Why are people leaving Michigan - Is It Really That Bad?

[@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN]

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[@clintonreisig]

I speant decades in Michigan and fled because of bad governernment, rise in housing costs, drop in wages relative to inflation, and increase in CRIME

[@clintonreisig]

Democrats do NOT enforce the laws, making crime LOOK lower when it is NOT

[@michellec.9852]

@@clintonreisig valid! But I have been to 47 of the 50 states and they all have problems.

[@empireofdirt9045]

Hope you like Weed That’s all you smell

[@matt7iron]

Never been to Michigan, to me on TV it looks like a Cold Cruel, unforgiving Dark place from the Abraham Lincoln days, it is not a friendly looking place 🥶

[@bobhirdes6725]

I love living in Michigan! I absolutely LOVE the 4 seasons, Winter, spring, summer and fall! There is so much to do in Michigan from the Great lakes, hunting, fishing, going to the beach, snowmobiling! No earthquakes, no floods, no hurricanes, tornado's are rarely deadly. Michigan is a beautiful state to live in! FRESH WATER LAKES!

[@danw6014]

​@Mission989Rattle snakes live here.

[@Triaxx2]

4 Seasons? Surely you mean 2. Winter and Road Construction.

[@sherryrieves4688]

I love Michigan too ♥️ If you aren’t originally from Michigan you’ll hate it ! 😈 Winter season is not for the weak ! Stay where you are !! 😊😂

[@bobhirdes6725]

@@sherryrieves4688 give me a break! I love winter weather and the snow that comes with it. The last few winters have been weak! there are lots of activities to do in Winter, Snowmobiling#1, Skiing, snow boarding, cross country skiing, down hill sledding, and just playing in the snow! Winter snow makes everything beautiful!

[@sherryrieves4688]

@@bobhirdes6725 sarcasm honey . You should try it

[@robncasey1216]

I thought Granholm was was the worst governor we could’ve ever had. Then we met Gretchen. And she’s currently having a ‘hold my beer’ moment. My wife & I are currently looking to move to Texas. I don’t see it getting much better here.

[@swlc5555]

And to think, there's chatter that the democrats might want her to run for president in place of Biden. Imagine her doing to the United States what she's done to Michigan. She'd be a clone of Biden.

[@kenraterink]

And yet she somehow got reelected... must be way better in the big cities that they get votes

[@pbpunisher99]

@@swlc5555 most people outside of Michigan has no idea who strechen Gretchen is.

[@JNoMooreNumbers]

@@robncasey1216 She's evil.

[@larryhall7998]

@@pbpunisher99 You people are a joke, Just Trumpkin who just love to HATE

[@tbsmith-ht6ej]

Our tax money goes to the roads. That's a good one. 🙄

[@leonardhollerbach9806]

Move to Berrien county. All of the roads near me got redone (for the most part). Not sure about the rest of the state but my hick road got redone and the other roads all the way to work. My big gripe is that you can’t find a home to buy and hardly No apartment complexes. (For the most part).

[@pbpunisher99]

​@@leonardhollerbach9806 lol I live in Berrien County and the roads are horrible. Like 94 around benton harbor. Its like a mine field.

[@KH-rt3ef]

Your tax money goes into your board members’ pockets after they vote to give themselves raises and increase your taxes. Corruption from the bottom to the top.

[@johnb7499]

Notice how the roads weren’t fixed until Whitmer’s re-election year

[@pbpunisher99]

@@johnb7499 They were lol?

[@derekk6906]

We just returned from a week in Tennessee last week. Gas was $2.89 a gallon, no state income tax and property taxes are a fraction of what we pay in Michigan. Also, Winters are short and fairly mild compared to Michigan.

[@WoodyJ98]

Detroit is far better than Memphis right now

[@jerrythor6102]

That's too funny we just returned from a week in Tennessee also. 😊

[@derekk6906]

Neither would be my choice, we prefer the Mountains about 400 miles east of the Cotton fields of West Tennessee.

[@emerytakacs7040]

Gas around that time here in Michigan I seen under $3.00. Traveling frequently between Michigan and Florida gas is always in a similar price range. But yes, taxes better in Tennessee.

[@robinsuggs2169]

Socially and politically, living in Tennessee is like living in the Dark Ages. I live in TN part time.....

[@Markds181]

It’s been bad here since the 1970’s when automotive plants shut down. I remember when Saginaw Parts Plant workers returned from the weekend only to find the entire factory was on rail cars going out of state and were handed their paycheck. It’s never come back no matter what history says. Cost of living is criminal!

[@Thunderrolls87]

Once the auto makers were forced to cut costs because of unrestricted imports flowing in its never and never will recover. In 1999 even we were 16 in per capita income. I think now were in the 30s. Not good

[@davidneumann5175]

I'm from Saginaw and my whole extended family worked for one of the GM plants. I moved to Otsego County in 1972 and it breaks my heart to drive by one time family homes. The per capita violent crime was bad in the '70s and it's no better now. The 2 things that destroyed Saginaw was GM leaving a the 'urban renewal' that destroyed beautiful historic buildings. Jacobson's, Morley Brothers, the big old houses by downtown, the Bancroft Hotel. Heartbreaking

[@EnzoMoresi-mj8bc]

Uh, no it's "been bad" in Michigan since large cities were overrun by populations from the south in the 50s-60s which then ushered in destructive politics of the democraps. Born in Detroit myself, raised there and left in the 80s never to return to live. Have visited SE Mich a lot and can say it only gets uglier and more depressing each time. The west side from Kalamazoo up to the UP isnt as bad but keep voting in gretchen - types and all is lost forever.

[@mrspock2al]

Lived in rural Mich. my entire life and haven't found anyplace (except maybe Wyoming) that I'd rather reside. Definitely wouldn't trade it for Florida! I much prefer oak & maples, deer and fox instead of palm trees, snakes, alligators & iguanas. I'm weird but a good blizard beats a hurricane any day.😃

[@derekk6906]

Solar Farms

[@duaneoestreich2792]

Ditto. Been to 17 states three countries. Two islands.. and I still came home to Michigan... Most beautiful state .. 4-seasons III 🇩🇪🇦🇹🇺🇸

[@andrewg1872]

It's generally the people in the cities that are leaving vs. the rural areas. Jobs, costs and crime are generally the issues pushing the moves.

[@jameswithey8898]

​@@andrewg1872Democrats destroy everything they touch! Our big cities are cesspools and local governments are allowed to act like a dictatorship!

[@bernieyorke6356]

I live here and love the state but really hate how all the big cities in the south of the mitten control the elections making us all having to deal with the liberal policies whether we Ike it or not.

