Biggest Chess Cheating Scandal Ever

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[@expy3589]

When Hans wins a game, it typically just makes his day. But when Hans wins against Magnus, it makes his hole weak.

[@klayer9990]

Goddammit

[@warrenjoseph76]

💀 😂

[@cooperswan534]

that took me a minute

[@DROGOC0P]

LOOOL

[@imtroublesome]

😂

[@GothamChess]

I knew once beads were involved, we had to see a recap on Charlie's channel

[@Allen-wo8yi]

Do you really think he could have used beads

[@MIDO44444]

@@Allen-wo8yi not in a million years

[@iceyroo]

Hey just subbed to your channel!

[@ikkyu15]

@@Allen-wo8yi The real crazy part is that he had the beads in, but wasn't using them to cheat.

[@flay8727]

Hello chess daddy

[@acatreassuresyouthateveryt7842]

For anyone new, Charlie is professional actor turned chess player. His talent was shown in pogchamp, he checkmated his opponent in less than 10 turn

[@Self_Evident]

Who's Charlie??

[@acatreassuresyouthateveryt7842]

@@Self_Evident ah sorry not to elaborate, Charlie or Charles White Jr. is penguinz0

[@Xirree]

@@acatreassuresyouthateveryt7842 who is penguinz0

[@kripiece]

@@Xirree ah sorry not to elaborate, penguinz0 is known as MoistCr1TiKaL or just Cr1TiKaL

[@johnr797]

@@kripiece You should elaborate further, he is known to many as Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

[@jushthehermit]

Imagine being a chess GRANDMASTER, and instead of studying chess lines, you choose to study morse code for BUTTHOLE CHEATING.

[@LandeezXD]

Lmao that's dedication... give the man who puts the beads in the win

[@s.c.2180]

And also decided to learn from a secret agent how to hide any expressions provoked by a thing vibrating in that hole.

[@pruthvirajshinde9991]

Well the fact that your opponent is one of the longest running world champions in all formats of chess should be enough of a motivation... especially when you're 19

[@tolman4497]

@@pruthvirajshinde9991 Not to ruin the fun but Hans wasn’t originally going to be against him and he only found out last minute

[@RazorM97]

Che̶s̶s̶eating grandmaster

[@haples2338]

Clearly Hans had a mirror on the ceiling so that he could see Magnus's moves.

[@luispagano]

Underrated comment

[@matattacks8724]

A secret disciple of Hikaru Hans is I see

[@notfunny3397]

That's genius

[@womankisserjermaluvr]

my first thought was "but everyone would notice because he'd be looking up" and i think that solidifies my very saddening conclusion that i am genuinely dumb as hell

[@bruh......2005]

Some naruto chunin exam cheating strat

[@expy3589]

Hans didnt just beat Magnus, he rectum

[@NN-ms9sg]

this is bloody underrated

[@mimix9242]

I audibly chuckled

[@muchmeister1802]

amazing

[@gtlance1918]

Good one 👍

[@obscure.reference]

damn near killed im

[@dizzyhq5100]

It’s straight up embarrassing that the Chess devs haven’t patched this yet, even though the game is over a thousand years old

[@demoman5864]

Fr sad they are letting the game get overtaken by cheaters and bots.

[@atomic-law7764]

They need to nerf the white team on god

[@Joe-y9t3w]

Also we really need a queen nerf

[@woomp9855]

@@demoman5864 speaking of bots shiii they didnt reply lol

[@Shuzkka420]

Fr man, they are just really lazy.

[@soberhippie3618]

This takes "listen to your gut" to a whole new level

[@caseyb1346]

Nice one, gave me a good belly laugh.

[@machomannco.4569]

It probably did make his belly laugh too.

[@weerobot]

😂

[@ReklawLah]

Magnus basically stepped into a crowded elevator, ripped the stinkiest fart of all time, and then got off on the next floor.

[@xxyvng6831]

I just did that

[@deftrascal1626]

LMAOOOO

[@kminek6548]

@I noone cares

[@tylere.8436]

Just like Trump after Jan 6, some just won't accept the results

[@Your_choise]

@@kminek6548 ignore trolls

[@Mette_Abildgaard]

For some reason, cheating allegations in professional chess are so much wilder than in any other game. A few years ago, Anna Rudolf was accused of hiding a supercomputer in her lip balm. Yep, you read that correctly; a supercomputer in a fucking lip balm. If nothing else, you gotta admire the creative thinking of the accusers, though I think they may have read too many James Bond novels.

[@TheFieryWind99]

Or MacGyver episodes, whichever you prefer.

[@highlander723]

This came across my feed by chance but I find it really interesting... for the record I don't play chess I really played it a couple of times and that was years ago. But I do watch a lot of sports and sometimes the underdog Who has absolutely no chance whatsoever sometimes pulls it out. cheating is a very harsh allegation in any sport. I would imagine chess is no different. However one thing that I'm noticing here is these are allegations and very creative ones. from an outside perspective there are two possibilities. either this guy pulled off one of the greatest upsets in chess history apparently from the way you guys are talking about it. or he did cheat but there's no evidence that he did other than speculation and accusation which don't hold water.

[@AirNeat]

How could he fit a computer in a lip balm??? How could he fit a computer in his pocket????

[@alex2005z]

@@AirNeat fitting a computer into your pocket is easy. Let me remind you you dont need a laptop, something smaller than your phone would work

[@ShihammeDarc]

You don't need a supercomputer to play chess, a computer that could beat anyone in chess could easily fit in a lip balm.

[@definitely_vincible]

as a former chess player that was active for only two weeks this is truly heartbreaking on a personal level, i never expected something like this out of our community

[@Danstry]

ya’ll didn’t even watch the video it is extremely unlikely hans cheated

[@sammymiller7857]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 🤣🤣🤣

[@accuratememin]

@@Danstry That's the joke. The comment is satire. His credibility line is literally "I played chess for two weeks."

[@definitely_vincible]

@@NiceBigHampter bro you acting like you had enough time to watch it in full either, it was uploaded like one minute before my comment

[@Lamiishere]

Cringe af.

[@MegaFreefaller]

Lol, you can literally watch Charlie's hair dry as the video progresses.

[@WesFallaw]

That's funny af

[@saqibanjummasoodi]

🤣🤣🤣🤣...spot on

[@eliastk9108]

😂

[@LikeAGroove]

lmao

[@hish33p32]

Yoo lmfao

[@Lassenissen]

I find it incredibly hilarious that Niemann is 19 but looks 40, and Carlsen is 31 but looks 19.

[@EdgiB0Do]

Maybe its the beads 😳

[@DickDickDikc]

Magnis also acts like he is 19

[@joshualeahy2162]

@@EdgiB0Do 👀😏

[@kolizeum9]

Whatever kind of drugs you’re using I need cuz you’re baked af

[@Thatdudewiththedogs]

1. That’s just not even true really. 2. Why is that hilarious?…

[@JordanTylerVincent]

What gave it away is that he came his pants about 10 minutes into the match

[@rabd3721]

And then Magnus was like "I'LL HAVE WHAT HE'S HAVING!"

[@IllusionSector]

@@rabd3721 I wonder if a presidential candidate fluent in Morse code can win the debate... and orgasm in the process.

[@parknich081]

what

[@Binowhy]

@@parknich081 Prostate stimulation makes you bust, that’s the joke

[@nejamin]

Why doesn’t this comment have more likes lol

[@preciousadedibu1821]

This is the only cheating "scandal" i've ever seen without any evidence whatsoever.

[@tylere.8436]

Almost like the 2020 election

[@GameSquad306]

@@tylere.8436 this mfer just lit a fire in this comment section LMAO

[@tylere.8436]

@@GameSquad306 This video was basically asking for it. I figured I'd make the rabbit hole more deeper.

