Why are there 2 Wolverines in MvC2? An Investigation.

[@MikeJr9284]

I find it hilarious that Wolverine, a character who is known for having a healing factor in the comics, has the lowest overall HP in MvC2.

[@jmcrofts]

and sentinels are basically made of paper in the cartoon lollll

[@ChillavaKirby]

and also the character known for his claws struggles from low range in a fighting game

[@Fishman465]

Particularly with bone claw wolvie whose healing factor is such that he could get hit by a truck and by the time he lands from the impact, he'd be fully healed.

[@braveyungjablezxbl79]

Yeah I once read that the Wolverines' red life heals the fastest when they're tagged out... kinda cool it fits the lore, but I'd raster they just get the defense buff

[@Tenchigumi]

@@jmcrofts "THIS ONE'S FOR YOU, MORPH!"

[@PatriciaCross]

In the 90s, Wolverine lost his adamantium for a bit. Magneto ripped it out if his body. This actually caused him to mutate further, since his healing factor is constantly trying to heal away the adamantium. It went into overdrive, and made him more feral and bestial. I think this would have worked better if they went a little farther to differentiate them visually. Edit his head so he isn't wearing his mask and instead has wild hair and the bandana style mask he wore around that time, possibly the fangs he was often portrayed with at the time.

[@kinginthenorth1437]

The overdriven healing factor making him more bestial and the bandana look came 25 issues later after he rejected an attempt to have adamantium put back in his body.

[@yaboikiba4302]

He also lost his nose.

[@CrispyFajita]

They could have made him a glass canon or maybe his combo potential greater but low damage

[@andremalerba5281]

LOL Capcom working on new sprites for the same character...ask Morrigan's opinion about this one LOL

[@PatriciaCross]

@@andremalerba5281 they did, though. Both of these Wolverine's have different sprites. Bone claw has longer claws. It would not have to much work to draw new heads for the bone claw ones. Also; War Machine is a moderately modified Iron Man sprite, and Venom actually uses the Sabertooth sprite as a stencil (it becomes really glaring when you put their sprite sheets side by side). Yeah... Capcom saved money by reusing sprites rather than making new ones a lot. They also modified a lot of sprites, what I mentioned above was just the tip of the iceberg. MvC2 is actually an incomplete game: if they had a bit more time they probably would have balanced it better and made both Wolverines more obviously different than just the claws.

[@jwonggg]

why arent there 3 wolverines?

[@rekmadethebeat]

Lol yeah why

[@zakutenakazumiya1516]

The 3rd one would be X-23

[@seilaoquemvc2]

because all of them would suck just as much? lol.

[@digitalascent13]

I’m thinking you shoot for the 8-pete or 9-pete using this new only wolverine team Justin….

[@jmcrofts]

Sabertooth AKA good wolverine

[@Skullcaptain27]

The “giant energy x, was in reference to when Wolverine fought the hulk in the comic book and slashed a hole through him. The pose is the same and all just the energy x was an added touch by the game.”

[@Skullcaptain27]

@ALL HANDS ON STEAM DECK that’s a good ass question 😂😂😂😂

[@eligonzales186]

Which issue?

[@angelriverasantana7755]

Hulk issue 181

[@sukmykrok3388]

When wolverine got his adamantium ripped out by Magneto it severely weakened his healing factor to the point where it was almost non-existent. So having Boneclaw with weaker defenses and smaller health is canonically accurate.

[@Fishman465]

For a time, but afterward, it sprang back with a vengeance (Likely due to no longer having to counteract the metal's toxic qualities).

[@sukmykrok3388]

@@Fishman465 yeah, but the version in the game seems to be the fresh Boneclaw where even his mental faculties were severely weakened.

[@TheCasaresway]

Nnnnnuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrddddddddddddddd

[@dawe964]

I knew Wolverine adamantium was actually making him weaker aside for the metal bones advantages. Slower healing factor due to intoxication plus less agility or something..

[@Fishman465]

@@dawe964 the metal was quite heavy

[@beauleidig8670]

While I do appreciate them including Bone Claw Wolverine, I do wish they had gone the extra mile and given him a different costume. They could have had him run without the mask on at the very least, which was common for Wolverine during the bone claw days.

[@arkhamasylum8972]

They kinda do with his longer claws than adamantium Wolverine. After the adamantium was ripped out of his body by Magneto, he started getting a bunch of mutations as you said which includes longer claws at least when looking at the art in the comics which is why bone Wolverine has longer claws. They could've done more but it's something atleast.

[@gwapaulo]

@@arkhamasylum8972 longer claw is just stretching the original sprite lol.

[@FemoDOGG]

That would've required a whole new sprite Ken and Ryu have the same moveset, just different colors lmfao Wolverine is the same 🙄

[@WRILLI4M]

Yeah, a head swap wouldn't be so hard to get. Keeping the same sprites were quite lazy for my taste. And no, alternate colors don't work as well, since the video itself shows that adamantium Wolverine has a color that's almost identical to bone-clawed Wolverine.

