Does Accelerator Easily Beat the Level 5s? VS Battle

[@AeonofHorus]

Check out all Level 5 espers explained here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJOyYqCvnZyiaLM

[@hotkot5054]

In the scene from the novel that you showed about Shokuhou's ability, there was an important context that you didn't include in the video: "Shokuhou was being taken in. Even though she knew this was a bad sign. The #5 girl was nearly invincible. She had the strongest psychological power. She might have trouble in an unexplored jungle or the middle of the desert, but she was untouchable in a large city full of people. But there were a few people she would not want to run afoul of even then. For example, the #1 who linked anything and everything to violence. Or the #2 who had stopped being an individual and split himself up so far that it was unclear if the overall will of “Kakine Teitoku” would keep a promise even if you negotiated with each individual branch and received their agreement. Those monsters could tear through a large group all on their own. This girl was similar. Manipulating minds was not enough to rest easy against her." and "(She recovered!? No, it didn’t take!!) This was worse than with the #1 and #2 who she could control but she still had to keep her guard up around. She had not expected her power to simply not work on someone. And not because they had forcibly deflected it with a solid defense like Misaka Mikoto did." I think parts about "she would not want to run afoul of even then", "Those monsters could tear through a large group all on their own", "This girl was similar. Manipulating minds was not enough to rest easy against her." and "who she could control but she still had to keep her guard up around" may imply that she can't control them like other espers. Just think about it, she thought that she could control Gunha but he freed himself from her control, that she didn't expected. And how could her power that based on bodily fluids and bioelectricity manipulation, that can be deflected by Mikoto's electromagnetic barrier, go through Accelerator's vector manipulations? Despite the fact that in the 19th volume of the Old Testament, he unconsciously controlled the movement of his blood so as not to die after the attack of Aiwass, it looks unjustifiably self-confident on her part.

[@youraverageteaenjoyer.]

Ok so accelerator needs to have a five minute tantrum anytime he gets called a good guy. If every one of the six level fives calls him a hero he times out. However dark matter would need to say something positive about accelerator so this plan only works in theory

[@AeonofHorus]

genius

[@imaginerejector1429]

A tantrum from Accelerator isn't exactly an advantage for the Level 5s

[@s.m.farzana6072]

​@@imaginerejector1429ya those black wings arent gonna be friendly

[@randomguyblank1616]

I feel like Accelerator would straight up have a stroke if Misaka calls him a hero given the clone stuff.

[@داركماتر-ت1ط]

@@AeonofHorusno matter what happen Accelerator will always be the stronger Esper after Touma

[@Misaka05050]

Kakine carrying the other level 5's on his back. In fact, he was close to killing Accelerator in NT6 due to psychological warfare, until Mugino talk-no-jutsu'd him into not giving up, plus AIM stalker and plot Fremea popping into the mix. Also, I heard of a possibility that Dark Matter can replicate other esper abilities.

[@rooneysetiawan3302]

Kakine and a unhinged Gunha are the only thing between them and death 😂

[@Hmmmmmm929]

Touma: damn what happened here Level5s: he beat our asses Accelerator: your damn right I did

[@Misaka05050]

Except Kakine.

[@delta999reportcard8]

Make batteries unavailable!

[@hitechinc.7875]

When Misaka attacks him, he then uses the shocks to charge the batteries. Or just move electrons in his environment to charge them.

[@soaringdragon3972]

The current Accelerator from GT even deflected a God level attack

[@soaringdragon3972]

And man I just want to know who Aihana Etsu the mysterious level 5 esper really is! Is he really Aogami Pierce?

[@hitechinc.7875]

@@soaringdragon3972 I think we might know later on. Hopefully:

[@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster]

Depends on when they all ganged up on em, he took a bullet to the head for Last Order, his ability to calculate was limited and only through the Misaka Network can he come up with his calculations now. SO he would be limited to some point if the other level 5's attack him after he got shoot. See I didn't think they would have much of a chance if they attacked him before the brain damage, but let's say after he got shoot they might have a better chance against "Normal" Accelerator. BUT Another thing to consider is if they all attacked him after the events of WW3 and when he got those new wings, they might still not stand a chance against him ......

[@AeonofHorus]

Not including Last Order in the fight as that wouldn't be fair kek

[@DemiCape]

Oh you finally changed profile picture, last time I saw a comment, you had some weird sus profile picture, that is if you are the person I am thinking of lol.

