Why Bike Mechanics HATE You For Waxing Your Chain...

[@kevinlewis390]

So if I am hearing correctly, the benefits of waxing a chain (significantly less wear, a more efficient, faster, drivetrain, and a cleaner drivetrain) are all erased by the fact that someone might sue Nick. Because Campag? And this after he admitted that he sells Connex chains with unlimited quick-link re-use? So what about those people then, who buy a Connex chain, Nick? The argument put forth is lazy at best and no real alternatives were offered. Either this was done to drive views and comments (yep, you got me) or Nick doesn't have the faintest idea of what he is talking about.

[@zomgsekk]

That's not a lazy answer, he's just looking out for his business. If he recommends this, let's say there's an accident that can be traced back to that link.. It might be the home mechanic installing it wrong, but it's not clear and yadi yada - Shimano, SRAM or Campag take their hands off it. Guess who's liable then? Right, the mechanic that recommended it knowing the chain manufacturer sent out a notice. He's literally just saying, "Hey, if it works for you, go ahead, but I can't take any liability if something goes horribly wrong"

[@kevinlewis390]

@@zomgsekk So then he does not recommend bicycles, right? Because by your logic: If he did, let's say there's an accident that can be traced back to that link. I t may may be the rider decided ride at traffic, but it's not clear and... manufacturer would take their hands off of it. You can make this argument for literally anything (you know, like derailleur hanger alignment tools). In other words rather than taking the time to consider it and formulating a researched answer to the question I could simply "no cause I might get sued". This is, by definition, lazy.

[@papalegba6796]

There are no mechanical benefits to waxing. If there were, industrial applications would use wax lubricants. But they don't, ever 🤔😂

[@discbrakefan]

@@papalegba6796 Oh wow the NPC really has no life, replying to old comments with absolute rubbish because it’s butt-hurt about something

[@papalegba6796]

@@discbrakefan tell me one industrial chain lubrication method that uses wax, Adam. Just one. You can't, can you? 😂

[@stephendenagy3396]

Nick is demonstrating smug Ignorance. There is so much data on the utility of MODERN waxes and drivetrain extension in REAL WORLD CONDITIONS. The comments are DISAPPOINTINGLY uninformed. As far as Quicklinks, it is hard to see the problem. If they link, and are secure, what is the problem? I get a shop might not recommend. But…when they have messed with my chain, I know the SHOP reused the Quicklink as I was not charged a new one. So, I reuse. And I carry spare quicklinks as well as a breaker tool if the links become unusable. If you are waxing you are probably already more adept than the usual rider.

[@Caffeinatedtechnerd]

Spot on! He strikes me as a guy that forms an opinion and sticks to it regardless of any new information. I like Nick but I sure as hell won’t be taking much advice from him 😅

[@lloydjarm]

Yeah, totally opinionated. I wouldn't like him as a mechanic. I bet he was/is against disc brakes.

[@discbrakefan]

Yeah it’s kind of scary a bike mechanic is so ignorant on chain lubrication. The cynic in me thinks he doesn’t want people waxing chains because he’ll sell less chains & cassettes.

[@papalegba6796]

There is no scientific data on the subject whatsoever 😂

[@discbrakefan]

@@papalegba6796 Yes there is mate.

[@CaptainLou19]

Why did you delete zero friction cycling’s first comment?

[@papalegba6796]

He didnt, Adam. How many accounts do you have? 😂

[@Leo-gt1bx]

@@CaptainLou19 Nick was offended

[@zerofrictioncycling992]

so i put an informative comment up yesterday - checking for replies today - its gone? was it removed? why?

[@zerofrictioncycling992]

@@daveanolik8837 I sell whichever products, wax, wax drip and wet - that test as genuinely top products. So my bias is rather clearly towards what performs, and a huge amount of resources goes into determining that. So no, it is rather unlikely they should delete a balanced comment helping provide information on immersive waxing just because one of the products i sell out of a stellar line up of products overall including numerous drip lubricants is a silca hm wax. That would be rather weird yes? And honestly you dont know anything re what ZFC actually does if you believe we are biased. Everything i sell, everything i recommend, is led by the worlds most exhaustive independent testing. If you check out the testing, the leaderboard, and the products stocked and recommended, you would understand. Cade media shld be well above having any counter information presented from the leading independent test facility and just deleting it methinks.

[@stephencharles6932]

Cheap stunt by this site, really disappointing as have enjoyed their content for some time now. Looking ahead, red flag to their output.

[@gilleek2]

​@@stephencharles6932 why? The guy tests the hell out of lubes to see what's best and then sells the best stuff. Wouldn't someone have more incentive to tell consumers to just use whatever lube they can find and then change their chain and cassette when it wears down (and buy it from their shop).

[@stephencharles6932]

erm, no, not at all! Why would a retailer want to do that? I want help, advice, research, expertise and guidance to help me make the best choices right away. Doh! * and deleting polite comments from the actual subject of their edition is extremely poor judgement so shows a bias and hidden agenda.@@gilleek2

[@dawn_rider]

Adam , before you post any comments on YT, copy and save the text to a file local to your computer or use a clipboard manager. That way it saves you some re-typing should YT or a channel owner decide they don't like it. Do you see many Cade Media replies to the storm of comments on here ... NO . Why do Cade Media even enable comments when none or very few get replied to ?

[@colokurt1]

This video is brought to you by Big Quick Link.

[@dandan1364]

Hahahaa. Perfect!

[@IvanMalechko]

I never take my bikes to a ‘professional’ bike mechanic. Thanks, Nick, for confirming my right choice.

[@doughorner5730]

I've seen Nick change his mind before and I'm confident that a few years down the line he will become a convert. I'm also a professional bike mechanic and until something better comes along there's no way oil will ever touch my drivetrain again.

