Why Are MTG Players Abandoning Real Cards For Proxys?

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[@MikeHatcher]

These proxys were sent to me for free by www.mtgproxy.com/ I was provided a code you can use to get a discount when getting your own proxys - HISTORIAN10 (works for the next two weeks)

[@rabbittodd]

these look amazing, but i am curious what is on the double face cards that is different? you said the regular cards say proxy back so its not counterfeit but the double face cards look correct printing (in your video at least) on both sides so what stops them being classed as counterfeit?

[@lookfat]

@@rabbittodd the foil thing at the bottom

[@rabbittodd]

@zach7594 seems dangerous as they also sell the foil stickers too - i know they aren't the same as the proper ones but would probably pass a quick glance

[@certanmike]

placed an order used your code hope they do more with you and freed up a lot of cards i used in more than one deck

[@HonkeyMagoo77]

Been saying this in your chat for awhile now. If you want to collect for value... Then by all means, collect for value. But if you just want to *PLAY* the game... Buy proxies. Why would I spend $100's of dollars on a premium commander deck when I can get the same thing for

[@tacoversustaco]

You wouldn't download a car! Me: *actively downloading a car*

[@frigginresulrum]

I heard that they bring in a jury of your peers, so I always seed generously

[@ryorai5804]

yo send me the link

[@Atmatan]

​@@frigginresulrumNot all heroes wear capes, but all heroes reseed at least the full value of their torrent 😊

[@bencheevers6693]

Actually I would

[@villainx91]

Actively 3D printing car parts that have no weight bearing

[@tyrant-thanatos]

when prices go up and quality goes down, customers DIY things. it's been the case in all kinds of industries for a long time now. it really shouldn't be a surprise at this point.

[@kennyredman8897]

💯

[@hunterkillerai]

We are at the point where recommending people to get proxy instead of WotC official card is not only not controversial, but starting to be the norm.

[@danthewafflelord3059]

MTGoldfish has an IMMACULATE proxy generator, where it will generate a PDF from a list of card names if you don't want to have to wait for proxy prints

[@printingproxies]

Amen

[@donaldopedro8148]

I recently got into modern and I was surprised that most playsets of the same cards had different shades.

[@tylerevans5641]

@@printingproxies you guys are the goat you keep my broke collage magic club fed with the money you save us

[@printingproxies]

@@tylerevans5641 love to read it :)

[@jesusojeda7850]

Well, WotC tried to sell us a pack of proxies for 1000 USD. If someone else sells a pack of proxies for less than 100 USD, it's common sense to save money.

[@Lornext]

Touche

[@nicholaspoignard6655]

WoTC has stated that it's totally cool if players want to print or make their own "playtest" cards to explore different power levels or to determine if a player wants to invest in actual product. Artists are already paid for their art in their artist contract so they got paid regardless of how many times WoTC prints the card. Buy product if you play in tournaments or are into the collectible aspect. Proxy to build a cube. Proxy with your friends if you want to actually play the game and have so much fun you soil your pants into another dimension.

[@endersblade]

I've replaced all of my EDH decks, 22 of them, with proxies. They cost about $50 a deck, but I can put any cards I want in them. Top quality prints. Companies that...Make Playing Cards...are now getting the money that WotC used to get.

[@thewhiteknight3945]

I'm picking up what you are putting down. I'm getting ready to put in a 600 card order now. But I'm making custom proxies (An adventure time deck for my friend, for example.)

[@Maroku]

My whole play group does this now.

[@salguodnandes4538]

where do you buy it?

[@turdferguson3091]

People can't afford luxury cardboard rectangles, inflation is insane and most people play casually now so there's no reason to use legit cards. Wotc deserves it. They've made a whore of their product.

[@ActualDeadMantis]

Full disclosure, I have a foil Manifold Key that I cannot remember if it is real or a counterfeit. Because when I first got interested in proxies I didn't know there was an alternative to (mostly bad) counterfeits. This one is only suspicious because it isn't curling. I'm obviously a huge proxy fan but I never wanted to rip off anyone. In fact I gave away a lot of my straight counterfeits to my LGS so they have something to compare if anyone tries anything shady. I never intended to defraud anyone. As soon as I found cards that weren't trying to be *real* cards (and often looked better than real cards) I went there and didn't look back. I just wanted the cards I wanted at a price I could afford. Good that you've embraced it, for it is the future.