[@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster]

​@@AeonofHorusI think you are misunderstanding what I'm talking about here. I said it depends on when the other level 5's all attacked Accelerator. So if they attacked him after his Brain Damage... which he got protecting Last Order that's why I mentioned her... he might be easier to beat if all the level 5's attack him because he is dependent on the Misaka Network for all his calculations after the Brain Damage... but if they attacked him before the Brain Damage say during the Sisters Arc he would have a better chance of beating them becausehis calculations weren't dependent on the Misaka Network. You see...

[@keithpierce5686]

Funny thing is Accel could just form a massive hyper fast tornado and just suffocate them all.

[@ryanrodriguez2498]

Kakine and maybe Sogiita is definitely carrying the squad. Since Rensa use Accelerator’s wings and destroyed Beetle Boy, I don’t see why it wouldn’t work. If Sogiita can’t understand vector manipulation and has a vector physical attacks, he can touch Accelerator. The rest of the Level 5’s have vectors, physically weak and already fought Accelerator and lost to him. However if Misaka can use Liquid Proof Railgun with Misaki and AAA helping her, then she might have a chance. Also Accelerator can literally borrow the planet’s rotational energy for 5 min. He can literally use it to destroy all the Level 5.

[@deathbeforedishonor6523]

The possibilities of this fight and how it would go down is almost mind boggling. So many different things to consider. While watching all these different things that would have to happen or may happen I thought of 2 very important variables also to throw the proverbial monkey wrench into the works. The first would be collateral damage or property and life. I think over all the clear victory would go to whomever was willing to sacrifice the most. A fight of such magnitude would easily involve everyone and everything around so I believe it would seriously affect how the fight went for most of the espers there. 30 minutes may sound like nothing, but for those of us who have been in fights and battles, 30 minutes is a lifetime. More then you could possibly fathom could happen in 30 minutes or less. I am certain they would all be affected and be unable to go the distance once the destruction of human life and property became wide scale and they could see people getting killed. Whoever was willing to kill and sacrifice people and property around them to win seriously narrows down the fighting capabilities of most all the espers except perhaps a couple. That takes a certain kind of dark side that most all of them can't overcome except the obvious ones. The fight would take a grossly different turn of events from that alone. Old school Accel for instance has zero problems once he goes all out with that scenario. Does anyone win if everyone dies or the planet is destroyed? Nay I say, a pyrrhic victory in the end but more then likely no win at all. My other thought was the fact of a fight of such magnitude would draw out all the other espers with all their different powers. They would count as a major distraction and would either get in the way or change the flow of the battle completely. Talk about one hot mess with all those different powers and quirky abilities causing even more mayhem and altering the field of battle. I think all the level 5s would not have such an easy ride when you throw in so many other people and powers. We really don't know all the powers and abilities and how they would affect things. Even Aleister would be drawn into this scenario. Of course the magic users that are there and possibly even the magic gods since they would witness this all out brawl between super powers! You made a great Video again, got me pumped thinking about all kinds of possibilities. The fight is obviously not happening in a vacuum of space, so we absolutely have to add these new variables I brought up into the mix! Some great theory crafting we can do here.

[@Anime_watcheR-t7d]

Wait a sec for the most part ...the times accelerator has accessed his wings his battery was off so he lost the connection to the misaka network so show can she hack something that's offline

[@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster]

I can't see Mental Out working on Accelerator ....

[@animegraveyard776]

Because you all love hyping him up.

[@PocketCat6]

​@@animegraveyard776I mean Accelerator has been shown to have resistance to mind hax via not being driven insane by looking at Qliphoth. And he could replicate Misaka defence against mental out by controlling his own bio electricity.

[@destroyercreater98]

@@animegraveyard776I just don’t see it working as Misaka proves mental out isn’t just ‘boop. I got your brain.’ It’s a signal. Meaning it has a direction aka vectors.

[@Snailing_Suika]

You dont even need any lvl 5 esper to defeat base (shot) Accel. All you need is MISAKA clones giving last order a "call" and tell her its already bedtime snuggly hours for both of them - she turns off the power by disconnecting the network or just stops the processing as admin then puts him into his hospital bed and climbs ontop of him to tell him he was a bad boy with a pouty face and his punishment is a 24/7 cuddling session. there is like a factual 0 % chance she'd resist that thought - this is called a psychological victory. And ontop of that also 0% chance that he would attack Last Order.