[@b23beatz]

It's suspicious

[@marlarki5280]

You don't get it, he's acting really sus in interview!!!!!! That's conclusive prove that he cheated!!!

[@mikego7325]

Commentator: “So, why did you play Queen to d4?” Hans: “I guess you could say I had a ‘feeling’ deep inside it was the right move.”

[@oenrn]

It was a gut feeling.

[@christiankneupper7011]

@@oenrnHe just Believed the heart of the cards. or heart of the pieces

[@sickegless9years452]

"Chess speaks for itself " -Hans Neiman

[@jacobnair6707]

He felt a little tingling sensation that that was the right move.

[@aniketroy2656]

@@jacobnair6707 Peter tingle

[@FRIGTARD123]

I've always considered chess a pain in the ass sometimes but not like this

[@napkinbob4689]

funni

[@Local_Laydee]

Who said it was painful 😉

[@simonmcleish2002]

This puts a new meaning to the phrase 'Gut Instinct'

[@Crouton-]

@@Local_Laydee Amen brother 😏

[@thetalantonx]

Q: "Where the hell did you come up with that move?" A: "I just pulled it out of my ass."

[@LordMajicus]

If Hans cheated, it was almost certainly by have someone leak Magnus' prep ahead of time so Hans could study that one line. This would explain why he weirdly said he studied such a rare line, and it would explain why Magnus dropped out - if someone on his team is leaking his prep, he wouldn't want to play more games until he can find out who is doing it.

[@sujatadasroy4269]

now that could be true , although i dont really know enough about the situation lol

[@nafinbong9222]

Thats literally impossible. The world champion trains with a very small and tight group.

[@MonkeyDLuffy60073]

@@nafinbong9222 It's not literally impossible, you showed how with your comment, it could be part of the group.

[@JYouTube123]

the kid won both games, the chess game and the reality game, magnus is in fear and panic, not all that surprising if you watch footage of how emotionally magnus reacted alot of the times when he lose, elon musk knows the reality game very well, thats why he is laughing bhind his iphone now, like it or not everyone is playing the reality game voluntarily or involuntarily

[@ding809]

@@JKZbin123 Take your meds.

[@jaketstephens3932]

Imagine all the Grandmasters having to admit to a full cavity search before playing.

[@busta-_-busta9165]

I would every time 😏

[@chanr9531]

Wtf I’m becoming a GM now

[@Sneeds_Feed_And_Seed69]

@@busta-_-busta9165 Fruiity

[@analoghabits9217]

The most compelling theory imo is that carlsen has suspected for a while that someone on his prep team has been leaking info, so he chose an obscure line & behold, niemann just happened to have studied that kind of line for their match. When he asserts that he never cheated over the board, he could still feel truthful if the cheating was during prep off the board.

[@Anonymous-hm9dc]

this is bullshit by the way lol I can't believe this theory is so popular

[@perspectiveotaku3438]

That theory makes sense and blurs the line of cheating too

[@Anonymous-hm9dc]

​@@perspectiveotaku3438 yes, Magnus' seconds who have known him for 15 years decided to leak preparation to some random grandmaster in a classical event. People who don't actively play tournament chess don't realize that preparation is a two way street. You can't just leak some preparation, if you leaked some, you have to leak all of it, because his prep is also based on what his opponent's moves. and are kept in large databanks. And if you try to tell me that Magnus Carlsen, world champion, was outprepped by someone who looked at his prep that morning and he has been looking at it for years, I'd think you were delusional. (I.e Hans recieved a wildcard to be in this event; he knew about his participation for a week max. and if you try to squeeze 10 years of world championship level preparation into a week, good luck lol) This also means Magnus is a bigger piece of shit than ever before because if that's the case, he just let a 19 year old kid get harrassed on the internet for two weeks when a 5 word tweet could've stopped it if it was a prep leak. Also, Magnus' seconds have already come out on chess24 saying that theory isn't true at all ^_^ but it's plausible because that's' what you want to cling to. If you ignore all the facts, then anything can make sense.

[@AirNeat]

@@Anonymous-hm9dc The people who possibly leaked it came out and said they didn't leak it? Really, that's your evidence?

[@Anonymous-hm9dc]

@@AirNeat is your theory that his entire prep team betrayed him? Yeah didn’t think so.

[@puzzLEGO]

Something to note is that Hans did not play the best moves most of the time, and played a few sub-optimal moves which could have sabotaged his gameplay. So, at the very least, he was still able to execute the win with some of his own moves.

[@snickersnacker4502]

This could potentially have been him throwing in his own moves on occasion to help throw off anyone who might think he's using a bot. Purposely choosing not to follow the moves on occasion just to further hide the moves that were from an AI. Or to avoid moves that would more obviously be made by an AI. That's just a potential idea though. Would still be risky throwing in his own moves either way if he was cheating. But this is all still assuming he did cheat with this line of thought. No way to say for sure until someone comes out and says it with the authority to say so.

[@puzzLEGO]

@@snickersnacker4502 yes, cheaters do intentionally not pick the best move but that would involve the computer relaying all the top 10 moves to him because sometimes he plays a move which is fine but not in the realm of even the top 5 computer recommended

[@nonmagicalwitch]

Didnt feel the vibration the right way I guess

[@snickersnacker4502]

@@puzzLEGO Lets be honest, the scariest and most powerful cheaters would be the ones that actually have the skills to back themselves up without the cheats.... Though the idea of him having to casually sit through over ten moves worth of Morse code vibrations is hilarious.

[@WolfieXp]

@@puzzLEGO The thing about chess cheaters in pro settings like this is that the person cheating is already insanely good at the game. Even if Hans were to cheat, it's safe to assume that he'd already be amazing at the game without cheats anyway, so he wouldn't need the bot to tell him the top 10 moves, since the move he'd do with his own skill is most likely already in the top 10.

[@michaelgove9349]

It's not cheating. Hans just has a firm grasp of his opening. - Edit : No, I just mean... he's tight in the fundaments...

[@xinpingdonohoe3978]

Next time you put an edit part in your comment, you might as well edit your comment.

[@michaelgove9349]

​@@xinpingdonohoe3978 Sorry, I never edit any comments. No exceptions. But you could always edit yours, and then tell me your spelling mistake was all part of the plan.

[@xinpingdonohoe3978]

@@michaelgove9349 you fool. That was all part of the plan. My comment is now edited, and your comment shows that it's actually an edit.

[@hjomnk4056]

@@xinpingdonohoe3978 mans 6 moves ahead

[@oenrn]

Best one so far.

[@ixilancerixi3195]

Imagine being so good at Chess that when you lose everyone instantly thinks your opponent cheated. Seen vids about him, can definitely understand why they would think that.

[@maxmoralescastro9876]

yeah, the main problem is that, Magnus has lost before but he has never done something like that + the interview that was so sus. I think is just an accumulation of factors that crated the whole problem and not just one specific thing.

[@jdjnfjb827]

It's not that he was too good(he is) but that Hans is really bad Statistically Hans should have won 1 in every 100 games vs Magnus Which is just nuts that Hans won

[@MattM-oe6qs]

@@jdjnfjb827 if he loses the next 99 then the statistic is validated. No one said he has to lose the 99 first.

[@jdjnfjb827]

@@MattM-oe6qs that's not how statistics work bro... LOL It means that's there's a 1% chance every game of Hans winning and a 99% chance of Magnus winning every game If we translate that and add on to it the fact that Hans is a known cheater, knew all the 20 initial machine movements of an Opening that Magnus had never played before and also couldn't explain his though process for his moves Then I think that maybe he cheated

[@Grant849]

@@jdjnfjb827 in reality it's a high probability, cause he won so. . .

[@craig5322]

If Joel Haver hadn't invented the term "insano style" a few months ago, humans would have no language to describe this event. Thank you Joel

[@justkingsley9244]

This comment goes insano style.