[@dannyboy5008]

The time not put into bone claw wolverines redesign probably went towards something else. It'd be nice to have new sprites, but those take a lot of time and resources.

[@Zetact_]

Marvel players: "It's weird that there are two versions of Wolverine in MvC2." Dragon Ball players:

[@devilmaycrysarockingdontcome]

You can build 2 different teams with no repeats all with different gokus

[@PantsMasterPlays]

@@devilmaycrysarockingdontcome and then another team of just fusions featuring Goku

[@bluecanine3374]

@@PantsMasterPlays and let's not forget they could still add more Gokus, like Turles or Goten

[@skylerdarkavelifinesseflow7115]

@@bluecanine3374 .. Then thats not Goku

[@SoldierGai]

2 Wolverines and a Sabretooth

[@I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERS]

It's very interesting that bone wolverine just randomly has the only low hitting assist and makes me wonder what other unique gems might be hidden in other underused characters. Maybe you could have a whole series exploring each mvc2 character and pointing out such unique hidden properties.

[@randubs1206]

Air nado claw

[@keithragin89]

No

[@gekisage7448]

Glory to the ratio

[@johndoe9458]

Doesn't blackheart have a low hitting assist too?

[@TheKasinO]

The big reason Marvel pushed the adamantium Wolverine was bc the game was set to release early 2000. They knew at the end of 1999 they were going back to adamantium Wolverine in the comics, restoring his adamantium skeleton. At the time Marvel already had multiple deals in the works including the 2000 X-men movie (with adamantium) and there was a big push at Marvel for uniformity especially with toys and video game merchandise (they filed chapter 11 Bankruptcy in 1996 and were trying to make more profit toward the decline of comics). There were slight disagreements with Capcom but Marvel was fine as long as they tried to get comic sales back up (same reason Marrow is in the game.)

[@skibobshipoddlypop]

It's weird that they were insisting on him being comic accurate, just go with the famous version everyone knows. It'd be like if they were like, "Ah, we WOULD put Captain America in, but he's Nomad now!". Marrow at least has justification from a game play perspective, she has unique powers

[@mikeg2491]

@@skibobshipoddlypop marvels always been weird about control over their properties, Disney/Marvel actually mandated marvel cut down on the number of X-men characters in MvC3 because they were butthurt Fox still had the X franchise, as if somehow fans being mad there’s few mutants is going to make Fox hand it over or something, I don’t get their logic.

[@92mrbangbang]

Yeah that is weird seeing how fatal attraction happened in 93' lmfao

[@Grandleon]

@@mikeg2491 From what I heard a lot of it had to do with former CEO Isaac Perlmutter. He was reportedly very controlling in his management and didn't like anything that wouldn't promote the films and TV shows.

[@SeanWheeler100]

They should have had bone Wolverine as just a skin for Wolverine, not give him another spot on the roster. I just read on the Marvel vs. Capcom Wiki that US Agent was going to be in the game, but Bone Wolverine took his spot. They really should have kept US Agent. Marvel vs. Capcom 2 tried to bring back as many characters from the past Marvel Capcom fighting games, but not only was there a few cuts, a spot on the roster was wasted on an extra Wolverine!

[@LOL-gn5oh]

I love how Wolverine's claws look kinda "loose", not totally rigid, in his idle animation.

[@MilkT0ast]

I do like it too, but it makes em look kinda floppy

[@CommunitySkratch]

It looks amazing

[@shawnganske8731]

I'm the opposite, it actually used to annoy the hell out of me, as a kid I knew if they were floppy they wouldn't hurt as much, I've gotten use to the look now.

[@Tenchigumi]

I also dig the "looseness" of Wolvie's claws; it was a constant reminder that his claws were originally (and still at their core) organic parts of Logan's body, not just pieces of metal slapped into his forearms. As for the notion of "weak floppiness," you simply need to remember that your body can be both loose/fluid or tense/rigid as needed; that principle forms the the basis of most martial arts. Logan can be loose and relaxed in his idle animation, but slash and smash like a murder truck when he tightens up them guns. All in all, it made Wolverine look so much more alive and human, a trait that Capcom basically mastered with most of their CPS2 and 3 character designs.

[@MilkT0ast]

@@Tenchigumi I really like this explanation of them

[@evilkeima]

I recall as a kid Bone Wolverine's Berserker barrage can be mashed to do multiple hits even if you miss the first hit, where Adamantium Wolvie's must hit (even if blocked) to be able to mash Berserker Barrage.

[@loxxkingdreddy]

The tornado claw as well I believe

[@GlitchanBlack]

Damn, Bone Wolverine really IS the better one out of the two.

[@Space23SPR]

For the HP, every character actually has 144 HP, the damage they take though is character dependant (defense value). In training mode it shows 143 but the truth is the game is preventing the character from being KOed by dropping all damage to 0. So if your combo shows doing 143 damage, its techincally doing more.

