Why Chinese Gymnastics is so TOXIC that would make Simone Biles suck?! 中国体操有毒

A documentary that can help you understand how China trains its young gymnasts:
• How a future Chinese G...
I admire Simone: this video is not to belittle Simone but to reveal the training philosophy behind Chinese gymnastics and why it's declining
I edited this gymnastic version from my previous video, which I feel is too long. But China stuff is so hard to explain to non-Chinese... #China
The full video explains how Chinese sports system really works and might provide more context for you understand why Chinese gymnastics is declining.
• China's Sports Machine...
#china #gymlover #gymnast #simonebiles

[@michaelmantooth4235]

It's interesting that they put so much research into gymnast selection given how relatively ineffective China has been on vault and floor, and therefore in the all around competition. I wonder if they are basing that research on the old era of gymnastics, where super thin gymnasts were favored, as opposed to modern gymnastics which clearly favors strength and allows for a wider range of body types.

[@mywei222]

China hasn’t caught up with the new trend and coaches don’t know to do strength training and conditioning yet. So we just hold on to BB and UB, and give up vault completely.

[@michaelmantooth4235]

@@mywei222 I was so happy for Nemour and she won UB fairly, but I personally find the style/pacing of the Chinese routines more beautiful.

[@mywei222]

I kinda feel Chinese routines are not so favored by the international judges.

[@JaniceLThinker]

Review the video apparently, you didn't get it. Some countries have different training systems. You forget that back in the stone age of women's gymnastics, fully adult women competed and their sport was also based in flexibility, fluidity and dance elements. They were not very athletic or acrobatic. Then, Olga Korbut came along & changed the sport with her acrobatics, Nadia pushed it even further then, the era of the teen gymnast dominated the sport. Now Simone has changed the sport introducing "power gymnastics" based upon strength, stamina & power evidenced by her tremendous amplitude & her twisting prowess. Simone has been very durable & dominant competing through 3 Olympic games.

[@mrparts]

The last excellent true AA gymnast from China was Zhang Nan. No one has ever come close to her.

[@jovita9323]

I wondered why chinese gymnasts are so slender and young. And also more wobbly while executing their elements :D. Muscular gymnasts are more controlled in their movements. Thanks for explanation. I hate methods that wear down the athletes bodies and not focus on long term solutions and overall well being of athletes...

[@mywei222]

A retired girl said she barely drank water to keep her weight down… those poor girls suffer so much…

[@physeter_de595]

@@mywei222 Maybe they switch strategy because of the success of the USA and other older gymnasts. Hopefully.

[@valerielinares2068]

Simone Biles stepped down out of completion at the Tokyo Olympics to protect her safety as she had the twisties, which is a mental block that causes the mind and body to disconnect so a gymnast doesn't know where they are in the air. Competing with the twisties is very dangerous, since a gymnast who gets lost in the air could land on their head, or neck, leaving them paralyzed or worse. It makes me sad to think that a Chinese gymnast would not be allowed to step down, or would feel pressured to continue competing, even if they had the twisties, essentially risking their lives. I understand that they don't have that "luxury" to step down, even if they have something like the twisties. It just makes me sad the fact that they don't have that option. It shouldn't even be considered a "luxury" to have the choice to step down if an athlete needs to for their own safety. That should be a basic right for every athlete around the globe! It's so sad that so little care is given for the individual athletes, even to the point of enduring mental, emotional, and physical abuse. Also, it sounds like part of your point is that Simone Biles wouldn't be able to handle the same type of pressure on Chinese Olympic athletes... first of all, she did put up with a toxic training environment. The Karolys were very abusive, and she also endured sexual abuse by an Olympic doctor. Her experience with that is what led her to getting the twisties to begin with. And now here she is again, getting 4 medals at the Paris Olympics. But also, no one should have to put up with that mistreatment, not even Chinese athletes. That's so wrong.

[@mywei222]

I love Simone and I wasn't questioning her capability. What I am saying if a Chinese girl with Simone's ability, she would not be as successful as the real Simone. Probably already burned out or injured before she can reach her full potential.

[@valerielinares2068]

​@@mywei222😢 that breaks my heart so much. No athlete should need to endure any sort of abuse, Chinese or otherwise.