[@attithemusician]

I caught it in the video and thought man the way he just used insaneo style was pretty insaneo style

[@yeetwchybaban]

Crazy

[@DCCLXII]

Thank you Joel

[@Luddle_Puddle]

Insaneo style goes insaneo style

[@Miss_All_Sundays]

If that man was able to get a high level chess win by reading vibrations with his rectum, I say let him keep it.

[@TheSun_TheMoon_TheStar]

facts

[@grizzfan12]

As a chess player on cool math games for approximatley 30 minutes, im so sad that this happened

[@Cheapducky]

As someone who recently learned their computer comes bundled with a chess app, I can't believe our community would devolve to such meaningless drama.

[@Hydro-_-]

"meaningless" you do realize these are their careers and professional chess is more dignified than you can imagine.

[@roykoopa4real]

@@Hydro-_- 🤓🤓🤓🤓

[@kookthekid8338]

@@Hydro-_- lives aren’t on the line and they play a game for a living. This is the literally definition of meaningless drama. It’s like a baseball pitcher getting caught with stickum. Literally meaningless.

[@Hydro-_-]

@@roykoopa4real nah but the anal beads is funny asf

[@alhassanalsumali6103]

@@Hydro-_- i know right cheating in chess what’s next the apocalypse

[@paquio100]

As someone who has won one game of chess in his life, this is earth shattering for me. I am not okay.

[@dooflydetailguuy4349]

I beat Randy in middle school and he refused to shake my hand.

[@SquishySharkTV]

I beat a guy in chess several months ago and now he's in prison. Checkmate, my dude.

[@maspesasmasperras5554]

As a rectal chess master this is ok

[@dreamybuster]

As a penial chess gm I concur

[@valleyluvsU]

never played, no opinion 🥹

[@hugoleroux4460]

If this scandal isn't called "bussygate" I will be mad.

[@Lemonbread123]

Mangus: "holy shit that was the perfect move" Hans: "AUGHHHHH"

[@MF-rtard89]

hahahahahahaha holy fuck this comment got me

[@Bazookaboy23]

If Hanz truly didn't cheat, how embarrassing would this be for Magnus and the chess community xD

[@snowhawk4049]

I doubt Hans would cheat against Magnus, if you pull something like this then in a less obvious way against a weaker player.

[@hydoken123]

It doesnt look like he cheated otb.

[@bighillraft]

@@snowhawk4049 why would you cheat against a weaker player that doesn't make any sense especially in a game like chess

[@ignis6144]

@@bighillraft bc it’s a free win with no suspicion

[@idiot4177]

@@ignis6144 theres no point though, you can just... win normally if they're weaker

[@iimlazyy]

As a guy that has only played chess once years ago in school and lost This has me quaking, shaking on my bed i am absolutely quintuckeled insano indeed

[@personexistingnot]

Indubitably.

[@NotUrProfile]

@@personexistingnot 🧐

[@mrred9474]

Hans was probably shaking too.

[@breymantis]

@@mrred9474 hans kim

[@mac_sour]

@@mrred9474 probably from all of the anal bead vibrations during the match, i wouldn't blame him 🤪🤤😫

[@berke2336]

as someone who is on the spectrum, the chess community online makes me look neurotypical

[@michaelgove9349]

It's kinda reassuring, isn't it? There's a fantastic interview with Carlsen somewhere on KZbin which takes place in the London Eye. So basically, he is in this specially designed transparent capsule, raised high into the air to provide a panoramic view of the city - *and he doesn't look out once, not even a single glance.* All he does is talk about chess, the entire time. 🤣

[@Culiaoficial]

SpRectum

[@xander6153]

@@Culiaoficial “translated to straight by google” 💀

[@ABirdNamedBirdie]

HHEJAHDHJS

[@Emu-Otori-]

@@michaelgove9349he was there for an interview so he did the interview?

[@ELSanezu]

The most believable and reasonable explanation I've seen is that someone close to Magnus leaked the strategy he was gonna use against Hans. So Hans obviously just prepared for it like he admitted in the interview

[@carpedm9846]

Or like. Couldnt it just be that he studied various strategies before the tournemant, and went "ah yeah, magnus used a tactic I prepared for."

[@crocidayle]

@@carpedm9846 No, because Magnus has never played that line before with either black or white

[@rat8294]

@@carpedm9846 well Magnus only used the line once and usually they study the more used lines because the person is more likely to do those lines so the chances os hans knowing the line that was used once is very low

[@cecilasen]

Thing is, as a chess player you don't just have this secret "chess strategy I'll use tomorrow" diary or idea like chess is a perfect information game that's not really a thing. People have been talking about leaked opening preps but 1) If you wanted to leak his prep which is already weird if you had something against him or smth *you don't give it to Hans when he is playing black against magnus* 2) the more real point, you don't really have one opening in this secret folder, when you prepare for a game you look at multiple lines and sidelines on your chessbase which is basically like a large note system software for chess so if someone was to leak his prep that would be like me asking for some cheat sheet before a test and someone handing me a book. Han's interviews have been absolutely dogshit but there's no clear indication or any indication that he cheated. It's just magnus leaving the tournament which is an absolutely terrible thing to do in a round robin tournament made people think it had something to do with cheating and then chess streamers like hikaru just hopped on that bandwagon for content. Clearly magnus thinks he did cheat because he didn't come out to clear anything up for this entire time but there's simply no proof so that's just being a dick

[@aveniryasinsky5580]

@@carpedm9846 you clearly dont know how chess works

[@jushthehermit]

Also, I think it's not uncommon for Magnus to start making blunders after several HOURS of chess. I don't know how many hours both players had played that day up to then, but chess tournaments are some of the most mentally taxing things for a human being. Magnus was probably burnt out, while Hans was on fire that day.

[@avilancer2516]

@@LowChow subhuman

[@myralyra2404]

@@LowChow I do!

[@Ceu.Noturno]

@@LowChow the whole chess community does

[@genericname2747]

@@LowChow bro, this is a video about chess

[@jimmysamson3511]

@@LowChow kid can't accept that Magnus lost

[@nd_kui1772]

As a cheese eater myself, this is so heart breaking. Imma go smoke a doobie

[@WolfiiHD]

Same. Enjoy your smoke brother 💯

[@josephkehler5241]

Im drinking a cheese and orange milk shake myself

[@jamesmcivor340]

@@josephkehler5241 😐 w......tf

[@basedtortellini]

yo can i get a hit of that

[@josephkehler5241]

@@jamesmcivor340 new Bothwell mild give it a try

[@snarf1851]

The most annoying thing about this whole situation is fairly prominent figures in the chess community on the Hans cheated bandwagon led me and I'm sure many other people to believe the moves he played were inconceivable and something only a chess bot would come up with. Which is simply not true. The line he played has been done before and is very much something you can study. It's really sad such popular people in chess are being so disingenuous.

[@paulplockinger431]

Hikaru throwing blame with no evidence

[@snarf1851]

@@paulplockinger431 Edit: i Stand corrected. I mixed up levy and Hikaru's analysis. Levy is pretty unbias in this situation. "Well not just Hikaru. Gothamchess had me convinced based on his review of the game and post interview that the line he played didn't exist and that all his moves went against chess theory. Later to find out that was all completely false."

[@Conduit_K]

@@paulplockinger431 honestly made me lose a little respect for him it’s sad and I genuinely believe it comes from a place of him thinking “if I couldn’t beat him there’s no way this guy did”. Even if Hans did cheat it’s sad to see all these guys immediately jump to conclusions, you’d expect more contemplation on issues like this from top lvl chess players but I guess not.

