The Official Narrative of Tate Murders Doesn't Add Up w/Tom O'Neill | Joe Rogan

[@mickeyandres2651]

And Hollywood still gives Polanski standing ovations led by Streep proving just how repugnant those hills can get.

[@mickeyandres2651]

@@splinejones4489 , You’re absolutely right I saw her defend him, it’s repugnant and very telling on her part….. Hollywood is truly a pit for the unscrupulous.

[@TheMid-KnightRider]

​@@mickeyandres2651 ... "Horror-wood" is a PIT of pure evil. However, not everyone involved in that "nasty network" is malevolent and devoid of a conscience, but, many are blackmailed into colluding and conspiring with the vile "illumine - naughties" satanic agenda.

[@Dilley_G45]

​@@splinejones4489whoopi is a very vile person

[@kathymc234]

Hollywood is disgusting.

[@R14-m4z]

Why don't any citizens grow some balls and do what needs to be done?

[@robertkees6048]

It's hard to believe that Sharon Tate would be near 80 years old today, and her unborn child would be in their fifties. A entire lifetime snuffed out.

[@annettearrow8824]

A Satanic ritual that was a psyop. The ritual was not reality.

[@HxThomison]

Oh hey but her "twin sister"

[@robertkees6048]

@@HxThomison That's called a fragment.

[@RavenWolfDrum69]

Sad sad 😢

[@sylviaross5722]

@robertkees6048 I know. I had just turned 10 in August 1969 right before it happened. It was front page news & the radio & TV reported it nonstop. It took them a while to figure out who did the murders, & when they found them, the coverage was unreal. I saw the TV movie "Helter Skelter", based on Bugliosi's book, which I read later. I remember somebody online commenting that Charles Manson killed the 60's. Pretty spot on.

[@PInk77W1]

Manson looked into Scientology and said Naw that’s nuts.

[@juankenon]

It's hilarious that his warden was happy that Manson had found something that was engaging him.

[@donwayne1357]

So did Elvis, he said they were only after his money.

[@anonanon5791]

That's funny shit.

[@anthonyangel3109]

Brendan Cronin met plenty of people like him, fortunately they’re too lazy and uncharismatic enough to not commit similar atrocities

[@jolllyroger1]

Manson scientology nexium and over the years are only some of the CIA mind control operations hunter s Thompson.... hollyweird is now a loaded weapon and propaganda tool against the people and the whole world

[@herbiehopkins]

Tom O'Neill's book : Chaos, The truth behind The Manson Murders was such an eye opener and a fascinating read, I couldn't put it down.

[@jaredtomochak4946]

I still can't believe more people don't talk about Roman Pulaski being a monster I'm glad to see these two calling him what he is

[@biskitz86913]

His name still gets a round of applause at Hollywood award ceremonies. Hollywood is a fucked up place really

[@tomasvlcek4476]

Its Polanski. How is he a monster?

[@biskitz86913]

@@tomasvlcek4476 hes wanted in the USA for the rape of an underage girl. Hes living in Poland and they wont extradite him *He's living in France, not Poland*

[@robbybee70]

when you are the liberal elite, you get your sins covered

[@robbybee70]

@@tomasvlcek4476 did you hear the part about him having his girl raped in the video we are all commenting on......seriously

[@bk2524]

Thumbs up for reminding the world Roman Polanski is a monster. Remember the list of celebrities who signed a petition for his exoneration

[@jayzr8938]

Is there list? How can we find it?

[@JaySports644]

@@LoganDrew-go8cz Fuck. How can I ever watch one of Scorsese's movie again?

[@tompetlach848]

food for thought: the girls that committed the Tate murders were actually child sex abuse victims of Polanski and his friends. if the tape of Tate's rape is real, and if the sex abuse stories Manson describes from his days in orphanages/boarding schools are real, that would indicate a motive for the Manson family much more coherent than what is officially presented

[@danishaffer6099]

Quentin Tarantino thinks Roman didn’t do anything wrong. He loves Roman. He went on the Howard K. Stern show and went into great detail about how the 14 year old girl and her mom are the ones to blame

[@jjrbarnett]

@@tompetlach848 . I had heard this before. Drug trading was involved. And some sort of sex crimes retaliation. The whole Helter Skelter thing was facade.

[@misterpurple4089]

The number of Hollywood types who simply ignore the evil of Polanski is astounding. No excuse for what The Family did to Sharon Tate and the other victims, what they had to endure was despicable.

[@KLRN-qc7jp]

What do you mean by "evil of Polanski"?

[@misterpurple4089]

@@KLRN-qc7jp As well as the mention in the clip that he forced Sharon Tate to have sex with other men while he taped it Polanski is a peadophile and cannot re-enter the USA as there is an open warrant for him having sex with a 13 year old in Jack Nicholson's Malibu mansion after he drugged her. Just look up the list of Hollywood types who signed the petition to allow him to return the States.

[@KLRN-qc7jp]

@@misterpurple4089 First of all there is no evidence of Polanski forcing Tate to do anything. Some guy tells to the other guy that he heard from a completelly different guy that there is a video tape that supposedly confirms that. That's evidence to you? You Hamburgers are crazy. All you have to do is point a finger at a man and he is finished. No evidence needed. Polanski is no pedo. He was drunk and high as crap and the mother of the girl dressed her up and sent to Polanski's house. She wanted this to happen. The girl herself, as an adult woman even said that she forgave him and asked everybody to leave him alone. There were no further accounts of him ever having these kind of sexual relations in the future. Polanski might be perverse. But evil? Monster? Only in a nation where misandry is as natural as breathing could someone come up with such stupid idea. Polanski went through living hell in his life. He really loved Sharon Tate. Her death broke him and he is carrying that scar in his heart until today. Spitting on this man's suffering like that is just disgusting and inhuman.

[@misterpurple4089]

@@KLRN-qc7jp Calling bullshit on that, she was 13 and if he couldn't control himself because he was drunk then he is even more of a monster. If she forgave him as you suggest then I am at a loss as to why she sued him. Obvious you didn't watch the full interview or perhaps you believe he is a Saint just like Harvey Weinstein did. Funny how a serial rapist signs the petition for a child molester to be allowed back into the country.

[@KLRN-qc7jp]

@@MagnumTriumph Well in that case I guess that you shoud stay away from kids and get into somekind of therapy.

[@martinishot]

I remember about 12 years ago Tex Watson ,wanting to get out of prison, made an offer to the county of Los Angeles telling them that he could lead authorities to all the other victims killed by the Manson family. A number of the original detectives on the case were still living and I remember the local Los Angeles stations interviewing them and every one of them agreed on one thing. Even if they did not agree about the offer from Tex Watson they agreed with what he said about many additional murders. They all agreed it's just a tip of the iceberg what we associate with the family as far as who they killed. They all agreed it's dozens of other people that they killed as well there's no doubt in their minds. Representatives of the DA's office said there's no way they will take his offer because they think the public will think really badly about them. But even after saying that they admitted that they know Tex Watson knows what he's talking about. If we actually had the list and backgrounds of all the people that the Manson family killed, I think it would be interesting because it might indicate that this Tom in the interview here is right. That maybe the Manson family was available for the agency to kill people that they didn't want to dirty their hands with.

[@howlinwulf]

So many people left for California as children and disappeared.

[@diegoflores9237]

Have you read Maury Terry's 'The Ultimate Evil'? This thing goes farther than manson

[@ydoicare2000]

If I could make sense of what you are saying, I’m sure it would be interesting.

[@martinishot]

@ydoicare2000 Just reading Tom O'Neill's book about the Manson Murders connection with intelligence agencies And the cia directors admissions to congressional investigation In the early 70s About various cia activities including assassination And guiding and influencing public opinion Would be a huge start. Going to rumble Searching for dark legacy 2009 Would be very enlightening also.

[@PassengersMusic777]

There are way more murders linked to the Manson Family. The owner of Spahn Ranch. The owners of stolen vehicles they had. There’s a lot more we will never know about

[@julzgulz1992]

My mother went to school with the LaBianca children. She can't even hear about the crimes it's so upsetting knowing her lovely classmates lost their parents this way. We often forget the victims of this crime and focus on the infamy and celebrity of the perpetrators. The son was just a normal, happy, popular high school student who lost his whole family and privacy. So tragic.

[@letslaughallday9544]

I absolutely hate how the perpetrators are always the focus of these crimes. The victims seems to get lost in the process except they aren’t forgotten by the people who love them. I hate our society that loves talking crime.

[@johnnycash1365]

Show her the crimescene photos

[@julzgulz1992]

@@johnnycash1365 Show yourself out! Creep.

[@fudgedogbannana]

I went to John Marshall High in the Early 70's, we were creeped out just walking or driving past the house.

[@youngjthakid]

“The Murder’s also caused Actor Iian Quarrier, who stared with Sharon Tate in The Fearless Vampire Hunter’s; to go into a Severe Depression!” Iian was living in Montreal at the time, and Slowly slipped out of the Movie Industry altogether from what I’ve gathered!

[@WIZandRoLLiN]

When authors go on JRE it’s a constant battle to give a good answer and not spoil the book they just spent years writing

[@snorfietsers4006]

I understand its tough for the author but like dude you're on one of the biggest podcasts ever, you aren't here to advertise your book. so annoying to constantly hear "i discuss this in the book..."

[@kiwione12]

@@snorfietsers4006 No, thats EXACTLY why he was there. He's there to promote the new book he spent 20 years writing, he obviously doesn't want to spoil it on the biggest podcast on the planet

[@snorfietsers4006]

@@kiwione12 lol I guarantee you Joe Rogan did not ask him to come on the show to promote his book, gtfoh

[@kiwione12]

@@snorfietsers4006 lol I guarantee you Tom O'Neill did not come on the show to spoil and not promote his book, gtfoh

[@snorfietsers4006]

@@kiwione12 I'm not saying he didn't lol??? I'm saying it's annoying that he did. Did you even read the comment you originally replied to? If you did you would realize you agree with me

[@owlowl1884]

I read Tom O'Neill's book after I first saw this interview and recommend it. Very readable and informative. Very well documented. This man dedicated his life to exposing corruptions behind the scene.

[@bonezilla8191]

What’s the name of Tom O’Neils book?

[@ragingreviews5186]

Can we get a little insight to it in your own words?

[@morganbanefort181]

@@bonezilla8191 chaos the secret history of the 60s

[@katiebug_337]

Thank you for your recommendation for the book! This will definitely going to be the next book I read.

[@lddcavalry]

Book is fantasy

[@connierenna-xf9um]

I knew it!!! I’ve sensed all of these years that there was something not kosher about what we were being told. I was a teenager when the murders occurred, and I read Helter Skelter in 1977.

[@Chrisfeb68]

Amazes me how the same people who support the Me too movement would give Roman Polanski a standing ovation. These are the same people giving speeches at the Academy Awards lecturing us.

[@prisonisinourminds8070]

They all are fake. I don’t like feminism bc I feel like it fights all the wrong things most of the time and produces more toxicity than good. I think it is fine though to appreciate Polanski for his work bc he was a great filmmaker despite being a monster but I do want to puke at all those hypocrites in Hollywood. They all just want to make money and save their own ass.

