why chess banned cleavage

[@Jack74u2]

Can Magnus troll the federation by violating this rule?

[@Julesgambit]

It’s a possibility

[@duncanharris9479]

I think he might need implants. 🍒

[@kennyknackers6084]

@@Julesgambitnext time he will show up in a hijab

[@RedRed-bx4ct]

WHAT? HAHAHAH

[@User1-j2i]

Well you can't have 2 extra pieces on the board. It's not fair.

[@Dbentzjr]

ikr 😅

[@Nobody-df4is]

Well, they kind of need it. Haha. I don't mind though....

[@Eds7570]

You got a point...too distracting..😅

[@trueliam_official]

Womens Gambit 😅

[@rachelhawkins2084]

bro...seriously? Cleavage is distracting no matter what.

[@rayleewayne9109]

Tata Steel Chess Tournament should host a Steel Tatas division.

[@alveolate]

steal glances at tatas division xD

[@PerteTotale]

formerly knows as Wicked at Sea

[@strawpiglet]

Since men outperform women in chess tournaments, maybe it's because women are being robbed of their natural ability to distract man. I am both joking and 100% serious.

[@stevenflanagan2995]

I couldn't keep attention on what you were saying because that blue thing in the bottom left corner was looking at me.

[@TheGreatestJuJu]

I was distracted by the face in the middle of the blue thing.

[@herbthompson8937]

Anybody who thinks a nice rack doesnt distract men is insane or just being naive

[@lorvaton]

Its sad but true

[@GrimRaper8]

But are you actually distracted for a full 3 hours game by cleavage?

[@herbthompson8937]

@lorvaton it's sad if you're not into chicks. Me personally...a nice rack is a blessing

[@andrewbloom7694]

Yeah, no. I never ever understood this. Just....have a shred of self control and you will be fine? Like I had a huge crush on a girl in high school who sat across to me and I still got straight As because...were in class. Not the time for it.

[@WeinsEarp]

Someone good argue that men are primitive and primal men with no self control. What a shame for men.

[@danneltheflannel]

You aren't a guy so you don't understand, but those things are like insanely hard not to focus on... like imagine not eating food for 2 days and then someone puts your favorite type of sandwich just out of reach and then you would have to try not not focus on it... That's a strange analogy lol but it's the first thing I can think up 😅

[@omare7475]

I play poker and I do find cleavage distracting.. in chess where the opponent is even closer, I would imagine it is distracting. It's just human nature.

[@MatthewBreck]

good hopefully you lose and learn to improve your mental.

[@bozidarugljesic2907]

Cause it can be distracting its nobrainer to be honest

[@swyxTV]

look all im saying is Football has a lingerie league, chess can do this for the tolerant

[@alveolate]

i mean, if i'm playing opposite jules or anna cramling, or just any pretty girl, they really don't need to show anything, just their face and i would be distracted already. if anything, i feel like it should be up to the professionals to practice staying focused, regardless of what their opponents look like. what if a dude wears a really brightly coloured top? with loads of random cartoon characters? or just a design with an optical illusion in it? hypotheticals just get a little bit absurd at some point. i think as professionals and adults, they should be able to work it out on a case by case basis with the arbiter. player A goes "excuse me, but i'm having a hard time concentrating with player B's outfit today. would they mind putting on a jacket over it?" player B can either agree or disagree. arbiter can judge whether any further action needs to be taken for each specific case.

[@Grecks75]

And it's kinda strange and dishonest that women often use this to their advantage yet boldly refuse to admit it.

[@joemodest]

Damn that's just plain biology how is this even a hot take.

[@riverratt8626]

I am 60 years old and still get distracted by cleavage or tight fitting shirts, most straight men do. I strongly feel body odor is worse distraction and these players that don't shower before there matches should not be allowed to play.

[@Anonymous-bc4dl]

Distractions are everywhere in life, so we gotta live with it.

[@dragonfly.effect]

There's only one solution to all this controversy: strict uniforms for all players, male & female identical. I'd suggest something along the lines of the outfits worn by the Squid Game officials: hooded jumpsuits with dark mesh over the face. Not too tight, so body shape is obscured. And probably bright magenta, since that's likely to distract everyone equally. 💖 👀

[@garypierce7380]

Magnus was wearing good quality jeans. There was nothing distracting about them. Yes, Dina is distracting guys all the time, but it’s a pretty lame excuse for losing. I think it would actually keep me more attentive. I agree that you shouldn’t show up looking like a carnival sideshow freak. They should keep it classy. What Magnus wore was fine. They were basically harassing the best player in the world.