[@dbk81]

Definitely a man who is very stuck in his ways.

[@DanTuber]

💯

[@johnkasza2315]

how many years until hes up to speed?

[@Caffeinatedtechnerd]

Nick is delusional on this one.

[@difflocktwo]

how often do you need to wax a chain for an all season commuter bike?

[@thecoffeeblog]

Wax gunk is better than dirt/oil gunk. It is cleaner and it doesn't wear out your chain. I deep waxed my chain only once and liquid wax drops solution as weekly light maintenance and my chain is 15000Km and still like new. I will never go back to oil.

[@Ropetable]

if the wax gunk gets into your bearings, that might not be a downside either haha

[@grahamaustin9085]

Why would it?

[@WildBikerBill]

My brother and I rented a pair of bikes in Moab, Utah, USA for riding around in Canyonlands National Park way back in the early 1990's. I still remember the bike shop telling us, if they found any trace of oil based lubricant on the chains, there would be a very stiff cleaning and rewaxing charge showing up on our credit cards. As we were renting the bikes for only a couple/few days, their preference was that we do nothing regarding lubrication.

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

​@@WildBikerBillthat didn't happen 😂

[@WildBikerBill]

@@JoeyMills-y3v You may wish that didn't happen, but your wishes aren't Reality.

[@RichardMigneron]

No problem, using a Wipperman Connex RE-USABLE quick link on a KMC 11 speed chain.

[@robertmcfadyen9156]

Make sure that the Connex Wippermann quick link (when above the chainstay) , has the bottom of the "V" facing down when looking at the bicycle from the drive side .

[@robertmcfadyen9156]

Only six uses for Connex link up to eleven speed .

[@robertmcfadyen9156]

The Connex link would be satisfactory but not great . The KMC one would be preferable . The Connex one has slightly different dimensions to KMC .

[@Leo-gt1bx]

Nonsense I have been waxing for over a decade I rewax twice a month reusing the same links with no problems.

[@kalani707]

The vast majority of chain-waxing deniers I see on social media don’t pay full-fare for replacement drivetrain components. For me, I’ll take the clean, dry chain and 3x the chain/chainset/cassette lifespan, thank you very much!

[@phoffen3829]

Nobody is a "denier". Some think it looks like a pain in the bum, and don't feel like learning a new skill. That's me.

[@discbrakefan]

@@phoffen3829It’s easy and has so many benefits. Just do it.

[@papalegba6796]

@@phoffen3829 chain waxing is either a cult, or there are a lot of marketing accounts promoting it, because that "denier" comment is truly insane 😂

[@makantahi3731]

the durability of a well-maintained chain should be at least 6x, it's hard to say about the teeth because I reshape them as soon as the chain starts skipping, but certainly at least 3x longer

[@Leo-gt1bx]

​@@phoffen3829They do not see the bigger picture.

[@Fleckinger]

This all speech is not about wax. Users also reuse quick link for many other reasons.

[@papalegba6796]

Ok chatbot 😂

[@shellderp]

@@papalegba6796 ok npc

[@papalegba6796]

@@shellderp ok Adam 😂

[@BarePotato]

If you are really worried, you can stick to 11s and use KMC unlimitedly re-usable quick link.

[@reiszrie]

its not unlimited tho, KMC states in their manual that they recommend changing the missing link after 3 times of connecting and disconnecting

[@christianb.1028]

​@@reiszrieThey definitely do wear out. For a new one you need a tool. After opening and closing it a couple times you can open it by hand.

[@BarePotato]

Ah you are right. It says reusable for 3-5 times.

[@flflam]

I came here to say exactly this 😉

[@macvos]

As far as I can tell, Wippermann are the only quick links that can practicality be re-used for the lifespan of the chain (because no single component based on current tech last forever).

[@robertstrobel7338]

"You cant use a new split link on an old chain." Why do they sell them?

[@leebarrett4709]

That is quite profound and no one else picked up on it.

[@_Zane__]

I think he was referring to Campy only saying that

[@starlitshadows]

​@@_Zane__ he was. Also, you can buy them for a new chain

[@MikeMassey-fi5of]

Exactly. And why put one on at the factory when as soon as it’s used the chain is rubbish.

[@zerofrictioncycling992]

@@_Zane__ I have checked campy website and i cant find this at all. And campy have been doing master links for about 5 minutes - just how much testing do you think they have done to assess putting a new link on chain removed for cleaning maintenance thats say 1000 or 2000 or whatever kms old, and from that found concerns. I can tell you right now that would be zero. I would love to know where that information came from, and how it would have been derived if it actually has been put out by any mfg.

[@dbk81]

Not reusing split links is hokey bull shit money grab for manufacturers to bleed more money out of you. Ridiculous.

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

I pay about 25$ for a pack of 20 on Ali 😂

[@dbk81]

Which works too, and I’m a user of Ali Express quite often, and here in lies the debate, what’s better a Shimano split link used twice or a new off brand Ali express link 🤷🏼‍♂️ I mean the answer is, they are probably both just fine.

[@philadams9254]

@@LaurentiusTriarius You overpayed

[@MrClimberdave]

The non-reusable quick links are not designed to be reused (that's the money grab not the company saying that they're non-reusable). Personally I reuse SRAM and Shimano 12 speed links a few times, but realize too that each time I open one up it damages the mating surfaces and causes the link to be less secure than new. Reusable and non-reusable quick links are manufactured differently.

[@NoahStephens]

Not everything is a conspiracy, Alex Jones

[@mikehhhhhhh]

I love waxing my chain. Far less effort than I previously spent cleaning chains. Hot wax once a month with two chains on rotations and top up with a drip wax in between. I reuse links 3-5 times, but pay attention to how it snaps apart and back together, the moment it’s not a solid, well defined click it goes in the bin. But to be fair, the cost of replacing the link every time when you do it once a month is not really prohibitive. Cheaper than replacing your chain 3 times as frequently when you don’t clean it properly.