[@datguy5818]

Interesting

[@brahms0624]

@@datguy5818 indeed

[@mitchmediak]

That's pretty wild that bonerine has the ONLY low hitting assist, considering how many different assists are in this game

[@RuhabDabeer]

Bonerine 😂

[@tubeman69]

It's awesome that they loved the comics so much they knew Bone Claw Logan and Adamantium Logan are 2 distinctly different people. Both are insanely iconic to the X-Men and Marvel mythos in the comics. One of my favorite aspects of the pre-MvC3 Marvel games were tons of nods to comic material without explaining it at nauseum which fans of course understood, but also encouraged fans of the game but not deep into comics to look into it with the mystery aspect. True "Fan Service" in games like this are one of the nostalgic things I love about them.

[@paulakroy2635]

Mvc3 had a ton of that just look at the intros

[@IlokanoWarrior]

they're not different people though, he was born without adamantium and received the Adamantium after being placed in the Weapon X program. then Magneto ripped the Adamantium from his body , and later on in his story the metal was replaced again.

[@Ihatethewaythatyou]

Lol I like this comment is way better worded than my attempt. But yeah as a nerd I loved the little nods, nd it did help me spark my interest in some other comic stories. Them 90s games were like that.

[@Wolfedge75]

IIRC "regular" Wolverine is lifted from MvC1, and Bone Wolvie is derived from his MSH/XvSF iteration. One Logan has a vertical divekick while the other has a diagonal one, but other than that I can't tell the difference other than Bone's lack of moves.

[@juanatenco453]

Yeah I noticed that long ago, but I didn't know bone Wolverine was such a weakling in terms of HP.

[@rebirth2526]

Wolverine in X-MEN COTA , MvSF , MvC1 vertical divekick Wolverine in MSH , XvSF diagonal divekick

[@trentdaddydolla647]

I always loved to pick bone claw wolverine because he was faster than the original version plus I can do more damage with his air tornado claw. The regular one didn't have air tornado claw

[@andremalerba5281]

That! There's also a low kick or something that is different and follows those games moves! I just don't know why they've kept Bone claw Wolverine instead of going only with Adamantium one. At the same time, I would love to have MvsC1 Ryu with that transforming super LOL

[@_Prismadoll]

I'm pretty sure Doug Walker (yes, that one) is a double Wolverine player. There's an old video of him at a convention playing Wolverine / Morrigan / Bonerine and being "the guy at the setup nobody could beat" Take that how you will, I just remembered that video from years ago after seeing "double Wolverine" mentioned lmao UPDATE: Found it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZjJiZaMnLKIqbc

[@rodactyl6807]

bruhs beating up dudes who cant even push block or hit confirm. that was a painful watch

[@_Prismadoll]

@@rodactyl6807 it’s Doug Walker what do you want lmao

[@KaoticReach1999]

Huh...thats the most random thing I've seen today, never would of guessed

[@MrPlow-jc4cr]

Let's be honest, there's 2 Wolverine's because he was hands down the most popular character Marvel had at the time

[@hitmanmonaghan6633]

Ah yes, the days before Ironman/MCU.

[@MrPlow-jc4cr]

@@hitmanmonaghan6633 And pre-Spidey revival with the Rami films

[@VOAN]

People forgot that in the previous game Marvel vs. Capcom 1, there's also two Venoms (one is Red Venom which reference Carnage), two War Machines (the other is Gold War Machine which reference Iron Man), two Hulks (last is Orange Hulk which reference the Sasquatch or maybe the Thing), and two Chun-Lis (the dark version is called Shadow Lady).

[@anotherhealingjourneybegins]

@@VOAN 2 Morrigans too! Though it was a Lilith body swap/color change

[@manuefeli]

@@anotherhealingjourneybegins lilith is part of darkstalkers's roster

[@megamix5403]

I'm surprised they didn't add two Ryus lol but yeah, I do believe Marvel may have had a say in it. They have expressed disdain against Capcom's decisions time and time again like how Norimaro was cut from the US version of MSHvSF and adding Shuma in UMvC3.

[@elmaionesosexo]

Or a transformation for him

[@goobersunshine3864]

This is interesting - I didn't know about this. Are there links to articles about this stuff?

[@KingAllpha321]

Doubt it. Capcom likely didn't want to draw a new marvel character so it was better to add another wolverine to make it easy.

[@vydelhicks9099]

You can pick 3 ryus on mvc2 once you unlock everything in the game

[@VOAN]

In Marvel vs. Capcom 1 they had 2 Hulks, 2 Venoms, 2 War Machines, 2 Morrigans, and 2 Chun-Lis. Ryu could transform into Ken and Evil Ryu if that counts. Orange Hulk, Red Venom, Gold War Machine, Lilith Mode Morrigan, and Shadow Lady Chun-Li are all hidden characters. Orange Hulk is a reference to either the Sasquatch or the Thing, Red Venom is a reference to Carnage, Gold War Machine is basically similar to Iron Man, Lilith Mode Morrigan is basically Lilith in Morrigan's body, Evil Ryu is Ryu when or if he accept the Dark Hadou, and Shadow Lady Chun-Li is based on Chun-Li's brainwash appearance in the Street Fighter II V anime series. Roll is the only hidden character in that game that's not a clone or a version of an existing character and the only one that had her own theme song.

