Why are there no Ninja Martial Arts?

[@IronBodyMartialArts]

The bouncer analogy was a good one.

[@Dan.50]

Basically it's like trying to learn how to gunfight from a John Wayne movie.

[@SengokuStudies]

"Ninja" martial arts (in this case, specifically armed or unarmed hand to hand fighting) would fall into the same situation that I talked about in my video about Sengoku Period martial arts. Most samurai were not trained officially in set, established ryuha/schools. Most of them were trained much less formally by fathers, uncles, older brothers, cousins, other experienced warriors in their community, ect... based on what they had been taught, and their own experiences in combat.

[@jabnewmedia]

That was one of my favorite episodes. Thanks Sengoku Studies.

[@SengokuStudies]

@@jabnewmedia Thank you.

[@tactical_mind_]

Great explanation, Antony! Really enjoying your latest content.

[@reptomicus]

What adds to the confusion is Martial Arts back then had a wider meaning to include things that are not a fighting style.

[@millertalk4288]

Tactics Techniques and Procedures The TTPs used depends on the mission, and the environment. Different TTPs are developed for different things. An m4 rifle is still an m4 rifle, a 50cal is still a 50cal. Where you place things and how you move are different depending on the terrain and the enemy. New TTPs are developed for new environments or due to new weapons systems and also in response to enemy TTPs

[@gingercore69]

I guess the reason people think ninjas had a special martial art is because modern special forced and spies SOMETIMES had... Examples... The british SOE had its own version of the h2h training that included lots of improvised weaponry, stealth takedowns and quick kill methods that require your oponent to walk by your side or be looking to the other side...

[@AntonyPendlebury]

From having worked on the doors myself over years gone by, I like that analogy 👍🙇‍♂️

[@kimonowolf]

Very interesting topic. Everything you said makes perfect sense, but that joke will haunt my dreams....

[@db-jugg3r]

To be honest, i think people alwas will keep asking this questions is, that they just recently got in touch with the subject and didn't do any research. This might be similar to a fan of a band or actor meeting their idols for the first time and start asking questions. The band or actor might have been asked that questions a trillion times already, but the fan is just unaware of it.

[@CSD-KPOP]

I used to train in bujinkan ninjutsu until I found your Chanel, but do you have a preference on the best unarmed combat that samurai would have trained in.

[@AntonyCummins]

Swords, deffo swords, so I’m doing research now

[@1igonin]

Truth is: the best kids playing game of tag, hide and seek and the king rules would most probably be way better prepared for shinobi missions than most fighting trained adult men (any grown heavy strong dad realizes this when chasing their little kids).

[@Sw-sx7nw]

What did the plate say to the other one? Dinners on me.

[@AntonyCummins]

Using it

[@Sw-sx7nw]

@@AntonyCummins 🙏👍🏻

[@philipcrocker4835]

Perhaps the best that can be said about ninja martial arts is that ninja families over time would have developed their own little tips and tricks as you have outlined in this video

[@IronBodyMartialArts]

I guess this begs the question. Where there even ninja families.. probably not.. maybe.. I'm not sure.

[@thehappyvulcan]

Interesting that some schools developed special defense techniques against something that should never have existed.

[@ogarzabello]

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[@AntonyCummins]

Hahaha

[@cypher4783]

I find it a funny question. After all, the Samurai were the ones preoccupied with developing martial arts.

[@MongoPlant]

Offtopic Antony what do you think about films like Le Samourai by Jean-Pierre Melville and Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai by James Robert Jarmusch? Seems like these films have more shinobi vibes than a lot of ninja films. At some points at least...

[@AntonyCummins]

Ghost dog is amazing

[@MongoPlant]

@@AntonyCummins Nice to read! Thanks for the answer!

[@kiyruchan9535]

​@@AntonyCumminsI love ghost dog

[@christopherrasberry9629]

The raid is amazing

[@FellVoice]

If you haven't already covered it, you should address Taijutsu and how it became associated with being a ninja martial art and if it ever was. Thanks for the knowledge.

[@HarleyFirestorm]

That has been covered, and I do not have a problem with Taijutsu, in fact I am training in this and Jujutsu, the way I see it is this, if by Anthony's videos the Shinobi no mono were Samurai, the Samurai would have not primarily focused on hand to hand combat, but would have practiced some form of unarmed combat, so the Shinobi would have done the same, so in a weird twist when you practice or learn a martial art that the Samurai would have learned then you would also be learning something the Shinobi no mono would have also done. However there were other training that Samurai would not have learnt because they viewed it as being dishonorable or below them or even just not applicable to them, that the Shinobi no mono would have.

