Why are Pros NOT Using M4A4 in CS2? 🤔

[@PythonCS]

What do you think? bit.ly/PythonCSclashgg

[@toonorth1546]

fair enough

[@nitesy381]

Did you steal this from someone Lysenko?

[@PythonCS]

@@nitesy381 this is my content

[@peksi507]

It just should kill with 4bullets body atleast close range

[@Ashley_22k]

or you can just have both guns at the same price, which is at $2900

[@cujows1844]

A1-S doesnt have anime women on it tho

[@Agious46]

XD

[@anon2969]

Yet…

[@GraphsCS]

real

[@mercce6750]

But said anime woman is freaking expensive so still more people use A1.

[@kaiduwu]

​​@@mercce6750fn st is only like $200+

[@abe-kun]

Ever since the loadout change, I've seen more people, pros included, using the A4 more often than before

[@dovydas4036]

No

[@laamala99]

@@dovydas4036 yes

[@YaBoiAlex]

Yeahhh nah

[@blah__3000]

Definitely not true (and has literally been demonstrated in the stats in this clip???). People in the last year of GO were using M4A4 far more bc the fact that is was more exxy wasn't as much of an issue.

[@atilla7153]

@@laamala99 nope

[@lapachi_428]

Being broke from CT is real a thing

[@DrankWorldVODS]

Joke on the state? 😂

[@yrds96]

Yeah man, that's because CT has taxes on its weapons while TR buys everything on black market

[@The_lizarddd]

Now is m4a1-s only 100$ cheaper because m4a1-s is costing 2900$ and m4a4 is costing 3000$

[@minabotieso_307]

Que haces aqui hermano??

[@minabotieso_307]

Te echas unas al cs2?

[@The_lizarddd]

@@minabotieso_307 no soy alanEcuatro soy alanELcuatro no es lo mismo

[@minabotieso_307]

@@The_lizarddd entonces te echas una al cs2 o no?

[@The_lizarddd]

@@minabotieso_307 si

[@clownslayer4670]

Actually when the economy is good, the pros does use it; especially B players on maps like mir, inf and ancient. And I'd say a case can be made for a4 being better than a1-s, of course it changes from position to posiiton

[@PythonCS]

The economy needs a change since the rounds to win have changed. It makes no sense in my opinion to have it be the same. Like why do you have to double save? Let’s make it so you have to save one round max

[@evelyneverlasting9038]

​@@PythonCS bro in 1.6 you had to triple save

[@wisetank135]

@@evelyneverlasting9038and the match was 16 rounds

[@2.5k_ping56]

My brother in Christ everyone does that not just the pros

[@clownslayer4670]

@@2.5k_ping56 He said in the video prps never or rarely use the m4; thats why I said ghat

[@jp-cb8wc]

I love the m4a4. Maybe it is because of the dragon king skin but still. 10 more rounds is a game changer.

[@goochipoochie]

I only ever use m4 because it has objectively better skins (dragon, player, emperor etc etc) Other than that it has no benefits over s, if magazine size matter in a fight I'd rather buy an smg

[@PerseusR51]

Yeah, having more bullets per mag can definitely be a game changer. Especially defending a site against more than two Ts.

[@empirewrld]

​@@goochipoochieu suck in this game

[@josephhutchins8]

@@goochipoochie Good luck with your mp9 when your holding long and the entire T side rush out towards you.

[@athaynha]

the sound of the shots of the m4a4 are so satisfying

[@ericmgomes]

“99 in 2” needs to go away. One headshot and one body shot is plenty to kill an enemy. M4A4 is going to reign king over M4A1-S.

[@coSocks]

I don't think they did, but to me it feels like they fucked with the damage in this game. I tagged a guy 87 in 2 with a scout yesterday, why do I have to hit someone 3 times with the fucking scout now? And sometimes, a scout body shot and a deagle body shot aren't even enough to kill someone..