[@raymondjames4694]

One is the normal wolverine with adamantium skeleton and hits harder but is a little bit slower because of the weight. The other is Wolverine after the incident with Magneto and has no adamantium skeleton and is a little faster because of not having the extra weight.

[@Paper_Jam200]

I wish they made bone claw look like that monster version of Wolverine that happened when Wolverine rejected the adamantium merger

[@LeroyPatterson]

Another difference: Bone Claw Wolverine will pay you back on Thursday of the same week he borrowed money from you, the other takes a week or two to pay you back because "something came up".

[@RyanMorgan89]

i found your channel less than a month ago, and your already my favorite content by far, all your videos are top-tier, top-shelf

[@Angryhelder]

Bone Wolverine has the move set of Wolverine from MSH where you can see with his drop kick, and Adamantium Wolverine has the move set from MVC . The speed super I believe must be taken from the MSH Time Gem power because it behaves the same.

[@RandoBox]

The speed buff was from Children of the Atom.

[@Angryhelder]

@@RandoBox True as well, just too bad they both have crap health.

[@mr.leroysmith7012]

nah that move of adamantium wolverine started from the MVS. even the fatal claw and 7 shadows super started in that game.

[@Jiterdomer]

The only missing from CoTA is the Healing Factor, Wolverine's pose during that move became an entry pose after tagging in.

[@SixFingersXi]

Imagine if his real life healing abilities applied in here, over time his bar goes up slowly. Godlike.

[@SoulofXeno]

Imagine if hulk had it too. That would've made both of them top tier

[@Augmintt]

Bonerines weapon X super will complete when it hits an assist (and he will be invulrenable till it finishes). Bonerine can also combo from his drill claw in a air combo only when on 1P side (launch, sj Lk, mk, downwards drill claw, Lp, Hp) Both have tag combos on a few select sized characters (tron, collosus) using Down jab, down mp, Down Hp, tag as Wolverine switches sides from the Down Hp. You can do more damage from a speed up combo in the corner by using standing HP, dash Lp, Hp .....

[@KrypptikkSoulslayer]

I notice that in none of the games the creators never added Wolverine’s healing factor. They need to add it either in a way of a super move or having it automatically gradually healing his life bar.

[@syrelian]

He gets faster Red Bar recovery in the backline, the problem with both of those suggestions is that they're uhh Ass to balance in a way that is reasonable, Heal Supers are typically terrible or godlike depending on how vulnerable they are, and Regen in general is..... very very touchy to balance, and encourages defensive/keepaway play without meaningful interaction involved

[@youhaveayds8975]

And the fact that bonerine takes more damage shows he doesn't have a healing factor

[@Jiterdomer]

Omega Red heals himself in the game and CoTA but not Wolverine himself.

[@sonicmario64]

Now that I think about it, I'm surprised that Capcom has never featured Mystique in any of their fighting games, and I'm able to imagine that she would play similarly to Shang Tsung from "Mortal Kombat" by having the ability to morph into any character at will, though she probably wouldn't be able to use any of their special attacks (namely projectiles) if the creators were able to remain true to the original source.

[@luisreyes1963]

Mystique would be a pain in the butt to program due to the massive amount of data needed for her to mimic all of the Marvel roster, let alone the Capcom one.

[@PlayerZeroStart]

Alternatively, she could play more like Double in Skullgirls who morphs for specific moves and those moves function very differently from the original version of the same move.

[@HasegawaRayven]

​@@PlayerZeroStart Don't they technically have that covered with Spiral, though?

[@SymbioticVader]

Morph could do it more lore friendly

[@theotherjared9824]

Their wobbly claws make me uncomfortable.

[@mrharoun3214]

Stop watching porn bro its staring to mess with you 🧴🧻💦🥜

[@maturin1919]

Every time.

[@blackE1114]

Legit! They're like extra digits as opposed to attached sabers. Freaky!

[@craigford33]

Dead ass!!! I thought it was just me!

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

It might be just to simulate 3D.

[@michaelpowell3204]

What I've read, which seems consistent with my experience playing Wolverine over the years, is that Bone Wolverine is representative of the SFvXmen version, and Adamantium Wolverine is the MvC1 version. Having played a lot of Wolverine in COTA, I noticed the MvC version felt way different, kind of less savage and intuitive than I liked. The air DP is part of it, but I also hated the f+HP move. So, when MvC2 came out I played both and found that Bone was the one I wanted.

[@itraynell]

Hey jmcrofts, with the new Spider-Man movie recently being released, I think it would be really cool to see a breakdown video like this for Spider-Man in MVC2. You don't really hear much about Spidey in this game so an in depth view of the character would be interesting.