[@hughespjh]

Pretty much the perfect riposte. Also convinced me to wax my chain.

[@papalegba6796]

All lies 😂

[@Makebelieve123]

I second all of that !

[@JackFou]

Exactly right 👍

[@burlak3182]

If you ride alone. Reuse your link forever. I never experienced link snap (but I experience chain snap), and just fall off, there is no reason for you to get hurt or crash. you'll not even feel it it's same as if your chain falls from cog. you just stop proppel yourself. If you ride in group cloe behind each other... IDK then maybe can person behind you hit it and slip on it and fall... IDK but I wouln't worry about it too much.

[@MM-kt5dv]

1. The quicklink argument is bogus. If you want, KMC makes quicklinks that are designed for multiple use, are readily available, inexpensive and work on chains from different manufacturers. 2. In the 'real world' there is WAY less dirt that accumulates on the drivetrain of a waxed chain - fact. 3. It may not be practical for a bike shop mechanic, but for home use, waxing is easy and saves a lot of time over other methods, just in ease & speed of drivetrain cleaning alone.

[@makantahi3731]

there is a simple and good method for hot waxing a chain on a bicycle but they are too stupid to use it and then they would sell less chains and other parts

[@PeterSdrolias]

Amen👍

[@DrewAreYou]

I got 9,000 miles on my SRAM Force chain using Squirt wax and still had 50% life remaining. Only reason I put a new chain on is because my cassette was getting worn. Quieter, cleaner and extends your drivetrain lifespan. Easy as lube to apply to your chain. I don't think there's anything to even discuss...

[@makantahi3731]

you can renew the cassette and it will never skip, so you could use up the chain to the end

[@DrewAreYou]

@@makantahi3731 In theory yes but in reality no. The chain and cassette are really mated to each other after that many miles. A new chain on an old cassette, or vice versa, and they wouldn't mesh well. Would end up being inefficient.

[@makantahi3731]

@@DrewAreYou if you just take a new chain and put it on the old cassette, the chain will probably skip. but if you reshape the teeth on the cassette and the front ring gear (I have a video how to) then you can use the same cassette almost indefinitely and you can save a lot of money that you would have spent on cassettes. it takes 10 seconds per tooth.I've been doing it for years (over 20) and I haven't bought a new cassette in that long.

[@davidtaylor7423]

100% agree, since I have been waxing the life of the chain is much much longer.

[@huskiesparty]

YBN chains offer quick links that can be reused 5 times. They also state that they are the only company that offers a truly reusable quick link.

[@robinseibel7540]

And they work.

[@CruiserBrah]

Check out the Connex chains. I think their links are infinitely reusable.

[@paddyotoole2058]

I use the YBN quick links on both Campagnolo and Shimano chains. 10, 11 & 12 speed. MTB, gravel & road bikes. For nearly 5 years now. Can reuse them multiple times like you say. Never had any problems.

[@macvos]

YBN is great going by experiences I've read, but them offering the only re-usable quick link is bollocks.

[@nickhutchinson9068]

I have waxed for years now, and I have never had an issue. I always use the same split link. However, I have 3 chains that I rotate. so I'm not breaking the same link excessively

[@KevinCearns]

I’ve been using wax for 3-4 years now on all my bikes. 11s Shimano chain with Wipperman link. Wipperman isn’t perfect, but it’s very convenient. In all that time I have had 2 links “unlink” while riding. Both times were on my Tandem bike and both times the links didn’t break. It happened over very rough road while changing gears under power (of 2 people). I put this down to crazy bouncing chain and easy connect/disconnect mechanism of the link. Once they were still on opposite sides of the chain and I could reattach and continue on. The other required me to use my spare link. For this reason, I now always ride with a spare link on the tandem.

[@treimar]

I haven't had an issue with a quick-link failing. But you can definitely feel it getting looser and looser every time. Good idea to only use it a few times. Or use KMC reuseable ones.

[@michaelmechex]

In 999 cases out of a 1000 reusing a split link is completely fine. Those companies just don't want to be responsible for that one oddball case when it fails. Also why would they tell you to reuse anything when you can just buy a new one? Thankfully Apple doesn't sell groupsets, they'd make you buy a whole new drivetrain every time you need to lube a chain 😂

[@MartinBrown-mb7pz]

If Apple made groupsets you'd never have to lube them.

[@makantahi3731]

that's a good job

[@D1N02]

I always use 2 chains in 4 runs. So i am undoing the quick link 4 times per chain. Never had a problem. Did have two kmc chains break on me last winter. But those broke at a regular link. Must have been a bad batch or there are now fake chains going around.

[@SianaGearz]

Counterfeit KMC chains are absolutely a thing.

[@SpecialeyesRider]

I can tell you from experience that waxing a chain is not only easy and worth it, but also so much better than oil-based lubes for many reasons. I am a home mechanic, but not a guy with a set of wrenches and a bike stand. I regularly build bikes, I am the go-to mechanic for our cycling club, I teach people how to perform maintenance on their own bikes, I have a better shop than most bike shops, and I have the best maintained bikes in a club of thousands of riders. After the initial immersion waxing, the care for it is no more difficult than oil lubed chains, in fact, it much less care. Now if you’re the lazy bloke that likes to jump on his bike and ride it hard and put it away wet, then this isn't for you. But if you’re the type of person that takes care of his investments and treats his equipment well, then this is for you. I’d hate to see the disrepair that your home, car, or life is in if you just don’t care about the things you have. On the rare occasion of a puncture on the rear wheel, I can change it and not worry about dirtying my hands. I don’t worry about the sudden rain washing off my lube. When I rinse my bike off with clean water, I don’t worry about the chain. Wash and dry and put it away after every ride.