[@eragon78]

@@paulplockinger431 There is some evidence, its just not conclusive evidence. Evidence is just anything that supports a conclusion. Tons of evidence exists. Its just that when you want to make a conviction, you need conclusive evidence. Not all evidence is proof that something happened. You can even have evidence for stuff that isnt true without it being contradictory. But conclusive evidence is when the evidence is strong enough to actually prove the statement. But yea, evidence comes in many different levels. to say there is NO evidence is a bit naive, there just wasnt any conclusive evidence. But there definitely IS some evidence.

[@killerbug05]

@@snarf1851 "well not just hikaru. Hikaru's puppet is also pushing what hikaru is preaching" I wonder why I'm not surprised. No offense to gothamchess I like a lot of his videos, but he has possible bias in this situation.

[@mcsnuggie]

Hans halfway through the match said "my mind is telling me no... but my bodyyy is telling me yesss"

[@drekthedestroyer2115]

Could you imagine if you were innocent in this situation, and are being attacked to this level just because you beat someone? Crazy as hell

[@DarkFlameVee]

Maybe If he didn’t act all sus during the interview

[@elianjoensen2756]

now imagine if you’re guilty. that shit craaaaaazy

[@lolhavefun9201]

It's damn near impossible to beat Magnus , that's why

[@thwomp1542]

@@lolhavefun9201 Except he lost. So it's not impossible.

[@voicey5831]

@@thwomp1542 That's the whole point of him cheating tho?

[@lillykopp6897]

I find this story so funny and it just seems like people don't want to believe that magnus could lose

[@Ebani]

That's not how chess works buddy, if any random person could do what he did then we wouldn't be here in the first place.

[@ramsey6507]

@@Ebani facts

[@Eiden_Simply]

@@Ebani but it really isn't a random player, as i understand it it's the player ranked 49th in the world

[@seyo8316]

@@Eiden_Simply you dont know chess dont speak on chess if you dont know how it works

[@hexrin5191]

Magnus loses relatively often, it's more the fact that he withdrew from a tournament which is extremely, extremely rare in chess combined with Hans' behavior. Moreover, Magnus is the single most respected individual in the sport. It would be like Federer, Nadal and Djokovic all accusing the same person of cheating. It's not proof but you damn sure have to look into it.

[@mulliano420]

Me: standing up Charles: you’re gonna wanna take a seat **scandal is revealed** Me: gasping for air

[@benprescott9217]

@KINDLY HELP ME REACH TO 99K SUB Nobody gives a shit about your profile picture

[@beefmeatloaf]

You should have sat down smh

[@theoverlord4218]

At least people in wheelchairs watching this video are safe

[@beefmeatloaf]

@@theoverlord4218 galaxy brain strats

[@NightRogue77]

The way he so nonchalantly talks about all this really enhances the experience for me

[@justgemthings]

Magnus: *makes a move* Hans: 😩😩😫... I'll now make my move.😎

[@actionchess64]

I was at a chess competition once, and a guy literally had his phone sticking out of his pocket that had the position on the board 🤣The tournament director was called and the guy started crying lol Cheating in chess now is easier than ever, but it sucks when it comes down to competitions with prizes and etc. that it's something you potentially have to worry about. There've been times when I played people I thought were cheating, I keep my eyes on them. Anyway, great video!

[@totalhysteria]

Very easy to cheat actually. You can just go to the bathroom during the match and use stockfish to your benefit. Any player above 1600 ELO with decent memory can easily reconstruct a positon on their phone after leaving the board. And then getting a full evaluation from the engine. Giving them information about who stands better and key ideas in the position. It's so easy to get away with, without raising any suspicion, as long as you don't abuse this and check for every move. Best you can do is probably just to be aware and keep your eyes on suspects, as you said.

[@mice4486]

@@totalhysteria thanks 4 the advise 🚶

[@totalhysteria]

@@mice4486 🤣

[@aliakeel]

action chess ac assassin creed

[@ordinaryopinion-1]

I’m literally a better chess player than you dude

[@KevinsDisobedience]

First time viewer. Just wanted to say you are a very confident, eloquent, witty raconteur. Very entertaining! Thanks for this recap…now add the two move withdrawal online and we’ve got ourselves a story.

[@elementallobsterx]

🧐

[@alviGD]

🤓🤓🤓

[@notsocrates5979]

I think that the guy just played the singular best game of chess in his life, so damn good that he got real life botting allegations. What a fucking legend

[@jadgonunnn4024]

@Ll L nah hes just that good. Its happened to me before. Not chess tho

[@spagetter]

@@rudolphschmidt313 Did you click away after the first minute? Charlie stated that he doesn't think Niemann cheated.

[@Tunkert]

Didn't he say it was all prep. Meaning they are basically bot moves, just that he memorized them

[@idontcare9041]

I feel bad for him. Imagine you win against the best player in the world and no one believes you and now you stand there as a liar and cheater and your career might be damaged... that really sucks.

[@nobodynowhere8061]

I think that’s possible, but the evidence against him is compelling

[@MrMan-mm9bn]

as a 400 rated chess player this is truly shocking

[@kevinmahaley4916]

Wow, I'm easily 423 noob

[@PolemicalKobra]

@@kevinmahaley4916 try getting to 458 before you start talking, buddy.

[@sawyer5072]

Fools, I'm up at 460. Nvm now I'm at 434 :(

[@thomashanson3476]

@@sawyer5072 I just hit 652

[@Gherkins]

@@sawyer5072 not even 20 minutes bruh 😭

[@Spartan_Jackal]

1:24 That was definitely a string of words that I never expected to hear put together

[@takeachance5881]

The best theory I've seen yet is that, Hans got a hold on Magnus' prep and prepared accordingly (with engine help before the game). It fits that he cannot explain properly about his moves, which is not as easily explained by "scatterbrained" as Charlie would've thought, since at that level it's near impossible to play on intuition and not understanding your own moves. It also fits that tournament didn't detect this, because there's no "cheating" during the game. It also fits that Magnus withdrew from the tournament, since if your prep is being leaked it's going to be an uphill battle for him when all his opponents can engine prep against his prep beforehand. Not being able to trust your own team for not sabotaging you also doesn't help.

[@skeletonwar4445]

Yeah I think this is the most likely scenario as well. Especially since Hans said he just happened to reference that opening by chance... from a game that... Magnus never played.

[@somebodyhere3160]

@@skeletonwar4445 the game actually happened, but it simply transposed from a different position. Still though, the fact that he miraculously “stumbled” upon that game in the morning is incredibly sus

[@radovanobal3842]

@@skeletonwar4445 1 time*

[@Temptthedevil]

@@skeletonwar4445 Yeah definitely. It also fits with why Magnus hasn't made a statement if all he has a strong suspicions but maybe hasn't yet flushed out the mole.

[@skeletonwar4445]

@@somebodyhere3160 Oh did it? I thought Hans pointed out a specific tournament match as his reference which didn't take place. Could you elaborate?

[@jth_printed_designs]

It’s really weird that they’re just automatically like “yup, he cheated!” because the #1 guy got beat. Just because you’re the best doesn’t mean you’re unbeatable.

[@wlockuz4467]

Especially when Magnus's behaviour about this whole scene has been that of a child, he lost, he tweeted, then disappeared. For someone who is #1 I expected him to be more mature.

[@Rengal96]

Like Charlie pointed out in the video, people were already sceptical before Magnus' tweet because of his suspicious responses in interviews.

[@AirNeat]

Except that's not the only reason why people think he cheated. In the post-game interview he doesn't understand anything that's going on and can't explain it, misses some extremely obvious moves that even the casters saw.

[@AirNeat]

​@@wlockuz4467 You think a child would quietly quit without accusing someone publicly and throwing a tantrum? Hilarious! You must have never interacted with a child before. Check out Trump's Twitter after he lost for what you think is an apparently "mature" response to losing to someone you think cheated.

