Why Can't YouTubers Make Good Music?

[@joedy0]

Joji broke the cycle

[@Ivorys_slushie]

Real, both joji and lilac boy

[@Ramonatho]

No he didn't. His old stuff goes way harder. If anything he inverted the cycle. Turned it inside out.

[@jivelane]

quadeca

[@Justsomething247]

​@@Ramonatho Never Letting You Have A Music Opinion Again...

[@yaboilone]

No he didn't, joji been ass since he got into 88rising

[@BigCMiner]

The mention of Wilbur here is certainly interesting timing

[@Nooely]

Why would the be? The recent stuff doesn’t negate all the music he made and what he achieved

[@frog3277]

@@NooelyFair, but I personally love the band he’s in Lovejoy. It’s actually music not what KZbinrs call music

[@Nooely]

@@frog3277 That’s what I meant?

[@setster007]

I live under a rock. Please explain what is auspicious about this timing.

[@Campion_7]

​@@setster007apparently he's an abuser and kinda weird

[@jusdincassey]

You forgot kwite exists “balls touchin when we fuckin that’s connect 4”

[@jusdincassey]

💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥

[@bigcheddarboss]

real asf

[@SporianSummit]

that shit was ass

[@Nano-Nova]

Kwite is like... one of the only KZbinrs good at making songs. "I'm a young hoodie chillin' on a coat hanger (Hangin!) When we fuckin' I'm gettin' used like a scabbard Lights in my computer look like Crystal Cavern, whip with the period interior, that blood splatter"

[@SporianSummit]

dude's is mediocre at best

[@jojo0807]

Something i think worth mentioning is that most of the KZbinrs that actually made good music when they were active on youtube, were already active musicians. Joji, Neil Cicierega, Dan Avidan, they were all making music before youtubing was any major part of their lives.

[@camelat7228]

and so was vinny with red vox

[@daanmani409]

Fun fact: A few years ago there was a dutch youtuber who decided to go do music for a living and he is now going to the eurovision as the representative for the netherlands. His name is Joost Klein

[@UPN277]

fr (short comment but it is what it is)

[@geraldlang6537]

Europapa is such a banger

[@duifmethoed]

1983 (!!!)

[@pansmile9158]

He was a youtuber??? What? Europapa is soo good though. :)

[@daanmani409]

@@pansmile9158 eenhoornjoost :)

[@Cyphon]

ngl skipping over PewDiePie's tracks and Markiplier's and Jacksepticeye's meme songs about games was a very large piece of youtube history being thrown out

[@Robertybob_]

Bro also seemed to skip the Markiplier songs from Heist & Space with Markiplier! Bruhhh 😭

[@btf_flotsam478]

He touched upon them; they were sort of a hybrid between the parody rip-off songs and the KZbinrs writing bad songs, in that they were KZbinrs writing songs taking electronic music and mixing in their random gaming stuff. Yes, it is a massive part of KZbin musical history, but everyone and their dog would know they weren't trying to be mainstream. Heck, they more closely resemble the Sparta remix than serious music.

[@hinka9391]

Tbh I don't think they can be counted as songs in the same context as the other ones here. They're mostly remixes or songs being made with their likeness by other creators.

[@your_sebii]

Tobuscus

[@muhammadaltairaufa4178]

@@your_sebii i like how you think

[@DrKoneko]

Finding out pink guy and JoJi are the same person is like experiencing every single trap from every home alone movie all at the exact same time.

[@sticklyboi]

you might be the last guy to figure that out

[@DrKoneko]

@@sticklyboi I've known for years, but it still always gets me

[@jasongts]

Nah bruh.. I JUST found out from this video. I always wondered whatever happened to ‘filthy frank’ so that’s what he does now! Good for him.

[@pheebsvv]

i love joji, and i used to watch filthy frank but i JUST found out joji is THE pink guy 💀💀

[@Yasglov10]

@@DrKoneko 13:34 YG my n

[@saintmidas_8716]

Quadeca transcended

[@astrut]

so real

[@iwantsomepie]

Quadeca should be a grammy nominee fr, scrapyard is a beauty

[@oisindyer-causton5621]

it's gotten to the point where a decent chunk of his fans have never watched his channel

[@Idk44488]

The goat, literally clicked on this video to see if he was mentioned as one of the ones that were good

[@s0LLagal]

I had no idea Quadeca is a KZbinr-

[@wigley7610]

Bill Wurtz: *Am I A Joke To You?*

[@ghfgh_]

Yeaaaaah

[@SmashPhoenixX]

he is a music youtuber though. music is his whole thing. the video is about normal youtubers doing music

[@CertiCertifiedC]

Jacksepticeye:

[@f.u.m.o.5669]

1:07

[@-wh-mashups2634]

corpse: (edit) didn't expect him to sh!t on corpse like that 💀 his music is honestly underrated

[@Kriiispy]

Glad to see Poppy get a mention, recently went to one of her gigs and she topped my Spotify listens in 2023 and she's currently touring with Avenged Sevenfold but I entirely understand why she isn't a global phenomenon, she seems to just be having fun with it experimenting with different genres and I'm here for it.

[@SomeOrdinaryJanitor]

you know, i never was interested because all i knew about Poppy was her avant-garde youtube channel, but now knowing she does death-metal, that explains a lot and has piqued my interest...

[@karu6111]

poppy is legit. I knew her from her music before youtube

[@Iamthesun314]

I just saw her last night at the A7X show and my dad hated it, but I thought she wasn’t bad. Certainly experimental lmao

[@zombieedrea]

I mean, she clearly doesn't need to be a global phenomenon to be successful. She's toured with fucking Deftones, to me she's made it. She also went on a co-headlining tour with PVRIS not long ago. She was always talented and interesting. It just goes to show that she's still creative and interesting after she removed the tumor that is Titanic Sinclair. Very happy she saw more success without him. Fuck that guy.

