Why AI artists and artists can't be friends | Fear of AI Art

[@magnum567134]

Well, the first problem is that they keep calling themselves "artists"

[@Mente_Fugaz]

the second is that they are parasytes who steals and make profit with your works

[@shiba-404]

Yup, BS artists because they're full of it🫠

[@TheSuperStroker]

I see transphobia is alive and well in this comment thread.

[@kaoset1237]

Cybernetic limbs are more important than ai gen.

[@J.A.F.E-2006]

Yeah and so is using Machines for Construction or Clean Energy

[@DefamedRice]

It's not fear. It's just realizing society has taken another step closer to devaluing the work of people who have dedicated themselves to something and calling them losers because their work has no value because they themselves devalued it. I just started working at the post office and the pay is not bad btw.

[@cosmicllama6910]

One part that really bothers me is I highly doubt the people calling us luddites would be calling Keanu Reeves a luddite if he decided he wanted to keep doing acting himself instead of just letting his likeness be generated. The contempt is very specifically and suspiciously reserved for visual artists. WE are told to "just get over it" and "get real jobs" but I would bet my legs none of them will be saying that to their favorite actors and musicians.

[@dimanarinull9122]

I would not call most artists luddites, being afraid of tech companies stealing your art to train their models on without pay is a real concern regarding real infringements on your rights. But beyond that? I would mostly just call them ignorant of the facts. You still need a graphic designer to use AI art without looking incompetent like WOTC or many other companies caught blatantly using AI art - this CANNOT be fixed, it's a feature of the technology. AI is just a buzzword, it's "procedural image generation with organic algorithms" if you want to get into technical details but that sounds WAY less cool than "generative AI" Just like the gen-AI tools like chatGPT are just "word prediction with stupid amounts of math and a vectorized dictionary" there is no comprehension of meaning or learning done, just clever manipulation of the human need to anthropomorphize everything. Gen-AI is all smoke and mirrors.

[@KimberlyPinkney]

I was thinking of companies and people milking the likenesses of deceased actors and performers via AI after their deaths. It's been done with taking a hologram of Whitney Houston on tour. I remember seeing art made of Frida Kahlo for sale when I was researching her. It's nothing to see the Beatles and Marilyn Monroe, Biggie, Tupac and more likenesses on merch for sale at a store. No royalties to their estates. If there's a market desire for these performers, live or dead someone will try to exploit and manipulate them.

[@KimberlyPinkney]

Actually, some imperfections can be fixed on some art within the sites now. I saw in Leonardo ai there's a section where you can use a graphical option similar to mspaint. I never tried it but if you don't like what you see, you can also hit generate again and again, building up to what you want by getting close to what you want and manipulating the prompt. It's frustrating at times.It's faster for me to just draw what I want myself.

[@PeterHowell]

@@dimanarinull9122 They probably wouldn't, but more because they're not equivalent. "This thing does a large portion of your job" is a bit different from "this thing creates movies indistinguishable from you, personally."

[@dimanarinull9122]

@@PeterHowell which they are you talking about? And "large portion of your job"? It's almost exclusively low-level jobs like juniors and apprentices. It may be lost jobs, but places that want quality will still hire those low-level positions if they are smart.

[@HugeFrigginGuy]

I think you really came at this from every side with as much empathy and good faith as is possible! One thing, and I've pretty much mentioned this before, is that I work on art not just to make at art, but because I find the improvement of my abilities to be so satisfying. With generative AI art, it will at best always remain the quality of it's inputs (or lower), so if I were to train a model on my work, it would never improve. Its a kind of stagnancy I could not bear. That said! If someone wanted to create an AI tool that would flat my panels for me, or draw out my perspective grids, I would happily use that tool to free me of the tedium of those two tasks! I would also take a smarter word balloon tool... and maybe an assistant that would let me know when I go too off model.... also one that finds paying clients....

[@randomclod385]

Dang, that beginning sums it all up. Awesome work haha

[@amethystimagination3332]

Ai users from what I’ve seen are not only uncreative but extremely incurious. They say it all the time, they don’t care about art or the artistic process, they just want a cool picture. It’s a prime example of intellectual laziness

[@doompoison2365]

AI prompters*

[@localnuisance6429]

exactly. as well as AI images* i refuse to normalize attaching the word "art" on computer-made slop.

