Why Blizzard won't make WoW 2!

[@NostalgicForge]

Hi guys, thanks for watching. As you have probably already noticed, the vioceover is created with AI. All video material is from me, as well as everything that can be seen in the video (with the exception of the Leroy clip). There is a lot of work in the video. I don't do this to make money and that was never the plan. It's a pure hobby. My accent / voice does not allow my own voiceover. Let's see if there are any improvements or I just don't make this kind of videos anymore. Thank you for your understanding.🫶🏻

[@Albinosarlz123]

Maybe sometimes we watch and love creators for their authenticity and not polished quality. If you ever decide to give it a shot I'd love to watch your vids. :)

[@NostalgicForge]

@ Thank you, I'm very happy to hear that !

[@antoniogiannuzzi1256]

WOW has had a decline since WOTLK, most of the money the game makes comes from microtransactions rather then subscriptions. Most of the people who are playing the game now are old diehard fans, WOW is failing to attract a new audience. It is true the game is evolving and has evolved a lot since 2004, but it still feels like an old game and the old content hasn't been updated (2:10 this model is 12 years old) giving a sense of inconsistency. The most shocking thing for me is the success of vanilla servers both official and unofficial. There's a nostalgia for the old formula no expansion, after WOTLK, managed to deliver and old (and new) fans are still craving for! The fact people is willing to move from a pirate server to another, from the current WOW to Classic means people is willing to recreate a new avatar and move forward to new adventures. For sure WOW 2 is an enormous endeavour and I don't think current Blizzard is capable of such things anymore. Just look at what is doing right now: HOTS is a closed project, Overwatch 2 is regressing into Overwatch 1, Diablo IV hasn't been the success it should have been and Path of Exile 2 is coming to deliver the death blow, Star Craft is an abbandoned franchise, Warcraft 3 reforged has been a froud... I think they had a chance with Classsic WOW. They could have made a graphic lifting, they could have remade classes from scratch, even create new classes and specks, they could have tried new interfaces and quality of life changes... If they had done that, they could have trained a new studio to work on this project, they could have gathered data on what new and old audiences like about Vanilla WOW, all in preparation to eventually make WOW 2, but they didn't do anything of that. They used this card to make a quick buck, milk some money and forget about it. I guess they'll milk WOW till they can and they'll let it sink soon after.

[@methatguy5996]

I really don't like how retail has completely tossed all the old content aside. I wish they would just re make azeroth (as in updated graphics, skyboxes etc) and keep the old content as the new player experience.

[@NostalgicForge]

I think unfortunately for today's players this would be nothing because the original wow (Classic to Wotlk) is too slow and does not go fast enough. Probably only the real wow players want this... and what can I say we are getting older and older, and with age come duties and less time. We're no longer attractive enough for blizzard….😢

[@JBKNL]

​@@NostalgicForgespeak for yourself! I just had my face lifted!!! 😅

[@marct138]

They released a bunch of expansions that didn’t live up to the original so starting all over would be better.

[@sickofitall8486]

The only way I would come back to the game is if they made 2.0, and then only if 2.0 has a built in customizable UI while not allowing UI addons and no ability to access the combat log for MuH pArSeS. Complete pipe dream I know, and I'm sure I'm in the minority on that, but I cannot stand what the game and community have evolved into after what it was when I started in 2005.

[@SleepyJoin]

I agree with your points including that it will never happen. There I am, looking for the ques of boss abilities, remember when they do them while focusing on my raotation and there is the hunter next to me who has the boss timers and his entire rotation on the scroll wheel. I don't mind but, it's why I do not mythic raid or push the highest keys.

[@NostalgicForge]

For me it doesn't have to be wow 2.0, I love the vibe of Classic. I would be very happy with a continuation of Classic with new content, but not like SoD…

[@Dark_Jaguar]

WOW 2.0 came out just before the Burning Crusade expansion. We're up to WOW 11.0 now.

[@Mr__Chicken]

You're not in the minority dude. I think most reasonable people that aren't basement dwelling nerds want this :)

[@simonsegnerdg]

Awesome video! I would love you to do the voice over with your own voice ! Keep it up 💪🏼

[@paanjaan]

because they can sell the same game multiple times and people still buy it ...

[@TheEndrass]

I would love a prequell. I Would like to see a WoW where Lordaeron, Alterac and stromgarde is still intact.

[@JPerez-d7t]

Im building a custom world right now that starts at warcraft 1 where im restoring the wow map to restore some areas

[@wyatttilley7849]

With WoW 2.0, what exactly are we thinking here? I would love to just add Vanilla WoW + Unreal engine graphics = Epic win for me. But the fact of the matter is, Blizzard would add Vanilla WoW + Unreal engine + Store mounts + $15 sub + retail elements in vanilla + WoW token + Level Boosts + Not banning bots

[@NostalgicForge]

@@wyatttilley7849 I couldn't have said it better... Thanks for your comment.

[@wyatttilley7849]

@@NostalgicForgeThank you. This is pretty much like valve how they can't count to 3 (or unreal source engine) Did I just say that?