[@miasuke]

Between MvC1 and MvC2, the X-Men comic saga where Magneto removed Wolverine's adamantium was a thing... So, having two Wolverines was a way to have the latest comic incarnation of Wolverine without removing the iconic "metal claws" and avoiding to make fans upset. Just to not, Iron Man was missing from MSHvsSF because Tony situation in the comics in that time, and putting War Machine in MvC1 was an alternative way to have Iron Man in the game due the character's high demmand without going against the comic's stories from that time.

[@dougskotnitsky3579]

The warmachine being in mvc was due to a legal dispute. Another company had exclusive rights that year to produce an iron man game, (acclaim I think but I forget). This was when MvC was already deep in development and set to release soon so they just pallet swapped Iron man into war machine with barely any changes. In MvC2 they could use iron man again so warmachine got tweeked a bit to be his own charecter (the short version is beam moves became missles and vice versa).

[@smashmaster521]

Actually, Iron Man wasn't in MvC1 due to licensing issues at the time. I don't know why they didn't apply to War Machine, but that's why he got in over Iron Man.

[@SandwitchZebra]

The version of Hulk in the early MVC games also reflected his current “merged Hulk” persona at the time, where he had Banner’s intellect and Hulk’s strength (which is what inspired Banner’s new form in Endgame lol)

[@reptil100]

I still wish they have added Thor in MvC2. I mean they already had a sprite to work of from MvC.

[@JMUSICEnsembleOfficial]

Been thinking about this since I was younger! Thanks as always!

[@fRikimaru1974]

So, a guy with healing powers and six blades coming out of his hands does little damage and has little health too...

[@haldosprime3896]

Very informative, I never would have realized all those weird differences between the two. Also, 13:57 was so slick. Good stuff.

[@SeanBeanie4191]

This game looks beautiful, kinda wish they go back to this art style if they ever make a 5th game.

[@arenarreyes]

This is peak pixel art, it’s quite timeless compared to 3D art, I hope that games in the future go back to this kind of artstyle too.

[@ColorsBright]

​@@arenarreyesI find the 3d models to be very hard on the eyes... Looks bad

[@j3r3miasmg]

Thanks for the video. A minor feedback about the video: When you choose two wolverines for player one and two for player two, my mind always got confused when you are talking about adamantium wolverine and your character is the golden/brown costume. In my mind (probabley the problem is me) blue costume is adamantium and brown is the bone one and mixeup both in the explanation bugged me a little. (don't get me wrong, it's a really cool video)

[@LancerkingNoel]

3:10 Fatal Claw, you mention it like him doing an energy attack. But I think the special move is about Wolverine making a hyper speed multihit and we only see him after it finished with him in the X flash and later on the oponent starts to suffer the damage. You know, like the trope of the swordsman that slashes lots of eenemies and only after he stops do the enemies fall or start to get sliced

[@6die9ne]

Judgement Cut

[@DM-nx7tu]

I just find it awesome that the devs even took the time too look up the different variations of the marvel lineup and the fact that feral wolverine (idk why but i think that's the actual name for this form although he mutates to look more beast like in the comic i still refer that variation as feral wolverine for logan having said natrual bone claws again after magneto literally ripped out the adamantium from his bones) is amazing to me and you never see that variation of wolverine besides his different costume changes over the year's . Even better to think he has a one of a kind assist out of the whole roster that's potentially invincible if done right but ironically he and his orignal counterpart have the lowest HP in the game. Love the vids brother keep up the amazing work!

[@nivyan]

It's kind of counter-intuitive that the guy with a adamantium skeleton has the least amount of health. Dude should have one of the highest.

[@bfeldz1023]

Technically, he only has the least health when he doesn't have the adamantium.

[@SolarDNA]

Right before this game came out was the story arc where Magneto ripped the Adamantium from Wolverine. I'm sure others have mentioned this is the comments but that's the reason for this. One is the regular old Wolverine and one is sans-Adamantium.

[@SolarDNA]

I think they should have gone all out aesthetically and atleast put bone claw Wolvie in his old maroon costume, had him unmasked, or something besides longer claws and a slight pallette swapped color to differentiate him from the other one.

[@PANTYEATR1]

Is there a story behind iron Zangief? Where it came from? Why was it necessary to be included? Etc... Thanks

[@DeWente69]

"Steel body", "Iron Body", Etc. He says it alot, so they gave him one. It was a secret character in MvSF. Been used ever since.

[@PANTYEATR1]

@@DeWente69 thanks for the reply. Who was saying iron body\steel body, Zangief? Do you think it was a replacement for Colossus?