[@supereece1337]

It's kind of baffling that wotc didn't see this coming. Focus on commander which is focused on casual kitchen table magic instead of standard which focuses on tournament style of play, then devalue the collectability of cards through rampant reprints and floods of sets, then wonder why people don't want to bother buying real cards for tournaments or collecting

[@Atmatan]

Or maybe they did, and it's intentional? Wizards is pro proxies for casual, always has been.

[@ganondorc8546]

Why not make the better choice for the people and print for casual, unique fun among friends rather than "gimme money" and bland repetitive competitiveness. I myself am happy with it; MAYBE it wasn't the best business decision, but ultimately games have proved time and time again that the F2P model just makes it more ubiquitous and thus brings in the whales which really make the money for them, so who knows?

[@chromarush1749]

Well, its actually the lack of reprints. That's causing players to proxy cards. That and removing the msrp means in a lot of places (big box stores mainly) MtG product can sell for double what it should be.

[@smack80]

Imma gonna proxy the Hatcher videos on my new channel, Gatcher.

[@XrossfadeV2]

In my 30s now and only playing with my friends every couple of weeks. Sold all of my decks for thousands and proxied them for fractions of the cost. I can build any deck I want for 50 bucks and thats invaluable to be able to afford modern day living costs. The price creep for MTG got too out of hand for me to want to continue purchasing any sealed product or buy new "big" cards for decks.

[@zachmoose3220]

Price creep? It doubled over night. I do agree however.

[@SifSehwan]

Wasn't expecting this when I clicked the link, consensus at my LGS is that the new art is shit and gets worse every set. The amount of people proxying the OG art, anime or just any custom art is increasing all the time. The owner lets it go since everyone keeps buying commander decks and splitting products is a common thing.

[@yurisei6732]

Custom art solves MTG's biggest problem, so it's definitely nice seeing it become increasingly common as people get used to proxies and realise that once they're not limited by official printing, they're not limited by official art either.

[@Slim3398]

I bought 612 proxies for $125. The price is too good and none went to WOTC

[@Vescense]

These proxies aren't even the quality you can get. Purchase from proxy universe, and you will get cards that are better than wotcs

[@Dubstepticon47]

@@Vescense proxy universe is 4 bucks per card, with no custom artwork. I'll stick with buying full art custom art proxies for 50 cents a card.

[@Vescense]

@Dubstepticon47 that's fine, I'm thinking our intentions are different. I buy proxies to play in high level tournaments where the decks can range from 5000-10000$ when I buy proxies I want something that passes for real.

[@Dubstepticon47]

@Vescense you realize that's illegal? Tournaments are the only setting where you can not use proxies. When you get caught, they will sue you. It has happened many times.

[@Vescense]

@Dubstepticon47 they are player run - not to worry:) cedh isn't recognized but wizards as a format. And many tourneys are 100% proxy friendly anyway, as a way to lower the bar for entry to new players who don't have 5 grand to drop on a competitive deck.

[@highwindknight]

I just checked their site and they have some options for bulk custom printing too, it's pretty great. I've already stopped purchasing any and all MTG product to begin with, and this also opens up custom card printing possibly for me, which would be more fun to play with some custom made cards. I simply play with friends to begin with and one friend just plays with printed images on simple paper in sleeves, so this is basically just getting a higher quality of that.

[@jaysuede2627]

I couldn't care less about people owning a copy of an artificially rare piece of paper. I just want people to play exciting decks.

[@yurisei6732]

Counterfeits are fine too tbh, realistically the vast majority of people aren't trying to sell their proxies anyway, but if they want their proxy to be as faithful as possible to the real card, good for them imo. And with proxies sometimes being higher quality than real prints, I wouldn't be complaining all that much if I got sold a counterfeit lol

[@ryanday633]

I have no issues with proxies, Infact I just proxied all my alpha duel lands because I simply don't want anything to happen to them. I've been playing old school 93/94 for a while now and it's nice to keep all the expansive cards in a binder at home and safe and use the proxies in there place. I only wish sanctioned events were a little more lenient on using them. As long as the original art and text is the same there shouldn't be a problem. Some events will allow them but not all.