[@marshalshawnthetheorist]

hey, was there ever an episode where mugino, sugita and mikasa worked togethr (12:25) or was that just edited ?

[@AeonofHorus]

Its from Toaru Imaginary Fest (gacha mobile game) as Opening 2

[@princemannic]

One against pretty early my predictions are he low diffs all of them that aren't kakine

[@AeonofHorus]

DM form Kakine makes this winnable for them, otherwise if Kakine was in base then they prob get rekt

[@khoipham8303]

Question: would Misaka 5.3 be capable of winning against the Dark Matter Network, assuming she does no self-destruct?

[@AeonofHorus]

Maybe if she manages to swallow all the Dark Matter up with the black energy, don't think she would though as Misaka wasn't even in control of her actions and wasn't exactly fighting strategically in her Level 6 shift forms

[@rajatrana3198]

A extra pair of batteries will give heartatack to all

[@Accelerator.1729]

For this to happen they have to hurt his loli. They would be terrified by only hearing him singing the gospel 😂.

[@Masterduel012]

the ideal version of kakine would be his version able to reproduce personal realities.

[@nidalspam509]

I'd love a video about the doctor heaven canceller

[@nickeel8401]

I really enjoyed the video but I have 2 questions 1. It was a lil unclear whether or not all characters would be in character or just do the optimal thing for their win condition. If they are in character there’s no way Accelerators is touching Misaka cus of his Misaka guilt/ last order love right, among other in character things. 2. I always wondered, if accelerator can create plasma from wind, control bio electricity and vectors from a distance (yunno all this impressive stuff), aside from making the headshot nerf narratively worthless, is there a reason y he hasn’t figured out a way to charge the choker with his power somehow? Or like carry a portable charger?

[@AeonofHorus]

1. I mean, other than Kakine, Accelerator morally now wouldnt wanna kill any of the other Level 5s unless he had an excuse to do it or they pissed him off enough. So this is just to say hypothetically if they were all trying their hardest to win, plot and character motivations aside. 2. IIrc he does carry a spare battery now.

[@nickeel8401]

Fair and fair

[@Draktand01]

I’d assume the sheer amount of calculations needed to manipulate brains means that Shokuhou can reverse engineer Accelerator’s vector shield in real time. The obvious weakness is if Accelerator makes something like Misaka’s passive EM field, a defence where no amount of reverse engineering or understanding of the mechanics helps her ability overcome it, simply due to the very nature of the power interactions invovled.

[@アクセル-d4v]

Chad Kakine carrying them hard rn🗿

[@wildyato3737]

3:09 I wonder accelerator has capabilities to reflect certain type of frequencies to not get under Misaki's mind control .. TV remote also use certain frequency to end so..yes😁😁

[@devilshooter126m8]

Great video We All know the TRUE Number 1 can beat Accelerator EASY.

[@AeonofHorus]

Sasuga Big Kak

[@randomcatname7792]

Yeah I agree, Sogita would destroy him

[@1wayroadAccel.]

​@@randomcatname7792wait what?! i thought we were talking bout kakine!!

[@randomcatname7792]

@@1wayroadAccel. they were, but since Sogita effectively has Ars Magna, I think he's the real strongest

[@destroyercreater98]

Kakine and Gunha are gonna be carrying, till Accelerator realizes he could manipulate the vectors of their bodies to multiple directions simultaneously and tear them apart on contact. Then it’s literally just Kakine.

[@knucklesskinner253]

"hes a satrou gojo type, you fight him, you die"

[@InfernosReaper]

I'm more curious about how he would've fared before then.

[@SparkyTM]

ah yes, big CAC, my favourite level 5

[@RaidenKaiser]

As op as he is with the rules of esper powers I seen so far power alone doesnt always mean you will win. Every ability has a counter even if its difficult to pull off its just I only seen one person counter him so far.

[@dastagirwajahat]

I think teleportation also works. If anything deadly is teleported directly into is vital spots.

[@mokulectodupa]

SASUGA TRUE NR 1 SAMA carrying it

[@roguedragon2523]

I doubt mental out can actually work against Accelerator considering the fact his reflection manage to counter Nepthys spell that absorb moisture from the surrounding.