[@solome6478]

@@coSocksscout does 81 or 87 (I forget) for body shot, you probably hit a wall bang

[@T0NI_]

@@coSocksyeah you’re definitely just either legging people or hitting them through obstacles

[@jmgonzales7701]

I feel like because of the rate of fire the m4a4 should not be given a 1 one headshot power like the ak. If ever it should be the m4a1-s

[@T0NI_]

@@jmgonzales7701 good thing no one said it should be able to 1-tap then?

[@mysticfellow9843]

The ten rounds are soo important in situations where you can't reload and you're facing multiple enemies at once.

[@Mikrowave]

The easier recoil makes it easier for people who dont want to learn the pattern of the a4 as well

[@goochipoochie]

Don't need to learn any recoil patterns just enable folllow recoil crosshair like i do

[@j0xx02]

You wont be good enough for that. Against stupid mm players it can work maybe but you will never be able to kill people fast enough all the time in higher ranks (high level faceit or against good enemies)​@@goochipoochie

[@OliviaKirgo]

@@goochipoochiewhat does that do?

[@Mikrowave]

​@@goochipoochiepeople are lazy and I've told like 30 people to do it and they refuse to

[@timonbubnic322]

​@@Mikrowave it feels really weird if u played cs for a long time

[@kraken598]

M4a4 with 10 bullets more it’s just a game changer, and you can’t change my mind.

[@vlitzenbird6234]

It takes 4 shots to kill someone with an m4a1-S and 5 shots with an m4a4 so even though it has a higher fire rate the kill time is still faster with an m4a1-S

[@hearTelus]

This is the real reason and economy has nothing to do with it

[@blastmole299]

Unless you can 2 tap consistently, yes it's better to use M4A1

[@EvgenLion]

​@@blastmole299 but on CT sometimes you have to met rushes . For me that kinda hard to make 3 headshots in a row, but I can spam theirs bodies . 20 bullets more than enough .

[@Ble4uno]

20 bullets vs 5 t with kevlar +ak-47 Xddddd

[@blastmole299]

@@Ble4uno It's the hope you can flash properly situation

[@GunslingerBrothers]

M4A4 is like ct ak47 so if you have good aim it is very effective

[@luv-lost]

Exactly, If you can spray with the AK. You can effectively use the M4.

[@coSocks]

yea then you dink a T for 94 in 1 just to get 1 tapped back immediately

[@_itsDaniel_]

@@coSocks yeah and?

[@jmgonzales7701]

​@_itsDanitel_ then its inferior

[@jmgonzales7701]

​@@coSocksthats the assymetric nature of cs.

[@UndeadVillan]

CT eco just needs an overhaul in general. You're almost always fucked on eco when you lose just one round, vs you lose on T you can still buy AK armor

[@Oscylot88]

“There is no debate that the M4A1-S is better than the M4A4” said no one ever…

[@x-.ivan.-x]

a1 silencer just better

[@Oscylot88]

@@x-.ivan.-x Enemy already knows I’m around the corner, what use is the silencer then? I can spam through smokes without very obviously giving away my position, but then I hardly have any ammo to shoot the enemy.

[@x-.ivan.-x]

@@Oscylot88 if 20 bullets is not enough for you to kill an enemy it is your problem

[@goochipoochie]

Silencer and no tracer == delayed enemy team response in finding out your location even if there are no smokes and you are simply shooting from an angle M4a4 has no benefits and it is just a worse and more expensive ak that cant kill with headshot. There is never any reason to use m4 (i only ever use it for a change or if i get a nice new skin lol)

[@Oscylot88]

@@goochipoochie it does more damage at further range and has significantly more ammo.

[@gunkrock]

the loadout change is a pretty big buff to the a4 in a way, i buy both depending on the spot im playing, team economy, and what guns the 4 other ppl on my team have. running 2 a1's, 2 ar's, and an awp is busted, or 2 a1's, 1 a4, and 2 awp's depending on the map

[@abdelkrimslimani1082]

It's the spray & recoil for me. the M4A4 is a bitch to handle.