[@MrAvfc14]

My wife and I moved to Mid-Michigan from Western New York. Our reason for moving was to be near our Grand children and children. Being retired made it easier because we didn't need jobs. Also, property taxes here are very low compared to NY. We save $500 a month in taxes and have a bigger home and double the land here. You have more freedom to do things here that back in NY are so difficult and expensive to do. 2nd Amendment Rights are encouraged in Michigan. Lower Sales Tax here. And what we like a lot, is not dealing with 7 foot blizzards off Lake Erie. So winter in Mid- Michigan is mild compared to Western New York

[@unpointsword]

I'm in wny now born and raised, Would 80k cash get me anything out there to start?

[@aliekatsmom]

​@@unpointsword a geto

[@MrAvfc14]

@@unpointsword Depends on where you look. In Saint Johns,Mi. No. But out in the country a few miles it can. St. Johns is small , about the same size as village of Hamburg. Being north of Lansing gets you better deals. Also we haven't needed to bring out the snowblower here in 2 winters. St. Johns has storms going north and south so we get a couple inches at a time.

[@mkonicki1]

​@@unpointswordNear 8 mile 7 mile. No safe

[@billnotice9957]

Michigan is a great state to vacation in. I am almost 60. My Diabetic feet in winter is really a killer. The hidden cost in Michigan is Auto insurance. Had friends and family leave the state and the first thing out of their mouths is a 60% auto insurance reduction

[@travissmith9488]

Our auto insurance is a hybrid system since we are so close to Canada and have a lot of drivers go back and forth. If you ever get in a serious accident in Michigan, you will be very thankful for our auto laws.

[@billnotice9957]

@@travissmith9488 I am far more likely to go broke than a cataclysmic injury via car accident with dancing lawyers around my hospital bed. Michigan use to have more auto accident lawyers than California, Texas and Ny combined. Why? Unlimited awards mean unlimited lawyer fees!!!

[@chickwithlonghair03]

I have 3 Honda civics and live in Southern California $300.00 a month is it more expensive than that? Although one of my cars is older than 20 years old my tags cost almost $300.00 yearly here, I haven’t been to Disneyland in 20 years and I rarely go to the beach I’m overpaying for everything here and I’m not even a warm weather person I’m looking to move to Michigan

[@billnotice9957]

@@chickwithlonghair03 The tags are not that bad. The AUTO INSURANCE is the most expensive in the nation.

[@EnzoMoresi-mj8bc]

"vacation"? Lol, where? Maybe the FAR north like Leland, the dunes, etc but those are such a tiny percentage of what constitutes Michigan. The bulk of it is broken down, rusted, crumbling concrete, pothole filled ugliness. And then the people you vote in as your "leaders" good G-d what geniuses it takes. Unions and the democrats killed Michigan.

[@MonaLisaVito-c8r]

Property taxes not bad, huh? Horrible! Car insurance is not affordable either. Hard to get the money together to leave.

[@patricklondon962]

I agree 100%

[@michellec.9852]

Yes. Car insurance is ridiculous!

[@mattmatt6572]

Don't buy it

[@Ellis1127]

@@michellec.9852 basically subsidizing the people who do not have insurance! Ridiculous! 😮😮😮

[@humbleevidenceaccepter7712]

I pay about $1500/year in property taxes for a $190,000 home in a small city. Do you pay more? Car insurance went up to $900/year after 2 deer collisions. Edit: Correction, that should be $900/6mos. So that's $1,800/year Full coverage.

[@gregdenton5272]

Michigan is a very poorly run state. It doesn't have to be. No more career politicians!

[@shineKNEE]

Prolly from ohio

[@pbpunisher99]

@@shineKNEE I'm not from Ohio and live in Michigan. They are in a much better state. Way better roads and their economy is ranked 11th in the country in growth compared to Michigan, which is #47 only ahead of Pennsylvania, NY, and California.

[@jeffreyharris6450]

I’m from Michigan , I completely agree my beloved state is very poorly ran , we need to replace our worthless government, the misappropriation of our taxes is staggering , and if your from anywhere above the thumb you don’t count at all You don’t have to like it but I speak the truth

[@drunkingsailor2359]

​@@jeffreyharris6450Absolutely correct.

[@drunkingsailor2359]

Absolutely correct!

[@stevebrusseau3301]

I'm in Northern Michigan and the lake effect snowfall can be non stop and the wind and gray sky for 6 or 7 months is depressing along with the high taxes and gas prices.

[@arizonan1]

The high taxes people pay to live on their own modest property are not only unconstitutional, but are also a clear sign of private wealth being stolen by a corrupt govt that no longer serves its citizens in very limited capacity, but now extorts its citizens to build larger and larger govt empires.

[@jeannovacco5136]

Who is the governor ? What party runs the state legislature?

[@burtlewand5915]

😂😂The Dems have both houses for the first time in 40 years. Who had control of the congress while things were going downhill the last 3 decades? 😂😂

[@LoneWolf-tz7pl]

​@@burtlewand5915Republicans

[@pbpunisher99]

​@@burtlewand5915and the very first thing the congress did was to pass a bill to stop tax breaks to multi billion dollar AI data center. They said no problem and went across the state line to Indiana.

[@JNoMooreNumbers]

@@jeannovacco5136 The CCP I think.

[@humbleevidenceaccepter7712]

In Michigan we outlawed gerrymandering. This led to Republicans losing or failing to win the State House, Senate, and the Governorship. We even enshrined reproductive right in our State Constitution. Those reasons alone are why I will never leave, let alone the forests and the lakes.

[@357maximum4]

Communist style corruption is why most folks leave Michigan. Where did all that gas tax $$ go Gretchen? Remember the lottery $$ going to the schools, yeah that went poof too. You can only milk the producers so long before they leave.

[@mattzalewski6111]

I remember when Snyder made all of that money switching over flints water supply

[@tomloewe8474]

@@mattzalewski6111 Not so. It was the city government of Flint who insisted on changing their water supply. The city was facing bankruptcy and decided to switch to a new water provider to save costs. It was a bad decision that led to a crisis requiring State oversight. The State did not create the problem, the City of Flint did. Governor Snyder did not make any money because of the crisis and all charges placed against him have been dismissed.

[@RetardedSissy]

The money went to teachers unions. And branch of democrat govt

[@dknowles60]

@@mattzalewski6111 nice lie, Flint made its own choice

[@mattzalewski6111]

@@dknowles60 if by "the people of Flint" you mean "an emergency financial manager" than sure. Snyder still made a ton of money switching the supply

[@CharlesJendrzejczyk]

Moved to Michigan from Illinois. Try living I. Illinois with the never ending taxes. Love it here!

