted the decision. That’s definitely not to say this is the case with other trans adults. I just think if we got rid of gender stereotypes and took care of mental health, everyone would be better off. Thanks Joe for addressing this almost off limits topic. Open discussions should be allowed on all topics under the sun.

[@Spectactical1]

We met a non binary ten year old girl, and it was a genuinely scary experience. It is a learned behavior. She learned it from her mom's friend... She will sadly get a wake up call come puberty.

[@joeydimeo2265]

That’s the parents fault and is so messed up

[@tiwiadoni5894]

A cousin and I grew up in the same house with our grandparents. She was what we called a tomboy she hated everything feminine. Would wear jeans, t-shirts and sneakers only. She would even slouch a lot to hide her breast. My cousin is now in her 30s and one of the most girly girls. Sometime in her 20s she made a complete 180. She's the one that does our hair and makeup for special occasions. Her closet is the bomb I'm always going through it borrowing her clothes. We would look back at teenage pics and laugh together and she would say Lord what was I thinking in those days. I'm scared today for young women because many of us have that weird awkward phase growing up as we try to figure out who we are. Hormones and body mutilation is not the answer. What we these girls need is time.

[@Alieh86]

I was totally that kid and then puberty hit and I started getting into clothes and boys. I’m still a tomboy in some ways, but I never once that I was a boy because I liked sports and didn’t like dolls very much

[@cayr3527]

Loved the last sentence, well said

[@honestyisthebestpolicy8566]

And life experience

[@hazelold2882]

When someone says they don’t feel like a girl or boy, I’ve always wondered what they mean. How is a girl or boy supposed to feel? If you’re one gender, how do you know what the other gender feels like? Is it that they just don’t fit the stereotype of their own gender?

[@GetYaWhat]

Same. I've never been able to wrap my head around the concept. Even if I was a boy, I wouldn't feel any different from being a girl?

[@lisacox3750]

I don't know either. I don't think people know what they are talking about.

[@diana_prince_1]

I agree. They have nothing to base their comparison on anyway.

I think it has more to do with repulsion of oneself.

[@Andrew-pb6hy]

They are actually enforcing gender stereotypes.

[@scionofdorn9101]

Transitioning isn’t TREATING a mental illness, it’s enabling and encouraging it.

[@cancelanime1507]

When Amazon censors you’re book then you know you’re doing something right..

[@wherethewatermeetstheshade]

Wow

[@siriusleigh24]

Censoring books always works out well...

[@Varlwyll]

Pretty sure I saw her book on amazon like 2 hours ago.

[@wherethewatermeetstheshade]

@@siriusleigh24 get paper books. They will have to take it from me

[@Kube_Dog]

Your.

[@mrjuice1669]

I wanted to be a vampire when I was in junior high...

[@7Jstamper]

@Purple Mudkipz Not really irrelevant at all. He pointing out the dumb ideas and things we think when we are kids. It’s actually a pretty great analogy. Also OP, I read to many Anne Rice novels freshman year too! Lol. Glad that phase ended quickly.

[@emilytermini3828]

Same

[@762mm7]

So did keifer Sutherland

[@marklewen9384]

ive been trying (sleeping all day,partying all night) to be a vampire for years.

[@762mm7]

@@marklewen9384 stellar effort 👌

[@akashdeepkar1547]

Sometimes "it's just a phase" is actually accurate. SOMETIMES.

[@hs2874]

This. Teenagers can make a lot of decisions they’d regret later, but undergoing mastectomy or hysterectomy - or becoming dependant on hormone pills/injections for the rest of your life - is more extreme than anything.

[@savioblanc]

Most. MOST of the time

[@billgreenly5522]

Most of the time

[@beat1riz]

Yes, wait until they're 21 then they decide what to do.

[@hs2874]

@@beat1riz I've done so much silly stuff at 21 too tbh. Thankfully I didn't have my breasts surgically removed. I think it's rather insane at most ages, to undergo medically unnecessary, barbaric procedures.

