Why Accelerator Can Easily Beat Touma

[@AeonofHorus]

Btw today is Touma day! Check out these vids on our boi for the occasion!: kzbin.info/aero/PL1xptGd6vOPpQaa0EiO9ziPlAOJYikxBT 👊

[@scarlet2766]

i’m a toma fan , but i think he should died , accelerator could of chuck a container at him in the first fight , done series end , no need for powers like what barcode red hair guy did, pull a glock on toma

[@stevieveringus3857]

@@scarlet2766 Accelerator did chuck containers and railings, it doesn't work like that. Also many people used gun against Touma. It's painful, but doesn't work fully.

[@Aihana_Etsu]

The way I look at it, is that when Accelerator feels that he has a reason he has to truly fight Touma, he's probably not going to be in the mental state to win that fight, and if he's in a mental state where he can properly fight and beat Touma, he wouldn't fight Touma from the start because he'd realise that doing so wouldn't benefit him at all.

[@AeonofHorus]

I suppose so 👀

[@L0L246]

Well if he feels he has a good reason to fight hell win but if he dosent hell lose eveytime he fought toma he was in conflict with himself

[@dpolaristar4634]

I think the issue is that Saints have visual perception that matches their speed and can disengage and move around more dexterously with their speed while Accelerator catapults himself but his sense can't keep up, this was a point in his fight vs Elizard in NT22R. Touma can predict Accelerator trajectory where he can't easily change his per-determined path after a certain speed while Saints can use their speed in a more coordinated and agile manner.

[@AeonofHorus]

Yeah that makes a lot of sense

[@acrsclspdrcls1365]

It's a matter of ranged attacks, then. If Accel chose to throw cars and tables at Touma and keep his distance the guy's fucked.

[@moonum4567]

I would say this is true as well, except that Esper's do indeed have enhanced acuity and reaction times. Kakine and Rensa were battling at blinding speeds (equivalent to machine gun fire/sewing needle speeds during their wing slap fight. Wanna know how fast those are? kzbin.info-lpJC750S8s) while Mikoto reacted to a Saint and apparently fought a jet. These aren't done by people with weak visual acuity, I'd say it falls behind but Kakine and Accelerator are the cream of the crop, so its highly likely that the movement being performed was faster than sound.

[@acrsclspdrcls1365]

@@moonum4567 Accelerator however is very predictable with his attacks, Kakine Mikoto and other Espers arent as powerful as Accel is so they compensate with their agility and reflexes, Accelerator's power is so broken though that he never needs to evade attacks. Touma remarked that Accelerator never learned to fight properly due to his raw power, which gave Touma the edge in most of their fight. When his powers were limited due to the injuries however he learns to fight a lot smarter, and be less reliant on his powers, though this lessened a bit after his White Wings emerged. Tl;dr, Accel is strong but unskilled.

[@dpolaristar4634]

@@moonum4567 There are some things your leaving out, one Mikoto could ONLY react to a Saint with the aid of her radar, the narration states that Brunhild disappeared from her Kinetic vision, same with Salome, in on side story when a normal anti skill dude gets gear that is coating with anti-radar coating used in Stealth Planes Mikoto has a much harder time reacting to him despite him being a normal dude. In the Kakine vs Rensa fight its explicitly stated they were both going faster than their senses could keep up and just flinging themselves around haphazardly because both could survive doing so. Kakine's wings also have a bit of automatically built into them in terms of reacting to attacks, probably has his own set of Dark Matter particles that act as probes and early warnings. Accelerator explicitly when fighting Elizard was briefly outspeed by Elizard moving faster than his Kinetic Vision could keep up in the narration.

[@ginnungagapabyss5639]

A video on thanksgiving about a man that slaughtered thousands, and made peace with the one’s he slaughtered, pretty accurate with thanksgiving.

[@AeonofHorus]

BRUHHHHH

[@pierocolombo2643]

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@timothyjupiter5748]

Dammmnnn XD

[@thomasravard7127]

1 thing I notice, you didn't bring out something: touma managed to survive certain death attacks and one of the reason is shown early in the novels and anime. I talk about the cellular-level regeneration that imagine breaker brings to the table: when touma saves index from the alchemist, he loses his right arm and "heaven canceller" even states how surprised he is that touma's arm seemed to reattach itself once they put the stump and the cut arm in contact. It is also shown during the saint-germain possession where touma's body was self destruction due to both esper and magic being in one body, imagine breaker reduced its supernatural suppression focus to repair touma's body. It means in no unclear terms that unless you kill touma in a non-supernatural way AND exhaust imagine breaker's powers, killing touma would be extremely long and painfull for the one doing it, ko-ing him is possible but killing him near impossible (the series sometimes implies that IB litteraly resurrected touma).

[@AeonofHorus]

I mean, killing him quickly has proven to be possible: just look at Aradia and Othinus who could one shot him instantly. But fair point about his wounds, I often found it weird how Touma would get injured at times and then it would never be mentioned again so I guess that is an explanation for it.

[@thomasravard7127]

@AeonofHorus if I remember correctly, the earth mage of the papacy (the one who got killed in the 3rd season) might have mentioned that he might have met with touma's predecessor as well as the fact that imagine breaker is alive and could use its powers for the sake of the host if IT is fond enough of the current host. Also, one thing that you can infer from the infos gained in NT arc with Kamijo no Touma about the nature of the "dragons" (like how KnT is literally the feelings touma repressed + his lost memories, or how touma became a dragon when IB recognised KnT as the "true" touma then exchanged them when touma answered to misaki's whistle (the only bond she has left with touma AND reality when she used it)).

[@thomasravard7127]

@AeonofHorus also, just to point it out, but when touma was one-shoted by olthinus, he "recovered", even for a magic god it is difficult to resurect someone because even magic is bound by natural rules (for example most magics are elementaly bound and healing magic only sped up the natural process. Heck, even the aztec assassin was bound to use skin of someone to disguise as them and reflect light. Even olthinus' boat was explained that it doesn't teleport but in fact rotate the world in an instant and somewhat makes it imaterial, her words to touma when he was worried about IB interfering with her boat's "teleportation")

[@tonyinfinite5174]

Dude Coronzon melted Touma completely and that villain was last Testament

[@justice32legends]

It has been implied several times over in LN that Accelerator could beat Touma easily, he just never managed to. Also, mind you we're still far from knowing Touma's hidden powers despite the series having covered this far. As the series progress, Touma's capabilities are being revealed, slowly but surely.

[@cretaceouscrusader661]

Was reading the 'Commom place to World's strongest' light novels the other day and they referenced "a certain misfortunate boy who goes around punching people into living their lives correctly." Always nice when one thing I like gives a nod to another thing I like.

[@pierocolombo2643]

Wait i also read arifureta long ago 😂which vol was it?? Yeah its great how Toaru has inspired or fueled other novels to go deep on their worldbuilding

[@lordrj4203]

Atleast it has one redeeming point lol

[@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster]

5:54. Listening to what has already happened in the LN makes me want to see this animated in the anime 😭. And why they have wasted so many years makes me even more sad because they could of realistically had all this done😔. Look how many years they went without making any Index or Railgun Season.