[@123-.-]

@@AirNeat I think he didn’t do any interviews the allegations would have already died down now and people would be waiting for magnus response. The interviews just caused a whole other level of ambiguity that wasn’t there before

[@nickodevoe]

From now on, mandatory butthole inspections for all athletes and chess players. They should release this to the public for full "visibility"

[@theletters9623]

I love hearing about scandals I have absolutely no emotional stakes in this is wild

[@yahmaniprice2587]

My man stuck some vibrating shit up his ass just to win a chess game. That dedication 🤌🏾

[@atomic-law7764]

I could have sworn Charlie said that wouldn't work sitting down lol. Ig we were all fooled lol

[@Lucas_Jeffrey]

I thought that was a chicken wing emoji for a moment

[@ninjireal]

what’s the big deal I do it all the time

[@marlarki5280]

Why is some random internet rumour just taken as a fact now? It's just stupid

[@kenos911]

Who said he wasn’t gonna do that regardless 😉

[@GMHikaruClips]

1:50 "in a buttshell" - Missed opportunity.

[@Poppomatic64]

That whole “where you sit” cheat seems so Galaxy brained that it’s probably less of a pain in the ass to just become a grandmaster

[@Finnjaymakes]

5:45 That weed must be hitting different for Rolling stone lol

[@blzahz7633]

The RF scanner doesn't necessarily pick up on devices that only receive information, so scanning a person might not work with the wand. If it was a metal detector, then it's a matter of how sensitive it is.

[@rebelflamingo470]

I was going to say the same thing. When I was in the psychiatric hospital, patients often were able to sneak various objects on their person in through the RF scanner they use when we are admitted. This is also considering they check your bag and your clothes to make sure they are considered safe

[@Questionable_Content]

I honestly feel bad for the kid. He's having his name dragged through the mud on a baseless claim. Ridiculous that a whole news cycle was spun up about a salacious rumor with no evidence

[@austinpatterson1388]

Finally, this comment. Man this is the real illusion Charlie was talking about I think. You never really know unless you know. The kid won.

[@enginerdy]

“mud”

[@apathyreaper5323]

@@austinpatterson1388 Won? The kid is known the ass bead cheater and is banned how the fuck did he win lol

[@MrSoso1050]

So you want me to believe he won by pure luck. Dude that's just doesn't apply in chess there's no way you can win by pure luck.

[@isabella16939]

@@MrSoso1050 No, he won because he played well. He's a fast rising young grandmaster. It happens.

[@rolirolster]

A couple of points Hikaru brought up. The picture of Hans getting scanned by the wand is after the Carlsen match. They only brought it in then, so it wasn't there when he played Magnus. Secondly, they don't search your shoes at that tournament, which is important because there's something called "sockfish". He definitely had a larger opportunity to cheat than Charlie realises.

[@jamesflames6987]

The real scandal will break when it's revealed that ALL of the top chess players are using butt computers. Magnus Carlsen is only the champion because he has the most capacious rectum therefore allowing him to carry the most powerful computer hardware.

[@silverhawkroman]

Problem is, there's two settings typically on those: ultra loud and non existent. If only we had footage we could analyze how often the guy was O facing and everyone looking around for a phone

[@newt2120]

yo...how do you know about the settings...?

[@toffeelatte6042]

I still remember when Charlie won a chess game in fucking MERE. Magnus doesn't lose often, when he does it's usually to a massive upset. That's what makes this moderately believeable he got caught off guard. It's like in a lot of games if you play vs someone reasonably lower ranked than you, it's hard to play vs them because they make odd mistakes/moves or unforced errors that you can't actually afford to punish. I remember at a LAN during an SC2 tournament as a GM I nearly lost to a Gold zerg in ZVZ (it was an open BYOC tournament with random groups). He wasn't anything special, his micro was awful, but he understood the game and his macro speed was incredible he kept up with me. But then when he had me against a wall rather than starving me, chose to pull the trigger and in typical gold player fashion attack moved his entire army into my natural and I blew him up. 5 more minutes of him simply continuing to do what he was already doing and I'd have lost. I'd simply never seen an opener as aggressive as his before neither did I expect a gold player to have the macro capability to back up an economy behind it; normally when low elo players attempt aggressive openers they don't macro behind it very well and supply cap/pool resources. It massively caught me off. TLDR I don't think Hans cheated. I think he just played out his fucking head.

[@aszhara2900]

I once won a small tennis tournament (with a simplified point system to speed it up, since it was a school tournament) where I dominated every game to 0, only ever hitting the ball with a slice or other non-conventional hits. I was playing for around ten years and I've already won actual tournaments. Except for the game against the person who has never held a fucking tennis racket in his life, I don't even know why he participated. His "play style" was just so foreign to me that it caught me of guard and I only managed to score a few points. I started actually trying and he still utterly clapped me, no diff. And the best thing was, he lost every other game. It was really funny tbh

[@sugardoll5236]

not gonna lie i know nothing about competitive chess but this is literally league of legends terminology lmfao all nerds are the same

[@jerich0hdeer]

@@sugardoll5236 I don't think this person is talking about chess

[@kevinhansen9258]

true but this just doesn't happen to Magnus. He doesn't lose against lowranked players.

[@GrabnarMyers]

This isnt what happened at all though, like you clearly have no idea about the actual moves that happened in the game. Im not trying to be rude. Hans centipawn loss was almost nothing for a player of his calibre in such a niche line

[@SKRUBL0RD]

2 things: 1. the extensive security checks were implemented the following session after magnus resigned, not all along the way 2. top GMs do not think hans had anal beads or whatever, that was a reddit theory by imaginative gachi fans, all top GMs say most likely magnus' prep got leaked which implies hans paid someone off or is friends with someone in magnus' team.

[@SenatorSigma]

5:50 I had to set the whisky down and press left arrow

[@professionalamateur417]

As a Chess lover, I can’t even believe stuff like this happens. It’s simply too embarrassing in every single way. I’m glad Charlie is talking about this though.

[@TK--hf6db]

You shouldn't be embarrassed if you aren't a competitive player.

[@scooter677]

Levy rosman aka Gotham chess talked about it first. Unfortunately Charlie does not have the jurisdiction to milk this for content. Only chess players like Gotham. So me and my company are taking this video down asap

[@FlotationDevice101]

@@scooter677 k

[@TK--hf6db]

@@scooter677 Ok lol good luck on attacking reporters for reporting.

[@MrLoowiz]

@@scooter677 You don't even have pubes, how are we expected to believe you actually have a company?

[@aqua-bery]

You could theoretically buy the exact same wand they use to scan you. Then you can experiment and see what materials it can see through and which ones it can't. You could then find a material that's both safe for a human ass and blocks the scans from the wand and make a but plug with a radio reciever and a rumble motor. Edit: you could then have a radio transmitter, transmitting the encrypted moves along with noise that the reciever is programed not to read during the match. To cover your ass even better you could transmit the noise for a few months before you plan to cheat and then a few months later.

[@paranoia0like0hell]

First of all, "Blocking" the detector activates it. And to your edit: How do you expect a material to block the electromagnetic field of the detector, but let throuh radio/microwaves unhindered?

[@Inertia888]

@@paranoia0like0hell just a thought, a chip and be set to 'sleep' for a certain period of time. this would allow the device to pass security, and 'wake up' after the player is inside.

[@shelbynorthern5766]

@@Inertia888 people really don't realize with a little creativity anything is possible, because usually when you pull out a strat like sleeping the chip in any other conversation, they say "Would someone really do that for something so small?" But in this case the stakes are clear, so wild strategies to cheat are on the table, pun intended.