[@makantahi3731]

all yes

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

Yet another zero friction sockpuppet account lying about his nonsense. He has hundreds 😂

[@makantahi3731]

@@JoeyMills-y3v are you flat earther, because they have such a performance where the evidence is right in front of their noses but they don't want to or they can not understand simple things, otherwise I don't like Adam from ZFC and neither does the guy from Ozzy Cycle, but that has nothing to do with what they do. nobody is forcing you to have a clean bike and a chain that doesn't collect dust and that lasts at least 6x longer, but you could at least test like me if there is anything in their claims, or maybe you use wax, but for the needs of the sponsor, you play a dummy that talks nonsense

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

@@makantahi3731 funny how zero friction also calls anybody who points out his fraud a flat earther. But you're not him, are you?😂

[@makantahi3731]

@@JoeyMills-y3v no, I'm neither with them nor they, well, what are you, someone who doesn't want or can't understand simple things

[@markusseppala6547]

You can use a connex quick link that doesn't really wear out. Also I've used the KMC missing links up to 20 times probably until they get too loose. Only quick link that's failed me is a shimano one not designed to be re-used.

[@kirkh666joejoe]

I waxed my chain and regret it. It was beautiful for the first two weeks, but then all my new cassettes and chain started rusting even though i didnt really ride in the rain :(

[@oranjid]

Connex links and chains are indeed the solution. Though the links will also work with most other chains and in an emergency a 10s links will work with a 11s chain or a 11s links even with a 12s chain and the other way around. One up or down. Will get you home for sure. The connex quick link must be installed in the right direction otherwise it might open. I never had one fail on me in 4 years and 100-120.000km and they also work perfectly fine with most other chains from other manufacturers. For immersive waxing it is the best solution. And you do not need any tools to open the link either. I like it also better than the KMC links and any other quick links I have ever used.

[@brunoserafim4599]

I did n't get it, even if you're not gonna wax your chain, shouldn't you remove your chain for a proper cleaning process regardless of the lubricant you use?

[@discbrakefan]

Exactly. If you use the “hybrid” wax technique (initial hot wax, then just top up with drip wax), there’s less need to remove your chain than with oil-based lubes

[@papalegba6796]

No

[@GallardoFreak888]

I had a quicklink on my 9-speed chain come apart, it didn't break just unclipped. put another quick link on and it's good to go, I now buy KMC reusable quick links and I only reuse the original quick link once (even though I know there;s a risk of failure) Recently waxed all my operational bike's chains and it's been amazing thus far. I use SIlca wax and makes cleaning so much quicker. I also run more fixed gear drivetrains waxed and it's been epic too and those master links are reusable.

[@makantahi3731]

you should have fallen off your bike and sued someone for it

[@markreams3192]

I believe when they’re saying you can’t reuse a quick link means you shouldn’t use for a new chain but only use it for the life of the current chain. New chain = new quick link. I’ve seen a quick link fail when using an old one on a current chain but never from taking the chain off and putting it back on with the chain you’re currently using. I’ve taken a chain off and put it back on many times for cleaning without an issue! As far as waxing is concerned, I’ve never had good luck with wax based dry lubricants working well so I question the efficacy of chain waxing. I’ve never tried the Silca product (zero friction cycling’s favorite) but if it’s as good as their other products it may be worth a try!

[@davidmurphy9151]

Just replace the split link?

[@Leo-gt1bx]

Just find another source of information. This bloke is a hack.

[@EduardoDRivera]

I could be wrong... but dont I remeber you guys pushing Wend Wax back in the vlog days?

[@JohnLumapaskeith]

I bought multiple pair of Links. Even still, I've reused more than once. No issues so far.

[@miknugget1]

I have had a derailleur and hanger get destroyed by a broken quick link that I believe broke from removing it repeatedly. I was pedaling hard and fast, the chain unhooked when the quick link snapped, the quick link got stuck in a jockey wheel, and it ripped the derailleur and hanger off of my frame. I was reusing the quick link and removing the chain every 4-6 weeks for hot wax and applying drip on wax between hot waxes. I have since changed back to oil for chains.

[@SnaxNoCo]

You could have also just switched to re-usable links instead.

[@SnaxNoCo]

I once fell of my bike because I didn't use the quick release properly, so I went back to riding a Big Wheel.

[@BleakVision]

That story should wake up the most deluded marginal gainers, but it won‘t.

[@Leo-gt1bx]

I've been waxing for over a decade. I put a freshly waxed chain on minimum once or twice a month. My links get reused monthly with no issues. The only break I've ever had was not my quick link.

[@Leo-gt1bx]

​@@SnaxNoCo😂

[@ivanjednobiegowiec7656]

I'm cycling counciously for 20 years. Over all that time I never had split link fail. Starting from 8, going 9, 10, 11 up to 12 speed. Only once in my life i snapped the chain. Dirty drivetrain, very poor choice of shifting time and gear selection. Additionally I once had bad batch of single speed chains, in which outer plates were just cracking under load. Apart of that, nowt. So my personal experience says not an issue. Perhaps I'm lucky, perhaps it is B.S.

[@justsomedude7556]

I reuse the split link about 5 times before I change the link out. I wax bath and then use the drip wax in between and rebath about 1K miles , and that has worked pretty well for me and saved me from having to insert a new link each time. Or if I feel like the link is not connecting tightly, then I will replace it. I buy the sram links in groups of 6 so I always have some available as needed. Would love for someone to make a re-usable split link for the AXS flat top chains like the Wipperman's I had on my Shimano 11 speed chains.

[@razorree]

didn't think about it ! in fact one of my links fell apart when i was disconnecting my chain .... (i just used new one) so Connex Link could be the answer ?!

