Why Blue Bottle Workers Are Unionizing

[@jayzee4097]

Wait until they find out just how evil, and out of fucks to give, Nestle really is. There is a reason that they can't put their name anywhere near the Blue Bottle brand.

[@merryfergie]

Stop buying coffee at franchise companies. Think globally, eat locally

[@legionofboombap4705]

Bingo! Consumers need to pay more attention to who give they give their business to and act accordingly. In a Free market that is how you make change happen. These employees think companies are going to take less of the pie..? Delusional. Think people are forgetting we live in a capitalist society that values max profits for shareholders above all else.

[@colinmetzger6755]

​@@legionofboombap4705 or you actually have proper controls that prevent the consolidation of companies into meta corporations. So you can actually have functional capitalism.

[@peacefulpossum2438]

My small town has two very excellent cafes with fresh baked goods and delicious food, but people will park in a giant lot and walk into Kroger to pay more for Starbucks. I don’t get it.

[@Martin_Priesthood]

Good idea

[@timogul]

Well, these baristas could just open their own coffee shops and pocket all the profits.

[@AB-wf8ek]

I was teaching at an art university for 5 years. The last course I taught was a class of 30 students. For a 3 credit class the school was getting ~$150k in revenue, and they were paying me $2100 for a 15 week semester. I was developing and delivering all the material myself, essentially generating 100% of the class, and only receiving ~1.5% of the revenue. When I asked for more, they told me it wasn't possible. I didn't stick around.

[@mobrocket]

Was it a for-profit university?

[@LordWaterBottle]

Assuming 5 lecture hours each week, 10 office hours a week, and 5 hours of grading a week, it's not even federal minimum wage.

[@mobrocket]

@@LordWaterBottle My guess it was probably in some adjunct position... So not full time hours like you listed Probably only taught that 1 class, 1 time a week for 2-3 hrs My former boss did that for side money, probably put in 10 hrs a week tops

[@LordWaterBottle]

@@mobrocket I listed 20 hours a week, the fuck you mean full time?

[@J3unG]

@@mobrocketMoron. The OP listed the revenue for the school he worked for. Of course, they profited.

[@jennifersvitko5997]

Our local coffee shop, Gimme!, is employee owned and union. I hope the Blue Bottle workers get their union.

[@ngf5077]

Why not just start a new shop from the ground up and make it a profit sharing model?

[@hallopino]

@@ngf5077 because it is very hard and most businesses fail.

[@Gcuso]

Don't forget that Nestle once said that water isn't a right and should be privatized.

[@Ketowski]

Well, a Canadian conservative prime minister agreed and sold out water to NAFTA. He was also charged for something else during his time in office. It says something about his track record.

[@ngf5077]

Based. Worthless feeders need to stop depleting resources. Depopulation now!

[@bradchristy8429]

@@ngf5077 Mao and Thanos would be proud. You don’t have to feed those who you’ve killed.

[@bradchristy8429]

There’s plenty of water out there. Go drink it. But, if you want it CLEAN, you don’t have a right to others labor. That you have to pay for. Or do you support slavery?

[@ngf5077]

@@bradchristy8429 agreed

[@QMulative]

Big companies masquerading as mom-and-pop cafés D:

[@Whooshta]

Walmart and Amazon do this too. Its also very common on Uber Eats and Door Dash.

[@bartdoo5757]

@@Whooshta How are Walmart and Amazon acting like mom and pop cafes?

[@Perfidion]

Gotta love commercial astroturfing. Nestle are a scum company with a long history of terrible behaviour. No surprises conditions for workers are circling the drain now they're in charge.

[@middleagebrotips3454]

​@@bartdoo5757start a separate brand with hippie copywriters creating a "mom and pop" story. Lots of companies do it until they get caught

[@LadyTink]

"It's more likely than you think" xD

[@YeahNah100]

Nestle is consistently Awful.

[@RevShifty]

One of the worst companies ever. Which is no small feat, considering.

[@AUG_XZABER]

"We steal your water and sell it back to you." -Nestlé

[@haleybrown2836]

What makes it even more awful, Nestle originally a Swiss company and still headquartered there, couldn't get away with worker abuse in Switzerland. This household will look into Nestle owned products and boycott anything affiliated with this company.

[@RevShifty]

@@AUG_XZABER Don't forget about the child slave labor used for chocolate harvesting. Or their awful scheme with infant formula across Africa. Or... They're a genuinely terrible company and have been for literal decades, I guess would be my point.

[@xioffb97]

Does no one remember the tainted baby formula scandal in the global south in the 70s?

[@Blackatchaproduction]

nestle also steals water, so this isnt a stretch

[@ItsMe-uf6or]

How exactly do they steal it? You mean take it out of the ground? One of them I delivered from was definitely mountain water, plant was nestled in the mountains. Not city water for sure, so how is it stealing??

[@SebAnders]

Well they buy a tanker truck of water (from municipal supply) for like $10 bottle it and sell it for $50,000 at the same time there's water shortages

[@itsoktobehappy461]

@@SebAndersThat is a valuable need that they fill and a win win all around

[@Jrsygirl28]

​@@ItsMe-uf6orResearch how they used up all the water in Northern California, where the residents, wildlife and agricultural crops suffered. Go ahead..look it up, I'll wait.

[@Santiago-bk1gi]

​@@itsoktobehappy461 I'm pretty sure you're either a high mgmt staff at N3stle or have significant stock because otherwise it wouldn't make sense for you to be vehemently backing up this giant monster in your numerous comments. To answer your question, how is building a plant in the mountains to get fresh spring water and selling it, stealing?... It's the modern capitalist masked model of theft, now I'm a capitalist but I still point out things that are wrong with the current model which should be more controlled by the people, they should be able to do that but maybe just get 40% of that water, the other 60% should be in control of the county it's in for the local population, that would be better, and very morally speaking, why don't you talk about the bad of N3stle?, like their child slave labor in their African cocoa plantations.

[@GamerKru1996]

Nestle is constantly treating it's workers absolutely horrendously.

[@pierregravel-primeau702]

Because Coke and Pepsi are better?

[@haleybrown2836]

@@pierregravel-primeau702 The difference is that Pepsi and Coke are American companies but Nestle originally was a Swiss company and its headquarters continues to be there. The EU has labor standards and Nestle and other European companies couldn't get away with what they are doing here.

[@Cody-th5sf]

Then quit and get a better job

[@ASocialistTransGirl]

@@Cody-th5sfNot everyone can. Not everywhere has other oppurtunities, and not everyone can afford to move. Plus, someone needs to do the jobs.

[@rk-us3zl]

@@ASocialistTransGirl WRONG. They could literally walk down to mcdonalds and go to work the next day. They could fill out a fafsa and go back to school. They are not slaves or indentured servants.

[@michaelhamilton7814]

Just like the old cliche, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer or the poor gets screwed.

[@michaelhamilton7814]

You're not going to get people to stand up I don't know what the deal is but the people are afraid.