[@lolawalsh9187]

I have same thoughts. Hollywood; Babylon

[@erisdiscordia7439]

Me Too movement is the anti-jew movement, no councidence most of the real victims are jewish. That is, the people blamed. I am ANTI ME TOO and PRO ISREAL

[@joykelly440]

It's a club. Winstien was a sacrificial pig.

[@johnsmilitantbelch]

Hypocrisy is a major pillar of their ideology or religion

[@mediocreMorpheus7795]

This is easily one of the best interviews Joe's ever done. Highly underrated in my opinion.

[@ejayman]

Really good, but I couldn't listen to this guy without hearing Donald Sutherland

[@mrbeans2425]

There's at least one of these on every video lol

[@KeepaBoy6]

I say the same…only because not alot of this information is being Maintreamed.

[@tommiddlefinger6188]

I was born at almost the same time these murders were talking place (the first ones).

[@margaretkinnaman8585]

I agree. I was 18 at the time this happened and I was fascinated, I felt we only got a fraction of the facts. Guess I was right.

[@jswets5007]

When someone who has spent 20 years writing a book about a single event says "I hate to speculate", you know he means it.

[@tommiddlefinger6188]

I was born on the night of the first Manson murders, at almost the same time they were occurring. True story.

[@MrBlazingup420]

@@tommiddlefinger6188 Tate's father was military Intelligence, he worked out of a building at the top of the hill where those murders took place, go back and look at the murder scene photos and see if they look real, can you say False Flag, nobody knew Tate had a little sister until she died

[@stephenbradleyadams]

@@MrBlazingup420 stoner logic. What difference does it make about the little sister ?

[@stevescuba1978]

@@stephenbradleyadams I assume there was no sister, just a change of names?

[@stephenbradleyadams]

@@stevescuba1978 she has a sister who went to every parole hearing to make sure not of the killers were ever paroled. I’m not sure what your are implying though ?

[@stregalilith]

I was in LA when the trial was going on and paying attention although I wasn't a lawyer yet. Three things stand out to me after reading Tom O'Neill's book: 1) Vince Bugliosi was a known liar, very ambitious, and would say anything to enhance his image; 2) in thirty years as a lawyer, much of it practicing in Los Angeles, I have rarely seen anything as meticulously documented as Tom O'Neill's book, "Chaos"; 2) I was a law student extern at the ACLU a few years later and the information Tom has on COINPRO is spot on. Further, Tom's father was a well regarded member of the legal profession and helped him document his findings in an honest, ethical and professional manner. To me, Tom O'Neill's reportage is credible.

[@Durpydurp4488]

COINTELPRO Counter Intelligence Program. Not being pedantic. The correct spelling and understanding of the term are important for others to be able to research who don’t know what it is.

[@luv2travel2000]

​@@Durpydurp4488👍 Thanks

[@stregalilith]

@@Durpydurp4488 you’re right. I was in too much of a hurry late at night. Thx for the correction.

[@Durpydurp4488]

@@stregalilith it’s all good. I try to educate people about this one program all the time. Once you understand this you understand how trusting the government is never the right way.

[@texasrose2315]

​@@Durpydurp4488I knew what he meant. Not everyone feels the need to point out misspelled errors, etc.

[@utbllc4057]

Manson knew that Terry Melcher no longer lived at that house. Several months prior to the murders Manson visited that house thinking Terry Melcher still lived there and Sharon Tate was there. That is a common misconception that Manson didn't know who lived at that house

[@sb-tb1oh]

Manson didn't care who lived there

[@1953childstar]

Manson "creepy crawled" the "Doris Day" Malibu home Melcher was staying at and took a set of binoculars, then called Melcher and asked if he was "missing something"...

[@rmg3red17]

While it’s true that Manson did stop at the house while Sharon Tate was there, I don’t believe he had a clue who she was.

[@josephdockemeyer6782]

Manson selected the Tate house because he knew the floorplan. Period. He was trying to deflect the premeditation charge by stating it was a random house.

[@littleladyinlalaland1749]

well, we don't know for sure what Manson thought. He might've thought they were lying to him and that the people there were Terry's guests. Either way, he wanted to kill rich, Hollywood types. But he did have it in for Terry, so maybe he thought the renters were friends of Terry's. Charlie and his followers aren't exactly consistent or honest about their motives. Charlie never fesses up to being a pissed off, failed artist who just wanted to get back at someone who basically knew he had no musical talent.

[@Justicia007]

FBI and CIA involvement with Manson is nefarious

[@greasy8394]

You mean the fact that they created CIA and they put him under MKUltra

[@buahburke9912]

​@nin_po...And getting WORSE. FBI dispatched by Biden's handlers to capture license plates of concerned parents at PTA meetings. For future harassment! The Minority Report was predictive programming.

[@cindy7400]

M k ultra was the Manson family, They made a lot of money off this case and still do.

[@stregalilith]

@@cindy7400 can you explain this further?

[@cindy7400]

@@stregalilith Manson has been used for yrs by them they basically brought him up as a child , Boys town special operation, a chaos creator! Look into yourself!

[@sjdprime6522]

This guy is easily one of the most interesting historians if you could even call him that to watch. Makes news from when my father was born sound like it happened yesterday. Great job.

[@campbellpaul]

nah, not even close

[@astridjaye6224]

Tangent for sure but you have a point

[@tommiddlefinger6188]

THESE MURDERS HAPPENED THE NIGHT I WAS BORN. I WAS BEING BORN ALMOST AT THE SAME TIME THE MURDERS WERE HAPPENING ABOUT 100 MILES AWAY.

[@rexcannel8195]

@@campbellpaul Stay out of it Paul.

[@Mike-os8lv]

I don’t know that’s really the reason he’s good. I think he’s good because he has a great research instinct and questions narratives rather than accepting everything without verification.

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

My son read Chaos and recommended it to me. I listened to it on audio during a trip and I was enthralled!!! If you haven't read this book, you have got to.

[@LimpBizkotti]

Next try: Weird Scenes From Inside The Canyon by Dave McGowan. Similar topics.

[@JustinPogue]

It's absolutely crazy how much CHAOS blows the original story to smithereens! I appreciated how O'Neill says in the book "I don't KNOW what the real story is, I just have evidence to prove that the OFFICIAL story is false!" instead of throwing out different theories, etc. That's good journalism right there. Also, as the other commenter states, the book about Laurel Canyon is also crazy good.

[@williamfranz8313]

@@LimpBizkotti also read In" The Search for the Manchurian Candidate" by John Marks

[@benicio1967]

Thank you for the suggestion. I’ll have to look into it.

[@seedsowers1672]

Total stranger here, but I'm totally going to read all three of these now!

[@LoverOfManyArts]

This is why one should remain skeptical in cases like this, anything can potentially be covered up, fabricated, distorted. Don't trust "official" narratives at face value, think for yourself and research for yourself.

[@23_Knows_ALL]

Would you apply that to the OJ Simpson trial? There was a lot of talk that it was really a drug killing, not OJ. Then, after the "not guilty" OJ verdict, Bugliosi made a 7+ hour video after the verdict trying to convince everyone that OJ was the killer, even though there was other evidence that suggested otherwise. I never understood why Bugliosi tried so hard to convince people that OJ did it. Listening to Tim O'Neill makes me question Bugliosi even more. Brian Heiss on KZbin did a thorough analysis proving that OJ didn't do it. You can check out his channel. OJ's defense team said they had enough witnesses and evidence to prove that it was a drug killing, not OJ, but the judge, for some unexplained reason, didn't want to allow it in the courtroom. I, like many, thought that was kind of odd. Your thoughts?

[@drewlavay]

@@23_Knows_ALL the OJ situation was the biggest media lie ever.

[@drewlavay]

@@23_Knows_ALL the time-line alone proves it doesn't take a thorough examination to figure out OJ didn't do it. All that other shit Brian Heiss covered on his channel is just icing on the cake. I think there's a lot more to that story than we'll ever know. Drug killing? Probably...Lee Bailey said on a podcast shortly before his death that he had got word that the men who were responsible were subsequently murdered as well, because Nicole & Ron weren't the real targets. But saying that kind of stuff in the mainstream makes you look like a crazy person.

[@drewlavay]

@@23_Knows_ALL I've tried to figure out why the media would go so far to try and make a clearly innocent man look guilty. The only thing I can come up with is money. "OJ is Guilty" has been a billion dollar industry. Sadly, I think it's really that simple..

[@23_Knows_ALL]

@@drewlavay Yes, I agree, the media lied and continues to lie to people for money for sure. The ratings are always super high whenever anything about OJ Simpson gets air time. I think if people looked into the cops in the trial a little further, then investigated the whole department further, they'd discover a whole lot of police misconduct that might set a lot of people in prison free. This might have then made the public or what would be considered too many citizens completely distrust the whole justice system (the irony in that), and politicians or whoever had the power to make those decisions probably didn't think that all would end well. I was thinking some police tampering maybe was taking place in Bugliosi's famous Manson case, with even Bugliosi taking part of it since there are other irregularities in the Manson case too. Maybe the cops tampered and manufactured with evidence in the Manson trial at Bugliosi's request. If that's true, then it would make sense for Buglisosi to use all his might to debunk the police tampering narrative in the Simpson trial so that no one comes dangerously close to finding out him and other cops (from the same LAPD that investigated the OJ trial) tampered with evidence and possibly lied in court in order to win the Manson trial that made Bugliosi famous. Bugliosi wouldn't want that to blow up in his face and lose his "righteous" fame or his "good" name that he's spent so many years crafting. It is possible.

[@oliviabarrow9105]

After dealing personally with psychopaths and sociopaths.. I realized the less you ask “why” the better. There is never an answer and they aren’t worth the time thinking about because they are not thinking about anybody but themselves. Period

[@davem7173]

People are only labeled "psychopaths" and "sociopaths" in dumb internet comment sections. The closest real world diagnosis is anti social personality disorder.

[@jesseberdowski3148]

@@davem7173 let me guess you completed 1 semester of psychology at community college and read 2 books by Jordan Peterson?

[@nathanbrooks2581]

@@davem7173 I don't know where you got your information but its completely wrong. You have no idea what your talking about. And have no business speaking on this subject matter. Please remain silent until you can back up your absurd claims. Stop spreading misinformation.

[@nicholassmith479]

@@nathanbrooks2581 Dam! That’s cold!

[@davem7173]

@@jesseberdowski3148 Nah I work in the mental health field dumb fuck. Show me where in the DSM they have either "Sociopath" or "Psychopath" as an accepted mental health diagnosis?

[@1958RBS]

What a fascinating interview and Joe Rogan is genuinely interested and engaged. As an English person, I am baffled as to why Joe has been under such recent pressure and attacks as he is the perfect interviewer.

[@JorshWarshington1]

They're trying to destroy him because he makes them all look like idiots. Just by having genuine and respectful conversations with regular people.