[@andreapellissier4797]

My friend daughter is about to start testosterone next week. 15 years old. She's high functioning autistic and has anxiety and depression. Went to one doctor's appt and one counseling session and they approved. I asked her mom to research and take her time deciding, but it's all in the works. Her daughter talks excitedly about a double mastectomy... my mom had one from aggressive breast cancer and it pisses me off that this is so lightly trapped about, like a new tattoo or something!

[@patrickmanway290]

Get ready for mass lawsuits! This ain't gonna be pretty!!

[@patrickmanway290]

These doctors are literally mutilating children!! A double mastectomy is the definition of mutilation!

[@bigb853]

If you cannot order a beer, sign a mortgage, get married, etc/ You cannot change your body in such a dramatic way.

[@radubancescu9557]

Cant even get a tattoo

[@lyndagruen2047]

Should not at such a young age, anyway; but it sounds as if we've already gone a bit far with trans rights....

[@muffinstuffin6]

I can't believe it's gone this far that I actually have to say it, but..... If you still believe in Santa Clause, you don't get to make life altering decisions

[@shiteyanyo1111]

@@radubancescu9557 Even with PARENTAL CONSENT

[@thorpenator9148]

But you can go to war...wtf

[@leomccandless7357]

I've been out as trans since I was 11 years old, I'm in full agreement with her. I think many people who transition treat it as a tattoo or a piercing.

[@haziq0007]

yeah cutting and removing flesh, a tattoo indeed🤨

[@Neon-ws8er]

@@haziq0007 i dont think you understand?

[@thatonekid6677]

@@haziq0007 you really don't understand commenters point

[@philosophie8744]

Thanks for your comment.

[@Rat-mk6fk]

How tf did you even know what trans was as an 11 year old? That's straight up abuse.

[@rsktransport]

Why is this lady so controversial. She seems caring yet logical. She isn’t against trans people just against pushing children to do something that they may regret that can’t be undone.

[@isabellagarcia6782]

They don’t push kids into being trans.

[@Sebastian-cb1qf]

it's very hard to transition and in no way is anyone pushing kids to do so

[@OilFreeFeathers]

@@Sebastian-cb1qf You haven't heard of the show I Am Jazz then. They turned their children's life into a reality show by doing exactly that. This does happen.

[@Sebastian-cb1qf]

Donor of Ruffled Feathers okay I just agree in some rare cases it does and that's horrible but for most people that's not the reality

[@shuou2794]

children cnnot get top or bottem sugery only adults can I don't get it. i think its perfectly okay to let ur child wear binders or dress masc it helps them figure things out. ofc if that's what they want

[@Sloanmatthews]

This is such a problem for HS. I have worked at a HS for years and over the 5 years has gotten tremendously insane. Suicide is now considered cool. No one is just themselves, their lives have been dictated by being different and social media influenced. These kids do not think about consequences. They do not know what a consequence even is. The deterioration of the kids today’s ability to resolve conflict seems non existent. Internally or externally.

[@9395gb]

Why don't the schools along with the parents block these social media platforms and online porn on computers and these kids cell phones? When I was in school I didn't have time for all that stuff. I was too busy with school work, sports and extracurricular activities.

[@jojox1733]

"Esquire" is stupid for publishing a piece on how Joe Rogan is promoting transphobia here and spreading "dangerous language". Nothing Joe Rogan said here is wrong and we should be promoting this book way way way more. Common sense is a controversial point of view apparently.

[@Alberto-tu7dw]

It is though because he's not bringing in actual trans folk that are doctors and psychologists to talk about this. It's a very hot topic issue that requires both sides.

[@Yupppi]

You can probably summarize that in "esquire is stupid".

[@stephaniemcafee3604]

It was men’s journal

[@globalvibrations151]

@@Alberto-tu7dw you need TRANS doctors and psychologists specifically now? idepol has gone too far in the U.S. I agree he should have an actual specialist commenting on this, not this woman, but still.. demanding they be trans is very weird..