[@youtubecommercialsareascam8495]

​@@michaelhamilton7814that seems to be the problem where I work we are part of the UAW but our president is compromised taking gifts from supervisors to me as a conflict of interest and that's why no one wants to enter our union we have over 300 people and only 50 people in our union 20 years ago the whole company was in it. The last president we had passed away I don't mean to talk bad about him but he couldn't read at all so how was he supposed to help It was a big joke. When he passed away we received back the Union president that we had before him and he is worthless of witnessed him taking gifts from supervisors many times. I would love to try and get more perfect union to help us out but I'm even afraid to take that step because I know what goes on at my company our union is a sham in the UAW should investigate I would love to throw the company name out there but I know I won't have a job in the morning if I do I'll just say this I work for a multi-billion dollar company which is a manufacturing company warehouse in Texas and we make conduit so there is a lot of pollution going on as well there's a ditch that runs straight through the middle of this company and it is full of PVC shavings which runs straight into the Brazos River they covered it over with rocks but so much is washing into the creek that it is very noticeable but we are getting no help from our town on cleaning this matter up considering that this creek dumps into the river about 200 yd upstream from where our water is pumped out and distributed to the community. I would love to fight these people but being jobless doesn't pay the bills and that's why a lot of people won't stand up especially when we have crooked union leaders standing over us with our supervisors hand in hand. Sorry about all that rant no there's nothing you can do to help but I just had to get it out there it's other cancer or dementia or being jobless and not being able to take care of the two kids that me and my wife adopted which makes me feel like I have even more of a responsibility to them but I just don't know what to do to keep them and myself safe

[@HometownAngler]

Christianity did that. But make sure you give another 10% to your church!

[@bradchristy8429]

All I see in this video are people making themselves richer. Even if ungratefully. People focus far too much on what others have.

[@Ketowski]

@@bradchristy8429 Yeah, it’s so ‘lucrative’ to be able to live.

[@TheLastLineLive]

We need more worker owned and operated coops, maybe allow community investment as well. Coffee shops are an ideal place to start that at.

[@GameFuMaster]

yeah, it's called starting your own business. How do you people not understand this? Pool your money together and just start a business. It's called a free market for a reason.

[@ngf5077]

They tend to eat each other. Your peers are much more critical of your work ethic and demeanor with clients when it affects their wages. I worked at a profit sharing place once and it sucked. Everyone was at everyone’s throat instead of being unified in hate against a mystical ceo

[@ngf5077]

It’s why the workers never band together and start their own shop. They know how much their coworkers are truly worth and don’t want to share profit with them

[@agapitoliria]

​@@ngf5077 not trying to devaluate your experience, but I experienced the same in a normal company (supermarket), and there was no unified hate, just cutthroat people that wanted to climb to middle management and survivors. If it's already happening, I doubt what you say is something specific to co-ops.

[@ItsMe-uf6or]

@GameFuMaster oh no, not risk thier own money and work for free for possibly years until it becomes profitable. Just so some unexperienced ungrateful employees can come along and threaten to take it all away from you. That's sounds like an awesome plan.

[@707Berto]

Watch your food labels. Nestle is the largest F&B company in the world.

[@IntoTheMystery13]

F&b?

[@AK-47ISTHEWAY]

​@@IntoTheMystery13Food and Beverage

[@onemoreguyonline7878]

r/FuckNestle if you haven't already checked it out

[@akshayde]

I don't buy anything nestle anymore. Haven't done in 5-6 years

[@ngf5077]

I like Kit Kats. I think they make them

[@trentlytle7289]

I work for sbux and our union is finally getting access to the benefits they took away. It's a long fight, but it can be won 💪 I hope everyone has a great May Day

[@DearOldMom]

This is monopolized. These megacorps need to be broken up.

[@UnarmedBastard]

Won't happen unless the world is broken up I'm afraid.

[@paullukis3315]

Private Equity owns pretty much anything big mega-corps don't. We are at late-late stage capitalism. And it gets even worse, because now that we have a global market, our Government has to factor in foreign investment or ownership now. Imagine if China or Russia suddenly owned Nestle? These giant corporations are going to choke out this country.

[@ijustawannaprivicie8031]

100 coffee shops around the planet is NOT a monopoly.

[@X4zerm4n]

@@ijustawannaprivicie8031nestle is more than just coffee shops

[@lindabarnes5235]

@@ijustawannaprivicie8031this isn’t just about coffee.

[@davidd7397]

I’m an RN. I make less than $500 a 12 hour shift. The hospital charges that for one EKG that takes me less than 5 minutes to do.

[@haleybrown2836]

If anything needs a serious overhaul it is our healthcare industry and I mean Industry. Healthcare is a social issue but in the 1980s under Reagan's neoliberalism it was turned into just another for profit industry.

[@waylonk2453]

@@haleybrown2836 That's a very good point about how healthcare has been industrialized. Big companies are cashing in on our mortality like never before.

[@MarcPagan]

You're well paid. You didn't note the hospital's expenses, and how much they eat in unpaid bills. Ex St. Vincent's in NYC went under with $700 million in debt. ..all due to unpaid bills.

[@haleybrown2836]

@@waylonk2453 Another tragic consequence is the closing of hundreds upon hundreds of rural small hospitals/clinics throughout the country.

[@haleybrown2836]

@@MarcPagan There was a time when hospitals ran on minimum white collar workers, five major C employees ran the operations adequately. These days hospitals are overrun with high paying master degrees. In regards to unpaid bills, hospitals wouldn't have to worry about if we had universal healthcare like other advanced nations have.

[@theflaggeddragon9472]

Hope they get their union! All companies should be unionized, or better yet, co-operatives!! Workers made our society, they should own our society

[@willowtdog6449]

Hell yeah!

[@zendecibelsraw]

They don't need to be regulated. People need to wake up, stop working for them & stop patronizing them. Shop local doesn't mean shop at your local Wally world, yet people still poor in. I blame the public for being so ignorant. Unionizing isn't a solution to a skill-less job & your probably unaware of how much damage the unions in California have done. Unions probably account for a third to half, possibly more of the political problems we have here. Between SEIU 1000 & SEIU 1021 we're pretty screwed. They absolutely don't have their workers best interests at heart. It's a political game.

[@theflaggeddragon9472]

@@zendecibelsraw Dude I agree with your conclusions but the whole world waking up and magically agreeing with us is never gonna happen. Do the work, unionize, canvas, vote, demonstrate, take wins where you can. That's how change happens.

[@Ketowski]

@@zendecibelsraw Sure they do. Otherwise the consumer efforts have no teeth.

[@lambertlum1087]

@@theflaggeddragon9472 Oh please, there's a reason why unions aren't popular. Union membership has been declining over the years. I have a high salary because I work software. An in-demand skill will command a high salary. Unions are simply leeches that take a cut of your paycut.

[@FlyingOverTr0ut]

This is so sad to see. I hate seeing service workers being exploited like this. They deserve better.

[@rk-us3zl]

they aren't indentured servants and they agreed to go to work for the wages they are paid. They get exactly what they deserve

[@criticalinfrastructurepart1959]

Agreed, had we not hollowed out our manufacturing base 50 years ago, they could be making steel, furniture, clothing, electronics, etc. instead of just coffee and might be able to afford to live!