[@tristanboss7319]

Few things 1- Kimi herself said the dragon was weak in her hands. The reason is because she was unconsciously limited the power to what she could handle, which wasn't much compared to touma. After the dragon took over it started growing and if it hadn't been stopped would've had the full power of a black hole(and it's probably stronger in touma's hands). Using misaka to scale against it is a bad idea. 2- The temple is located in the ship, it's not the whole ship. Even in the ship, you need god-level power to destroy the temple. Otherwise aleister(who was powered up by the tower of babylon) would've done so. 3- Choronzon confirmed even in her energy/soul form she had enough power to destroy half the universe, so even lowballed, fisheggs one-shot a being that can destroy half the universe. 4- Aleister said when fisheggs was released it permanently changed the world's circulation. 5- All touma needs to beat accelerator is dragon shell+ IB. Dragon shell gives him saint-level reaction speed(he could always keep up with accel even with just precog), the dragon isn't be affected by a handgun, and his feats against awaiss show he could indeed react to accelerator's invisible energy. There is no evidence he can overpower IB. Soul projection, on top of likely not working on touma, won't work without the sister's help. Touma can just rip Accel's face off in dragon shell.

[@joshuapatterson8269]

Honesty Touma with IB and Precognition is the probably the most fairest. And yes I'm being serious because the fact that Touma literally dodge a unavoidable attack in NT9, but your probably wondering how's he gonna do damage simple he can either A. Do what he did before and use a rock, without accelerator knowing, B. Hit him in his vital spots like the neck or ear. Or C. Just yank the collar off his neck since he's able to do so.

[@apex9806]

@@joshuapatterson8269 The collar thing doesnt work if he has his Wings activated. Once Accel gets wings, he doesnt need the choker.

[@izzymosley1970]

One thing that I find very funny about tarou power scaling is that because the way the tarou universe is made with phases it means technically characters like touma can be power scaled to high hyperversal so even though what I'm about to say sounds really messed up it's possible that touma might be able to one shot Goku through his pure strength which sounds really funny to say but the messed up part is it might be true.

[@AeonofHorus]

Touma can null Magic God attacks but him vs Goku is a weird one, I'm not sure currently he has the feats to one shot Goku atm

[@gooda2x857]

He cannot one shot goku at all

[@Tony-sx3nf]

I guess when you say pure strength you mean using IT

[@1wayroadAccel.]

@@gooda2x857 whatever makes u sleep at nights boy

[@gooda2x857]

@@1wayroadAccel. goku is casually multiversal at this point, the powers beyond the hand don’t have enough feats to suggest he can win let alone one shot

[@apbuggygaming]

I think the best way to describe this matchup is basically we cannot truly know due to lack of information to work off of, but with what we're given, Accelerator seems favored.

[@treewood4090]

The fisheggs are arguably higher than accelerator since 1: it can destroy the barrier of the ship (which is tmg level) 2: it can affect beings/souls from da'at

[@joshuapatterson8269]

What is your counter argument whenever someone brings up the fact that it’s weaker on the inside because of the whole boomerang effect thing

[@Raul_T]

Accelerator using his hidden weapon... Gun. Had me rolling on the floor.

[@nioevangelista5336]

I agree that the current Accel can beat Base Kamijou. He wouldn't even need the powers, just the Smartphone would be more than enough, but it's too early to tell if Accel could perfectly reflect IT/Fisheggs. Accel always struggles every time he encounters something new that his "filters" don't perceive as a threat. The magnitude of something doesn't matter for its power, it's not a physical barrier after all. Even after he "added" magic to his personal reality using Index's song, he could only partially protect himself from Gabriel's "meteor shower" and almost died in the process. Accel couldn't perfectly reflect Coronzon's "abyss magic" at the beginning of NT22 even though he received some of Qlipah's knowledge, only after he crossed the abyss with Qlipah's help and gained the platinum wings did he gain the knowledge to make him immune to Coronzon's magic. But it is practically impossible that he has knowledge of whatever is IT/Fisheggs. Coronzon clearly did not, so it is impossible that Qlipah did. So in my opinion it's 50/50, if he can reflect perfectly (which I highly doubt. That would be a Huuuge assumption), it's over for Kamijou, if not, he takes all the damage to the face and dies or takes partial damage and is seriously injured.

[@bigbymoon5707]

"he has something more simple called gun" bro I died XD

[@Depressed_korean]

Watch as Touma somehow wins and tells Accelerator that just because he is correct doesn't mean he is right.

[@AeonofHorus]

Such wisdom

[@RiseStreamer]

And then a certain person told Touma to stop from attacking accelerator because "People die when they are killed"

[@athanfrost9919]

Shirou Emiya reference?

[@UnknownUser049]

@@athanfrost9919 Satan?

[@user-xn2gd8kz1m]

Maybe touma is the reincarnation of seigi no mikata

[@legend1385]

Happy Touma Day! 🥳 (Good Video!) It's been a debate for quite a while but I think it's quite obvious that a Base Touma can't do much to Accelerator. While precognition will keep him perceptive he is limited to the ground and Accelerator can do long range attacks that will eventually overwhelm Touma, he is limited to a human body after all, he can't dodge forever. Close range is the only thing Accelerator can't beat him at. In terms of the "Beyond the Right Hand'' I still do firmly believe that it has too many unknown factors for Accelerator to understand and calculate against. Aleister is afraid of whatever is inside him for a reason. However Accelerator might not even attack his arm, so we might never get to know the true anwser to this unless Touma can bring "IT" out willingly. We saw him try in NT13 and something broke but we never got a follow up.

[@AeonofHorus]

On that last bit you mentioned, idk if you're caught up with GT?

[@legend1385]

@@AeonofHorus Yeah I read up to GT6 so I'm very interested in where this "Anna" storyline is going.

[@youraverageteaenjoyer.]

How to defeat Touma in 6 easy steps 1. Place Touma and (CURRENT FEMALE LEAD) in a building with a Bathroom containing a shower 2. Wait untilll (CURRENT FEMALE LEAD) is showering 3. Via divine intervention Touma will enter the Bathroom 4. The (CURRENT FEMALE LEAD) will knock out Touma 5. Detonate the explosives surrounding the plutonium crore causing it to go supercritical 6. The.following explosion will convert matter into energy causing it to vaporize everything in a short distance

[@joshuapatterson8269]

That is the most W take I have ever seen! 😂😂

[@pierocolombo2643]

Im laughing so hard at least lmao

[@kamijounotouma5596]

Instruction unclear. Now (CURRENT FEMALE LEAD) is attempting a rape on Touma.

[@1wayroadAccel.]

Lmao

[@bisayafascist5725]

As a matter of fact that won't even kill Touma because of IB, he would have a fate like Hisashi Ouchi's only this time he'll suffer until IB leaves him.