[@annabellefritz3647]

@@JorshWarshington1 Amen .. precisely correct!! #GodBlessAllBeings 🙏🏼☺️✨🙏🏼♥️✨🙏🏼✨☺️🙏🏼

[@williamflowers9435]

Because Joe doesn’t support the state sponsored narratives

[@maureentrant5588]

The LEFT didn’t like that Joe was discussing alternative methods to curing COVID and had some Dr on his show disputing COVID propaganda. So they tried to “Cancel”Joe, some old musicians cancelled their music on Spotify who sponsored him.Then some obscure blak “singer” found evidence of Joe using the dreaded “N” word 😱 12 years ago!!!! But Joe prevails!!👍🏻👏🏻✊🏻

[@freedomfreedom9523]

People are scared of the truth cause they are weak

[@trog.lodyte]

Hollywood gave Polanski a standing ovation, even after he was convicted of SA on the 13 year old girl

[@Asgard-1]

Yeah, because they don’t care it doesn’t bother them. It was up to these people they would lower the age of consent. This is how the Jewish people are.

[@larrybrinley8222]

Is it forbidden to say sexual abuse/assault ??

[@RobinWilson-r5e]

On YT about a certain tribe you're comments just might get removed lol 🤣

[@robert.m4676]

@@RobinWilson-r5ethat’s because YT is in bed with all the 3 letter agencies!

[@robert.m4676]

They really have no shame. All the talk of the a was ick behavior from child abuse of every kind coupled with satanic worship it’s normal for them and he is one of their mentors!

[@benbirch2393]

Anyone who thinks that polanski and the ruling class / elite had nothing to do with all of this debauched ghoulishness, is quite mad.

[@nbdingo6144]

He’s a monster for sure, I choose to believe that the house was truly high profile. Manson is Frankensteins monster just like whitey burger and all other test subjects from MK Ultra. They’re lab rats got out and fucked up the world

[@TheMid-KnightRider]

💯💯💯👍

[@laurids2007]

You really have to read the whole book. It is clear who ordered the slaughter. It was the government and the reasons are well explained in the book. For Polanski, it is also clear he had nothing to do with it.

[@kellygrace3247]

Manson was a CIA asset

[@kellygrace3247]

Manson was a CIA asset

[@kamilmalinowski1267]

RIP Sharon Tate, her baby and other victims.

[@nadiamccall4311]

What other victims? People only care about the famous one, it seems.

[@maryallison0509]

Amen!!! She was a beautiful kind lady. I don’t remember ever reading bad things about her. She was just a young woman excited about being a momma. May they be flying with the angels 👼

[@maryallison0509]

nadia mccall Your right. But Sharon and the baby were the youngest victims. So I guess that is why people feel so strong about them. She was in her early twenties. So people feel like Sharon could be any of our kids, nieces or friends or cousin.

[@JamesWSmith-sj2zg]

Mary Allison. NO, you're wrong. nadia mccall. Yes, you're correct. Just like Kobe Bryant's death, the famous only count. The rest are considered "other victims"

[@JamesWSmith-sj2zg]

The "other" victims: Steven Parent, 18: Visiting the resident of a guest house on the Cielo Drive estate, he was the first victim of the murderers. Abigail Folger, 25: The heir to the Folgers coffee fortune, she was romantically involved with Frykowski and was an investor in Sebring’s salons. *A Hollywood actress, 26 (not in her early 20's)* Voytek Frykowski, 32: A friend of Polanski’s, he came from a wealthy Polish family and was staying with Polanski and Tate. Gary Hinman, 34: The musician was stabbed to death in his Old Topanga Canyon Road home in July 1969. The phrase “POLITICAL PIGGY” was scrawled in blood on his wall. Manson follower Bobby Beausoleil was arrested while driving Hinman’s Volkswagen bus and was later convicted of the crime. Donald “Shorty” Shea, 35: A horse wrangler at the Spahn Movie Ranch near Chatsworth, he was killed in August 1969, after the Tate-LaBianca murders. It is believed that Manson’s followers killed him because they feared he was a police informant. His body was found eight years later.I Jay Sebring, 35: A Hollywood hairdresser whose clients included Warren Beatty, he was a former boyfriend of Tate’s. Rosemary LaBianca, 38 Leno LaBianca, 44: Husband and wife, owners of a chain of Los Angeles grocery stores, their Los Feliz house was targeted by Charles Manson, who tied them up but left the killing to others. I put these in order by their age: youngest to oldest, since Mary Allison believes that's what determined Tate's death recognition, not being a Hollywood actress.

[@jeremyparr9448]

Sharon Tate had been my grandmothers best friend from grade school until she was murdered. My grandmother was prom queen in Vicenza, Italy and Tate was one of the runner-ups. I've seen pictures of Tate when they were kids. Their parents were military.

[@raywilliams3621]

You must had a hot grandma!! A GILF!!!

[@everythingisaworkinprogres5729]

I didn’t think Italy had anything like school dances, let alone prom.

[@Blondiepi]

Wow Debbie was my best friend in Italy abs Sharon was like a big sister to me. Spent a lot of time at her house. We were in Verona at that time

[@terryannmaes5538]

@@everythingisaworkinprogres5729 they went to an American school in Italy. They were children of Military

[@everythingisaworkinprogres5729]

@@terryannmaes5538 oh that makes sense now.

[@skaycgoldenridge]

I'll never forget hearing the news of those murders. I had been up on that hill where the Tate murder happened. I was only 13. A friend of my father was sending his son to deliver something to someone who lived in LA. The son had grown up there and my sister, friends and myself begged my father to let us go along because we were promised a tour of some of the homes of celebrities...Doris Day's home being one of them. It was very hot and humid during that time. We awoke to the news of the murders on my parent's television. We were all in shock, knowing we had been in the area. Crazy.

[@kibblenbits]

The house where the Tate murder's occured was never owned by Doris Day, it was owned by Terry Melcher, her son.

[@skaycgoldenridge]

@@kibblenbits I know that. I wrote in the comment that our guide showed us the home of Doris Day. I am very well aware who owned the home Tate lived in.

[@5QueenBee21]

Terry Melcher didn't own the house either...Rudi Altobelli owned the house​@kibblenbits

[@skaycgoldenridge]

@@5QueenBee21 You're absolutey correct. Thanks.

[@ellensiniscalchi1482]

@@kibblenbits the home was owned by Rudi Altobelli-Terry Melcher only rented it-for about a year and a half.

[@MasseurDavis]

I wish the ending to Once Upon A Time in Hollywood was true. Takes a sick, evil demonic soul to kill a pregnant woman.

[@petmomful2260]

I went to see it, loved it, and said to the guy next to me, "That is what SHOULD have happened."

[@vl8962]

Roman Polanski

[@MasseurDavis]

@@petmomful2260 One of the criminals felt as if she should of been freed, regretting what she did in her youth!

[@petmomful2260]

@@MasseurDavis Yes, all of them feel that way, the ones that are still alive.

[@MasseurDavis]

@@petmomful2260 2, they should get the death penalty, but California is so liberal.

[@rageagainstmyhairline5574]

Like Michael Cain says in 'The Dark Knight', "some men just want to watch the world burn". Some men want to see how much they can make someone do. Manson was not insane, just deeply narcissistic, cruel, and curious. A bad combination.

[@atomictraveller]

its great how you can get truth just from watching two masons talk

[@wynterwhite4255]

𓀬𓆙♕

[@razkable]

manson knew polanski and he hated him..that why he got him killed for denying him something...the other stuff is just nonsense

[@luvlgs1]

sounds like antifa

[@FuckPedophileBiden]

@@razkable Polansky was not killed.

[@princedaemontargaryen117]

I love how Joe lets him speak and doesn’t cut him off! Good podcast! I know I’m late but I always rewatch and I was like I leave a comment.

[@csebesta84]

Jane Fonda is still insufferable.

[@MikeCoxlongg]

Who else goes straight to the comments to see if the vid is worth watching? Lol

[@Betrayerslayer]

Here. Beatin it to the Krenwinkle Finkle Fiddler Satan Snatch. Feel meh? Wassup..?

[@weirdead829]

Always

[@crocop6873]

Who else here makes comments just for the sake of having likes? Sellout

[@winendesertrose]

I always do.

[@shenvega6688]

Yup

[@sandranatali1260]

At the time of Manson Family, my family lived around 5 miles from the Spawn ranch. We. would see the family in their bus around the neighborhood, they would go to the supermarkets in the area, go through the trash bins for food. My friends and I would wonder about them but never tried to search them out. We decided they were trouble, so perhaps we had some fear. After they were arrested, we knew that we did right thing, by not allowing our curiosity get the best of us.

[@velveetaslingshot]

Spahn

[@eeclarkutube]

Nothing wrong with getting food from the trash if it is still edible.

[@michaelmanz4618]

That's crazy. Glad you didn't let curious.

[@sheilalarson8964]

Same. The teachers at Chatsworth High warned the students not to go horseback riding up at Spahn. Word had gotten out there was trouble brewing up there at the ranch.

[@user-pq6mr6op3p]

Bullshit

[@wrAIth-AI]

I'm beginning to think Earth is a conspiracy.

[@conceptualmessiah01]

It's flat around the corners.

[@mentalcompassno1]

it is

[@tranzco1173]

Yeah dude, I'm turning all this stuff off for awhile, inserting head into sand. I will never have enough information to know what F is going on in this world.

[@scottydmac]

may I join you on your quest?

[@YouAintGotNoTegridyBoi]

@@CelticAngloPress2nd enough with your Jewish conspiracies dude. That's Nazi propaganda. I'm not saying there aren't bad Jews in power, of course there are and they are disproportionately represented but don't go down that slippery slope man... You took the black pill.

[@Dontneedahandle0]

I’m glad they aren’t releasing it here in the states. The man taped a young girl, he doesn’t deserve to make ungodly amounts of money, while escaping prosecution.

[@S.O.N.E]

Meanwhile you dont pay taxes once and get completeky fucked over. We are worse than scum to those people.

[@VenomHernandez]

*_"No Good Gaw'Damn Hippies"_* - Leonardo DiCaprio

[@reinforcedpenisstem]

Tarantino wrote that, not some empty vessel actor.

[@rainblaze.]

He got that right ✌🍄🌻🌾🏵🌸🌹

[@deevahgirl]

Cartman

[@HUNNYPAINTS]

@@reinforcedpenisstem fuck off you sound super goofy.

[@HUNNYPAINTS]

@fastguitar BIG DADDY TARANTINO LIKES FEET GET OVER IT

[@brusselsprout5851]

I’m 66 years old, grew up in the Bay Area during “the time” and have never been interested in the shadowy kind of glorifying the whole Manson thing. This is such a sensible approach that, for the first time ever, I am interested in reading the story. That Altamont and the end of that whole reign came up tells me this guy has pulled it all together. Sadly, intelligence keeps on pulling their bullshit on people. Excellent interview. I’m getting this book. Thank you.

[@scarlettsemail2433]

It’s a great book. Bugliosi was a fame hungry ar*e & to hell with truth.