[@luv-lost]

If you can control the ak, you got the M4. The S is easy mode.

[@nikolarajcetic2040]

Also M4A4 deals less damage everywhere on body except headshot, but you still can't one shot if headshot

[@althebrokeone7383]

Lol this reminded me of the guy in cs:go whose youtube name was something like "M4A1S is unbalanced and the developers don't care" and he used to comment the same thing on every csgo video.

[@Power_puff_gamer]

With full armor, sometimes its possible that you shoot at head with M4A4 and the enemy still not die.

[@Lotrus-m4y]

Same with m4s or not?

[@gyrozeppeli00]

Loved the A4 ever since I started playing. That extra 10 shots and faster fire speed did wonder on many B rush hold.

[@7eewilsmi127]

the only reason i dont exclusively use the a1-s is because of how i keep dying from not having those extra 10 bullets

[@iGamezRo]

I use both. I only have the A1 equipped, but my friend with whom I always play Wingman has the A4 equipped. If I save an AK for him, he drops me an A4, and I like using it.

[@96kami31]

i don't play cs2 but i only remember that m4a4 being the popular choice over m4a1-s back in csgo

[@voorachter2733]

A1-S is like a weapon from COD ported over to a game with actual recoil mechanics. You don't have to worry about strafing or recoil control, just put crosshair on head and shoot. If you have pro aim it's the perfect weapon.

[@TedoMD]

Why is nobody talking about the use of Holo Katowice 2014's on that M4A1-S? My head hurts.

[@SPEED_LIEBE]

It depends what site, what angle am i playing and which map. Both is really good

[@theshowhost7253]

As an avid a4 player the spray through smoke and multi kill ability is easily why i use it.

[@Lavi037]

The fact that a few months ago, VALVe decided to make the M4A4 $3000 instead of $3100. I remember being 8 years old in Casual of CSGO and playing with this gun and somehow dominating the Chinese players in there. (I'm in Asia-Pacific regions.)

[@marcelzed1154]

Clearly it's because the a1-s has more expensive skins (xcept for the howl)

[@herrben2580]

Your logic is backwards my dude. It has more expensive skins because it’s played more

[@h0llow1716]

but the a4 has the more expensive skins, especially old rare ones

[@goochipoochie]

What are you talking about M4 has all the best rifle skins in the game on CT side (emperor, player, dragon etc etc). Not even talking about over the top rare stuff like howl That is actually a testament to the fact that how trash m4 is, can't even get picked for its insanely good skins 😂😂

[@aXentOG]

Bro got Supply and Demand entirely backwards 😂

[@NavigatorChel]

​@@goochipoochiedecimator, golden coil, printstream for m4a1s tho🫤. not including the hot rod, blue phosphor, knight and so on :)

[@Lexiuku]

I use the A1 because of the feel, bullets seem to just go where I want and the extra ammo is real nice

[@Autogenification]

That's actually a really interesting point about how the total rounds have changed but loss bonus & scaling haven't changed! There's so many things about CS2 that are just sloppy ports from CS:GO that make me wonder if valve are tanking this game on purpose

[@goochipoochie]

That's because idiots still like to eco in cs2 While cs2 is designed to win rounds on force buys with super buffed smgs/shotguns with high kill potential and kill money Cs2 is better in everyway than the trash that csgo was, and now even the hacking situation is better than csgo which was unplayable on official matchmaking servers

[@coSocks]

@@goochipoochie least braindead rage bait:

[@NobodyReallly]

Oh so the issue is not that it costs too much, its that we dont have enough money? Brillant.