[@m42037]

Except winter it's terrible

[@bethfranklin2545]

Born, raised, and live here my whole life( so far ) our government doesn't have a clue how to run the state the further north you go the less government you have to deal with

[@2112whatsgood]

It's the politics. Not the weather. Expensive and poorly ran state. Sad because it's a beautiful state.

[@scottbrown7415]

Definitely this! Very poorly run. It’s a one party state. The schools suck. The jobs and career opportunities are not here anymore. I think the industrial sector is entering another phase of reduction and cuts. I believe that coming recession is going to make itself felt here first and then it will be here for longer than in other regions. Living in Michigan as a conservative person is to know that the government here genuinely hates me.

[@robertkennedy5374]

​@@scottbrown7415 Well said

[@christabellebethanyolmstead]

Was born and raised in Michigan. Michigan is a beautiful state. Whitmer has made our state unaffordable. The only thing we can agree on is that we’re Michiganders nowadays.

[@humbleevidenceaccepter7712]

In Michigan we outlawed gerrymandering. This led to Republicans losing or failing to win the State House, Senate, and the Governorship. We even enshrined reproductive right in our State Constitution. Those reasons alone are why I will never leave, let alone the forests and the lakes.

[@larryhall7998]

Please explain this in detail? Dont worry I know you wont, because you are one that Trump loves!

[@ladyofjazz448]

Nothing to do with him. Grow up.​@@larryhall7998

[@robertkennedy5374]

​@@larryhall7998 😂 GFY

[@republitarian484]

@@humbleevidenceaccepter7712 . . . repeal the 19th. What gives you the right vote for someone that may force my sons to be conscripted to fight and possibly die for something that you have the choice to not partake?

[@diffdrmr884]

I work for a major electronics retailer and our son is in the trades and I assure you, the economy is NOT OK

[@johnbob4545]

Any trade makes 70k plus in any state. Ya it's ok.

[@diffdrmr884]

@@johnbob4545 Point is, the dollar is NOT going as far as it had been a couple of years ago. wake up. 😆

[@Biggsey1979]

I moved to MI from NY in 2019 and I’m really happy here!

[@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN]

Awesome to hear!

[@0311kilo]

Go back

[@andrewyoung-n8ary]

When you move from a hellhole to a middle of the road state, it will tend to feel like heaven.

[@weloveups831]

You left a shit hole, anything would seem better. You probably voted for Whitmer and her kind, which is prompting folks to move

[@m42037]

🥶🥶🥶🥶 Nov -feb move to Jacksonville it's too cold in Michigan to do anything

[@sirrichardwhitney5452]

Gas, food ,and daily living is cheaper outside of Michigan, blue State Fees we can call it. Sales tax is the only good deal we get , no tax on food and 6 cents on the dollar.

[@milocule1]

Great state to live in but we have an idiot for a governor!

[@humbleevidenceaccepter7712]

In Michigan we outlawed gerrymandering. This led to Republicans losing or failing to win the State House, Senate, and the Governorship. We even enshrined reproductive right in our State Constitution. Those reasons alone are why I will never leave, let alone the forests and the lakes.

[@arizonan1]

Yep 🤮

[@arizonan1]

But did the majority really vote for this gov? Hard to believe these narcissist types are actually selected by the people to represent them. Even if they are able to deceive people to get 1 term, the next term they would be out. Either the majority genuinely loves redistribution of their earnings through super high taxes, economic decline, and more controlling government, or there is a flaw in the tallying and the verifying of the actual votes by the registered voters. There is also a third possible explanation. When a states govt employees reach such a magnitude that they outweigh the private industry workers and farmers, then those on the take, large masses of publicly tax paid govt and education workers, will vote in such a way to maintain their positions and lifetime benefits even at the slow destruction of the communities around them.

[@motorcityneedlearts-sy1dv]

I love blue governors Trumpers go to Texas Mississippi Louisiana want you

[@davidmushinski8196]

You guys voted for them

[@angelfish2529]

Actually I like living in a state where you can experience all four seasons in one day

[@nora-_-]

😂

[@davidca96]

We have a nice state, with unique lakes surrounding us, but the state is governed terribly. Winter lasts longer than I like as well, but summers are very nice and dont get absurdly hot. Jobs are pretty tough though, losing the major auto industry killed what used to be a huge employer for most of the state and now is just abandoned land.

[@timr31908]

The main reason why people are leaving Michigan.. do we have too much government.. and the Robin us blind

[@pierrebinot149]

And Darth Whitless is a tyrannical Governor.

[@armeniansdoitbetter]

Too many small regulations. For example. When I wanted to build a house, most places have 1000 sqr ft minimum, they don't want gardens in city and suburbs, they regulate if you are in rural land. It's disgusting. No freedom here. If I was younger, I would move to have freedom in another place.

[@antinazi1959]

I know one thing, they left you behind in English class and you never caught up.

[@antinazi1959]

​@@pierrebinot149I would imagine you saying Mary Poppins was a tyrant. The right has destroyed an entire generation. It's sad how lame their talking points are, everyone and everything is against these punks.

[@robertkennedy5374]

​@@antinazi1959 Thank God we have you, such perfection.

[@Lonewolf-i8p]

People always think the grass is greener on the other side. Both of my nephews left MI after college, one went to FL and one went to AZ. Years later they both moved back. Housing here and home insurance and property taxes are still affordable compared to many other states. Look at the young people that thinks it's a must to work for Meta, Google, Tesla and these companies lay off thousands of people constantly! Need to be realistic about jobs. Trades here make more money than college grads.

[@highlymedicated2438]

It's sad when even Alabama is out growing your state.And no I did not stutter. You don't even have large cities like new york city or california cities Michigan is a wannabe state that cant even hold its own population

[@WoodyJ98]

Amen. Plus, you get to watch a national championship football team. Sounds good to me!

[@highlymedicated2438]

@@WoodyJ98 wolves or lions?

[@dknowles60]

wrong

[@Lonewolf-i8p]

@@dknowles60 Are you speaking from experience or just a hater?

[@jenniferbriski567]

Most people who live here more than 1 year love the weather, it's the corruption people can't stand - that is the real reason most of us are leaving.

[@aliekatsmom]

Corruption Corrupt. Detroit is scary...

[@thatsreality5184]

Absolutley

[@ivorygrl]

CORRUPTION IS EVERYWHERE. You can’t escape it unless you live in a forest OFF GRID. Also, a lot of people don’t have options because options take MONEY. 💴

[@zslawter2147]

Corruption? Who's corrupt?