[@Thedarkbunnyrabbit]

See, you can't be friends with AI artists when you're disrespectful out of the gate.

[@icantsleep845]

@@Thedarkbunnyrabbit Why is that disrespectful?

[@billieeisenhower406]

​@@Thedarkbunnyrabbit you realize they thrive on plagiarism...

[@benparker2522]

They aren't artists though, if I describe an image to an artist, and they draw it for me, I'm not the artist. If the 'artist' is ai, I'm still not the artist​@Thedarkbunnyrabbit

[@scarletsletter4466]

The irony is that AI is actually replace the tech bros such as software engineers & tech jobs in general more than it’s replacing us. This is partly due to the US Copyright office decisions that AI images are public domain therefore now every big studio makes you sign promising that you won’t use AI when freelancing

[@amethystimagination3332]

And ai just isn’t as good as it’s advertised, people talk about it like it’s magic instead of what it really is, a slightly more advanced Siri. And it’s flaws are only going to get worse as more ai is scraped into it and creating ai inbreeding

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Actually not entirely correct! Its not good with coding either! Everytime a company used it to make it faster, the poor human coders had to put more time in to fix basic mistakes. Be it by tracking down the piece of bad code (which can take a fair while if its pages of that!) to giving up and just rewriting it completely. LLM are only viable for companies and their stock prices. And the people who actually work with LLMs and know how they work? They dont trust LLMs for good reasons.

[@RosesnWater]

Yah, this is such a complicated topic, you have a very personable and honest way of communication. Hopefully either side can appreciate that.

[@Silverspecks]

AI art looks like it is all done by like three people.

[@jenm7155]

Agree. I see the same 3 to 4 faces over and over on Pinterest by many different pinners. It’s crazy. So unoriginal, but it makes blocking them easier.

[@Gamingpandacat]

it technically is, its a tool for mediocrity and bandness, there is nothing to gain from generative images other than "it look pretty" no story telling no vision no intent

[@hemlocktea6643]

It does all kinda look the same. They have the same style like it's trying too hard

[@Mightydoggo]

They´re not "scared" they´re pissed that AI bros stole from them and rightfully so. There´s a lot of cool stuff you could do with automation as an artist already, even without ai. You don´t need unethical AI for anything. Also AI prompters are among the most creative bankrupt people i´ve ever seen. Yeah you can give a monkey a typewriter, but they still ain´t going to write a Sherlock novel.

[@Mente_Fugaz]

being friend with an AI user it's like being friend with a parasyte that is draining you while saying "adapt to it, this is the future"

[@hatoru17]

Image generator users always say the same thing that this is a tool, but from the behavior I've seen, it's more of a crutch. They don't work with the tool they claim is so useful. They just tell it what to do and let it do the bulk of the work. Being handicapped is one thing and I can empathize with it cuz there's not a whole lot they can do. However the majority of image generator users have no real excuse. There's no passion to actually work with the art or the tool. It's just "type prompt and whatever comes out is good enough." To an artist, the tool you use is the extension of yourself. For the time you have it, it is your equal and partner. This is one of the major reasons I dislike it. It's easy to forget these fundamentals using it because to some people the technology is just so perfect in their eyes that they don't even bother. The second is an environmental one. I'm just going to leave it as is cuz I know how these arguments about the environment turns out. The third one is how easy it can be abused by bad people, but this extends to all AI that's used to manipulate digital programs by text, art and voice. Something like that may be inevitable, but in this day and age where we can hardly live without technology, it's an extremely dangerous thing without something in place to combat it. And the thing that made me dislike it is the attitude of the people who use it. This whole thing stemmed, not from people who won't accept it, but by people who purposefully antagonized artists right out the gate the moment the generator program was made public. Having new technology is one thing, but when you purposefully bully and insult other people telling them to their face that they're worthless, then of course they're going to reject it harder. And what made it more diabolical was that they wanted people to fight back out of some twisted satisfaction believing that there was nothing that an individual can do. They steal another person's artwork while they're in progress then show the completed version of it and demand credit for it. They harass and bully other artists to make more artwork so they can feed these programs. When I saw how evil these people were in just the first couple of months of this, I avoided these generators like the freakin plague. They weren't selling to people the benefits of the generator. They wanted hostility. And because of that, it completely killed any interest I could have had in it. I did try it out because a friend of mine forced me into it for our chat group, and I immediately hated it. No matter how meticulous the prompt was, it never gave me what i was looking for. Another thing that it just didn't feel right. I didn't feel like I controlled anything, and because of my personal experiences as I mentioned, I just felt detached from the whole process. That was the first and last time I well ever use an image generator. And so far I have not seen anything that would change my mind.