[@jamesrawlins735]

decollete is just a strapless or low cut v-neck dress (or having a low cut neckline)

[@Julesgambit]

Noted!

[@joshmeyer8172]

In French it means neckline but in Dutch it means cleavage

[@alveolate]

as a man of culture, i remember this term being specifically applied to collarbones.

[@dontrachtman3095]

I haven't played too many attractive young women in tournaments. When I did play them, I was aware of their cleavage exposure and attractiveness but I don't think it distracted me on a conscious level. I simply wanted to win the game.

[@ebastian1785]

Did you win?

[@dontrachtman3095]

Sometimes. Some of them were really strong players.

[@weeblordgaming6062]

Agreed, I doubt any pro chess players will be defeated by boobies

[@2253frank]

what game?

[@ebastian1785]

@@dontrachtman3095 Good stuff

[@reineh3477]

Just dress appropriate, if you want to dress sexy go to a nightclub. Pastors or bank clerks doesn't wear a cleavage. Male news reporters are forced to wear a shirt and many times a jacket why should the rules be different for women?

[@mikaelhansson9613]

My opinion is that if you are distracted by your opponents looks, then you need to work on you ability to concentrate. I would be more distracted if my opponent smelled bad or acted bad (noisy or whatever). That might make me want to finish the game quickly, and we all know how that can cause mistakes.

[@Julesgambit]

I think the best argument would be a sense of professionalism I tend to agree that the distraction argument is good too

[@BridgeDoge-ih7lq]

It’s not about how opponent looks but what he or she wears

[@sunnyvegas2778]

So can a man show up naked to chess? would you be okay with that? or is it on you cuz you're distracted?

[@csquaredgaming]

Yeaaaah let's see you keep making that argument the next time you are across the chessboard from two bouncing boogaloogas.

[@waltuh2.3bviews3secondsago3]

no shower gambit

[@kenspencer9895]

And exactly why did the OP choose a conservative top for this video?

[@RedKnight231]

Perhaps because it's winter , or because she wanted to ?

[@vitriolveio]

@@RedKnight231someone can’t take a joke😂

[@ItsAsparageese]

Because she wanted to? And anyway the online chess community is toxically misogynistic enough without extra excuses to be mean and/or creepy

[@morganclare4704]

They are misogynists b/c women can't win tounnaments????

[@hoi-polloi1863]

To my mind, décolletage is a distraction, which is easy to get rid of via dress code. No fuss, no muss. To be fair, I wouldn't want the male players showing up in speedos either. It's disingenuous to pretend that men don't respond to women dressed provocatively. Additionally, imagine this... if a guy were staring at said décolletage, would we call him a creep, or would we tell the woman that it sounds like "a you problem"? Why not eliminate as many potential problems from the get-go?

[@TJConcept1995]

Rule #1 DanielSon: *Never* take you eyes off the chessboard. Rule #2: Obey Rule #1

[@lorvaton]

Its a difficult question. I understand it could be distracting but on the other hand some cultures thinks womens hair could be distracting and isnt it the same thing if we ban cleavage as if we ban showing the face or hair?? Idk

[@racapadexxa_]

No, because everyone has hair, not everyone has boobs. Also following that reasoning you could not ban ypur opponent from doing a helicopter on your face then

[@lorvaton]

@racapadexxa_ hmm Yes thats a good point

[@TheGreatestJuJu]

I have never been distracted by someone’s hair. A nice pair of boobs has definitely gained my focus. Why? Biology. Humans are hardwired to reproduce and can’t control physiological hormonal reactions. Nobody chooses what turns them on. You see it and then you know, but it’s your brain that decided. There may be some people out there that see a head of hair and have this reaction, but it certainly a very small minority and not literally the bedrock humanity uses to ensure the survival of the species.

[@mannug7275]

Biological reasons

[@adamrubinson6875]

The point is that they are distraction and distractions aren't allowed.