[@accxlxrxtxr9107]

Tbh Aeon I’ve always seen this scenario as going two ways, either Touma or Accelerator wins due to each simply playing their cards right, but I do commend you for trying to silence all the Accelerator and Touma fanboys lol

[@AeonofHorus]

Thanks kek

[@RussianGuyBro]

Not just Touma's IT, but Platinum Wings Accel needs more feats, as well. We almost dont know shit about the new tree 😭

[@AeonofHorus]

Very true, although Clonoth is basically just the Misaka Network

[@1wayroadAccel.]

Technically you are right

[@RiseStreamer]

Not gonna lie, when I heard accelerator planted a new "tree" on the universe, I was imagining giant accelerator walking in space then plant a tree besides 2 other trees

[@ZenWeiYing]

@@RiseStreamer That would probably make Accel OP af 💀

[@OthinusTheGod]

This is the type of video I would make! Love to see the respect on Accelerator. Happy thanks giving buddy! ALSO WAS THAT A YUGIOH CARD AT 3:28????? HEYOOOOO PREDAPLANT MONSTER?

[@accxlxrxtxr9107]

OTHINUS the goat

[@AeonofHorus]

Yesssssss

[@bernkastel7435]

0:23 funny considering that's how he won against komaba and Amata 1:18 Not true that was the case before he started his fight with Touma but in that fight itself He was capable of making strategies which could potentially kill touma and even found out about Precognition. 1:28 that's literally 2nd fight of them He wasn't berserk when he was fighting and wasn't doing mindless attacks 2:12 even if he doesn't touma himself can rush into Accelerator and can also counter his long range attacks with Ib + Precognition 2:47 but there is a catch he isn't Saint and Precognition works better against espers 3:34 But that isn't his actual ability he would be just using borrowed weapons from Aleister to win against one on one battle. If we count that as a "power" we could also use Other allies of Touma's who are technically his powers because he wins lot of battles because of team work soo we could use that to counter those adversaries of non Magical borrowed weapons 3:57 Not really unless Touma lets accel attack him and he doesn't fight back than yea 4:40 It has Fiamma's attack was supposed to be a planets destroyer capable attack 6:25 I think Index said somewhere that to destroy the temple the person needs power equal to magic god and i think you mentioned it there in the video later 7:22 which is now because in gt it was pointed out by Anna and Aradia in epilogue of gt7 that Touma's imagine breaker isn't properly connected and it already went through lot with Knt, Anna pill and Alice and stuff 8:09 Touma has better experience regarding battle strategy and in actual fights against strong people.

[@AeonofHorus]

The novel states that Accelerator's brain felt like he was splitting in two and he was enraged, after having an existential crisis moments prior and blaming Touma for not being there to save Last Order in his place, he was certainly vulnerable and not sound of mind imo. Regardless of he was able to deduce Touma precog, Accel is intelligent enough for that, but on an emotional level he was not prepared. Bruh, you can't compare being given Aleister's phone to having direct allied help. That's like saying he can't use his choker cos HC gave it him, or Harry Potter can't use his wand cos he was given it. Equipment counts in battles, it's like having Stiyl without any rune cards or Kanzaki without her sword lol. And the temple scan refers to the barrier if you look closely and read within the context of what was going on. Also my god, this was the biggest "WELL ACKTUALLY" comment I've ever received.

[@bernkastel7435]

@@AeonofHorus yea he was emotional not in right place but was he doing mindless attacks??? No Those were properly thought out strategies In that moment which we're executed properly. Actually You can. Imo AC weapons are as strong as a Level 4 esper or maybe some capable of challenging people above misaka. If Accelerator using those Weapons to his advantage against Touma is "OK" on his one on one EQUAL fight which would be like cheating soo touma getting help from his allies shouldn't matter. Because at the end those weapons are outside phenomenon and isn't related to his platinum wings Even if it refers to the barrier it does need power equal to or greater to magic god. >Well actually Comment I had to do that because the video felt like biased in lot of places to some extent (understandable considering it's your own opinion but some are trying to make it as facts in this comment section) but you underestimated & dismissed Touma's feats and IT (against Fiamma) feats.

[@stevieveringus3857]

@@AeonofHorus why are you still insisting on the wrong "emotional drawback" excuse on Accelerator when author himself said otherwise? At this rate your bias on Accel becomes too conspicuous. Once - alright. Twice - still okay. Thrice and more - it just feels like you don't want to learn.

[@yuuotosaka116]

@@AeonofHorus their just doubting Accelerator.

[@bernkastel7435]

@@yuuotosaka116 nah you just overestimate him that's all.

[@acrsclspdrcls1365]

As a Touma fan I agree with this video. Until we get more of IB and the powers within serious Accel will stomp Touma.

[@tonyinfinite5174]

Man can't wait till Touma fully unlocked Precognition I'm about to just sidestep all your attacks when you throw em out

[@vic38878]

For his neutral special, 3:44 he wields a gun

[@alsosprachzarathustra4756]

Like Joker in smash

[@AeonofHorus]

😂😂😂😂

[@Gang_Life.]

8:15 The only way for Accelerator to get out of prison is if Esther came and talk him through out of all this (my opinion)

[@kamijounotouma5596]

Bruh. Pretty sure Accel barely even remember Esther, how would she even convince him if Yomikawa seemingly failed to do it?

[@Gang_Life.]

@@kamijounotouma5596 because Yomikawa doesn't have love towards Accel. Esther has.

[@kamijounotouma5596]

@@Gang_Life. But Yomikawa is his caretaker, and has spend much more time with Accelerator. Not to mention she's actually a part of Accelerator's little Family. Prettu sure Esther don't have any romantic feeling towards him, its mostly just respet and graditude. And even if she did, Accel isn't even romance type-of guy.

[@Gang_Life.]

@@kamijounotouma5596 L

[@kamijounotouma5596]

@@Gang_Life. lol. Ok.

[@joshuapatterson8269]

Honestly............There both kinda evenly matched if you think about it. I know some people can argue that accelerator can just aim a gun to his head and change the vectors to shoot Touma, but given the Touma has survived worse and even dodge an "unavoidable" attack (Othinus arrows in nt9) though to be fair he had to go through 10 thousand deaths to avoid it tho. Edit: Also I think there's a miscommunication on there 2nd fight because I don't think accelerator was going mad considering he was able to figure out how touma could dodge his attacks.

[@AeonofHorus]

Touma would prob be able to survive gunshot wounds depending where it hits him, like when he took shots from Aleister. But in order to dodge it he would need the battle exp. He was already emotionally distressed from his exchange with Worst and was blaming Touma for his problems. I don't think he was stable mentally at all, hence why he still had his black wings which usually appear when he is overflowing with negative emotions.

[@sshiroyakuza]

So you think if Accelerator decides to make a 2 mile radius fissure to swallow up Touma, he could escape it? Let's not forget Accelerator can manipulate wind and earth from long ranges and quite easily snipe out Touma in ways he can't fully escape or negate. While flying nonetheless.

[@kenshanparchman6838]

@@AeonofHorus On the other hand, He was still stable enough to realize Touma had precognition and immediately make a list of ways to beat and even try them out. I don't think the mental state really played a role in him losing.