[@narusas1222]

Hey man love your videos. I was wandering can you do Misaka vs Magneto ( from the x men ). The Master of Magnetism vs the Lvl 5 Electromaster. Also I hope you talk about Kuroko one day cuz she's one of my favorite character in the show ( when she's not obsessing over Misaka ).

[@abhinandannandan3863]

Re-watching All the animated series Thanks

[@abhinandannandan3863]

This, makes me wanna re-watch Index and railgun

[@justice32legends]

No biggie, it just takes a rock, and roll with one's right hand make it's way in.💀

[@mosergianni7202]

Platinum wings ?

[@H2COable]

If misaki was a level 6 how her powers final form will be and how would them evolve ?

[@examoneslameraverga5074]

When the edgy albino kids gets some respect from aeon.

[@ahmadjundi2578]

Can misaki truly control accelerator ? I mean what’s mentioned in the novel if I am not mistaken is that she think she could control I mean this is what she believe

[@xnortheast1106]

Broooo what game is that?? 8:05

[@AeonofHorus]

Toaru Imaginary Fest

[@moonum4567]

Some things to note about Kakine 1. Kakine can still outwit the reflection as shown with his battle against Rensa. Its no longer a flawless spear, but one that Kakine has to actively focus on priming so that Accelerator is not able to reflect. You might say "Rensa isn't Accelerator". True, she has a better knowledge base to work with because she actually has the power of Dark Matter, and thus should be more capable of reflecting it. Kakine can still stalemate Accelerator 2. While Beetle did job to the wings, he took two hits from them, and they were meant to be fatal. He was also gimped here without the clone ability and restricted to a single form. 3. Kakine has the potential to make Esper powers as proven by his ability to create the holistic rose girl. This opens up a lot more offensive opportunities Kakine could also be super compatible with magic as well, idol theory especially powering him up (imagine he makes the spear that killed christ with Dark Matter, wouldn't that also confer the properties of that magical item to him as well considering the spear would be made out of him?) and possibly circumventing magic rejection with useless dark matter clumps taking the brunt of it (and possibly the Umidoori approach of using the rejection as an attack). All in all, and even surpassing an ideal Gunha, Kakine has the best shot against pre headshot, post headshot and black wings Accelerator. He does not stand a ghost's ass against White and Platinum unfortunately. Although that being said, and now I'm moving to pure speculation, Kakine is quite literally this series's best shot for showing a true and (perhaps semi or fully) stable Level 6 so I wouldn't say that white or platinum is the cap that Kakine can't beat. Knowing the Goal of SYSTEM and why the Level 5s are ranked in a particular way, it makes sense. If Kakine is Accelerator's back up, then in the case of Accelerator dying, Kakine would be put forth as the ideal candidate. That does mean that Kakine could be primed, further developed or patch worked to act as a suitable replacement for the shift.

[@Misaka05050]

> He does not stand a ghost's ass against White and Platinum unfortunately. If you want to highball it, in NT8 Kakine has shown to grow his wings to envelope a bunch of ships that can be mistaken for an island. _"Pure white wings extended from his back. They spread out like plants growing in fast forward. They were not merely a few dozen meters long or a few hundred meters long. In an instant, those wings enveloped that giant pile of ruined ships that could be mistaken for an island."_ Notice the keywords being "In an instant." That's our only frame of reference in regards to his exponential growth of Dark Matter. And since Kakine states that he has an infinite amount of Dark Matter to produce in NT6, this could infer that he can cover more mass if he continues to grow since he has an infinite amount. He can probably grow larger than the galaxy in less than say, 20 minutes give or take. Hypothetically speaking. And since he doesn't have a soul, as stated multiple times in NT, platinum wings can't forcibly remove Kakine's soul. There will be too much Dark Matter for Accelerator's wings to negate the regeneration as it will be *everywhere.* Damn near omnipresent even. Edit: 15:22 Aeon pretty much sums up what I mean in regards to that last part.