[@smallfeet4581]

not being american i was interested in it , being able too watch some progs about it and mansons life story as i didnt know a lot about it , would not glorify it one bit ,

[@63Baggies]

Oddly enough I watched the excellent David Fincher movie 'Zodiac' it really bought my limited memories of San Francisco and the Bay Area back to me via a cracking soundtrack.

[@erisdiscordia7439]

CHARLES MANSON IS GOD

[@paulvoorhies8821]

Have you read Season Of The Witch??

[@JamesWSmith-sj2zg]

I cooked, stirred and ate an entire box of Kraft macaroni and cheese while watching this, and still nothing registered.

[@mr.christopher79]

shells and cheese will set you free

[@AColonDashSix]

TheLance3185 processed cheese is be of the worst inventions man-kind had come up with. Tear-gas has a better approval rating

[@JamesWSmith-sj2zg]

AColonDashSix Little much there bro. Little much.

[@janesmith1284]

Oh thanks I thought something is wrong with me that I had no idea what he just said

[@EYE_GOTCHA]

I grew up eating that and loved it, never knew it was so full of bad stuff. Can’t bring myself to eat it any more. 😞

[@katja6332]

Manson is the definition of crazy and Polanski is, to put it politely not a nice person, neither why Hollywood give those abusive men (Polanski, Woody Allen, Kinski, Weinstein etc) the credits for being "geniuses" is beyond me.

[@kayrutledge1970]

I agree.

[@kathymc234]

Because they are all perverts.

[@Dilley_G45]

Not the only case of the French neither extraditing NOR prosecuting a ray pist

[@napoleonfeanor]

He probably knew important people there

[@Tyler_W]

I think there's room for nuance. Calling bad people scumbags and giving credit for good work are not mutually exclusive. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with giving credit to the quality of someone's work even though they're bad people, but ignoring the bad things people do and praising them as good guys because they've been involved in good art are steps too far imo. I have no issue with anyone saying they love any of Polanski's movies (for example, Chinatown is superb) or simply pointing out the objective fact that Harvey Weinstein helped produce a lot of great and deservedly beloved movies so long as they also acknowledge that both men are guilty of doing some terrible things. What's absolutely disgusting and objectionable is the extent to which people in the industry have tried to ignore Weinstein's abuse of power or how some have tridd to get Polanski off his charges so he can come back to America. THAT, at the very least, is culpability with evil, not simply enjoying any of the good things they've worked on.

[@Gmacc187]

"I'm guilty of thinking I had rights in a courtroom" - Manson

[@TywinLannister666]

When you are directly responsible for homicides, you do in fact, still have rights, until you are proven to be guilty, which he most certainly was.

[@epsteinandsaviledaycarepla3320]

@@TywinLannister666 but.. was... He... Sexual?

[@brettg82au]

@@epsteinandsaviledaycarepla3320 what???

[@Charliezard7]

@@TywinLannister666 you can't prove he was guilty. Not even the court gave evidence. Well yes, but invented it. Helter skelter wasn't ever a thing (just the name of a night club). They wouldn't even let Manson bring any witness. Totally rigged

[@PInk77W1]

Carlos M were the dead bodies rigged ?

[@lorihoop3831]

I'm reading this man's book now that's called Chaos, and besides cross referencing to prove the author's claims/points and watching interviews it's one that's very hard to put down. Actually loading myself up with caffeine now so I can read late into the night, it's that interesting. Mind blown, and this book/interview and many many others I've perused through the years only reinforces the understanding of just how disgusting Hollywood and the music business is and how corrupt our government is. 😥

[@Ridethebomb777]

McGowans book throws good insight on this whole scene .... worth a read.

[@jazminej9]

Bingo

[@danilegan5542]

Yup

[@Fuphyter]

I was 13 in 1970. The corruption and openly evil music industry has gone off the rails. Everything going on now seems insane to me. Food prices have doubled! Maybe it's my age but the pronouns now! The uber wealthy run this Country and don't get me started on child sniffing Biden. It breaks my heart. I worry for my grandkids.

[@reemclaughlin4260]

Hollywood is evil.

[@Tackytiger74]

I've never been able to reconcile just how Bugliosi could be such an ace prosecutor and brilliant author of Helter Skelter.....and at the same time be such a vociferous proponent of the Warren Commission's findings, the lone nut assassin and the magic bullet....Now I know....Great interview.

[@JeffCrow1313]

O'Neill is a charlatan. He wants to throw shade on Bugliosi's reputation to please all of his conspiracy loon friends who make living promoting lies and speculation and never have any actual evidence. Bugliosi and (Gerald Posner) have conclusively shown there's only evidence vs OSWALD.

[@tonysienzant6717]

It's because the Warren Commission WAS CORRECT. That's WHY. All the conspiracy books about Oswald have been discredited. The Oliver Stone film completely discredited as a fabrication, using information that was debunked numerous times: very sloppy research. This author also DOES NOT PROVIDE ANY EVIDENCE OF THE CIA'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE TATE MURDERS. Only speculation. Conspiracy Theories in search of PROOF.

[@ShortArmOfGod]

You know the magic bullet was made up by Oliver stone right?

[@Tackytiger74]

Wrong, it was Arlen Specter@@ShortArmOfGod

[@jasongrange4376]

The “magic Bullet” is just conspiracy theory nonsense that has been thoroughly debunked. Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

[@billreid818]

I spoke to Tom Briefly a couple of years ago after reading his book. I believe I ran across a house near Vacaville where some Family members were squatting in 1977... I just wanted to relate the story to him. He was kind to me and receptive and didn't make me feel like an idiot like a few people have over the years when I told them about my experience ( It's a long story ) I highly recommend his book. It makes more sense to me than anything else I have read... These murderers have haunted me since 1969 when I was 11 years old....

[@vkngwmn6636]

Read Strange Tales of Laurel Canyon

[@Reclining_Spuds]

Manson was in Vacaville State Prison at that time. I was living in nearby Fairfield.

[@billreid818]

@Reclining_Spuds The house was out in the middle of nowhere, off of Pleasant Valley Road, about hallway to Lake Berryessa... It was abandoned and I came on it by chance. My ex wife, my cousin's wife and I were out riding one night and I caught a glimpse of something on a gate in front of the property... I thought it was a little kid... It was a dog. A big Doberman. Someone had killed it, cut it open and hung it on the gate... Long story... I took my wife and cousin home, found a cop and rode with him back out there. He didn't want to go over the fence... I said, "Don't you think you should check out that house?" He said, "Are you gonna come with me?" We went up the driveway, about 50 yards and we hear something coming right at us... ( It's pitch black and all he has is his flashlight ) He pulled his weapon and a fucking horse goes running past us... keeps going. SOMEONE had spooked it and ran it towards us... We get to the house, it's open. Lots of fast food trash, old crap, magzines, blankets. A big Pentagram on the floor in the main room. A glass in the middle, surrounded by candles... they were out, but wax was soft... I said, "Man, let's get the hell outta here..." He was a young cop, probably about 25, 30. I was 18... We were both pretty scared... He dropped me off at my house and said he would write a report about the dog and see if a detective would investigate in daylight.... never heard from him again. Years later, I'm researching a term paper on the Manson family and I learned about their water sharing ritual. I had no idea Manson was in Vacaville in 1977. My wife and I lived off Alamo drive, not far from the prison. I have always believed that some of the Family were squatting in that house... whoever killed that dog was a very sick, evil person. Whoever was squatting in that house KNEW it was there. The gate was locked and the house was only about 100 yards away...

[@Reclining_Spuds]

@billreid818 that is really creepy. Nothing surprising coming from that gang. I worked at the Nut Tree Restaurant as a dishwasher from January to April in 1977. I would get off at midnight and ride my motorcycle right past the prison. That was creepy enough for me.

[@billreid818]

@Reclining_Spuds My ex worked there at the ice cream shop. I worked at the mobile home factory on El Mira... we had just moved to California... we had a 3 bedroom apt for $175... I had a new car, Pinto Stallion... the note was $78... She made minimum but I was making $5.50 an hour... we thought were living large! Lol! It was a different world, and Fairfield/Vacaville was a sleepy little bedroom community back then. I miss those days... the marriage didn't make it, but we're the parents of a wonderful son and we're still friends.

[@dannycolon5726]

The Man's theory is correct. Check out who Sharon's Tate Dad Was ..he was an Army officer who specialized in Psy Ops

'jolly' west was a CIA psy/ops 'doctor' who was involved in almost EVERY odd murder ever

[@63Baggies]

The entire Laurel Canyon creative movement seems to have been a CIA driven operation.

[@richardpowell3259]

@@63Baggies Yea. " Weird Scenes In The Canyon". RIP Dave M.

[@catmastertrash369]

@@63Baggies Didn't Jared Leto buy Laurel Canyon?

[@earlpipe9713]

Not Laurel Canyon, but Lookout Mountain in Laurel Canyon

[@tommy1138]

"This Manson fella sounds like a real jerk!" ----- Norm Macdonald

[@dirtyguava8209]

Author be like "How do I not spoil my book"

[@chrisrodriguez5934]

Did he imply that the cia committed these murders?

[@androlibre9661]

if he does....nobody will buy it

[@stillnotchill2560]

Don't shame someone for securing the bag.

[@KMcNally117]

@@chrisrodriguez5934 he did. There's a smaller JRE clip mentioning the CIA.

[@inesgoncalves232]

@@chrisrodriguez5934 No, he didn't. I read the book when it came out. It was a passion project after Premiere (the magazine) shut down. It was supposed to be an article for the 30th anniversary of the murders. But he kept digging and digging, and finding more and more shit. Like, for instance, the fact that Manson was never put away for any of the crimes he committed after he was released in 1967, because his parole officer protected him to no end. That parole officer was involved in studies, funded by institutes that were funded by the CIA, about the how LSD could make people more violent (there were also studies, by the same institutes, posing as free-clinics in San Francisco, about how cannabis could make people more docile - I'm sorry if I'm getting any of these statements wrong, but I've read the book almost a year ago). There are a lot of loose threads in the book, exactly because O'Neill didn't want the book to turn into a conspiracy theory, but it's fascinating nonetheless. Especially the fact that he mentions the murder Beausoleil committed due to a drug deal gone wrong, how Susan Atkins tried to cover for him, trying to redirect that murder to the Black Panthers, writing "pigs" on the wall, way before the Tate-LaBianca murders, etc. I recommend watching "Charles Manson: The Final Words".

[@jeniebaxter5278]

I read helter skelter when I was a kid. At that moment in time, I always had the thought that the acronym for P.I.G... stood for Polanski is guilty.

[@skaycgoldenridge]

jeniebaxter5278: Wow! Brilliant!

[@MARKIEBANUNCE]

I always felt Polanski SACRIFICED her

[@donnaparnell4639]

Seriously? The charges on Polanski happened after the murders

[@theridgerider8609]

@@donnaparnell4639 He is guilty of way more than for what he was charged. WAY MORE.

[@donnaparnell4639]

@@theridgerider8609 cause you know him personally right.

[@cloud_monkey422]

Since when has any official narrative ever been believable

[@brandonboulton2776]

Not since Lincoln's death.

