Why China Can't make Chips!

[@serpentza]

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[@riccardocacchioli9952]

@Bogda Nov yes, but in China case they are not a minority they are the rulers

[@jamalicon1]

SerpentZA, when was the last time you were in China

[@theofficialstig]

@Bogda Nov you mean ultra nationalists/Chinese supremacists Yes there are some and it's because there are gullible people in every county and in China the government propaganda promotes Chinese supremacy

[@StephenGillie]

How does China plan to lead the world by copying others? That's like winning a race by drafting behind other drivers.

[@pakde8002]

@Bogda Novand South America, North America, the middle East, far East and South East Asia and of course Africa. They're basically everywhere.

[@johnburke8337]

Towards the end, I think you glossed over the big big reason why the PRC will struggle to catch up especially in semiconductors (my area of research): the research. It’s not that Chinese nationals are incapable of putting in the hard work and getting to those goals because trust me, I saw so many Chinese friends work like heck doing real impactful research in grad school. In the right setting, just like us Americans they can really shine and innovate. However, the business and research culture makes no room for these kinds of success to be nurtured. Organizations and researchers have to be able to accept reasonable failures and learn from them while crediting those who did the hard work, and the CCP and PRC work culture don’t afford that. Failures are punished so risks are avoided, glitz and shine gets promoted. And when success is made, the top vacuums all the accolades and benefits. Even compared against how Taiwan set up TSMC, the difference is stark. They took risks on EUV that were really a huge gamble. The Taiwan government probably would have let TSMC wither if it couldn’t stand up internationally on its own, so the flexibility to fail and innovate was lifeblood. The CCP is desperate not only for self reliance but also for good propaganda at every step, especially internally, and this leads to sophomore quality research at best in companies that are given crutches until the party feels too much has been wasted

[@eliasross4576]

Fortunately the CCP has a good strategy of poaching senior talent from Taiwan to help run their silicon/chip fabs. Unfortunately, the mainland Chinese government is crazy and you’re under constant threat and pressure while living there.

[@alternativeharvey7]

Great insight . Thank you

[@sara.cbc92]

Well put.

[@rubyy.7374]

@@eliasross4576 It amazes me how people still fall for it time and time again. Recently I heard of Tencent poaching a bunch of prominent video game devs, and it’s like “really”?

[@riccardocacchioli9952]

They don't do research because they can still copyright without getting punished

[@mccallosone4903]

i am a teacher in China, and i agree with a lot of this. my students (ages 11-12) are very smart, and can memorize things very quickly, however, if you pose a real question that theyve never been given the answer to they struggle. there was a simple question on a test. Here is a box(pictured). What can you do with it? this melted the brains of my entire class. i explained the question. i said, you can write ANYTHING, just tell me what you can use a box for. they were confused. i gave an example, "ok, you can put pencils in it". they all wrote, put pencils in it. "no! thats an example, think of your own". they legit could. not. do it. they had never been told an answer, and were so afraid of getting the question wrong and being embarrassed, that they left it blank. it was crazy

[@From_A_Diverging_Timeline]

Crazy. I guess fear of being wrong plays a big part cuz all kids have an imagination.

[@howe4622]

Yes, so China is good at copying, because they never forget it.

[@otherssingpuree1779]

It may have happened because I have seen this happen in other Asian countries. Not the entire class but just the quiet nerds of the class with best marks.

[@paulchiuco1467]

This is our stereotype of the "inferior" races.

[@McVaio]

That's not smart, that's good memory.

[@themaxgruber]

Electronics, chip, reuse is a big problem. These parts are sold on the gray market and find their way into new equipment. Many times they are relabeled. I once had a part fail that I returned to the manufacturer. They stripped the label and found it was labeled as a 1000V part and was really 500V and had been taken from a used assembly. This is such a problem that the military now requires manufacturers to use approved vendors to build their assemblies. Our failure rates decreased significantly once we started buying from these vendors.

[@_Solaris]

That's something I've never thought about.

[@philfrydman2576]

SEG electronic market in Shenzhen is a reuse of chips from old phones and other technologies. Fake chip manufacturers will rebrand old new chips, but the die is different.

[@mikesully110]

I bought a fake Ethernet card from a Western retailer (ebuyer) that they had (unknowingly) gotten from China. It was branded as a well known make of NIC, of course it was the cheapest one listed - but it was actually a totally different NIC made by a different Chinese firm. the supplied Windows driver worked fine but when I tried the manufacturers driver in Linux the card would not work at all. I found out on the forums that it was a well known fake and was infact a totally different chinese NIC. I was able to get it to work using ndiswrapper on the supplied Windows driver, but the couple of dollars saved was outweighed massively by all the hassle getting the thing to work. And the worry of not being able to trust the damn thing. Moral of the story, it's worth paying a little bit more for good Western stuff. And it's not like the Chinese stuff is a third of the price, often it's barely any cheaper. The thing is the NIC was so damn cheap, like $15, how do these Chinese even make any money creating and selling these fake network cards? I could see it being worthwhile if they were selling a garbage 1gbps NIC as top level 10gbps enterprise kit and just hoping that most buyers won't use the 10gbps and so won't notice the fraud. But low end stuff?

[@privacyabsent904]

How recent was the updated requirement?

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

I do have a small microelectronics business, together with my russo-chinese wife and some friends in Germany and chinese suppliers sold us fake microcontrollers which were just empty housings and relabeled ECC RAM, which in reality was just regular DDR3 ram with a new sticker on it. But the biggest scam were the PCM stereo sound processors, we ordered for a project. They did appear to work at first but after a few hours of use the right channel died on all of them. At first, was a bit angry at my significant other, because she otherwise establishes good connections to chinese vendors and doesn't fall for scams, then i noticed, that even trusted suppliers can randomly become unreliable. The one which sent us the defective sound chips was very reliable for the past 10 years and now most of the things they sell are scam products. Once we had a business costumer which wanted his 386 PC repaired (it was used for a industrial scale) and the only ones which have "new" parts for this old technology are suppliers from China. They just put 30 year old chips in a new housing, but at least those weren't fake. When ordering from china, always be careful with each single order, even if you are a long term costumer.

[@michiellombaers3198]

I experienced that myself: In the nineties I was working for a small Dutch company that designed and build professional audio recording & editting products. The first model was a 16bit machine that was constructed around an own design DSP chip. We sold two examples to Hong Kong and after an initial period with loads of questions around the user interface and handling of the system everything went quiet. Fast forwards to 2000 and I was visiting Beijing for a trade show with our new 24bit system. During that show I heard a story that somewhere in Shenzhen there were 50 of our old systems stocked in a warehouse. After a short moment I made the connection and asked if those sytems might be missing 8 examples of a specific chip. The person who was telling that story was surprised; how could I know that? Well ... that was our own design DSP that was forged for us ... and *only* for us.

[@karlmonet]

Love it.

[@JezaJames]

Karma bitches!

[@michiellombaers3198]

@@djchristian82 We sold them two working machines and outside of our custom DSP chips all other components were standard available. So they missed 8 chips per copied machine.

[@smokescreen2146]

The truth is, Europe can't keep up with the Asians in terms of designing and making TV screens.

[@BEDINSSGUKRAINE]

Oh wow!

[@merinsan]

The problem is simple. You can't reverse engineer a manufacturing process. You can only work out what the components are, and then from there you need to work out how to make those components. With high end chips, the processes often require a knowledge of obscure physics, and a practical application of that, which has taken decades to refine.

[@chongtak]

Exactly and machines to produce what they may someday reverse engineer are equally as hard to reverse engineer and produce. It's the whole chain that they need to understand and to produce, not only the final product.

[@niyu8402]

They do have lots of knowledgeable ppl who can do the work, but the problem is that the leaders want to see the outcome right away.

[@VariantAEC]

Not true, China has IC foundries. Ever heard of SMIC? Neither have I until today (when I looked this s••• up)! But they make logic chips (CPUs). Hua Hong also makes microprocessors, maybe these processors are crud and built using older larger fabrication nodes, but they have many foundries no doubt because the rest of the world including us in the U.S. feed the demand instead of making things like this domestically. Of course Intel does make chips domestically but also in other nations. I used Wikipedia as they already have hopefully a decent aggregate dataset for this, searching directly was ironically a bit more difficult especially since I don't know what China is doing. I was able to find articles from what I would think are trustworthy tech-related media sources claiming that SMIC has made processors using 14, 10 and 8nm nodes. This doesn't speak to the quality of the chipsets, but they are already making them. Honestly I thought MediaTek chips were Chinese. I try to avoid anything made in China if I can. This is kind of impossible when it comes to buying electronics as some of the devices are assembled there and some components therein are manufactured there. We don't have a choice in where the companies we buy from choose to assemble their products.