[@jamesbeckenham1469]

I saw that article on snapchat. What pissed me off was they didn't touch on what the arguement really was and just said it was hurtful and transphobic

[@badromenful]

“How many legs does a dog have if you call his tail a leg? Four. Saying that a tail is a leg doesn't make it a leg.” Abraham Lincoln

[@barbaragoode9436]

"sticking feathers up your butt doesn't make you a chicken." Tyler Durden.

[@fresherturtle1154]

@@barbaragoode9436 I can’t tell which is a better quote lmao

[@barbaragoode9436]

@@fresherturtle1154 I would say the Lincoln quote is more powerful, but mine contains the word "butt", so mine wins, lol. ;)

[@albertparish1729]

Gender isn't a physical thing, that's sex. Anyone can change gender and truly become a person of another gender from what they were prior. That's the way it's been for thousands of years. Seriously, there have been trans people across all different cultures all over the world throughout human history. And many cultures were acceptant of it. Also, it's been proven be a biological condition in certain people's brains. I think there is a big issue with it becoming somewhat of a trend in teenagers at the moment but that shouldn't confuse people into thinking the whole thing is a sham.

[@masoudsarvin6117]

Barbara Goode, 😁🙏🏽

[@Hariukin]

if gender is just a social construct, why not just embrace the new male or female with what you like instead of altering your body in a VERY dangerous way to conform tio an outdated physical gender norm?

[@Hans760]

I agree that embracing a wider conception of masculinity or femininity is a better solution if that works for someone experiencing genderdysphoria. But dismissing gender as ‘Just a social construct’ is problematic. Money is also a social construct. Yet it obviously has a profound influence on us. We do not live in a ‘post-gender’ society. Women earn less for example, they are still caretakers at home, they get less speaking time in public, they are shamed when sexually permissive (whereas men get praised). Etc. etc. etc.

[@gandalfthegrey]

Money and gender are two very different social constructs and should not be compared or conflated with one another.

[@synchronium24]

Gender roles are socially constructed, but gender identity isn't.

[@aliciacb8284747274]

Or just stop genderising everything like pink for girls and blue for boys, trucks, baby dolls etc. I've still yet to meet a trans person who said "you know I dont think I was supposed to have a penis". Its always "oh I like trucks and wearing trousers and playing rough, so I knew I was a boy".

[@Hariukin]

@@aliciacb8284747274 i can tell you from a very close experiment on legs that the basic principle of things for boys and people for girls are true.. same with bright colors and shiny things. and i can assure you i did my best to coutneract this and i even raised them in the most gender neutral area on the planet ..no go.

[@JensAWorkInProgress]

It's hard to be a parent nowadays. If you dont allow you child to transition, you're seen as a bad parent. When you support your child to do it, and the day comes that they regret it, youre also seen as a bad parent for letting that happen. Oh man.

[@manfrombritain6816]

"they cut off their families" there it is. the classic cult move (and narcissist move). separate the victim from the people who care about them and will protect them from themselves

[@moonlight9333]

Often families are toxic though

[@actualgarfield]

@@moonlight9333 source

[@sispacouet]

Some families are complicated. Mental or physical attacks and I'm not talking about an oversensitive generation of kids. You don't get to choose family and life's not fair. It's just the way it is. Either you get a good hand or you get a bad one. Unfortunately you have to try and deal with it the best you can. And crying about it is not going to fix things.

[@ChitranjanBaghiofficial]

the prefrontal cortex gets developed by age 25. that helps in long term thinking and reasoning and consequences of actions. so those who want to change their sex wait as along as you can, develop a full functioning brain.

[@ChitranjanBaghiofficial]

@kara Mel yup

[@seanrobinson4442]

People are capable of deciding what their sexual preferences are before age 25. Did you wait until 25 to decide if you were straight or gay or whatever lol?? I bet you knew well before that point

[@ChitranjanBaghiofficial]

@@seanrobinson4442 social environment played more of a role in that, if society take things a little cool then we may find people try different experiences before coming to conclusions about their sexuality and sexuality is different from sex. for us humans it's either male or female leaving super duper micro exception.