[@mrhankbotful]

I hot wax my chains and use KMC reusable quick links for 11sp since 11sp is what almost all my bikes run. So far no issues with their quick links, but I replace them every 1500-2000 miles, and wax every 150-200, so around 10x uses each is what I aim for.

[@geneavallone3524]

I tried waxing my chains on several bikes and the chains rusted unless you only rode om nice sunny days.

[@lakevacm]

It’s really not that hard to use a rag between your palm to pull across the chain after a days ride. You just work it until you’ve pulled the whole chain through your tightly clenched palm. After your satisfied with the amount of grit and grime removed, working from the top, put a dab of oil on either side of the rivets. Then every two weeks pop your chain off and do a deep clean if that makes you happy. Oh and clean the cogs using a cone wrench wrapped in a thin rag to get in between them. And of course it’s easy to wipe down the chain rings. More power if you really like waxing, but my method work’s excellently.

[@marcdaniels9079]

Everyone has their pet method. Oil and regular cleaning works but has been shown repeatedly to be inferior in scientific testing.

[@ilhm474]

That's a crazy amount of work if you ride more than once a week, I don't want to clean it, I don't want to deep clean it, I don't want to have dirty hands if I don't have to, I just want to ride and have components last longer and that's exactly what wax is for - components will last 2x-5x longer and there is no need to deepclean anything, at most you run hot water over it and rewax, you're done, no more 3 hour bike cleans with oily hands.

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

​@marcdaniels9079 no it hasn't 😂

[@JoeyMills-y3v]

​@ilhm474 that is also untrue 😂

[@ilhm474]

@@JoeyMills-y3v that's 100% true

[@andreluissilva869]

Solution for less missinglink use, hotwax once and topup with bottle wax lube like zerofriction cycling recommend. Then you will have a safe, long lasting low friction chain.

[@manuelelzer2310]

Still less lifespan than recurring immersive wax treatments, as this cleans your chain surprisingly well, even on the inner parts. But yeah, might be a safe route to go.

[@shellderp]

why would you be unlinking the chain once a week?

[@FreeKanal]

because u should prioritize authority figures like the guy in the video over your own experience :)

[@Leo-gt1bx]

To rotate your chain during wet seasons.

[@PBabel-ne3hc]

What is the problem to even use a new quick link? Is it not allowed? I cannot really understand the issue Nick has with this topic.

[@SianaGearz]

The issue is liability and covering his arse as a professional bicycle technician who builds bicycles for people who don't know what a wrench is to ride. He probably doesn't have an opinion on the subject, an actual technical one, or doesn't want to have one.

[@Leo-gt1bx]

​@@SianaGearzNick is a liability

[@SianaGearz]

@@Leo-gt1bx i want to be a grand liability someday. Just hovering throgh the streets, chasing primal fear into the eyes of onlookers.

[@teddgram]

I get why most manufacturers say you can't re-use the quick links. I do re-use mine, but if I've re-used it more than 10 times of breaking the chain, I will just replace the link. The only time I've had a quick link fail was when it was damaged because of a stick getting caught up in my drivetrain. As far as waxing is concerned, I hot wax and re-apply with a wax drip and it's been great. By re-applying the wax using the drip wax, I don't have to do the hot wax treatment as often. I do, however, make sure to go through my drivetrain and scrap off any excess was that can accumulate in the drivetrain.

[@JWhitneyInc]

I recently undid my quick link on my KMC chain for the first time since I stripped and hot waxed it from new. I wasn't rewaxing, but I just wanted to remove it to give the frame a deep clean. I went to put it back on and it was comically loose. Normally you have to get some tension on it with the brake and push down on the pedal but I could just take it on and off with my fingers. I immediately bought some replacement KMC quick links to replace it. They aren't that much money so if someone is obsessed with the whole waxed chain thing (I love it) it would absolutely be worth it to buy a stash of quick links for maintenance. Also, if you use the Silca stuff, they have chain lube to complement the wax system so you don't have to take it on and off as often. It's SO much cleaner. I won't touch traditional chain lube ever again.

[@Coolcmsc]

Whoever it is with the glasses is spreading rumours and giving advice on the basis of protecting himself legally. In what way is that helpful to your viewers?

[@keepitsoggy]

Nick is often incredibly unhelpful. People want to know how to repair and maintain bikes for themselves and explore what is actually possible, not just do what the manufacturer says we can - we can all read the small print of the components we buy.

[@gmivisualsjason3729]

Waxing chain is the best thing I've done on my road bike. Not only am I getting more life out of my components but my ride is completely silent now......... Drip on wax is fine. Although I apply it after every ride. Cleaning the chain with soapy water drying it then adding wax each time.

[@reginaldscot165]

I don’t wax but I wash my bike every week after 100 to 300km and I remove the chain to clean it. I have been doing this since the invention of the quick link and never seen a chain failure. Also I have worked as a mechanic in a small bike shop for 8 years and sometimes you need to remove a customers chain for services. I can’t imagine asking them to buy a new chain/link every time even when the chain is still good. Most customers won’t even replace something when I tell them it’s broken or dangerous. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@andrewsiasparks]

Waxing every week? It's more like a hot wax every two months if you dry it off after wet or winter rides. I don't take my bikes in for service so I'm the only one that works on them

[@JackFou]

I mean, quick links hardly cost a fortune. I can get 2 Shimano 11 speed ones for 10 bucks. Reusable KMC ones are even cheaper and can be used ~3 times. Plus, a good wax can last you hundreds of km do you probably won’t be pulling the chain off weekly unless you’re a pro. The opinion in this video seems hugely exaggerated.

[@strikeIII]

It was my understanding that you hot wax only a new chain and from there you just clean then drip on new wax until you replace the chain again. That’s what I’ve been doing and been working great. Waxed chains clean up so much easier

[@robinseibel7540]

Or you can hot wax a chain every time. The hot wax treatment does reduce wear better than drip waxes, but the difference isn't huge. I hot wax my chains as needed because I want to extend the life of my drivetrain as long as possible. Besides, it's dead simple and doesn't take long to do.