[@NorthgateLP]

Thank you for this video. It's one of the few videos around this topic which I can actually emphasize with. And that's because it's honest. Unfortunatelly that's rare but also refreshing! Thumbs up!

[@daniellaemeline]

AI art is similar to those B-rated movies, they are so bad but the majority love it (especially big companies that don't want to pay extra cash for artists) And art by artists is similar to high quality indie movies. Not many appreciate it, but those who appreciate it are a loyal audience.

[@ndbern42]

I hope we're not there yet 😰

[@seanjones9902]

As someone who occasionally uses AI especially in Photoshop and is also an artist, I believe the biggest issue with Ai lies in the ethical concerns. If companies hadn’t scraped art without consent, it might not be such a pain point. Secondly, AI "artists" aren't truly artists-though that might be hard for some to hear. Typing prompts isn’t art; it’s data entry that anyone can do without practice or skill development. Thirdly, AI-generated art will stick around until people grow tired of it. As artists, we'll never stop creating. Yes, the art industry will see some changes, and professions will be impacted, but we need to adapt to the evolving landscape.

[@nittani.]

Yes but you shouldnt put down any sort of ai work im an artist my self but i think ai should be used to inbetween frames but then again thats the junior animators position

[@nonamesorry7135]

Can you imagine the audacity. Of plagiarising work. And then telling people who created it "you're just scared". The fact that this is even legal to do boils my blood. You know what would happen if I took whole sentences from books and or scientific journals and started calling it "my work", god forbid selling it? It would be an actual crime. But of course doing this to artists is not a crime, because we are all worthless :) our work never matters. We are underpaid, then replaced with our OWN STOLEN WORK, and then discarded like filth that we are to others. There is no discussion in my mind about AI art. Doing this, in the state it is in today is immoral (at least selling it, using it as reference doesn't really hurt any one but still). My solution would be to ASK PARTICULAR ARTISTS FOR PERMISSION TO USE THEIR WORK, then pay them part of what the ai module is earning. And even then, I heard of people who can not find any jobs any more, already due to AI replacing them. So that wouldn't fix that particular issue anyways.

[@cevisongis4167]

This Vid has been posted at least twice on the AI Wars sub lol! I'm fully paid up Suno subscriber, totally on board with AI art in all forms. Think I can pour more fuel on the fire lol! First thing is I think AI doing Art and Music and the technology being accessible to so many people for so cheap so quickly is a shock. For decades theres been a lurking trope that AI has always been about Maths, logistics, robotics, anything where 'thinking like a computer' would help. Where AI was basically following a programmed script and that 'learning' was going to be an upgrade to an android with a positronic brain in the year 3500 and that councils of scientists and philosophers were going to debate about it's rights and limitations etc. But suddenly 3 or 4 years ago we saw some fuzzy pictures where a computer had managed to spit out a landscape and now we're here and the AI door isn't getting shut again! The other issue is that I'm totally selfish. I LOVE my own AI generated music. The Suno Reddit calls this 'Suno-Phonia' the phenomenon that whatever you make no matter how garbage it technically is sounds great to the person who makes it. What I don't like is the process of finding music. Spotify is awful, KZbin, Apple, Amazon or whatever else are awful, production companies are awful, most artists are awful! I just gave up looking for something new years ago. Now suddenly I can make a tri-lingual electronic anthem with a symphonic orchestra which makes me feel super inspired when im jogging with my headphones on, for maybe a euro or two instead of dredging Spotify for some artist in the hope that there might be one who does something similar. Any arguments about sound quality don't matter. I listen to music through cheap headphones whilst I'm running or at the gym or through a car radio in the rural part of whatever small European country I live in. Am I being an ass?... yeah! a bit... But I don't see a world where AI is going to be back in the box and I do see a creative industry which has struggled with modernisation. If some people in the industry could drop the snobbery around it a bit, accept that its something which needs to be worked around not fought against and if the person made this video just said 'sod it' and got MidJourney to do the backgrounds for their comics, they could probably make more panels a day or more time to expand the story they want to tell and honestly nobody who brought their comics would even care!