[@rk-us3zl]

@@criticalinfrastructurepart1959 yes, there's no jobs that pay well. No trades where a person can make a good to great living, with a little effort. You know, the jobs they laugh at, like plumber, welder, auto mechanic etc. Those jobs are blue collar and beneath them. But yeah, these beta males would work in manufacturing, right...

[@navajojohn9448]

Open your own coffee shop so you can overcharge $7.00 for a cup of coffee and keep the profit if you make any.

[@expedition346]

you are wondering why people dont know what seems to me to be a little-known fact?

[@coryluke12]

These clowns don’t know the difference between revenue and profit (which is why they work in a coffee shop).

[@Drebin2293]

I'd like to see a breakdown of expenses. Operating these places isn't cheap, and you need as much profit as you can get to ensure growth, but at the same time. It isn't a high skill job. If the take home per day is 144, that's 18/hr. That isn't that bad for a low skill entry job. The company doesn't owe you more money because their product makes more money. If you want to make more money, pool together and start your own coop coffee shop. Get a stem degree. Learn plumbing, welding, or hvac. Don't expect a dead end job like a barista to make a lot of money unless you own the building or your name's on the lease. Most people get paid commiserate with the value they bring to the table. You want to get paid more? Stop working for other people and start your own business.

[@AK-47ISTHEWAY]

Well said 👏

[@phobbes4-zero]

They're also not working full-time.

[@HandsandFingers]

I went through a THREE interview process with Blue Bottle and then when they gave me an offer I told them that their rate offer wasn't even close to competitive compared to what other companies offered for the same position. They told me it didn't matter because working at Blue Bottle "was fun". It was the dumbest job offer I've ever received.

[@robertstanton1668]

So why don't these malcontents open their own coffee shops and pay the employees $100k a year? Seems like a no brainer to me, for which they seem to be imminently qualified.

[@expedition346]

*eminently

[@davidh7924]

I cannot figure out why these workers are complaining. Don't piggy back off a company like Nestle, go out and make something of yourselves. Gather together and build a company to compete against Nestle and make them hurt that way. Yeah the wages suck but you see how easy it is to make more money just by applying a little harder.

[@CyndiConnard]

Did these workers not know how that worked, with corporations, before applying for the job? Nestle is not a Company that is 'for the people' , it's a Company that is for profit, for shareholders, for CEO's bonuses...

[@expedition346]

you are wondering why people dont know what seems to me to be a little-known fact?

[@dosadoodle]

I had no idea Nestle owned a majority stake in Blue Bottle. We need more transparency about these conglomerates -- there is no consumer choice if important information to inform our choices are difficult to uncover. [Edit] Suggestion: avoid the word "comrade" if you want to get more people onboard. Many people hear that word and think "communist", and they will be against what you're supporting even if the rest of your message is in line with their beliefs.

[@vamuse]

Sigh... I was thinking the same thing regarding the phrase comrade. It's a shame because 99% of people who are against communist / socialist ideas don't know the first thing about it. The tribalism is so ingrained that they just kneejerk react with "enemy!"

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

Thanks friend :)

[@homerthompson416]

If the message is in line then their beliefs are communist. But the government and media have successfully turned communism into a dirty word the last 120 years.

[@Rawb-kt7fe]

I enjoyed the word 'comrad', a major component of John Steinbeck's- Indubious Battle.

[@LordWaterBottle]

Banks don't even know who owns the corporations if they don't own 25% or more directly.

[@beebumble9664]

This is probably already posted, so many comments here! 👍 but I remember there was a boycott of Nestles in the 1970s due to it's heavy pushing of formula over breastfeeding and the formula was allegedly a weak solution lacking essential nutrients, causing infant malnutrition. Truly disgusting corporate behavior. Despicable. My mom boycott their products and I still do to this day.

[@plannerjoy]

Having operated my small business for almost a decade now I have discovered how incredibly difficult it is to operate a profitable business. I’m convinced that everyone should do it for the experience. The knowledge and experience that you will gain are invaluable.

[@whatgoesaroundcomesaround920]

Yes, owning and running a business is not for the faint of heart! And not everyone has the skills and personal qualities that help a small business person be super successful. That's why saying, "Well, if you don't like the pay, go run your own" is a false alternative. It's not an excuse for underpaying your workers. Without them, YOU would be the barista, or waitress, or dishwasher.

[@kaischoneweiss]

Never going back to blue bottle

[@waylonk2453]

Me neither. I've not been, but this is pretty tough to watch.

[@mf--]

Never heard of them.

[@axioms22]

Fuck Blue bottle lol it's overpriced garbage even when compared to other expensive coffee shops

[@jaeboston9228]

Sure, Americans are addicted to consumerism. We love making the rich richer and love whining in the process.

[@BeavisBomer-vo9yx]

Get to know your local shop owners and choose who you want to support with your business.

[@Joy-e5m4v]

@@jaeboston9228 sure, lets attack the person because i am a fatherless child who had no attention when i was a kid and i still want attention

[@Ketowski]

@@Joy-e5m4v Just because you’re a dirtbag with no empathy, doesn’t mean we need the reminder.

[@4ae109]

@@Joy-e5m4v His point is valid, I think, but misdirected. Cognitive dissonance is pretty common for Americans because consumerism, capitalism, and nationalism has been engrained into them. OP is obviously not the type of person to willingly give into consumerism.

[@Methuzala777]

Please dont ruin this very good perspective by allowing those interviewed to make statements like "with one latte i have covered my wage and the rest is profit". Probably 10-15% of the 7.xx cost of the drink is profit on top of labor and overhead. Focus on the net profit of the business after meeting overhead and labor expenses; statements that make it seem like the employees have no basic understanding of pricing structure may invalidate their comments, weakening the power of their statement with those we have yet to become convinced.

[@spamanator666]

Kid talking about making his wage in five minutes doesn't understand overhead, he isn't "simply making profit for the company"...

[@SSVjoker]

Wait. Hold on. $7 coffee?!

[@vipermad358]

Yeah. Ridiculous.

[@robertlloyd122]

Depending on the drink, easily.

[@Sad_But_True17]

Well yeah, but it's made by transgender "comrades". That shid cost extra.

[@SSVjoker]

@@robertlloyd122 what do they even put in it to be worth that much, cocaine?!

[@robertlloyd122]

@@SSVjoker Convenience. Someone else is making an espresso and milk beverage for you, away from your home.

[@aj.9049]

Yes. F. Nestle. Almost impossible to avoid them.

[@haleybrown2836]

Looking Nestle products up I was shocked at the seemingly no ending list of products.

[@cpK054L]

Pretty easy to avoid when you don't buy junk food.

[@pull_up_the_roots]

It's so exciting and energizing to see so many workers organizing and starting to push back against corporate power. We've needed to rebuild a strong labor movement in the U.S. for so many decades, and I'm inspired to see so many folks take up the cause and create a countervailing force against the owner class in multiple industries.