[@samuelallan7452]

@darrick steele not saying it isn't possible but doing just that would not help if the parts are still metal (afaik EM waves will induce eddy currents in the metal regardless of whether there is a closed circuit). There exist other ways of doing computation but that's really far fetched imo that's more nuclear military equipment territory

[@willvrtist]

Charlie always finds a way to nonchalantly make the intro funny as fuck and then proceeds to use the funniest analogies, metaphors and idioms to format his jokes. I'd genuinely say he's a comedian coz no actual comedian can make me laugh unlike this guy🤣🤣

[@BrothersofOG]

Funny if you’re 16

[@arandomcommenter412]

@@BrothersofOG oh no 16 year olds!1!2’wnnqbqnqnwbwhdovw I I j hav:?.63😅❤🎉🎉🎉😅❤😊🎉😅😮

[@eimaj3185]

@@BrothersofOG 🛻

[@MrMojoman1236]

@@BrothersofOG yet you’re in the comments on his video? Grow up

[@luciddream5055]

Yea it gets stale over time, but i don't watch him for his jokes. He is genuienly an entertaining guy

[@thefriendlyghost8193]

While the anal beads theory is very convincing, i think the most likely cheat method was that someone in Magnus' team leaked his game plan to Hans. it would give him time to study that opening like he mentioned.

[@KaaneDragonShinobi]

team? But it's a single player sport-

[@alecryankevinbryanrjdelila7334]

@@KaaneDragonShinobi In professional chess, you can have teams in between games to discuss strategy.

[@jonathanpilcher337]

Either that or luck was just on his side

[@KaaneDragonShinobi]

@@alecryankevinbryanrjdelila7334 that's fair, I didn't know it was a thing

[@idontcare9041]

Maybe Magnus meant to say that some guy in his team betrayed him and not that Hans cheated. However... from my understanding Magnus is a bit arrogant and I believe it's possible that he was just that salty about losing

[@mierardi88]

1:25 wow... I did not know I could be shocked or surprised any more. Thank you, Charlie

[@deathstrike]

First off I'd like to thank you Penguin for keeping it with the facts, and not the emotional garbage that has shat it's way upon the net. You kept it open, you kept it real, and as a fellow chess player I truly admire that. Now onto the show. A decade or so ago, a group of buddies of mine were asked by a high (not pro) level chess player to devise ways of cheating. So we did. We came up with hearing aids with vibe function that could beep very softly but gently vibrates the ear canal. We have thought of glasses with thick sides that could house a small vibrating receiver. Fake skin along the collarbone area to conceal a small transmitter. Basically most avenues of cheating currently available with present technology. And our conclusion was simple. There only needs to be a low level "jamming field" covering the 2.4GHz and 5GHz region and that alone would eliminate about 90% of the cheating. But.....and I do stress BUT....there are other frequencies ,and even the use of light patterns emanating from a small, mid infrared laser that could potentially be picked up by a set of contact lenses specially made to "see" a particular wavelength and others would not see it. The "lights" would be simply aimed at the player and a morse code to transmit the chess notation (1 thru 8 vertical and A thru H horizontally). After that it would only need to say 1 dot for 1 vertical and 1 dot for A (2 dots total) and for say H2 to H4 would be 4 dots to indicate Vertical Line destinstion of H4 and 8 dots to indicate the Pawn at H2. So it would be saying "move pawn at H2 two steps to H4. Now I'm sure a more compact code could be devised, but this is just a VERY basic way to send cheat moves. It seems extremely difficult and elaborate, but there have been cases of transmitters being in a pant cuff and an individual in a bathroom or room that isn't visited with a computer rig sending moves.

[@trutty]

"everyone expected Magnus to just blue waffle Hans" Jesus Christ dude

[@ravishoul1432]

What means that

[@drunkenhobo5039]

@@ravishoul1432 Do not, under any circumstances look that up. Maintain your innocence.

[@preshooes]

im searching it, farewell.

[@preshooes]

i cant find anything disturbing LMAO, just waffles and then searched for the disease and its nothing disturbing at all unless im searching for the wrong thing

[@Punttipate62]

@@preshooes yeah no you didn't find the real pictures, thankfully

[@jordanlarson6488]

Below are critical clarifications needed/missing from this analysis from what i understand of this situation: 1 - That high level of security shown in this video was added after the match Magnus lost. There wasn't security as intense for that original Magnus-Hans game, and Hans lost his subsequent match to a lesser opponent after the beefed up security was put in place. 2 - A more likely theory that actual chess players are discussing is that Hans had an informant from Magnus' camp that leaked the line Magnus was preparing to play, which allowed Hans to study it ahead of time as he said he did. 3 - The line Magnus played is SUPER rare and unusual. It's extremely EXTREMELY unlikely that Hans would've studied it in prep for this game if her hadn't been tipped off. 4 - It's believed Magnus chose that line specifically to try and bait Hans to see if he'd play like a bot, which would indicate he's cheating because there would be almost no way he should've been familiar with that line. 5 - Magnus has lost to lower tier players in the past, and has been very public and gracious with his praise of their play and/or his willingness to admit his mistakes in his own play during those games. In other words, Magnus has never implied anyone has cheater before, even after unexpected embarrassing losses, so this being a sore loser ego play by Magnus is very unlikely. 6 - The post match interviews from their competition are way more damning than this video makes them sound. All serious chess players get MAJOR red flags from those interviews, as Hans can't even explain the calculations of certain moves that players way below his rating could easily explain (something nerves shouldn't effect), and he over and over again just says "the move speaks for itself" or "it's obvious" but he never actually seems capable of explaining the play at all.

[@jordanlarson6488]

Even if all of that is true, there's always the possibility Hans just got borderline impossibly lucky and played the exact right moves despite not understanding the line. Again, extremely improbable, but not impossible. All the signs point to some thing very fishy, but we may never know for sure.

[@d1sasteroid]

this!!! agreed

[@imtroublesome]

beads

[@spagetter]

Man, that must've been a dream luck!

[@nobodynowhere8061]

@@jordanlarson6488 That is possible, but you have to admit, the allegations aren’t based off of nothing

[@BuckyKattGetFuzzy]

IASIP actually used this as inspiration for an episode.

[@Leotaa_]

Magnus and Hans had a steamy moment after the match, in which Magnus found the anal beads 'on' Hans' person. A dramatic argument insued, tears were shed, and they both left the situation feeling betrayed. Magnus therefore believes Hans cheated, but doesn't want to come forward with the evidence because he's embarrassed. /j

[@solomonchild3398]

Solved. This is the conclusion I am going to accept and I will never look up this issue again so now this is canon to me.

[@codysewell4775]

Oh Hans was cheating on Magnus with the beads, just not in chess.

[@LS19981]

netflix adaptation when

[@huohao6624]

Ao3 writers belike:

[@randomname9291]

The original theory was that magnus invented the product and Hans eventually stole it from him but magnus couldn’t come forth with that evidence because he’d oust himself as well.

[@ZuLuuuuuu]

If Magnus came out immediately after his tweet when people started talking about cheating accusations and said "No no I was misunderstood, I wasn't accusing him of cheating" then okay, but at this point it is pretty obvious that he WAS accusing Hans of cheating.

[@eragon78]

How do you know that? He never mentioned Han's name, nor did he mention cheating. Its pretty hard to accuse something when you dont ever mention their name nor the thing you are accusing them of. Literally all he said was that he is withdrawing from the tournament, and he cant give a reason why because he would get in trouble. Anything else we can infer from that is purely speculation. Speculation being the exact thing that everyone is getting mad people are doing about the whole situation with Hans. Magnus did not accuse Hans. At WORST Magnus may think Hans cheated, but he actively kept that position private to himself. He didnt accuse anyone.

[@Kmosely42]

@@eragon78 You do realize that video clip is from a "cheating" incident right. That's not magnus in that clip, it's a soccer coach who was thrown out of the match earlier for accusing the referees of not playing fair. When asked about how he felt the game played out, he goes on a tangent that starts with "If I speak I am in big trouble" but then indirectly suggests that there was unfair play and it was all the refs fault. Its quite a meme in the 'futbol' world, I dont watch it that much and I know what it is.