[@niyu8402]

@@VariantAEC SMIC was sued by TSMC, accusing SMIC of misappropriating TSMC intellectual property. payment to TSMC of an aggregate of US$200 million; and a grant to TSMC 8% of SMIC's issued share capital and a warrant which would allow TSMC to obtain total ownership 10% of SMIC's issued share capital.

[@kungfutzu3779]

@@chongtak since everyone gets their manufacturing done in china, i thknk they already have the machines

[@omrilapidot6770]

I'm not expert on China but I've been with the (Israeli) tech industry for decades. The way to innovate is to *challenge the status quo*. To be fearless. To be able to point the mistakes of your superiors and propose new ways of moving forward without fearing retribution. From the little I know of China, this is far from their cultural norm.

[@Treasure-bl3cn]

and to steal others Land and home

[@omrilapidot6770]

@@Treasure-bl3cn 😜😜😜

[@loop4569]

@@Treasure-bl3cn Palestine to the centre, XAR to the East

[@saltalmighty1141]

Well , being an IT-Technician myself , Chip technology is an ongoing race .. who can produce the fastest and effecient ones , even if they start perfecting their chips based on the current day Intel/ARM/AMD chips .. they won't get it right until atleast 10 years later , and at that point .. their own home based chips will be ancient tech

[@BlazinNSoul]

What is your position on ASML? A company which nearly sold the 5.nm or so machines which China so desperately needs now? HTMC is only half the equation here. Ongoing race for sure but one we are currently loosing. What we lack in manpower we must make up in Engineering and R&D. We can't afford to be complacent anymore given our lack of human resources so to speak. What is your observations as an IT professional? :)

[@saltalmighty1141]

@@BlazinNSoul to be honest ? i wish it was all open-source , so that every company could make machines like that , may the best chips win .. and give the English saying " cheap as chips " a new meaning

[@Zuron]

For the cutting edge computers this is true, but 10+ year old architecture is totally fine for most of the stuff we use. Even cold war era stuff can make for an accurate missile or satellite.

[@flycrack7686]

@@saltalmighty1141 as a " IT-Technician" whatever that means for you, you really REALLY should know what ASML is and WHY that question really questions everything you said.

[@txorimorea3869]

True, but I am not sure if the race can keep going on when the goal post is so close. I mean the classical physical limits are unmovable and there wasn't any truly significant advance in quantum engineering, at most we got small steps. Noise is still a huge problem preventing to create quantum computers that are effectively more powerful than classical computers, and cheaper or at least more energy efficient. Maybe the race will focus on hardware to train and run artificial neural networks. That technology is noise-resistant, so sacrifice can made to increase computational power and/or reduce power consumption, at the cost of some noisy failure from time to time.

[@rbspider]

I worked with a Chinese woman at an American newspaper . Her assignment was to create an interactive webpage that allowed the user to click on a date and see what President Trump had tweeted on that day . She was a really nice person . When I told her that Trump would love it she got all nervous that the president would have her deported because I guess in her mind the president hadn't given her permission to make the page. I hope she wasn't a spy.

[@bishopoftroy]

that goes to show you, education trumps intelligence, pun not intended.

[@sidd_not_vicious2609]

there are so many spies from china here

[@natewoi4119]

You are ate up

[@--LZ---]

@@natewoi4119 ni hao

[@zeus-io3hn]

She is a spy for ccp.

[@ryanrex297]

When you start to think about the machines that make the machines that make the machines to make high end chips, you can see the uphill battle to innovate quickly.

[@Dionyzos]

Yup, people often stop halfway and think TSCM, Intel and Samsung make the chips that are designed by Apple, Nvidia, AMD etc. But they all rely on ASML which has a monopoly on DUV and EUV machines which is in turn reliant on Zeiss for the crazy high tech mirrors.

[@amuxpatch2798]

@@Dionyzos All those high tech companies above are using applied science technology (formula given). The research (electronics) was done by Bell America telephone and also produced software C used in these devices today.

[@sentry8992]

Very true. Even the machine that makes the near perfect sphere that is in the ball point pen is a serious feat of engineering. Turning solid wire into a perfect tiny little sphere is a serious piece of machinery.

[@msimon6808]

@@amuxpatch2798 C is a real productivity killer. Forth can be developed much faster. And can be the assembly language of a properly designed chip. The RTX-2000 for example.

[@TR4R]

And at some point it becomes human... 😝🖐 the machine that makes the machine that makes the machine that ultimately needs the human hand 😛

[@firewarrior776]

Man, I've been following your content for years now. Still excellent. Stay awesome.

[@benicio_k]

I see serpentza, I give it a like - that's the natural order of things - love your work, btw! :)

[@oneark4129]

As a Chinese, I like to watch your video most, because you are one of the few honest bloggers I have seen on the Internet. You have really spoken out about China's problems, and the praise of other bloggers for China is too exaggerated. As a local, I know that China is not as good as they praise, and I really hope that China can really solve these problems instead of delaying to change

[@VenomRoadRacing]

I'm suprised you can even see the video. Be careful you don't go for some education.

[@Tech-cr5lw]

@@VenomRoadRacing because he is a fake chinese.

[@boiscooka232]

​@@VenomRoadRacinglil bro, trust KZbin comment 😂😂

[@VenomRoadRacing]

@@boiscooka232 More than any government lol

[@healthyhabits3374]

How a local Chinese can reach KZbin?

[@weetbix4497]

What you described with the corruption in China regarding the chip companies sounds 100% the same as the situation we had here in South Africa with bakeries and catering companies posing as PPE producing companies and just looting all the funds.

[@williamdobbins3131]

I spent 5 years working at Papermate, making ball points. Pen points are not so much an engineered tech, but very much an art. We were the corporate head of point production. And there were still issues that took us a lot of talent, experience, and work to get through.

[@KlodFather]

I worked for a company that made broadcast transmitters. For years the Chinese tried to copy our units. They got the parts count and assembly right but making a transmitter work is tough because it is 50% science and 50% witchcraft LOL Anyone who knows RF tech can tell you that this statement is accurate. Yes they can make phones and other things now, but the stability of their transmitters and receivers is dependent on those imported semiconductors and only skilled hands know how to tune big transmitters so they are perfect. That is why the cutting edge solid state units are made in North America, Europe, or Japan. Others make units but not nearly as good.

[@BlackJesus8463]

@@KlodFather Your meter told you to say that.

[@sanzieu]

@@bbj7383 I agree with you. I retired from the power generation industry and as a controls guy, I used to "wave my magic wand" whenever I repaired an instrument or control device. Lots of experience and luck went into that work.

[@KlodFather]

@@sanzieu - Mine was a green pen which was very hard to find and buy... But I bought them by the box from the supply house. They always knew when I put and entry one something because it was in green. I would have loved to see you do that... and I would have been back there bowing to make it even more a religious experiens LOL. All Hail the Great Santiago Zieu... The Slayer of Sprites in the Grid. 😜👍

[@leisti]

You make a cogent point.

[@moinyp]

You nailed it! Most people around me cannot understand how economies work, let alone the much hyped Chinese economy. I’m an electronics engineer by education, and sometimes I get the feeling that you must have an engineering background to be able to somewhat understand the Chinese economy.

[@jukio02]

China is a social Democracy, their economy is social market economy. Basically, a mixed economy. It's not that hard to understand. You guys are stupid.

[@AlisoJim]

The ecosystem of high-end semiconductors is pretty much set at this point, and will only get more solid at this point, since it is in the US national interest. The Dutch and US supply a majority of the tooling needed build out the research and manufacturing capabilities. First China has to duplicate the work of companies like LAM Research, Qualcomm, Broadcomm, Intel, NXP, etc. Without that, you cannot even begin to build the infrastructure that would allow you to start making progress. If your basic machining capabilities have only recently advanced enough to make a 1mm ball bearing (or whatever size it is), you will never advance to sub-10Nm etching on your own.

[@adam9a9]

it's not so much about nm, but it's more about design.

[@jukio02]

You guys are stupid. If China can build their own space station, they can build their own chips.

[@Foquro]

Well, they made a sub-10Nm chip

[@Sl1pstreams]

@@FoquroWith western equipment.

[@Foquro]

@@Sl1pstreams That's the point. The sanctions don't work.

[@homedeezyfasheezy5662]

A personal friend of mine works for Applied Materials in Austin TX. Currently they are working 60+ hours a week manufacturing a device that is used in the process of making micro chips. They are expected to almost double production over the next year. Applied Materials tried to move their operations to various SE Asian countries about 10 years ago but were unable to do so mainly because of the poor quality of work.