[@nijuuroku]

@@zslawter2147The people representing the state government

[@RealTJS]

I grew up in Detroit, went to school in Detroit. I graduated from engineering school and gave it a good shot but the economy is just too up and down. I moved to Dallas and I'm very happy that I did so.

[@arizonan1]

And you're already used to the high property taxes!

[@AmishHitman73.Archive]

95 degree days in october brah, eat that heat. i just moved away from bentonville ar, they can keep the sweathog weather there, let alone how hot it is int texas

[@RealTJS]

@AmishHitman73.Archive We got jobs in this here heat.

[@sueantoine3855]

Auto insurance is the highest in the nation. No fault insurance is bad.

[@timstorey7915]

I love Michigan. Been here my whole life. The weather is the best (I love having 4 seasons). The topography is very diverse, from flat farm land to rolling hills, to miles of sandy beaches to trout streams, wetlands and small secluded inland lakes to the Great Lakes boating and fishing, deer hunting, duck hunting, ATV and snowmobile trails, etc.. And don’t forget the mountainous western Upper Peninsula where there are tons of lakes and waterfalls. I’m a civil engineer in the Detroit area so I’ve done very well here owning my own company. But we do not have enough skilled construction trades. It’s a great place to get a job if you are in the trades. It’s also a great place to retire. We decided to just stay here when we retire in a few years. We have a house in the suburbs and one in the western U. P. I love being able to go kayaking or bike riding at Stony Creek Lake just a 20 minute drive from our house in Macomb. Michigan has tons of great parks. From catching lake trout in Lake Superior to walleye on Lake Erie to the awesome museums in Detroit, Michigans got it all.

[@MrLuke1000]

I live in Romeo. I go to Stoney creek all the time lol!

[@dknowles60]

lets see your skilled trades pay very bad, some trades will not have much work in the winter

[@terrybolton630]

Right on you get it so much natural recreational choice

[@m42037]

​@@dknowles60Winter suks can't do nothing out in that icebox!! I wish I could move to Jacksonville from Nov -feb March life comes back

[@ericbrown2780]

Love your attitude , sir! So many people here griping. Seriously, if they find it that bothersome to be here, then they should go find somewhere else they will enjoy.

[@kenschultz3836]

you forget most Michiganders that retire don't leave Michigan. they down size for taxes and move out of the expensive areas . Some actually move to northern Michigan. for cheaper taxes and country quiet living. They all dont just up and move to Florida

[@humbleevidenceaccepter7712]

The economy is so good that the record-breaking stock market allowed me to retire at 59. Didn't even consider going down south.

[@arizonan1]

They especially don't move to Florida now!

[@Wolverine607]

Well they better not downsize now unless they live in a mansion. If they lived in their prior McMansion 2500-3500 SF foot home a long time, they are capped on property taxes even though home values have risen dramatically, Property tax uncapping upon moving with the big rise in home values the down sizing will have as high or even higher property taxes than they paid in their larger home. Unless law is changed to allow moving proposal A cap to a new or different home. Especially post covid with todays insane values. Be careful many are not aware that happens but oh boy it does.

[@MBR4824]

I moved TO Michigan from Louisiana last august because of the heat. I have an autoimmune disease and the cold has allowed me to walk again and travel. Unfortunately property taxes and cost of living in metro Detroit is too much so we have to move back for a year. So sad.😞

[@Mr44magnum0706]

Yeah my parents live in metro Detroit, about 1/2 of metro is pricey and the other 1/2 is decent but harder to find one with a standard basement. I ended up moving outside metro and got a few acres.

[@scotchancestry9103]

My parents moved to another state 15 years ago, to a state where the taxes were 75% less and insurance was 50% less, it is still the same

[@larryhall7998]

Must be the State of Confusion!!

[@micahdubas9454]

It is quite frustrating that MI has declined like it has. I have struggled the 37 years I've lived here and i really don't want to move. But if drastic and positive changes to the government and economy doesn't happen soon, i might have to consider moving.

[@johnnymaccool9828]

You go where you can get a decent job , decent jobs are scarce in Michigan.

[@jjtmmjjmm2113]

I disagree, especially in the Detroit area you can make 100k as a blue collar worker there’s tons of jobs

[@thuglife-po5ys]

​@@jjtmmjjmm2113 that requires experience!

[@thuglife-po5ys]

I agree job market bad asf here with fake jobs included

[@jjtmmjjmm2113]

@@thuglife-po5yswell what are your credentials maybe I can offer some insight, I’m in a labor union that does a lot of industrial work in and out of state

[@peterdangelo5882]

Not mentioned for some reason but extremely important is that the K-12 public schools can be very poor particularly in rural areas. So you may have to look into private schools for your children. Also, medical services are terrible unless you are near a city. Rural providers are even worse.

[@PharSyde6ix]

I left Michigan for Florida 10years ago and it was one of the best decisions I’ve ever made!

[@ambojockey]

Speaking of Taxes there’s a Detroit tax. I work EMS and when I was frequently working in Detroit EMS I was taxed extra. There was State, Federal and Detroit tax. On the same note Michigan doesn’t always pay civil servants as well as other states.

[@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN]

Damn Det Tax!

[@benjones3329]

Michigan is rapidly turning into a hard-core liberal state even up here in the north where I am that’s one reason people would want to leave. The second reason for me, would be how gray winter is with very little sunshine.

[@Sheriff-Longmire]

After 25 years of living in Coldwater Michigan my wife and I are headed back to southeast Indiana. Under democrats Michigan is in a downward spiral.

[@drozzmojenkins9605]

I’m a Hoosier who spent a good amount of time in Michigan. It’s not the same or even close to what it was in the late 70s and 89s. When they legalized cannabis small town homelessness became a problem.

[@jasonharris9990]

Leaving because of Winter? haven't had a bad winter in years, haven't been able to do winter activities much.

[@pbpunisher99]

For me it's not so much the cold. It's the perma cloud from October till May and literally two and a half months of summer.

[@Mr44magnum0706]

Yeah I’m an hour and half north of Detroit. Last few years I felt jipped with winter, still enough to ski a few times but still wish it was linger

[@truckntrejo9459]

Governor whitmer, the roads, high taxes, crime, high rent for crap housing, failed school system, local government are all reasons to stay the f##k out of Michigan. Born and raised north of Detroit and it's getting to the point where it's crushing people.

[@anndavid2639]

I’ve been in Northwest Michigan for five years. Have lived in five states. Michigan is the most inhospitable state I have lived. Jobs are scarce and low paying even though I have a college education and 20+ years of experience. Lowest quality of living I have experienced.

[@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN]

What city do you live in? Outside of Traverse City, Northern Michigan doesn’t have the job market south east Michigan does. Total population is 10M and nearly 50% of those people live in Southeast Michigan so naturally the job market will be better.

