Why Banning TikTok Goes Way Beyond Social Media | Corridor Cast EP

[@GreenJay]

I really enjoyed how positive and chill this whole conversation was, along with making sure to change your perspective every once in a while to make sure you grow. Making sure I also stay away from the algorithmic side of these platforms has been a great way for me to enjoy the content that I follow without mindlessly scrolling for hours at a time. These things are tools, just make sure you use them in constructive ways.

[@Chronx6]

I always feel sorry for Jake, because I know people slam on him for being a conservative of some flavor. I don't agree with him on a lot of things, but hes consistent and has thought out his position. People fall into tribal thought though and see conservative and immediately lump him in with the people who don't think through their stances on that side (which a lot of conservatives do to liberals as well to be clear).

[@l_..l.l.__l..l8833]

He's consistent which leads him to ignore valid arguments which is annoying, but he's not always incorrect

[@penleigh]

Totally! He's law school trained. He knows how to articulate the arguments on either side without giving away his personal leaning. I think of him more like the mediator of the group rather than the "conservative." Keeps these pods from being one-sided pilings-on.

[@bobbirdsong6825]

i don't think he's particularly conservative, maybe more sympathetic to conservatives than most, but his takes generally give me the flavor of constitution-revering california liberal

[@RockwellTea]

As a tip for keeping the Greenscreen clean: In our filmschool we had carpet/plastic floor on top of the greenscreen floor and only removed it when we filmed.

[@angeloah]

You guys are right where we should be. Open yet contemplative, I’m 43 and have lived enough to know we have to understand and be kind no matter what you think, you could be wrong. Also that freedom isn’t free, it costs vigilance and conscious effort. This was a rad convo and podcast. We should all be able to have civil disagreement and move on without retribution.

[@Matkatamiba]

It's kinda funny hearing Jordan talk about brains going to mush while in the same sentence saying "exame sact"

[@prettymurch426]

😂😂

[@DarthJarJar_542]

😂

[@DanboReviews]

41:22 Wren! Stop! I can't focus lol

[@rubblereport]

02:44 The Jordans both say 'well' at exactly the same time for exactly the same length of time in exactly the same way

[@nyaaanjake]

Dean’s corporate impression at 57:12 was ~uncanny~

[@DanboReviews]

I don't use the algorithmic view on most apps anymore. For example, on Twitter, if there aren't more tweets from people I follow, I leave. The same goes for KZbin - if there are no new videos in my sub box, I go somewhere else. However, I sometimes find myself checking the same few websites repeatedly in a short amount of time.

[@GoldenCoastGTA]

That's a little silly and obtuse. I've never been served so much relevant new things than on Tiktok, followed by KZbin, and surprisingly after many right wing waves attempts by the little dictator, Twitter too (which, I don't know how it holds with that skeleton crew, but I've been served many new game dev stuff for example). Tiktok specifically always enriches my interests with new creators. Just discovered a british documentary creator, very humorous and informative. Y'all are sleeping on those algos. Always use the tools they give, e.g. "not interested" and liking stuff.

[@IGqy]

The difficult thing about big scale in general (industrialization with big corporations, big cities, globalization etc), it is difficult to care about that many people or situations that far away etc. It is also a principal in economics with the free loader problem. When you have a smaller community, you know the people around you, their needs, work, pains etc and so you put your part into your smaller community as everybody else because, if it is small enough, it is clear when someone is free loading and it will be outed quickly. Regulation can be good and bad. The important thing is how it is implemented.

[@arnauds2222]

21:48 I mostly agree with you Jake, but I think you're mistaken to speak of a "nation" when it comes to China. A nation designates the people, and as we all know the people have close to no say in what the Chinese government decides. They're not doing it to preserve their culture, they're doing it to prevent external influence and control information. That's why banning TikTok is a problem in a democracy. On the one hand, we shouldn't try to control information, but on the other hand the Chinese government is clearly taking advantage of this to manipulate information.

[@grumblefiend]

41:00 the culprit from the beginning shows up

[@ActingUnit0.8]

I'm a state employee in Texas. They banned tiktok on state issued mobile devices (no one has those rly). They're totally pushing the "data security" angle. We expect them to ban it on personal devices next, if you use work apps (outlook, excel, duo) or connect to their wifi (probably)

[@RandyLutcavich]

Can't wait for the ChatGPT 4.0 pod

[@TaylorMade4Zero]

This was a nice episode.

[@liontuga155]

After this episode, Jake is my new Marvel _and_ DC super-hero.

[@Matt.Walker]

if wren is not working on shock collars right now i will be disappointed lol

[@mahelaniarektbb]

41:45 Lol Wren...dammit they're adulting

[@NEOREV_MUSIC]

I had TikTok for like a week or two, and was like, "sorry, nah, I'm not participating in this nonsense" and deleted it from my devices. Something about it just felt icky and like I was losing brain cells the more I was on it. As for attention, I've gone the opposite direction and cherish longer content.