[@renanseal]

The only way for me to change A1-s to A4 is if valve reduce the spread of A4, with higher fire rate and less spread, maybe it would be a viable option to A1-S

[@beatle7809]

I noticed it is harder to make money as a ct. You can win pistol, and 2 rounds after that, and can’t afford a m4a1s sometimes

[@taurusj3748]

Thank god they changed the price gap to only be 100 but I think it’s the recoil and spread on M4-S that makes it better than the M4A4

[@tralpht]

Wait for someone who played CS like a long long time ago i thought you can just right click and ur character puts a silencer on ur m4.

[@friendlyreaper9012]

That's a completely different gun. It's just the m4a1 then, the only benefit that I can think of is that it has better moving accuracy than the other rifles.

[@areaxisthegurkha]

M4A4 can realistically have a suppression barrel too but the game doesn't want that.

[@cumfield]

up until csgo this was the case yeah, and in those versions the damage was -4 with supressor on, damage in csgo and 2 the sup adds damage :shrug:

[@meintablet9690]

A1s for more lang range Maps or positions , A4 for Maps or positions that involve more Close Combat.

[@beng2469]

I was quite surprised when I saw there’s no change to the economy system when cs2 got released. I still find myself not being able to buy m4a4+kevlar&helmet+all utils after 2 rounds of full save. It was fine in mr15 but maybe not fit for mr12. So yeah, I have to go with m4a1s simply for the cheaper price point.

[@M3Toasty]

The problem is that the next chance I get, I'm swapping that m4 for an AK and would like to save a little cash for when I just die with it.

Just buy mp9, utility and u will have more chances to stole some ak)

[@ZachShults]

I'm so used to the A4 spray that when I use the a1s i just overcompensate and hit body

[@MRgemmu]

waht you do when enemy rush? m4a1: Reload and die m4a4: your teammates congratulate you

[@LeoLafon]

I tend to play casually nowadays but was high ranked back in the days, so now because I play rarely I am in quite low elo lobbies (especially playing competitive because of tjr map ranks) and to me the m4a4 is waaay better for multi killing and carrying a lobby, when you play against same level opponents the a1s advantages starts to get interesting tho

[@RaroogTV]

Just because more players use M4A1-S doesn't mean it's better.

[@jonakenb1700]

Kinda agree.. tho if, if my team is winning by big round gap then I like to use M4A4

[@thanks_605]

I like a4 for close range multifrag spots like B car on dust2. I’ve run out of bullets so many times there with a1s

[@Doopyy]

I don’t play cs anymore but I always thought that the M4 Unsilenced should be 1 shot head shot. Maybe too OP for CT side though.

[@mlgraccoon2311]

I feel like a fun change would be to change the 666rpm rate of fire to 720rpm to justify the stronger rifle being more expensive

[@RustyCog]

“It’s not actually because the m4a4 costs too much, it’s actually because it costs too much!”

[@goofygoodpasture8511]

I use the a4 for the extra bullets, my issue is that I have a tendency to swing a group, and with a A1S I can take down 2-3 people, but I have aced with a a4

[@8bitKatwalk]

I feel like my bullets disappear with that silencer tho

[@kacperbraszkiewicz2819]

I remember back in the day u got 1900$ for losing the pistol and then they changed it so force buys weren't as strong, think it might be a good idea to bring it back up to 1900$

[@CloneDronePlayer]

You forgot one thing, a4 deals less damage-ish the a1 can 4 shot someone at close range while the a4 neds to 5 shot (5 shots goes for both I think about from mir window to mid top) but the a4 has a less of a damage over distance dropoff so it can deal consistent damage over longer distances while the a1 cannot. So it all comes down to position, as i am a (inferno) apps player (wingman) I prefer the a1 because of the lower tine to kill.

[@FrancisDoubleA]

never played csgo/cs2 but i felt like M4A1 should be M4A4 reskin because its literally just a direct upgrade, speaking from playing cs 1.6/cs source

[@ElPizas]

I have always liked the a1s but Im always missing the other rifle I like both so much, they are a pleasure to shoot ngl

[@attentiondeficit6284]

m4a4s fire rate is what makes it better than a1s. usage highly depends on how the enemy team is pushing

[@Iam_tails]

I think that boosting the economy would be a good idea but i also think that if they make the m4a4 be a guaranteed headshot at all range with a helmet, like the ak, it would be used a lot more

[@homiekev_]

I agree that it would be used more if that was the case. Through doing so it defeats the purpose of the AK being the tool for T side pushes.