[@amuxpatch2798]

Asians by default are copycats of western products and Russian military hardware. Monkey see , Monkey do .

[@stefanbanev]

@@Xibao88890 Well, no need to сast pearls before swine...

[@NP1066]

What does that have anything to do with China? SE Asia is a different region. Are like just trying to shit on Asians in general lol

[@willong1000]

That's encouraging. What would be even more encouraging is for Western firms to quit off-shoring all together, or at least do so for high-technology products.

[@Dragonologist]

This Applied Materials manufacturer sounds like a good investment opportunity.

[@audreyandlinCompany]

It's worse than that -- at this point, any company who has their equipment or machines manufacturered in China, deserves to go bankrupt. Now I see why the bearings on the pumps we bought kept failing -- the metal spheres were probably salvaged and did not have the tolerance for heavy use. The US distributor gave us 5 pumps, as each failed one after another, before they finally "threw in the towel" and refunded our money.

[@mwngw]

The IT industry committed Economic Treason en masse in shutting down U.S. operations and manufacturing and sending them to China. It was far worse than short-sighted, or awful management decisions, it was outright greedlust by CEO's and Boards of Directors.

[@HoboKa_AlexShtokalko]

Pump and dumped X_X

[@Waverlyduli]

@@HoboKa_AlexShtokalko Schadenfreude?

[@flightographist]

Same issue, after the third time I asked the rep: are you sure you want to keep using that manufacturer to supply my parts? - it's costing you a fortune!

[@ahmataevo]

@@hentype - They also use clips from hollywood movies claiming to have destroyed other militaries in various skirmishes. Like claiming to shoot down India's fighter jets, but it's a film clip from Top Gun.

[@gregmcfarland5189]

Helped my understanding of why China is so adamant about Taiwan being their property

[@kurt477]

I've heard that the owners of the Chip factories said they would destroy everything in the face of China invading.

[@randar1969]

As soon as China would invade Taiwan and manages to hold on to it. ASML would no longer supply or support maintanance on their UEV machines at the TMSC factories. It's extremely hard to copy even if you posses the machine. It would also be next to impossible to repair them. The technogies involved to create them are simply not in the hands of Taiwan. Backwards engineering understanding and building would take to long to make it an worthwhile investment. Hence it wouldn't surprise me at all if those machines are targeted for destruction at the signs of an serious invasion they can always buy more if they manage to repel the invasion.

[@tiromandal6399]

@@randar1969 Yep! Even consuming Taiwan wouldn't be of much help to China.

[@janhemmer8181]

@@randar1969 neither are they in the hands of the USA. ASML machines are are the result of a remarkable, open scientific culture of the former Philips Natlab in the Netherlands. Unfortunately the Natlab no longer exists and Philips decided to stop the chip division. Almost The Netherlands lost the chipmachine industry also, however a few visionairs founded ASML and believe me nobody comes close to copying their machines. Not TSMC nor any company in the USA.

[@randar1969]

@@janhemmer8181 Dat zal ik niet weten, nouja ach we hebben Velthoven nog! Is my answer in native Dutch ;-)

[@johnl691]

Hey, Winston, what do you think of the 7nm chip from SMIC that's almost as fast as the latest chips from Qualcomm? 🤭

[@musafawundu6718]

He was busy suggesting that it was fake... He then went on radio silence...

[@GMC.Sprint]

Several years back, some of the Chinese railway specs mandated that couplers and drawbars must be manufactured in the US or EU. These are components where a failure can be deadly. Other (less safety critical) components in the spec mandated they be made in China.

[@jbeck66]

at least whoever was writing those specs seems to have been making intelligent decisions, instead of throwing safety out the window.

[@danharold3087]

Yes. Funny. There is a propaganda channel. Hot Topic Time. They made an episode to dispute this.

[@echomande4395]

I would imagine that quality control (or lack thereof in the PRC) would be a large part of such a mandate. Undoubtedly tovu-dreg and its mentality, counterfeit and substamdard materials do not limit themselves to building and infrastructure construction.

[@shadowbanned5164]

New Zealand updated their loco fleet from China after 3 years of service one of the DL locos from China had an alternator failure...These are sealed units that are supposed to last 20 years of around the clock use...Kiwi fitters took the alternator apart and found inside a German bearing that had melted to slag...Samples of the bearing were sent to the German bearing makers who found it wasnt one of their bearings even though it had their stamp on it...It was a Chinese copy being passed off as a German bearing...The Locos also arrived in New Zealand with asbestos for sound proofing even though that was specifically banned from the build once again the Chinese had taken short cuts.

[@philfrydman2576]

And they had 2 colliding high speed trains (Wenzhou train collisionin 2011). We still don't know the root cause, European tech badly redesigned to improve performances or railway track safety technology.

[@xdxdsheep]

Not to invalidate your point, i totally agree with you. However, you do kind of underestimate the difficulty of making the ball for ball pens. The machinery and precision that go into making a perfect steel ball are insanely difficult to produce.

[@lordoftheflings]

no he isn't. he is just saying, imagine, if they still have trouble making ball point pens, imagine how far behind they are in making things that are at the nanometer scale. some of our most advanced quantum chips have components that are just a few atoms in size

[@WanderingWeirdly]

I used to bring my own ballpoint pens to China when I lived there. I wrote a lot, and the locally produced ones drove me mad with the inconsistent inkflow.

[@Mirpurmad]

lol China is not that bad. maybe you had a bad experience.

[@johnkoh5207]

Another China hater spotted

[@xx_jason_blaze_it_xxy1837]

@@Mirpurmad you do know he's talking about pens, right?

[@johnhoward5954]

The Chinese have never done ant R and D. All they do is reverse engineering and making dupes. Should be ashamed of themselves.

[@johnhoward5954]

@@Mirpurmad China sucks to say the least.

[@djdeepkanga1245]

Didnt they just make a domestic 7nm that got shipped with Huawei?

[@WarSourve]

5nm

[@Sl1pstreams]

Nope. They made a Dutch 7nm that got shipped with Huawei.

[@Quondom]

The central problem is that China still conceives itself as an empire, the Middle Kingdom, the center of the world. But the world has changed. It is too late for empire-building. Things are too interdependent now. A single I-phone contains parts from 43 countries, some friendly to China, some not so much. After the recent confrontation over Pelosi, China laid an embargo on imports from Taiwan, but it COULDN’T embargo advanced microchips. Taiwan is its main source. A war with Taiwan would shut down the Chinese economy within weeks. And China is not the only country that depends on Taiwanese components. By attacking Taiwan, China would create a huge coalition against itself, something Russia has already experienced in Ukraine.

[@flinch622]

Empire has changed: its energy and information now. Armies and navys arrive third.

[@Quondom]

@@plowe6751 I don't know. They did take down "Empire" from streaming. Kind of hard to censor "empire" from Chinese history. "Imperialism", however, is something only other nations do.

[@c0ya1]

@@Quondom the age of empires is behind us. The rest of the world knows, but China doesn't.

[@FreedomAirguns]

Wrong. If China takes over Taiwan, THE ENTIRE PLANET COLLAPSES...Wake up. Even the US relies on chips made in Taiwan ! The smartphone producers too! GPU producers too!!! It's a domino...And the amount of IP stored in Taiwan is HUGE...If they get there, it's game over...

[@silverhawkscape2677]

@@Quondom Tell that to Tibet.

[@doingtime20]

This is exactly why the Taiwan issue is worrisome, China isn't just looking for a land grab, they want the technology from TSMC (the world's biggest and most cutting edge semiconductor company).

[@jamram9924]

China will be taking Taiwan with their massive naval fleet and hundreds of cheap rockets they’ll overwhelm any military due to their sheer numbers

[@siramike2654]

you are wrong. it has to do with US military present. don't forget Taiwanese are 100% Chinese.

[@jamram9924]

@@siramike2654 Have you ever heard of the China One policy? America acknowledged that Taiwan is part of China. It was previously called Formosa. Just like Hong Kong was reintegrated, the same will happen with Taiwan. Peacefully or militarily, it will happen.

[@markbutler8940]

@@jamram9924 Have you ever heard of the Six Assurances? The US never acknowledged PRC sovereignty over Taiwan and will never acquiesce to any kind of invasion of the place. We sell the Taiwanese weapons to defend themselves for a reason. It is either peaceful reunification or no reunification at all.