[@seanrobinson4442]

@@ChitranjanBaghiofficial I understand that sexuality is different from sex, but in your initial comment your implying that individuals aren't capable of knowing that their biological sex doesn't match their own self perception because their brain isnt fully developed yet. That's what I disagree with

[@ChitranjanBaghiofficial]

@@seanrobinson4442 they are capable of understanding about biological sex as a small child understand different things. point is it's incomplete, after 25 years your brain has reached full maturity and now it can thinking long-term, about different aspects and reason well and one move towards more complete understanding. 25 is a normal seen trend there are people who gain maturity and understanding way before and some never do.

[@annabel6038]

Wow, she is describing me at school - socially-awkward, self-harm, eating disorder and witchcraft. I'm glad this craze wasn't around then or I might have been influenced into a life-changing decision.

[@emilytermini3828]

Same dude.

[@catgod6531]

Not really though. You probably would have gone to a gender therapist if you were being responsible and the both of you would get down to the issue that you weren’t actually trans. These big decisions take a lot more steps than some people think

[@TheNickleChick]

@@catgod6531 youd think huh

[@rosamaria5785]

@Annabel - In your opinion and experience, what is what attracts young women to witchcraft?

[@rosamaria5785]

@@catgod6531 It used to be like that in the past, but not nowadays. I know of many kids af all ages (children and adolescents), that after just few sessions with a counselor or therapist, and sometimes only one (in many cases), they begin the transitioning process. Watch detranscitioning stories on KZbin, and you will very surprised... and be extremely worried.

[@TheDragon160]

This lady is a hero! I applaud her courage. Thank you.

[@maisounma2025]

You shoudlve mentioned the influencers who are trans and re transitioning back to females lol

[@Shadow77999]

Really? Jesus christ the world is so fucked up nowadays

[@Scottishfoxy777]

@@Shadow77999 detransitioners are not treated well by the trans community either. Theres loads speaking out now x

[@ThatKidFresh777]

Detransitioning isn't bad in itself, but when they start telling actual trans people that they aren't valid cause they themselves weren't trans IS a problem

[@BoostedPastime]

Never thought I would see that.

[@luciusvorenus9445]

Or the post-op suicidal rate for transgenders.

[@babysummer7207]

Listening to this makes my heart ache. I used to be one of those girls 😢 but I never fully went through with it. Everything else she said was spot on- the loneliness in school, feeling like you don't fit in. I don't know how it didn't kill me, but God do I wanna cry when I see those girls who detransitioned and have to live with the consequences.

[@Vainashell]

Honestly sharing. In my teens i felt ugly inside out. My negative self talk had a reoccurring thread... “i’m such an ugly girl, god must of made me a boy and then changed his mind last minute. I felt so ugly and unfeminine comparing myself to others. This was my teenage brain logic. Insecurities and low self-esteem warped my sense of reality to justify my toxic anxieties. One girl’s perspective.

[@Valkyriesrock]

This is a brilliant conversation. Thank you Joe for having this intelligent guest, and talking about these issues in a no nonsense way. Absolutely spot on! 👏

[@Melissathelocator]

I think the surgeons who just do the surgery with a waver just want the money, and they’re hiding behind the whole “I’m giving them what they want” line. To me, if you really cared, you would make sure they were in the proper mental state before the surgery.

[@sulimansyed2444]

Nope. They can be fired for trying to convince someone on their gender identity, well at least in New York that is the case.

[@FureviewsGaming]

If you're opposed to doctors exploiting people for money, I take it you're against private health insurance?

[@shiteyanyo1111]

@@sulimansyed2444 That's ONE state. This is an issue rampant in the entire western world. The UK just finalized it's descision that no minors can be transitioned....and the fact that this ruling had to be made and had people who disagree with it, is insane.