[@anndavid2639]

Live 25 miles outside of Traverse City. Less white collar positions available along with higher cost of living than anticipated.

[@samtodd6301]

The taxes are high and the winters are bleak. The sun might not even make an appearance in the month of January or February. And the spring might last until mid June. Michigan is nice July-October. Four months isn't worth living there for 12.

[@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN]

Where do you live?

[@mike2burg]

I grew up in Michigan and I loved it. The people are awesome and the nature is great. It’s just really sad to see the socialists takeover the state. How Michigan voters let that happen I will never understand

[@sheneedsme]

I’m happy those “socialists” are finally fixing the damn roads. Thanks Big Gretch.

[@danw6014]

​@sheneedsme there's been a bridge out on my road from ten years but rural people don't count as far as Lansing is concerned.

[@WoodyJ98]

Socialist? We have let GM and Ford run the state pretty much. The job growth has been awesome Let me guess, you don’t like rainbow flags

[@burtlewand5915]

I think you may be butt hurt. Here is what it came down to. After Roe V Wade, the law in Michigan to come back on the books only allowed abortion in case of danger to the mother's life. It did NOT allow it in the case of rape or incest. Republicans had control of both houses in Michigan. The R leader was asked what measures he would take after the Supreme Court ruling, and he said we have a law on the books. They were then thrown out. For the first time in like 40 years the Dems had both houses and the governorship. The talk of some mass change is hyperbolic.

[@highlymedicated2438]

@WoodyJ98 Unfortunately, I live in New York and the state will not allow rainbow flags in our school.Can you believe that even in new york. It's like they're scared of the rainbow flag. I heard it's like this even in california

[@dmark6699]

I was born in Michigan left in 1959 and went back for a visit recently completely changed did not recognize southern Michigan, the farms were gone. The small towns have grown. Funny my dad worked for Ford late 30's Early 40's and I worked for Boeing.

[@bluegillmich]

All taxes go into the general fund, that is why the governor could not pass a roads/bridges bill several times- the police, teachers and schools ,seniors all had there hands out for a portion of the funds tax proposed..it was beyond rediculous..so we said NO. Sad for roads and bridges..

[@Lonewolf-i8p]

@bluegillmich What are you talking about? MI has been amazing at getting roads and bridges fixed sine Whitmer took office. She and her team of women actually get things done here. You must be a maga.

[@bluegillmich]

@@Lonewolf-i8p Well , i do use my brain and facts so

[@thuglife-po5ys]

We have the worst job market and plant uaw production and logistics/supply chain layoffs and when that happens the whole entire michigan jobs goes down even around the neighborhoods

[@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN]

Really? Last I knew the unemployment in the state was fairly low compared to the national average.

[@thuglife-po5ys]

@@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN it very high now its too many layoffs and less hiring

[@jeff022889]

Democrats are slowly ruining the State, however Michigan voters are smart enough to swing the pendulum back to become more conservative. That’s one thing I love about MI.

[@sheneedsme]

That’s funny because what I love about Michigan is we went Blue.

[@bruceparker9353]

@@sheneedsme California misses you.

[@jamesp2391]

It didn't go blue. But the counters down state made it go blue.

[@michaelmaas5544]

@@sheneedsmeyou love the fact our state is falling apart under democrat control?

[@Patrick-kt5mc]

@@michaelmaas5544 @sheneedsme is either a radical queer or a hysterical feminist. Or both.

[@Mindfulmaven7]

Michigan is beautiful if you are up North, especially. I’m getting ready to hit the road in the Subaru and visit some beautiful places.

[@PatentDude]

Don’t forget the 24 cities with city income taxes with an additional 1% tax for residents and 0.5% for those working in those cities. So state income tax is up to 5.25% for residents in those cities and 6.9% for those living in Detroit. That being said western and central Michigan are great areas to live in.

[@timdodd3897]

Illinois has a 10.25 sales tax

[@weloveups831]

The state is beautiful. Wouldn't give up the 4 seasons. This woke environment and a governor hell bent on giving money away to those causes and not fixing the damn roads has me questioning why I stay. Unfortunately, it appears all states are moving in the same direction. Even Florida

[@HardyHarz]

Grew up in Mi (Saginaw Bay Area), moved to Grand Rapids for college, then to LA, then Denver, and started my business in Hawaii. Because of my business, I can live anywhere and I chose to come back to Mi - first to the Detroit area to experience the rebirth of that city and now in Traverse City. For me, it’s hard to beat the bang for the buck value. The people are awesome, great sports teams, and the summer can’t be beat anywhere (the lakes are amazing). Winters do suck sometimes, but that’s what Florida is for haha.

[@cr528]

Saginaw too

[@m42037]

What sports??? The Lions haven't won anything since the Eisenhower administration 1957!! Only college football is good here. It's freezing here from Nov -feb I want to live in Florida during that time

[@m42037]

​@@cr528🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶

[@patrickpaes6653]

that because all the good living middle class jobs are going away .

[@up-uw4op]

winter in southern michigan is very mild

[@brucebeamon5460]

I’d say YES the weather is becoming MORE MILDER in recent years and I think it’s GOING TO CONTINUE on THAT TRAJECTORY and I’m predicting PEOPLE WILL START TO RETURN ….. Especially with the oncoming WATER WARS !

[@brucebeamon5460]

Oh , And the older I get the more I AM enjoying ALL 4 SEASONS ! Winter months give me a reprieve from LAWN MAINTENANCE 😒

[@m42037]

​@@brucebeamon5460Ya right try and exercise in the freezing cold!!! You can have a heart attack below 34°f the blowing cold too, I'm not an old man I'm only 58 but it's too cold I have to go to the mall to get cardio! NOBODY says "happy winter!" Nov -feb hello Jacksonville

[@stevektx]

We left 11 years ago and moved to Texas. Best decision we made. Top reason why: Economy. Democrat State. Car Rusts In Two Years. Shovel Snow Before Going to Work.

[@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN]

👍

[@sheneedsme]

Cars rust in 2 years. Total BS. Our economy is booming and we can’t find enough employees. You can have that 110 degree heat. No thanks. Well time to get back on the boat for another beautiful summer day. As a bonus congrats to the defending National Champion Michigan Wolverines!

[@BigJohn-k2d]

@@sheneedsme My daughters are in school here in Michigan. Great experience the economy isn’t bad and the homes are priced right!

[@BigJohn-k2d]

Just know it being a democrat state is destroying it and will eventually be the nail in the coffin Trump 2024.

[@bruceparker9353]

Me too! Texas reminds me of the way America used to be! Normal!