[@kapt819]

Wow. Well said 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@bgck2798]

Great Video 🙏 thanks for the 360 approach I live from doing designs and commercial artwork and sit right in the middle at the moment. When customers ask for AI, I always say to them - yes, I can use AI when you're simply ok with what is generated. When you want any amount of specific result, it is simpler to do it traditionally. Some say cool, so use Ai. Then they have suggestions, corrections, new ideas, and want some more options to choose from… in the end, the amount of money they have to spend is more or less the same, because the time I need does not differ much.

[@GeahkBurchill]

Here’s the problem with the idea of an artist training a model exclusively on their own art. It can’t work. These companies have already admitted in court that the model doesn’t work without the massive amount of stolen data. All models that exist are forks of that original model. They all rely on millions of pieces of art from all of human history. You can then add your work and tell it to only produce work in your style but it will still need thousands of pieces of you work to work and it will still draw Bart Simpson. You can’t turn back the clock. The training data is in there. It was unethical to begin with. You might as well make a knife from human bone and the teeth of slaves to cut your tomatoes with. It doesn’t matter how mundane the task you use it for it was built on suffering.

[@Panacea_archive]

Actually you can fine tune on a particular style. The vast amount of data isn't about style but about creating a world model on the neural network. Once it is done the model can be fine tuned to make certain pictures. Try it yourself, make an attempt at making a model fine tuned on Manga and Anime draw classical art or with a Belgian comic style. It will fail.

[@Mightydoggo]

Don´t forget the millions of clickworkers in India that had to teach the models what looks "right" and "wrong."

[@Toshiro_Mifune]

there is no ai artist, you mean a prompter?

[@ndbern42]

I don‘t know, do I?

[@fattackycats]

Great points! I don’t understand why we want to automate the creation process of making art at all. The whole point of art is the creation process, not the end product. We should be automating jobs we hate, not ones we love. AI can be used for many great purposes, but why art? It’s not impressive that these people are essentially commissioning a computer to make the art for them. There is nothing to appreciate there. I don’t know if AI art users will be able to understand us artists and our criticisms of AI art. It may be something we won’t be able to compromise on. Just realized I commented on an older video thinking it was a newer one…the KZbin algorithm is so strange.

[@thelemmallama]

You know people who draw with their mouths? Is their art up somewhere online? I'd love to see what they're actually making, rather than just hearing about them abstractly ... I also made a response video, and I already feel like a grifter by mentioning it. Feel free to ignore this part lmao

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

I know it sounds a bit weird but I promise theyre a real group Mouth and Foot Painting Artists (AMFPA) Check em out

[@thelemmallama]

@@elvingearmasterirma7241 Just looked them up; thanks! Perchance do you know any digital artists that draw with something that isn't their hands? (no worries if not; just everyone I looked up seems to be painters or otherwise traditional artists)

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@thelemmallama None that I know of for sure. I guess there is, statistically, a digital artist out there who does. They just havent said or dont want to for whatever reason

[@solls2]

I've been drawing longer than some of you have been alive. You can use these tools to take your stuff to the next level, not necessarily commercially (even though you can) but for your own amusement. The reaction of most people, they think they own "art". You can use semantics, label it whatever you want, criticize whomever you want -- no one owns human expression. People will express themselves with whatever tools are accessible and available to them, and there will always be traditional avenues as well as digital ones. But none of you own human expression -- coerced through computers or otherwise. No one has come up with a logically sound argument against the use of AI in the past two years or we wouldn't be having these discussions still. Keep coping or accept reality and use it to improve whatever it is you're doing, or don't. Doesn't mean other people can't choose to use these new tools, because they're incredible and endlessly amusing.

[@gothcentaur]

I can’t really say AI art is valid,considering how it steals directly from existing artists to get the results that it does. It would be fine if it was just used for dumb filters or a bit of fun from people who are curious,but nowadays people are actually trying to sell it,which,for previously stated reasons,is all kinds of wrong. And I’ve had all sorts of ai bros come at me just for saying ai art isn’t real art,because it’s not. They’re so insecure that they’d attack a real artist just for being right about something they don’t know shit about. Ai art will never be art,I don’t give a damn. These ai “art” bros should just go tape some bananas to some walls,because at least they’d actually be doing that with their own two hands

[@paullebleu7079]

Because Ai users don't mean to understand anything in Art, they're not artists and have to stop comparing diffusion and illustration.