[@goosewithagibus]

Same here. Give me a 15 hour Lolita analysis or a 40 hour Elder Scrolls analysis any day.

[@esaedvik]

The more I see people use it and the shorter things get, the worse off everyone is. I get that quick "hehe's" are nice, but I can't be bothered with watching anything shorter than 15 mins myself (music videos being the exception), which is why I hate how YT keeps changing how you add videos to watch later on the front page. They keep shuffling between three different methods every few weeks. No idea what that is about. 1-4 hour long video podcasts and Warhammer 40k lore videos for me, thanks.

[@adventuresinAI1982]

I'm an elder millennial, but I've managed to avoid a lot of social media. I AM on reddit and discord. I technically have a facebook account just for my parents and sisters which I don't look at (I use messenger), before that i had Myspace for a minute but that seems like a blink of the eye. Never used twitter, never used Instagram, I've never seen tiktok. Basically youtube and reddit are where I spend any substantial time, and that's enough.

[@morfy2581]

Me working modeling on the side while listening to this, kinda feeling called out by Jordan

[@wanttodor_mir]

32:00 the government is not a corporation. The government is the people. It‘s intrinsically the oposite of a corporation which is usually the representation of the stakes of an infimous amount of persons.

[@JoshJamesification]

A government is the system or group of people governing an organized community. A corporation is an organization-usually a group of people or a company-authorized by the state to act as a single entity. Democracy is by definition corporate governance

[@wanttodor_mir]

​@@JoshJamesification No, you are simply spreading a fallacy that perpetuates the false dream of neo-liberalism. A democratic government is a representation of the people. It doesn't claim the power unilaterally, but is elected by the majority and also changed by the people if it doesn't meet their expectations (as opposed to a corporation). The government is the tool that lets you control corporations and make sure they respect the rules of the game, which otherwise no average Joe would have the power for on his own. Therefore the government is the people.

[@polishedpebble4111]

53:00 Before it's ban, the #1 most viewed (subscribed?) news channel on youtube was RussiaToday. Anything alternative is silenced.

[@VoldakHorasimov]

Do y’all put Jake on the Jake-bot for podcasts?

[@bobbirdsong6825]

I definitely agree with jake on the point that a major aspect is how we as consumers make decisions, but I think he's missing something. Our brains are physically wired to do what is easier or brings less discomfort, but we also have a consciousness and can act against our instincts. However, I don't think it's at all possible to really make conscious decisions (exercise "free will" if you want) if you are not aware at how much you can't control. It's like how obesity is technically a factor of your personal choices, but is more practically a consequence of your environment encouraging a sedentary life and/or consumption of unhealthy food. People raised with smart phones can't not use them until they realize they can't make the decision not to use them. So, when we legislate these things, I think it's important to recognize our control over corporation's actions (they will be tyrants if we allow them) is directly linked to our control over our decisions as consumers.

[@akaiPi.3.14]

Tik Tok came out in 2016(worldwide), guys not 2020. I downloaded it back then because it popped up when I was looking for iPhone video editors. Then deleted it right away cause it wasn't a long form editor.

[@DudeLookItsKyle]

How do you get on the Weefee? Jordan A is great.

[@NEOREV_MUSIC]

Install a green screen colored rail on the side by the entrance door.

[@VanilleKoekie]

Wren would try to grind it

[@NEOREV_MUSIC]

@@VanilleKoekie could make some sick VFX shots with that

[@InsomaniacFiles]

Hi Wren at 41:30 XD

[@DrErnst]

Jordan and Jordan need to become a couple that would be so funny and confusing, given their name?! 😂 Also they are both great actors with alot of emotions range I think they would be able to handle one another!

[@Wedge-Antilles]

Wish they would do the big bear house team building. guess the boys have fallen apart. lose one friend, lose all friends, lose yourself.

[@It_Is_I_I]

I almost entirely agree with what they are saying this episode

[@Maikigai]

Banning Tik-Tok is one thing for the data mining or whatever, but YT allows TT videos anyways which is just as much of a dopamine spike as having the app which imo is just as bad.

[@mattcatch1805]

One is owned completely by China.. that's the danger

[@VMYeahVN]

Yeah that's my problem with the TikTok ban, is that it has nothing to actually do with TikTok. Every single American owned/backed social media does exactly the same things TikTok does. The only issue to the government is TikTok's parent company is Chinese and thus aren't entirely under U.S. control. That's all this is. If it was actually about data security/privacy. They would be trying to pass data privacy regulation laws that protect users. Not banning individual apps/sites.

[@Forjugadname]

You know your country is screwed up when you trust corporations more than you do the officials that you elect into government.

[@DrErnst]

is a civilian in an ultimate free country a dictator don't understand Jakes imagary around 24:00?😅

[@TK_Brainslug]

Honestly shouldn't the 2 senators rule for every state be abolished for where are the people living and they should get rid of the electoral college. The swing states are more important than the others which is not right.