[@TabletAccount-fo8zm]

So, open your own coffee store, you can pay electric, fees, taxes.... then you can split all your profits with your employees.

[@df6368]

Fully support unions every time. We need them. The folks in these interviews need to understand the difference between revenue and profit though. There's a huge difference in reference point in the business. I hope they get a union and hope they also learn how businesses work.

[@ijustawannaprivicie8031]

If these people weren't all un-hireable elsewhere they'd just get another job. It's not Nestle's fault they are giving them the only job that people are willing to hire them at. They should be thankful.

[@ngf5077]

@@ijustawannaprivicie8031somehow there is a shortage of trade workers in my town. They start at $20/hr. I don’t know why baristas are not applying

[@samuelelisha9618]

I’m gonna get yelled at for this, but here goes. I’m not saying these people don’t deserve to make more money, however it’s a mistake to believe that most of the money is profit. Most of it is not. Rent has to be paid, insurance has to be paid, supplies have to be bought, utilities have to be paid, salaries have to be paid, licenses have to be paid, legal fees have to be paid, taxes have to be paid. I get why people are frustrated, but they also have to stop and think about the actual cost of running a business. Expenses do not stop after paying someone’s salary.

[@nts4906]

Unions will help a lot. No owner deserves millions of profit. Not a single one.

[@SqueakyWheelMakesNoise]

Why not, the owner took all the risks and purchased hundreds of thousands in equipment. Cost to have the electric on in the store. Cost to rent a store itself. Lots of Cost spoiled brats don't think of

[@Sho_Ishto]

@@SqueakyWheelMakesNoise let’s see the owner generate all the income working the coffee shops themselves then.

[@theboyisnotright6312]

​@@SqueakyWheelMakesNoisemake sure to use your whole tongue when licking the rich person's backside 😊

[@iheartlreoy8134]

@@SqueakyWheelMakesNoiseand can’t handle the cost of selling the coffees himself ooh too sad

[@Centerpieceofmind]

You're so clueless. I bet you're a millennial.

[@sinthoras1917]

That's called producing surplus value for your capitalist exploiter

[@bassandtrebleclef]

This sounds like whining. Go start a place if you think your can do it better.

[@4ae109]

@@bassandtrebleclef Do what better? Exploit workers better?

[@Ketowski]

@@bassandtrebleclef Many can, but the mega corporations don’t like competition. You do know that most of these companies are owned by Three Main Corporations?

[@sinthoras1917]

@@bassandtrebleclef you've never started a business if you think it that easy

[@tioswift3676]

@@sinthoras1917I started a business and have 7 locations now.

[@Ryanstuff]

I promise I'm not being a jerk when I say this but did these employees really think they were going to find an employer that was willing to basically break even? They agreed to the employment and the pay when they were hired. Businesses exist to make a profit which means that indeed you will be making far less than what you generate for the business. I'll agree that businesses should look at their profit margins and tilt things more in the favor of the employees regarding compensation but beyond that you're never going to make back nearly what you produce for a company. You trade your labor for a given rate in exchange for helping make profit for the business. You could certainly leave and open up your own business but then you take on all the risk and you obviously have to have a decent amount of your own capital to live the life of an entrepreneur.

[@AnonymousMusing]

I hope they're able to unionize!

[@polyverse1]

Back in my day the corporations did most of their exploiting over seas. Nowadays they’re doing all of their exploitation within the country. Keep in mind they couldn’t violate labor laws without help from the state. I won’t be getting coffee from BB until they treat their workers better. Good luck and Godspeed to the workers at Blue Bottle.

[@haleybrown2836]

The same applies to European countries. These companies couldn't get away with half of what they are doing over here. The EU has minimum labor standards which countries wanting to join have to agree to. This was one of the reasons the UK wanted/left the EU.

[@annsanse2935]

we spend half our waking lives living in a democracy and the rest working for an autocrat.

[@Ketowski]

Well, that’s about to change if the Corporate-sympathetic politicians get their way. Then we’ll spend all our time in an autocratic system. With lots of product “choices” to distract us.

[@alaakela]

Because you didn't notice that you don't live in a democracy. You live in a representative republic

[@Ketowski]

@@alaakela So why was the Republican Party always promoting supporting democracy for all the wars they wanted?

[@annsanse2935]

@@alaakela too many syllables, missy.

[@cpK054L]

​@@alaakelaconstitutional republic

[@Josh-99]

Nestle is a garbage company and a great many people totally avoid their products, myself included. There's a good reason why Nestle doesn't put their name on any Blue Bottle product: they want to pass their big corporate product off as a local, small-batch, craft coffee.

[@svnblm]

Not just Nestle -- but also all the banks/mgmt consulting co's -- all those who help Nestle do this abuse should be prosecuted and broken up.

[@MarcPagan]

Explain "abuse" I wasn't aware that employees are serfs, unable to pursue another job.

[@cpK054L]

​@MarcPagan they're not. They just don't want to blame themselves for their shortcomings

[@DeepFriedLiver]

Why is their hour of work more important than the decades of work and investing done by the shareholders of nestle who have their retirement riding on the “corporate profits”?

[@expedition346]

because if theres no one to make the coffee, there would be exactly zero corporate profits

[@AK-47ISTHEWAY]

​@expedition346 That's why they are going to be replaced by robots soon.

[@jonlittle5032]

There is a confusion between profit and total cost. The difference between 90 seconds of labor and a $7 sale is not profit. How much did the roast cost? How much is the cost of the financing for the building, the utilities, the back office support, the cup, the clutch, the napkins, the equipment, the maintenance? Raising wages would not come out of 'profits'; it would come out of the increased purchase price. To assert or imply otherwise misleads and distracts from the real issues. There needs to be an across the board wage increase, a real minimum wage increase. But to assert that increase will come at the expense of profits is disingenuous and serves only to create a hostile political debate.

[@greeleyestateslove]

Honestly...I haaaaaate people like you. You KNOW that there are several select people at Nestle that take millions in profit for themselves, that should have gone to workers. Unrelated to r&d budget and operating costs. Millions of their profits go to lawsuits for consumer deception, skirting laws and regulations, and MARKETING. Such bloated and unnecessary uses of budget. And they get writeoffs and loans and forgiveness and incentives from the government. But keep being a bootlicker and spreading economic nonsense.

[@expedition346]

what are you talking about…”profit” is revenue less cost. so wage increases come out of profits. the workers generated the profit in the first place

[@jonlittle5032]

@@expedition346 Increase wages and the price will go up to sustain the profits. Wage increases come out of gross revenue.

[@Bregylais]

Knowing that Nestle owns a certain product or chain is the only reason I need to never buy said product or visit said chain again. Thanks for the heads-up.

[@middle_pickup]

Fun fact: Nestle chocolate uses slave labor in their supply chain. The supreme court even said that it's okay. How sweet is that!?

[@ngf5077]

Kit Kats are my favorite. I wish they had more flavors domestically. I can get green tea variants at the Asian market for $10/bag

[@MarcPagan]

Proof?