[@heyhey9114]

Nah....M4A4 all the way, we sprayin bullets up here.

[@MrNotSoSerious28]

Because before csgo was turned into cs2 the m4a41s got a damage buff lol so its always a 4 shot where the m4a4 isnt always 4 shot

[@Nixeroo0]

Tf, am I the only one that is not understanding it? "The problem is not that its the more expensive rifle in ct side, people choose the m4a1-s because its 200$ cheaper." Then why do u say that the problem is not it being more expensive when literally a second after u say that they buy the m4a1-s because its cheaper.. And I know about the bullets in smoke etc. But just why say that money is not the reason when seconds after, the first reason is the money.. EDIT: If I'm wrong about something or I just didn't understand something then just someone please explain it to me, instead of hating like usually people do to people.

[@ashadowintime7305]

no no this guy's channel is absolutely r worded.

[@joshcaldwell4885]

My interpretation is he’s saying the problem is not with the rifle (M4A4) itself, but the economy for CT side. He chose to describe it as the more expensive rifle rather than just calling it the M4A4 which is causing your confusion.

[@Nixeroo0]

​@@joshcaldwell4885now that i think of it, you may be right. Thanks for bringing this up man.

[@Nixeroo0]

​@@ashadowintime7305mine? Or the one that uploaded this vid?

[@joshcaldwell4885]

@@Nixeroo0 Happy to help, my friend!

[@onur97able]

It is as if we are back to days of the release of m4a1s same problems back then too

[@jaykay8057]

I play with m4-S and everytime I use the M4a4 "Oh it's soooo mutch better" and next game, I play with M4a1-S ... Holy shit..

[@samwu1836]

They could try buying a Negev, play close corners with a shotgun while playing hyper-defensive and use SMGs for interception, but CS players don’t really innovate until a super team tries something new.

[@nicolasmaniaci8098]

Not sure if it would end up making ct side too op but I’ve always thought A4 should be a 1 shot head shot like the ak

[@user-ot8wl7oh9s]

I keep seeing people die using m4a1s because how slow it is to shoot when direct engagement with an ak

[@coSocks]

it's actually crazy how much better the AK feels than both M4s in CS2 (imo)

[@xbunta]

When is think they Rush B or A i pick the M4A4 (because the magazine), when is a "chill" rond i pick M4-S.

[@030coc3]

1. Silencer looks cooler 2. Racking sounds like plastic nerf gun

[@ramoncitocatacutan2964]

Because of the silencer. If you put yourself in areas where there's more than 1 cover, you make the most of it.

[@and1rew]

My fav is the A1-S but personally i use the M4A4 in bot matches edit: yes, i suck at CS2 and CS:GO

[@reacts]

It depends for me on what I’m feeling that day LOL

[@luv-lost]

I use the M4, when switching between M4 and Ak the recoil is closer. Once you get used to it the M4 is always a better buy. It also depends on position. If you are going to solo a site, M4. if you are with a group, go for the S. The lower recoil and smaller pattern is actually a bad thing because it messes with my muscle memory. If I have an M4 and pick up a AK, no. S and pick up an AK? Whiff unless tapping.

[@AC3Zer0]

We were playing CT side on Vertigo on Face It.. i played with a smg 7 rounds..