[@ATECRIO]

@@brandonboulton2776 is that why any critique of Lincoln is met with frustration?

[@jebidiahnewkedkracker1025]

@@ATECRIO I think he might be saying/suggesting that even the "official narrative" surrounding LINCOLN'S death in 1865 is not all its cracked up to be--there have even been questions raised regarding Booth's involvement, and Secretary of State Stanton. But since THAT event has crossed the threshold of what could be considered "ancient" history, even a paranoid "tin-foil-hat-wearer" such as myself will look at that with detached amusement.

[@misterdanielo3281]

This was one of the most interesting interviews. This guest REALLY knew this topic like the back of his hand.

[@bobcourtier4674]

“I am one of your garbage people”. Even Manson was right sometimes.

[@notapplicable328]

“The garbage pickers of Ameeeericaaa”

[@jaysantos536]

@@notapplicable328 Charlie killed one less person that Ted Kennedy.

[@notapplicable328]

@@jaysantos536 i agree i was quoting a song off of Charles mansons first album he recorded before the famous murders.

[@barahng]

Oh garbage dump oh garbage dump

[@jeanmichellelaurent]

@@barahng why do they call you a garbage dump?

[@c.rackrock1373]

I bought Tom's book because of this interview. 100/100 recommend.

[@gijoey5912]

Phenomenal book. I'm currently reading it for the second time.

[@tonyrosales915]

By far my favorite episode on JRE, out of the many fantastic episodes over the years. Just riveting throughout. I read the book, it's such a tremendous read from start to finish.

[@TrequartistaFM]

So Eddie bravo was right and Callen was wrong again? Not surprised

[@folgargrimm6811]

How was Eddie right?

[@n.randall6152]

The term Conspiracy theorists was made up and propagated in the 50s by the CIA to discredit the in the know individuals.. Believe 60% of what you hear. All stories start from somewhere. You just have to decipher what's been added or left out as stories change hands. Sometimes stories are entirely made up and put out by other governments to throw off people from the truth. Take for instance China unleashing the claim that 5G is responsible for covid 19 deaths. They pushed that story to cover up the fact the Virus came from wuhans level 4 lab. It was proven 2 weeks before it even made it to America. You will see that in MSM over the next couple of months be released to the public little by little.. I knew about it in mid December... China lied about 2,000 infected when in mid December the numbers was already 90,000+.... Google has buried the original video but people still reposting it so the dates will be later..

[@zegrasisinnocent]

Callen is one of the most close minded people.

[@TrequartistaFM]

A man with one hand his dad is a big time globalist. Don’t have anything actually against him, but he’s so on that side

[@folgargrimm6811]

@@n.randall6152 The USA made covid, planted it in wuhan, China was becoming a very big threat to the U.S.A, now with the world thinking China is at fault, there will be more backing against China.

[@BatrickPateman430]

Knowing Roman, knowing Hollywood I have no doubts in my mind that tape was real.

[@cactaceous]

Get help. Honestly. You will fall for anything then.

[@kaylenejantjes8113]

It's a constant back and forth about what's real and what's fabrication with the intention of wanting a specific response from the public.

[@97NikeSb]

Yeah I’m sure you know Roman personally lmaooooo fucking idiot

[@herbthompson8937]

@@97NikeSb you need to know someone personally to have a good idea of what they're about??

[@alexgiarmo5372]

@@cactaceous ll

[@ladadog3977]

Vincent Bugliosi came to Indiana University in 1976, and gave a presentation called Helter Skelter. He gave a talk after screening the film and it was very interesting. Most of us knew very little about the case, and we gave him a standing ovation at the end.

[@billhughes3066]

Bugliosi was full of shit. Helter skelter was created by him through Atkins for the purpose of books and movies.

[@ethelesparza2127]

RIP Sharon Tate 💐

[@josephcusumano2885]

🙏

[@sadbunny3479]

MrParkerman6 oh...I didn't know that.

[@Joseph-np7fw]

Ethel..... because it's not true.

[@KardashianVideos]

@@MrParkerman6 lmao no she didn't. all of this happened after she died.

[@thegamingchannel9023]

And still for the baby i find it bad!!! That baby would never see live he/she never ask for nothing so!

[@JohnDoe-cd6ro]

Rosemary's Baby was basically a biopic.

[@feminem7six]

Everything is hidden in plain sight. It has always been right in front of us.

[@pbohearn]

Too coincidental. You’re right. I wonder with Mia Farrow thought

[@ranikjsarabsuj5301]

Who else goes straight to the comments to see if the vid is worth watching? Lol

[@kobalt77]

OMG, I totally forgot that was Polanski

[@SirSSau]

Sht man, that’s weird ay Maybe Manson was a fan of Rosemary’s Baby? or Hated it?

[@yolandagaines1760]

Inciting race wars by violence 51 years later. This one shall FAIL too.

[@TywinLannister666]

@ManSon Rising How about this you shitheel amateur, you want to speculate on some shit that didn't even happen because you THINK it was going to go down like that? Whilst dog whistling? 1. Go fuck yourself, civ. 2. Educate yourself on the 1921 Tulsa Race Riots before you bring your fanfiction back in here.

[@tawdryhepburn4686]

ManSon Rising ...I want to hear your story. If you feel like sharing.

[@ErikaLaGrande]

Yes, it will fail. I do not consent. I am free thinker. I am free from their ( whoever they are) dark magic. 💚

[@ErikaLaGrande]

@ManSon Rising...none...no legal or illegal drugs/medications, no alcohol, low sugar, low caffeine, and no fluoride. That’s why my mind and body are clear from toxic, mind numbing chemicals. I get a lot of fresh air and exercise too. I can’t be brainwashed like 99% of the masses. I’m good. I live in TRUTH. Sorry you are cut off from Truth. It requires discipline, but cut the chemical $hi+ you put in your body and meditate.

[@ErikaLaGrande]

@ManSon Rising my original reply was not to you, it was to the original comment, and it wasn’t meant to be understood by everyone. Some people understood, most didn’t. Try meditation. It will help with your anger🙏🏻

[@brentsmock1044]

Steve McQueen had been invited to the party that night, but never went. Lucky for him.

[@Sambone702]

You mean lucky for "Tex Watson'

[@brentsmock1044]

@@Sambone702 Well said!👍

[@janetlieb2507]

Also, Sharon's sister was going to come.

[@laurataylor8179]

There was no party

[@randyhanson4973]

@@Sambone702I agree.

[@oceanhedonist265]

I'll never forget sitting in my parent's house as a kid with some friends playing Monopoly. There was an interuption in the TV broadcast, and a newscaster came on to report that several people had been discovered slain in Los Angeles. It's something I'll always remember.

[@justinmartin4662]

Sure, like you had nothing to do with it. Something about you feels fishy… I’m on to you!

[@oceanhedonist265]

@@justinmartin4662 Yeah, I was 11 years old, living on the east coast, lol! 🤦‍♂️

[@michaelneal2729]

@@oceanhedonist265 was this the charles mansion situation? im trying to lean more about it

[@oceanhedonist265]

@@michaelneal2729 Yeah.

[@pattihainline1573]

I was 10 & we heard alot about all of it! Also Martin Luther King Murder! The hippie stuff & the vietnam war! Also JFK assanation i remember hearing all of it! The 60's were a very bad time of civil unrest!

[@DeidreL9]

To be honest, l have no idea what these two are trying to say. At the end of it all, all l know is that Sharon Tate deserved a hell of a lot better, both in her marriage and in every other aspect of her short life. Her murder is an absolute tragedy. R.I.P. Sharon, and your baby, and the other victims.

[@Lunarstruck1]

She made some really bad choices in life

[@july713x3]

I am a little confused because what I think they r saying is so incredible. I believe he is saying the CIA is behind the Tate murders. They were in cohoots with manson. An attempt to kill the hippie and liberal movements. That is 1 hell of a thesis.

[@keitha.563]

Absolutely agree RIP to Sharon Tate. Fkn shame !!

[@aha3885]

These two are feeding America's emotional flat-earthers. One of the most profitable business.

[@evancoker194]

Well she broke an engagement with Jay Sebring, who really loved her, to run off with movie director Polanski, the sick serial adulterer, and more. This unfaithful, poor decision ultimately placed her in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[@rickymetzenbomb7548]

I agree that the motives given by the prosecutors in the Manson trial are bogus; however, I do not agree that the motive was to destroy the hippy and panther movement. It had to be more sinister than that, its more complicated than that if you look at the MKUltra experiments and where they originated.

[@kurtbrendel6610]

That's not exactly what he's arguing, you should read the book

[@yogibee1009]

Yes, Occult Hollywood at work.

[@sergeantsavage1988]

Look up Ryan singleton murder in death Valley same place manson was found after the tate murders. Welcome to the entrance of A rabbit hole.

[@teripittman]

Before the murders happened, the cops did a bust at Spahn Ranch. Rolling Stone magazine covered it, with a picture of Charlie on the cover titled "Man of the Year". They thought it was just innocent hippies, being hassled by the Man.

[@rmg3red17]

@@teripittman Lol. Way off. The arrests at Spahn Ranch, for suspicion of car theft, etc., came a week after the murders but, because of a clerical error, those arrested were summarily released. Rolling Stone did not cover it. They did do an article in the magazine the following year, but it was around the time of the trial and the pictures printed were given to reporters by Manson family members when they interviewed them at the ranch. The cover did not say 'Man of the Year." It said 'The Most Dangerous Man Alive'. There was, however, an underground counterculture newspaper called Tuesday's Child that was published in the Los Angeles Area for a few years, starting in late '69 I believe, that did feature that headline.

[@mykula780]

That's right Manson never committed a single murder in his life but yet his parole was denied the three women that actually cut the baby out of Sharon Tate was paroled. Now please tell me if we don't have a Judicial problem in America

[@Kjspun1021]

What are u even talking about

[@Kjspun1021]

1, I'm sure he did kill at some point...Sadie died in prison from brain cancer

[@sherryaleshire9187]

​@KJSPUN1021 what do you mean ?? Did you not understand the comment ?? Maybe READ IT AGAIN

[@zariballard]

The baby wasn't cut out.

[@Mary-t5d5c]

I'm quite sure the baby was. And no one proved man son killed anyone. And a few got paroled. What's up with Bobby Beaulieu and tex watson

[@CrustyUgg]

Meryl Streep: orange man bad!!!!! Also Meryl Streep: *Gives Roman a standing ovation and speaks very highly of him* I laugh at these Hollywood elitists who are such hypocrites

[@nickdrago9416]

Orange man still sucks

[@michaelterry4394]

Meryl asleep what does she bring to the table. Shut up and keep acting.lol

[@brendatanner1259]

You are definitely ON to something.....bigly (word courtesy of our current and ongoing president)

[@brendatanner1259]

It's a club. Helloooo

[@MyUserTubeAccount]

@@nickdrago9416 no, actually he doesn't?

[@Berkdogg79]

Many "Official Narratives" don't add up.

[@MrShanester117]

Spartan Heart Yeah if youre dumb

[@Colaglass]

@@MrShanester117 MKUltra happened, anything is possible. Wonder where they're at now.