[@markbrown9073]

She really hits on something that I see as prevalent in society today, particularly with the younger generations. I think there is an extreme struggle with people finding meaning in their lives. This does not encompass every person, obviously, but the large movement away from religion and family leaves a gaping whole where many people might find that meaning. I think that desire for meaning is driving people to these causes, which in my eyes are mostly manufactured. I’m not going to elaborate beyond that, but think it leads to a lot of young people being misled and deceived.

[@jacquelineess1141]

Spot on, Mark.

[@jiggychingo5694]

Beta Farie I believe that’s what this push towards New-Agey spiritualism is influenced by. People want to know where their ancestors came from and they want to know ‘who’ they are/ what it means at this point in our history.

[@Iffmeister]

@Funky Faerie Music there's many studies on how religion is beneficial for the mental health and social wellbeing of individuals, reduces crime and gives people a sense of meaning.

[@Splozy]

Most atheists like Dawkins and the late Hitchens agreed that the ceremonial and tradition aspect of religion is a necessary part of our lives.

[@jackiedelvalle]

Mark, this is the most accurate comment I've seen in this thread so far. And I consider myself non-religious.

[@eries77]

This is so sad. I was a tomboy growing up and even wore boys clothes in junior high but never once considered myself a boy.

[@klaudinegarcia8932]

Same. I was a tomboy when I was young because I looked up to my big brother a lot. I loved whatever he loved.

[@bbregman2495]

Cool. Gender identity and gender expression are two different things. I'm a feminine trans guy. My femininity doesn't make me a woman anymore than your masculinity not making you a man.

[@mr.dmp_gacha3172]

K?

[@mx.pixiedowner4593]

Interesting. It's like that has nothing to do with being transgender.

[@MrSpying247]

@@bbregman2495 im so confused so your a girl who wants to be a boy but you want to be a girly boy? why?

[@honeyyeyes]

thank you abigail for being brave and courageous enough to write and try to help these girls

[@MEWOVER9000]

I like how this issue becomes mainstream ONLY AFTER teenage girls started getting hit with this bs, when teenage boys have been goaded into this for years now. edit: Not to take away from this woman's excellent work. Just making a comment about how people's sensitivities are tuned.

[@shaunenwright7872]

kelsie kelsie from schools to juvenile halls they have been forcing estrogen treatments on young men with ODD and other aggressive behaviors. Theres a lawsuit going on in LA right now, but people only start to care about anything when the girls start getting affected, let’s be honest.

[@ABC-cq5hm]

kelsie kelsie it’s called a gynocentric society

[@inspectorhector5011]

kelsie kelsie no your the one who doesn’t know anything

[@shaunenwright7872]

kelsie kelsie www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-15/teenage-boy-was-given-estrogen-developed-breast-tissue-while-in-l-a-county-juvenile-hall-lawsuit-alleges%3f_amp=true

[@shaunenwright7872]

And that’s not even mentioning the sheer number of autistics kids (overwhelmingly boys) who are pressured into this sort of hormone treatment by female teachers across the US and UK

[@livefree1030]

Simulation Theory is confirmed. We are officially living in a "South Park" episode.

[@cthulhuhasrisen1009]

Buckle up buckaroo!!!

[@usernameluis305]

Explain simulation theory

[@johne.nobody2946]

@@usernameluis305 Assuming a continued rate of technological progress (see: Moore’s law) future civilizations will eventually develop hyper-advanced simulations that far surpass the ones we have today. That said, we may be some kind of “ancestor simulation” (meaning isn’t really 2021) 2021 has come and gone and we inhabit a simulation of that period for the benefit of “our” progeny. It’s not tin-foil-hat stuff, it was first posited in a dissertation by a Harvard philosophy professor named Nick Bostrom.

[@DelmiraVesna]

This is so important to talk about! Children and teenagers should NOT be allowed to make these decisions and changes before they reach adulthood, when their hormones calm down! That's the same thing as getting tattoos or piercings when ur in rebel-teen mode! Wait till you calm down, get your life together and then if you still feel like you are in the wrong body- then do your thing!