[@ggfinger1]

Michigan roads are horrible. It's absolutely insane. We live in Ohio, not to far from Michigan. Won't go there, the road will destroy your vehicle. Government is incompetent.

[@VioletBloom]

2 masters degrees, 20 years in business management and after 2 years of job hunting I'm still a substitute teacher for $15 an hour. I live near Kalamazoo. We are headed to Orlando in 9 months, I have far better and higher paying job offers there.....

[@ericscottstevens]

3:37 Michigan is considered the largest state east of the Mississippi counting the water, that is if you drew a state boundary halfway under the great lakes which seems fair. Land border wise Georgia is the considered the largest east of the Mississippi. With that being said Michigan is a southern state. Huge influx of people were recruited from the south to work the auto industry during the labor shortage in the 50's and 60's and they mostly never left. Property tax were insane when I left in 1996, highest rate in the country. Went to K-12 in Michigan as I feel it was very good compared to where I live now. Cost per pupil in state spending for public schools is awesome. Great selection of universities too. UofM medical is one of the best med centers in the country. Roads were an abhorrent abomination, salt ate cars, UP pretty much is Alaska lite.

[@marybrown7203]

This is a question I never thought that I'd be asked. I do know 2 couples who moved from Michigan to Vermont. These couples didn't know each other while in Michigan.

[@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN]

Crazy! Why’d they move to Michigan. Do you know?

[@marybrown7203]

@@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN They moved from Michigan to Vermont. The mountains, four seasons, and a lot of land.

[@marybrown7203]

@@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN None of them moved for work purposes. All four of them can do their current work anywhere.

[@nortonj3]

Michigan is super expensive. Don't let the lower housing price fool you. Some of the highest auto insurance in the world, gas is expensive because we import all of it from other states/countries. You have to heat your house 6 to 8 months out of the year. And 2 to 3 months is 24/7 heat because it's below 20 degrees Fahrenheit a lot of the winter. And when you don't have your heat on, the summers are like 85° + with a million percent humidity from the lakes, you need AC. The roads are terrible they tear up your suspension. Also they salt the roads so it eats away your undercarriage and your body. You have to risk your life every day in the winter time, and other drivers think they're invincible because they have four-wheel drive, or because you do so much winter driving. So even though you're being safe, other people might run into you, or you get stuck in a blizzard, or with ice there's absolutely no traction. If it wasn't for extended family while kids are small, I'd be out in Michigan in a heartbeat. The lake effect snow especially in West Michigan and in the Upper Peninsula, aint no joke.

[@travissmith9488]

Michigan is so cheap. You can actually get a nice house for 300k-400k. That's impossible in like 40 other states. And I love how several months of the year we don't have to use AC or heat. That's also pretty unique. We don't have to blast the AC non-stop for 6 months of the year like down south. And we don't get super cold thanks to the lakes - unlike the Dakotas and Minnesota and Montana, etc.

[@nortonj3]

@@travissmith9488 a lot of people think of houses as a forced savings plan. For the same house in Michigan my kids might get 400,000. But, if i paid off a house in Florida, for example, they might get 800,000. If you were my kids, which would you rather have when i passed? 400,000 or 800,000?

[@travissmith9488]

@@nortonj3 I'd rather own the cheaper house and invest the money! You'd make way more in the end. Also, the Florida real estate market has been on the decline lately while Michigan keeps going up.

[@nortonj3]

@@travissmith9488 real estate is the investment. It's real, it's physical, you can touch it, you can play outside on your property and improve it for fun. You cant do that with stocks. The sun doesn't shine on stocks. I mean, if my kids want to sell any house in Michigan for 400,000. Or somewhere else for 800,000. Which one would everyone say, 800,000. So they can buy other property somewhere else, or buy stocks or something else, its their decision. I just used Florida as an example of greener pastures.

[@travissmith9488]

@@nortonj3 Real estate also fell -55% in 2008 and 2009. Michigan real estate remained lower for 15 years after. It's also one of the few investments that taxes you every year no matter what and costs money to maintain. I would never put all my eggs into one basket like that but to each their own.

[@Irishfan]

I grew up in Niles, Michigan. It was the ideal place to live in the 60s, when I was a kid. The state was well run back then, and Michigan roads were the best in the nation. The city of Niles was a small town of about 12,000 people in the southeast corner of Berrien County that was in the southwest corner of the Lower Peninsula. We had 5 major industrial employers located in Niles and the neighboring town of Buchanan. We also had other smaller towns ten minutes away in any direction. The closest larger city was South Bend, Indiana, just 13 miles to the south. There were plenty inland lakes close by in any direction. Lake Michigan beaches were just a thirty minute drive away. If you lived in Niles, you probably owner a boat. Not only that, but snowmobiles, skis, and sleads were common winter equipment in your garage. Downtown Niles was always active with shoppers. The city had great schools and a fantastic summer parks program for the kids. The only disadvantage Niles had for those not into winter sports was the lake affect snow coming off Lake Michigan. Six to eight inch snow storms are common in the Niles area. Now that all is gone, the manufacturing has left. The roads in Michigan are among the worse in the country. But the weather still remains in the area. Winter snow, temperatures affected by Lake Michigan leaving the average summer temperature a bit cooler and the average winter temperatures a bit warmer then the rest of the northern Midwest.

[@jeannovacco5136]

Vermont is for liberal retirees and urbanites from the Boston and New York metropolitan areas who like to go Leaf peeping in the Autumn and ski on the low mountains with their icy slopes. Property is expensive and usually well-maintained which gives excuses for property taxes to be higher than is often found in rural areas. There isn't much industry or commercial activity, reportedly at not even as much as in New Hampshire, and there aren't very many jobs or jobs that pay well at all... although I'm sure that Vermont has its share of telecommuters. Expensive housing, relatively high taxes, high costs, and a small job market seems to characterize the lovely state of Vermont. You might find people living there permanently who also have homes in North Carolina or Florida.

[@arizonan1]

Nailed it!👍

[@margaretclemens9553]

Where did you get your stats??? Detroit is being revitalized. I live in the country, born and raised here. Retired here. So much to do. So beautiful. Woods, Great Lakes, rivers, kayaking, fishing, fine dining, theatre etc...

[@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN]

Michigan is a great place to live. Have you seen the other videos on the channel?

[@JoyClinton-i8g]

Michigan has state income tax. Detroit (and some other Michigan cities) has a city income tax.

[@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN]

Hmm 🤔

[@michaelmelling9333]

Spent my first 18 years there and the worst thing for me was the awfulness of having so little fun in the warm months due to the humidity and the biting bugs and pricker plants. All those nasty things made camping and hiking positively horrible!😢

[@bobhirdes6725]

Pricker plants? what are you doing in pricker plants? I love Michigan!