[@NostalgicForge]

@@wyatttilley7849 u Right, Yes.. the gaming industry is unfortunately developing in the wrong direction. Unfortunately, it is often the so that if something is done for the masses, it is broken because people are only smelling profits…

[@StormKnight1]

Unreal engine is no good for a game like wow.

[@NostalgicForge]

@@StormKnight1 I think it's not about the engine itself but rather about the orientation to the graphic style

[@francoporto409]

- Economically: Blizzard created 2 entire continents for 40€ under Windows XP, by creating EVERYTHING from A to Z, the design, the quests, the voices, the gameplay etc. for 40 EUROS. And today Blizzard would not be able with today's technologies to do the same thing? Bullshit. They have 2x less things to invent, all they have to do is start again with a better engine, improve the graphics. They do not have to rework the gameplay, the design etc. And once again, a private server is doing it, porting the game under UE5.

[@NostalgicForge]

It's exactly the same as with CoD, nobody listens to the community and community projects are prevented with lawsuits

[@bromillio]

Something about how you said, " two point zero" stuck a nerve

[@thenerdbeast7375]

I mean with all the changes to the game, WoW is already its own 2.0, 3.0 and beyond. Very little remains of the original game philosophy that was present in WoW when it was first introduced.

[@NostalgicForge]

@@thenerdbeast7375 are u still playing?

[@thenerdbeast7375]

@@NostalgicForge Yep. Same engine, basic bones are the same but the flesh upon them has changed a lot.

[@midskelmooates6719]

Gameloft did that exactly with order and chaos 1 and 2. Actually didnt turn out as bad as i thought just more microtransactions and daily quests to do

[@insanechannel1256]

Why Blizzard won't make WoW 2.0? Because they would have to put some effort into it.

[@codrin2941]

they're too busy making 100 dollars mounts

[@khatack]

Why would you spend hundreds of millions of dollars and take a chance on making an amazing game when people are happy buying that 100 dollar skin you generated for free in an instant with an AI assistant?

[@vincentp.2280]

I don't think it's only a matter of wanting to, but of being able to. Blizzard is no longer able to do that. The people who created WoW 1 are gone and Blizzard as a company has changed.

[@N3mdraz]

My wish is just new vanilla expansions. Dont need wow 2 per se

[@Tommy_The_Gun]

Same reason why Star Citizen will never be released. Game already has a decent amount of "whales" to milk, regardless of what new monetization will be added on top of already existing one. So it is not profitable for Blizz at all. That is why you dont see many new players in WoW. Cuz this game is not for them. Potential new players (with no bias against or for the game or nostalgia factor) sees WoW as an F2P & hghly P2W game that is highly overhyped, overpriced & very outdated (visually, technically & gameplay wise). Other games (and other mmorpgs) do offer way better value. If you did not grew up with old Warcraft RTS games or WoW - there is really nothing here for you. That is why WoW is kinda stagnating & will most likely never change itself & its business model.

[@FoursideAssetManagement]

I'd love a successor, but blizzard has grossly lost touch with the original psychology of WoW and it's community of guilds.

[@Gizzor]

wow is basically already in a 2.0 state but its dragging along the rotting previous expansions with it. Just give us another cataclysm style total map rework and adjust the leveling process (for the billionth time) and we'd already be there, combat, graphics, class designs, even raw stats arent the same as they were even 10 years ago

[@NostalgicForge]

Yes, I agree with you, but I think the game seems pretty tinkered by now. All the different lvl phases and the upscaling make you lose track, I miss when wow was still simple and you made progress with every lvl.

[@ebr__]

AI generated video but honestly it is a good video 👍 Some transitions could be improved but great overall

[@wartome3196]

I was thinking the same thing. Who would actually waste time writing this nonsense. KZbin is turning into trash

[@NostalgicForge]

Hey, thanks for your criticism. In fact, it's a ki voice, but there's a lot of work in the video. Just like the story, I don't think it's nonsense, otherwise I wouldn't have made the video. Unfortunately, my accent and my voice do not allow my own voiceover. Still, there is a lot of work in the video. Don't forget I don't make any money with the videos. And that's not the plan either. It's a pure hobby. Thank you and best regards🫶🏻

[@ebr__]

@NostalgicForge yes your video is good man keep it up ! And the topic is interesting

[@jackmehoff6052]

The real reason is : Blizzard is a PEAK performance when they stole ideas from other MMO (always has been), but since 2008+ they are under constant pressure from share-holders, They couldn't handle a simple Classic server like Season of Discovery, they just keep on recycling an old game from 2004 again and again (SoM, Classic Anniversary), don't get me wrong i love World of Warcraft and everything it stood for, but now its just a soulless cash-grab made by employees that don't believed themselves in the project. Its just sad, they where KINGS.

[@strzaskanyalf2928]

the moment they make the 2.0 i will never return to the game.

[@NostalgicForge]

Are you a retail or classic player?

[@OrisOsiris1]

remember the lesson for Overwatch. they developed Overwatch 2 poorly and now the franchise is dead. but i wonder, how many people still play WoW? nobody talks about it anymore, and younger gamers (like nowadays teens) are not even aware of the whole warcraft universe exists. most of the players are already in their 30s and 40s and have moved on.