[@catha86]

It depends on the economy. I never use it now a days since I buy nades which is more fun to use and more versatile

[@DusanRistic1]

It's true I play csgo since 2018 and I playing always m4a4 but after cs2 realising I play ONLY m4a1-s

[@misterchief4079]

I use both depending on what map im on and where im holding. If im on inferno holding boiler and mid from short i use the m4a4 (pretty much close range). If im on b coffins holding banana im using the m4a1s (bit longer range especially if u have to Fall back a bit)

[@silly_goofs]

its funny because most ppl picked the A4 im GO but now that u can have both equipped everyone gets the a1s

[@Zieshur]

I never even knew this weapon existed until now

[@damascussteel7688]

It's equipped by default what the fuck are you talking about

[@goochipoochie]

Wait till you find out cs2 has a gaygun

[@Vloiduc]

And 1 month later, he changed his mind

[@WaleedHassan-bu1ff]

I keep both in my loadout and choose which ever I want same with deagle and revolver

[@Noexithere]

It seems that valve already made the m4a4 cheaper by 100 dollars, i guess it needs a some little buff by damage (by headshot) and for A1-s is lower headshot damage but higher armor penetration and damage to body (i think i said the same thing but still) and lastly for the AUG, it also needed to be cheaper by $100 and a little more damage, oh, one more thing, the economy is needed to be reimagined

[@Epictroll48]

I have both equipped, and use it depending on how I feel. Probably use the A1s slightly more because of Econ

[@TheFuryKnight]

"You did 99 damage " now you know

[@wiwn00]

Been using both in my loadout. Some maps or position need you to have more bullets.. hahah

[@certified0093]

The M4A1 and M4A4 are already balanced in my opinion, but 100 more dollars on round loss would make a huge difference in ensuring teams have more money to play with

[@wellingtonbruh3756]

Valve will make a huge change to how many rounds you have to play yet not adjust the economy. It shows they don't understand the economy dynamics that made csgo great. It seems they don't understand half the things that made csgo great.

[@BrandonThomas-e7v]

I wouldn’t say one is better than the other because of their multiple differences to balance. The a1-s takes one less shot to kill at short and mid range which a4 makes up for it with the faster fire rate. With the recent price change as well to just 3000 for the a4.

[@PhasZeni]

The main reason imo is the A4 is now way less acc due to the subtick and spray change

[@dnt991]

To balance the M4A4 more effectively, it needs a cost reduction. Currently, costing 200 more than the A1-S for worse recoil and less penetration doesn't make sense

[@Jiusonium]

"There's no debate" 😂

[@zeztox]

I use it because rate of fire is slower, and people cant hear where i shoot them from when i flank.

[@facelesscsgo4134]

I agree 100% and somehow you feel higher risk by buying it.

[@KolliOde]

I found myself wayyy better with a1s because i just hit the shots better, sometimes i pick it over ak even as terrorist. The bullets are just too low tho i get caught out of bullets way too many times because i just sprayed down a player and next ones coming and i have like under 8 bullets left

[@davidfriddy5824]

The economy did change a bit. And knowing what and when to buy makes you not be broke

[@nikos2118]

M4A4 also has better long range damage. The only benefit of the A1-S is the silencer and the price (which is pretty huge)

[@miciogattomatto]

may be a bad loadout that makes me feel that way: but i feel like my economy takes more of a hit when losing the CT pistol round than when losing the T pistol round. Actually no it's just true: after losing the T pistol round i still have enough money to barely afford a P90, after losing the CT pistol round i barely have enough money for an MP7 and Armor

[@denylegit7800]

1shot hs on point blank like aug would be great

[@bryce4650]

Man I remember when the a4 was preferred by a wide margin

[@timobotermans4111]

Hahaha bro was still so used to the m4a4 costing 3100 but it’s 3000 now

[@jshrubz]

Been using the A4 only for years. It just feels better. Don't really know how to better explain it, but the A4 recoil, spread, and fire rate feel so much better than the A1S to me.

[@Alm2A]

Exacly, a1 spray is horrible. Noobies likes it because they just run down mouse and get 50/50 while rest of weapons needs more brain usage. M4A4 spray is just better.

[@ka1ru]

Equip both and you'll always have a primary and nades on buy rounds