[@wolfdogalsatian]

to ban all distractions, place each player in a cardboard box with slots for their arms and a one-way screen at their head for them to see the board

[@keyem4504]

I can certainly imagine that an opponent that is really attractive could have an influence on my behavior. But that's nothing that could be regulated. However, I don't believe that the clothes of my opponent would add anything to this. I think, banning cleavage is stupid.

[@dontrachtman3095]

Did you get a good look Costanza? Seinfeld fans will know this line.

[@stephencuffel4932]

Exactly my thought. What better authority than Seinfeld to prove that cleavage is distracting? But please, let's not insist on burqas.

[@RightNowRamsey]

I think a professional standard should be held for both men and women. Whether it’s no jeans or no cleavage.

[@j.m.mendez6091]

As a man, I find most of the comments under this video to be rather disappointing. The reason why the Chess Federation decided to ban cleavage is because they would sooner control how women dress and behave than held men accountable for their actions. Just look at the laws in place in several Islamic countries regarding women and what they can or cannot wear for another example that, while more extreme also comes from the same place. Frankly, this is not surprising since this is a tale as old as time, but you would think the average chess fan/player - an sport who is often associated with intelligence - would be able to acknowledge this fact rather than resorting to the same old excuse of "bUt, bUT, hUMAn NATure!!!"

[@bluefin.64]

Why is human nature an excuse?

[@renatomercurio4774]

I would loose all my fear of loosing and find completely new reasons to play chess. It is like handicap chess. You must run a distance, but you can use only one leg.

[@michaelcarroll5801]

Pretty complicated topic tbh.

[@gerry4b]

This discussion would have benefited greatly by numerous pictoral examples… how else to decide?

[@riccardobua2331]

In the past I was playing strong players blowing cigars smoke in my face, chess distraction is a thing and you need to train to keep your mental focus

[@bluefin.64]

It's not about becoming inured, it's about what's fair. I wasn't fair for your opponents to blow smoke in your face, and by the reports I've heard most distractions, even eating (I had an opponent loudly crunch on carrots once, although it didn't bother me) are typically no longer allowed.

[@BeefJimMurphy]

There are so many other psychological aspects of competitive chess, so why not let the players dress how they want? Astronaut suits. Dinosaur costumes. If it's winning, go for it

[@racapadexxa_]

Because then you are insulting the sport. Imagine if the Pope started praying dressed as Dora the explorer claiming it made him feel closer to God.

[@mikebarushok5361]

Checkerboard body suit?

[@Wolfgang.M]

I would force all chess players to dress up in "Rey Enigma" outfit.

[@djtomleeuwen]

I would get distracted when players rock back and forth during the game, or when they get up often, or when their clothing really clash, or when they are juggling their pieces. Let's just ban all of this. Or just accept it's a me / you - problem.

[@RunplaysinHD]

Chest tournament

[@efusco]

Agree that the 'banning of cleavage" is pretty ridiculous. There are many outfits that could be more distracting such as extremely form-fitting tops, those that show side- or under-boob. But the point is, as you brought up, there are a multitude of things that can be considered 'distracting' from body odor, perfume, weird hair-dos, whatever and in this day and age people need to just get over it. If it's legal and doesn't physically interfere with the playing of the game, then you just need to adapt.

[@bluefin.64]

Anything goes doesn't work either. It's about balance. What's optimal is the question. Personally, I think it's unfair to expect men to try to change their natural reactions or just suck it up so they can play a few chess games a year. It's a lot easier for women to adapt their dress. You have a point about loopholes, but most women are reasonable enough to respect the intention of a dress code, even if they don't like it.

[@AlphaGatorDCS]

curious how much thought you put into what top to wear for this video, knowing that people are going to look at your chest for immediate visual verification. lol. LOVE your content btw (as a stats and chess geek).

[@AlphaGatorDCS]

also, as a male who identifies as male, and who is more of a "butt man", a have a question. can't a girl with a size B cup wear the EXACT same shirt as a girl with a D cup, but show less cleavage? IMO, it shouldn't be based on the shirt and its buttons, but, rather, the percentage of breast surface area exposed (based on a fixed radius from the areola). because, technically, you can also show side-boob or under-boob cleavage, correct?

[@AlphaGatorDCS]

and lastly, I volunteer as the official radius (or area, in cm^2) measurer.