[@TheCamSays]

She even appeared in a song on the new Knocked Loose album and has had a collab with Bad Omens too.

[@explodeboy4]

people forget neil cicirega is a youtuber and when they dont he will come back like the avatar

[@moonotter]

i was looking for a neil cic comment. you are so cool

[@TheSquabsh]

LEMON DEMON MENTIONED 🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🔥‼️‼️‼️

[@deus8133]

i dont get it bro lemon demon is NOT good??? like its old and classic newgrounds flash animation nostalgia right but when are you ever gonna voluntarily listen to "Two trucks having sx my muscles my muscles involuntarily flex"????

[@moonotter]

@@deus8133 the vast majority of lemon demon songs arent joke songs. two trucks was unfortunately the one to blow up on the internet. honestly dont blame you, im a lemon demon fan but i avoid that song like the bubonic plague.

[@deus8133]

@@moonotter Ohhhhhhhhhhhh that explains a lot

[@Gmeare]

im noticing a lack of people mentioning james marriott in this comments section. actual fire.

[@HallowedOstelogist]

With good reason, his godawful vocals ruin it. Besides you seen the guy? He's a Lostprophets type case waiting to happen.

[@Gmeare]

@@HallowedOstelogistI'm personally fine with the vocals, and I dont even understand what you're saying in the secind half of the comment.

[@flowersforbenni]

@@HallowedOstelogist i agree and disagree: his vocals in his first songs were incredibly monotone and boring, despite the interesting acoustics (“Wake Up!” for example has fun and exciting music which gets muted by his monotone voice). however, james has accepted a lot of the criticism he has received and has learned a lot. in fact, his most recent songs are very good in my opinion if you are a fan of indie rock/pop. but, it all comes down to personal preference!:)

[@JunieBunny]

@@HallowedOstelogistbros mad bc he’s british

[@HallowedOstelogist]

@@JunieBunny I'm also British he's just wank

[@Gurtopolis]

I used to like wilburs music back in 2020, but now i realize its just an autobiography and not a character, which really makes it clear why he made so many red flag filled songs. the shelby situation just makes "your sister was right" sound like a song made to apologize 4-5 years prior.

[@oregano-gremlin]

Oh yeah, I really get this- I had always assumed that 'your new boyfriend' was a joke, but now that everything's coming out I'm not so sure.

[@joao_13_08]

honestly, as a strong advocate of differentiating art from the artist, i genuinely find them to still be just funny songs. "Your New Boyfriend" is literally just irony in my eyes. Even with everything that's coming out, I will still listen to Wilbur's music just because I genuinely like it regardless of what he did / does. It brings me back to the late night voice calls with my friends during quarantine where we barely slept, paid no attention to classes, played minecraft all day and night, but, above all, it was a ton of fun, they're awesome memories. Art ≠ Artist.

[@asti50-silly]

its an extremely heavy topic, and as someone who has consumed literally all wilbur content in obsession ive come to enjoy the music even more knowing its deep rooted personal meaning, wilbur is a masterful writer, not a good person. i wish this drama would of come out after the next lovejoy album which i doubt we will be seeing released any time soon

[@liamleviroberts6856]

I feel similarly i can't listen to his personal stuff but I always bop out to a lovejoy song

[@edray_utopia]

Ooooohhh yeah... 😬 Me too, and frankly, I do like his music. The issue was that I always had a hunch that it wasn't just a persona because of the way he acted in his videos and with others, as well as the fact that ALL of his music has a melodramatic vibe that either victimizes him or antagonizes someone else, with little emotional maturity in sight. -not to be that guy and say something like, "I saw this coming," because I didn't, but it was a hunch!

[@dropmaestros3680]

Fun fact: in Eastern Europe, if a KZbinr ends up creating music, there is a 70% chance of it being rap and 30% chance of it being some 2014 YTP Pop.

[@s0dalici0us]

what about ICEPEAK

[@dropmaestros3680]

@@s0dalici0us Not a KZbinr

[@QTwoSix]

As a slav I disagree, 45% YTP.

[@endrjudesu3896]

@@QTwoSix As a fellow salv I agree.

[@Hithere-uz6wd]

In random continent i make up fact

[@BradTasteInMusicOfficial]

Jake Paul sweep

[@satelliteimagerymusic]

Brad on a Liam Anthony video???

[@RowOnTheG0]

Buy that, merch, buy that, merch

[@eclipsegaleocerdo]

Omg bwad :)))))

[@criscriscrisX3]

omg bradley tasting music no way

[@ggunkp1]

182 likes which means you gotta listen to blink 182s entire discography (please)

[@YusBRGamer]

I mean, just because it's a joke song, doesn't mean it's bad. It's all about the vibe, whether a joke or not. Music is for creativity and fun. Plus to be fair, the hunger games song by BajanCanadian was 100% better than Decisions by Borgore. And Find the Pieces, Take Back the Night, and Dragonhearted were literally original songs.

[@rodrigoruivo5127]

He never said joke songs were ban. He meant that people usually dont listen on a regular basis to joke songs.

[@thecluckster3908]

LIVING TOMBSTONE SWEEP 🗣️

[@moaPro]

More of a musician who posts on KZbin rather than a KZbinr who makes music

[@thecluckster3908]

@@moaPro yeah I guess but they were a musician really in with KZbin culture, were birthed from it, and stayed on it for the longest time.

[@Musicman995]

NUH UH

[@Stevegut]

@@moaPro living tombstone got his start back in the MLP days, i would say at first he was a youtuber, but then very quickly became more of a musician than an actual youtuber.

[@ebixq]

he is psih

[@gingergamer3270]

I like Danny Gonzalez' music, but I think his style of comedy and wit works well in the songs and comes across as not taking itself seriously.