[@JaniceLThinker]

We all know about "the twisties" we been informed about it for five years --enough already.

[@vienna77]

@@JaniceLThinker also known as steroids...

[@JaniceLThinker]

@@vienna77 Get off drugs.

[@liteymin3815]

Well done, this video is very informative and well-explained. I'm reminded of the notorious Russian coach in figure skating Eteri Tutberidze whose skaters have to deal with the infamous "Eteri Expiration Date" which is 17 years of age. Low weight, thin frame, and adolescent-size body proportions are required to survive her style of training. Past 17 years of age, her skaters' performance go down rapidly and could no longer compete at the level they used to when they were still in their early teens. Figure skating has now become a girl's sport but not necessarily for women. I'm happy that in women's gymnastics, Simone, Rebeca, and Suni are proving that full-grown women can still compete at the highest level in the sport.

[@mywei222]

China learned its training philosophy from Russia.

[@meiduo2744]

Poor Cheng Fei is a victim of China's oppressive sports system. The only thing to be thankful for is that she is strong enough and wasn't crushed to pieces by that dehumanizing society."

[@2FLIPS3.5TWISTS]

the athletes from China look stressed, sometimes, its insane pressure. I am rooting for Su Weid redemption.

[@SeekingFreedom369]

Simone fan here and you are 🤣😂🤣 Also, this was very informative and I learned a lot. thank you

[@anaferguson5135]

You do not need to be mean and yell at the kids if they do not get it right the first time. Thanks for the information. Too much pressure put on them.

[@joanamoreira2188]

1- China opts for a certain body type for their gymnasts because in the view of the Chinese gymnastics federation they think that thinner and smaller bodies are better for gymnastic (whether they are wrong or not, that is what screening is like, just as screening for the triple jump is about being tall) which is not a lie, small gymnasts have a greater advantage than taller ones and thinner bodies don't wear out their joints as quickly as heavy people and the lighter you are, the better you can do certain tricks (especially on bars and beams). Emphasizing that this was the standard and generic gymnastics body. Even if we compare Cheg Fei's body from 2008- Beijing with some gymnasts today, even though she was strong in the Vault, she still had a slender and non-muscular body, perhaps it's the Chinese biotype and genetics. 2- The factor of being young is also an advantage in gymnastics and in any other sport, it's not worth pretending that it's not the truth, the younger you are the better you are in most sports... Simone is fantastic but Simone is 1 in a million, she is the exception not the rule, of course Simone is young but for gymnastic the peak of a gymnastics career is in adolescence like 13-19, the further you go in gymnastics the more wear and tear on your joints and injuries they will have and subsequently the slower it will be recovery, the rule was always 16 years old now people seem surprised when they see a 16 year old gymnast, but I don't know why since that was the rule until then. And obviously, you don't see gymnastics going much further because younger talents are always emerging and end up surpassing the older ones, older gymnasts have the advantage of experience, of being able to withstand nerves better in big competitions, but a young girl will always go be better when it comes to the peak and capacity of the body, again Simone is the exception not the rule, Simone is fantastic and only in a long time will be there the same. And the other truth is that although Rebeca Andrade is phenomenal and amazing, Rebeca in the 2024 solo final in Paris would never have won against the younger Simone of 2016, it's the truth. 3- I don't know if it's true or not that gymnasts are chosen for beauty, but in general I haven't seen any Chinese gymnast whose level of beauty was in the category of a super model; sooner I see beautiful female athletes in pole vault and high jump. 4- Regarding abuse in Chinese gymnastics, I really believe that children are trained intensely for his age and his small capacity but I think that others also have their flaws, especially when it comes to sexual abuse. 5-We are all seeing how the USA is changing artistic gymnastics by focusing more on strength than on grace, and if the USA has won medals it is up to other countries to reinvent themselves to try to surpass them but I think the USA doesn't have to " criticizing" the physique of gymnasts with a younger appearance and body because, whether or not, this has always been the body for artistic gymnastics, whether in China, the USSR (Russia), Romania, etc... the USA is now the one that Coming with more muscular bodies than other countries, and maybe other countries also find that strange and that's okay, each country follows its ideology as long as it respects the athletes. 6- In my opinion, women's gymnastics is and has always been toxic, whether between gymnasts from the same country or between countries (now it's better) when compared to men's gymnastics, it's not just in China. The West has an extreme view of China, I'm not saying that they are Saints in China and I'm not going to deny the country's past when it comes to people's rights, but China is evolving as a country and it no longer treats gymnasts the way it did in the decade 80/90/2000 (in which the abuse was not only in China but also in the great powers to win medals such as the USA, USSR, Romania), the approach changed, the spirit of sacrifice and glory for the country does not have to be bad , it's the culture of the country, besides being individualistic they work to achieve things and give honor to the country, when they win and are good it's always unclear when it's the West everything is fine.