[@AeonofHorus]

@@kenshanparchman6838 So? You can still try logically analyse your opponent while in a fight (especially with Accelerator's supercomputer brain) and not be in the right emotional headspace. It's like when a boxer would be distressed due to some personal loss or life event where he's not fighting at his best but can still notice patterns in the fight. He was literally having an existential crisis and PTSD a few moments prior from nearly killing Worst.

[@stevieveringus3857]

@@AeonofHorus Then you should count the fact that Touma has lost his confidence from Fiamma's declaration and facing Accelerator wasn't on the menu seconds before. Accelerator pulled out some of their best tactical moves in this fight to date, and author has mentioned explicitly they were holding "nothing back" in this fight. Accelerator mind also works in "one way fashion". They wanted to kill Touma, and see if he survives any obstacle they throw at him. So full focus goes towards that direction. Past events don't matter. If Accelerator is currently going through any epiphany, author WILL mention it as it's important in their character development. However, ENTIRE FIGHT WAS MOSTLY FROM ACCELERATOR PoV and we see them calmly calculating stuff. You see, this was a good foreshadowing of Touma's ad-libbing prowess pointed out in NT 8. Regarding what you are saying, it's fine to be an opinion at best, as you said in the video.

[@mattsrak4131]

As of now, yeah. There is a visible possibility that Accelerator can defeat Touma now. And your analysis is real accurate. But for me, at this point, I'd only want to bet on who makes the better move/reaction. As you said, too many unknown factors. And on my part, I would try to think deep through the theory with, like I said, who makes the better move, who takes the situation to his own advantage, in the fastest way possible ; regardless of each other's arsenals and how we scaled these two in terms of power in Top Strongest list. At least, that's my take on this theory. That is my very thinking process on this one. So, thanks a lot for this one, Aeon.

[@AeonofHorus]

No problem!

[@patrickcromwell7554]

I always approached this particular question to individual circumstances. In their first meeting where Touma was protecting the sisters Accelerator was essentially training his powers to shift from 5 - 6; so he was entirely focused on using ONLY his powers. The idea that anyone could have ANY ability to stop him was simply incomprehensible. he tosses people around like rag dolls and suddenly here's this level 0 who is not only NOT getting tossed around but actually disrupting Accelerator's abilities and confusing him. also AS a level 0 Touma is more physically active than Accelerator and for the first time in probably years someone landed an actual punch on him. He's getting psyched out by what - in his experience - is impossible. So, CAN Accelerator beat Kamijo, Yes. Fairly easily actually. However if the right circumstances present themselves, Kamijo CAN also turn the tables. In that way it's kind of like a Wolverine and Sabertooth fight. BOTH have been shown to decimate the other in seconds flat and have been shown to go toe to toe for hours at a time.

[@joshuapatterson8269]

I got nothing better to do so I’m just gonna point out some misconceptions or things that are flat out wrong in this video(even though it’s a year old 😅) 1:05 And that touma was also nerfed in this fight due to him being injured by misakas electricity on the bridge, and that touma was only throwing jabs in the novel instead of straight up hits because he was afraid of accelerator touching him. 1:18 True, but that didn’t affect him during the fight with Touma since he was able to figure out touma’s precognition. And that Kamachi himself said they both went all out. 2:44 Touma was able to react to accelerators attacks during there third fight, and had reacted to opponents way faster than accelerator like Fiammas HR, Othinus Crossbow, and even index’s John Pens mode 3:05 Only for a short number of times because even accelerator mentions that he can’t fly for too long. 3:16 That is not apart of accelerator’s abilities so that shouldn’t count in the fight, and if your gonna give him that anyway you may as well give touma his fraction since that is something he has earned as well 3:54 I sincerely hope you didn’t just indirectly say that “Touma won because of plot” 4:19 No, but he did see toumas dragon arm in the image that you shown beforehand so he has some idea 😅 4:30 He dosen’t need to cut Toumas arm off for touma to use them since touma was about to use it in NT13 4:49 IT was able to mess up Kamisato in there fight in NT 5:10 That’s because Kimi wasn’t a good power source for the dragon and was weakened, plus before that they were able to tank multiple stronger railguns, and the iron sand didn’t do anything either 5:30 This is before GT9 but even than we knew that BTRH didn’t operate as magic or science so I doubt accelerator would have been able to stalemate them anyway and the fact that some of the dragons can just turn the air into poison so they don’t really need to touch accelerator anyway. 5:54 I could be misremembering this but wasn’t it actually the tree that shook the galaxy instead of Accelerator? Again I could be wrong about that. 6:43 I’f that’s true than how come aleister didn’t just blow up the barrier when he was being powered up since he was inside the barrier, also the Fish eggs were able to paralyzed coronzon in her Daat form which is something the magic gods couldn’t touch. 7:31 This is supposed to be a hypothetical scenario where they are both going all out when in canon they would never do this, so that argument kinda makes this video useless. 8:03 He dosen’t really need another one (even though he kinda sorta got it in GT9😅) he just needs a rock+Precognition and he’s good to go. I know this is kinda obvious but this video was heavily bias because you downplayed touma quite a-bit, and left out a lot of information but that’s ok we all make mistakes, still love you aeon ❤

[@ottocamacho7916]

the thumbnail is precious

[@AeonofHorus]

Glad you like it :^)

[@stevieveringus3857]

This will be fun. Because I already know what you will say on the video before seeing it. Note: I don't really want to go towards the power level of Fish Eggs or Platinum Wings. Or even Dragons. Those are for powerscalers to argue. If I use CAPS, I am using them so that a big boring YT essay don't need too much re-reading. Note that, in the first fight, TOUMA WAS ALSO NOT IN A GOOD FORM. Weakened from Misaka's lightning, he focussed on quick, light jabs. Accelerator took a lot of them too, without knocking out cold. Remember, Touma could have simply inserted a sharp object between his fingers to cut Accelerator throat while the no. 1 was on their back... Not to mention the amount of luck Accelerator had to survive the Dust explosion. Too experimental for their own good. The whole fight was very story and character oriented. No real capabilities tested... And then. 1:15 "Wasn't exactly sound on mind... " Explicitly contradicted by author who said they both went all out TRULY this time. Accelerator figured out how to deal with IB. They even figured out Precognition. Tried strategies against BOTH. Used hundreds of black wings WITH control. So, I guess that's that. 2:10 "IB not a big problem..." It isn't, as author has subtly hinted, or used other characters' mouths. Touma is. 2:47 Again you confuse the NATURAL high speeds of saints due to pure PHYSICALITY OF SON OF GOD. NOTHING TO DO WITH ESPER AND MAGICIAN SPEED. 3:07 "fly too" Even NT 22R states that Accelerator isn't too confident on air superiority. 4:04 "Touma's trump card... " You mean, his thelema? Even Magic Gods agree his trump card isn't his powers. 7:24 Well it's not like Touma NEEDS to have his arm cut for things to happen. But that's another unexplored territory. Finally I see you giving Accelerator the advantage of Aleister equipment. Something they have been GIFTED. So it's fair for Touma to use his entire faction. Something he has EARNED. You see? I personally don't care if Touma loses. He lost the most. He's the "Weakest". But if you make a video like this, you will simply encourage a certain braindead part of the fanbase who barely follows the story. That being said, Accelerator, Touma, Aleister are peak characters. Thank you! All the best for more subscribers.