[@Cressyn]

Yessss 🔥🔥🔥

[@presidentialyaoi]

IM IN LOVE W YOU OMG I WAS GONNA TALK AB DANNY🙏🙏🙏

[@ziippolighter]

absolutely

[@chloeeig]

he has an ok voice

[@justanotherweirdo11]

This video is over now~ (over now~)

[@Ohsev]

Vinny aint the only Vinesauce member who makes music, Joel has a straight up metal band called scythelord, and he also sometimes makes entire comedy albums about skeletons and bootleg robocop toys

[@aleferriello]

Joel's Super Ghostbusters is the best album made by an youtuber, ever (So good he had to launch a Deluxe Edition)

[@Ohsev]

@@aleferriello hard agree

[@206hxcx]

sex in minecraft by jotel is one of the most moving and delicately crafted masterpieces of the modern era, highly reccomend :^ )

[@bruhmoment3106]

That aren’t comedy skits? He has the talent but he has no drive to make anything

[@minimanbeast1014]

Hey, remember thoes two times he made absolute bangers whilst using a realy shitty drag and drop music maker fucking live

[@onlinestonedogii]

Man it’s rlly simple. Making music is something you train and get better at with experience and feedback. All musicians go through a beginner phase where they write pure ass before improving and finding their own creative voices (or figuring out the formula to finesse the most money). When that finally happens, they start getting the opportunities to get popular and make the rounds. Non musician famous people like youtubers or actors who decide to make music circumvent that process entirely. They already have audiences, so their first releases instantly become high profile regardless of quality. They don’t need to get into the groove of honing their craft so that it becomes successful because it already is by nature of being attached to their brand. This is really evident with someone like dream. That mask song scans like one of the first things you’d write if you were just starting to make alternative pop, it might even be a first draft for all we know. It being shit wouldn’t be an issue for any other beginner artist though because being crap at art is a necessary first step towards becoming not crap at art, but dream is already popular, so his half baked first attempts get blasted across the whole world. The whole thing is just embarrassing to see every time it happens. I’m already deeply ashamed by the demos I made when I was starting out and no one even heard those, so I can only imagine what it must feel like some 2 or 3 years down the road for these KZbinrs to look back at these songs.

[@onlinestonedogii]

Damn you said the same shit in the video, but more more long winded. Oh well.

[@v.v.9.9.]

Troye Sivan has successfully made the transition. Most people have no idea he used to be a youtuber.

[@roeland34]

I didn't even know he used to be a KZbinr that's crazy

[@d4nkdesu]

I mean that's the thing... if they do it successfully then they'd start to be called a music artitst rather than a youtuber. I mean you really can't have enough time to balance both professions.

[@agaldoo]

yo isnt that floyd from trolls???

[@agaldoo]

i know ill get lots of hate for this

[@v.v.9.9.]

@@agaldoo I have no idea of who that is

[@biteof78]

Quadeca sweep

[@liamanthonyfr]

saw this one coming, in record time no less.

[@snowless456]

@@liamanthonyfrcmon bro he literally got a 9 from Fantano what u expect 😭

[@acidmonster]

QUAD DID

[@Ecstacy333]

Quark did

[@Yuh_Yuh_Yuh_Yuh_x2]

@SilaenNase yeah but im a fantano glazer

[@Fortnitedude72]

Softwilly and The Group have all made amazing music

[@nuuskamuikkunen7784]

Well yea but yk their youtube content is very music centered. They are more like soundcloud rappers who also happen to make youtube videos

[@kergrit]

@@nuuskamuikkunen7784Softwilly’s channel is, but the others are primarily focused on YT, streaming, and their podcast AFAIK

[@Fortnitedude72]

@nuuskamuikkunen7784 They had rappers on their music, but The Group themselves were not, at the time of their music dropping they were just discord creators and Yumi was Siege boy

[@erysisnthere]

@@nuuskamuikkunen7784their youtube content preceded any kind of music that they made by multiple years, they branched out and especially yumi took to it very well, releasing Lost which is a super good album, imo.

[@Colyl0R]

@@nuuskamuikkunen7784 What are you talking about

[@silverpmk]

anyone else getting this recommended after KSI's new song? 😭😭🙏

[@TheOneUnforgivenLuna]

Yes

[@Shikkhito-Chhotolok]

This guy is Dreams and Matpats love child.

[@DeviemTwen]

A sprinkle of Anthony Padilla in there too.

[@Shikkhito-Chhotolok]

Exactly

[@Marder_IFV]

holy shit yall are right

[@sarminder4357]

I cant unsee it

[@Man-ej6uv]

he's like if human shrek was an e boy idk how to feel about it

[@arieldavidlevy]

Quadeca legit has the #1 album on AOTY for 2024… and he wasn’t even mentioned once in this 😭😭

[@TroublingGem40]

there was a picture of him in the diss tracks section 🤷‍♂

[@arieldavidlevy]

@@TroublingGem40 yeah but no real mention… kind of felt weird to go over the whole history of KZbinr Music without even mentioning arguably greatest to be doing it right now

[@thecluckster3908]

@tubbolard6514wait where?

[@gutshadalittlepimp]

it´s a good album, #1 is too much tho

[@Bigjar420]

Probably cuz he’s moved passed the title of KZbin musician

[@Friggy]

Fully expected a little Lovejoy discussion during the Wilbur section

[@Kelebora]

I think the reason he doesnt talk about lovejoy is because most of the band's members arent youtubers.

[@Friggy]

​@@Kelebora Probably, but I do think talking about Wilbur without mentioning Lovejoy does a slight disservice but the video is great. He also said he was leaving out some acts that weren't as interesting to talk about and I think the higher-quality music ventures KZbinrs have gone on are usually less popular/interesting because they don't go viral for being bad. Hence, no Quadeca reference either.