[@jamram9924]

@@markbutler8940 Yes. They’ve been in place since the Reagan Adminstration. Also supported throughout several administrations. We’re dealing with a much more aggressive China and a much different times. It would absolutely insane for us to believe we can travel thousands of miles over the Pacific to fight China over a tiny island called Taiwan. China, whether through peaceful means or force will take Taiwan. The West’s reliance on the cheap labor China produced created a financially and militarily strong China. Now, our politicians are surprised China wants Taiwan back? The US has overplayed its hand and countries like China and Russia aren’t going to sit idly by and watch the US influence countries in their hemisphere. We’re seeing that with Ukraine. The US/UK/Russia had an agreement regarding Ukraines loss of nuclear weapons in exchange for protection and Russia would not invade. Now we see these present set of circumstances Ukraine is living under with Russia occupation of approximately 20% of Ukraine.

[@monirbabu8605]

Expecting a follow up video after huawei 7nm chip.

[@Xarx42]

Why ffs? Where do you think the machines came from to produce those chips?^^

[@painz1514]

@@Xarx42china made it by itself so stfu

[@ulrichleukam1068]

@@Xarx42 They invented themselves! They managed to build a space station, developed their own rocket etc why should they not eventually manufacture their own advanced chips?

[@anakinskywalker4949]

​​@@ulrichleukam1068 the answer is Racism! These guys think Chinese people are fundamentally inferior to them! They think there is some creativity ceiling that Chinese people can't break through!

[@anonymousanonymous-ok3nn]

I did my bachelors in a Chinese University before I came to the States. I was working in the lab doing electronic design. One day I walked into the lab next door, and I saw about 4 students. They were all probing circuit boards (some kind of commercial PLC controller) by using multimeters in continuity mode ("beep beep beep" all over the room), then they recorded the connections of PCB traces. I was told that their professor asked them to backward engineer the board, so that the professor could make a knock-off. Those students (mostly from countryside) were paid like 100 CNY/month for doing that for him, and in the name of "learning electronic design". In fairness I don't think of bad of those students since they just did what their professor told them to do. But man this kind of thing happens in university encouraged by a professor...

[@timcees]

The professor of my senior year mechanical engineering design class had our group design a boat lift that I suspect was for his buddy's marina. Probably common to exploit students?

[@sandman0123]

It all depends on the context. Technical universities often do reverse engineering as an exercise. For example, I remember an assignment when we had to analyze and explain a 709 op amp, from looking at a photo of the chip which was handed to us. While at uni, I've also done a much more complex exercise, the partial reverse engineering of a graphics chip, with layers etched off, photographing and analyzing, recreating an equivalent circuit schematic, simulating parts of the circuit/layout etc. However, at the end, this was an educational exercise and the purpose wasn't to copy and "steal" the chip. It was also a lot more fun than buzzing out the connections on a circuit board! 😁

[@Shreaadedaa]

our professor dont even go that far, they had studied a book of like 1980s era or 1990s, and they been teaching the same book for years, they have greyscale copies of those book as those book have so many editions now, they dont get printed anymore, they even ask student to redo the same projects of his own times like the ones students of 1990s might have submitted, and the same is repeated, it goes for students in engineering, medical colleges, research institutes you name it, be it a bachelor program or master or even PhD or whatever, I live in Pakistan

[@lorabex791]

How else do you learn tho? Literally you have to hack and reverse engineer in the MIT.

[@slammerlo510]

If you just think of learning and stop, think of copy and steal, you can learn.

[@Sander-zj3wi]

The exact same happened in the DDR (German Democratic Republic) in the 80's. You could make good money on a certain chip so the DDR government pushed the electronics division to produce this chip. They did it, but by the time they could produce the chip, it could be bought in the open market for pennies.

[@resolvanlemmy]

is that West Germany or East Germany?

[@AlbaniaBoi-ud4xi]

@@resolvanlemmy East

[@resolvanlemmy]

@@AlbaniaBoi-ud4xi ok, thanks.

[@ursodermatt8809]

@@resolvanlemmy that was a really really stupid question, i mean i cannot find the proper word how stupid.

[@resolvanlemmy]

@@ursodermatt8809 my questions can be as stupid as they want, I don't care, I just wanna know things.

[@costa2k1]

One of the weekly uploads I look forward the most

[@vibranthappyhealthy6837]

That has aged really well.

[@iqbalbhq6884]

Bro this channel only do 1 thing Anti china propaganda 😂

[@percyjackson5017]

Why, what happened?

[@dvrrwd307]

It always brightens my day when I hear how an Authoritarian Dictatorship is failing. Keep bring the good news.

[@steverobertson6393]

There's noting in there about the sham of American Democracy. Confused as to Authorita- ah. China. You meant China. I was thinking, ya know. U S

[@dvrrwd307]

@@ms-jl6dl No I don't and you know I don't. The CCP is who I'm talking about. Go troll someplace else.

[@ranaashhad8040]

@@dvrrwd307 China is anything but failing imo. Copium is a medicine that americans inhale which prevents them from exploding thinking about China's rise.

[@cube6687]

you mean USA? they literally bomb countries and their reason is wrong intelligence 😆

[@adgjmptpwpjm123]

@@ms-jl6dl cry some more tankie

[@pmshah1946]

Way back in 1976 I saw a swiss multi station machine in Chicago machinery exhibition doing just this. Machining and manufacturing the ball point pen tip and assembling it with the ball. It was way beyond my financial capacity but I was absolutely awestruck by the precision and speed at which it operated.

[@smo-king6504]

was that before or after chinese economical spies would take photos of everything

[@edmondgreen7970]

I love watching high speed manufacturing. The idea of the amount of time and energy put into a machine that can quickly put together something that most of us don't even give a second thought it insane. I don't see China catching up in this regard anytime soon.

[@xminusone1]

Swiss.

[@GrantsPassTVRepair]

I've often thought it's odd how Chinese officials put such importance on looking good in the eyes of the world and their own citizens, as if it's a sin to admit they have any shortcomings.

[@Christobanistan]

See Chernobyl.

[@studiohq]

It's cultural, it's about "face"

[@Christobanistan]

@@studiohq It's not culture, it's what dictators and people with unlimited power have to do to stay in power. They must appear strong and infallable no matter what.

[@NafanyaZX]

Imperfection spawns alternatives via revolution. In a seemingly perfect system without alternatives, everyone is eager to shift the blame. So that the glorious core can remain perfect and safe from responsibility.

[@batboy555]

How we got the Wuhan flu.

[@hav1byte]

how do you feel about Huawei?

[@kiaroscyuro]

They can steal all the IP in the world and poach the best engineers, but they will never make chips from the advanced nodes because too many peope are cha bu duo. They dont understand that you need to be perfect, from the refining of materials, to the manufacturing of machine parts, and the construction of the facilities. They need to develop extensive procedures and maintenance schedules and make sure everyone involved follows them to the letter. I haven't even mentioned the design of the chips themselves! The most advanced semiconductor manufacturing machines are banned from being sold to China. Even the CNC's used to make the parts for those machines are banned. They got a hold of a machine and completely took it apart in a warehouse and invited us over to look at it. They said work with us or we will reverse engineer this and make our own. We all laughed because we knew how hard it was to make this thing, we knew even if they put it back together exactly as they took it apart it would never work again

[@JCmeister9]

They don't understand all the nuances that comes with such precise manufacturing and engineering. This is because they never had to do the R&D that is necessary to find out what it takes to make all these advanced hi-tech products. They think they can just steal and reverse engineer the products once they get a hold of them.

[@orlock20]

Also there is no incentive to build a plant because some bully would just take it away.

IP is no property but State-granted monopoly. And if it isn’t property, it can’t be “stolen.”

[@JCmeister9]

@ You can redefine its meaning all you want, but that doesn't mean it can't be stolen. That's why there are laws specifically made to protect it.

[@guitarista666]

@ Based on the quality of your logic, I can see why you have no regard for the worth of IP. You'll never have an idea that anyone would bother to steal.

[@onlinechaosgremlin]

That is why they want TSMC. Evil cannot create, only corrupt.

[@yuchan063]

My dad is a DRAM manufacture engineer working for Samsung. Five years ago, He received an email from a Chinese company asking him to come to China for 10 times his annual salary. At first, my whole family was preparing to go to China, but we canceled it after realizing that it was part of a Chinese technology-stealing project. And recently I heard that many Chinese industrial spies have been arrested in South Korea. Thanks to your video, I can see what has happened recently. Thank you.

[@siramike2654]

so what is the different between Korean and China. remember China used be the Centre for those East Asians countries in the past.

[@kooisengchng5283]

US is the biggest thief. The CIA's modus operandi is "lie, cheat, steal and kill". 40 years ago US created the Echelon, a spying system using satellite dishes with nodes all over the world. It collected INDUSTRIAL data, military data as well as personal data. In other words, it was a comprehensive spying system stealing just about everything from the world. I can go back further but you get the drift.