[@tygsv4021]

I’ve always lived in Michigan and for the first time leaving I went to Florida for a week..I always thought I’d love the weather but being there made me realize I wouldn’t want to deal with the heat all year round. I like our winters. It’s a change of atmosphere.

[@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN]

For sure! Grass always isn’t greener

[@mpwmu9041]

I grew up in SW Michigan. After college in the late 90's I got a good job in the north burbs of Chicago. Then settled down and bought a house. The ever increasing taxes, regulations, fees, cost of living is suffocating. Id love to move back to Michigan. Maybe one day.

[@OhioStateBuckeyefanstuckinMI]

Born and raised in Michigan. I will be leaving for either Ohio, Kentucky, or Indiana at the end of the year. Can’t wait to leave this state.

[@sheneedsme]

Please go to Ohio. I’m sure it’s painful to have to bow down to your National Champion Michigan Wolverines. Go Blue!

[@OhioStateBuckeyefanstuckinMI]

@@sheneedsme 😂 it’s all good scUM will have to bow down to the NCAA when they get the title stripped for cheating. Michigan lost 8 straight years to THE Ohio State University and only started winning once they started cheating 🤷‍♂️

[@OhioStateBuckeyefanstuckinMI]

@@sheneedsme Michigan wins its first national championship in 27 years and you all don’t know how to act 😂 enjoy getting it stripped away by NCAA when the CHEATING scandal is done being investigated. Couldn’t win by being better so they had to cheat 😂

[@jacquelinezibkowski5977]

My son moved from Michigan to Burlington Vermont to accept position as a Marketing Director for a ski company. Skiing, biking, swimming, boating, fall colors… never coming back to Michigan!

[@travissmith9488]

That's an awesome place! But much colder, snowier, and rainier than Southern Michigan. Just goes to show you - many people can embrace the 4 seasons!

[@StephanieMT]

we rather move to michigan for the winter not this humid heat in southwest indiana

[@MackenzieB]

I live in southern Indiana and it was 91 degrees felt like 98 today. In Michigan it was like 75 lol. I feel you! We want to move to Michigan in a few years for the weather!

[@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN]

No brainer, make the move!

[@highlymedicated2438]

​@MackenzieB L o l who moves to michigan for the weather? Now u make me wonder why michigan is not growing faster than florida

[@MackenzieB]

@@highlymedicated2438 people who like cold weather and hate the heat! We’re a minority but we do exist. I live in southern Indiana and it is currently projected to be in the high 90s all week. I’m miserable. Living somewhere like Florida is what my nightmares are made of. I would move somewhere colder if it wasn’t so far from my family. Yesterday it felt like 98 degrees here and it was like 77 in Michigan.

[@m42037]

​@@MackenzieBThat's because you're wealthy and don't have to drive to a mall to get cardio. You can't exercise in freezing cold weather the cold restricts your arteries and you can have a heart attack. And the blowing cold air too. And dark all day. Very depressing, kills all my flowers, the birds are gone just depressing. Soon as DST ends it's time to go to Jacksonville till DST comes back in March. Yes I don't like 90° temps either AC is expensive but the winter here is too long. Only two weeks for Christmas season then warm back to 70° that's perfect

[@marklee9413]

We get these women governors in Michigan and they just don't know what the hell they're doing

[@bobs1356]

👍👍like red lip whitmer?

[@briancasey4917]

I live in small town SW Michigan, lakes, rivers, Trees, love it. Truck with snowplow for winter, can go anywhere all seasons. Dont mind the whiners and complainers leaving.

[@derekk6906]

You forgot to mention the thousands of acres that are now fenced in Solar Farms replacing open fields and farmland.

[@briancasey4917]

@@derekk6906 No, I mentioned whiners and complainers

[@larryhall7998]

Don;t come back either, take your winning and elsewhere

[@arizonan1]

Enjoy those property taxes and no whining!😂

[@markst.germain9286]

heated sox and gloves

[@johnjokoty]

let's not forget it the Democratic state they ran Michigan into the ground the Auto industry is pretty much over in this state thanks to the Democrats that's also not forget about the high ass insurance cost for your car it is absolutely ridiculous I think it's the highest in the nation we're talking at least $300 plus for somebody without a bad driving record it is absolutely ridiculous other than that weather is fine if you like the different seasons of weather it's God's gift

[@InTeamFunwetrust]

Dems have the state government house and senate for the first time in 40 years lol, quit playing

[@Thunderrolls87]

I think the auto industry employment has been damaged by globalization and not to mention unrestricted imports since the 70s when japanese cars started flowing in.

[@GeraldHanks-qo1qc]

If I was younger l would for sure move and get out of Michigan, at times l am very fed up with Michigan.

[@Pitollie]

I love in ann arbor and wall outside 5 miles a day, just get some decent walking boots. It's nice here!!

[@jbmoney357]

I'm close to everything.15 minutes to almost all Detroit concert and sports venues. (LIons goin to the Superbowl this year!) Hour and fifteen minutes to salmon fishig. and deer hunting. Oh and my work is 25 minutes away from my house. I've been elsewhere. This is home!

[@jerryjayson67]

Where can I Salmon fish? Sounds fun

[@dangoerke51]

Lots of rivers. I know the larger rivers flowing into lake Michigan have salmon runs ​@@jerryjayson67

[@jbmoney357]

@@jerryjayson67 Lake Huron. Lexington ant Port Sanilac Harbor starting in September.

[@jerryjayson67]

@@jbmoney357 Thanks !! Nice

[@Sues007]

Ask the Gov what happened? She says no worries we have batteries here! Too bad they don't work! hahaha

[@sheneedsme]

Work great for me. Love my Tesla and my Governor.

[@arizonan1]

​@@sheneedsmethere will be weeping and gnashing of teeth

[@toddbaginski5722]

6 months of winter and 6 months of rain. I took 2 weeks vacation up north to salmon fish w/ my boat...could only get on Lake Michigan 3 times due to waves.

[@Jim49446]

Michigan is really two states. Detroit and its suburbs have quality of life problems. The rest of the state, particularly West Mi., have jobs for anyone who wants to work and a great quality of life. Because of Detroit's political power, outstate Mi has had to support SE Mi for the last 30 years. The makers are required to support the takers.

[@madhounddog04]

You forgot to mention the fact that Michigan has one of the highest car insurance rates in the US! They have pip added to every car insurance policy. Which adds around $50+ to every policy every month. Unless you can prove you have health insurance, your car insurance has to cover you and everyone that's involved in a car accident. This is because of the health companies lobbying to get this added on to every policy! So they don't have to pay for uninsured drivers!