[@tahoemike5828]

Yes it's distracting, and we thank you.

[@divya.s.s2776]

Its proven that revealing skin can make people feel a certain....way....So I guess its biology. But even if thats not the reason I believe its just formal attire. Schools, when assigning uniforms also create uniforms that arent low cut and have short sleeves, so as someone who comes from a country with compulsory school uniforms, i understand its importantance and how it affects the overall decorum of a place.

[@michaelcarroll5801]

Well said.

[@divya.s.s2776]

@michaelcarroll5801 yea well Instagram netizens don't understand that 🙄 which is why she had to make a youtube video addressing it

[@Singulitarian]

Ban playing with the extra queen.

[@isaacfair6972]

Hm, interesting discourse on this one, respect the timing on this video too, nice job haha. My opinions are probably pretty similar, except as a 21y/o male, I would say it is pretty normal to get distracted by cleavage. Importantly though, I don't think it's fair of us to stop there, I think it's also important to note that this is our problem (ie our fault), and therefore requires our solutions, it's not fair of us to ask women to solve that problem for us. That said, I could imagine a situation where a woman could go out of her way to make herself distracting, and I don't think that would be good for the game in the same way that any deliberate distraction would be, so I guess my solution would be a more vague 'Code of Conduct' for tournament behaviour which would have to be at the discretion of the arbiters. Obviously that runs into a whole other can of worms potentially with arbiters sometimes being weird with enforcing things, for sure, but I would be interested to hear your/others thoughts on how that would be as a solution?? It also allows you to put other potentially intentional non-game-related distractions on there, such as BO for example, which I think we would all be happier without, so I do think it has some merit. Sorry if that was too long for people to read, just wanted to see if other people had interesting thoughts!!

[@RG001100]

6:06 This is really the key point. -- It's not worth fussing over "what could", if it doesn't happen. (Similarly, the point of "maybe it's distracting" is well met with at least "lots of things are distracting").

[@bhavyakhanna1828]

As a man , I completely agree that it is distracting while trying to focus on the game . Imagine a dude coming up in a underwear to play a tournament.

[@morganclare4704]

Women wouldn't be distracted! (lol)

[@giovannigastaldi486]

The right comparison would be a man with two buttons of his shirt undone. What you're saying is on the level of a woman showing up in her underwear, or are is your take that straight men have lower concentration skills than straight women and gay men?

[@sebastianmelmoth1645]

What about midriffs?

[@flickwtchr]

I'm a guy, and it is totally up to me, meaning it's MY PROBLEM if that is distracting in a game of chess. Come on men, grow the _____ up already.

[@shanastroskyphazer8172]

Great little video. Fascinating topic right. As a 40s year old man I struggle to Focus on chess as it is. And I am usually easily distracted by beautiful woman and boobies. Chess logic goes out the window lol. I have to work on evolutionary impulses?? Why not save the low cut tops etc for the tournament after party. Yeah you're totally right about other chess tournament distractions such as incessant coughing, sniffing, odd mannerisms etc.personal hygiene, these I can work on.

[@Julesgambit]

Glad you enjoyed the topic!

[@oddgarrett2619]

It's quite a common thing for women to say they find they're disproportionately attracted to mens forearms. So surely that means FIDE should ban men from wearing short-sleeve shirts or rolled-up sleeves, to make sure that distractions are reduced for EVERYONE? Save the gun show for the tournament after-party. If that sounds ridiculous to you, or you think it's "not the same", then maybe your bias is showing.

[@paultutillo]

I love these videos you do Jules thanks so much !!

[@rhsatrhs]

Is that a DJ controller in the background? Yes, I believe it is.

[@archivist17]

Signs of a Gremlin in the vicinity 😂

[@Vicar307]

Fide really doesnt want people to watch chess...

[@Vicar307]

Also it's a slippery slope, because some cultures would say OH NO I can see her wrist, ankles, neck, hair whatever... then what?

[@DaveG36]

"if you are distracted by cleavage it's a you problem"..yes, yes it is, because I am male. The better the player, the lesser the distraction. As for jeans, as long as they aren't faded, or worse, ripped, they should be allowed.

[@ianstopher9111]

No builder's cleavage

[@ianstopher9111]

I've heard the body odour gambit is more distracting. Some players should be turned around and asked to go shower unless they have some medical note.