[@godversesans5152]

Some people on reddit are now comparing ai art to literal rape.

[@sunla]

That one seems extreme, but I get the angle. Both are violating and dehumanizing in the name of personal pleasure at the expense of another person, essentially using them, but the method doesnt involve physical touch. It is still ruining people, their careers and income, it is still violating, and it is still destroying honest peoples' trust in others. Apples and oranges are different; they're both still fruit at the end of the day.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

I hate to be the one to break this to you. But it has been used and is still being used by horrible people to make fake r rated stuff of people. Mainly of women. And... children. Not just generated stuff. But they also target specific people, once again mainly women. So yea. Not too far off tbfh. And I say this as a survivor myself

[@Magnusmm88-wp4it]

So you're afraid of losing your praise?

[@henrymapleton]

Ai generated content is like 3d printing or proxies, its a low tier cheapo option to be able to get into something new and be part of a community thats inspiring and fun. Same as drawing, pixel art, painting miniatures, ai generated content, whatever else i'll pick up in the future. I'm always upfront, used to do pixel art, now I mostly do ai generated content now a days as the novelty is fun, i'm see and hearing people enjoy it, and its persuading me to learn video editing and prompt/description writing, something I can admit I undervalued going into it.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

I would suggest you just focus on learning creative things that doesnt use a needless amount of water and energy in a single day. No seriously, you should look it up and see the effects these llm are having on our planet. Its b a d

[@TheLobstersoup]

It always looks so effortless to see a longterm artist outline. AI is effortless, too. However, to be able to draw a sketch on your level you do need thousands or tenthousand hours of practice. To become really good as an artist takes serenity and practice = work. Because watching analog artists draw seem effortless, newcomers often think they just don't have the skill and will look at shortcuts. And I will say AI can be a tool during sketching and thumbnailing, because AI helps create variation. And artists also use 3D programs for backgrounds and things like gradient maps for coloring. The argument that every brushstroke has to be human made is just dumb when you are working on a computer. What I am worried about is that a lot of depth will get lost. The way we came to drawing (when there was no AI, yet) is through comparison and understanding what we did wrong. AI art, however, will always look right enough and we would learn very little from creating it. And making comics is an organic process (for me) that goes back and forth between image and dialog. Writing and layout really influences what I draw and iterations in imagery change my writing or at least the layout. When you get everything in one take with AI it's tempting to just go with it and learn nothing from it. I think it is fair to view AI as a tool for iteration and idea generation, just like Blender and Maya are tools for 3D (background) generation. It would be foolish to cross it off and ignore it. But if you are an artist, at least that is my ambition, you will not want AI to generate your images. You want it to generate offspring to your ideas and enhance what you already have. That way, AI becomes an assistant, more than a replacement. And to me that is fully ok. It can actually mean you will grow faster and learn more by using it. Just don't depend on using it, or it isn't your own art any more.

[@Mik-s2l]

I do drawing by hobby, who here does it as a career, if so has anyone had a problem with ai on their career

[@kamerondonaldson5976]

how non ai artists sound to ai artists: noooo the paintbrushes are stealing our jobs!

[@БриарВсемогущий]

The statement in the title of the video is incorrect and does not make sense.

[@stevedowns284]

Big companies will get rid of real artists, then pay peanuts.

[@dimanarinull9122]

If you are as good as Pewds or better - you are and will always be better than AI. Source: Software Engineer who uses AI tools and a solo gamedev. I can detail the various inherent issues and limitation of the technology but basically, AI can only make 'average'. it lacks style and technique which most decent artists can bring easily, and every person with passion for art and dedication can reach in some capacity. Make them understand you are worth the money, and hopefully someone will moderate corporations that steal art without pay and permission(the only real issue with ai art)

[@juniortism]

Ai image creators should learn to draw , I am a accomplished artist and digital and traditional art , so what I create is far more interesting and conceptually stimulating, ai images is just that a image

[@RentsLeague]

I think democratize can mean -make (something) accessible to everyone. Or at least google dictionary, oxford languages does... but keep er going

[@Tommy9834]