[@RobinZinke]

The supreme Court is nothing but a damn shithole, and I'm saying that not just because of this but because of other things also.

[@middle_pickup]

@@MarcPagan the use of both adult and child slave labor in the supply chain of chocolate has been well documented across many media outlets over the years. Apparently I can't link here and have my comment show up. It seems kind of silly to ask for proof given the fact that Nestle literally argued in court for their right to use slave labor though. Like, why defend that right if you're actually a decent corporation that totally would never use child slaves?

[@MarcPagan]

@@middle_pickup Of course, slave labor isn't OK, ...nor is gov set wages for labor. Which distorts the labor market, and makes way for Illegal Aliens killing wages. Much cheaper to hire Illegal Aliens off-the-books, as 95% don't work on farms.

[@johnnynick3621]

These people have absolutely no clue what it takes to build and maintain a company. If they did, they wouldn't be working for someone else, they would be working for themselves. Making someone a cup of coffee is NOT a career. Giving them a silly name like barista doesn't change the fact that all they are doing is serving someone a cup of coffee. Learn a real skill that provides a much-needed service and is difficult to master. Then, perhaps, you will earn a decent wage. Even then, there is no guarantee.

[@coachtaewherbalife8817]

Everyone is talking about gross income but calling it profit. Your argument would be much stronger without this confusion.

[@MrLennart1976]

I doubt most of them understand the difference.

[@weird-guy]

With this type of arguments only shows corporations are right witch is sad imo because we will never win the fight with this type of people leading the way

[@ngf5077]

You don’t understand. If 10 different people in the supply chain participate in the production of a good that retails for $1k then all 10 workers deserve $1k.

[@coachtaewherbalife8817]

@@ngf5077 And what about the overhead costs? You need part of that money to cover the cost of the original resources used to make the product, including the cost of the factory building and equipment and all the people who work there but don't directly produce the goods, such as marketing. Each worker deserves a share of the profit, not the gross.

[@cle_roknn3742]

I was thinking the same thing. What’s the rent, the utilities, the cost of the paper goods and just overhead for a brick and mortar business in their market? Do they have benefits now and what does that package look like. These are all questions that this does not cover. This may seem cruel, but here it goes: if you want to be paid a living wage, you’re going to need a skill capable of earning that wage. Pouring coffee is not a living wage skill, it’s a basic skill anyone can do at home and a vending machine in the 1980’s could accomplish….

[@user-cx5jj2yv3p]

Listen its not as simple as $3500 worth of lattes each day to $144. You need to account for the cost of materials, location, maintenance, etc... But yes the ratio is still abysmal

[@Burnlit1337]

In a successful business, it's the very nature of business that a worker's output is going to be a few times more in value than what you are actually paid because of all the capital and investment need to get that business running. But if the profit margin is beyond that cost I think everyone in the company, from the shareholders to the employees, should get a part of the their success. I hope you guys at Blue Bottle unionize and get some of that pie. Maybe in stocks and/or profit sharing.

[@ccubsfan94]

Sure, they made 1 million and you make 27k. But also realize the cost of a 27k wage is about 35-40k on the back end with insurance and benefits. Just the workers with 2 staff rotating 2 times would be about 7 in my guess. So over 250k in wages not including a manager. That doesnt include cost of materials or location. They act like the material just randomly appears

[@expedition346]

whereas the materials are…made by underpaid laborers in the tropics

[@hairypotter259]

Well guess I'm never buying from Blue Bottle again lol

[@CalebWolf]

The sad truth is...people will still patronize the business. Look at Starbucks...

[@bassandtrebleclef]

It's quite the bougie ripoff.

[@4ae109]

its generally easy to detect companies like this when they clearly spend more on their advertisements and personality than they do on their product. a small coffee shop doesnt really care about printing their logo on cups or bean bags.

[@Ketowski]

@@4ae109 Sounds like some political party leaders.

[@weird-guy]

So before it was cool, in my country ~97% of coffee shops are all independent, people working there all earn minimum wage😂

[@jmmywyf4lyf]

You make the same pay that someone who does backbreaking physical labor works. You just make coffee. And you're expecting to make what real workers make this is disgusting, don't expect a career salary for a high school child's job

[@ChellyB71]

Back breaking workers need higher wages as well then! 40 hours of work a week needs to provide a living wage!

[@jmmywyf4lyf]

@@ChellyB71 when were you idiots learn all that does is give the government more tax revenue. Your cost of living goes up with your pay! I am a millennial, my wife is a teacher, webhave 4 kids, and even we just bought our 2nd home.. We make less than $60k combined! We just dont require luxuries like cell phones, new cars, expansove clothing, etc.. Its more than doable

[@mr.d7237]

Workers should pool their money and start their own cafe and keep all the profit

[@SgtJoeSmith]

yeah they should. the workers who created nestle and all the other corporations did. Oh but they would have to pay someone else their fair share while they settle for any scraps left over.

[@weird-guy]

They couldn’t keep it afloat with this mentality

[@GameFuMaster]

@@SgtJoeSmith yeah, anyone who came in after everything is set up, would get a disproportionate amount of money for the little input they had.

[@SgtJoeSmith]

@GameFuMaster I've had a business for 20 years. I can't get anyone to pass out flyers and get the customers and provide own tools for 80% of the profit. But that's your job to get the customers and provide the tools they cry. Yes and that's why I get paid 100% of profit for my living wage for doing so. And I'm talking 30,000 people turned down $100,000 to $300k year in profits

[@ngf5077]

Lmao. Have you ever met any of these people? They don’t trust each other let alone themselves. They can’t start anything

[@MaddMag]

I am 100% for blue bottle unionizing. I am a former blue bottle employee (see profile pic). The management that I worked with directly was incredible, the store manager and all my shift leads etc… were some of the best that I have encountered in the coffee industry. However, it is totally true that this is a more palatable front organization for nestle. There were a lot of rules, even down to how long a shot could be. If you are a skilled barista, you know that you need to manipulate a lot of variables to get great coffee. Yet they wont allow you to pull shots over or under a certain time/weight, even if that would best suit the coffee. It was the first tike I had so many corporate rules as a barista restricting me be from being the best barista I could be. also the amount of money the store would make vs how much we got paid was pretty bad.

[@AltruisticWarrior]

And as companies continue to consolidate, the workers AND customers will both get shafted increasingly worse. Why? Less competition means less job options so, employers don't have to compete as much to hire workers. Customers? Well we all know how that's going. Every quarter needs increased profits and there are only so many ways to accomplish that. Raise the prices, make the product smaller or cheaper, hire cheaper workers, lay off existing workers or cut benefits. I don't care who the current president is, our system is inherently flawed in this way. Corporate consolidation is just speeding up the process. For the first time in our nation's history, the interest the government owes now surpasses what it brings in annually. The fall has begun, just make sure to not hit the ground hard. Network with as many people as you can, keep a reasonable amount of emergency supplies and heck, get some chickens and learn how to tend a garden. Even if my warning was somehow wrong, these are things people can do to live a higher quality of life.