[@vincent_nix]

Exacly. Wilbur pretty much moved to music industry with Lovejoy instead of being a KZbinr/Streamer (well not fully, but in like 90%)

[@The.deadpool420]

it's unfortunate the singer had to be TRASHHHH but oh my god I loved lovejoyyy I'm so frustratedddd

[@dairyblitz]

@@The.deadpool420 same man :(

[@likegarlic5284]

Red Vox became my favorite band before I even had any idea that it’s Vinny’s band, and I think that really shows how the quality of their music is the focal point of the band, not the fact that people in it are on the internet

[@josephdabunny]

every captain sparkles song after fallen kindom wasint a parody, they were all made from the ground up and acually got pretty welll made at some points

[@LaplacianDalembertian]

anyway music as art is dead, only what remains is Show Business not music

[@josephdabunny]

@@LaplacianDalembertian lol, if u wanna be a doomer about music you can, but i disagree, i just think music changed forms, from one about expressing passion, too one that feeds on passion to create happynes

[@Dr.Priority]

@@LaplacianDalembertianmy bro has nat listened to the altlanta band mastodon

[@rr.studios]

TinyMeatGang hiding in the corner with a creepy grin.

[@duplicatesesquiplicate2692]

seriously can't believe he missed our goats TMG

[@ParagonDerp]

@@duplicatesesquiplicate2692He literally mentions them in the video

[@vampis113]

@@duplicatesesquiplicate2692 did you watch the vid, broskie?

[@TalkierSnail016]

Schmoyoho and Jackcepticeye's song 'All the Way' will forever be my favorite youtuber-made song

[@_lil_lil]

Schmoyoho actually make "meme music" that's enjoyable (see also Pewdiepie, Dan Bull, Day by Dave)

[@eggmceggen]

A bit disappointed it wasn't mentioned taken so many people made those kind of vocal edit songs and how popular they got

[@aegisScale]

I like their asdf song and world tour songs (like "Chicken Attack" and "Digoridooin' it Right") as well.

[@scorpion0498]

genuine classic

[@pickleBOB405]

KZbinrs typically make music for content, maybe to try something new, maybe for money/ views. But the point is they don't typically do it for the passion and you can hear it in their music, there's no real emotion most of the time, no real passion and that's why their music isn't usually the best.

[@yzergmail2962]

Softwilly is genuinely a creative artist that has a few solid bangers. The whole concept of multiple content creators collabing to make music in tandem with actual artists is cool.

[@SuperTakoss]

yessirrrr

[@ithinkimgabrielle]

REAAAL!! and yumi's vocals, flows and lyricism is literally inssne

[@luxter858]

Insane for a yter ​@@ithinkimgabrielle

[@R4lka]

Exacctlyyyyy, his only reason to do this was literally to prove KZbinrs can make good music

[@robotmaster4515]

Ehh it was decent

[@ultimadum7785]

Dixon Cider is unironic musical perfection. That bridge still gets stuck in my head to this day lmao.

[@Memu_]

It's seriously such a bop

[@Dougie5352]

Smosh honestly has some bangers

[@Howyanow]

Assassin’s creed song goes hard

[@undyingUmbrage413]

Surprised Danny Gonzalez never came up, honestly. He's a pretty decently sized channel. Makes comedy songs based on video topics he covers, and they're pretty good. I unironically listen to "I'm Gonna Kill Santa Claus" on loop every christmas season. Definitely the first that comes to mind for me when I think KZbinr who make good music.

[@mathcat4]

same!

[@judynyairo9791]

i guess cause he isn’t trying to make ‘mainstream’ music? they’re mostly jokes, or related to his videos

[@duatt3042]

From the SCREEN💻To the RING💍 To the PEN🖊 To the KING👑😎😎

[@jusong]

it's funny because one of my favourite musicians are dodie and Conan Gray, and at that time I discovered them as youtubers, but then I listened to their covers and original songs and grew to appreciate them as artists! now i make my own music and think how much they influenced me - while youtube has a bad rep of music in general, i wouldn't be making music if it weren't for youtube lmao

[@someonewho]

Oh!! I forgot about Dodie! I still listen to her stuff but I don’t think I’ve watched any of her YT videos in years

[@dogdog7883]

conan grey was a youtuber???

[@someonewho]

@@dogdog7883 yes??? In like 2014 ish

[@audcityyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy]

Neil Cicierega sweep

[@poopyfarts42069]

RADIO HEADDDD KID AAA

[@Ramonatho]

To be fair Neil isn't a KZbin musician, he's a Newgrounds musician

[@PalinurusPrice]

two trucks ft thom yorke

[@encryptedmaze]

two trucks

[@jayminyoel7911]

IF YOU'RE SO SURE OF YOURSELF, WHY DON'T YOU SHOW ME YOUR HAND

[@gdaydk]

I like NakeyJakey’s music

[@thatninjadude3968]

Came here looking for this. Nacob Jacob is a goated musician

[@FailureToBe]

ROMCOM is a beautiful album

[@nezzled]

ROMCOM the goat!!!

[@criticalscythus369]

Saintlike is one of my favorite songs

[@panixing]

THISSSSSSSS

[@lucigoosey7o735]

bro aint no way he called bromance "Not good" That shit was banger

[@alejandrogrillo2641]

ong

[@stellanovaluna]

Counterpoint: The Stupendium

[@TheTurtleGamer196]

Don't forget others as well, like JT Music and The Chalkeaters

[@stellanovaluna]

@@TheTurtleGamer196 true! The Stupendium is my favorite tho lol

[@uncroppedsoop]

it's about youtubers making music tho, not musicians on KZbin

[@MWNTI_Studios]

​@@uncroppedsoop Yeah. I love that there's a difference between the two.

[@proflns8558]

Literally here to vote for The Stupendium

[@raechit]

i completely forgot about the diss track era.. oh my god. there was so much slop pumped out back then. glad its not a thing anymore

[@toryslapper69]

Making a diss track about this comment

[@ofresco2]

@@toryslapper69 making a diss track about your response

[@Colyl0R]

bad slop

[@louis-nz8ce]

It was entertaining

[@Tenerens1s]

songs were terrible but god damn it was hilarious to see everyone go at each other’s throats lmfaooo

[@gamecubechair9066]

I swear Gabbie made a vine that was like her singing in the bathroom and a guy was like Guy: “Did anyone ever tell you you can sing?” Gabbie: “Yeah, actually.” Guy: “Those guys are not your friends.”