I'm fascinated by A.I. art's ability to make people flip flop. One example of this is an artist who commercialize their art, would be called "sellouts" by other artists, and the word "sellout" was always thrown around when you just didn't like another artist. Now here comes A.I. art, which doesn't affect an artist's ability to create art and express themselves through art, but does disrupt the artists from "selling out" but now, we have to protect the artist's ability to sellout. The other major flip flop is everyone's stance on copyright laws. Before evertone hated copyright laws. Said it was only used by bullies to silence critics and competitors, and there were talks of how we should eliminate copyright as a whole since all it did was stifle the creativity of artists. But now here comes A.I. art, and now, copyright laws are our most sacred legal text and must be adhered to by everyone everywhere.

[@littledog3553]

Ai “artist” aren’t true artist, just users ai because they never draw it than prompt what they want

[@Panacea_archive]

Nah we aren't afraid. The cost of compute will only go down and artists won't stop publishing their art online anytime soon. Meaning even if we can't train a model on drawings, we will train it on photos and classical art, than people will fine tune the models on modern images or artworks. There is no stopping that wave

[@billieeisenhower406]

actual leech behavior

[@C052-ip9zs]

learn how to actually make art, you leach.

[@nittani.]

Yeep

[@Panacea_archive]

@@billieeisenhower406 We are all the leech of someone else.

[@ndbern42]

Why do I smell fear 🤔

[@MrRoflfox]

Great video, exept one thing; "feeling bad aboud going on vacation because its bad for the enviroment" (Im gonna assume you mean plane travel) I cannot fucking fathom what kind of a concieted person thinks this way. like, your existance daily, just using your computer year round is probably worse than any travel you do (if you travel rarely). Its just asinine, I understand that you are being vunerable. but bro you lost me there. I literally burst out in laughter.

[@ndbern42]

It was an example bro. Fuckin chill bro.

[@TheSuperStroker]

Once upon a time there was a caveman named Derp. Derp invented something called the wheel, which he fashioned a cart to make use of. The other cavemen understood that it would be wrong to use his invention since they did not create it themselves. One thing did not lead to another and before you knew it, the computer was not invented. Several decades later, as the final caveman died thanks to technological stagnation, he thought "well at least we didn't have to suffer pretentious Photoshop artists." The end.

[@sadboi714]

The best part of ai art is that the reason why people will continue to make art for the love of it. It will no longer be a mass commodity. The downside for the artist is there is less ability to make a living. However, i see it as Darwinism. Artists will be forced to turn in art on time and they cant afford to have a bad attitude either.

[@C052-ip9zs]

ok, now apply this to ALL jobs. and it's mostly you clients who have horrible attitudes.

[@Gamingpandacat]

so universal basic income is on the horizon

[@TheSuperStroker]

For those of you that use Photoshop or any other digital arts application: you are not real artists. Not only are you skipping all the import steps like mixing your own paint and stretching your own canvas, you are undercutting real artists who do. It's not fair. You didn't take the time to mix the colors yourself. There is no such thing as "undi" in real art. You are stealing what took others so long to learn how to create. And if you think that sounds ignorant, archaic, or ridiculous… It might be time for you to take a look at your own opinion on AI art and AI artists.

[@mazerumaze]

Are you okay? Do you need help? I know life without a functioning brain may be really hard, but we're all here for you, it's okay.

[@william3100]

​@mazerumaze can you explain a little bit what you find wrong with the above comment? I don't know much about this stuff and you seem certain in your thinking. Can I hear your perspective on this?

[@TheSuperStroker]

@@mazerumaze anyone want to explain satire to the npc?

[@jaredgreen2363]

I don’t have a problem with paying an art commission. I have a problem with forcing people to pay art commissions unnecessarily. I don’t have a problem with a disabled person finding more creative ways to hold and move a pencil. I have a problem with forcing disabled people to do so unnecessarily. I fully reject the notion that ai art is so unethical that one should be forced to find another way. Even if you could, that would not entail that you should or even must. It’s not just about disability. It’s not even about the physical ability to move a pencil. It’s also about the money we dont have, time we either can’t spare or can’t handle expending, and not even for general lack of patience. If I don’t know exactly how to do something, I might as well not try. This is involuntary and no amount of motivating will change it. And if you say that is reason enough to exclude someone from making art, you sound exactly like a conservative telling you to pull yourself up by the bootstraps.