[@We4re4nonymous]

I have to disagree. Fide is not Chess. Chess never banned anything. Its just some greedy men in the Top of Fide who banned it for tournaments. Wich is in my opinion outrageous. Chessplayers should wear what ever they want. By the way décolleté is a borrowing from french and means low-necked. A lot of countries using this word like in germany

[@joshmeyer8172]

IMO it's unfortunate, but in the age of social media it's probably necessary to enforce some kind of dress code just to prevent publicity stunts.

[@weeblordgaming6062]

Indecent exposure is already a crime

[@rhodescolossus8184]

You wouldn't hear the end of "creepy dudes looking at women inappropriately" if this rule were changed.

[@ItsAsparageese]

Have you paid attention to the chess community? Obviously no rule impacts the creepiness factor to begin with. It's almost like socially maladjusted men (a minority of chess players, but a large one) are the problem

[@rhodescolossus8184]

@@ItsAsparageese It seems obvious to me that creepy men would be more creepy if women show their cleavage. I don't know to what extent men in the chess community are actually creepy and to what extent women are unfair to men. Changing the dress code would make either one of these issues worse and distract from the chess.

[@rhodescolossus8184]

​@@ItsAsparageese "Obviously no rule impacts the creepiness factor to begin with." Disagree, it seems obvious to me that such men being able to look at womens' cleavage would make the problem worse. Did not mean to say that there aren't actually creepy men, simply that I don't know if there are or if women are unfair to men. Either way changing the dress code would make the problem worse.

[@phcalama]

What if you wear a zippered top without buttons? Tennis used to require wearing whites and grunting was not allowed. That's changed. I guess chess needs more time to modernize.

[@RC-qf3mp]

According to US laws on discrimination, they can’t ban women cleavage unless they also ban men cleavage. 🤷‍♀️ so not sexist.

[@Dbentzjr]

Well there are many distracting things that take our focus away from where our attention needs to be. I am not great at chess but I do have an ever so slowly growing fondness of the game as time goes on. In my opinion, strict rules like this should be preserved for the larger echelons of chess tournaments. At the core, chess is just a puzzle game. When the puzzle becomes a ticking time bomb as what happens in blitz matches and such, players need to focus on the game and not on distractions. If everyone made an attempt to consistently dress modestly in public spaces, then at least the winds of the chaos storm may begin to slowly subside. Just my two cents. God Bless and Happy New Year!!! 😊

[@jespernorgaard3795]

Glad we didn't include the "nipple factor", and kept it to the "cleavage factor" 😅

[@samiqala6543]

Because it's totally OK for you to see a woman cleavage it should be OK for guys too or else he is not normal that is totally logical and you are so right thanks jules.

[@stevemcqueen7735]

I can understand having a dress code but are they different for every tournament or is there a standard by some orgianzation. I'm for the distraction

[@ernakopmak5373]

Even if there's a Melon's Gambit, it doesn't have to always be the Accepted variation I'm sure all gambits can always be declined. Or can it?? 🤔

[@dr.floridamanphd]

I just looked it up on my translator. Décollétte is French for cleavage.

[@ianstopher9111]

Related to the English word décolletage.

[@ThanosLuvsDeath]

I think the distractions should be part of the game. When I play sports I like to wear different color socks, I run fast and am convinved the different colors distracts my opponents. Anyone who is professional enough should be able to overlook it. Some chess players wear extremely colorful suits, some have loud shoes, and i think this adds to the mental challenge.

[@Tocinos]

#FreeTheCleav

[@mikebarushok5361]

Do these hypothetical distracted players have similar issues out in the rest of the world? Does this also apply to women who are attracted to other women? Do men need to be careful not to display a bulge?

[@michaelcarroll5801]

Yes, yes and yes.

[@gaBBarSlnGh]

about 1:40 .. if someone is losing, and they remove their clothes or do something else to distract the opponent is it still considered a "YOU" problem?

[@DrBroncanuus]

décolleté means 'Low Cut'

[@tactrix1h]

So you asked a very important question "is this a real problem in chess?" And the answer is NO. No it's not a problem with chess, it's a personal problem of the people who have no self control. Any reasonable person with self control has no issue with playing against a person who wears a revealing top or a skirt. And the reason they like to blame it on a distraction, is because they're too cowardly to say that they're just not good enough and lose either way.