[@OriginalTrev]

Truly the most important 1st step is stripping a new or used chain to bare steel so the melted wax can form a durable bond with the pins and rollers... Re-waxing is simply a matter of placing your chain in the kitchen sink and pouring boiling water over it to flush out road grit and other contaminants before dipping the chain into the hot melt in your crockpot or double-boiler.

[@Leo-gt1bx]

I always hot wax them. At least once a month and I refuse my quick link

[@nelsonsawyer9210]

I have been waxing for 3 years now, re-using the same quick link. I probably unclipped this link 15 times by now and it still was a good connection. I keep a spare quick link with me with my repair kit while I ride.

[@glennmcfarlane5513]

Use a connex link

[@thangknowa3288]

Quick links get loose after a few removals, some instructions warn about it. They are all I use, and I replace mine when they unclip too easy.

[@Leo-gt1bx]

The chain is always under tension. It will be fine.

[@thangknowa3288]

@@Leo-gt1bx Not on my mountain biking with a 12 x 1 drive train. Say "Chain Slap".

[@harrisonmundschutz2654]

This bit on bike mechanic liability isn’t applicable where I live because bike mechanics are so expensive that if you can hire one, you can afford a new chain lol

[@peterthomas8053]

I've only ever used Squirt drip on wax for the last 5 years. I change my chains at just over 9,000 miles and the .75 tool doesn't drop between the links at that mileage. I'm very happy with that. I ride in UK(North Wales) conditions. Don't re use split links after having been advised not to some years ago, by a bike shop.

[@burlak3182]

I don't understand how can you have accident from quick link failure. I actually had chain failure when my chain broke on two parts (rivet failed), chain just fallen down and I wan't able to propel myself, but that's it. Also lot of people are carrying spare quick link with them in anyway. I also used to.

[@SianaGearz]

More serious accidents are possible, like it can get stuck in the rear wheel and jam it and send you flying. You can never quite predict where a loose chain will decide to wrap itself around. But as you observe the masterlink failure is not the only way a chain can fail and like... you can just live with the minute risk and do things on your own responsibility applying your best judgement. Having the chain be not a mess of grime stuck onto it but actually clean and inspectable for sure helps keeping an eye on its condition as well.

[@burlak3182]

@@SianaGearz I tried to search for some examples of accidents with broken chain, and I wasn't able. Do you know someone who experienced it or did it happened on any race or any example...

[@Leo-gt1bx]

Waxaphobes

[@welchianachi7707]

Quick Link? they are strong, my new cn-hg71 broke at first 300m of riding(outside silver plates opened).

[@peterthomson8453]

Wow, reading the comments below from the keyboard warrior brigade is insane. I love how people personally attack Nick for speaking his mind and having an opinion. Funny that, I thought we were all aloud to have one? Watching this video, I can see Nick is comming at this from the business owners perspective. These days people sue for anything, so I actually don't blame him for feeling the way he does. After all it is quite litrally his business on the line here. As the business owner he has to abide by the manufacturers recommendations as he is supporting their equipment. Failure to do so can lead to losing you supplier status etc. Yes I am also looking at this from a business perspective.

[@Quizmate1]

Well said 👏

[@Leo-gt1bx]

He is a ludite.

[@donavinnezar]

i bought a brand new split link and it felt looser than the old one it replaced...

[@luizcavalcanti104]

I had same experience with a brand new KMC reusable missing link for 10 speed. Very very loose. On the other hand I reused a 11 speed shimano quick link and it was incredibly hard to close it. I wonder if maybe it's not a good thing to be too tight if it needs to be reusable

[@teddcuizon3964]

Now that they mention it, all the chain waxing videos Ive seen are with quick links. Is it possible to do a hot wax with just a chain tool? Btw, Ive never had a road bike so IDK if there are road bikes that dont have quick links.

[@bowrinkle8408]

So if Shimano and SRAM say you can't reuse the link, or use it on a used chain, then whenever might it possibly ever be used correctly? And why do they even make them? Don't worry; someone's already working a system to clean and hit wax the chain whilst its still linked and without ever unlinking it.

[@phillycheesetake]

I've never heard such brainless nonsense.

[@cbtpro]

I've run Shimano, Wippperman, KMC, and Campagnolo chains on various bikes (3-10k miles per year, depending on the year). My SOP is wiping the chain down 3-4x a week and reapplying Park Chain lube (or similar mineral oil-based lube). Chain wear is nearly imperceptible (as measured by a Park chain wear gauge). I tried waxed-based "lube" and all it does is create a build-up of cruddy, gunky wax on the drivetrain.

[@TaborKelly]

Connex claims that their 8/9/10/11/12 speed quick links are compatible with all chains. Except 13 speed Campagnolo I guess. KMC also makes some reusable links.

[@airliftpilot]

I’ve broken quite a few chains NOT at the quick link. I’ve never seen a quick link fail. Manufacturers don’t want you reusing them because they love the idea of us buying a $0.02 part for $12 a pop. The markups on bike parts are insane (yes lots of money has to be spent in R&D but you can’t tell me the SRAM transmission for example isn’t a massive markup, the AXS system is the foundation of transmission so most of the R&D went into using the axel to mount the system).

[@burlak3182]

No, I think the warning about reusing quicklink is just patent issue. Somebody has patent on reusable quick link and if they would put on packaging that it's reusable they would get sued (or forced to stop selling product or forced to pay licencing fees)

[@cynic777]

Never had a problem with quick links. I do immersive waxing its a big improvement over alternatives.