[@MrShanester117]

A plant The official narrative is that MK ultra happened. So how is that an official narrative that doesn’t add up?

[@HULLGRAFFITI]

usually to muppets with their own.....

[@Berkdogg79]

@@MrShanester117 It officially didn't happen when the program was being conducted.

[@Glo7x]

Doris Day wrote about Manson in her book. Doris's son Terry Melcher was a music producer who was the previous owner of the Tate house. Doris believed that her son was the actual target that night. Doris stated that Terry refused to give Manson a recording contract and that's why the Tate house was targeted. Doris believed that Manson thought that her son still lived in that house. The book is called "Doris Day : her own story"

[@monstermcboo7282]

Except Charlie knew Terry had moved.

[@subg8858]

Also, there is testimony recorded by police from another producer who had recorded Manson who claimed he couldn’t do anything with the tapes because Manson refused to sign anything. He said the only thin Manson was interested in was getting the tapes themselves. Manson was selling songs under the table to groups like the Beach Boys. The motive of being rejected by music industry is non sense. Nothing about Manson suggests he would even be willing to sign a contract with a corporation

[@paulvoorhies8821]

@@monstermcboo7282 Yup!

[@paulvoorhies8821]

@@subg8858. Gimme a break!

[@Rosemary-up1ql]

This account was the one that was the real deal, this new one is I guess is more entertaining than that acciunt,but the original had enough gore in it for most we have enough violence in this world without digging up bones to fabricate more to a already tragic story.

[@odeleon24]

What a great book. Hard to put down. Very engrossing. Well written. So many interesting characters.

[@socalcde]

There's a lot of info that people never heard before in that book, but one thing that surprised me is that there was no mention of Bugliosi's assistant who was murdered during the trial. He was found beheaded I think in the Sespe Creek area of Ojai. I will never forget that because I was hiking in that area the weekend that it happened.

[@paulvoorhies8821]

He was not beheaded. He was crushed in an avalanche in a crevasse. Some say it was homicide. It was ruled and certainly looked like an accident.

[@paulvoorhies8821]

It wasn’t Bugliosi’s assistant; it was Leslie Van Houten’s defense attorney, Ronald Hughes.

[@paulvoorhies8821]

@@jaydemartin7295👍😜

[@damotheman4196]

​@@jaydemartin7295Agreed.

[@christineobrien7707]

I remember a mention of a certain lawyer found dead in a swimming pool. Not sure if it's the same guy you're talking about .So much truth was hidden from this sad, grizzly event And then @ a week later, Woodstock occurs in NY.Peace on the Eastcoast, but not the west coast.

[@majinvipergaming]

"These groups were trying to incite violence"... Sounds like most groups these days.

[@MJAce85]

Or two certain groups, one with 3 letters, one that claims it's anti something or other but is definitely what it says it isn't

[@majinvipergaming]

@@MJAce85 no it's all groups. Every last one. Cause the minute you speak something that does fit the narrative or agenda of said group you're immediately a target. I don't need groups. I prefer isolation. I hope these groups die out. ALL of them.

[@tupacshakur9224]

Sharon Tate deserved so much better and deserved to live out her life and start her family, one of the most horrific stuff I’ve seen in my life. What a beautiful young girl Smh

[@thomasgreen1557]

You might appreciate the movie " Once upon a time in Hollywood" by Quentin Tarantino

[@bokane1963]

So you are alive

[@jenniferbroadwater6136]

Without a doubt this is a horrible case. Check out the wonderland murders, A.k.a. Laurel Canyon murders, the four on the floor.

[@bookeyblu7708]

Maybe someone can ask him to solve your murder.

[@jenniferbroadwater6136]

@@bookeyblu7708 Not mine you’re mistaken. It’s yours!!

[@SevenGC89]

3/3 for books I picked up because of JRE and loved them. -Chaos by Tom O'Neill -Fingerprints of the Gods by Graham Hancock -DMT The Spirit Molecule by Dr Rick Strassman highly recommend all 3 if you get the chance.

[@00M13-m9f]

I have read the second two now I must read this one! Graham Hancock is the bomb! Check out Robert Sepehr and Dr Michael Salla, too!

[@dathorndike4908]

"Charles Manson: In His Own Words" That gives the most realistic and likely scenario of the murders from Manson himself. Nothing like getting it straight from the source.

[@bigbthecat6999]

Went from funny cat videos to this, youtube is fun

[@jameson6930]

How did KZbin pick this for me?

[@michaellasley1918]

It’s a “rich” vs “poor” issue not “black” “white” issue

[@jameson6930]

@@michaellasley1918 Blacks were being set up as scapegoats. In that way it was a black white issue

[@CookedAF2]

Theres vidoes of the CIA experimenting on kittens with acid, microwaves, evil shit.

[@danielgreen7050]

You were on a KZbin journey

[@kellyposh8376]

One of my earliest memories is being in downtown L.A. (We lived in the suburbs, about 30 miles away from downtown, but we would go downtown every once in awhile to pick things up like...copies of our birth certificates for school/sports activities. I’m guessing that’s why we were there that day). I must have been about 3 years old. This day stands out in my memory... I remember walking down the street with my mom and older siblings. We were walking near the courthouse...there were a bunch of people outside the courthouse. And I just remember my mom redirecting us to cross the street from all the courthouse commotion...she grabbed my hand aggressively...and her grip on my hand was so tight it was hurting me as she half dragged me across the street. I remember looking at all the commotion and seeing two women with X’s on their foreheads heading towards the courthouse. I didn’t put it together until I was a teenager.

[@SunflowerChild82]

That’s a profound, cool memory!

[@googletool680]

Thank You 🙏🏼 awesome share Kelly!

[@georgemallory797]

Wow! I love stories that tie people's everyday lives and tasks and criss cross them with famous (infamous) events. Thank you.

[@brooklyn9398]

History.

[@g50iceman]

Wow to bad you didn't have a phone in those days could a snapped a pic Memories Forever Frozen in time I bet one of those women was Squeaky

[@johnpriceprice6860]

Q: What really ended the sixties? A:1970

[@freeshaable]

Sixties ended in 1975

[@TymP321]

Depends on who you ask. Some say it's alive and well in the socialist educators of today which is what's causing the current American meltdown. Peace, Love, and riot to end violence

[@ahcapella]

Well, really 1971, because there was no “year zero.” But that inclusive/exclusive stuff makes my head hurt.

[@atomsmasha]

Actually it’s 1971 that ends the decade. 1970 is the tenth year of that decade.

[@atomsmasha]

@@TymP321 Don’t understand what you’re saying. Could you be clearer and more precise. Thanks

[@LoneWolf81684]

If I remember correctly, Sharon Tate was good friends with Steve McQueen and invited him over but he decided not to go. Scary thought.

[@dathorndike4908]

That is true

[@vintagebrew1057]

The actor Christopher Jones claimed that he was having an affair with Sharron. He was filming in Ireland when he heard the terrible news. He kept it quiet for years because he thought Polanski would have him killed.

[@birsay123]

Italian cookies, coffee and lemonade = brutal heartburn 🔥

[@michaellasley1918]

It’s a “rich” vs “poor” issue not “black” “white” issue

[@MaynardOwns]

Try animal crackers and cranberry juice next.

[@pj1909]

And a day on the toilet

[@davidperez5089]

@@MaynardOwns what dya got your period?

[@jackwalsh7956]

What about the gabagool?

[@archdruidangelawilson9366]

At this point in history was the end of my childhood. Everything changed after these murders . It was a terrifying moment…it made people paranoid and extremely cynical .

[@Dontbustthecrust]

68' 69' were crazy fucking years.

[@thereckoning8326]

Precisely what it was meant to do!!!!

[@danielgriff2659]

These werent the only crazy murders at the time.. people USED to hitchhike.. that ended when the crazies started murdering them. So yes, it did indeed make people paranoid and cynical.

[@Mirokuofnite]

I had an uncle who lived down in LA during the Manson murders. He was a bit of a hippy at the time and he said if the cops pulled him and his friends over for traffic shit they would always let them go and be real friendly with them. He later found out the cops were afraid of hippies because of the murders and they weren't sure how deep that shit went with that subculture. Afraid to jail or beat up a hippy because they might come home that night to a dead family.

[@cherrayegullett6175]

Same. I was convinced as a child I was next and lived scared of this story for numerous years.

[@alice5515]

Just finished this book. What a ride. Cheers for all your hard work, Tom!

[@georgeadams8230]

Good interview and solid reporting. It seems like the last 50 plus years millions of dollars have been made off these poor people. This guy is legit but it seems like alot of people are trying to cash in on this tragedy, these were real people. Steve Parent was just 18, Jay Sebring didnt think of himself and tried to defend Sharon which Tex killed him, then you have Sharon pleading for her babies life and calling out to her mother. Yeah, these were real people who's stories were turned into mythology.

[@Rosemary-up1ql]

Let the victims RIP

[@davidmclachlan6592]

....maybe people are just searching for the truth.

[@josephgodfrey7953]

Sharon didn't call for her mother. It was Abigail Folger that cried out for her mother.

[@DollyPocket]

Joe Rogan - calling it what it is ‘Polanski is a monster’ - we need to here that again and again

[@razkable]

Hear

[@stevenee1ply]

He described a 21 century corporate executive. Fierce bullying followed by pathetic begging, then fiercely threatening then grotesque pleading. On and on. No shame and no honour.

[@michaelcomazzi5047]

Yes 👍 he did

[@janberkemeier7406]

"That was the 'first' letter?" "There were *three* of them!" Mr. O'Neill's sudden outburst of almost childlike glee when remembering the (probably equally insane) other letters is frankly adorable.

[@JerryEricsson]

I can remember that as well, I was married to the love of my life in Aug of 69, I lost her to cancer in Aug of 2020. We were listening to the news in our 58 Merc Convertible on our honeymoon in the Black Hills of South Dakota. It was a joyous time for us, the news first said it was a "Hollywood party" gone wrong, and we knew the reputation of those things back in the 60's what with all the drugs and such. Our area was fairly untouched by such things and we were so happy to be so far away from such going on. God how I miss my lovely wife.