[@boothgoodies6348]

Vocaloid producers shivering in their timbers rn

[@Acro_YT]

Vocaloid mentioned

[@fatcat3506]

Never forget Post Malone was apart of team crafted back in the day

[@TheCManTV]

And speaking of team crafted SkyDoesMinecraft made music and it was good

[@Chabascus]

Love the red vox mention :) I feel for the reason their music is actually good is because Vinny is quite passionate about making music, he made stuff from even his way earlier youtube days under the name Davys Gray. Shows that he didn’t do it to get that bag, he just wanted to pursue it. Also it’s not only Vinny that was passionate about it, another band member Joe had a band before Red Vox called Happy Anarchy. The fact that they had so many people passionate about music definitely helped them I’d say. Anyway sorry for getting historic, I just love Red Vox

[@Steerable6827]

But.. QUAD DID

[@charlie.cjg15]

QUAD DID

[@Smallpupp]

QUAD DID

[@Yoyiiii]

QUAD DID

[@thecluckster3908]

QUAD DID

[@yungkabob9531]

QUAD DID

[@-Snug.as.a.bug.in.a.rug-]

I got this recommended from a Danny Gonzalez music video…

[@Scoop6464]

I’m in love with a creeper

[@dishria]

@@Scoop6464 on the low im tryna

[@YehudiNimol]

I think something you omitted from the video is the fact that Penguinz0, arguably the biggest and most popular commentary youtuber, ALSO makes music. Most of it is pretty experimental, sure, but he's pretty serious about it and some of it genuinely bangs. I still have 2019 Guy stuck in my head nonstop to this day, despite not listening to it since 2020. There are plenty of youtubers who make serious music both ironically and unironically, it's just that we tend to focus on the bad stuff.

[@uncroppedsoop]

genuinely never heard of this at all before but now I'm interested

[@scootermcpeanuts6699]

ONE NIPPLE AT A TIME SWEEP 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥

[@youtubetrial7170]

I am truth goes hard

[@_lil_lil]

Yeah, Matt Watson isn't talked about because his music, if you don't like it, is pretty inoffensive. I love it myself.

[@LoachAo]

​@_lil_lil ah, the most tragic betrayal on KZbin, my beautiful supermega boys deserved better man.

[@the1truejoe178]

Dream making a music video about his deceased friend, while trying to make it about his mental health was the most vile moment in his career.

[@ConWithUhK]

wait one of his songs was about his deceased friend??!

[@helwaania]

Yeah, it was Technoblade I think@@ConWithUhK

[@diegooazarado3411]

That song was made with help of tecnho's dad I dont see where you got that it was about his mental health

[@anglosaxiphone8246]

I feel Dream was not qualified in a proffessional point to do that. Just being a friend does not mean it was a good somg. Techno blades dad was grieving and assumed only good without realizing what the context would make people assume. Technoblade should be left to reat witbout people meat riding his name.

[@ConWithUhK]

@@helwaania but that'd be weird cause Techno hadn't passed until after those songs released, or am I thinking wrong.?

[@_indigo_inked]

Nahhhh Bromance goes hard as fuck. I will still sometimes go back and show people that video because it’s simply iconic.

[@rainbowlack]

Thank you for saying this lmao, lots of Ryan Higa's songs still slap imo. Bromance, SWG, Coffee Shop Love, and of course Nice Guys. Maybe it's just the nostalgia speaking but i will and absolutely do still listen to those👍

[@Ansytea]

YES

[@Random-ee3bo]

​@@rainbowlackcoffee shop love is a whole another mood. It's soo good

[@vpexmc]

Toxic Gossip Train goes hard frfr 🔥

[@VeeFan2]

CHOO CHOO

[@smlik]

CHUGA CHUGA

[@uwaargh500]

CHUGGING DOWN THE TRACKS OF

[@PizzA_TimE]

MISINFORMATION

[@jemheres]

THE TOXIC GOSSIP TRAAAaaaAAAaaAAAIN

[@releasio9921]

SiIvaGunner sweep

[@wetango]

PEAK MENTIONED

[@SHUTDOWNOfficial]

Yes, I am the real SiIvaGunner. Everything on the channel is made by me, SiIvaGunner.

[@releasio9921]

@@SHUTDOWNOfficial Stop making Puppy Monkey Baby rips.

[@orangeflavoredtoothpaste7420]

GRAND DAD❗️❗️ FLEENSTONES⁉️🗣🗣

[@EngiGODS358]

SMV's are better 'beit

[@petrarcheleven8816]

Red Vox mention made me happy. I think Red Vox's success is because Vinny had genuine inspiration. The type of music he makes is modeled a lot after what he grew up listening to and he had genuine passion for it.

[@gnerus1972]

RED VOX MENTIONED 🔥🔥🔴 ⁉ RED COCKS!!! 🔥🗣

[@SwizzleDrizzl]

Yeah vinny is such a music nerd it's really not surprising that red vox took off

[@charles.personal]

While it does have direct connection to vinesauce as a streamer, I feel like a large part of it is also that it isn't 'vinesauce music' for the most part, like you could listen to it without ever knowing the guy streams several times a week, or in other words, you could see it as a musician who 'happens' to stream.

[@GANONdork123]

He's also an english major so the lyrics are written by someone who actually has some expertise in launguage and writing.

[@NewD4wn]

Bro forgot Dan Bull💀

[@liamanthonyfr]

There seems to be a lot of really good music from KZbinrs that people wanted me to talk about. Maybe a video about the BEST KZbinr music in the future?