[@eragon78]

@@Kmosely42 Sure, what about it? its just a clip. People use clips that had to do with a situation different than the situation they were using the clip for all the time. Clips are always taken out of context and basically nobody uses them with their original context in mind. Its the internet, thats how it works these days. Just because the original clip has some context behind it, all you can really infer when someone posts a clip is the thing the clip actively says. Hell, how do you even know that Magnus knows the original context of that clip? Maybe he just found a random clip saying he cant speak and went with it. I mean, you could also be right and there is a hidden meaning behind the clip too. But the point is you dont know that for sure. Nobody does. Its purely speculation. Again, this is the internet, clips are ALWAYS taken out of context. Basically every Gif out there has the context so far removed that I doubt the majority of people using them even know where they originally came from. So yea, maybe Magnus is giving some secret wink and nod with that clip, or maybe he's literally just saying "I cannot give my reason why I left". Anything past that is just speculation.

[@ZuLuuuuuu]

@@eragon78 Are you for real?

[@eragon78]

@@ZuLuuuuuu Yea. I dont believe anything Ive said is unreasonable.

[@CarburetorThompson]

Should’ve just given the standard NASCAR interview answers “We just wanted to go out there today play a good game of chess, we did our best, everyone did their best, it was a good day of chess for us.”

[@nafinbong9222]

I don’t think the location for the beads has many nerves so it would need to be really deep to avoid detection and transmit coherent messages.

[@tannorhighroller7517]

Either Hans has figured out some astronomical, undetectable, past the point of human recognition way of cheating, or Magnus is just a big baby. I chose to believe the latter. Sometimes in rare instances with two high level chess players, an individual just plays better. Its not beyond the scope of reality that Carlsen just didn't play as good. Anyone who has played chess for a while will tell you, even against a worse opponent, things can just happen that you don't predict, or you can just have a fluke game. I just think all the chess purists and Magnus fart inhalers can't accept the fact that their messiah has lost a game and refuse to give credit where it is due to Hans, which is in and of itself a very sad thing. chess is known for being a very gatekeeping game so to see all of this unfold is VERY unsurprising.

[@windy8544]

it's gatekeeping to the point where nobody even considers that magnus could've left for any other reason than gatekeeping

[@vinny985]

it honestly just sounds like this guy underestimated his younger and a less experienced opponent, thought he would ace the match anyway and got bitter when he lost, mind you i don’t know anything about chess but it just seems wayyy more likely than the anal beads theory lmao

[@LordFra-l]

«Magnus is just a big baby» he has literally never acted this way and is extremely respectful when it comes to losing. In every other instance he lost he has came to the conclusion "he played better than me and I played poorly" but this time he acts completely different. Magnus is super respected because he’s not cocky and admits when he played poorly.

[@crypticlish6717]

"Big baby" - Guy who clearly knows f all about Magnus and likely doesn't even follow chess

[@JustaDislikeButton]

@@crypticlish6717 I know him like a brother he told me he left because he sad 😔

[@DrLongWang]

Magnus literally rages all the time when he loses. It’s baffling that so many people took this accusation that he didn’t even directly make with any credence.

[@DrSanders111]

Lol id have a huge ego too if i was number one in the classic intellectual game for years.

[@gyrfalcon0077]

@@DrSanders111 Yeah but the thing to remember in life is that there is always someone better. He may be the top for now, but there is always someone better waiting in the wings.

[@parzingtheasian]

@@gyrfalcon0077 super easy for you to say, but when you're on the top for TEN YEARS, it is GONNA start to get to you

[@BrandonHeat243]

The thing is, it wasn't just Magnus that thought he cheated.

[@TikTokery]

@@DrSanders111 nah magnus is just a cry baby, hans owned that kid

[@eldians]

Imagine playing 1 minute bullet with the beads

[@joshhale9355]

You had me at “high tech anal beads”. Also very curious about this story.

[@michael2636]

Anybody else here after watching Franks vs Russia?

[@congoballs9725]

it is one of the best episodes ive seen in a long time I keep watching it

[@MajesticAngel13]

I legit was thinking by the end of the episode that THIS news story must have inspired the episode!

[@markrichardson2512]

If Hans was humble about his victories, I highly doubt there would be any of this drama. He's been turned into a chess villain, or something

[@Nano-zv2qk]

nice pfp

[@UnknowinglyDerpy]

With how he’s been in the tournament previous this one, i don’t blame him. Hans was really out of it after the end and seemed like he was on the verge of a mental breakdown

[@Azuranv2682]

it seems like more effort to cheat at chess than actually playing legitimately

[@Block_91]

If he actually used the beads it would be one of those "im not even mad, thats amazing" situations

[@PancakeMix21]

This is getting ridiculous I do kind of feel sorry for this kid he has all these allegations thrown at him with no proof, no substantial evidence and he can't even defend himself cause if he responds to anything what he says is gonna be overanalyzed and picked apart,...... It couldn't just be that Magnus made a mistake and lost legitimately and is now trying to cover it up by throwing allegations himself, it couldn't be that he was just outplayed on that day, I sincerely hope he did not cheat and will continue to watch closely I hope I don't get made a fool for defending this kid

[@jonathanpilcher337]

I think either someone from magnus' prep team leaked his game plan(hence his reference to some kinda conspiracy he can't talk about) or luck was just on this kid's side in this game, every other theory is absurd and completely unfounded

[@eragon78]

Magnus never accused anyone though. He simply left the tournament and didnt provide a reason why. He never once mentioned Hans or cheating. Thats just what everyone else assumed. Like, I honestly dont know why everyone is giving Magnus so much shit over this. He actively didnt say anything or accuse anyone. Sure, maybe he did think Hans cheated and thats why he left, but he never said anything about it. He actively avoided doing such and kept his opinion to himself if that really is why he left.

[@Kmosely42]

@@eragon78 Losing a game, quitting suddenly right afterwords with no reason, then posting on twitter a video of another cheating scandal and being like "it is what it is". In a court of law, that would definitely be used as evidence to say that you suggested it. Sure, maybe Magnus had some other cryptic message but didn't bother to clarify when everyone got antsy. "Calm down, he beat me and its all good. My heart wasn't in it that day, that's all". Is he such a shut-in that no one is informing him whatsoever of whats going on? Not a single relative, friend, or teammate? He didn't sting anyone sure, but he kicked the hornets nest for certain.

[@PancakeMix21]

@@Kmosely42 I 100% agree he knew exactly how that cryptic message was gonna be interpreted and like you said he dipped immediately after losing, Magnus seems like an arrogant ego-mainiac and the more he posts these cryptic passive aggressive tweets and messages the more and more I dislike him, he could of straight up came out and said what he meant but it almost seems like he delights in how much Hans is struggling to legitimatize his win (Which I Hope he didn't cheat) but Hans has been pretty open and honest about everything he has done, Magnus is coming off like a spoiled brat who's mad he got clapped out by someone younger then him and is now trying to throw shade to explain away how a world number 1 got clapped by a "nobody" according to people, Magnus' ego is bruised and he can't handle it

[@eragon78]

@@Kmosely42 Sounds like speculation to me. Again, Han's name was never mentioned. Cheating was never mentioned. This would literally NEVER hold up in a court of law, I have no idea what youre going on with there. Its just wrong. You guys have no real proof of what Magnus's intentions really were. Sure, we can speculate on it and think that is what he meant, but this is the same thing people are getting pissed about when people speculate Hans cheated. Its all just speculation. Its the exact same thing. The truth is, Magnus never mentioned Hans's name, and never mentioned cheating. he didnt accuse anyone. Now sure, maybe he was trying to stir something up, or maybe he has other reasons we dont know about. Maybe he wants all this drama to be going on, or maybe he just doesnt want to get involved and stay out of it because its online drama and it never goes well engaging with that stuff. The turth is we dont know. Again, its all speculation. I can speculate too. What if he didnt say anything because he suspects someone on his team leaked his prep? that could easily explain why he dropped out of the tournament without giving a reason as its a matter he likely wants to handle privately without exposing to the public. It would also explain why he isnt saying anything now as he doesnt want to make a statement on it before the matter is resolved, as it could tip off whatever investigation he is doing into his team. Of course I have no evidence for that, its merely speculation, but it also fits the situation. But thats the point, you guys are all speculating too and getting mad at everyone else for speculation. But at the end of the day, thats all it is. Speculation. Nothing conclusive was said at all. magnus actively did not accuse anyone of anything. Sure, him dropping out is weird, but he didnt say why. And even if he DID drop out because he thinks hans cheated, he still never disclosed that was the reason why. Thats NOT an accusation. Magnus has a right to drop out of a tournament if he doesnt feel comfortable playing in it. And he also has a right to not provide his reasoning for why he dropped out to the public. Everything past that is speculation by the public.