[@V2ULTRAKill]

​@@Misaka05050ehhh when we get to platinum wing territory it gets unfair Thats why they werent allowed in the video Platinum wing accelerator could pretty casually neg kakine no matter how much prep time he has We're talking enough power to shake galaxies here

[@Misaka05050]

​@@V2ULTRAKill ​I know I am a month late, because KZbin doesn't send me notifications for replies for some reason, but I'll explain how this matchup could be debatable. Anyways, that stuff is pretty irrelevant to Kakine. It's not like shaking a galaxy killed Coronzon or eviscerated Laura Stewart's physical body. Plus, Kakine could potentially expand the mass of his DM to sizes that are bigger than just a galaxy since he stated that he has an infinite amount of DM. Also, Kakine, at least his NT6 version, doesn't have a soul. So physically removing it via shaking the galaxy doesn't work here.

[@naoriyam1658]

Need All lvl 5 for beat acel, but Touma can beat acel with out ally 🗿, its show about touma is more strong than all lvl 5 and acel to?

[@emmanuel319]

Accelerator watching this: ☕🗿

[@question9581]

I mean how does Accels fights with high tiers even go. He's getting whooped until he gets a power up mid fight and wins. Like even if he's losing he'll get new plot wings and win. But AC won't let level 5s die as mugino said so yeah.

[@TheDarkSide1977]

Awesome

[@jatooayush3523]

Accelerator is the GOAT!

[@jatooayush3523]

Misaki may be able to control accelerator,however that TV remote,I think accelerator's reflection barrier can block its infrared i think

[@darkaddinho2181]

Qlipha dont will help Accelerator ?

[@rampagepotato4307]

Murks everyone but Beetle 5 😅

[@drunkwaifu2882]

tho what abaut Accelerator against biajio?

[@AeonofHorus]

biagio stomps

[@hotkot5054]

In the scene from the novel that you showed about Shokuhou's ability, there was an important context that you didn't include in the video: "Shokuhou was being taken in. Even though she knew this was a bad sign. The #5 girl was nearly invincible. She had the strongest psychological power. She might have trouble in an unexplored jungle or the middle of the desert, but she was untouchable in a large city full of people. But there were a few people she would not want to run afoul of even then. For example, the #1 who linked anything and everything to violence. Or the #2 who had stopped being an individual and split himself up so far that it was unclear if the overall will of “Kakine Teitoku” would keep a promise even if you negotiated with each individual branch and received their agreement. Those monsters could tear through a large group all on their own. This girl was similar. Manipulating minds was not enough to rest easy against her." and "(She recovered!? No, it didn’t take!!) This was worse than with the #1 and #2 who she could control but she still had to keep her guard up around. She had not expected her power to simply not work on someone. And not because they had forcibly deflected it with a solid defense like Misaka Mikoto did." I think parts about "she would not want to run afoul of even then", "Those monsters could tear through a large group all on their own", "This girl was similar. Manipulating minds was not enough to rest easy against her." and "who she could control but she still had to keep her guard up around" may imply that she can't control them like other espers. Just think about it, she thought that she could control Gunha but he freed himself from her control, that she didn't expected. And how could her power that based on bodily fluids and bioelectricity manipulation, that can be deflected by Mikoto's electromagnetic barrier, go through Accelerator's vector manipulations? Despite the fact that in the 19th volume of the Old Testament, he unconsciously controlled the movement of his blood so as not to die after the attack of Aiwass, it looks unjustifiably self-confident on her part.

[@silverwolfzs7601]

Shokuhou shouldn’t even be able to effect Accelerator since his passive reflection barrier can deflect any and all vectors including even things such as wind and sound… And if it’s the old Accelerator, then he doesn’t even need to worry about a time limit, he beat Misaka by standing still, like this man was literally afk and she still lost… The only one that he'd really have to worry about is Kakine for obvious reasons

[@dpolaristar4634]

I just want to point out that Misaki when mind linked with Mikoto unlocked new applications for her powers by sharing maths, imagine if she could do the same with the other level 5's.

[@gamertechlive1780]