[@travissmith9488]

False. We are so close to Canada that we needed a hybrid insurance system with all the drivers back and forth. If you ever get in an accident, you will be very happy for Michigan's auto laws.

[@madhounddog04]

@@travissmith9488 not true? It's high because of all of the uninsured drivers in Michigan today! The Democrats control everything in Lansing and know this. My sister is a insurance salesperson. And keeps up with everything in Lansing. There's so many accidents in Michigan today that have uninsured drivers, this is why our insurance rates are so high! Detroit, Saginaw, Flint, Grand Rapids all have high rates of uninsured accidents today. What you wrote is pure made lies!!!

[@bigt2318]

I love the state and the people. I don't love the government of Michigan.

[@bobs1356]

I think things would be a lot cheaper if we get these dems out of MI. Dingle, red lips Whitmere, Slotting and big mouth Hailey. I just think they put these people in even if they don't win in the election.

[@daviddurango9562]

I left Michigan, and I'm now living in Ecuador. 😊 I love perfect weather. I'm currently renting a 3 bedroom, two bathroom apartment for $350 a month. Beat that in cold ass Michigan.

[@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN]

I’m glad you found your ideal lifestyle.

[@timothydevries383]

1.38% MI property taxes is fairly accurate. A $500k house is $7k per year.

[@VioletBloom]

Also, dont be so fast to say every season but winter is fine. A LOT of people lost homes to tornados this year, my famoly included. The weather is very unpredictable in every season

[@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN]

Yup, we've had tornadoes in MI however the occurrence is pretty rare.

[@VioletBloom]

@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN 16 so far this year and an average of 13 a year, tons of flooding in Kalamazoo and quite unpredictable weather as far as outdoor travel goes, and quite frankly you are pretty condescending here to someone that just lost their home to a tornado. Not a good look for a real estate agent.

[@timr31908]

The reason why people are l leaving Michigan.. it's because they're too blue

[@jameswithey8898]

Exactly 💯.... Not using someone's "proper" pronoun can catch you a misdemeanor...... Thanks Whitler!

[@JNoMooreNumbers]

@@jameswithey8898 I'm in the red area which is the majority of the state. Just a few blue counties and even then split them in half and would be redder. Don't know about this pronoun thing. Hey you then. I don't see the blue haired alphabet people around. Probably just in big cities. Outside them, they wouldn't last long.

[@jameswithey8898]

@@JNoMooreNumbers Intentionally misusing someone's preferred pronouns is a misdemeanor... Whitmer just passed it recently

[@jameswithey8898]

@@JNoMooreNumbers I am too but my office is in Walker

[@Makeitgreat1]

I lived in California before. When I moved to michigan, it felt like going back 70 years in the past.

[@tgtongue]

Yes please move! I want our prices to drop back down, less traffic, and more nature. Unfortunately, in the area I live it seems to be sucking people in from western hcl states…

[@derekk6906]

The Nature in SW Michigan is being surrounded with 8’ fences protecting the 1,000s of acres of Solar Farms. Such huge eyesores and terrible for deer and other wildlife

[@arizonan1]

Which area so I know to avoid?

[@joe1940]

The economy sucks in Michigan.

[@rebeccabringman7401]

I love living in Michigan. Love the four seasons. Great place. Some of the suburbs are more reasonable. Great lakes all tgrough the state. Great trees. Great people!

[@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN]

YES!!

[@timdodd3897]

My mom was a Michigan farm girl. I love Michigan. Planning my escape from Illinois. I really thought about Michigan.

[@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN]

Come on over!

[@TJWinter1221]

Your next video should be on the infrastructure of Michigan. Just saw a video on how notoriously BAD the roads and highways are in Michigan compared to Ohio's. It's like night and day! It's going to take some political will to finally overcome this problem. Great video btw!👍👌

[@vacayooper4728]

I live in California, born and raised in Michigan. The roads are better in Michigan

[@jongabrielsen3868]

I have lived in 4 countries and 4 states in the USA and have always returned to Michigan in-between and am retiring here as well.

[@jamieevancich]

Follow this logic; no term limits for politicians, Mail in voting without ID and ballot request sent out without voter requesting absentee.

[@Lonewolf-i8p]

@jamieevancich That is not true. I live in MI and to get an absentee ballot had to show drivers license. You must be a maga. Move to a red state if you don't like it.

[@patricklondon6006]

Michigan has high property taxes, electric rates, and gas prices for your car. It's also cheaper to heat a house than cool one. We also have cities that have income taxes.

[@TRULIVINGMICHIGAN]

It can be expensive to live here but the beauty makes up for it.

[@smithdog4770]

The truth is that people rarely leave anywhere if there is a lot of economic prosperity. If you are living phat, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference where you do it, the question then becomes, why should I leave? The idea that some people in a given field leave because there are jobs elsewhere is true, but that should make ZERO difference on average. People accept jobs out of state in the industry they are trained for or experienced in because it pays better relative to the cost of living. Some will get shuffled around, but if everything else is the same the net effect is zero change. People leave their State almost exclusively (on a net basis) due to economics. Michigan is not well run, that's our problem and it's more of a Mayor problem than a State problem actually. Don't tell me it's weather, there are states with far worse weather, that are not even as close to as beautiful as Michigan, where they have added population. Go look at the list of states that added population and trust me, lots of them are not even close to being as "Nice" of a place to live. I've lived all over the country and talked to so many people, yes some will say they love their state because of XY or Z, but almost everyone who moves to a new state does so because of opportunity, for one, just leaving your family support structure behind is hard, you don't often see people leave that security based on weather that they grew up with.

[@philipsnyder1687]

Coming here from Texas. I can tell you that its the same problem in Texas. Michigan is rough going outside December through March. June through September is the rough months in Texas. Difference? In Michigan you can put on more clothes. In Texas, you cant take off enough. Happy here in Grand Rapids.

[@travissmith9488]

I was golfing last December. Also love some snow around the holidays. So, for me, it's only Jan-March when I travel more.

[@WoodyJ98]

Wayne county’s population is growing… I think it’s because of Flint and Pontiac. Those areas haven’t improved as much as Metro Detroit

[@DavidBauer-m7n]

Michigan is one of the cloudiest states in the nation. Even the summers are much cloudier and rainier than many other places.

[@travissmith9488]

False. Michigan has some of the sunniest weather in the entire country for 5-7 months - even sunnier summers than most of the south. Michigan is also sunnier year-round than many parts of the midwest and Pacific Northwest. Climate Compare is an excellent website that will show you this.