[@FellVoice]

@@HarleyFirestorm Can you link me Antony's Taijutsu videos, I looked and didn't find them.

[@HarleyFirestorm]

@@FellVoice I have watched a lot of his videos and it has come up a few times. Off the top of my head without going through them, then you have to ask Anthony. Its also been in the comments of some videos.

[@Ronin_Martial_Arts]

As I have stated above, Taijutsu, Yawara Te and Jujutsu are the same However, one must look at the level of training they went through based off today's military. The standard soldier is only taught the basics. The specialist are taught a hell of a lot more. This would have been no different back then. And this is also were modern martial arts tends to fall over. Especially with some Bujinkan zealots claiming it takes 30+ years to master. Errrrr no. You was on the battlefield ASAP, they did not have the time or resources to train you for that long. If you lived. Good. Get ready for the next battle. You might have been promoted. If you died or was maimed, you died regardless.

[@HarleyFirestorm]

@@Ronin_Martial_Arts 30+ years to master, That's a massive unbelievable stretch, European knights took no more than 14 year from the age of 7 before they could effectively become a knight from starting as a page at the age of 7.

[@xingyimaster1987]

Sorry my apologies if you have answered this before. Whats your actual thoughts on bujinkan as a martial art, irrespective of its authenticity as a ninja martial art . I used to think it was bullshido but then met some capable practitioners. However they seem to be the exception . I think it is a good martial art by itself if trained well like any jujutsu style for years and years . However of course in this day and age probably better to kearn a combat sport if u wanted quick self defence skills

[@AntonyCummins]

I did a video on this called does Bujinkan work

[@xingyimaster1987]

@@AntonyCummins thanks will check it out

[@tgold8422]

So can it be specifically said that there are any remaining general hand to hand unarmed martial arts that were used? Or is it just a guess at something similar to some samurai jujutsu? In other words, is it known if any common martial art lineages remain in practice? (Even though it would be basically just referred to as “samurai jujutsu” )

[@AntonyCummins]

Just swords jujutsu etc.

[@samuraibyrd]

So,what you’re saying is all my Wickjitsu training is useless,LOL

[@searcher7478]

What did the fish say when it ran into the concrete wall?? ...Damn!

[@AntonyCummins]

Using

[@alaincondello6652]

When i was children ..we did game " To cowboy and indian " not ninja but the indians are big master in "ninjutsu" ..

[@scandisamurai8899]

Your Book of Ninja audiobook gets Top Marks! 🐉🇯🇵☸️⛩️

[@alaincondello6652]

The best weapon " ninja" the walther PPK..😊

[@rijun14]

I came across a .pdf of your Ninja Skills book online. How can I send the link to the pdf to you? I’m sure you’ll want to contact the website admin and have it and your other books removed

[@AntonyCummins]

Do not worry they crop up all the time. Just help support me with a physical copy and a review

[@cristian.crixus]

Shoshike KAWAKAMI Jinichi says in 2013 (TED-X BERMUDAH): "Martial arts (BUJUTSU) do not define the Shinobi no Jutsu. Shinobi no Jutsu was created to create harmony"...

[@drifter-donosadventureobsc9565]

I usually trust your judgement, but something about having nothing just doesn't make sense to me. I would wager they likely stole or adapted various koryu from neighboring territories. Even modern militaries have basic training like MCMAP. Something tells me "just run" isn't always going to cut it.

[@AntonyCummins]

As I said they already listed those skills and I mention them in them last few vides. You need to put all together

[@Doggieworld3Show]

Do modern military train in a specific art? Never thought of it. The physical and defensive conditioning seems most important, and the weaponry . Maybe the “ninja art” is just exclusive

[@johnmassey2309]

You know they keep bringing up this subject to mess with you because you don't get as animated/agitated about any other subject. The Massey boys have their jutsu called cricketbat ryu or was it tireiron ryu something like that. Many generations of back alley gutter fighting.