[@Kickingpro]

that would be great. pls do this. love your videos

[@Rost_a_Tost]

Please include the Starbomb albums if you’re making that, they’re quite nostalgic for me I get excited when you upload, every video of yours is brilliant

[@CriIp]

Matt Watson From supermega makes good music

[@peopleyouforgot]

Poppy

[@ender01o66]

Maybe

[@locomokuu2471]

Tobuscus clears all of these with his diamond sword song

[@TunciBalunci]

Fr, it’s original as well

[@Alo-Alois]

DO YOU LIKE MY SWORD SWORD SWORD MY DIAMOND SWORD SWORD

[@citriosis]

YOU CAN NOT AFFORD FORD FORD FORD MY DIAMOND SWORD SWORD

[@ArcAngle1117]

I had teachers actually play the nugget biscuit song in class lol

[@tundranone8366]

EVEN IF YOU COULD COULD I HAVE A PATENT

[@kingomingo9424]

James Marriott has some of the best and impactful music out there rn imo. Shit hits me deep because it’s so evidently real in how he writes the songs

[@wickedlavender]

the earliest example i know of a youtuber who was actually successful making music is troye sivan. he was part of that early 2010s vlog squad with youtubers like zoella and tyler oakley, but was so successful with music that most people don’t even know he did youtube. i was super into his first album in like 2015, and i didn’t find out he was a vlogger until a couple years after.

[@throneisbed7833]

say what you will about minecraft parodies, but the Fallen Kingdom quadrilogy is exquisite and even the slightly cringier ones like Skelly Heart are still my childhood and I will forever have a special place in my heart for them.

[@purplehaze2358]

It's worth noting that most of the exceptions to the rule in terms of KZbin creators making bad music are.. well, music channels. One of my favorite musicians is DM Dokuro, and his entire channel is almost nothing but music.

[@orlock20]

I believe the people he is looking as is KZbinrs that do music as side projects. There are people on KZbin such as Tim Pierce who has been one of the top guitar session players since the 1980s and was one of the musicians at the recent Oscars.

[@zerodiversion4509]

Honestly, most of the KZbin "songs" I liked as a kid were Minecraft Song Parodies. Did I think they were good? I thought they were fun to listen to but that is it. I do still think they are good but I think it's just my memories of nostalgia speaking more than the thoughts of a critic. It really does feel like the question with KZbinrs as Musicians would be: "Is their music good because they are talented in music or because it rides on a different kind of fame?" With the latter question, I'm thinking the logic of you looked for the song because it was about a video game you like, as is the case with Minecraft Song Parodies. I only learned about Living Tombstone because he made songs about Five Nights at Freddy's or DAGames when he made songs about Bendy and the Ink Machine. Yeah, most of the KZbinr Songs I like are video game themed, hence why they also include artists such as ChalkEaters or EgoRaptor with his Starbomb Albums. If the problem isn't that KZbinrs don't have talent, then the problem is a subject of what they want to make music about. If the topic they're using is what they truly want, then good on them and there's nothing wrong with that. They just don't seem like an answer you can use for the question in this video. Other KZbinrs that I listen to that fall under this category include Schmoyoho, AmaLee (even though she's mostly a VTuber and VA but still, she mainly does English covers for Anime Theme Songs), and Bo Burnham. With that said, I might consider Geno Samuel as a good example of a good KZbin Musician. It's just that he isn't well known. Either that, or the first thing that is more likely to come to mind when you think of him is a certain documentary that I won't name.

[@PointsofData]

LivingTombstone started to get famous from My Little Pony songs btw, FNaF just rocketed him to basically mainstream. A handful of MLP songwriters transitioned to different fandoms and found success. This is also a strange question to ask in the first place...if we're focusing purely on entertainment youtubers who transitioned to music, not youtubers whose entire channel was about creating music, the reason their music sucks is because they have very little experience in making music. Lmao it's not that deep. The one's that get big are the parodies and the comedy songs because those...yeah, the focus is on the funny, not so much on it being a good song, and parodies cut out a lot of the work so are more accessible (as someone who tried their hand in both parody songs and translating Vocaoid songs to English I do feel the need to say that rewriting lyrics for a parody does take some talent and care, that shouldn't be written off completely.) If you're making a completely original song it entirely hinges on your talent/the talent of your team. If you've never made a song before your first one isn't gonna be a banger. 🤷‍♀️ After your first song/album, whether your music improves is entirely dependant on whether you take the criticism of it seriously and whether you _want_ to improve. Why is a lot of it pop? Lol because that's what's selling right now. I like this video but it should've been framed as a retrospective of _popular_ youtuber music, not a question of why youtuber music sucks.

[@HannibalHamlin1]

WE PREDICTING THICK OF IT WITH THIS ONE🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@ellittiscool]

24:09 this aged bad the second it came out 💀

[@Im_actually_a.shark_]

Lmao what i was thinking about

[@meowcat7124]

what happened?

[@abelunseen739]

@@meowcat7124he’s a total piece of shit lmao, just got accused of some shit by his ex. standard KZbinr is a bad person drama.

[@ellittiscool]

Wilbur apparently bit his ex with his teeth@@meowcat7124

[@EmpiresEGG]

Wilbur Soot in an abuser

[@PureMagic101]

Danny Gonzalas’s let me go still bops hard

[@RatMonarchy]

Fr 😭👍

[@perthfarr7383]

Opening line is actually so funny cuz my favourite band is Red Vox and two of their four members are streamers, Vinesauce Vinny and Jabroni Mike. They’re genuinely so good and I’m obsessed. I also want to bring up Shiey and Jakey, both of which do rap! Shiey’s videos are urban exploring, going into abandoned places and showing them off. Jakey does video essay type videos about whatever topics please him and I love both their videos and music! I never see people talk about Red Vox, Shiey or Jakey so I want to shout them out, here! YO WAIT RED VOX MENTION LETS GOOOO

[@Gibusnipu]

Have you heard of Joel's band Scythelord by chance?