[@angela_jx]

Funny thing is magnus didn’t even accuse hans of “cheating” on the board. If there was any suspicion from magnus it was most likely about someone from his camp leaking his preparation. It’s so funny to me how you can leave the internet on it’s own for an hour and they’ll think people are cheating in chess with anal beads lmao Edit: Also I really don’t think magnus owes anybody any explanation. He didn’t accuse anybody in any way. He basically just said he’s leaving the tournament because of something he doesn’t wanna talk about yet or at all, definitely insinuating he had a problem with something outside of just losing but again, I think it’s so much more likely that was about somebody leaking his prep if it was any sort of fair play violation not anal bead stockfish lol

[@nCSirloin]

I don't think anybody unironically thinks Hans used anal bead vibrations to cheat, it was clearly just Elon being a hyperbolic meme machine. But the reality is that it's not an impossible scenario in fact it's especially easy to use technology to cheat over the board and as early as the 90s they were catching people cheating in chess with vibrating pagers and shit. (Also it's exponentially easier to cheat this way in a 2 hour classical tourney format, which is why him thinking for abnormally long times on moves that should of been simple and automatic made certain other super GMs extra sus of him) Combine this with his history of actually maliciously cheating in paid online money matches essentially trying to steal money from the honest players and it's actually not that big of a reach for him to do something of that nature over the board. The real question is are the metal detectors and RF scanners they use as fair play detection actually enough to stop a more modern technology based sophisticated cheating attempt? I know in this Video Charlie says cheating over the board in chess isn't common but he's just wrong there the reality is that it's actually insanely common they catch multiple people every year trying to cheat with technology or collusion in open tournaments around the world, and most of these open tournaments don't actively watch enough for cheaters to begin with so the fact that they catch any of them is very telling of just how common it is.

[@SehrDummerAccountNam]

Even if he didn’t mean to accuse Hans of cheating, Magnus still has to have seen the reactions to his tweet. And if Magnus doesn't think Hans is a cheater, but allows half of the chess world to go after Hans without a simple "that's not even what I meant" is a major league dick move.

[@janpham2591]

The issue for me is that Magnus is basically radio silent throughout this whole drama while Hans is facing a possibly career ruining accusation, if Magnus didn't accuse Hans at least he should quickly clarify that he wasn't alleging a foul play (also I don't think he would withdraw from tournaments just because of a leaked preparation)

[@Yor_gamma_ix_bae]

Vibrators are kind of loud

[@dustinmaddox849]

@@SehrDummerAccountNam Unless he just doesn't care what anybody thinks, and you are assuming when you say he has looked at the replies. He doesn't deserve to do any explanation especially if you are talking about just the internet's perception of this situation. I don't understand why people think anybody on the internet deserves to explain themselves especially if its just a bunch of random people on the internet speculating about something he never said. The dick move is the people who are just claiming Hans is cheating without being open-minded that they might be wrong as there is still no physical evidence to prove that in the first place. Just because a bunch of people lack critical thinking doesn't mean Magnus should do anything in this situation.

[@Lunarstar117]

My first thought as soon as he said “You’ll start wonder if the Queen is even dead”, for some reason, was the stupid thing “Does Bruno Mars is gay?”

[@alexanderadams1692]

Good video, Charlie covered everything very well, though I have one thing to add. The wanding and other measures (such as a 15 minute stream delay) were done after the game in question, so its possible Hans snuck something in for the first few games (which he played very well) and then couldn't cheat during the rest of the tournament (which he did not play as well). Furthermore there are other ways to cheat without technology, such as someone else giving signals. Still, we do not know for certain and may never know. Also in a few days another tournament starts with both Magnus and Hans participating, so there may be more drama on the horizon.

[@Frank-Reynolds]

This gives new meaning to "Having a gut feeling."

[@hamburgereater]

Magnus literally refused to elaborate further.

[@VioletsOnMars]

Imagine Hans' friends poking fun at the _conspiracy_ and he's actually being really quiet and sweating nervously.

[@arkvoodleofthesacredcrotch6060]

"They were just there for fun, not to cheat. But I'm not trying to have it just out there like that"

[@ratflip7908]

dont poke too much, that space is occupied

[@doksfrommars]

Magnus has always given off that "spoiled brat, who takes his ball and goes home, when the game isnt going his way" vibe.

[@ricketycricket5902]

speaking of, Always Sunny decided to do an episode based off of this exact scandal.

[@jackhogan9538]

dude your room has totally come together, what you have added and done with it is amazing

[@MichaelSuperbacker]

5:29 Insaneo Style! 👍

[@rayaankader4056]

☔️

[@philipstevenson5166]

not only is the queen being kept alive in a nutrient tank, but she will be controlling charles with beads

[@poppajay4968]

This explains why Hans kept getting that little grin on his face every now and then throughout the match

[@mnspstudioful]

Two things: I watched the entire match in a move replay. 1. Magnus played poorly. Even a 1400 rated player can see the mistakes he made in trades after Neimann castled,, but especially when a GM breaks it down and shows all of the better choices. 2. The same 1400 player would easily recognize the freaking Catalan Opening. This wasn't "a rare line that Magnus never uses", it was a near text book Catalan right before the midgame. I'm dying to see the "evidence" that he cheated. Because at this point I see Magnus having a bad day.

[@DoctorOaks]

The reason people find it weird is because, should state I don't know this for certain because I don't follow chess and am going off what people are saying here, there was only 1 recorded match where Magnus ever did that specific line. Not that it's a rare line. It's just rare for Magnus to do, and they found it strange that Hans said he specifically prepared for that line when practicing during his interview. It definitely could have just been him losing, but as people have noted Hans has had a history of cheating in the past. Even if he didn't cheat here I do think it'd be reasonable for people to question the win. I think one person pointed out the most probable answer though (assuming there WAS cheating): Someone from Magnus' team leaked his line prior to the match, and that allowed Hans to prepare for it.

[@lucidstrife7939]

From what ive seen the chess community seems like it's very snobby and that magnus guy seems like a sore loser. At least from this match he had

[@its99pm]

@@lucidstrife7939 can you list any other of Magnus' losses in which he seemed like a sore loser afterward?

[@lucidstrife7939]

@@its99pm nope, I don't watch chess like that or ever. I'm just talking from this one situation. From what I understand is he played poorly and lost. Had a hissy fit and left the tournament. Also Just because a guy supposedly has never been a sore loser before, dosen't mean he will never be one and this definitely looks like he has imo

[@Kmosely42]

@@its99pm He went undefeated for 50ish rounds so orobably not. But thats more of a reason for a hissy fit than not.

[@darrengratton4937]

What a pain in the ass that must've been... for both players