[@dom19945]

Looking at custom art MTG cards on eBay right now. Yup, I hope people stick it to Wotc/Hasbro and buy cheaper alternatives instead.

[@lcronovt]

I told you! Proxies are the Future even before M30! They called me crazy but I was right! Mwahahahaha.

[@Sum124C]

So early in your vid you mention that the difference between a fake and a proxy is the backing, but then you pulled a pathway and Fable of the Mirror breaker which wouldn't have a fake back, was there anything else on those cards that would identify them as being proxies? I guess the quality of the card being better would likely give them away, just wondering if there was another way they differentiate them.

[@MikeHatcher]

That's an excellent point that I totally missed, I should write something on the back of those too somewhere. Thanks for bringing this up

[@m1gr3nA]

the collectors information section of the card should have been amended with similar information as the modified back. this makes the card clearly identifiable as playtest card without getting it out of the sleeve. also please note proxy card is a term used to indicate card stand-in issued by a judge at sanctioned event. those are playtest cards. i guess it's still fine to use the term "proxy" on the printed cards themselves since judges do not issue printed cards. :)

[@l.schaefer9274]

That's why artists also usually add proxy to the watermark in the bottom corner in addition. Mtg proxy uses actual cards from scryfall iirc so with those, you just have to rely on the quality differences.

[@Dubstepticon47]

The proxies I buy say PROXY on the back instead of the word magic.

[@printingproxies]

Yup! The holo stamp is not real. We only print it. Very easy to spot indeed

[@Andernol]

I love MTG, and have been playing for 10 years. During college, when I was living off $12k a year, and my expenses were well over $20k a year i started to question why would I EVER pay $40 for a piece of cardboard? $40 was 2-3 days worth of food for me, and I cant eat cardboard. After I got out of school, I continued to proxy. I do buy "counterfeit" cards sometimes, since I have a bit more disposable income but I always sharpie them with a "P" on the back of the card. I've found that as long as they're marked, nobody really has an issue. Plus i don't really sell or trade cards anyway.

[@Drewbe821]

Why waste money unless you're investing in the legit stuff, or are doing tournament grinding?🤷‍♂️

[@Olympus-Thas]

Proxying EVERYTHING is not necessarily smart. A $2 card that's real can get you $2 back (multiplied however many times). A $2 proxy is a waste of money. A card that's $200 getting proxied for 25 cents however, I feel is justified. By the time you turn and try to sell it, it may not be worth remotely close to what you paid for. Better to throw away a quarter then lose $30. I just print all of mine on paper with terrible quality to save money.

[@Olympus-Thas]

This argument feels pretty awful though once you've dropped $200 bucks on proxies even if you saved a lot of money. Main reason I switched to printing. It's just a game I want to play regardless of how it looks. (I have a $4 ink subscription so I'm not spending a ton on ink).

[@Drewbe821]

@Olympus-Thas now, an ink subscription seems like a budget win.👍

[@Atmatan]

​@@Olympus-ThasI worked for Epson and I can tell you for a fact that it costs less than 7 cents to manufacture a printer ink cartridge.

[@VexylObby]

@@Olympus-ThasI myself do not plan on reselling a game I love. If it gets to a point where nobody is playing anymore, then the value on my investment tanked anyways. This game should equal our retirement, it should be what we play when we retire!

[@kennethpearce2941]

The only creature I can think of that has a huge mono color mana cost is from Unglued. The B.F.M.

[@Eveniswrong]

I’ve had a proxy cube for a year. I love using my real unhinged cards and printing whatever powerhouse cards I choose. We have a lot of fun with it.

[@ryorai5804]

"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem..." I think wotc read this and got the wrong idea...

[@skeleton_magic]

I think the best part is you can pay $100 and get a whole commander deck for a friend who wants to play. That such a deck would actually have a good and robust manabase so it makes the actual gameplay a lot more smooth.

[@bwild40]

I fking love Proxys!!! I give wizards a little money each year for their good one product. Than I proxy a ton of cards to play and enjoy with my friends. The price points are way too high for bad quaity junk. I love magic so much but I proxy and play whatever i feel like lol. Best decision i've ever made lol.

[@shadowfox662]

I run a bunch of proxies in my commander decks. I usually try to the singles first from LGS's but if I can't find them I'll proxy then.