[@pierocolombo2643]

Fr, for Touma "losing" means not getting a good ending, not losing a direct battle which hes lost many and pretty much every character could win against him

[@Number-ic9tk]

Pretty much summed up what I wanted to say.Also Accel can't constantly move at high speed he basically catapults himself and can't change his trajectory on a whim.

[@piskyys191]

What do you think of powerscaling? Do you also think they are toxic and kind of meaningless?

[@stevieveringus3857]

@@piskyys191 if it respects lore and is faithful/honest to given material, it's entertaining most of the time

[@piskyys191]

@@stevieveringus3857 It isn't so faithful to given material very much. I only see cherrypicking whatever suits them and rejecting whatever doesn't suit them.

[@altintrovert6848]

Just consuming all of this content until all the light novels I ordered come from Amazon. Accelerator and Touma are both such great characters. Hopefully they fight together more often than they fight eachother going forward.

[@AeonofHorus]

I'm sure they'll be destined to fight again at some point kek. Enjoy the novels!

[@clarkkentnaruto4322]

Hey Aeon. How are you doing? Sorry I can't stay, but I did want to let you know that I am now 70% into reading while listening to the 5th volume of A Certain Magical Index. It is unreal how much unidentified feelings are going through and inside Misaka in regards to Touma. She wants to narrow the distance between them. Also, I was stunned to hear that just within one chapter, Accelerator thought of Touma like five times. This volume has been such a ride, and there are so many episodes in the anime that were done out of order. It's been fun.

[@AeonofHorus]

Nice one! Volume 5 has plenty of great moments

[@clarkkentnaruto4322]

I know right. Also, Aeon, did you see my video idea comment in another of your videos?

[@1wayroadAccel.]

Guns!? I need to checked that out. OI YOU HERO COME HERE I NEED YOU FOR AN EXPERIMENT

[@aidans4464]

Don't all of the things inside of Touma's right arm have the ability to nullify supernatural phenomena? Maybe this was never explicitly stated, but it was heavily implied because the dragons can eat Level 6 Misaka's black lightning stuff and the Invisible Thing can negate attacks from the Holy Right.

[@gachadan8016]

i know touma will get a ability that will be so god damn broken that touma might not be able to control it at all and maybe it will control him and i would love that

[@jahiemyoung754]

+Aeon of Horus Touma beaten Accelerator more than Goku beaten Vegeta. Touma is very much Goku, and Accelerator is very much Vegeta.

[@eduardpeeterlemming]

If they 2 start fighting, then it's gonna be a great fight

[@doublestarships646]

I always saw as Touma winning against him as freak moments of accidents. It's weird because Touma isn't affected by luck but he always absurdly avoids moments of death when he fights him lol. It's also feels like they're oddly aware that Touma has to always win when it comes to them. I wouldn't be surprised if "plot armor" would be an actual power in this series lol. ALSO let's face it Touma is his call to action whenever he strays from his hero's journey lol.

[@hunterkage2842]

There is a theory that Touma's bad luck keeps him alive so he can suffer more.

[@2mellow35]

It was more Touma won because accelerator wasn't prepared. Each time Touma won Accel was feeling a lot of pressure. We later figure out that he really didn't want to continue Killing the sisters and maybe losing was simply his way out. He clearly likes Touma even if he's rough around the edges.

[@thomasravard7127]

@hunterkage2842 nah, that's usually Imagine Breaker as a being that often interfere to keep touma alive (like gow he recover from sure-death attacks, reattach limbs like they're USB drives and stuff like how he can support using magic despite having an esp nature (Saint germain possession case in NT))

[@oeuf2360]

@@hunterkage2842 it’s not a theory, it got confirmed in nt 9 "I could kill you, but I am sure you have realized the problem with that. You have a way of somehow escaping dangerous situations brought about by external factors. Your inability to die when you should may be the greatest of all misfortunes you have been constantly exposed to. I can kill you with odds greater than 99%, but if you want to fill the gap and reach 100%, it would be faster to end your own life. That would be the most wholesome option for the world."

[@kenshanparchman6838]

@@oeuf2360 No, it's still a theory, Othinus was just explaining what her theory was(also, that's NT 9, not 10)

[@cakegasm9831]

Unironically speaking I think we are going to get something similar to "get your ass out of prison" from Touma. As much as I don't like when everything returns to the status quo after something major has gone down, I'm really sad that Accelerator isn't with his family anymore, and this is a situation that can't be solved by punching stuff, so if Touma wants to do something about it (not sure about this, I'm not very well versed in the light novels lore and canon) he will have to talk to him. I'd love for them to have a nice chat, they are characters with very different perspectives.

[@cakegasm9831]

@@unknownmxn7683 Even with his strength the thing that many people like about him, me included, is his character development. Having him being the new board chairman means that he needs something to kind of counteract this new power he now has, which the imprisonment does perfectly, but he's been feeling a bit too static in that role for me. I'm biased though, since he's my favourite.

[@callump1996]

My take on this is if Touma, and Accelerator used everything they had, IB, Dragons, Fisheggs, KnT, Black Wings, White Wings, Platinum Wings. The clash of powers could make earth blow up like a big bang killing them both.

[@AeonofHorus]

Booooooom

[@RiseStreamer]

I would like accelerator's final form to be 1 black wing and 1 white wing as a pair then a pair of platinum wings. Or just 2 pair of black white wings

[@sshiroyakuza]

@@RiseStreamer I hope this is sarcasm but okay…

[@RiseStreamer]

@@sshiroyakuza why? In my head it looks cool

[@sshiroyakuza]

@@RiseStreamer That’d look so aesthetically imbalanced and ugly, not to mention emo in my opinion, but you do you I guess.

[@zffrailgun1630]

What's the remix of Saikyou no Nanori at 2:20? I've been searching for it but can't find it anywhere.

[@AeonofHorus]

Its the imaginary fest version of it

[@zffrailgun1630]

@@AeonofHorus Looked it up and neither Google nor KZbin bring results, so I assume it was nuked out of existence. Is there any chance you can upload the song or give a link to somewhere we can download it?

[@thatpersoneveryoneknowsbut7533]

Touma be like "SCORE BOARD!!!"

[@SonGoku-vi5rm]

I'm going to have to say new testament vol 10 touma is my favorite he looks so badass in that cover.

[@AeonofHorus]

Agreed

[@beebag6861]

What would happen is probably is Accelerator easily destroying Touma's body and then random dragons infinitely regenerating while fish eggs and an invisible hand surround accelerator. Idk what the effects of fish eggs are versus Accelerator.

[@AeonofHorus]

I mean Touma's been killed plenty of times and the powers beyond the right hand didn't happen

[@beebag6861]

@@AeonofHorus Yeah, but that's when there was someone to revive him, im pretty sure the powers knew he was safe. Doesn't make sense I know, but neither does a lot of the plot armour.