well yes since he can block or reflect all their ability, for example railgun, melt downer, 7th rank brute strength can be reflected easily and defeat their best move in mere 1sec like what happen to railgun instant defeat in 1sec when her strongest attack failed.. and as for Mind Control since that ability doesn't work from level 4 above since they have natural barrier against it she is also useless lets not talk about the unknown 6th ranker since obviously he is also not a match. As for Second Rank he is the only capable of bypassing First Rank barrier and reflect But Accelerator calculation ability is equivalent to a super computer even if he is a level zero he is the most smartest in the academy city smarter than scientist which is why even if Second Rank can fight First Rank he is still inferior since Second Rank ability "Dark Matter" is also included in First Rank Ability when he is his near level 6 shift state "Imperfect Angel Mode". The only who can beat Accelerator is Hyouka and the other Fake Angel who beat him to pulp.. That is because the two are equivalent of level 6 or in magic term ANGELS, Accelerator can only reach their level and become stronger than them when he finally mix both magic and science esper ability he casted the same spell used by index to Last Order to suppress Hyouka but what he do i cast it to himself (The spell is in a form of song) as a result he is indeed compatible to evolve into higher being an Angel. That's the very reason why they focus on him to reach level 6 or Angel mode since anyone from rank-3 will die instantly upon reaching level 6 for example mikasa's angel mode is only for a minutes and will destroy her body and explode destroying the entire academy city itself. Second Rank is considered back up plan but that him reaching level 6 w/ help of science but accelerator reached level 6 by combining magic and esper ability.

[@magallanthepenguin9132]

how does shokuhou's ability work again? can accelerator block her? also can shokuhou use a teleport esper to teleport objects into accelerator? does that even work?

[@AeonofHorus]

It uses moisture/bioelectricity in the brain, on paper that should have vectors so that statement from the novels that i included in the video is kinda wack. Acceleartor is immune to teleportation, apart from the 'asport' ability shown in the accel anime.

[@NasserLaux]

This is when they say "Accelerator Solos"☝🤓

[@shadowofdemons4593]

Yo te conozco

[@piusengupta4445]

Don't Accelerator have resistance to mind manipulation? I am pretty sure Shokuho can't manipulate Accelerator. Also the white wings appear when Accelerator wants to protect someone right?

[@AeonofHorus]

He should do, but yeah I included the quote which suggests Mental Out can work on him

[@V2ULTRAKill]

​@@AeonofHorusit seems more likely it can work when hes not able to use or not using the misaka network to fight Because the fact it doesnt work on misaka means there has to be vectors involved, which if he can calculate using the network, she cant mind control him.

[@question9581]

Not necessarily mind manipulate, Misaki uses signals and manipulation's brain fluid to do her stuff so Accel can resist that since it's physical. But something like the blind dragon who is completely mental would probably take him out.

[@piusengupta4445]

@@question9581 Accelerator resisted Nephthiphs's mine manipulation, no?

[@question9581]

@@piusengupta4445moisture manipulation yes also physical.

[@BakedBanana]

oh?

[@AeonofHorus]

OH

[@neon_undercover2865]

Idk Acc can block the light itself to don't affect him and Misaki ability is to control the mind of his victims using this way( touching the subject, us an remote control that mean the IR light and electromagnetic waves ) Accelerator can block waves easily, fight over .

[@sirjoker1267]

Big Kak?

[@AeonofHorus]

HUGE KAK (Kakine)

[@rafaeldasilvaromero3362]

Some points to take note of: While Shokuhou could do something about Accelerator's mind, that's on paper only, Accelerator got brain damaged and now he can't use his calculation on his own. For Mental Out power to work out when Accelerator is in esper mode, she would need to be as strong as the Misaka network and know how it works out. I don't see that happening without Exterior aid, and even then is not a guarantee. Even if we use the strongest Accelerator we have right now, if Misaka has access to the AAA then she could actually get some advantage. Kihara Noukan said that if Rensa-ciborg was made to defeat espers if necessary, then he and the AAA where made to beat the irregular beings, including even Aiwass, so is probably to be something that can counter black, white and even platinum wings. Aihana Etsu is the real deal here. We can talk about strategies and chances, but all of that relies a bit on luck and skill, and if Aihana can actually get the better of the level 5, then the chances of these options become more likely to happen. There other things to think about, but these tree sums the main points I guess.

[@missskabls2247]

👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[@RealLifeIronMan]

Mental Out working on Accelerator is fair. Mental Out is hax and mostly bypasses power levels. That doesn't mean Accelerator is anything less than #1. The comparisons between Espers doesn't have to be linear. It could be like rock paper scissors (think pokemon starters), where match up wins could be somewhat circular and circumstancial. Just for example (may not be accurate): Accelerator beats Misaka, Misaka beats Misaki, and Misaki beats Accelerator.