[@Leo-gt1bx]

Totally. I've been waxing and rotating chains a couple of times a month for a decade with no problems. I will never stop.

[@pbsing]

What if you don't use split links and put the chain back together the old fashion way?

[@grahamaustin9085]

I've always reused quick links. I go by the principle that as long as they need to be fitted with quicklink pliers then they are still OK. If I can do them by hand then I consider changing them. It hasn't happened so far, but I do have spares just in case.

[@alexandergilmour8451]

Beauty of using an 8spd transmission is you don't need a joining link, very easy just to join and split with a chain tool

[@bradsanders6954]

Doing it with a chain tool, is why quick links were designed. Its not easier or quicker to use a chain tool. + a quick link requires no skill.

[@russellbaker4256]

Wippermann (8-speed) missing links are tool-less

[@makantahi3731]

yes, but you have to be careful not to disassemble the chain in the same place/pin

[@BleakVision]

What skill? just shove in that pin until the groove falls in place. On the other hand some stupidly designed Shimano quicklinks took me an hour to instal.

[@AusAviation149]

I agree that Chain wax is not worth the hassle for most people, but I dont believe the single use view of split links. 16 years since my first sram power lock. Heaps of quick links, I have never had one fail. Ever, not matter how many times I removed and reused it. Road and MTB. If I was a racer, id consider it but otherwise my own experience just doesn't back up what the manufactures say

[@makantahi3731]

it's as simple as oiling chains on bicycle

[@craiggreen4388]

NO breakages. Numerous brands, kmc, sram, taya & been pulling them apart regularly for years. I started hot waxing last year. It's not all it is cracked-up to be, however for me it is still better than oiling. I did notice in the cold weather, waxing is even less effective.

[@geoffreyveale7715]

Many years ago I used quick links on my 8 speed chain and they did fall apart on a couple of occasions. No injury or harm other than not being able to find the missing pieces and put the chain together. I think it tended to happen going over bumps on light pedaling. Modern split links have not ever failed on my 10 speed chains (more than 10 years), but have had riveted joins fail twice. I think that the better chain tension on modern drive systems helps to prevent the split links separating. It is also easy to stuff up a rivet join on 10 speed chains and they will fail under high load (very bad).

[@tobznoobs]

mainly used drip wax, i thought my long nose could open the kmc reusable quick link, but did not budge. so i used drip wax instead. chain stays clean even after all the dust and mud. cleaned it with soapy water and let it dry for the lolz of seeing rust and it did rust. reapplied drip wax and i was good to go again for another dusty ride. someday i might hot wax it but right now drip wax is making my bike look clean.. i remember the drivetrain already looking dirty and gunky after 1 month that you have to clean it or else it will shorten the lifespan. now i just use a rug after a ride, then reapply after 300mi. or when mud and water touches it, that i have to wax anyway, way easier to clean with the chain staying on than brushing or soaking or using ultrasonic whch means removing the quick link as well.

[@michaelvrbanac6923]

I clean and wax periodically, and I reuse the link. Never an issue.

[@Leo-gt1bx]

I wax mine at least 2 times a month using the original link with no issues a decade later.

[@mikeainsworth4504]

Interesting comment about Campag saying you can only use one quicklink once per chain. I have just bought a new Campag Chorus 12-speed (not to wax) and it came with two quick links!

[@jflabeets1]

“I know the sun comes up every day, but it could be cloudy, I could pass in my sleep, it could not come up, saying it will come up opens me up to liability”. The split link could break for other reasons. I could also get hit by a car while riding or slip on a banana peel thrown at me by a plumber in a red jumpsuit. Waxing a chain is MUCH easier than cleaning the drivetrain.

[@BleakVision]

Use an old cloth and pull your chain through. Takes like a minute. You marginal gainers have lost the plot.

[@strindberg8764]

I slapped a new KMC 11s chain, that came prewaxed, on my gravelbike. A bike that probably sees sand more often than it sees tarmac. Was that a dumb idea?

[@SnaxNoCo]

Wax is awesome for gravel and mountain bikes because it doesn't turn grit into a grinding paste. Just wipe down your chain after a ride, and occasionally apply drip wax or just dunk the chain in wax again when necessary. Easy peasy.

[@Skw-lincs]

I think it's pretty common knowledge quick links are only meant to be re-used 4-5 times before they should be replaced. And waxing lasts a good 500miles at least (Depending on riding conditions of course)...I'm just not sure what his point is since a lot of people remove their chain to clean it regardless of waxing or not and re-use the quick link.

[@fraserhocks7859]

I love that we are meant to take the advice of a person that has "self confessed" never used wax as to not use wax🤣. I'm now in my mid 50ies. I was waxing my chain back when I was in my teens. Iv broken many many chains (I'm 95kg, so to be expected) and the only time I ever broken a quick link, is when I put it together incorrectly.

[@SianaGearz]

That reminds me of an article in Guardian that said that one should not read Terry Pratchett - by a person who never read Terry Pratchett. Published days after the Pratchett died. One of the most disrespectful and dumb things i have ever read, and you know Internet is a very large place, a lot of it is not very respectful or very insightful.

[@gerrysecure5874]

Thats my stand. For road, degrease new chain properly, then hot wax it well. After that only top it with fluid wax after rain. Redo hot-wax in fall and spring i.e. twice a year. I ride 4000km/yr, if you do considerably more just do it more often. Unless you are a pro there is no need to hot-wax every month, but then you have a mechanic anyways.

[@nickk1658]

YBN QRS master links are good for 5 (maybe 6) uses. Also, I believe wax adheres better to Shimano, Campag, and YBN chains than it does to KMC chains.

[@A-aronTrekn]

I like the honesty by the mechanic about the liability factor. Been there over different subject matter . Definitely not dis/mis information!