[@arachnoskull6311]

I was thinkng I bet Touma could 100% block A gun or "special bullets" if it was specifically designed to kill "supernatural things"

[@ryanrodriguez2498]

Wow it’s Thanksgiving and you do this to me. While Accelerator is definitely more calculating and more cautious then Touma. However Precognition has shown better reactions due to his fights with Mathers and Aiwass. Now Accelerator with Aleister phone and technology as chairman will kill Touma since they aren’t supernatural you need to ask your self, would he use them? He doesn’t really use them that much at all. Plus would he really go so far to cheat by using Chairman technology even though he does use a gun. HOWEVER you forget about St Germain Touma, his feats on negating attacks and defeating Aiwass and destroying Anna who both are definitely stronger than Coronzon. Now wether you argue Coronzon is stronger than Aiwass, they both did fight in the Coronzon arc and seem to be evenly match. However the Aiwass that fights Touma the second time, Anna was boosting and helping Aiwass and St Germain Touma literally negated his attacks and beated the both of them. Anna clearly one shots Accelerator regardless if he has his Platinum Wings. Anna is definitely stronger than a Magic God and Accelerator is definitely not Magic God level yet. St Germain Touma slaps Accelerator since he can not only use magic but also his IB and strength are amplified thanks to St Germain. However if Touma awakens his Invisible Thing he slaps Accelerator since Aiwass notes how much powerful it’s gotten, along with the fact he can just use the Dragons that defeat Accelerator regardless if he flys . Also just to confirm Accelerator doesn’t know what’s hidden in Touma’s arm since I doubled checked and he wasn’t their to see Touma’s fisheggs.

[@qtcollect4608]

when is Accelerator sound of mind tho? dude's a walking time bomb just like most high level Espers in To Aru.

[@raitolux6811]

If they fight without the intention to kill, maybe just knock the other out, Accelerator wins. However if Accelerator fights Touma with the intention to kill him, it won't happen. I won't say Accelerator will die/get defeated, but he definitely wouldn't be able to kill Touma. Death would be lucky for him, and IB cancels his luck. That's why even when someone kills him (like Aradia) he won't remain dead. And I don't think we saw everything beyond the right arm. The entities in there also won't let him die. Anyway, my point is: if there's "no risk" for his life, he definitely could lose a battle against Accelerator.

[@darkleopard4823]

Real people want to live an anime life and anime people want to live a real life 🤣🤣

[@danielgrezda3339]

Hey, I have been reading index OT and I'm enjoying it to bit's. I have been considering watching the anime adaptation just to see the moment's animated, is it worth a watch?

[@oofnigga1419]

The first two seasons are. The third is questionable at best in my opinion.

[@pierocolombo2643]

The anime was a mid adaptation, but the background arts, the music and voice acting of the characters is amazing. Definetly worth a watch for a couple of episodes but stick to the novel since its the best way to experience OT, still worth a watch tho :) dont forget railgun in between

[@nou4902]

A fight between them now would be super interesting, although I think neither of them would use their full power since they don't want to hurt each other xd Anyway, I do also think Accel would beat Touma ngl... His Plat wings are just too op 👌

[@AeonofHorus]

Yeah true, if both are in character they won't wanna kill one another

[@kingdomheartsispeak4724]

I need to watch that touma fight again lol I like accelerator but sometimes he needs to be humbled

[@stevieveringus3857]

Better read the novels this time and probably love both characters

[@aktivate]

Humbled how? At this point he’s probably the most humble character in the series tf?

[@stevieveringus3857]

@@aktivate technically Hamazura is most humble

[@aktivate]

@@stevieveringus3857 pfft

[@kenshanparchman6838]

@@aktivate Definitely not. Touma has fought characters that could destroy the universe and calls himself a normal highschool boy. Accel still calls himself the strongest.

[@lazy_swordmaster08]

I come here for only one thing and it because the war in comment section

[@ushasambu6697]

wait wait say what he can do that and also I went top 10 scientific railgun sites like cbr and twitter but why was nt touma there in top 10 and also why does he barely have any screen time even though he s the god damn protagonsist

[@question9581]

Okay but why not bring up DS Touma since that form has speed and ultra instinct.We saw KNT use it with IB. And is base Accel that fast,I get the wings but Base?

[@kamijounotouma5596]

He is. Tho he cant manuever very well abd its never been a problem for Touma before. Iirc, Accel tried to Blitz Touma in NT10 too, but it didn't work.

[@AeonofHorus]

Dragon Shell Touma weak tho, he can only move fast as a saint in short bursts and KnT dragon Shell got injured by kitchen knives and forks lol

[@question9581]

@@AeonofHorus I think he got stabbed in his underbelly.While the shell is quite durable.What is Accel gonna do about enhanced precog and throwing a building isn't gonna work since Touma has super strength.

[@Tony-sx3nf]

@@AeonofHorus that was KnT, Touma in that form tanked a railgun

[@wildyato3737]

0:19 Both are good Accelerator as Offense and Touma as Defender or Nullifiers 1:39 Index looks stupid but his photographic memories along with high knowledge makes this childish girl formidable..(only her counterpart of hers can use that insane knowledge of 103,000 spell books ...) 2:59 Easy😂: Cut his right hamd...Touma become mad..his right eye becomes red ..DRAGONS OUT ,and they will do the same as Misaka 5.5😅 5:11 Did she discovered her esper ability just like Saten? what happened to her ?

[@capitan7931]

Will the sisters/will of misaka network let Accelerator attack Tom?

[@stevieveringus3857]

Will definitely won't. But Aeon really wants Accelerator to have everything on their side, including the remote; so expect the worst. Note: In the third fight, Will appeared AFTER the fight. Tho PW needs that collar click, we can't count on that.

[@capitan7931]

@@stevieveringus3857 Who is Aeon?

[@stevieveringus3857]

@@capitan7931 The maker of the video

[@capitan7931]

@@stevieveringus3857 Hahaha, I stupid thought it was a character from the index

[@stevieveringus3857]

@@capitan7931 XD well there's actually an in series term called Aeon. I thought you know that since you mentioned Will of Misaka Network.

[@paragmurthy5411]

Hey can you do a video about alister crowley toaru beast666 all abilities

[@kidfromthe7899]

He had the 2nd chance in Index III and he didn't 😂

[@AeonofHorus]

😭😭

[@TheScrimLord]

I have something your quite familiar I HAVE GUN

[@AnilKamijou]

Okey Aeon Let's update the video to Why Touma Can Easily Beat Accelerator

[@Lamadon_Pyreus]

Why magic? *GUN*

[@strpe9701]

If accelerator knew how ID worked it’d be no contest

[@stevieveringus3857]

Accelerator definitely knows how an ID works.

[@sundragon7703]

Accelerator can defeat Touma. But Accelerator will not defeat Touma. Touma is important to Accelerator's reasons for being. Touma is Accelerator's "gold standard". Accelerator will not destroy the symbols/ideals of what Accelerator wants to become/achieve.

[@Joplys]

You are the only person who understand the character of accelerator in a sea of "ToUmA WiNs cUz IMagInE bReAkER" or "acCEl WinS If NO pLoT ArMouR"

[@Beatrice_Mona]

Wanna debate? Topic: touma vs Accelerator Touma as Me Accelerator as you Discord?