[@actuallyreallybored]

Problem is Misaki isn’t exactly immune to overestimating her powers and #3 cannot be controlled thanks to her control over electricity. (e.g. Misaki may not know Accelerator can use his power on brains). Accelerator’s Vector manipulator can overide Misaka’s Control over her electricity so he might still just nope Mental Out, he has explicitly done some ridiculous mental screwery to brains before using that control though he may have to lower his Reflection Defenses. Misaka Network Accelerator is probably just outright immune. 20000 Mini #3’s + Accelerator’s Data Manipulation is just too much for Shokuhou. Edit: Not to mention there’s no way in hell Accelerator hasn’t fought practically every form of Esper Mind Manipulation before. This is a guy who regularly gets jumped by people. No way no one thought, “Well lets try Mental abilities”.

[@RealLifeIronMan]

@@actuallyreallybored The theory that Accelerator can reverse Mental Out is just that a theory. Word of God is that Mental Out can control Accelerator. Apparently, the automatic defense of Accelerator doesn't work on Mental Out (since the author said Mental Out is able to get past it to control Accelerator). Once under control, Accelerator can not consciously reverse Mental Out. Even in the unlikely scenario where Accelerator could consciously reverse the control aspect of Mental Out, the permanent brain damage Mental Out can cause to it victims is irreversible. Not even Imagine Breaker can reverse the brain damage.

[@actuallyreallybored]

@@RealLifeIronMan I'm gonna ask for Source but I guess that's fair. Accelerator's lone power loses to MO. Still don't think it would on Misaka Network Accel otherwise the 6 Shift wouldn't have occurred.

[@RealLifeIronMan]

@@actuallyreallybored The source is cited in this video. That author said that in a Q&A.

[@actuallyreallybored]

@@RealLifeIronMan In hindsight, I should probably stop spamming the 10s skip sometimes lol.

[@Яков-н2ц]

Hello, I rarely write comments, but as an author you are very interesting to me. In such a comparison, I've always wondered why "Kakine" can't beat the Accelerator. The plan for how he can win is very simple. Just remove all the oxygen on the planet and the Accelerator lost everything. Taking into account the infinite clones and the properties of dark matter, it is not difficult to do this. If he wants people to pour out, then let him cover them with his matter and provide oxygen. Or simply destroy the earth's magnetic field. To cool the core of the planet, etc. in this case, first we save the right people, then we destroy the planet and hooray, we won. If we are talking about platinum wings, then it turns out the same as it was in the Dragonball manga when Goku and Vedgeta, having a blue super Saiyan and huge strength, could not go into outer space and had to restrain the power of their attacks so as not to destroy the planet. I wish everyone who has finished reading this a good day . I apologize in advance English is not my native language.

[@Xeta3]

Base accelerator pre headshot, no wings, took control of the entire earth's rotation and slowed it down. Now, with his power ups, and ability to control vectors from a distance, he can logically and very likely would just negate kakines actions of removing oxygen, destroying the planet and other such possibilities of wide spread damage. Then again accelerator can alter gravity vectors, he could just ramp up the force of gravity and pin all the clones in place. Or since he can now interact with dark matter via vectors, he can just control the dark matter directly. Aka touch a clone and have it blow apart. Or... with white wings, alter the vectors of all darkmatter in the area and force it into a single point, and destroy it. Accel has sooooo many possibles in regards to what he can/could do, it's not even a close fight. Example, if he really wanted to kill everyone except kakine with one move, all he would have to do is pull out his white wings so he can alter vectors without touch, steal the rotation energy from the earth, as he's already done, and then transfer that to the other level 5s, and just accelerate them at eachother 😂. Or simple invert gravity's directional vectors and ping everyone into space. 😅

[@Яков-н2ц]

​@@Xeta3 В таком случае получается очень много сюжетных дыр если мы принимаем за данность что с белыми крыльями он может управлять векторами в радиусе планеты. Ну для начала 1 просто положить пока акселератор уснёт и тогда меняй. 2 ему нужно время на то чтобы включить колье. 3 можно солнце потушить. 4 можно взять его вычислительные данные из рэнсы, данных кифары аматы, и проекте 6 уровня и просто создать с помощью тёмной материи ещё акселератор. Таким образом "Какине" Получит и векторный контроль и в бессмертном теле.