[@SparkyWrench]

Part of me says "yeah you should be paid more". The other part makes me wonder why you aren't working somewhere else that WILL pay you more. What is it that you offer the company that they can't pay another person to do the same thing? Ok, so the company is paying you $144 per day. Yet they are also paying for realestate, equipment, marketing, supplies, power, water, human resources, legal, taxes, payroll, etc. Why shouldn't the business and shareholders make money off of their ability to provide all this? Why shouldn't their knowledge and connections be profitable? Maybe you're just upset because your market value is that of a cup of coffee?

[@Byrd21590]

Who makes a career out of making coffee drinks? Are we so unwilling to settle for not being doctors, lawyer and engineers that we have to unionize baristas? Set your standards higher.

[@expedition346]

why dont you go be a doctor or something?

[@Byrd21590]

@@expedition346 I am good. I like what I do and the pay isn’t bad either. I am sure these people like what they do but it’s all about what you choose. If you choose an entry level job you get paid entry level wages. If you don’t like the wages you move on, not cry about it.

[@whatgoesaroundcomesaround920]

No matter how many could-have-been-a- baristas get MBAs, MDs, and PhDs, and glut the higher paying job market, SOMEBODY has to be a great barista or the dishwasher or ...? And those people, whom you seem to disdain, can't all be teenagers or part-time students. They have to make a living wage HERE AND NOW, not sometime down the road. Labeling something a "starter" job doesn't mean you get to underpay the work. Every person working full time should receive a living wage. Period.

[@Byrd21590]

@@whatgoesaroundcomesaround920 No, what do they need to make 100k making coffee. That is unreasonable. Period.

[@HubertofLiege]

You’ll be replaced by robots and newcomers, and you’ll be to blame. Good job.

[@expedition346]

passive voice doing the heavy lifting here

[@_Epictetus_]

Big companies are bad but understand what the daily breakdown is for a company. You aren't seeing the bigger picture of the total cost to run a business.

[@LordWaterBottle]

In the span of a single lifetime CEO pay has ballooned from 40 times the entry worker to 365 times the entry worker. C-Suites have not increased their productivity 9 times faster than actual workers. They have merely exploited their position as the decision makers with weakening unions. The actual cost to operate corporations is substantially less than their revenues, otherwise they would not have profits. McDonald's pays two to five times as much in European countries compared to America, they can afford to pay Americans living wages too.

[@weird-guy]

😂 I’m European they get minimum wage, meaning 820€ in my country

[@LordWaterBottle]

@@weird-guy Is that a weekly pay rate? If so the America federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour(like 7€ /hour), which American McDonald's does pay in some areas. IF you got a full 40 hours per week that would be $290/week or about $1,160/month (about 1.085€/month) IF you were actually scheduled full time. You're more likely to get half that so that McDonald's isn't required to offer you health insurance. Remember that we have to pay for our own healthcare monthly and at point of service. To take a random example, Dutch minimum wage is 13,27€/hour ($14.19/hour), which translates to 530,80€/week($567.72/week) at 40 hours or 2.123,20€/month ($2270.63/month), so about double the American minimum.

[@cpK054L]

​@LordWaterBottle How much of the CEO pay is liquid? What was the growth rate of the overall market in that year? What are his filings with the SEC? you guys look at the outside but not the details. That leads to disingenuous conversations

[@nickthompson1812]

@@LordWaterBottle people are so weird to focus on CEO pay, when CEO pay is merely $30 million of the $10s of BILLIONS the company takes home in profits every year. You realize 1 million is 0.1% of 1 billion? You’re barking up the wrong tree and it screams jealously. Focus on the shareholders.

[@CJ-hv7nq]

Inflation crushes small businesses

[@burchified]

boss makes 3500 while i make 144, thats why i shit on the bathroom floor

[@NoName-ik2du]

But then it's just another underpaid employee that has to clean that up, not the person raking in the ridiculous profits.

[@Aquapike]

Stop shitting on the bathroom floor. Shit on the boss or on the bosees's doorstep.

[@SgtJoeSmith]

boss spent a million dollars to create jobs while you arent even potty trained explains the pay difference better.

[@sarahrose9944]

Only agree if it’s in the CEO’s personal bathroom

[@RyanStorm0]

@@SgtJoeSmithlol, go lick some more boots

[@artivan111]

When people finally wake up, they will realise that ALL corporate brands work on this 'slave' labour method. And if you aren't prepared to do the hard yards for next to nothing, they now have thousands of illegal immigrants who are more than happy to! Hellooooooo 👋

[@001sander2]

Every wage should be a living wage.

[@MarcPagan]

No..low skilled jobs are for teenagers and college students.

[@001sander2]

@@MarcPagan no, low skilled business managers need to be fired if they're unable to pay proper wages.

[@haleybrown2836]

Agree. It is scandalous that communities have to support people who are working just so that Walmart and others can continue to make maximum profits.

[@MarcPagan]

@@001sander2 congrats on winning the Day's Most Ignorant Comment award ...so far :) Bonus points for Beta Maleness! ...posting from a fake name, and keyboard. Shoo, pretend adult.

[@nickthompson1812]

$17 an hour is a living wage. How much more do you want? This has to stop. Being a barista is unskilled work that 95% of working age people could do. How much should they be paid? How much should a coffee cost if consumers are willing to pay $7 per coffee?

[@BillyWillicker]

ALL of this is elective. You don't have to work for what they are offering in compensation.

[@1diagram]

To all the people commenting out here about how they shouldn’t expect a living wage (basic ability to pay rent and eat, get health insurance etc) from a retail job. I hear this a lot, as if retail is a job for high school kids. Who works all these jobs during the day? Who stocks the grocery stores overnight or works in the butcher shop or unloads trucks with thousands of cases of product you shop through? Who works in kitchens? Who opens up businesses like coffee shops at 5am? Who runs gas stations? Millions of adults (not high-school kids) who need to pay rent or a mortgage and raise families and pay doctor bills and feed and clothe themselves. All the services you use every day have to employ adults. For the people who keep insulting these adults by calling them unskilled workers, I would really like to see you unload 27 pallets off of a truck at 11pm , break them all down and stock an entire grocery store in 6-8 hours or go into a bakery at 2 am and bake bread for hours or work in a coffee shop dealing with the public 8 hours a day and then have people telling you that you are unskilled, that you shouldn’t complain about anything and that your job could be done by a high school kid. Long ago running or working in a shop was considered a career. Somewhere along the way people frankly just started crapping on and belittling all the people that provide these services to us daily. It does take skill. It’s hard work. They deserve a fair wage and shouldn’t have to struggle to make ends meet if they are working full time.

[@weird-guy]

First I’m not American, second I believe in a livable wage but truth its is a minimum wage job third they arguments are stupid so how anyone is going to take them seriously? Revenue isn’t profit nestle just because it owns 64% doesn’t mean shit they can be bleeding money ect If you want to fight the power you need to be rational and have real solution otherwise you just show your ignorance and why you earn less

[@GameFuMaster]

lol, running or working in a shop that YOU owned was a career. These jobs used to be part time jobs by mothers whose children were at school. Another small thinker who thinks "laborious" is equal to "high skilled".