[@perthfarr7383]

@@GibusnipuYes!! I’m a huge fan, Rod of Asclepius is really good, probably my favourite Scythelord song, but I also love Masquerade of Hate and The Other!!

[@SwizzleDrizzl]

YES i was looking for the red vox comments lmao

[@bruhtholemew]

I didn't know Shiey did music.

[@perthfarr7383]

@@bruhtholemew He has a few music videos for his songs, he actually recently just posted one, though I must say, I’m a particular fan of Polar Night! He has two albums out, too!

[@wallydyck844]

Man this isn't the type of video i would normally watch, but it is extremely intriguing, and really well. Good job will look out for the similar approaches to subjects.

[@edthebiperson]

Watching this because of autoplay, thought it was a channel with 500k+ subs and this video was huge.Keep it up man, you'll go far

[@ian_does_things6586]

Regarding Wilbur Soot, he would also create a band called Lovejoy that took a more Britpop/Artic Monkeys sound that would garner him a lot more mainstream acclaim. He even ended up being able to perform at Glastonbury as I recall. The lyrics are much more biting, but there is definitely still that sadness within them.

[@thedinkmaster69]

haha biting

[@iancido4412]

@@thedinkmaster69 nahhhhh 💀

[@pinkdragon4830]

Pun intended???

[@thedinkmaster69]

@@pinkdragon4830 i hope so

[@DJPastaYaY]

Great video!! The thing is a lot of these youtubers aren't fully dedicated to music and don't have it as their main focus. Maybe they do music on the side or tried making music a couple times. But when you think of them, music usually isn't the first thing you think about them. I know a lot of music youtubers (including me) whose entire niche is just music. Not gaming, not vlogs, not comedy, etc. And when your channel is only about music, you are bound to make better songs because that is your priority and your passion, not some joke or side task. Anyway, it's just something interesting to think about 😄

[@N3bulA_]

w h y a r e y o u e v e r y w h e r e 💀

[@DJPastaYaY]

@@N3bulA_ I must be everywhere 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[@Smileyface-eater-on-paws]

10:10 pov: you are here after thick of it came out 💀

[@nolancrider]

If only he was able to talk about it 😂

[@Dark_Tale_2077]

Just gonna throw in some really great musicians that got their start on KZbin and/or are still releasing music on KZbin. Lindsey Sterling, Living Tombstone, Aviators, Star Bomb, Midnight, Essenger, Scandroid, Adrian Von Zeigler, Marcus Warner, Jyc Row, Alex Moukala, Osirois, Samuel Kim, Chad Lawson, Miracleofsound, Timecop 1983... Just to name a few.

[@RaptorNX01]

Based list Yeah, I mostly listen to fan music, and there are tons that are still making music, even after a decade+

[@TheHoodieMushroom]

Kwite

[@generalkinobi6215]

Erb

[@edray_utopia]

First thing I think of regarding youtubers as musicians is stuff like TryHardNinja and The Living Tombstone. I don't remember if they were legit youtubers before focusing on their music, but I do know that their music primarily came from youtube, and it was legitimately great! I still have a couple of their songs on my playlists to this day!

[@levikellett4308]

Not seeing any comments about him talking shit about Bromance, that was a bop and always will be

[@justablink8086]

exactly, me and my friend still bond over it, and we cant even remember any other memorable songs by a yter

[@MsMvsc]

You can enjoy bad songs

[@shhhss6993]

yea same, I was like this guy did not just talk shit to ryan musics

[@luckaddiction882]

This is very interesting to me as KZbin Germany usually follows the trends of English KZbin, but in this case it seems like they were actually ahead of the curve. In 2015 a German group of KZbinrs formed a band and made real music they went on tour and even after the band broke up the members started a semi-serious music career on their own which means they have their own music channels with lots of views for each video (at least by German standards) and don't really upload to their actual main channels anymore

[@Haseo92]

It's funny to hear that youtube had 1.5 million users in the late 2007. Back then when a video had a million views, it felt like everyone I knew also saw it. Now a make up tutorial or a cooking video can get 30+ million views and most of us will never see it or hear anyone ever mention it. Times have truly changed.

[@jknMEMES]

Can't believe this guy didn't mention Your Favorite Martian once.

[@anthonylopez1126]

I mean he did talk about Ray Johnson so close enough

[@jknMEMES]

@@anthonylopez1126 I knew YFM years before I discovered Ray xD

[@thegirlverucasaltwarneduabout]

he did tho...

[@anthonylopez1126]

@@jknMEMES fair enough me too

[@jknMEMES]

The reason I discovered Ray was because he made a video where he mentioned a story about after a show doing a due with another member from the band. And also discovered Doing Your Mom from a meme by Twinkieman @@anthonylopez1126

[@acoolrocket]

Stuck with Red Vox's discography since 2016 with 'What Could Go Wrong' and its great seeing them mature in their production. Imo their best song is 'Stranded' and best album is 'Another Light' if you're wondering where to start.

[@flooferfox2407]

Vinny keeps talking about the next album being his favoured and it's honestly so exciting

[@lurkydredd]

based comment, i have the entirety of another light downloaded on my phone lmao.

[@petrarcheleven8816]

Personally love Kerosene and Another Light for albums, and my favorite song from them is Memento Mori.

[@yeshello2528]

binyot mentioned

[@soyjakchud]

realign and visions are so good dude

[@D3lt4Music]

At 15:42 the song is called bloom by j^p^n if anyone was wondering

[@bananabro1010]

Wilbur Soot had one of the best youtuber to musician transitions I’ve ever seen. Sucks that he was a bad person. I’m gonna pirate his music tho because yk I still like it

[@cupcakefunnyface1393]

We love piracy🎉

[@Eleven11elevenxi]

The greatest song Wilbur soot has ever made is still undoubtedly a rip off of any classic UK song, literally any of his best music, the "inspiration" is so clear, and by inspiration i mean literally ripping off their sound entirely

[@m_axyn]

fr. love his music :/

[@Liamhvet]

@@Eleven11elevenxi what the fuck do you mean? give examples???