[@rrrrrrikke]

I use a connex 12 speed chain on my road wheels with a 10-36 sram cassette and a flat-top sram chain on my gravel wheels with 10-44 cassette. The connex has a quick link that can be opened/closed by hand. For the sram chain I just use a new power link. Doesn’t cost a lot. I do a deep clean followed by a hot bath dip waxing every 900-1200km or so and for the intermediate intervals a drip-on wax. Saves for some powerlinks. Intervals can vary depending on weather type of riding etc.

[@billydeewilliams8909]

I don't do full wax, but I do use drip wax, which starts with removing the chain for a really thorough cleaning to remove as much of whatever was on there before. I've been occasionally removing my chains to do this full cleaning and re-using quick links, which I didn't know until the just a few days ago were one use. I have broken several quick links, including on my e-bike which resulted in some pretty annoying but not dangerous injuries, but none since I've started using drip wax. In addition to full chains, Wipperman sells their Connex quick links individually, which you can use to replace your standard quick links. They're about $30 USD a piece, but considering my reservations about quick links generally, I'm going to start using them on all my bikes, at least once the 12-spd gold is back in stock, lol.

[@ebikescrapper3925]

Nick is using common sense when advising his customers If you wax your chain you are not: Using the chain manufacturers preferred method of manufacturing and lubrication. Not using the bike companies preferred method of manufacturing and lubricant method for their chosen components. If you are waxing the chain then you are using a process that is not used by chain manufacturers and bike companies. When a bike shop advises you not to wax a chain then you are 'under advisement', this means to consider something very carefully. If a case went to court the law would say the bike shops advice had merit due to their experience and knowledge. Shops have to be extremely careful not to be sued, some might say there are being over cautious, it is better to be that than bankrupt and in jail It's the same for the quick link, the manufacturers are staring this is for the initial joining of the chain, it's a one time use item. You can buy reusable quick links but even then KMC say it can only be used three to five times If you wax your chain then accept full responsibility for any damage to your components and any legal consequences in the event of an accident. The same goes for KZbin cycling channels, if you are going to state that waxing your chain and reusing one time use quick links is a good idea then accept any legal consequences. The reusable quick links should be e fitted as standard to new bikes as it is common knowledge that people are reusing one time quick links for waxing and cleaning chains. Put in the instruction manual that the quick link can only be used three to five times and you are covered legally.

[@davetbassbos]

I'm not even a bike mechanic, but I hate you for waxing your chain, the same way I hate Kardashians wearing Metallica shirts. It's the same thing.

[@blairhocking1921]

Been waxing and reusing quick links for almost 8 years. Shimano, SRAM, KMC all reused never had one fail yet. I will never go back to conventional wet lubes. The benefits are just too good to ignore.

[@sebastiandomagala9233]

There is a reason why I will stick to Wippermann chains. Just dumped a KMC chain (11 gear) after only 4000 km. Waxed it once, rewaxed by dripping only. Maybe that's what wore it put so quickly. But I would not think abouty link too much. Got more issues with punctures anyway.

[@geoffreyveale7715]

I believe current guidelines would be re-wax (hot) about every 500 to 1000km, depending on the type to environment. More rain and dust, shorter interval. If you ride in very bad, wet conditions, the chain may need cleaning and hot wax after only 100km for best life.

[@mf0u3021]

The only takeaway from this is about 1second where he says ‘wax it once and then use the drip-on’.

[@ivreguera]

I do not reuse them, same discussion about brake hose olives, again and again. Live is too short, accidents happen and dental treatment is so expensive. Play your cards or just lube on the bike, easy.

[@DannysMyNanny]

I think people miss the point about the Quick Links. Even if using them multiple times is safe, the manufacturers say otherwise. And from a business standpoint, reusing them is a no go. I work at a shop and I tell people do whatever you want at home, but I’m not gonna risk the 1% chance of you getting hurt due to a quick link failure. It’s not worth my job to say that it’s perfectly fine (I’ve resused my quick link at least 5 times now)

[@matthew.tamasco]

Totally disagree 100%. A quick re-dip once a month or so of heavy riding takes a fraction of the time of cleaning and re-lubing and the drip on top-off works just as well. Totally worth how clean and how long the wax treatment works v re-lubing every 100 miles. Even if I had to replace the quick link once a month - still totally worth it.

[@stuartdryer1352]

Nick is totally full of crap about immersion waxing. This is right up there with the "it's a myth that helmets protect you" episode. You are rapidly becoming unwatchable.

[@scotty7453]

I've broken Shimano 12 speed links from reusing them.

[@99EMERSONIC99]

As a mech I don't recomend reuse of quick-links, HOWEVER, if customers are gonna do it (and they will do it) I recomend as soon as you don't need the quick-link tool to open it, put a new one in. As of waxing I prefer drops liquid wax instead of hot wax, cleans easier and easier to reaply

[@chrisko6439]

It just won't get where it is needed. It will only make your chain run quietly. I recommend watching Dylan Johnson's interview with Josh Poertner on the matter.

[@falklevien]

I'm running 8 speed on my bikes. Using those KMC quick links, that you can officially reuse. Super easy to unclip, you don't even need tools. I take off my chain and hot wax it every few weeks, and in the meantime top it up with drip on wax. Works a charm. But that's probably specific to my low end system.

[@benjaminurzua8100]

8 speed its really underrated, specially when mixing the best 8 speed parts in the market rather than a whole matching groupset.

[@krisztianfekete3277]

So his only issue with wax was reusing quick links?

[@makantahi3731]

no, he has mental problems but he is fixated on wax

[@SandSanta]

I wax chains regularly and the clean chain, and smooth operation is worth the snafu around quick links.

[@lanzaroterider365]

Use a connex, there, everything is ok now. But they’re expensive, cheaper than chain, cassette replacement tho

[@Leo-gt1bx]

Don't wast your money use what you have