[@Gang_Life.]

Accelerator slams. Cope

[@greatminikwu9089]

Pls is this manga still ongoing

[@AeonofHorus]

Yes, light novel & manga

[@greatminikwu9089]

@@AeonofHorus last o checked the laga online no new chapters were published

[@devilshooter126m8]

Great video As far as I'm aware, If Accelerator or any villain goes after Touma's Neck instead if his arm any of them could defeat him.

[@AeonofHorus]

Thank you!

[@nestword5654]

He should have gone for the neck!

[@kenshanparchman6838]

That's kinda where the precognition comes in though. Like when he blocks Misaka's attacks while in the middle of a conversation.

[@alsosprachzarathustra4756]

I mean, that’s kind of hard to do when he literally throws his right hand in front of whatever the opponent is aiming for.

[@birb9501]

@@alsosprachzarathustra4756 random letters :'v

[@khoakhong4623]

Before this video is released, every single debate between Touma vs Accelerator will be like "Touma wins Negative diff"

[@stevieveringus3857]

Where did you get that lol. This video isn't so correct either

[@joshuapatterson8269]

​@@stevieveringus3857 Is it weird that even though this video is very biased that it's not even subtle, I still come back to it, just to read the comments 😅. Also I've seen your comment debunking some points in the video, but there are definitely more like how aeon said that coronzon's barrier was the whole ship when really it was INSIDE the ship and it also damaged coronzon which is something magic gods couldn't do.

[@stevieveringus3857]

@@joshuapatterson8269 tbh it would have been better if Aeon didn't touch the Fish Eggs at all if he isn't so sure. People are also making all sort of bs out of Platinum Wings, which was a wonderful update. If Accelerator knew what is Touma, the story would have ended.

[@joshuapatterson8269]

​@@stevieveringus3857 Can we ALL just agree..................that Touma x accelerator WOULDN'T be the worst the thing to happen in the novels 😅. I've seen some of your comments your a fan of the ship admit it.

[@stevieveringus3857]

@@joshuapatterson8269 XD, I like their dynamic and want a fully platonic relationship. Not really a shipper, but I can be a shipping "catalyst" if you know what I mean.

[@potatoxgaming9466]

But toumas imagine breaker where he cant be blessed or cursed severed fate itself. No matter how strong his opponent is its always 50/50 its just him always being in a hospital dying.

[@Biomecahnic]

I have to read more to find out

[@princeali73787]

Well as you say accelerator got lot experience after he got beaten down by toma ... But what about toma experience? Toma has way experience more than he would get ...😁😁.. So until accelerator try to make a move ..toma always gonna have situation to solve 😁

[@zgiove674]

I kinda disagree with the part on fisheggs feat. Nice video tho

[@AeonofHorus]

Whats there to disagree on? The scans explicitly refer to the barrier which only works from the outside, re-read NT22 if you dont believe me

[@zgiove674]

@@AeonofHorus wouldn't the barrier being applied on the Temple? "It happened with a deafening roar. There was also a blinding flash of light. The temple was torn apart from within and the entire Queen Britannia was split in two." Because It separate the destruction of the Temple and the split of the ship. And wouldn't be strange for the barrier still existing After the inside being destroyed, specially when in NT22R It said there were some divers supported by a magical item for retrieving the thing on the sunken Queen of britannia?

[@Moshi_Teitoku]

Last Order would stop accelerator from finishing touma

[@AeonofHorus]

If she's around :^) but if both are in character, Accel def doesn't wanna kill Touma, but he definitely is capable of doing so imo

[@ellysoncandido1980]

the truth is that only Aeonsaka can beat both of them

[@AeonofHorus]

How do you know my true power?

[@ellysoncandido1980]

@@AeonofHorus i mean,maybe because of your panties 😳

[@crash-testproductions9341]

Of course he can defeat Touma easily. EVERYONE can defeat Touma easily. Touma main fighting prowess is finding a way to win despite how easy is it for him to be defeated. He's a teenager with some brawling experience, his power only protect his right hand. The whole point of the ln is HOW despite being someone so weak in a world of superpowered beings, he can snatch a win by a hair's breadth. Heavy Object, another LN by the same author, is more or less about the same thing.

[@stevieveringus3857]

I mean yeah, but apparently some Accelerator "fans" still lose their sleep over Touma

[@Chinese_Name]

Nah WW3 Accelerator was smart and thinking instead of going Hunka Hunka he was thinking out ways to beat Touma and figured out Touma has Precognition. Precognition was the it factor for Touma to win against Accelerator. Bringing AC technology doesn't feel like a fight you know.

[@stevieveringus3857]

Maybe Aeon has the best intentions, but this video will only encourage a toxic part of the fanbase who won't try to go through the material to form their own conclusions. I mean, even a scorpion can beat Touma.

[@AeonofHorus]

You can still try logically analyse your opponent while in a fight (especially with Accelerator's supercomputer brain) and not be in the right emotional headspace. It's like when a boxer would be distressed due to some personal loss or life event where he's not fighting at his best but can still notice patterns in the fight. He was literally having an existential crisis and PTSD a few moments prior from nearly killing Worst.

[@Chinese_Name]

I've never seen or heard of someone having an existential crisis think calmly and how to counter someone, we can see if someone is affected by something tragic even when doing something even if it looks like they are ok doesn't matter if you have supercomputer brain or not but the way Accelerator fought no way it felt handicap or something.

[@galaksimuku1415]

Yeah if we use logic, acel can easy defeat touma 😂 but when he meet touma, he never get countrol, like acel in front of last order

[@KeepRockingTheDragon]

that yamcha joke was distasteful smh, anyway this was a pretty awesome video.

[@paragmurthy5411]

Or can you do toaru cosmology

[@AeonofHorus]

Maybeeeee

[@yajurvendrasolanki3290]

Where do you read this mannnnnnmnn

[@AeonofHorus]

I explain in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKalY3ppjqmhock

[@yajurvendrasolanki3290]

@@AeonofHorus thanks bro 😁😁

[@lyesmadi4662]

Can accelarotor beat othnis

[@realgamer6194]

Just make your own happiness 😂😂.

[@RaykinaBreaker]

Bruh, Touma go to prison to meet Accelerator just to say he's not living his life correctly.🤣 I'm not surprise if Accelerator is triggered by that word.

[@baronvonandronicusbartolom9086]

Or accelerator can just donut him since his fast enough. But obviously accelerator has Touma's kryptonite........ A GUN

[@AeonofHorus]

Truth

[@Ark10032]

Mannnnn, You really understand my PoV Youre always G.O.A.T xd

[@AeonofHorus]

Thanks!

[@emmanuel319]

I just hope I live to the day that the author reveals what IB truly is and accelerator living with his family

[@pierocolombo2643]

IB kinda was revealed tho, its IT, dragons and whatever else inside Touma what we dont know. Also big yes for Accel eventually living with a family 🙌

[@AeonofHorus]

We kinda already know what IB is, it's the demon zoo inside that's a mystery!