[@vakuzar]

It was always the best idea considering how expensive edh is, and I don't want to feel like I won/lost because I spent more

[@jhook6865]

I was against proxy cards for a long time. After Magic 30, I have made 3 cedh decks, mostly made up of proxies. I still like to have one of the original, but beyond that I've shifted my opinion on proxy cards.

[@mrcatchingup]

The forced scarcity way WotC prints is so bad that I decided to spend less money on real cards of the new stuff. Instead I decided to buy more ink for my printer to get exactly what I wnt in the quantities I want for multiple decks. This comes from someone that finished a set if Power 9 & 40 revised dual lands.

[@astrowerm]

ive been proxying off moxfield for almost two years now, i love it

[@JonathanSirico]

In 1995 my friends would call the game, Magic: The Money Gathering. You know, because it gobbles up all your money.

[@LeTeslaRaptor]

Sold my collection a few years back only to pick up proxies. Amazing timeline.

[@GhostlyGhost333]

Kind of like the original artwork for Archangel of Tithes from Magic Origins more than the Thunder Junction artwork.

[@GooseTronics]

the big switch for myself was magic 30... I felt excluded from celebrating a game I supported since the early days (started on ice age).

[@pyredynasty]

I have been tempted to get a set of prox moxes for my cube.

[@Kingnothing7x]

I obviously prefer real magic cards, but everything considered, proxies are cool with me I had a playset of gaeas cradle back in the day, long story short, went to basic and when i got back my cards were gone. I'm not paying 1000 dollars for a cradle, but having a proxy works just fine in commander, cube, casual, whatever, and makes a nice memory of my early mtg days

[@Kingnothing7x]

I actually printed out custom proxies for a cube I'm making, all 30 of the lands in the cube are retro style proxies with landscape photography of a different usa state. Did a washinton DC command Tower just for the hell of it lol

[@Lornext]

I buy all my MTG cards from ProxyKing now :D

[@kennethpearce2941]

Lol, I just looked up the French word for "delay". I see why you commented that way.

[@v1rtualv1k1ng]

Try piloting an Airbus, it shouts that at you everytime you land ...to remind you what you should be doing with the thrust levers.

[@BusinessSkrub]

It's never meant anything but. Anyone who uses it as an insult to disabled people is, themselves, quite slow.

[@drongobrat6471]

personally i like proxies that use custom art or frames the best, just so that there is no question that the card is fake even when looking at the front only. But these are cool too! i got a bunch of my friends into commander last year and my first piece of advice was to just print their decks, cut em out, and put the papers over basic lands in sleeves. Best decision ever. I think like half of them would have dropped the game immediately if I demanded they buy real cards lol

[@oreofudgeman]

This is the irony of the reserved list and it has come full circle. The collectors were adamant about keeping it, and now everything is so expensive that people no longer care about acquiring the original. Be cafeful what you wish for.

[@te2934]

After having a fairly decent collection with a few revised cards and unfortunately having a bunch of that collection get ruined in a flood I refuse to ever spend that money on cardboard ever again

[@cylonsteve2511]

I don't want real cards, the Pinkertons may come for them.

[@TheGLfilms]

omg this is great! i can finally play with the OG dual lands in my group!

[@joshmc5882]

I don't want to spend my kids inheritance assembling a playable cedh deck

[@LordPhantomZ]

What I like to do, I like playing the same proxies on multiple of my decks as long as I own 1 of the real card. For example Mana Crypt, I own one real copy but play multiple proxies of it since technically I can switch the card out in between games.

[@Gaming_Antics]

When proxy cards have higher quality than real Magic cards.

[@printingproxies]

this!!!

[@Kodama51]

This website is amazing. I’ve ordered over a thousand cards from them and they never disappoint. I got into proxies when making a LOTR set cube. More than half of the LOTR cards had horrible art compared to what’s available elsewhere. Also Wizards keeps remaking the same legendary creatures over and over. I change the name and art but keep the card functions the same. Nowadays I only buy prerelease kits, order cards under a dollar and proxy everything else.

[@CptManboobs]

I've always been of the opinion that as long as you aren't going to try and pass them off as real, Proxies are fine. Proxying is like a cheat code that you enter in the start menu of a video game to unlock every weapon at the start. Great way to learn to play the game and find cool interactions.