[@aspinxo4234]

I watched ‘The Haunting Of Sharon Tate’ it’s about the interview Sharon gave.. It involves Jay Sebring And the house in Benedict Canyon. No, not the house where she and Jay were killed. That was on Cielo, just off Benedict. But the houses can’t be much more than a mile apart. Anyways, Sharon used to date Jay. This was before she met Roman Polanski, the man she married. She and Jay went together for a long time. Jay had just bought the house in Benedict Canyon. It had once been owned by Paul Bern. It was into that house that Bern had brought his bride, Jean Harlow. And it was in that house that Bern had committed suicide. An eery interview with Tate has revealed that in 1967 she had a violent dream so disturbing it haunted her a year later. According to an interview with Dick Kleiner in Fate magazine, Tate thought it was a premonition of some sort and didn’t know how to make of it. August 1, 1968, - almost a year to the day before she was slain in her home - Kleiner asked whether she had any psychic experiences. “Yes, I have had a psychic experience - at least I guess that’s what it was - and it was a terribly frightening and disturbing thing for me. It happened a year or so ago. Maybe you can explain it,” she replied. Tate wasn't sure why but she told Kleiner she couldn't sleep one night: “I had a funny feeling,” she said. Isomewhere between being awake and asleep, she had a vision. “I saw this creepy little man,” she told Kleiner. “He looked like all the descriptions I had ever read of Paul Bern.” According to Tate, the figure entered the bedroom and 'dashed around the room' frightening her so much that she jumped up and ran towards the stairs in her bathrobe. But once she reached the staircase the “dream” only got worse. “I saw something or someone tied to the staircase,” she said. “Whoever it was - and I couldn’t tell if it was a man or a woman but knew somehow that it was either Jay Sebring or me - he or she was cut open at the throat.” She needed a drink, for nerve-steadying purposes. She didn’t know where the bar was. Something told her to open a bookcase. Inside, there was a hidden bar. She poured a shot. There was some wallpaper below the hidden bar. For some reason, she picked at it, tore it away. It covered a lovely copper base to the bar. She wondered why it had been papered over. Strange, how the mind works. Worrying about things like that when ghosts are wandering around upstairs and mutilated bodies are tied to the staircase downstairs. She thought it must have been a dream. She decided to find out and went back upstairs...and fell to sleep. When Jay came back, the next morning, he woke her. She remembered the events of the night before. It must have been a dream - but… “Hey,” he called, “who tore the wallpaper off by the bar down here?” ..... Was the ghost of Paul bern trying to show Sharon something that night? Whatever it was its EERIE af. The movie wasn’t the best but it gives a great insight to her dream

[@jeffblack2458]

and you really believe she had a premonition, rather than just a weird dream? lol.

[@mr.dalerobinson]

@@jeffblack2458 or a regressed memory. The human mind can be fragile, if it knows something too harmful to bear, self defensive amnesia is always available. Maybe it was just something she heard about, or saw. Polanski was into filming amateur rapes according to the gentleman in the video. Maybe it was her unconsious mind trying to fathom a crazy sex video she watched while out of it. I usually go for Occams razor - the theories that are simpler, mundane or well within the abilities of those involved make the most sense. If it features simply the worst of human nature, its the sign its legit.

[@jeffblack2458]

@@mr.dalerobinson he is describing something like a premonition, not a memory of a past event, repressed or not.

[@mr.dalerobinson]

@@jeffblack2458 which is more likely, a psychic premonition that has never been validated as a 'thing', or a well documented aspect of human psychology? Your choice, but I'd go with reality

[@jeffblack2458]

@@mr.dalerobinson Or it could be neither. I once had a dream where I was travelling around the country doing odd farm jobs with Elvis. lol. It wasn't a premonition because Elvis was dead when I had the dream, and it wasn't a memory, because I was only 4 years old when Elvis died. I am a skeptic, and do not believe in anything supernatural. The OP was presenting Sharon's dream as if it was a premonition or had any significance at all. That is what I was asking the OP: If he really thought it was something supernatural. Then you come along with your false dichotomy. lol. On a side note; there is only a claim that Sharon was being raped on the tape, but no evidence to back it up. You shouldn't believe things just because someone said it.

[@brandisify]

If a man ever tells you that there are Bible prophecies about about him, unless he is coming down from the clouds as he's telling you then he's probably lying.

[@dirkdiggler7727]

Whew! Thanks for clearing that up! Lol

[@lukecage3569]

Not necessarily. There are multiple prophecies about this wicked, lying evil generation, the last one. Or how hateful this generation is, disrespectful to parents, to others, how they are rebellious and do whatever they want.

[@chriscueva1866]

Thank God Rick Dalton and Cliff Booth stopped these psychos.

[@caitthecat]

@Snaggle Toothed You must be a hit at parties.

[@ghostwolf1435]

Yup! 😅😅

[@rickyboby560]

@Snaggle Toothed man u are the definition of an r/nice guy

[@tomking7080]

If you have not read Chaos yet, you definitely should. It took Tom over 20 years to write this amazing book which originally started out as a magazine article. Amazing book and highly recommend. I’ve read it twice over the years,it’s just so good

[@JOEYNOSEBEATS]

Between this and JFK, I don't know how Bugliosi slept at night.

[@leodesalis5915]

In silk sheets on a comfortable king size bed

[@JOEYNOSEBEATS]

@@leodesalis5915 cuddling with the corpse of Earl Warren

[@leodesalis5915]

@@JOEYNOSEBEATS probs more than just cuddling 🤢

[@infiniLor]

AND oj

[@deanpd3402]

@@JOEYNOSEBEATS sounds like he didn't.

[@shooglechic]

This is why I think Anthony Bourdain didn't kill himself.

[@thegamingchannel9023]

@Arch Stanton yeah becausse u was there right get a live dude nobody know what happen or whe ever will!!!

[@shooglechic]

@Arch Stanton his career wasn't stained, he was separated from her, he was a huge advocate in the metoo movement. He knew things and that is what caused him to "commit suicide".

[@lordfarquad8913]

@Arch Stanton go take a nap cause you tweaking

[@Calilou52]

@Arch Stanton lol I can tell your wife wears the pants in your relationship

[@andrewtm85]

@@lordfarquad8913 dude needs to take a long nap

[@brooklynzoo2920]

The book is called "Chaos" it's a really awesome read

[@susangavaghan]

The claim that Polanski had forced Sharon to have sex with other men and filmed it came as quite a shock. Although what he did to the 14 year old girl was bad. What I have noticed about him is that all his movies tend to be very dark and involve abuse, often of women. Sharon should have stuck with Jay Sebring, whom she left for Polanski. Jay died while trying to protect her. I believe Manson was just an ex con who had learned mind control techniques while in prison and knew how to say what people wanted to hear. His followers were vulnerable people at a time when young people were looking for gurus and answers. Manson just used and exploited them - although it doesn't excuse what they did. The whole Manson thing never really made any sense to me - the hippy movement was about peace, love and opposition to materialism and the Vietnam war. Murdering innocent people because they were famous and wealthy just didn't add up nor was in keeping with the hippy ethos.

[@skinovtheperineum1208]

Have you seen the little piggies crawling in the dirt? And for all the little piggies life is getting worse. - Beatles; 'Piggies'

[@chasethecat3839]

But the whole Helter Skelter ordeal/story killed the hippy movement. If the c I a wanted to stop the whole peace live, anti war movement, what better way to do it

[@poindextertunes]

yeah the cia definitely infiltrated the counter culture movement. LSD was a big part of the MKULTRA trials as well. They said they discontinued that program but I highly doubt it. Manchurian candidates are a very real thing and scary af

[@tonysienzant6717]

You hinted at it: "opposition to materialism." It's small step from vilifying 'materialism' & then targeting ACTUAL PEOPLE GUILTY OF IT. The same can be said for villainizing terms like 'white privilege' & 'white tears' & even 'white phrases' & how they are a small step at vilifying 'WHITENESS' to then targeting ACTUAL WHITE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSEDLY ALL GUILTY OF IT.

[@AnAntidisestablishmentarianist]

The hippy movement was actually about lazy self-centered hedonism. They invented the peace, love, and anti-materialism narrative as cover and rationalization for their true motives. Hedonists care about no one but themselves and tend to fill up with hatred toward those who have more than them. And of course they're not above lying to present themselves in the best possible light.

[@chriscarter2509]

I think this guy might have written a book and is trying to sell it

[@MrB1923]

No idea what the hell your talking about. Definitely not. Your just making stuff up. 😉

[@Yankeefan2807]

MrB1923 you’re

[@lean4real_11]

Yankeefan0312 your*

[@MrJwyne]

sky *Ur

[@ripdajacker23]

Nonchalont *U’re

[@scottiebones]

Dave McGowan did his own research and made a book on the Laurel canyon musicians from that era and its bizarre links to military intelligence, also linked Manson to all this... Really interesting stuff a good read.

[@whatabouttheearth]

Not the same as this David McGowan kzbin.info/aero/PL3cOKFAZN8DuhuMXnEqph0wdIXRR4rPwG

@@whatabouttheearth no this one duckduckgo.com/?t=ffnt&q=laurel+canyon+david+mcgowan&atb=v201-1&ia=web

[@kerrileelawrence2402]

@@whatabouttheearth David McGowan Wierd Scenes Inside the Canyon and Programmed to Kill.. Derailing Democracy.. Dave Wrote At Least Five or more Books..

[@thisistheworldtoday]

yes McGowan goes deep... Sharons mysterious military father...so few photos or info on him... there is no wedding of Sharon and Polanski with her parents... just a big celeb wedding in Europe with no parents...

[@Cugelclever]

@@thisistheworldtoday Yes, McGowan found things that no one else even thought to look for. I found the whole situation with Sharon Tate's dad strange; how he "went undercover" after her death, pretending to be a hippie... But really, every page is filled with WTF moments. RIP Dave.

[@cmm2145]

Charlie didn’t pick that house. Tex did. Tex had been in LA hanging out with a buddy of his prior to joining The Family. Tex and his buddy had been to 10050 Cielo Dr several times for parties. Tex knew the layout of the house and that made things easier.

[@thewkovacs316]

tex...a two bit drug dealer was hanging with celebs? give me a break charlie himself said it had to do with melcher the labiancas had the family kicked out of a neighbor's home tex was not in control of the cult, charlie was and the only reason tex was at the ranch is because charlie pimped out his girls MANSON WAS A MONSTER

[@matson8008]

@@thewkovacs316 a drug dealer hanging out with celebs, so hard to believe that a "party house" would have drugs around.