[@kamijounotouma5596]

Irrelevant. Biagio solos both.

[@AeonofHorus]

TRUTH 🙏

[@RedDevil-5659]

Accelerator lose touma becasue He dont have normal life experience

[@asafecosta1500]

For me, the peak power that Touma can react to is the same power level as Kamijou no Touma. And as the "main plan" I belive that Accelerator can get strong than Aiwass. (Sorry if I am talking shit)

[@stevieveringus3857]

"Main plan"? That's Touma tho

[@willtews955]

I remember that one guy beat up accelerator with no powers by exploiting his own reflection ability. The scientist just stops short of his punches because the vector becomes harmless. He even made special gauntlet that cancels his vector ability. I just started rewatching the series so my memory about the specifics is a bit vague.

[@dfmrcv862]

Technically he *could* just drop a car on him... or shoot him with his VP70/SIGP250 (Index III anime seemed to have changed it and IMFDB is only guessing at what he's using in III) since we know Touma has issues when dealing with firearms as seen in his fight with Anti Skill. So... yeah... The amazing power of *G U N* seems to be the best way of dealing with our unlucky boy, Kamijou.

[@AeonofHorus]

Lmao

[@21145543]

Car doesn't work since not even train works.

[@tonyinfinite5174]

Call me insane I think Touman needs a buff

[@stevieveringus3857]

No XD. Touman needs money, rest and graduation

[@tonyinfinite5174]

@@stevieveringus3857 you know as well as I do that Aging in Japan is illegal those pokemon youngsters never ages we've been through 65 LN in total and only Accelerator gets new Drip everybody else don't age Touma can't graduate if time doesn't exist 😂

[@stevieveringus3857]

@@tonyinfinite5174 Big brain moment, but school and homework are Touma's biggest self-admitted challenges XD

[@treewood4090]

Hamazura beats both

[@kamijounotouma5596]

Obviously. Luck >>>> Skill

[@AeonofHorus]

Legit

[@Ben-vg6ox]

lets not talk about that embarassing arc from railgun, okay?

[@BakedBanana]

oh?

[@AeonofHorus]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[@GraveRender]

The thing that makes Touma invincible is the unidentified god level powers that leak out when he's defeated. So even when he loses he wins. It's plot armor baked into the characters abilities. Makes him pretty broken. So no, Accelerator could never actually win. I'm not even a fan of this series. I just know what happens when someone beats him in canon every time.

[@question9581]

Character's like gojo and Anos exist by that logic the have the biggest plot armor.Accelerator pops a new set of wings in every major fight.Touma on the other hand fights more like Jojo characters by using his head.He's the superior fighter and has better Battle sense no shit he wins.Touma's also taken the most L's in the series bruh.

[@Gang_Life.]

That's your opinion, but Aeon opinion still stands. Accelerator still slams Touma bruh

[@question9581]

@@Gang_Life. Bruh,if Touma ever used his power's l.Which he can it's stated in NT13 and that he holds back in NT22R Accel doesn't stand a chance.The only thing he's got on Touma are IQ and calculations.

[@stevieveringus3857]

This is pepega comment at the max. Not only there are frustrated Accelerator "fans" in this section, there are also delusionals making comments without knowing about the series.

[@bernkastel7435]

@@Gang_Life. and that guys opinion still stands sooo touma slams accel bruh lol Imagine not making up your opinion and staning some one else opinions as "facts" It's opinion at the end soo no Accel doesn't slam touma because it didn't happen and also for matter of fact Touma himself is capable of slamming Accel.

[@brucehidari5973]

How about this... Let's just say touma vs accelerator is 'SAME' like batman vs superman. That's what make it truly extraordinary. Bruce wayne and touma is just 'normal' human but fighting and win over opponent capable destroying planet or even universe. It's not surprising if superman or accelerator capable destroying a planet with one punch. But it's truly extraordinary if someone normal like kamijou touma or bruce wayne capable taking down that kind opponent. That's why they got everyone respect. Touma respected by many powerful people and leaders of country. And batman... I don't need to say it. Or more like the list is to long if I've got to write everyone who respect and love the batman. No matter how powerful villain stand against touma, he will always find the way to win. Touma maybe not a "strongest" but he has a "greatness"

[@stevieveringus3857]

For some fun... Bruce has money. Touma doesn't. Bruce good with machines. Touma isn't. Bruce knows martial arts. Touma doesn't. Bruce hyper intelligent. Touma inconsistent IQ, with high battle IQ. Bruce is as peak a human can get without access to the supernatural, or the cosmic. Touma is a big question mark while he goes under the identity of a normal high school boy. If we consider the alien/unknown between Touma and Accelerator, there's only one answer.

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@@stevieveringus3857 At last both touma n batman have some similiarity. -Both have fight and take down many more stronger/powerful opponent. -They often beaten almost to death and survive many death and life situation (It seem like touma always got to hospital everytime after taking down his opponent, I wonder if touma start to smell like disinfectant) -they both have greatness inside them. (Leivinia birdway also said that in lightnovel NT vol 6 even other people had the same hand as kamijou touma, they cannot use it as good as touma. And even with imagine breaker, normal person would not be able to accomplish much. And then leivinia compare touma with some great historical figure. It is because touma it self who wield imagine breaker, many people and the world got saved. It's not about tool or esper/magic ability(in this case) that make the 'man' great. But the one who wield and use it. I don't think even with all his power, accelerator could achieve touma many great achievement.) -just like batman can use tactics with kryptonite against superman, touma also can use similiar thing. He just need bring weapon like knife or gun when figting accelerator. Touma just need tactic to lure or trap accelerator to coming close to him. grab him with imagine breaker, and stab him with knife or shoot him point blank with gun. And DONE. Without their powers, espers or magician is just normal human being. Accelerator is human, not somekind of demon or magic god.

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@@brucehidari5973 The thing is, Touma DOESN'T step on the power scale. His main tool has always been Thelema. He has considered himself to be weaker than Kamisato and was beaten by Hamazura. Magic Gods have inferred that his real potential is his Thelema, and it has been confirmed, contrary to Aleister's expectations, there's a new Aeon residing in him. At the same time, WHEN you step on the power meter, you get a ridiculous amount of mysterious power, inviting the interest of Aiwass, Aleister and Anna. The entire novel is moving towards the point of getting answers to this. Meanwhile, Accelerator is following the usual line of learning from mistakes and getting the occasional power-up. There's a big rift - and can you see how incomparable this is to Batman and Superman? And do you know? Touma isn't allowed to hold weapons and his Understander said even learning martial arts will make him weak - as he won't reach out to people. Contrast this to the powers he has theorized to be something like a Panacea and a great solution to all ailments of the universe. You have a normal high schooler. You also have One Who Purifies Gods and Slays Demons. This is the duality of Touma. Power scaling is irrelevant, at least currently in the story. He's not Rimuru or Anos. That's my two cents; I respect your viewpoint. Oh yeah, I meant Accelerator is definitely the "human"/"Not unknown" here.

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Anyone could win.. Its the creator's choice..

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True dude

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*ah yes , the floor is made out of floor.*

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