Why Are Poor Americans Voting for the Party of the Rich? | Ones and Tooze Ep. 165 | An FP Podcast

[@jobhiojkp]

They're tired of Social Security and Medicare, and think a depression-era standard of living is what they deserve?

[@samizdatbroadcasts7654]

What are the Democrats doing for the poor? What is Labour doing for the poor? These parties were for the common people, for the workers and for the down and out once upon a time. But you can't just keep running on FDR or Attlee's record election after election, only to turn around and deliver Reagan and Thatcher's policies over and over again and expect poor Americans or Brits to keep going along with it. It's not that the working class keeps voting against its own interests. It's that parties that are supposed to represent the working classes aren't upholding those interests. Center left parties have to deliver for the poor and the worker TODAY. Not 70 years ago. NOW.

[@munaali840]

the problem is they are centre left not the left, they appeal to moderate middle class not the working class. there really are no left wing parties in the west other than maybe spain who have a full blown socialist as president. If FDR ran as a democrat today he wouldnt get through the liberal donor class

[@JeoJetsonmusic]

@@munaali840why do people think it’s donors stopping the left?

[@d4mdcykey]

Because it is not an autocracy (yet). The key is to look at what each party has TRIED to do, this is easily looked up on official sites. You can only get so much done when the opposing party refuses to even bring bills to the floor for a vote, even bills that will obviously pass by majority. You can only do so much when the opposing party votes against anything that will help the poor, or creates disinformation fear campaigns against those bills. It's not about "what are they doing for me" it's about "which party is making an actual effort".

[@jobhiojkp]

@@d4mdcykey Yeah, and ON ONE on the right mentions how trump ordered republicans to block the Biden border bill... so donny could gin up anger over the so-called "wide-open borders."

[@briskyoungploughboy]

Workers and small-to-medium businesses that rely on worker's spending power are entirely unrepresented by any contemporary political party. New parties representing those demographics required throughout the English speaking world.

[@dmat4845]

Fascism appealed to the working class historically, so no surprises here.

[@LindaCarruthers-dg7gp]

At last a materialistic, sociologically literate analysis of US politics. Tooze is very good as always.

[@nmk5003]

My only issue with his analysis is his analysis of Musk and the small business community. While I agree with the analysis that the small business world has organized against regulation in certain ways, I don't think that Adam Tooze offers sufficient analysis of their situation in relation to production. The fact is Musk has effectively become a rentier rather than a producer, and the small business community has oriented themselves around this impossible goal of turning their businesses into vehicles for guaranteed rents.

[@jtthoma5]

As an archaeologist I can confidently say that poor, disenfranchised people having been voting in some form against their best interests since the beginning of time (with many notable exceptions like the abandonment of Cahokia, or the Haitian Revolution).

[@nixoni.bogaine155]

There are two parties of the rich in the US. Wtf are you even talking about?

[@konormccracken]

Its a managed, bourgeois democracy - which *isn't* the party of the rich, exactly?

[@JeoJetsonmusic]

The party who’s major policy is always cutting taxes on the rich and corporations further exacerbating the wealth gap

[@mykewilliamsdorsey2727]

Really informative!!

[@alfredtetzlaf9163]

OK I got IT, voting IS Like going to a High school Party - reality is painful...

[@paul-andregravelle]

It's the weak against the strong.

[@BenSmith-mg5jv]