[@intelli_mw]

@@siramike2654 The difference is he and his family are Korean Nationals. So working at Samsung is a national pride. I'm glad you brought up China used to be the center of east asian countries in the past, in fact one could argue Ancient China was once the most technological country of the world. But that era you speak of never existed during the Communist party of China. The PRC era hasn't contributed anything to the humankind other than cheap labor, and mass genocide of its own people.

[@jotunman627]

@@siramike2654 The China of the past is Taiwan 23m and the overseas Chinese in Indonesia 7m, Thailand 9m, Malaysia 7m, Philippines 1m, Singapore 2m, and the USA 5m. Mainland China is communist, - The CCP had shed China’s past. During the Cultural Revolution in the 1960s and 1970s it sought to overturn the “four olds”: old customs, old culture, old habits and old ideas. Temples, mansions and tombstones were ravaged, along with any artifacts or people associated with the bourgeois way of life.

[@jpk8339]

@@siramike2654 Earth is a globe. there is no "center" on its surface. The countries' relationship is a mutual thing. There is no hierarchy in that. And no country should be bound to the past either.

[@scottshepard345]

The business model in China is to build up a promising company and then take out loans and make it look like it has a great future. At that point the owner absconds with all the funds and assumes a new identity and starts a new business. Progress in high tech requires a secure, long term foundation, which is just not going to happen in China.

[@jadenephrite]

Regarding modern ballpoint pen technology, the anti-gravity ballpoint pen was invented by American Paul C. Fisher in 1965 which could write in outer space, upside down or any angle in temperatures ranging from -50 to 160 degrees Fahrenheit. The famous Space Pen could write on surfaces as soft as butter to as hard as steel.

[@spitgiezer]

All the millions that went into developing the space pen, while the russian just used pencils

[@jadenephrite]

Ultimately Russian cosmonauts switched from using grease pencils to the Fisher Space Pen.

[@spitgiezer]

@@jadenephrite …. Yes, and the russians ended up buying those pens for hundreds of dollars in bulk, rather than waste millions in reinventing the wheel. I know the fisher pen has all of the marvel in the world, i used to own one in college, but i highly doubt using a pencil instead of those space pens was going to be the difference between a successful mission and one that ended in catastrophe

[@Manteo1984]

@@spitgiezer you don’t want your computer components bathed in graphene …

[@Humbulla93]

@@Manteo1984 it´s not graphene but graphite, though it´s also electrically conductive so the result remains the same

[@MoBahar687]

Welcome to another bideo! - Miss that intro! Hope the mrs and your kid is doing well!

[@RP-ks6ly]

As a former Oil and Gas downhole technology Manager and QA, our Chinese counterparts (Beijing) were ALWAYS asking us to send them our tools. We created a system whereby they could remotely communicate (for software development) with tools that never left our facility so there was never a chance that they could steal and reverse engineer the technology.....

[@赵典美]

A serpent is speaking.

[@hollowman9410]

@Geographer Sudoku Source?

[@deanronson6331]

@@赵典美 You're probably referring to yourself as a member of the She Gin Ping Pong troll army.

[@shardator]

@@赵典美 why, you want to steal stuff?

[@strawberry3500]

@Right for Opinion what an ironic name.

[@nufosmatic]

I travel between Northern Virginia (home) and Boston (HQ) frequently with frequent delays at Logan. I get to chat up people who are also delayed. A few years ago I would frequently meet engineers and executives headed to Chyna to fix problems. One person was telling me about a toy manufacture that was having problems with bubbles in the injection molding process. I said “the die temp is too high for the material”. The person responded that they understood and clearly I understood, but their Chinese vendor could not keep a person on the process who had authority to keep it working properly.

[@GhettoWagon]

More PC parts are being made or "finished" outside of china these days which I think is a good move. Alot of the products I owned in the past made in China are now made in Vietnam, Mexico Taiwan, Malaysia etc.

[@michaelg4158]

Not really, I flipped my Acer laptop which I bought in 2022 and look at the bottom label it says Made in China. The reality is they're still made in China, not Vietnam or Mexico. Not just laptop, my ASUS RTX 2080 graphics card, my Logitech mouse, my Logitech keyboard, my Cisco wireless router, my TP-Link wireless router, are all made in China.

[@GhettoWagon]

@@michaelg4158 I SAID MORE i said not all. Acer is cheap. All laptops are chinese made. RTX 2080 is old. 3000-4000 series alot are made outside of china. Your point is just not there.

[@michaelg4158]

@@GhettoWagon obviously it's not all. I mean all computers are still made in China for example branded laptop like Acer, Lenovo, HP and Dell and custom brand Cooler Master PC case, Asus motherboard, Gigabyte motherboard, MSI motherboard are still all made in China. Even my friend's Gigabyte RTX 3080 is also made in China.

[@Zenniverse]

I spent 3 years in the semiconductor industry, and the factory they tried opening in China to do our job just could not compare despite having newer equipment and more support.

[@Conan-ny1um]

They used lithograph tech from 80’a Here is what was wrote -Duplicating the TSMC N7 process must have been hard, expensive and high priority. But it leads nowhere. What we see when we pop that chip open is not a scarfy future, but a tiny white elephant bathed in deep ultraviolet. China is learning to build the world's finest propeller engine, just as its competitors enter the jet age. Admire the effort, but don't cash in your chips just yet.

[@Michael-Archonaeus]

@@Conan-ny1um "China is learning to build the world's finest propeller engine, just as its competitors enter the jet age." I couldn't have said it any better myself!

[@minsoonang7425]

If what u say is true why US need to stop worldwide countries from using China 5G. They already sanction advance chips yo be sold to China. Without advance chips all 5 G equipments cannot be assembled or manufacture anymore. Unable to manufacturing all the 5 G equipments how China able to selling 5G systems to those who support China 5G? If advance chips is manufactured in USA why USA till now still struggling to build a proper 5 system to compete with China. Your facts just hold no water

[@Conan-ny1um]

@@minsoonang7425 It’s well published my friend ! There’s over 20 articles on it.

[@rain4279]

Alot of false information from someone saying he knows tech (the video maker), even though china is still behiend the likes of TSMC and Samsung? it's just dishonest to say that they arn't advancing, they are about a decade behind, which we all know that isn't a huge difference knowing that chip manifacturing is heldback, the performonce gained each generation is becoming lower and lower and the difficulty of manifacturing is harder and harder, and the coast is soaring for these chips, and we all know that making something from scratch is way harder than making something that was made before, so it's just a matter of time for china to catchup.

[@alicehu4810]

You are totally right about the tech industry. Taiwan’s TSMC is the only company produce 90% of the world advanced chips

[@HermanWillems]

And fully relies on Europe and other western parts of the world. Before 1 chip is made. Thousands and thousands of high end western companies have worked together to make it a reality. It's a combination of companies together with the excellent expertise of TSMC. For me Taiwan is a country.

[@诡雅异俗]

fake news

[@alicehu4810]

@@诡雅异俗 you are not doing your home work before replying., say no more!

[@诡雅异俗]

中国不造圆珠笔滚珠只是因为市场太小，没有必要

[@Herobox-ju4zd]

I'll see your Taiwanese TSMC and raise you a Dutch ASML.

[@peter4Flags]

Your definitely on the ball there S .Thank you, interesting .🙏

[@Uradamus]

I wonder if them coming up with their own ball point pen tip is why ball point pens have generally been trash the past couple of years. Stuff like the classic cheap Bic pens have all been garbage the past few years, often times with multiple dead pens in a new pack and the few working ones dying shortly after starting to use them.

[@robertagren9360]

The company makes the order and factory creates it.

[@actionjksn]

Right I've noticed that too.

[@tomlopez7819]

It's been that way for so long now, I've come to the conclusion that my body has some strange kind of electromagnetic thing going on that breaks ball point pens whenever I touch them.

[@Compertz]

Maybe China needs another 5 years development time to actually get it right

[@VariantAEC]

@@tomlopez7819 I do that to LEDs and nuclear weapons.

[@Kulumuli]

A former collegue of mine told me of one chinese manufacturer the company were considering. Their web page looked very professional with pictures of what looked like a high tech manufacturing plant. So he went there to survey them. It turned out that their 'factory' didn't even have four walls. And of course looked nothing like the pictures on their website.

[@TMsonjakopp7006]

Ya bro I mean all them buildings in China are like made from cardboards. I bought one of them $5 Phone off wish the other day and I only got a cardboard printout. So it must be true.

[@luttelkikker]

I'm glad you continue to educate your audiences this way.