[@DeWente69]

Zangief, in his quotes and his lore. Capcom just took some liberty and made an alternate version of their character. He was created in a game with "what if" and comedy type scenarios. Just something they made for crossover games. He has costumes for Mech Zangief in actual SF games, but Mech Gief as a character with his move set has not been used in a non crossover game. He has a Street Fighter Alpha 3 Win animation where he drinks liquor and blows fire. I don't know if that came up before or after MSHvSF. He was not a replacement for Colossus. There was no reason to include him or a replacement. He wasn't a popular enough character to make it into the VS series as fully playable. He didn't even make it into X Men vs SF. (He was in Zangief's ending. This is where the idea probably began. "Lets make Zangief metal too!"). He surely didn't make the cut for Marvel Super Heroes vs SF. And of course, in MvC2 they just used all the characters they already made up until that point. But his costume since they started making 3d models have been a reference to the other Metallic Russian Hero Colossus. www.arcadequartermaster.com/capcom/mvs_8.html streetfighter.fandom.com/wiki/Mech_Zangief

[@maize-paper9]

Iron Zangief also appears in Street Fighter X Tekken as a cameo as well. You can see him in the glass window hanging on for dear life, unfortunately he didn't make it😂

[@Jiterdomer]

No Shadow Charlie in MVC2 either

[@solidsnack352]

Instant sub man! The enthusiasm and excitement when discussing one of my favorite games. Appreciate the content. Looking forward to more.

[@mikaelamonsterland]

i think the reason they made wolverine's berserker charge make his combos pop out faster is because of how oppressively good he was with it in Marvel vs Capcom 1, i think it's safe to say they went a little overboard with nerfing him though compared to characters from X-Men vs Street Fighter like Magneto and Storm though

[@mattzr1550]

But they left strider and Ironman/war machine nearly untouched 🥴

[@mikaelamonsterland]

​@@mattzr1550strider at least has really low hp so he dies in just a few hits but yeah they didn't hit iron man and war machine nearly as much, i think it would've been more fun if they didn't nerf any of the old characters and just buffed all the crappier ones like my favs mega man and morrigan and then having all the new characters for this game be really op too like magneto storm and sentinel are

[@mazhiwezakizo3513]

I feel like a better distinction would be if they made adamantium Wolverine take less damage, but has a small passive heath regen, but make bone wolverine regen health faster, but do less damage (from claw attacks) and take a little more damage. Additionally, Bone Wolverine should able to move faster.

[@JasonGeorge-i8u]

Around the 2:30 mark, Wolverines claws change from bone to metal

[@rpproductions9189]

He switched characters to Adamantium Wolverine who has the same skin. He was demonstrating Beserker Slash with Adamantium Wolverine, you can even see Bone Claw Wolverine come in as an assist

[@sbentsen2714]

This is an awesome upload Thank you! I've wondered for years what the difference is between the two wolverines, why there are two etc. I honestly thought they were pretty much exactly the same

[@DXCZouk]

I thought that Magneto ripped the adamantium out of Wolverine in 1993 and Apocalypse gave it back in 1999, and MvC2 officially came out in early 2000's so they were just trying to be current. Fun fact: there was an early release of MvC2 at SHGL and Shuma was nerfed (for the eyes?) after Spider-Dan got a win streak with SG/Jug.

Speaking of Double Wolvie, if you watch DerekLearnSlow, you’ll be able to see how crazy Wolverine Wolverine Thanos is, it’s actually crazy how good the team is.

[@Sergio0hf]

Why are there 2 wolverines? Meanwhile in KoF '99: Kyo Kusanagi Kyo 1 Kyo 2 K' (Kyo Clone/Dna infusion) Kryzalid (another clone)

[@WRILLI4M]

From palette swaps to head swaps, nearly every 2D fighting game has clones. K' and Krizalid don't count because they're clones in-universe, but they have their own spritesheet and moveset.

[@HasegawaRayven]

YOURE Kyo(1), HES Kyo(2), IM KYO!?!(K') ARE THERE ANY OTHER KYO'S I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT?!?! KRYZALID: Meow.

[@evrolgordon7095]

I want to thank whoever made marvel versus Capcom collection OMG I really love it🎉 especially getting secret characters yesterday I played as cyber akuma

[@bludstone]

Marvel 2 came out right during the storyline in the xmen comics where wolverine gets his adamantium ripped from his body by magneto. I have the issue signed.

[@mab2788able]

Marvel 2 came out several years after that

[@supercereal1]

Great video! I actually had no idea both were in the game. Just a thing for next time. I think keeping them separate colors would be great since they’re so similar. Sometimes you’re talking about adamantium wolverine but he’s the same color palette as bome wolverine so it makes it confusing. Maybe having you use magneto as the dummy so there’s only 1 wolverine on there would be a little less confusing

[@werewolf74]

These is a kick combo to popup off wolverine dive. I can't remember how. Its more a muscle memory. The next kick pulls and grounds you, locking you to them for a popuo.

[@brandontyler9278]

No there isn't lol

[@Nova-zk5gn]

It's not that Marvel wanted both its that they wanted adamantium and the creator wanted bone (which I think it's pretty awesome considering there is never any shine on him)

[@min009]

Would had made sense if wolverine had some regen to offset his low HPs.