[@TheMindofRobert]

Thank you for making this, Antony. Now, hear me out. Lol In this you made a comment about a "Bouncer Martial Art" because he has his back against the wall. And I. Sorry, but my mind immediately thought about MMA coaches who teach whole classes, give seminar lessons and make instructional videos on fighting w/ your back against the cage wall. Lol And I know there have been Bouncers who make videos and write books about how to be a effective Bouncer. Sure, maybe the Bouncer doesn’t call what he does a "martial art" BUT they will call it their "system" or their "technique" for ending the fight. This is kinda reminding me of the distinctions some people make between "Martial arts" and "self-defense" and "Combatives". And by the by, Parkour is even being taught and used in "Self-defense" classes. And that’s totally about running away and escaping. Lol Anyway, so, it kinda sounds like physical confrontation techniques, specific to the ninja, do exist. But because you’ve only found a handful, you’re not comfortable calling it a fighting system or style or Bujutsu or whatever. Lol (By the by, I have a big background in fighting styles like Krav Maga and Combatives, so when I hear you say stuff like the Ninja would’ve injured someone enough to getaway (I.e. stab, slash and run), well, to my ears it sounds like what is taught in self-defense and combatives classes. Lol

[@AntonyCummins]

Yes but they would never say the entire system was dedicated to bouncers, only used by bouncers, we would then all dress up as bouncers and follow a bouncer religion. That’s where it falls down. Bouncers like ninja write down some tips to help them in certain situations

[@TheMindofRobert]

@@AntonyCummins More and more I’m feeling inclined to say "Ninjutsu is more than a martial art" instead of "Ninjutsu is not a martial art".

[@dwl3006]

Jason Bourne is way more realistic than John Wick.

[@black_eagle]

But still not particularly realistic.

[@-RONNIE]

Hopefully people will now know the correct information from watching this video and others like it as well as the channels you collaborate with.

[@Vergil402]

So, is parkour the true historical ninjutsu way of "fighting" your way out? I'm joking. But regardless -- kendo, jojutsu, unbreakable umbrellas, Japanese jujutsu, kenjutsu, judo, and Kyokushin karate are probably your best bets for regular martial arts in general. If you're unsure, just go for jojutsu and Kyokushin. Take kendo if you can't find a jojutsu, kenjutsu, or Historical European Martial Arts school. Keep in mind: the BJJ grappling stuff is dangerous and unhygienic. You'll also be at risk for cauliflower ears and ringworm. Train in MMA if you really want to, but a proficient Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship fighter (or any boxer) will be able to knock you out -- even if you grapple him.

[@randallpetroelje3913]

A panda walks int a bar. Walks up to the bartender and says” let me see a menu please “. So the bartender does and waits. The panda bear orders everything and has served several rounds of whiskey, gin and tonics, beers. Eats everything and drinks everything and says “thanks “, burps loudly. He pulls out his.45 and shoots his bartender and waiter. He promptly eats, shoots and leaves. Hahahaha!!! Shinobi 🥷 panda !🤣😂🙏

[@AntonyCummins]

I will use

[@jimoriley357]

So are you saying there were no ninja families or clans? If there were and they used ninja skills would they not train in them or pass them down....even if they used a particular jujutsu style or tradition wouldnt they pass that down in secret along with other skills? In other words whatever school of martial art they used would then be considered their"ninja" martial art? Even if it wasnt labeled as such.

[@AntonyCummins]

I made a video to answer you I hope you enjoy

[@jabnewmedia]

Its embarrassing how icon-driven society is. This is inherently the problem with conveying historical accuracy against fantasy. The word shinobi should be replaced with an older term like suppa, iga-no-mono or rappa....anything but connotation. People need therapy and education i swear.

[@IronBodyMartialArts]

Theres a question for you Anthony.. Someone mentioned ninja families in their comment.. Did such a thing exist.. or is that rubbish too. I mean. Yiu dont really get SAS families... For the main part.. So is this a foolish notion..

[@AntonyCummins]

You get samurai clans who specialise in ninjutsu

[@IronBodyMartialArts]

@@AntonyCummins excellent thanks..

[@adandyguyinspace5783]

Then that contradicts To-Shin Do, Bujinkan, Genbukan etc. Why can't it just be accepted that those arts are what ninjas used? Then it could be technically called Ninjutsu since the ninja used it. I don't know dude, Stephen K Hayes and other people who are as knowledgeable (or more) in Japanese history as you say otherwise.