[@zersockpuppet]

Had a massive collection of cards ($5,000 or so) which all perished during a warehouse flooding. Now I have a friend who I pay $15 for a 100 proxy card deck (with sleeves). Yeah, I would say WOTC got enough of my money.

[@qwaurk985]

What if a proxy front was put on a real back? What is it then? Hybrid?

[@16philson]

Main thing is, its easy to get, can be used without breaking the bank ( play with friends and just have some fun ).

[@TheDarkElder]

These packs are really a wild mix of cards from the last 30 years, some cards from Beta and some from last month's set! Or do they also use Alpha corners, I didn't check that yet.

[@VexylObby]

I stop buying cards 2 years ago. Wizards started printing WAY too often, that I just could not keep up. Buying a printer instead was a smarter choice.

[@chasetheswift]

I was kinda annoyed by the quality of my fallout collector box. The card backs barely had any treatment, the foils currles extra bad, and the cards in the precon decks were infinity better quality overall.

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

Is there a option for the cards to be ALL with the new frame, for consistency sake? I don't use old cards in my commanders because I hate mixing frames =/

[@sultanofswing44]

I bought my first proxy recently. It was serras sanctum. Thinking about buy a set of original duals as well.

[@bryanhuber3554]

We didnt abandon magic- Wizards abandoned us.

[@Vengeance117]

I print out my proxy’s cut it out and inner sleeve it with any bulk card behind it, now I can pay 50c for 9 bowmasters or one ring

[@Jwhiz24]

I found that printing onto vinyl sticker paper produces a much sharper image with my home inkjet printer than standard paper or cardstock. Costs me about 40c per sheet for the paper. I think it's worth it.

[@MrFlame6666]

I've been printing my own proxy since the d&d stuff happened. Saved so much money.

[@metalliholic]

I print my own proxies and my dumb ass still buys cards 😂

[@UMAtronic]

For someone like me proxies are kinda need for crazy expensive cards cause why does any of these cards worth 10+ dollars its rediculous.

[@vinnyangelo6634]

I sold all 8 of my binders.. thinking about selling my decks next to do this

[@GrimAngel01100]

Simple answer: people aren't going to be dragged along into product fatigue and empty wallets when they can just print their own cards to play with friends for free, at better quality.

[@printingproxies]

Hearing you laugh opening the first pack is joyful :) Im glad you trully enjoyed our product :)

[@TandemTuba]

I mean, I cannot remember the last time WoTC made a good faith, pro-consumer decision. But, like, it feels like we don't go a month between them announcing someone that is actively anti-consumer. So guess where my dollars go?

[@BIGNEILCOUSINS]

Just ordered my 1st batch of proxy cards for casual games at home . After 10 years of price rises and products being pushed down our throat ive decided to keep my money

[@Synrgy007]

I have no issues with proxies as long as the power of the deck is matched with the play group or if you are testing a deck you intend to build and want to tune it before buying. That is fine.

[@Lodosswar100]

Karlovy manor cards were so bad it's made me never want to buy mtg cards again.

[@kennethpearce2941]

Question. How do these proxy "companies" get away with printing copies of another company's cards without infringing on copyrighted materials?

[@MikeHatcher]

As far as I know wotc only pursues companies that are making counterfeits(indistinguishable from real magic cards with both front and back appearing as the genuine article) They have a company policy stating they are ok with proxys that are not passed off as real

[@kennethpearce2941]

@@MikeHatcher Gotcha. I'm still somewhat surprised that they allow their published card art to be used by others for profit though. I guess they just don't want to deal with the hassle and cost of chasing each and every one down.

[@shawnpanzegraf5642]

There’s also the fact that game-pieces utilized in numerous different manners isn’t exactly a matter of settled law. Take going after a professional proxy-maker who was using different art, but cashing in on the game being a going concern to power demand for their proxies. If WotC wins, they basically get a judicially enforced Cease and Desist. If they were to *lose*, the principle of Full Faith and Credence would protect someone who started the largest proxy operation ever, so long as they kept using the different art. WotC would be facing an enormous barrier just to get the chance to take the new Mega Proxy Maker into court. When it comes to civil matters, a loss in the humblest Circuit Court can prove as devastating as a Supreme Court ruling on a criminal matter. I think WotC/Hasbro would have to be facing proven and substantive profit-loss to roll the dice, even in a game where they’re favored to win.