[@Eleven11elevenxi]

@@Liamhvet wilburs solo music, lovejoy, their whole sound is stolen from people like the smiths, arctic monkeys, crywank, etc, i could go on for hours. Tf is with your ass attitude though

[@Carbon_C6]

DanTDM's spacedog is an amazing work of art

[@itzyeboisa]

ong

[@LexClone5]

Red Vox is one of my personal favorites, made by Vinesauce’s Vinny. His music just seems to get better with each album and they all have a distinct sound and tone from album to album. Also can’t forget the musical genius of the Gentle Men

[@streamer8633]

Red vox is so damn good

[@Chabascus]

So glad they’re mentioned, seriously one of my favorite bands ever

[@DonRay.]

you read my mind

[@OrgaNik_Music]

We weren't all "stuck inside" during COVID. Some of us had to go out there every day and actually work.

[@prelawnoob]

i would like to mention VanossGaming, a silly Gmode gaming channel who made music so good i thought it was someone else

[@Uberoot]

6:48 look at the bottom right

[@PeerwasNOPE]

And uncancellable, im still waiting for that video to be made.

[@explosion6768]

I would say more variety then just gmod, especially now since gmod lost popularity.

[@uncroppedsoop]

​@@PeerwasNOPE the reason anyone is uncancellable is because cancel culture is a boogeyman to point fingers at. if someone says offensive shit, they'll get an audience that likes that, and therefore the people who actually give them a platform would never boycott them in a thousand years. as soon as that logic is applied it makes it blatantly clear that literally anybody who you'd expect to be cancelled is completely uncancellable because their fanbase would never cancel them, and it would have to be their fanbase doing it for it to work that being said I haven't watched vanoss and I'm not implying anything in any direction about em since I know nothing of that content

[@unknowngamer8736]

yeah that was funny, when I saw vanoss feature a guy named rynx I was like "who is this guy" it took me awhile to realize that it was vanoss who was rynx and honestly I found that funny.

[@TorqueJr_]

Alpharads "Ace Of Hearts" band is pretty good imo

[@nebulon1017]

ACE OF HEARTS SWEEP 🔥🔥🔥

[@spaceinky3628]

Moistcritical is in a good band called The Gentle Men, also Alpharad’s Ace Of Hearts is pretty decent!

[@dirtykid15]

Wait that’s Alpharad i just liked his music 💀

[@lilyofthatvelley]

​@@dirtykid15aha, you have been got by the Internet funny man

[@yakata6673]

Internet funny man’s music is actually enjoyable to listen to in my opinion

[@pokkiheart]

Jacob isn't an incredible singer as many will say but he's definitely a talented writer and he puts so much into the music

[@dirtykid15]

@@pokkiheartexactly… I was so confused why he had so many listeners cus he messes up vocals so often but yet I love then lyricism and the vibe of his songs, Lighter Than Air is probably my favorite

[@zeusandodin]

who’s watching after thick of it 😭

[@GeekMasterGames]

Ninja Sex Party is more of a band that ended up also becoming youtubers more than the other way around.

[@queeneon]

For some more niche/indie music KZbinr’s look up Annapantsu, Reinaeriy, Ginny Di, Jojacat, Jonathan Young, and NerdOut. Oh also Miracle of Sound and Aviators as others have mentioned.

[@Emsteffen0]

There is this guy called Yun Li who is a Brazilian youtuber, and his latest albums are really nice. I think it's one of the best examples of this

[@ShOscar]

ZachGG is another example of a youtuber making music that isnt absolute dogshit. Hes most known for working with Jimmy Here (the Wednesday my dudes guy). Zach's song "Fear" was released a couple years ago, and its quite a banger!

[@evanblake5252]

This is an interesting topic for multiple reasons. One of those is that there is a very key distinction to be made in discussing KZbinrs who make music. There are KZbinrs who make music, and it's usually bad, however, there are KZbin based musicians, and many of them are incredibly talented and creative.

[@alnerique]

Great opinion, excellently made, history is spot on and goes through the narrative hoops of explaining current distaste in KZbin music, even assures to the audience that good KZbinr music obviously exists (even if you stink it with a clickbait title), however it is invalid for one indisputable reason, Neil Cicierega.

[@Captain_Polaris]

Absolutely awesome video man, this type of content on KZbin history is so organic. Reminds me of talking to family about all the crazy stuff that happens on the platform. Only nitpick I could have is that we kinda skimmed over the point when distracks were kinda subverted like w/ content cop or Pewdiepie v T-Series. Also ai covers w/ KZbinrs and schlatt’s my way cover is noteworthy

[@brandiepop]

saying wilburs music is bad because its so sad and cringey is like saying music in another language is bad because you dont understand it. I personally think his music is pretty good although simple and Lovejoy is a very good indie rock band. However if you dont like the emo style he happens to use then of course you wont like his songs

[@sazo1st]

i aint even gonna hold you i got a corpse song in my playlist and i've barely even seen his videos

[@jucool5]

Ngl when I was watching I thought I was watching some at least 500k youtuber, until I saw your subscriber count and honestly im so surprised. You deserve a ton more and hope youtube blows this vid up

[@ribbit0525]

man i remember watching troye sivan raise to fame with his youtube and music career. still insane to think that he started from youtube

[@haveacalmheart3010]

I think an important distinction to note here is this: KZbinrs who decide to make some music, and KZbinr musicians who's career *is* to make music Of course there's exceptions. Some people even transition from one to another, some do both b/c they're actually musically talented but make entertainment as their main focus. (KZbinr Shiey is my favorite example of this. Oh and Bill Wurtz too, especially him.)

[@mdawg396]

dude this is great. less than 1k views?!???! that’s insane man. kept my attention the whole time. amazing.