[@sunla]

There are painters with no arms. Art is the most versatile and accommodating career. Disabled people make art all the time. That's the beauty of it. I think using disabled people to justify the disturbing behavior to help ones' self to others' hard work is possibly more gross than just doing it without looking for justification.

[@jaredgreen2363]

@@sunla I don’t. You didn’t read. It’s not ‘disturbing’ or in need of justification but for the artists who continually insist it’s unethical. Nobody would feel the need to defend something that wasn’t under major attack. There is simply no ethical dilemma except that made up by corporations as an anticompetitive measure.

[@kendallna5610]

the ai art fears is just digital art fears all over again just history repeating its self, some of you'll are to young to remember or wasn't born yet but i remember when people was just starting to use Photoshop to draw instead of its actual use as a photo editer, or then the ipad came out and apps like procreate allowed people to draw portability, the same arguments thats being used on ai art was also used on digital art. pot and kettle meet mirror

[@carultch]

The difference is, digital artists were coming up with original creations that didn't depend on computers copying the works of traditional artists. Digital artists were still putting in genuine human effort to make their work as well.

[@benparker2522]

No, they were still making the art, not having a program collage other people's art then calling it their own, it's not the same.

[@kendallna5610]

@@benparker2522 it does not matter end of the day the same arguments was still made

[@Irodeapentaceratopstoragnorok]

@@kendallna5610no- the previous commenters just explained why it isn’t the same thing. Photoshop/Procreate/drawing tablets still kept artists involved. Also these softwares and tools didn’t require the works of thousands of illustrators to be scrapped for their very existence. Also, Procreate was designed with artists in mind, generative ai is here with the intention to write creative people out of the process so CEOs and executives don’t have to pay artists anymore. They aren’t the same at all.

[@plutus2559]

I think it's more like photography. A lot of artists and engravers lost their jobs when newspapers and advertisers could print photos instead of commissioning illustrations. It's the remainder of those types of jobs that couldn't be replaced by photography that are going away now.

[@Thedarkbunnyrabbit]

I'm both a traditional artist and an AI artist. I'm friends with myself. We can be friends. The first step is just to understand that AI art is not, in any way, stealing. It's just another tool. An extremely useful one that you can choose to use or not, but are neither better nor worse for using or not using.

[@C052-ip9zs]

Why use AI if you can actually can draw?

[@chiari4833]

Every image generator A.I. is trained on LAION database a non profit research that scraped every image it could get it's tentacles on. Moreover it was then taken by profit organisations to sell their trained image generatora for profit. How do you call a situation when one person robs another of his copyrght posessions and make profit out of them, other than a theft? It essentially stole all those images without consent from people. It ia not juat another tool, because without the database it wouldn't be able to produce anyrhing more complex than a gobbled mudged mess. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and think that you are stating this, because you are uninformed. Research the topic, before you input your opinion. That is why the US regulators passed a law that nothing generated by a.i. can be copyrighted.

[@Thedarkbunnyrabbit]

@@C052-ip9zs Multiple reasons: 1 - Fun. It's fun to use. 2 - Speed. It speeds up your workflow considerably even if you only use AI in part of your work and not the whole thing. 3 - Quality. You can massively improve your quality of work by using AI assistance, even as a person who can draw without AI 4 - Concept art. This goes into 2 as well, but you can quickly experiment with a bunch of different concepts for characters or items or locations or whatever. Then, when you find something you like, you can build off of it. 5 - Reference. Rather than go looking for the perfect reference art for whatever you're making, you can quickly make reference art for yourself. 6 - Consistency. In projects or careers where consistency of art, especially consistency paired with speed, is necessary, AI can really help you prevent style or quality drift. It's especially useful in things like comics to avoid lazy panels.

[@magnum567134]

How do you figure it's not stealing?

[@Thedarkbunnyrabbit]

@@magnum567134 I figure that by it literally just not stealing by any accepted definition. It learns how to draw primarily from looking at photos of real things and then a small portion of drawn things - this is how most humans learn. It then practices over and over again until it draws an image in a way that is indistinguishable from the thing it is trying to draw, according to its own eye. Again, like a human does. Then, after enough time it has learned its lessons from references enough that it can make new art with no references, just the knowledge it has learned. Just as human artists do.