[@Si0nbarzahd]

Also being based in a foreign country who gives zero fucks about what wizards has to say.

[@wigiti]

@@MikeHatcher I feel WOTC will go after these soon. If these get popular it will affect their bottom line. There is no way that WOTC would let that pass. They are probably ok with bad quality paper printed proxies or bad proxies with unique art, but when cards are better than original and front is indistinguishable from real cards there is no way they will allow these to compete against themselves. I would even say this is probably number one threat to them. If people just shifts to the proxies then WOTC is screwed and they can't milk players like they used to.

[@Skeeeewoah]

At this point, WotC has strayed so far from Garfield that I'm good with people proxying as much as they want. The kitchen table isn't a WotC tournament, so have at it. Thin cardstock paper is pretty cheap. Print em off and sleeve em up. The gameplay is still wonderful

[@jamespopculture]

Amazing I almost want to open some packs lol stay awsome

[@semai0]

The case is Legacy Player who owns Duals dont want to play them to not descrease their values. It's crazy paradox.

[@herpderp66]

I have Ivy, Gleeful Spelltheif deck. It makes copies and copy tokens of auras, mutates, creatures, and everything. I had to buy 10x copies of each card to have enough "tokens." The cost was absolutely insane. Will be doing this from now on.

[@juliankirby9880]

why would any person walk around with one or more decks filled with cards that are all technically valuable collectibles if they are not going to play competitively, when they can buy proxies for 1-2 dollars each to replace any card that has value greater than that, and protect their investment? Just deface them if you don’t want to get them confused for your real ones. Why would someone spend thousands of dollars to play the decks they want with friends, when they could once again, buy proxies. Even printing them out for free and cutting out paper to put in sleeves to shuffle up, everyone should be playing the cards they want, and leaving the collectibles at home where they belong.

[@zachmoose3220]

Didn't think this was really a question. Its the doubling of prices.

[@indrafides2648]

I want to play a game not gawk at your spending habits

[@BusinessSkrub]

Bingo. People who hate proxies are just collector-types who think their gigantic, wasteful collection makes their opinion mean more than the mud that falls outta their behind

[@MrJustintreat]

I always say, " I want to play against your builds, not your wallet."

[@justinreschke3642]

10:07 Do the dual sided cards have anything on them to indicate they are proxies?

[@pascalraskal9347]

I am ok when people proxy a Legacy deck or commander i just like to play its not importent how mutch money you have

[@scottclark3761]

I got the Hellfire right. Just proud of a silly thing for no logical reason. Imagine if they made foil proxy packs that didn't curl. That would be dope....you could actually use foils in cubes and Commander decks. It would be hilarious to me if the proxies became more desired because the quality was just that much better.

[@chim007azo]

Just a glance you can tell from the coloring. If the company isn't trying to make a counterfeit the differences will be much easier to see, like font, postioning etc. These are solid proxies, but that surface wouldn't fool anyone outside a sleeve, which is fine for a proxy. I always highly recommend good quality images and full sheet labels. Print them out on a high quality printer, FedEx stores are like $.27 a copy. Stick to bulk or insert cards and it's like $0.15 total per card when you include the cost of the labels, and they look great.

[@ninja_manny100yt9]

I got into magic because I used to be a gamer and was tired of the games being made incomplete forcing you to pay for add ons to experience the game fully. I was a fanboy from the start and snubbed my nose at proxy’s and people who played with them. But after magic 30, I felt betrayed and haven’t bought any cards since. After looking at these and what hasbro/wizards have been doing, this looks really appealing.

[@prowl79]

It is super easy, the management allowed and encouraged it openly. Hasbro and Wizards are run like absolute shit

[@janderson9413]

That's what happens when you pander to us commander players. This shit is a casual format. My friends and I don't care about using real cards and I'm sure a lot of play groups are like that. We just print the cards on paper and throw them in sleeves over bulk commons.

[@moshladaan]

Since the card is from a years old set, my mind went with the card that looked the most used. And I did notice a tiny fold in the lower left corner of the authentic product.

[@Kensiky]

Plateau artist Sam White???? The Original was Drew Tucker, and the second version was Cornelius Brudi.