[@NostalgicForge]

Do you think wow is a dying game? Because the older generation has less time to play. Probably it will come down to the fact that wow will eventually become a free to play title like a fortnite. Seasonpass and microtransactions are unfortunately the current time…

[@StormKnight1]

There is no point in creating wow 2, as in, engine swap. Their internal engine is too well optimized for the team that's working and trained on it. Wow 2 is nothing more than an expensive pipe dream that doesn't even make sense to risk development on.

[@elixer6132]

If they make a new wow it would end the old wow

[@icygrillz]

3 faction world of starcraft would be way better

[@mooncloud6563]

Maybe in 10 years. Make a wow 2

[@DBJosp]

I mean wow 2.0 does exist ... it is tbc ... it`s literaly the name of the patch current we are on 11.0.5

[@JB10008d]

Only way WoW will live on is if they make WoW 2.0 the way CLASSIC was NO PC CULTURE WOKE CRAP and NOTHING handed to the player...such as $$$ for levels or $$$ for mounts.

[@TimJBucci]

It's because Blizzard is cheap and they know their customers are cheap. Unreal Engine 5 has some incredible potential, yet a "WoW 2" would likely require too many people to update their PC's, and Blizzard is running strong on those N64 graphics still...

[@avatrusentertainment9366]

Why would blizzard release overwatch 2?

[@chrismacqueen4891]

I can almost guarantee that in 5-7 years the current WoW will be dead. Blizzard also knows this but the problem Blizzard has is it is no longer ran by devs looking to make a great game which is why a WoW 2 would fail. They are fully beholden to those who only care about big quick profits and no interest in gaming in the slightest. Only reason WoW has survived so long is there has been a severe lack of other games in the genre but with the state of AI and AI delving into programing and world generation things are close to a massive gaming change.

[@朱萧年]

WoW17 is already underway…

[@alpha-0874]

Hilarious that you say "a reboot could mean the end of wow" while showing a chart of their failing expansions.

[@NostalgicForge]

@@alpha-0874 It clearly underpins that small changes in the game can be fatal decisions.

[@alpha-0874]

@@NostalgicForge That's an interesting way of looking at it. When I see those numbers, I think more about how all of the people that made "old blizzard" no longer work there. As well as the acquisition by Activision (and eventually Microsoft).

[@khatack]

Blizzard won't make WoW sequel because WoW as it is already has a sufficiently large population of whales. Blizzard is not in the making great games and selling them business, Blizzard is in the whaling business. Just like every single mmo on the markets today.

[@trixeater4959]

Progress? Bond with character? Blizzard chose to veer into a desperate need to turn the MMO into a console game. There is no progress, start fresh character today, max level by dinner, didn't make it? Buy a boost! So much for that bond, enjoyment of zones? HA! maybe if you're a zoomer with 15 second attention span. There is no 'loyal player base', its an on again/off again relationship at best. They release Classic (or a version of it) and retail gets a slight temporary boost in numbers from players popping in for 5 minutes, & Blizzard calls that a success. Wow 2.0 would be massive, or even just the Wow+ people asked for, with a continuation of unfinished quests/zones/stories,instead of the SoD bs of "Here, its still just classic, but with easter eggs & crap we stole from expansions to shut you people up"

[@Zack_Wester]

I played from burning crusade to early cata. Might have also played in late vanilla also. made a character and server when burning crusade came out and played on that one to the end. not going back to wow... so many expansion I would need to catch up on and the mess that is current leveling and the rush for endgame. (note I played on a RP server and did RP).

[@jamesford5504]

Title misleading, WoW 2.0 was burning crusade. Just drop the .0, 2.0 implys a patch or expansion.

[@NostalgicForge]

I think you understand it wrong, theoretically you are right but the idea of wow 2 can be understood in different theories. Either a completely new game which has little to do with the predecessor and this is WoW 2, or a revised version of the current game (graphics, engine and more) this would be a 2.0.

[@s.j.hartley]

Blizzard did make 2.0 It was called The Burning Crusade. We are now on 11.0

[@gamingedition5165]

No burning crusade was a continuation of classic same with wrath of the lich king realistically wow 2 did not start till cataclysm.

[@s.j.hartley]

@gamingedition5165 Yeah, WoW 2 is another thing. But the title of the video says 2.0 which is how you tell versions apart. Burning Crusade IS 2.0 haha. On a side note, I notice Overwatch 2 has version 2.0 instead of 1.0 signifying it's not even a second game haha.

[@oligarchy-usa]

WoW has been trash since MoP (if not before even that) & modern "Blizzard" lacks the creative vision and talent to make a good WoW 2.0.

[@李飛飛大燒B]

YOU ARE WRONG

[@NostalgicForge]

@@李飛飛大燒B why?

[@ParisAvenue2005]

Because they are lazy and cheap. Why do 2.0 when they can re-hash "Classic" again and again and again and Blizz defenders like you will promote it. There you go - saved you 4mins.

[@NostalgicForge]

@@ParisAvenue2005 why so salty?