[@flavioaraninez6699]

Both wolverines can call assist after they bounce from the dive kick, if he conect the drill claw he recover his ability attack/guard 1 time or if he can wall jump. Also bonerine have: -His HP berseker barricade hace less starup while his counterpart can only combo his LP version. -if he finish his air combo with drill craw, he still can conect some normal moves before falling (not much actually cause the air combo finish effect but better that adamatium wolverine that can't actually move after that). -and probably his better stuff, weapon X actually can hit assist characters solo, and totally invencible during all the animation. I recomend Joe zaza or observedego for good wolverines matches

[@gordiev8692]

Shouldn't wolverine have one of the highest HP? Considering his mutant power.

[@alfredoramires7594]

Thank you very much for bringing this type of information. I love this game, I spent my childhood in the arcades and I love to see that this game is still alive. Thanks for this content.

[@paulwatts765]

both of their idle animations are needlessly worked up

[@GrAyMaER]

I know this was from 2 years ago but this video literally made my day. The match was insane specifically the dr doom vs omega red where you got hit by the laser super during omega strike 😂

[@Sharkmane25]

Awwww yeah the algorithm wins again

[@gandolphgandolphini]

Was this game published in the late 90s? In the books at the time, Magneto had ripped all the adamantium out of Wolverine's body and it caused him to go feral. He was stuck that way for a few years.

[@swisserty]

4:17 did u just toot right then?...

[@Eralen00]

I'm not much of a fighting game guy but i just absolutely love the sprite work in these old school 2d games. Newer games try to replicate it but its not the same, they just put a 2d cel-shaded pixel filter over a 3d model

[@Aaronthegreatest]

This video made me mad because after explaining the difference between the two wolverines, who already look very similar, you switched out the palette swapped boneclaw wolverine for *another* adamantium wolverine with the same palette, so I thought we were still looking at boneclaw vs adamantium wolverine when you were explaining the differences. Made absolutely no sense why you did that or at least didn’t point it out.

[@Bidenmytime]

Yeah thats dumb as hell

[@fsikkbnks]

I love your content man! Love learning lil secrets like this from older games.

[@carlosyagoriquelme12]

Man, the more I watch your videos, the more captivated I become by how good of a person you seem to be

[@swisserty]

he done does reqquire toot rip huh /?

[@realicalz]

Bruh, they could've just make BoneWolverine as a form of Wolverine and buffing him. Just like what they did on Dark Sakura and Mech Zangief. That one character slot is very important, they can add a much cooler and interesting MARVEL character.

[@seilaoquemvc2]

It’s completely crazy how much Capcom did a ridiculously bad job at balancing this game…. They got wolverine from mvc1 who wouldn’t be that great on 2 if they ported him directly and nerfed him to the ground…. Lol

[@waffles_ns]

if anyone didnt notice, the two wolverines also have the same Light Punch (default) color (of course they do) *AND* Light Kick (beige) colors. their other 4 colors (HP, HK, A1, A2) are unique compared to each other though

[@ByrneBaby]

I'm pretty versed in FG terms by now, so I don't pay attention to the absurdity of them anymore but... _Bonerine._ I can't ignore that one lmao I'm calling him Osteorine. I simply cannot bring myself to say Bonerine in a conversation.

[@DeWente69]

You can say Bone-reen instead of Bone A Reen. Make it sound French and fancy. "Good to you Monsieur Bone-reen!" Osteo reen...😹

[@lukethomas6900]

It made it awesome as I loved using both Wolvie’s on my team.

[@LordRaptor]

They split his tools between the two, Adamantium got the good supers and assists while Claw got the good damage and the extra combos (for example, he can attack after hitting drill claw for extra damage), but the best tool, the divekick, was nerfed in both versions, I hate that I can't cancel the divekick into a combo, it's bad enough that the game favors zoners because of the new assist system as well as the extra screen space, but on top of that and the nerfed tools, they also made Wolverine one of the most squishy characters in the game, RIP.

[@aegisreflector1239]

What do you mean by squishy?

[@LordRaptor]

Takes extra damage/dies quickly.

[@JudgedMentalMusic]

So you are saying the characters are different but I see you doing all the moves with the one chatacter

[@lokodout7514]

Why are there so many Goku!?

[@megamix5403]

Wrong game.

[@MentalLiberation]

My general understanding of the differences were that Bonerine was like XvsSF Wolverine with less health while the other was MVC Wolverine with standard health. It gave fans a choice to whatever Wolverine they preferred with some caveats. So, in turn, the game includes literally every version of Marvel character ever made in a Capcom fighting game. It's cool to see there's more to the differences. Thanks for the video.

[@alizshamoreno3578]

Ah yes boner-rine. The forgotten wolverine.

[@fortisch]

1:07 because the X-Men movie came out that year, which had Wolverine pretty much as the main Character.

[@Fishman465]

I feel Wolvie suffers from his past successes in MvsC2; I wonder if he even has his healing factor super in this or not. I have to wonder if a passive red life was considered at all. Metal claw was insisted due to being the iconic Wolverine, though 2d X-men/Marvel leans on the Cartoon's time (Though in Wolvie's case the blue/yellow is his usual "Hero" colors; later on he has a dark grayish "wetworks" look) But Bone taking more damage is rather justified (no nigh-indestructible metal in his body), though if it was lore accurate, he'd be springing from it rather fast.