[@AntonyCummins]

They really are not knowledgeable. History tells the real story.

[@adandyguyinspace5783]

@@AntonyCummins You’re a scholarly (maybe) researcher, you should know better than to just insult others like that. You could at least explain why and/or talk with Stephen Hayes himself. I mean I trust the dude with a Japanese wife who was born and raised there a majority of her like but that’s just me

[@ashjitsu]

My take on it is....all ninja were X-samurai 🙄

[@petesakes1985]

Alot of ninja were samurai of course they new martial arts

[@lukeallen4398]

Im of the opinion that if you want similar martial arts techniques to what the ninja would have used you want Japanese jujitsu, kobudo and Kenjutsu. Then you want to mix that with gypsie pickpocketing skills and strive perfection...😂😂😂

[@Greyman141-o6j]

Or just do ninjutsu

[@johnheitoumorrell1249]

What kind of meat does a priest eat for breakfast? Nun

[@scorpzgca]

So Taijutsu is not a ninja martial arts ? a Ninja told me to learn Jujitsu ? so what is Kenjutsu ?

[@Ronin_Martial_Arts]

Taijutsu, Yawara Te and Jujutsu are all the same. Kenjutsu is swordmanship.

[@black_eagle]

You just have to get across to people that ninjas were spies and commandos and it should be obvious. Does the SAS or the CIA have their own hand-to-hand martial arts systems? Not that I know of. Why would they? Why wouldn't they just take skills and techniques from wherever they find them? Fixed, formalized fighting systems are more for sports, performance arts and traditional culture, not the real world of life and death missions. Seems like common sense to me.

[@samiibrahim5356]

The CIA trains in Sinanju I thought that was leaked and became common knowledge in 1985

[@black_eagle]

@@samiibrahim5356 Yeah right, common knowledge in the "Destroyer" novels....

[@JoshuaAlexander-lk7ky]

I have proof to what you’re saying.

[@Iganomono666]

Antony fake Ninja history aside do you think the Bujinkan system is a valuable martial Art to train in? Would you still train in it if it wasn't related to the Ninja?

[@AntonyCummins]

I made a video all about this. About does the Bujinkan work

[@ericamack6738]

So just focusing in on medieval era is how you are able to claim something that has changed and you double standard by saying Chris Jacobson is a ninja instructor... You have a huge gap of information you're purposely leaving out about the Japanese soldiers that lived in the jungle unaware that the war had ended and the style of martial art used to survive. But I'm sure you've covered it in your earlier works right!?!

[@AntonyCummins]

Yes I covered this. There was a change over to western warfare.

[@alaincondello6652]

In FRANCE... the lord command " assassination .. stealing ..etc ..at the criminal or gypsy.. not glorius .. i m 15 eme dan in gypsy ryu..serious ???😂😂😂

[@jamescollins9811]

Has anyone ever considered that ninja or shinobi might have been reject candidates for samurai or disgraced samurai? Maybe they weren’t of high enough status or not sufficiently athletic/too injured for combat. Couldn’t the ninja martial arts be the same as the samurai only a specialized shortened form, kind of like Japanese Jiu Jitsu vs Brazilian? They wouldn’t need archery, just close quarter combat weapons, poisons, and quick take downs. They did the dirty work right? So why teach them all the samurai martial arts and not just the dirty stuff…again teach them take down opponents quickly like dirty boxing or 52 blocks vs regular boxing.

[@AntonyCummins]

No that’s not possible we have too much info saying they are samurai

[@jamescollins9811]

@@AntonyCummins Keep in mind I’m not saying there’s one specific art especially if records of Iga and many of the of “ninja” provinces were wiped out. But the martial arts of the samurai would’ve been their training base right? Mission specific assassination arts, then would have to be derived or invented from baseline training with some arts being discarded, correct? Samurai would not pass down assassination techniques scrolls I would assume as it would clash with their public image, so would not the logical conclusion be that a subset samurai skills have to be developed to function here?

[@cristian.crixus]

@@jamescollins9811 Samurai o a better word from them BUSHI (militar) use all the DIRTY tricks them needed for his goals....

[@SonOfVenus92494]

Why are there no ninja martial arts? That's because the Shinobi were simply using the same arts & skillsets as samurai - but for guerilla tactics instead. Just like every military has conventional troops, there's always a "black ops" variation of that. 🥷

[@jamestait8676]

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