[@eehlohluell]

As a 10-11 year old, I remember being extremely uncomfortable starting to develop breasts, to the point where at that age I thought about what it would be like to be a boy instead. If I had started puberty blockers because of how I felt at that time I wouldn't have had the time to adjust to the changes in my body and come to terms with it. The puberty process took me years to come to terms with, especially being a tomboy. Obviously, now as an adult, if I still felt uncomfortable to the point of dysphoria with my body, only now could I really think of transitioning knowing I tried living as a woman but it is just not what's right for me. Unfortunately, for those who end up actually being trans, it is essential to go through puberty and to try to adjust to the changes before making the call to transition. Otherwise, how would you know it's right if you haven't tried? You can have a gut feeling but sometimes that gut feeling can be proven wrong as strong as it is. Another problem: I've seen the way a lot of millennial aged parents talk to their kids ~3-14. Telling them they are weird, harshly criticizing a flavor of ice cream they choose, and on the other end of parents, letting their kids switch their minds back and forth more than what should be allowed to, bending at their will. With a support network like that, no wonder so many teens turn to wanting to transition either because they don't feel loved already as they are or because they never learned to understand what it means to really want something. There's a reason this has gone out of control, and that's because these issues always start at home, with families, with parents. Maybe not your family, but the dysfunctional family next door.

[@kaitlinwilson]

I’m a non-binary lesbian and have been for 15 years. I’ve never shoved my identity down anyones throats as much as I have seen trans people or those politicizing trans identities lately. I was an LGBT minor Sociology Major at UCBerkeley. Young people should not be constantly obsessing about their sexual identity. I’m almost just frustrated with the trans community because I’m so over this kinda shit. I used to work with kids and we never encouraged gender neutrality, we just encouraged kids to be who they were!

[@abraxsp5837]

Really do appreciate your opinion. It's always heartwarming seeing someone who's had experience with these communities see things from a neutral perspective. It always gives me a little more hope that things can get better, and people can come together on issues even if there's disagreement.

[@cygusan9644]

thank you

[@joshjoseph7926]

I'm sorry if this is insensitive and I don't mean to be callous but why do you call yourself non-binary? I don't understand what is wrong with the idea of being a man or woman who doesn't subscribe to stereotypical gender norms? I guess I just wonder why people identify with the term non-binary, it's perfectly normal for men and women to have varying degrees of masculinity and femininity. Again I could be misunderstanding, I apologize in advance if that is the case.

[@isabellarobinson6082]

@@joshjoseph7926 it's complicated, I've found that most non-binary people just don't feel enough of a connection to either the male or female genders to identify as them. Non-binary people generally don't think that identifying as male or female is bad overall, they personally just don't identify with either.

[@sueinraleigh3091]

I’m sorry but I don’t get what’s going on with the trans movement. This group is very entitled and narcissist. Have some people have told them along the way that it’s ok to impose the self on others? That’s what it feels like. Idgaf what people do but don’t me participate in your delusion.

[@TheGiantRobot]

I'm so glad Joe is talking about. We get so upset about the horror of female genital mutilation, which is based on a spiritual belief, then we turn around and do this to people's genitals and more, based on a spiritual belief.

[@shiteyanyo1111]

🙌🏻

[@patrickmanway290]

Exactly.

[@iandavidvillaloboswong5180]

And this one is even worse

[@starfire.oo7938]

Finally, thank God someone was brave enough to talk about this subject. Hopefully this conversation and book will help a lot of people.

[@regancambridge3413]

I actually noticed this when I was in high school. This was before trans was a thing but I hung out with the loners (kids with troubled home lives) and they were ALL bisexual. Like it was the thing to do in this friend group. Eventually They would all "come out" as bi. I at one point thought I was bi too, until I later realized I was just lonely and emotionally unfulfilled