[@1diagram]

@@GameFuMaster respectfully you clearly haven’t worked in or know anything about retail. One of the retail businesses I managed (grocery stores)had a staff of over 350 people, all over 18 and 70% full time. Why are you so against full time workers making a good wage? Why do have to mock the fact that I said many of these jobs require skills ( I didn’t say high skilled) ? Do you want a bunch of unskilled people handling the food you buy?

[@GameFuMaster]

@@1diagram i'm not against them making a good wage. If they were as in demand as they think they are, they would be paid a lot. You know... like lawyers?

[@nickthompson1812]

@@GameFuMaster sorry buddy, do you not recall the “essential workers” of pandemic 2020? They were some of the mostly highly demanded workers, yet pay didn’t reflect that. Everybody NEEDED to go to the grocery store, the demand was astronomical, but so was the supply most likely.

[@thetony0185]

They are not alone, the average wage in America has been flat for 40yrs while CEO pay has gone through the roof, and the prices of things have gone up continuously!

[@cityguyable]

Do they pay them in estrogen? The dysmorphia is stronger than the coffee.

[@comicguyenator]

Then go and open your own coffee / latte shop and see how hard it is!! Or just quit if you feel undervalued. So much crying. GIVE ME A BREAK!!

[@Jinchuricki27]

The entire system is a conflict of interest, corporations are a huge factor in the cost of living, they also decide how much you get paid, and on top of that, their loyalty is to the shareholder. It's designed to only benefit the few and the wealthy. A handful of unions is great, but the problem is systemic.

[@MrLennart1976]

Nope, nothing wrong with that system. Only with the unique american way of implementing that system since the 80s. Capitalism and socialism can and should coexist, a society just need to stop viewing them as opposites.

[@94115david]

I make my own coffee.... They waste a lot of plastic which does not decompose. Same with Starbucks. Can we get the corporation out of coffee houses? Can you guys unionize??? What is holding you back?

[@ngf5077]

Why don’t they start their own coffee show and keep 100% of the revenue? Even if they only sell 1 cup/hour they still make more than they currently do. There are no other costs besides the baristas wage that stands between the sale of the coffee and profit.

[@erikmccauley2088]

Rent, marketing, supplies like sugar;milk;cups; etc.. ,yearly registration fees to various organizations in MA, BOP insurance, fees to license music if you want that in your space, amortized build out fees, workers compensation insurance if you plan on hiring people, probably some utilities, maintenance and janitorial services (optional unless your $50k espresso machine breaks). Some kind of card processor that comes with a fee. That's just stuff off the top of my head. If they are savvy enough they would still make money but there's no way they are gonna be able to afford rent in a nice area in Boston if they are competing with nestle

[@ngf5077]

@@erikmccauley2088 dont waste money on those things. Keep it simple. Sell coffee and keep the profit

[@gabrielsatter]

​@@erikmccauley2088 Don't step on the joke. God I hope his content was a joke.

[@robertlloyd122]

Why? Oh... for SO many reasons. (Some of which have already been posted here.) Do you REALLY wanna know?

[@erikmccauley2088]

@@gabrielsatter state licensing boards and business problems temporarily wiped humor off my hard drive.. sorry guys.

[@shantanubapat6937]

You make all that much coffee with infrastructure and raw materials that nestle provided and the customers come to you for Nestle not you. If you think you can make all that profit and nestle dosen't deserve that much then go ahead and start a competing coffee.

[@cynthialangley7338]

Go! Union strong!

[@ngf5077]

If you’re in the bottom half of the workforce they are great. Professionals(doctors/engineers/social workers) get reduced wages in societies that are heavily unionized. Denmark is a great example of this.

[@theripleyeffect5203]

I'm sure alot of people would like to make that much a day. You were hired to make the drinks. You don't own the company. I don't see the problem.

[@modemlooper]

I stopped Blue Bottle as soon as Nestle took it over.

[@waylonk2453]

Good on ya, modem.

[@pakhyeoncheol]

I had no idea of the nestle relationship or pay issues the places are so beautiful and clean and the employees were always so chill it’s crazy how little they’re getting paid

[@BillAshtonNelo]

Take out a loan. Use your house as collateral or car or grandmas ring whatever. Start your own coffee shop.

[@AK-47ISTHEWAY]

They may be adults, but they have the mentality of children. They don't know the first thing about operating a business.

[@weird-guy]

Bankrupt in a week 😂

[@expedition346]

a myth

[@michaelalmasian4710]

For a Swiss company, they’re not neutral about rapacious capitalism. I’m endlessly proud of Gen Z. It’s what GenX could have been but we prioritized getting fat, voting for traitors, and bitching about masks.

[@haleybrown2836]

What's so appalling about this, I am sure in Switzerland, just like in most European countries, they have minimum labor standards.

[@gavinshickle1814]

It never ceases to amaze me how easily people speak the language of "exploitation". Do you even realise that you're just saying the exact same thing that others have been saying for decades at this point? Do you even realise that this has been happening since before you were born? When are people going to do something real and compete with the corporate structure as it exists? And when will you stop insisting that you "create" all this value for these companies? If not for the consumer you would be "creating" nothing. If people stopped coming into your store tomorrow the company would still be legally obligated to pay you for your hours worked even though no revenue was being generated. When will people stop regurgitating the tired rhetoric of people like Bernie Sanders and Robert Reich? Live the words that were so well received from Barrack Obama. Be the change you seek. Considering that are tens of MILLIONS of people who spout this same garbage all day long, statistically speaking, there should be at least 10% of you who have the means to start a competing business. And since you're so convinced that "workers create the value" they should do very well for themselves while changing the business landscape in this country until the end of time. But that will NEVER happen so you've left the playing field wide open to those who don't give a damn what you have to say. Get off your back sides and do something real for gods sake.

[@haleybrown2836]

To your point, neoliberalism is nothing but a throw back of old economics where a tiny minority lived in splendor and the rest barely survived.

[@nickthompson1812]

The people complaining they don’t get paid enough statistically speaking, should have 10% of their population with enough money to start a business? Come again?

[@gavinshickle1814]

@@nickthompson1812 I said there are tens of millions of people that believe the same things. Which is something completely different from what you just said. But even if you were comparing apples to apples they still believe in collectivism so collectively the same result should be achievable.

[@greenpinapple820]

​@gavinshickle1814 so what youre saying is; all these people who you disgaree with are a monoloth and are stupid and lazy?... thats really nuanced and mature. You seem like a nice guy Gavin.

[@expedition346]

what? starting businesses requires capital and/or borrowing power. not many people have that. “statistically speaking” you are just speaking out of your ass

[@Woodshedphilosophy]

Pay for the inflated costs of the storefront, the insane liberal city/state taxes, pay the licensing/permits, pay for the supplies and materials,pay workers who do a simple task, then try to make a profit

[@OgdenM]

Ok so the person that said they can make their wages in 7 mins or whatever and the rest of the hour is pure profit is wrong. Companies DO have over head costs. The profit probably doesn't kick in until about the 20-30 min mark of their job. ... and yes that is still WAY to much. Profits should be locked to 5% for all companies.