[@Яков-н2ц]

Если рэнса смогла создать белые крылья что мешает "какине" Создать много рэнс

[@Misaka05050]

​@@Xeta3 > he can logically and very likely would just negate kakines actions of removing oxygen. If this is NT6 Kakine, then that won't matter. Plus, Kakine can just create his own oxygen using Dark Matter if this is OT Kakine. > Destroying the planet and other such possibilities of wide spread damage. He can slow down the earth's rotation, but he can not destroy the planet. If he did, he'll be stuck in space with no oxygen. So he'd be killing himself, while NT6 Kakine is still sentient in space as he requires no oxygen due to not being an organic being. > The rest of the comment going over how Accelerator can compress all Dark Matter in the area and force it into a single point, and destroy it. He's never shown to do that, even in his second fight with Kakine, nor has he shown to do this with his wings out. In fact, Accelerator was struggling in their second fight. To the point where Kakine almost killed him by impairing his calculations through psychological warfare but was saved by Mugino. Plus, Accelerator is able to reflect Dark Matter but has never shown manipulating it directly. That's like saying that Accelerator can just alter the force of gravity through out all his fights, but he has never went that route.

[@imaginerejector1429]

Spoilers for GT and Biohacker: If you rank the Beginning Child and Frillsand #G, Accelerator could struggle without his power ups.

[@maxmorals9701]

I think Kankei is literally the only one but I think no I believe Misaka will one day take his #1 spot. As Misaka seems to be only using a fraction of her potential. Electricity has a lot more uses then what is currently displayed by Misaka

[@cybqr]

accelerators brain is damaged so like wouldnt her power not work? like she can control him a bit but not fully like they would be fighting for control

[@TacoLex]

Amazing content as always. Kamachi’s work inspiring this expanded approach to this question is amazing. However, AoH, would you ever consider comparing Toaru’s characters/power systems to say like Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts? Would be interesting to compare the Magic Sides top spells to something in FF. Would Donald’s Zettaflare out scale some of the massive magic spells in Toaru? That’d be hilarious to see talked about 😂

[@Chinese_Name]

B..but Misaka should be able to defeat Accelerator easily cause she can use iron sand and she's versatile as well. No it's not Level 5's win it's Kakine's win.

[@AeonofHorus]

Big Kak

[@khairoohsem6327]

I'm mean plot armour pre awaken imagine breaker neg this guy and others too

[@Moshi_Teitoku]

1st

[@AeonofHorus]

Sasuga

[@goldenknight100]

sasuga

[@typeouetco1626]

Beetle barely use dark matter and definitively doesn't create a network out of fear that the first DM Kakine would take over. We already know that DM Kakine straight up beats Accel in a 1v1, there's nothing Accelerator can do

[@donovanlarsen7982]

Couldn’t Sogita just copy Accelerator’s reflection to cancel it and beat him in a fist fight.

[@V2ULTRAKill]

The problem is most likely Hes too stupid (hence why hes rank 7 and not rank 1)

[@hotkot5054]

In Imaginary Fest was scene where Accelerator and Gunha fight each other. Gunha's power was reflected. Just think about it, Gunha don't know how his powers work and can't perfectly control them. And even if he copy Accelerator's power, who will control vectors better? Gunha who don't know how works his own power, alone other esper powers, or Accelerator who perfectly knows his own power and vector math?

[@donovanlarsen7982]

@@hotkot5054 But Gunha doesn’t really need to control vectors better, just enough to get past Accelerator’s defenses. Given the statement on what he could do if he knew how to use his powers correctly, we already know that Gunha is inherently more powerful than Accelerator, and a better hand-to-hand fighter.

[@hotkot5054]

@@donovanlarsen7982 Firstly, if Gunha can't handle vectors better than the Accelerator, then his blow will not go further than the Sugitani attack from Volume 19 of the Old Testament. It will be like a conflict of abilities where the less perfect one will receive more significant damage anyway. Secondly, what means "Given the statement that he could have done if he knew how to use his powers properly, we already know that Gunha is inherently more powerful than Accelerator and the best hand-to-hand combat fighter."? How to understand this statement?

[@hotkot5054]

@@donovanlarsen7982 If you mean that he could beat Ollerus if he knew how to use his powers, then tell me is it logical for us to use the basic version of Accelerator if we use the strongest version of Gunha? Maybe we should compare their strongest versions? Gunha who can theoretically defeat Ollerus and Accelerator who really can wound and kill Majin.

[@RipsharkTV]

lol I Hate the way you pronounce Kakine (Kah - Key - Neh)