[@ItsAsparageese]

THIS x100000

[@bluefin.64]

Most men exercise self-control, they don't look. Self-control is not the issue, it's whether it's fair to expect men to have to constantly make that effort, or to somehow train themselves not to notice at all when they only play a few chess games a year. It's lot easier to have a dress code. How much self control does it take to wear a different garment?

[@Faruk_Rafe]

*'Why did it become a problem. Dresscode is normal in most places. Everybody accepting it, not Magnus. Just unnecessary things..

[@Julesgambit]

That’s definitely something people talk about related to this

[@weeblordgaming6062]

What’s wrong with him deciding to wear jeans

[@bubo1]

Hello chest lovers! Good old Suren.

[@cSR-71]

Jules ... you and the other gals of chess should do a Women of Chess calendar!

[@broochem]

it is pronounced : "day-col-tay" , like day - col (like in column) - tay (like the okay but o-tay without the o)

[@broochem]

Obviously it's a French word, but the meaning can be derived from it. 'Le col' is the collar. So it kind of means "collar-less" or "without collar".

[@broochem]

I think it's a ridiculous ban.

[@doublestarships646]

I feel for you ladies but I have seen a lot of chess players and cleavage would definitely distract in hilarious ways. You all literally use cleavage to distract or get eyes on them. You don't see guys wearing shirts with their chests out lol.

[@WorldPeace21]

In reality, if a man sees a woman with a nice cleavage then he will look and there should be no shame in that as long as he's not over doing it. It can be distracting if she's showing a lot of cleavage. That being said, it is his responsibility to control himself and focus on the game.

[@styleisaweapon]

Just so long as the men having raging pants tee-pees is also ok

[@ETBrooD]

7:31 Kinda defeating your own argument there lmao

[@MichaelBrown-o5d]

Interesting that Jules is wearing a turtleneck sweater. Guess she didn't want to distract us.

[@Julesgambit]

I like my sweaters and it’s cold

[@MichaelBrown-o5d]

@@Julesgambit It is a beautiful sweater. Happy Holidays!

[@rawr333r]

It's winter???

[@arquis5274]

I ❤️ your sweater Jules!

[@belpack8989]

They should call it Chest

[@lancetehira]

No!!! Those are not the reason why I keep losing to women chess competition players.... It's because my ELO rating is smaller 😂😂😂

[@asumazilla]

Wouldnt it make them play better?

[@anderstrogen6135]

chess is not unique. sport shooting like skeet & trap also banned jeans & short skirts. our local club do not have this rules and everyone thinks it silly

[@Julesgambit]

Yeah I know a lot of sports have dress codes

[@jacquesdespadas]

Dudes all need to grow up.

[@chelleby]

It is definitely distracting and shoud be banned

[@maverickeugene3621]

How about we dress decent and stop acting stupid. Be modest and respectful of self and others.

[@angelaspanger]

seen it live

[@dutchray8880]

One word: Togas.

[@Julesgambit]

Yes

[@yogeshraut4928]

I don't see any overlap between the study you cite and the phenomenon you claim to be examining. Ev-psych argues that men take more risks around high-PA women in order to out-compete other men and demonstrate their reproductive fitness. The phenomenon you are talking about is whether men undergo cognitive interference in the presence of beautiful women. There could be multiple mechanisms for this--pure distraction caused by staring at and thinking about women, yes, but also potentially fear of being caught looking, fear of being perceived as looking and judged as a creep, anxiety over interacting in an improper or awkward way, anxiety over passing up an opportunity to connect with a woman who shares your interests, anxiety over "losing to a girl," which is seen as shameful in a patriarchal society ... desire to impress the woman could be there too, whether for evolutionary or ego-based reasons, but it's hardly the only mechanism at play. Comparing this to any situation that doesn't involve direct competition against the woman (such as your study's examination of competing against other men, real or imagined, in order to impress women) is an apples vs. oranges comparison that is unlikely to be illuminating.

[@Deditio]

Though it's far from a clean or perfect topic of study I do believe I had seen a research paper published showing that men played riskier or more aggressive Chess against attractive women. Even still that doesn't necessarily mean it should be involved in the rule making.