I'm not going to get into the multiple lesser reasons that in a race decided by what this race was decided by would've changed the results and simply answer the question. The Republicans and Trump being the best at it realized long ago that political messaging is about ❤️ not 🧠. In other words, if you make people, " feel, " like you hear them, see them and LIKE THEM and are talking about their problems by USING THE WORDS that THEY use when describing them. REGARDLESS of whether or not you have a coherent plan that would ACTUALLY ADDRESS their issues or ANY PLAN AT ALL will ALWAYS WIN over MORE PEOPLE than talking to people's 🧠/ logically to them about what always is a long complicated policy in SAT words/ terms. That would ACTUALLY address their issues. The majority of people ARE NOT informed enough to understand what you're talking about. Using SAT WORDS and not using the words they're using to talk about their issues doesn't work. NOT being able to connect your solution to how it will improve their issues in a real, slap you in the face everyday day, they'll feel it way. Trump by MERELY making his supporters KNOW that he likes them but MORE IMPORTANTLY see's/ hears them, their problems and talks about said problems using the words and phrasing far closer to, if not identical to the words and phrasing they use and the rare instances he offers a solution he says it in a way that they'll feel immediately and daily. Sadly, for his voters 💯 of the solutions he's put out there, by NEARLY 💯 of the experts in their specific areas will not only NOT fix the CURRENT biggest issues of the day but will do the 💯 opposite and make them worse. Significant broad based TARIFFs ADDS to the price of EVERYTHING, thus ADDS to the price of living that seems to be the #1 issue of the LARGEST number of 🇺🇲🧍🏻of either political party. Let's go to our BROKEN immigration system. MASS DEPORTATION of even HALF the number Trump's PUBLICLY REPEATEDLY promised would HURT NOT HELP the economy. It would do NOTHING for the, " crime in the cities." Which currently and for a while HAS BEEN LOWER than it's been for decades. Why won't it help the crime issue EVEN IF there was one? First, an inconvenient fact is that people who are here undocumented committ FAR LESS crime than American citizens of ALL demographics. Second, if you were able to round up ALL of the undocumented individuals who HAVE committed a crime besides merely being here you'd be deporting a lil more than half a MILLION, not EIGHT TO TEN MILLION people. 6 or 7 hundred thousand people across 50 states WOULDN'T be noticed in terms of crime rates. If he were to deport even HALF of the PROMISED 10 million people there would be huge negative economic consequences because the jobs these people fill have been studied and the LARGE majority of them AREN'T jobs American citizens want or WOULD do and to get American people to do them the UNBELIEVABLE increased cost of the INCREASE in salary, benefits and labor law type adherence cost that DOESN'T need to be followed with NON citizens would RAISE THE COST OF LIVING for everyone and obviously the below 100k a year earner gets hit the worst with any kind of inflation or cost of living increase and the lower the amount you earn the WORSE it'll hit you. In terms of a hands off Russia plan, if they're allowed to KNOW they can just invade their neighboring countries with impunity the VERY NEXT country's after Ukraine are NATO countries. Which we are promised to defend which will change our involvement from ones handing them the 🔫 to US being the ones holding the 🔫. THIS is WHY NATO is so important. However, it's ONLY important if Putin and other would be conqueror's think it'll be used. Whether Trump LITERALLY pulls out of NATO because of his rhetoric, which is the opposite of confidence inspiring, the opposite of what would make anyone think that no matter what we'd come to a NATO allies aid, THIS would in effect render NATO toothless. No would be invader will be deterred by a force they doubt or KNOW won't fight. NATO's and any militarys deterrence DEPENDS FIRST upon the invader's notion that it WILL FIGHT. Removing the indispensable part of said military alliance literally or effectively thru word's that convey it, removes most, if not all of it's deterrence power.

[@iamyoda66]

This is the biggest nonsense I have heard and shows how out of touch these guys are. Real wages are falling and there is zero proof that tariffs will raise prices more than lowering profits…

[@tharunthiruseelan4252]

Wouldn't businesses just raise prices to compensate for their lower profits?

[@Mike-yr1sm]

So, if they raise prices (to consumers) on imported goods, while taking a hit on profits, how is this a good policy? - Especially when you are complaining about real wages...

[@SigFigNewton]

Have tariffs ever not caused price increases? Has that ever happened?

[@SigFigNewton]

Because the other party is also the party for the rich

[@jamesculpepper4055]

Can't stop recycled stupidity

[@BlergleslinkVettermoo]

This has already been covered by prestigious news channel "Duh!".

[@smithb0134]

Why are poor Americans voting for the party of the rich? Well, if you're trying to get in shape, do you hire Rosey O'Donnell to be your trainer? Just saying...

[@SigFigNewton]

Conservatives offer bottom shelf economic policy guaranteed to enhance the enhancement of wealth inequality, which destabilizes society

[@murphyman814]

The only thing worse would be if you paid your in-shape trainer and he worked out during your session and neglected you.

[@Bob-be2pj]

Party of the rich. Isn't that the democrats?

[@SigFigNewton]

It’s both

[@maxheadrom3088]

7:30 I disagree that the people with the lowest income consider the etiquette of gender pronouns and combating climate change too complex - I believe they their reasoning is: yeah, ok, but look at my family, my neighbors and the millions like me - why don't we solve our problems first and stop lecturing us.

[@JunkSock]

Which party will treat me like a client/patron partnership and which will treat me like a friend/enemy? Choice was easy

[@paulkern7229]

which?