[@swordofdurga]

By 1992, Indians had developed their first indigenous pen tips. This was indeed a victory in it's own way because after this India became one of the manufacturing bases for pens and an export powerhouse. (From an article in a site called druxport). Maybe, just maybe India may get to the chips podium before the Chinese even after a slow start 😊

[@durianepicurean]

That "maybe" has turned into a definitely not. Because just a couple of months ago Huawei produced their own 7nm chips. Which is only about 3-4 years behind the latest Snapdragon chips.

[@brooks-e8249]

Absolutely brilliant as usual. Just a few years ago, (about a year before the word "Covid" became a household term), a company I provide tech consulting for was well into a project they decided to embark on that would take a portion of their lower level structural engineering jobs and have them completed in China. They opened a boutique-like arm of the larger organization which started in one of the owner's spare bedrooms fifteen years prior, and through hard work and gutsy decisions, they turned that little business into a firm complete with two factories, a design team, a group of amazing engineers and although i do not want to mention their core competency, this company could literally build anything you asked them to. They could work through the artist designs, take those artist renditions and turn them into engineering documents, then take the engineering documents and create CNC, 3d printing, laser cutting or any other type of machine data needed to create the widget and, depending on what they were making, they would then take the finished product and work out a mass production methodology for making lots of high quality widgets at fair prices. These widgets could not be garbage though, so the production line was not something that would be outsourced to China with some coordinates to work the price per item down to 65 cents as the goal, The quality was imperative so at this point mass production in China was not yet on the table. BUT the engineering tasks of taking artistic renderings and engineering the items with all that attention to detail and minimal tolerance was something that this organization felt that they could have done in China for a good price and they were well under the spell that Chinese engineering was first rate. Remember, this was a step that was not just paint by numbers, this was problem solving. This was finding a way to make the widget correctly, quickly, strongly, with function and form equally as important. I will cut my story down to just say, their ability to think through the process, not just follow directions, was a joke. The organization i worked for tried three different companies in China and each one was worse than the prior. Your point hits home for me right no the spot. If the company in China was given what amounts to a paint by number task of fabrication, they could handle it but they were not engineers. What they consider engineering and what we in America consider engineering are two different things. This story is long and takes twists and turns and is full of so much bull chit that in hindsight it is laughable, but even now, as i write this, i feel angry for the situation. But i did get something out of it, i learned a valuable lesson, China survives as a copy cat. They do not invent, they do not engineer, they copy, and they will not color outside the lines, i will promise you that, but if you need them to actually make the lines that need to act as boarders, you are out of luck because they are not taught how to problem solve and problem solving is the key to, well, everything. Thanks again, i know by this point i am talking to myself but this was such a perfect story, i just had t o throw may fifteen cents inl Cheers

[@conradnelson5283]

I appreciate your insight. And I agree.

[@TrickOrRetreat]

thanks for that story. It confirms again what i tell people on occasion. It´s all smoke and mirrors, copying lying and pretending.

[@leunisvandewege9651]

Rather long story for just a comment, but more then worthwhile reading! Especially for non technical people like me. It gives me an important insight! Many thanks!

[@joeladams2011]

thank you very very much

[@user-xcl523]

Poor jealous dog

[@user136002]

There is no catching up. It took 5 years to catch up to a technology that has been stagnant for the last ~100. Chip manufacturers are constantly improving.

[@BruceCarbonLakeriver]

but many big companies are literally selling out to China, that's the problem I see! :S

[@victorye7150]

It don't need to be. China has the power she can take what she wants. Taiwanese TMSC going no where.

[@Thrill98]

@@victorye7150 like russia thought it can take but failed

[@user136002]

@@victorye7150 Lol, keep dreaming.

[@victorye7150]

@@Thrill98 lmao Russia is winning.

[@Gorg0nops]

Fantastic video, Winston! I've been following you since 2016. One of the greatest channels out there. Hugs from southern Chile!

[@danielbroomhall8882]

hola amigo

[@Gorg0nops]

@@danielbroomhall8882 ¡Qué tal! ¿Cómo va la vida?

[@robertduffett]

got a wallet from your sponsor. Really enjoy your channel and usually do not order stuff online from places I don't know, but I need a new wallet, so your timing was spot on... just like your videos Thanks

[@vlhc4642]

Please don't delete this Serpentza, this video will age like such fine milk you'll go down in history.

[@matthewbanta3240]

I had an interesting conversation with a Chinese engineer once. He showed me some of the calculus problems you need to solve just to study engineering in China. I have a US Masters degree in engineering but I couldn't solve any of those problems by hand. It sounded like in China the emphasis was on solving impossible math problems while in the US it was about answering questions. Why don't we do it like this? What is the science behind that? It felt like what US engineers lost in being able to solve tough math problems we gained in understanding the fundamentals of what was going on, being creative, and being able to fly by the seat of our pants more.

[@stefanbanev]

Why? Because it's an unresolvable dilemma, USA wants to have a well controllable lectorates yet it would like to have an innovative engineers and these two goals are not compatible; China does not care about lectorates it cares only about quality of engineers... there is no universal solution and evolution/natural-selection resolves this mess nicely, we are doomed to deal with existing and we have no chances to deal non-existing such trivial circumstances of reality lays down the basis for evolution...

[@hans3331000]

Engineer here as well, and i have something to add as well. It's quite complicated but also abstract. I wasn't the top performing student in my canadian university, but for some reason, those of us with creativity always beat the "smart" students who were really good at solving problems. Unfortunately for them, it was all book knowledge. Unfortunately for them, they never realized how the real world works. How adding 5 decimal points after a temperature measurement would cost millions in equipment, how being overly ambitious with thesis projects and delivering nothing in the end was worse than doing something modest and working to build up your skills. I'm always able to use my creativity and skills to be practical about things. Clients don't like over-conservative analysis, nor do they like incompetence, so it's a fine balance. I always seem to have to defend and argue the "smart" colleagues i have because they genuinely cannot think outside the box, and that can cost us bids. In the end, solving triple integrals and PDEs by hand means nothing. A computer will solve it for you, and it's really just an intermin step in the METHODOLOGY of problem solving that's important. It will also involve risk and CCP hates risk. Who in their right mind would innovate under those circumstances?

[@jerryp2433]

They have a billion people. They are more interested in weeding mediocre people out of college.

[@caribeskinner6290]

That's what we would call an "Academic". We had professors who were good at solving problems in the book but had issues when it came to applying it to real life.

[@aoeu256]

@@hans3331000 is it that the ccp hates risk, or that China is landlocked and lacks natural resources and their trade routes can easily blocked so there are more important things to do before Chinese can innovate

[@sentry8992]

It's not just the little metal ball. It's also the chemistry of the ink. The ball has to move around in a socket and allow the ink to flow while simultaneously not allowing the ink to just flow onto the paper.

[@dimamash1575]

LOL cmon what is that cope you really think that takes 5 years?

[@sentry8992]

@@dimamash1575 Why don't you get going on your own formulation and report back. Show us how long it takes to get right.

[@CrimeWithEli]

@@sentry8992xcept that he isn’t a government that collects tax from 1.5 billion people and boasts a GDP of over 17 trillion USD only behind the U.S

[@jukio02]

So, China had problems developing the ballpoint pen, who cares. Which other countries will be able to do build the ballpoint pen on their own? China has their own space station, I don't see any country with their own space station. Yeah, that's what I thought.

[@sentry8992]

@@jukio02 You asked who cares? China cares. The Chinese government recognizes how important developing such capabilities are. That's why they undertook the challenge. The same with the space station and computer chips.

[@GodSpeaksInMath]

Finally...You guys deserve an award for journalism or sumin...

[@pubgjan7912]

😂😂😂 what a comedy

[@wohoyay]

Keep the good work coming!

[@kelmund]

I have to say you are great at deciphering the whole thing. Thanks for the show. Stay awesome

[@danielbroomhall8882]

go back and prepare your noodle

[@jasonshen5215]

Hush! You got huawei's slap.

[@ZacktheWize]

I love your videos on exposing the Chinese government and such

[@brooks274]

I work in a chip fab, and to make chips, you need the tools, which constantly need maintenance and new parts, and a global supply chain of materials, like gases, metals, chemicals. China can't make their own semiconductor tools, and the ones they do make are 20yr behind.

[@channelshmanel9882]

I've had Chinese companies make many parts for me over the years, and the thing that has flabbergasted me is how they seem to have absolutely no concept of tolerances. There are many parts that simply will not work if it is made too big or too small by half of the thickness of a human hair (and of course much less than that in things like chips and ballpoint pens). A big part of engineering is deciding what the tolerances should be. Even in cases where the Chinese are using a process that is easily capable of maintaining a particular tolerance on a drawing, and their measuring instruments are fully capable of verifying it, they are routinely out of spec. They just care if it looks right to the naked eye. Even if they did care, tolerances cannot be determined for parts that they reverse engineer.