[@weird-guy]

He is dumb that why employers don’t take this type of people seriously

[@GameFuMaster]

Buy shares in the company then

[@ngf5077]

EZ. Just pay the executives more until profit falls below 5%

[@OgdenM]

@@GameFuMaster , you first have to have money to be able to invest in companies. And let's be clear about investing in the first place; even micro investing like through Robinhood. All it does is make the wealthy more wealthy. 100 people investing $100 in a stock where a share is $500 just increases the wealth of those that have money and own more stocks.

[@GameFuMaster]

@@OgdenM lol, highly profitable businesses start off from somewhere. At some point, there must have been no business, then someone took the risk and the effort to start one. And maybe in their lifetime the business was not very profitable. But then they passed it onto their son, then his son, then his son until it became profitable. But a random passerby like you suddenly says he's entitled to an equal share as though you were part of the legacy. I have to wonder if people like you were ever raised in a family.

[@EcomCarl]

The unionization efforts by Blue Bottle workers in Massachusetts highlight a crucial conversation about fair compensation in the coffee industry. It's important for companies to align their public image with their internal practices, ensuring workers are valued as much as the brand itself. 🌱

[@namastemcl]

These employees seem so articulate . I feel that they are well educated…are they not able to find a career that pays more than these incredibly low wages???

[@keithwisdom1663]

I think there a segment of workers who are. College educated but rather work low pressure jobs to maintain their peace of mind. And to not have to deal with politics and stressful long hours 😊

[@petiteange08]

They also look quite young so could be college students. They would need to plan work around school schedule which make it harder to find job not in service/retail

[@SgtJoeSmith]

they too lazy to mow yards

[@mikeymullins5305]

Maybe check your expectations of non college educated people. You don't have to go to college to be articulate or smart. And if they are college educated, why shouldn't they work whatever job they choose. Someone has to do this.

[@SgtJoeSmith]

@@mikeymullins5305 they can do what ever job they choose. for what ever pay is offered. If its not enough then too bad. dont need college to pour coffee

[@drew34000]

Revenue does not equal profit. I'm not discounting your point, but you need to redo your math.

[@timothyreed616]

What’s frustrating is that not one employee has mentioned the cost of business, Nestlé is well diversified and not all profits are from blue bottle, it is so frustrating that people are so selfish to not even understand that staying in business has so many other costs. Sure fighting for better wages is cool but being so ignorant of all the logistics and costs associated with running a barista is just foolish and immature. Please prove to me that starting and running a small chain of coffee shops is so easy. Take the freaking risk, put every penny that you have on the line, go purchase equipment and supplies. Work day and night to establish a foot hold and hire employees and pay them a fair living wage. Quit asking others to do it for you do it yourself and show the world how easy it is.

[@SomeDumUsrName]

They’re amazingly blind/ ignorant of all that. Their confidence and outspokenness is so ironic. Delusion?

[@expedition346]

they are quite literally doing it themselves by unionizing

[@timothyreed616]

@@expedition346 creating nothing, risking nothing but demanding everything. So frustrating that people will leach off of risk takers. Baristas asking for a living wage, for a bare minimum skillset job. Probably should fix the economy before it collapses before we start demanding more. Crazy

[@robertmoffett3486]

What a world of Hoople! You get a "share" when you own part of the company. They're unskilled drones who are lucky to have jobs. There's a difference between getting money, and making money. If they want bigger pay, they'd better make themselves worth more.

[@Srode1999]

If making lattes is so profitable,why don't they open their own cafes and create all of that value for themselves?

[@David-bi6lf]

Another deluded comment thinks opening your own business is as easy as taking a sh*t. All while probably having little disposable income after bills. Yes easy as that, who gives them the vast sums of money required exactly 😂😂

[@handywithducttape4824]

None of them have any discretionary income. The employer only pays them what he thinks they will need to show up for work the next day. Their wages are engineered to keep them in chains. Modern day slaves, so to speak. Boss man will never pay you enough to go into business and compete with him.

[@expedition346]

baristas are not known to have enough capital nor borrowing power to start a business

[@ytguy726]

what about utilities, employee burden, insurance, rent for the building, interest on borrowings, materials for the coffee including coffee beans, coffee cup, risk of going under if business can't generate enough sales, risk of lawsuit from customer, risk of change in customer preferences. employees bare none of those risks/costs. just saying.

[@ytguy726]

that being said coffee shop employees do work very hard

[@SgtJoeSmith]

they forgot to mention $30k a month rent and utilities for the cafe and $15 an hour per employee in taxes and insurance and benefits

[@doggodoggo3000]

oh so maybe universal healthcare might take alot of pressure off of businesses?

[@futurethinking]

Rent for these stores are like 6k a month in Boston, and even that is due to another type of corporate grid, BlackRock type. and if you pay 12$ hourly wages, all other stuff added together is 3$ at best. So stop the bullshitting. This country desperately need a reset on how much of income goes to Capital vs Labour.

[@SgtJoeSmith]

@@doggodoggo3000 yeah if everyone even the poor paid a 30% flat tax and 25% sales tax like SWEDEN!

[@bradchristy8429]

@@doggodoggo3000No. That money has to come from somewhere. And it comes from taxpayers. But, hey…. I’m all for universal healthcare. We all pay the same. From Elon Musk to Homeless Joe. We’re all human, and it’s supposedly a human right, right? I mean, we’re all going to use it the same, proverbially, so we should all pay the same, right? Or are you really not interested in “UNIVERSAL” anything? What you really mean is for someone else to pay your bills, right?

[@bradchristy8429]

@@futurethinkingMost retail business operate on a 5% profit margin, at best. You really have no clue what goes into keeping a business’ doors open. I’m betting $30K/mo wouldn’t come close to covering it.

[@Oxazepam65]

If people think they are being exploited, they should change job or start their own business.

[@Bleilock1]

If they dont have bread they should eat cake

[@simonestreeter1518]

Or, join a union.

[@philsipad]

I'm sure she starts making every cup by first planting the coffee seed.

[@seriouslyshortofnormal925]

Don't care. You're choosing to be there.

[@navajojohn9448]

is there a line on their birth certificate saying they must serve coffee and work for Nestle?

[@vogelvogeltje]

Is there a law saying nestle should exist?

[@robertlloyd122]

I'm not familiar with Blue Bottle but appreciate this warning.

[@ksegg_ffs]

All that matters to any company - are its investors. If you're not making millionaires richer, you don't matter.

[@vivalaleta]

This is why capitalism sucks.

[@am529]

it’s not possible for most to start a business without investors though, which is part of the problem

[@GameFuMaster]

@@am529 Is it a problem when a farmer, who planted the seeds for fruit trees, nurtured them and let them grow over many years to gain more profit than the fruit pickers who come in at the very last minute?

[@Hella916]

These are “starter” jobs… Not career jobs 🙄🤦🏻‍♂️