[@Winsorvy]

Man the energy between the Jordan’s are insane. You can tell how much Jordan A. (Resting b face) Really dislikes Jordan (funny annoying guy). Like the tense nature between them was distracting from the overall message and story. Not to mention she makes fun of his skin almost at random, like honestly why are you putting your coworkers down? He’s literally making a point and you just slam him? Maybe it’s all good fun but this was a hour long open discussion and it doesn’t feel like it’s all in good fun. Idk maybe I’m misreading the situation.

[@goosewithagibus]

What part of the pod was that?

[@mbletz3958]

Hey Jake. If you need more sources on how social media apps work and operate, you can check out a series Smarter Every Day did a couple of years back. Destin was actually invited to a bunch of the companies to be able to interview them himself

[@DarthJarJar_542]

Wren in the background at 40 mins in

[@Silvergum]

I can see why people could think that Jake is siding with the (neo-liberal capitalist) types, but it seems to me that he is only attempting to expand the context and continue the conversation, reality is kinda complicated and kinda messy I think he has expressed his distaste for corruption

[@sithmaster]

Green carpet anyone? Or some cheap carpet and tuck/glue green screen cloth on it. It might be easier to clean on the long run.

[@theownmages]

i want to delete youtube off my phone because shorts are too addictive

[@insydian]

Do it! If you use a browser you can control shorts

[@Matey-qe8jg]

The American attitude to freedom of speech is absolutely wild. Like you act as if not being able to do ANYTHING you want is against freedom. In that case why have any laws at all? Just live in a Mad Max apocalyptic landscape. It's crazy

[@FaridTaba]

Confession: My favourite episodes almost ALWAYS have Jake in them. (But I love you all!)

[@seekyunbounded9273]

I am eurpien, Regarding the does TikTok plug into internet question my understanding is he needs to ask these obvious things to lay ground work for the record the real question he wanted to get to is if the app access information about devices on the network that it doesn't need, I also want to point out that the person with eye patch had good takes about chines governments involvement, if you think it's just xenophobia you don't understand the governments. Ten years back you could say it was on the way to open itself to world but with gradual xijinping rise it resends back to old ways more a kin malzadon, look at the differences between west facing media and china facing media, you will need somebody to translate it for you of courses, o only know about Twitter account called the great translation movement, you also have the cina show podcast and china fact checkers made by two folk who lived in china for about ten years and married to chines woman

[@seekyunbounded9273]

Writing this on phone during work lol , I suck at phone typing spory have to go

[@jonathanrynjah]

TikTok was banned since day one here. 😅

[@noahhunter06]

you in India or the future?

[@jonathanrynjah]

@@noahhunter06 India

[@Wedge-Antilles]

social media is dying with the economy

[@itsmattmogg]

not to be that guy but tik tok started a while before quarantine

[@Typonhartman]

Soo.. The ai influencer is gonna.. Come back in full? Using chatgtp to generate video prompts that get entered and then videos created via ai using ai by ai.

[@prettymurch426]

Jake, they’re headquartered in the U.S, Culver City, they’re not in China anymore. TikTok also dropped in 2016 , Im not sure how you guys missed that. Also, Jordan C. just didn’t watch the hearing because that bit about the ceo not allowing his kids to use Tiktok is grossly misrepresented.

[@ac.creations]

I made a new KZbin account and seeded it with a Playlist of the content that I like. This made my experience much better. I also hit "not interested" on everything political and news oriented that does make it to my feed. I will not be manipulated.

[@Typonhartman]

I have spent years being careful in my KZbin to get the good algorithms!

[@esaedvik]

One thing that really does make my head spin: who on earth installs TikTok on a government work phone, or ANY work device?! Like whyyy?

[@advikshan]

No guitar intro. 😢

[@scoobertmcruppert2915]

The Tik Tok banning comes at the request of Meta, Twitter, KZbin, etc…removing competition.

[@mf--]

Probably but the CCP connection is undeniable.

[@arcturionblade1077]

Both things can be true. Everyone is looking after their own self interest.

[@prettymurch426]

True, and it seems like the crew is okay with their data being stolen, so it doesn’t matter if TikTok gets banned. Jordan C. went on that whole rant about mental health etc., but TikTok isn’t the culprit for that. It’s that parents are raising their kids with iPads and social media and aren’t available for their kids anymore. So removing TikTok isn’t going to fix anything really, all the other big media apps are just going to take over the empty space. Insta will just become a shittier version of Tiktok and so on.

[@scoobertmcruppert2915]

@@prettymurch426 The apps are designed to break your brain and the marketing and society is designed to push parents to letting the iPad raise their kids. These tech monopolies need to be broken to pieces and regulated.

[@scoobertmcruppert2915]

@@arcturionblade1077 The CCP connection is no different than the US connection fro Facebook and the rest.

[@Frostwho]

Jack, I love you but America is not the great country you claimed to be.

[@Burritoast]

2:56 that was Einstein's personal definition of insanity...

[@noiamhippyman]

"It's a good algorithm besides the fart stuff." -Jordan Allen 2023 The most beautiful quote in the world.