[@MultiWarbird]

Shut up Angloid.

[@KORTOKtheSTRONG]

neat

[@TMsonjakopp7006]

Factsss man. I bought one of them 5 dollar iPhone off wish and it was only a cardboard printout. I bet all the skyscrapers in China is made of cardboards man. Not to mention, They launched like a space station even though we all done space don’t exist.😂

[@BeesKneesBenjamin]

That's funny, at the company I work for every now and then we outsource some milling and lathing for small badges to China... We've never had tolerance issues, they have been super consistent. When you are willing to pay for high quality prices, you get high quality parts. If you're trying to cheap out and pay them little, you're going to get a crappy piece.

[@highping1786]

The thing I noticed was that they didn't care about long term relationships. They would make a sale and cut corners knowing my hardware was going to fail to make a quick buck, not caring about the opportunity to make future sales.

[@christopersambeli2823]

this video age well, kirin 9000s

[@mrpaddingtonn]

very interesting video. back in 2016 i was in China and bought Pentel ballpoint. they were horrible! i bought 2 more thinking the first one was bad, to no avail. i let it go but now i understand why…

[@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13]

My father did a lot of business in China as the global director for Stahl Chemicals Leather and Automotive Finishes arm... I wasn't too impressed after hearing what he had to say about how they do I things and later seeing it for myself.

[@Bufekana]

Do tell more, please😊

[@sergeantblue6115]

My dad is similiar, he's a director of multiple chinese energy factories(solar cell oriented in the most part), i saw some photos and i feel like they have been in better days but still, it looks pretty neat

[@edgynuke5007]

And my father is the CEO of Microsoft, see I can also tell lies

[@VittamarFasuthAkbin]

isn't your text the opposite the thread creator said?

[@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13]

@@edgynuke5007 Why would you assume that's a lie?... It's a pretty big company, but it's not Microsoft and it's not like I even said he was the CEO. He was the director of his branch of the company that he worked for for like thirty years. Douchebag

[@mjouwbuis]

While I agree on almost all points about China lacking high tech knowledge, the repair industry is not their weak point (which makes sense, since economical conditions would make that thrive and Chinese technicians are good at improvising anyway). Apple and other manufacturers don't actually sell many of those spare parts to repairmen or end users, so scavenging parts is the usual way to go about a repair, unfortunately :(

[@jawadmansoor6064]

I love your content. You are a good man with great insight. I am very thankful for opening my eyes about corruption that had always been there but never highlighted.

[@PenTheMighty]

The #1 reason for a lack of innovation in China is a result of the concept of "face"; Chinese people do not want to fail. This creates a gigantic problem, because innovation requires failure, setbacks, and teething troubles. A great example of this is aircraft carriers; another thing China is hungry for. It took decades of trial and error for Western powers to develop the aircraft carrier, along with improving the ships to the point that they could sail in blue water across the ocean. Sure, China can copy older designs or refurbish carriers that were already built but building your own carrier, suited to your own naval doctrine, experience, and expertise is much more difficult and takes generations to develop. And there were many failures in regards to testing carriers. Plenty of US pilots died testing new aircraft and attempting to land them on carriers, as well as hundreds of crew members. Some of these lesson were learned the hard way, in actual combat, where mistakes cost lives and material. Chinese officials are terrified of failing, thus they never feel the freedom to think outside of the box. In the CCP, failure means you're living on borrowed time and will probably be fed to the wolves sooner or later.

[@ipanesm]

@@hanfucolorful9656 the india made the incredible feat of having their first rocket NOT crash, amazing, all the other "supercountries" failed at that

[@rjbz554]

good love to hear this, why evil fails its called pride in the bible

[@PenTheMighty]

@@hanfucolorful9656 China, if properly governed, would be the richest and most powerful nation on Earth. They have the resources, rare earth metals,.and even the ability to manipulate their own currency. They still fail.

[@PenTheMighty]

@@ipanesm True. It was truly an impressive feat. Hats off to India, they beat the odds and achieved something great.

[@AraCarrano]

Think of any Automotive Sensor. Have to buy 10 to find one with the correct properties that come close to matching OEM specs.

[@theciklia]

Thats why i buy OEM only. I dont need or wanna to import electronic waste to my country !

[@charlesfavell3350]

Taiwan 🇹🇼 is a Great Country With Freedom and rights

[@NikkiMcMistie]

yeah no

[@williamwongkimping3998]

DieWan country my ass😂😂😂

[@TangomanX2008]

Right on, Charles!

[@Rich7714]

It is indeed! I used to live there

[@Sparky_D]

Unfortunately China is going to try very hard to take over and I fear they will succeed.

[@justwhenithought]

Great presenation by using ball-point pen as an example and broadened it to semiconductor. Well done.

[@drdecker1]

This is certainly nothing like producing a ballpoint pen tip which generally has not changed in a long time. Chips are being constantly innovated with newer abilities in smaller increments. So it is further being improved. This means even the machinery it uses to further reduce the size of the chip is being changed. So while it is still trying to play catch up. It is being further driven into areas that China will find more complicated.

[@samholdsworth420]

It's the same thing dude

[@drdecker1]

@@samholdsworth420 Do you understand why God created individuals differently? Now don't stay up all night thinking about that one!

[@tachikomakusanagi3744]

Whoosh!!!

[@Veldazandtea]

@@drdecker1 That has nothing to do with balltip pens or microchips. You're an idiot changing the topic because you can't make ac ounter argument that stays on topic.

[@SaccoBelmonte]

Very useful info, I thought they were fully capable and I was wondering why Chinese CPUs aren't a thing.

[@KlodFather]

Which is why they want Taiwan... and why TSMC is expanding into USA and other places. To put the best tech off limits to China. China wants to take Taiwan by force if necessary to annex their tech. Its like a worthless parasite on the prowl. They have also stolen everyones fish in the region. Its mind boggling how bad they have desimated the fishing around Philippines and Indonesia. Some countries are sinking their fishing boats. Especially South America.

[@TMsonjakopp7006]

Nahhhh man the ccp is fake bro. All their buildings are like ,made from cardboards. I mean China is like poorer than Africa they can’t even make pens.😂😂😂 their space stations are also fake. We call know space doesn’t exist.

[@TMsonjakopp7006]

@@KlodFather ya man they took all the fish and made them into sushi. No wonder they got Covid. I met some of them Chinese in Florida and they smell just like fish man.

[@KlodFather]

@@TMsonjakopp7006 - Your comment does not make any sense... What does that have to do with anything? 😜

[@TMsonjakopp7006]

@@KlodFather you must be one of them ccp bots. Get real job

[@Teh_Zig]

I have many stories of engineers I know having their board designs stolen by people and mass produced, often while being substantially cheaper they just don't work, they couldn't get the software right. One guy took backer money, and submitted his designs to a factory only to never hear back from them after they took the money and mass produced his board under a different name. He tried to pay the backers back, but ultimately wasn't able to and took his own life.

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

This is why i only order components in China and let the PCB's assembled in my home country. I would never send a full PCB design to a chinese supplier. Only stupid engineers would do this.

[@mrssousou7785]

This is horrible. Capitalism in a nut shell.

[@ZSleepingDragonZ]

He didn't sign a contract with the factory before submitting his designs?

[@Waverlyduli]

@@mrssousou7785 Nice try, CCP slow bot. The topic is China's incapacity to invent or innovate. Concentrate.

[@joshuasmith2814]

@@mrssousou7785 You're a nut... how is theft related to Capitalism?

[@zazu9117]

"Think tank the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) has published an update to its Critical Technology Tracker, and asserted that China has taken the lead in research on 37 of 44 critical or emerging technologies."

[@thefeatheredfrontiersman8135]

The ball in the pen tip is tungsten. It's a very small amount but if you have a ton of pens it's worth it to clip the balls out. It reduces friction and the ink rolls off instead of sticking. Now you know the secret of the ball point pen

[@gordonwelcher9598]

They will find a cheaper material that does not last long.

[@enginerdy]

The issue the Chinese manufacturing had was the tolerances required to prevent them from leaking. Tungsten is difficult to machine anyway, and this is a very tightly toleranced and very highly spherical part.

[@freedomdude5420]

That’s irony for only one reason china is the biggest producer of tungsten in the world.

[@MrDosonhai]

@@freedomdude5420 It's easy to mine natural resources, what differentiates the West from the world is that they add so much value to those natural resources. That's why they're rich. Anyone who claims they got rich just from invading other countries, and harvesting their natural resources should look at how much stuff in their house was invented in the West.