[@williamdrum9899]

Because Magic 30th

[@icemilitia]

The reason why I proxy is mostley for lands and staples, I have the copy its just I have multiple decks that have these cards so I just get the proxy yet I own the card

[@Nex41354]

Hi, from the future here... It's kind of like, do you want to play the game or do you want to eat?

[@virgilwagner6287]

yes i play at one store and they use the app for wotc to get product but they let players use proxies and i have seen whole decks and half decks because they dont want to buy the cards .. and i play at a another store and you can not play with them if you own it and have it with you then your can play the proxy

[@rogerbabin8175]

Question: How do tell that the pathways and other similar cards are clearly fake?

[@seijhik]

1$ for a proxy is too expensive. Even these sites rely on secondary market value, they will also have their own crisis at some point.

[@keio4456]

Boxes doesn't have value. Sealed products released monthly. Highly saturated market. Man, if mtg survived this after a full year of doing this, people really do have problems.

[@Mark-sz5rh]

Thank you ever so much for this. (forgot to use your code but I'll out together another order and use it) This service is amazing to get cards I want to collect/play but missed out on getting during my 20 year hiatus.

[@roydickel9183]

It was a genuine pleasure to hear pack openings not tinged with soul crushing dissapointment.

[@BoarSongSaga]

I will never go back to non-proxy mtg cards.

[@KurtCarlstrom]

My house rule is: you only need to own 1; keep it safe and proxy as many as you need for personal use.

[@shawnpanzegraf5642]

How does that work for Commander? You only play 60 card constructed in your player-pool? It’s cool either way, just curious.

[@Someone-lg6di]

Same rule i have

[@treybtw5488]

…within reason. Almost no one can afford one of every dual land and gatekeeping owning a piece of cardboard cause you personally paid too much for “real” one is silly.

[@shawnpanzegraf5642]

I’m not sure why you’d care that someone has even one “real” copy. I get not wanting to deal with people proxying the Nine (If you’re interested in the reality, I never liked playing my P-9 unless a) It was a money tourney, in which case tourney money = how I got all of them except my Lotus and Sapphire, so sorry about my opponents’ luck, or b) Some out of town jerk came round the LGS bullying my play-acquaintances with Juzams), but proxying regular cards? What players buy in Sealed hasn’t determined MtG’s profitability in years. I might even go as far as saying WotC doesn’t care about the small % of cards headed anywhere but to their largest distributors. WotC has never tried to match supply to demand. *Never* , and that’s the truth you’d get from an honest Rosewater or Garfield. You buying cards helps out the distributor, but WotC gets paid whether the cards get landfilled. Pleasant Kenobi just did a great job of explaining the extortion racket WotC was running long before Hasbro came along. I’m not trying to tell anyone how to think or act. I just don’t understand the devotion to “real” cards. I’ve never owned any proxies, but I’m completely indifferent to their use. Play 40-70 or just 1. I’m fine either way.

[@Xoulrath_]

​@@shawnpanzegraf5642what do you mean how does that work for Commander? Commander is a singleton format; it's much easier to own a single copy of crucial cards that would be shared between decks in Commander than it is for 60 card formats.

[@smack80]

The volume drops down when you get to the Hellfire segment

[@jonathonrobinson44]

Totally used your discount code to order some proxies for a cEDH deck. Thanks Purp!

[@Jordan-dg8tp]

Real cards cost a lot of money. This is a children's card game and a hobby. If you want to play with your friends, you can have $40-60 in a pre-con EDH deck that isnt all that great, or you can fully proxy for $40-60 and have a much more exciting and powerful deck. You're playing the game for fun, not prizes. If you are at a sanctioned event, you can't proxy per the rules. If you are at a college event/dinner table/friend's house, who cares? As long as you're in the same ball park of power level, it should be about playing the game, not paying a down payment on a car (or house) to get one of the better decks of your preferred format. If your argument is "I pay for my cards, so you can't proxy", well, that means you can go to a game store and play for packs whereas the proxier cannot. You have more options. Just hush, play the game for fun, and if you don't want to play with people who want to fight deck ideas, not wallet size, you can pick up your cards and play somewhere else (or not, if people don't want to play with you)

[@cylonsteve2511]

Well said. The increased cost of living shouldn't prevent people from living.