[@GameeIN]

From my perspective NO... Its like most notorious thing ever...When i think little better, playing chess over the board on turnament is only time for not thinkng about womens at all hahahaha...Soo no,i watch on the board and think just on mine and opponents next move :D PS. Its DEKOLTE on my native hehe

[@workingclassclassicalguita730]

if you are easily distracted.. not a good chess player

[@yellowrose0910]

There are no gays in chess.

[@vanthadoun1]

its called Chess not Chest!

[@Jody-royAnnan]

It seems many chess players are nerds, nerds are prone to distraction by those things .

[@Lakrimoz]

Chess is a game of concentration - so having a clothing requirement that minimizes an opponent's ability to do that, intentionally or not, is fairly reasonable. Honestly weird why you'd think having cleavage out wouldn't be distracting to men - especially young men. Like do you live under a rock or something?

[@andreib2489]

I can see this being an issue if a woman plays in the open section. Perhaps would not distract every single male opponent, but certainly a significant portion.

[@Ireniicus]

The rules to women attire in chess events should be decided by women only.

[@claytoncourtney1309]

Well, I would understand that it is distracting. I've seen Andrea botez show cleavage to a teenage boy. He does not have the maturity yet to know not look at those. Should an adult man be able to handle it? Yes, but then again women definitely know that it is distracting. I highly doubt no woman has ever not considered that when deciding what to wear.

[@TumescentPuma]

KZbin doesn’t ban cleavage.

[@JohnJonnyBerry]

as a dude, id definetly say too much decolletee should be banned because its too distracting. Its really not that hard to find clothes that dont show everything. What you say about "chess is a brain game and if you get distracted by breast, that might be something for you to work on" is completely insane. I cannot even comprehend how you can think that.

[@zak3744]

I think it's probably true that some people will suffer a minor psychological distraction from an opponent with an unusually low-cut top. I think those people will probably tend to skew male. It's of course a different question entirely as to whether that's a problem and what, if anything, should be done about it. But in answering that second question, I'd ask you to consider the effect of any possible 'solutions'. Lots of things in the playing environment might cause minor distractions in chess, we may try to ameliorate some of them, but also ignoring them is part of the game. Now, some spotty teenage boy may be so overcome by hormones that the sight of a fellow human being means he can't play chess at his best. That may be entirely true, and to some degree I feel sorry for the bloke. But what sort of psychological effect do you think it has on that fellow human being to have her body policed and fixated on in a weird, sexist way by her fellow players and these semi-authority figures of the tournament arbiters? The same sort of policing and fixation that she may already put up with generally in life, and that maybe she wants to go and play chess to get away from? Why do you think women have (and to some extent need) separate chess tournaments? The reasons are essentially sociological: it's sad that it's the case, but it's the only way for many women and girls to feel comfortable that the burden of sexist nonsense won't be too high to put them off the game altogether! So while I may genuinely feel some sympathy for that spotty teenage boy, the idea that you fix _his_ minor psychological unease by heaping _more_ psychological unease on the people who already need _entirely separate tournaments_ because of the amount they already put up with, is, I think, a little bit silly!

[@weeblordgaming6062]

If a woman is attractive she will be a distraction whether cleavage is showing or not, it’s the players job to focus on the game

[@hoi-polloi1863]

Because the purpose of cleavage is ... um ... to not be looked at?

[@pg1448]

​​@@zak3744Claiming that being expected to dress modestly in certain occasions where it can be inappropriate or distracting is some huge psychological burden is what is actually silly. There are many such occasions in society and there is no reason why a chess tournament that should have as few external distractions for the players as possible can't be one of them. And sexual cues are some of the strongest simply due to human nature and biology. This isn't some unreasonable or sexist stance to find a big cleavage overly distracting. And it's not like there aren't dress codes for men as well, it's just that male fashion tends to be less revealing by default. I don't get why having to dress a certain way at a specific events in general is such a huge demand for some people apparently.

[@running5850]

@@weeblordgaming6062 I agree the distraction will still be there to some extent, but that doesn't mean rules can't minimize the effect. A pretty girl or handsome guy wearing revealing clothes is more distracting than the same guy or girl wearing professional dress.

[@morganclare4704]

Not even up for debate. cheers