[@freedomdude5420]

@@MrDosonhai I was referring to also that they have the biggest deposits in the world, but then again you are at right in some degree there a lot of countries with good resources but don’t have a way to make stuff with the materials it’s kind of an art. One thing I hate about countries with rich resources is it’s easy for the country becoming a dictatorship it’s when the country has to be forced with medium to low resources when a dictator loses power completely I don’t know why.

[@MutethatBozo]

I like to repair old radios and stereo gear. When ordering components such as capacitors, etc., I make a point to avoid buying Chinese components. They're just not very good most of the time, and if I'm going to take the time to fix a nice piece of old gear, why waste my time installing new problems into them?

[@AndreasGosch]

Why China Can't make Chips=? - Carl Zeiss, german manufacturer of optics and mirrors. It is precisely these high-precision mirrors that are required in the machines for lithography on the silicon wavers during chip production. You can do that with lenses up to a certain size, but if you want to go below that, you need these mirrors, which aren't exported to China. Taiwan has them in their machines.

[@JigilJigil]

Mirrors/optics are not the hardest part, the key part of ASML EUV machine is its light source which is designed and built by Cymer (based in California), that's pretty the most complicated part and China's has no access it.

[@marioluigi9599]

@@JigilJigil ...and Cymer is bought out by ASML, so it's no longer American loooool, Mr America.

[@jarnokuosa9968]

Thank you serpentza! You do a great job of stating the facts. You are great human being.

[@Noxis07]

If a country's military has to heavily rely on espionage and theft to replicate their enemy's superior designs, then what does that say about the rest of the country's technology sector?

[@TsoiIzAlive]

it says its run by people with the intellect and foresight of a 10 year old

[@vueport99]

@@TsoiIzAlive this is because the foundation of the country was based on burning books and persecuting the intellectuals

[@h.mandelene3279]

That's why i find china funny - they say they have top technology but they had to copy it to get it. So how can they be leaders of tech when they have to copy it from everyone else???

[@vueport99]

@@h.mandelene3279 because they have selective memory loss. Just like how they keep telling the world Taiwan is part of China. And yet In the past 70 years not a single China leader has set foot in Taiwan. And Taiwan has their own passport that allows them access to a FAR greater list of countries without a VISA whereas the "powerful" country needs visa for almost every country worthwhile to visit! Go figure

[@ranaashhad8040]

@@h.mandelene3279 Your knowledge of China is 20 years old. Learn to update your mental software.

[@k3rc4]

The short answer to the question is corporate espionage, but then again everyone knows that...

[@phangirlable]

Fun fact: the US has been doing this to Germany for decades. At least the Chinese don't do much to hide it.. XD

[@pakde8002]

Corporate, political, social and academic espionage. They spy on it all.

[@niccosaur7778]

Can I read the other reply, KZbin , you scumbags?

[@MostIntelligentMan]

what fucking espionage, they make everything, everything is made in china, do they copy? yes, but they dont need no espionage, just change label

[@extrememiami]

It says 5 comments to this post Aljaz K, , yet none show up. China trolls commenting here? Shadow bam I guess?

[@michaelglenning5107]

This revelation of how much effort and knowledge goes into manufactured items is a testament to how co-operation benefits us all. If every country decided to make there own ball point pen, it would be a massive redirection of effort, duplicating something that's already been accomplished. We all rely on each other, much to the regret of the world's dictators.

[@caldinacube7490]

This video aged well… 2023 they are already making 7nm chips.

[@caldinacube7490]

Correction 5mn as of today

[@markoanzic830]

@@caldinacube7490 Correction 0,00001nm as of tomorrow.

[@iamerror1699]

@@markoanzic830 0nm as of tomorrow

[@TheScotsalan]

I remember the ball point pen thing. It was about the same time when China announced it could make high grade ball bearing steel. Within weeks it was on Chinese news about high speed trains in Guangdong having wheel bearing failures. They claimed the german bearings they used were damaged by pressure change in tunnels, and the supplier was being dropped cos chinese bearings were better. It was such a strange thing I rememberd it ( I am an engineer ). Ha ha, also.. another story..

[@SwordFighterPKN]

China is so high tech they don't have drinkable water out of the tap in those sky scrapers, that's just nuts

[@cassiuslives4807]

As someone who works in tech, I appreciate this analysis.

[@fakewhiteman3412]

He is a white supremacy, white man success was build on stolen loot in the name of Jesus, one hindu said,his forefathers commit unspeakable atrocities, He has audacity said others behind smell

[@tronwars7130]

This guy must feel really dumb considering Huawei just released the Huawei 5G mate 60 pro that the US government is in a panic over.

[@asmodeuso27]

Manufactured by their own lithography process?

[@jamix203]

@@asmodeuso27 Yes! Dude

[@lonewanderer-im]

hahahaha. lol they forgot to add a zero behind the 7. 70nm

[@notyrbsns9321]

In 1995, I worked for AdLib, a pc sound card manufacturer. We used Crystal Semiconductor cs4232 chip set. We paid $15 a pop plus another $32 for midi chip on our most expensive cards. While we were in Hanover for a computer show, we met a Chinese manufacturer who told us he got the exact same chip form Crystal at 5 cents a pop. This means the chip cost a fraction on a cent to manufacture. Same chip, made in US and all. How can a honest north American company compete with this.

[@orlock20]

Counterfeit chips are a thing and he might have been getting counterfeit chips. When I worked at an auto dealership, one of our suppliers was always trying to sell us counterfeit spark plug wires even though the company was an authorized distributor from the automobile company.

[@lesptitsoiseaux]

Your defect rate combined with the cost of support and loss in revenue and brand quality would've cost you more

[@MurderMostFowl]

I would call him out as BS… it was probably a knock off chip. Also, too and you didn’t keep any of those cards… the original adlib ( pre sound blaster ) goes for a ton of money with collectors… $500+

[@aasphaltmueller5178]

a appliance machanic/electrician once told me that components are measured on performance; not only chips, or those may be differently, but capacitors, resistors, whatever. A brand manufacturer will buy only the very best, and the rest goes into different price categories. So parts may be the same as in an I Phone or brand TV, but actually they do not perform to the same level.

[@notyrbsns9321]

@@orlock20 No, that's the point. If china is not capable of manufacturing chips NOW, imagine in 1995. I'm sick of seeing American manufacturers selling us items 10 000 times the price they sell oversae. They make huge profit here then they turn around and almost give everything for free to our enemies. Corporations which would not even exist if the US wasn't there to provide advanced infrastructures and economy.

[@theaveragejoe5781]

"... the old adage, that the pen is mightier than 150 years of Chinese innovation, is true." 🤣🤣Much respect for this well crafted video, Sir!

[@sanderdeboer6034]

TIP: Have you heard about the secret police stations China has here in the Netherlands and probably all around the EU? The Dutch government has released a statement that at least 25 ‘police stations’ run by the Chinese are present in the Netherlands. Maybe a topic for a video!

[@Tackleberry666]

And what has been done about it?

[@greeneeman]

@@Tackleberry666 Nothing at the moment haha.

[@dylangarrison7358]

they have also been found in Canada

[@sanderdeboer6034]

China has obviously denied the claims and calls them ‘overseas servicestations’. However there is many evidence including witness statements from Chinese dissidents who live here in the Netherlands, and who were taken hostage in those ‘servicestations’. Currently the dutch foreign ministry is conduction an investigation into this case, and use the outcome to take appropriate actions. Maybe the Chinese ambassador will be forced to leave or something, similar to what often happens with Russian diplomats. Not sure if anything more will be done, however probably not.

[@pipo1768]

china made iphone ipad foxconn you idiots stupid poop shit bull shit white western west peoples

[@Ozymandias1]

László Bíró, the inventor of the ballpoint pen, wasn’t even alive in 1888. He was born in 1899. And the ballpoint pen only came into common use after WWII.

[@anthonyyoung6489]

When I think of China I think about steaks. And lobsters. Because betting against China and Chinese companies makes me enough money to eat steak and lobster every single day.

[@adamnoir5014]

The same applies to producing high grade alloys. It takes decades of R&D. Chinese fighter engines pack up after a few months for the reasons described.

[@HermanWillems]

Same goes for commercial airplanes these days use super advanced techniques to build the plane to be this light and fuel efficient. Super advanced layers of material. With top secret production processes and even if you know the secrets it's still super difficult to make.

[@cherubin7th]

"Your iphone". Me: Sorry I don't want to simulate digital North Korea on my phone. Only use de-googled Android.

[@reneamann1192]

Bravo, interessant and brilliant. Merci beaucoup à vous!