[@cmm2145]

@@thewkovacs316 -. Believe what you want. There is no solid “true story” about this. Bugliosi claimed he knew the real story and wrote Helter Skelter to tell it. Helter Skelter is a hotbed of lies. Watch the KZbin videos where Joe Rogan is interviewing Tom O’Neill who wrote the book Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties. I have not read it so I can’t speak to the book, only to what was said in the interviews. Actually there are 2 interviews. 1 about the “Tex tapes” which is 20 hours of conversation between Tex and his lawyer when Tex was first arrested. Whatever is on those tapes is the very first account told by one of the killers of what happened. A week later Susan Atkins version came out. Of course the Tex tapes were under attorney-client privilege. But Tex’s attorney died in 2008 or thereabouts. His law firm went into bankruptcy in 2012 and the tapes were in the custody of the trustee. Somehow LAPD got a hold of them and locked them up. At one point Sharon’s sister Debra and Jay Sebring’s nephew were told to come to a meeting to listen to the tapes. Then the LAPD decided Nope not going to release the tapes because according to LAPD there was stuff on there that had to remain secret because it was somehow pertinent to unsolved crimes and/or pending investigations. What is speculated to be on the tapes is the real motive for the murders and information about other murders that The Manson Family did that are either unknown to the police or unsolved. The other interview is about how the “true story” as per Bugliosi is a crock. It goes into some crazy ass stuff about Bugliosi. He was mentally ill and thought that the milkman was the father of his oldest child and how he stalked and harassed the milkman and his wife. It’s pretty kooky. They also discuss how Bugliosi had witnesses lie under oath and other shenanigans he pulled to try to ensure he got a conviction on the girls and Charlie. And that was a tough one. He had to prove conspiracy, that Charlie ordered the murders because Charlie was not present at either the Tate house or the LaBianca house *while* the murders were taking place. Bugliosi was NOT about to lose to a group of killer hippies so he did whatever he could to increase his chances of winning whether it was legal, ethical, moral or not. Here’s the deal about Tex and 10050 Cielo Dr. Tex came to California to hang with one of his buddies. He was probably there for a couple of months at least before he joined The Family. Tex and his buddy were just kickin’ it. Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ roll. I’m not sure if the parties started while Melcher lived there or when Sharon did. Could be both. I don’t know a whole lot about Melcher. But Roman was a beast. He regularly had drug fueled orgies at the house and he videoed them to watch with his friends. He forced Sharon to participate against her will. I don’t think there was a doorman with a guest list screening who entered. If there was an orgy going on and people were high, I doubt if anyone gave a sh*t who came in. So, yeah, in the “sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ roll” years in the late ‘60’s people were more carefree about who they partied with, about hitchhiking, and about who they had sex with. Charlie himself hob nobbed with famous people - Dennis Wilson of The Beach Boys (Charlie and the Family moved right on in to Dennis’ house and lived there for a while), so Charlie met Brian Wilson and Mike Love. Charlie knew Neil Young. They were friends. Charlie saw Sharon Tate a few times at Dennis’ house. Charlie was actually on the guest list of some celebrities. He was on the guest list for a party at Mama Cass Elliot’s house so he knew The Mamas and the Papas. Charlie met Michael Caine, Jackson Browne, and Angela Lansbury’s daughter Didi. Charlie himself might’ve said it had to do with the Tooth Fairy. You can’t believe anything Charlie said. He was a habitual liar. He was a con man. He told people what they wanted to hear, true or not. He was also manipulative.So “Charlie said” is less than nothing. There is zero credibility with what he said. Here’s why it DIDN’T have to do with Melcher even if Melcher and his mother Doris Day thought so. Charlie knew that Melcher did not live in that house anymore. He had gone to the house to talk to Melcher on the night that Sharon was packing for her trip to Europe. Her photographer was there and he answered the door. Charlie asked for Melcher. The photographer said that no one by that name lived there. Charlie asked to use the phone. Sharon went to get it and before she got back the photographer had told Charlie to get lost. The photographer said maybe Melcher lived in the guest house. But he told Manson to walk along the dirt path and not across the yard to get to the guest house. It was the owner of the property Rudy Altobelli who was living in the guesthouse. He told Charlie that Melcher had moved out months ago and that Charlie should get off the property and quit bothering his tenets. Rudy Altobelli was also leaving for Europe the next day on the same plane as Sharon. This is why the caretaker William Garretson was living in the guesthouse at the time of the murders. Sharon came back home before Altobelli did because she was waiting for her baby to be born. Roman Polanski was still in London working on a film. He came home as soon as he heard the news. Not only did Charlie know that Melcher didn’t live in the house on Cielo Drive anymore, he actually knew where Melcher was living at the time which was in his mother’s beach house. Charlie knew where the beach house was, so if he had wanted to hurt or kill Melcher he knew where to go to do that or where to send his followers to do that. Apparently he had no intention of that because Melcher was left safe and sound. In fact, there are witnesses who saw Manson and Melcher together in the same place talking two separate times after the murders. So if Charlie wanted Melcher dead, Melcher would’ve been dead. I believe that there are a couple of reasons why Manson targeted the LaBiancas. First, as you say, at one time Manson and the family were living in an RV or something in the driveway of Harold True’s house which is two doors down from the LaBiancas. They were partying of course and making a lot of noise. Charlie believed that the LaBiancas were the one who called a noise complaint in to the Police. Also Charlie had been driving around LA for 3 hours looking for a house to hit. He looked at one but saw children’s toys through the window and left. I guess he didn’t want to kill or traumatize kids. He didn’t want to hit the house next door to Harold True’s because he thought that choosing the house next door could point the police towards him. Also The Family needed money and fast. Bobby Beausoleil had gotten a bad batch of mescaline from Gary Hinman and sold it to the Straight Satans biker gang. The bikers wanted their money back or they were going to kill Charlie and others. Bobby tortured Gary for 2-3 days. Gary never gave the money back. Charlie gave the kill order and Bobby killed Gary. But they still didn’t have money. They got $70 the night before at the Tate house but that wasn’t enough. I don’t know if they knew the LaBiancas owned a chain of grocery stores or not but they knew they were well off. That’s where they got the rest of the money apparently since the Straight Satans didn’t kill them. Charlie was in control of The Family, not Tex. That’s true. But Charlie put Tex in charge of the murders since Charlie wasn’t going to be there to give moment by moment orders. The girls were told to do whatever Tex said. Tex met Charlie when Tex was hitchhiking and Dennis Wilson picked him up and Dennis took Tex to Dennis’ house. Charlie and the Family were living there at the time. Tex and Charlie hit it off right away and with the sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ roll that Charlie and Dennis were handing out, Tex found himself a home. I’m not disputing the fact that Charlie was a monster. He absolutely was. But Tex was a monster too. And I think Tex is actually the bigger monster because Tex actively participated in every single murder except Gary Hinman. That’s 8 people and a viable unborn baby. The girls helped with the killing but Tex personally shot, stabbed, tried to strangle, beat, kicked , and or pistol whipped every last one except Hinman. That’s up close and personal brutal bloody murder. He felt their warm blood. He saw it. Her saw the terror on their faces, he heard their cries and he felt nothing. No empathy, no mercy, no remorse, nothing. Tex and Charlie were both sociopaths/psychopaths I’m saying Tex was worse, but really we don’t know which one was worse.

[@miguelito2361]

I know basically nothing about all of this, but the official narrative always struck me as being dubious. If they were sent to kill someone who didn't live there anymore, why not just take off after realizing he wasn't there? I think Manson & his pals knew a lot more about what went on in Polanski's house than we've been led to believe. Maybe he knew about the underaged stuff or maybe he didn't, but I think if that place wasn't an orgy crib, Manson's friends wouldn't have been there murdering people.

[@cmm2145]

@@miguelito2361- There’s a lot of dubious stuff about this. Bugliosi’s book Helter Skelter just adds more. There are some plausible reasons. In the late ‘60’s it certainly did appear that a race war might break out. I don’t think Charlie actually believed what he preached on that though. He used it to manipulate and control his followers by fear. If you’re with Charlie and he’s telling you that soon a race war will break out and he’s the only one who can keep you safe in his hidey hole in the desert you’re going to be scared and you’ll be sticking with Charlie. and doing as he tells you. They weren’t sent to kill someone who didn’t live there. Charlie knew Melcher didn’t live there anymore. Charlie also knew exactly where Melcher did live. If Charlie had wanted Melcher dead, Melcher would’ve been dead. Charlie’s orders to Tex were to kill everyone who was there. I’m not sure if Charlie knew which house they were going to or not. Tex picked the house because he knew the layout. I don’t think Charlie cared which house they went to. He just wanted it to be the house of famous well off white people. I’ve never heard of your speculation about Charlie knowing about Roman and underage girls. It is possible, though. Roman was a beast. Before he married Sharon he told her that she was not to try to change him. Meaning that he was promiscuous. He hosted and attended orgies. He was going to have affairs with whoever, wherever. He would go out trolling for hookers and once he found one he brought her home to have a threesome with him and Sharon despite Sharon’s protest. There’s one video that had Sharon being forced to have sex with 2 men at the same time. Sharon protests and Roman’s voice can be heard although he’s never seen. Apparently he was the one filming it. It just all sounds like a big mess to me. I want them all kept in prison until they die just like Susan and Charlie. Steve Grogan is the only one of the killers who’s been released. He only participated in 1 murder - Donald “Shorty” Shea. He was 17 at the time of the murder and he had some kind of mental disorder or developmental delay. The police said that if he’d show them where Shea was buried, they’d get him released on parole. He showed them, he got released in 1985 and as far as I know he hasn’t done any criminal activity since being released. So I’m ok with him being out. The others - Patricia, Leslie, Tex, Bobby Davis, and Bobby Beausoleil can stay in prison until they die.

[@smuschlitz]

This is the first time I've ever heard anything about Roman being abusive to Sharon. Although, I've always wondered if Roman could've possibly orchestrated the whole thing. After listening to this guy, it doesn't seem so crazy. If Roman truly was a monster, then he could have easily paid Terry to hire someone to get rid of Sharon. So Terry seeks out Manson, who may have been the one lunatic he knew who could pull this off. If the payment was setup as half upfront, and rest paid after the deed was done, it would've given Terry a very legitimate reason to visit Manson at the ranch after the murders. I've always been unusually attached to this case, and after watching Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, all I could think of was why anyone that wealthy would leave their pregnant spouse alone, without any security measures in place. It makes more sense than attacking just a random house, for some obscure vendetta against the previous tenants.

[@christineobrien7707]

Now you just gave me something to think about! I never looked at this topic in this light Thanks 😎👍

[@francescaderimini2931]

Look up Roman Polanski abortion Tate on google. I read the book by Ed Sanders and according Sharon’s friends, Polanski wanted to fly Tate down to Brazil to have a partial birth abortion by a witch Doctor! Interesting don’t you think?

[@chickenlover657]

Nah.

[@jasongrange4376]

Wait, so is that a the thesis of the book? Or presented as a possibility?

[@mckou1547]

I have heard that Polanski is a satanist. If that is true, sacrificing his child through murder would, in his mind, earn him great favor from satan.

Joe should have read his damn book would make this conversation much better

[@MrB1923]

Not sure if he can read.

[@troymash8109]

Total waste of time. This dude says a whole lot of nothing. Must be a filler episode.

[@lean4real_11]

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[@Thecrazygamers2000]

he read like 11 out of 13 chapters and was trying to finish it before he was on

[@aphysique]

Yes Joe didn't do his due diligence .. definitely not

[@mattkaustickomments]

I always thought the motive was squirrelly. But I still believe most of the correct people were sent to prison.

[@aryka922]

Is nobody going to bring up the elephant in the room here? Roman Polanski. How is he NOT involved in the CIA op?!

[@aryka922]

@w I know. He mentioned him...what he implied leads to a much deeper "conspiracy".

[@photosynthesis69]

Akyra Warren also D.B. Cooper

[@RegionalRadioShackManager]

Akyra Warren facts

[@CelticBadBoyPoet7]

Yeah & Guess Who RFK Had Dinner With The Night Before he Was Assassinated in Cali...RP & Tate!

[@younggrinch2826]

Michael Ficarro he fled the country and just never came back

[@ReganMason-x9y]

When I read the book "Helter Skelter," I learned that Charlie Manson had been to the Tate house before. He was rejected in the "rock" world. They all should have gotten the death penalty for what they did.

[@Lily-wp8ol]

They DID get the death penalty! California got rid of the death penalty later.