[@BBHood217]

All those attempts you see in this video trying to combo into Berserker Barrage X would've worked in earlier Marvel games, but in MvC2 it got nerfed by getting a slight start-up time so it's now harder to combo into. There's still a way to easily combo into Berserker Barrage X in MvC2 however, and that's by using its team hyper combo version which retains the almost-no start-up time from the earlier games.

[@CowKirbo]

Tfw the character with an extremely strong healing factor is tied for the lowest health in the game

[@RAEN74]

haha i really can't comprehend why you demonstrated all this, and interchanged Bone and Adamantium with the same colours from which you started referencing?! haha why would you make this visually complicated? AND THEN hes fighting another Wolverine!?!? XD

[@inkredibill6352]

Just look at their claws. It's not that hard.

[@RAEN74]

@@inkredibill6352 but but....why wouldn't you just use Blue Wolverine for all Ada references. And then stick to brown wolverine for bone? It just......my brain!!!

[@jmcrofts]

because i just pressed the button without thinking

[@Setteri_]

@@jmcrofts 🗿

[@Sou1defiler]

Short answer that explains everything. Version one is Wolverine with adamantium laced claws pre Fatal Attractions. Second Wolverine is bone claw Wolverine set after Fatal Attractions.

[@jennyinutil2018]

The Wolverines' idle are one of the few times I'd say something is over-animated

[@aegisreflector1239]

Over animated? No such thing

[@Sukaiba69]

I think it only really shows on the bone claws, specially his frontal hand, they swing WAY too wildly and unevenly for how still his fist is

[@douglasriley7448]

They need to make another one like this with the same character's or more for the PS4!..I really love this game..I had it for the Dream Cast.

[@kimdokja1354]

It's my birthday today, could you greet me a happy birthday?

[@Buffington95]

happy birthday 🎂

[@solotanba3239]

Happy birthday

[@kimdokja1354]

Thank you guys!

[@solotanba3239]

You're welcome

[@jmcrofts]

Happy birthday!

[@WordzThePoet]

I’d make this a short as well, bc you explained enough in the first 60 seconds of your video to hit the algorithm even harder especially as the new Deadpool comes out

[@bazzjedimaster]

I always thought bone claw wolverine and adamantium wolverine were suppose to be MSH Wolverine and MVC1 Wolverine respectivelly kinda how in MVC1 orange Hulk is suppose to play like MSH Hulk without the armored normals.

[@INikeAir]

“Let’s go bub!” 🙌 Yooooo that Chun Li gameplay was sick!

[@MungkaeX]

I would figure Bone Claw Wolverine would be faster, but have greater knockback. Adamantium Wolverine would be slower, have less knockback, and any attacks using his claws do more damage. Getting into the nitty gritty of the characters Adamantium should be more durable, but his healing factor is reduced due to the Adamantium poisoning. Bone Claw heals better, but those bones are much easier to break. In practice unless he has some type of healing, they’d effectively balance out in practice.

[@andreworders7305]

1:12 i think he's saying Marvel mandated Adamantium Wolverine but they wanted to focus on Boneclaw, so they included both to make everybody happy

[@mayonnnnnaise]

I played this in high school and later in college with my group. you take bone wolverine so that you can do shenanigans. You don't pick either or, you do both so that people can't tell which wolverine is out, which one to hit, which one's healing, and to spam the same super to piss your friends off.

[@josephabrams8529]

The way Wolverine’s claws move independently of each other really weirds me out. It’s as if they’re dangling from his knuckles connected only by some glue.

[@AkinaSpeedStarsAE86]

143 represents the number of letters in each word of the phrase "I Love You" or I heart you, in this case heart is HP like in zelda.

[@DarthJF]

In comics Wolverine had had bone claws since 1993 Fatal Attractions storyline, but regained his adamantium skeleton in early 2000 shortly before MvC2 came out. So while MvC2 was in development Marvel would have known that the adamantium Wolverine was going to come back and likely requested it being in the game for that reason, as the bone Wolverine would have been outdated by the time the game was released.

[@Omegalizard2013]

2 Wolverines. I don't remember that in any of the X-men cartoons. But seriously great video Jmcrofts i love your content.

[@ActionJacksonForever]

As a casual I’ve always wanted to know the answer to this, thanks JM!

[@PhoenixASD96]

I wonder if this will be in the modern re-release of MVC2 that's coming later?

[@Ryusuta]

One minor correction: I believe Cyclops's Cyclone Kick assist also hits low (on the second hit). In normal play this isn't hugely noteworthy, but it does come into play on low-mid tournaments where his anti-air is banned.

[@CastleDior]

My take on this is the yellow clawed variation is just Wolverine when he had bones for claws, and the cleaner clawed variation is Wolverine with his adamantium claws.