[@jixer1956]

7:01 Simone probably experienced that kind of coaching at Karolyi ranch back in the day... Chinese and Russian/Soviet gymnastics training philosophies have a lot in common.

[@michaelmantooth4235]

It's still like that in a lot of gyms and across a lot of sports, even in the US. People often accuse China/Russia of having these kinds of regimes, but in the US top pro basketball prospects are generally identified under 10, and the rankings start at age 6. The training camps these little kids are sent to are super intense. I went to school next to one of them, and I watched a grown man grab a kid by the face mask and push him down because he was late for practice. That's not even getting into other areas where this kind of training is common, ballet/dance schools can be insanely abusive, just look at what they were willing to broadcast on Dance Moms.

[@ltldxy71]

I’ve always known I was blessed to have been born in the US. But now I know that even more.

[@BigHeadAvenger]

I had to deal with antiquated (dangerous) training, one summer, for American High School Football. Our coach had a motto, "Water makes you weak." We went through a whole summer of twice a day trainings, in 32+ celcius heat with high humidity, without water breaks. Amazingly, only one person passed out towards the end of summer training. This came from a former pro athlete. I can only imagine having to go through a decade plus of this persistant torture. I support my country, in the Olympics, but I support the athletes way more. If China beats us, I don't mind, because when I watched them falter, I knew life was about to get hard for them.

[@milenabg571]

this is fun. if they looked at my biological parents, they would think that I would stay small. my mom is only 163 cm and my dad is 172 cm. I am 173 cm tall. in my mom's family, everyone was tall except her. men around 190 cm or over 190. women between 170 and 175 cm.

[@YayWei320]

"you only need...a calculator, if you're not Asian" 😂 Mirror was all I needed to know that I absolutely would not make it as a Chinese gymnast, also the fact that I'm Chinese American. My childhood was too cushy in America lol. Also, YAY seeing another Wei out in the world using Wei puns to our advantage!!!

[@mywei222]

Yay Wei to go !!

[@richardlau2447]

Subscribed. That was good . Make more videos.Thank you!

[@csaw4u]

The flexibility injuries you described.... are those pretty much what happened to morgan hurd? She had 8 elbow injuries.. i dont think she is even able to straighten them anymore

[@revrabia]

Very informative

[@DingodileinCahoots]

Everywhere, cute gets you a leg up in life. Jobs interviews, promotions..everything.

[@litariddock1286]

Wow, what an excellent analysis and breakdown of the two coaching systems. I wonder how much each athlete loves the sport that chose them. You really clarify how it is not always effective to reverse engineer an athlete with so many possibilities for life long injuries and minimal mental health support.

[@benjaminramirez7382]

It breaks my heart for the Chinese girls who go through such grueling training only to be expected to win gold for political reason!? May god bless these children.

[@mywei222]

Hope they get the healing they need

[@joanamoreira2188]

Worse was in the United States where they suffered sexual abuse from medical staff...

[@qualinseler]

Way to completely squeeze out all joy from the sport

[@mywei222]

They are not training to enjoy the joy of the sport. It’s their livelihood with a single goal to get medals

[@JaniceLThinker]

Interesting, thank you for your insight and info.

[@catseye1009]

I am not sure of your point here. The title suggests that Simone Biles would not make a team in China because…she is not skinny or cute? Surely, I am misunderstanding because China has its methods for selection and the USA has theirs. I hear-tell, the gymnastics in Russia and Romania is quite different as well. Different strokes for different folks. The Chinese are lauded for their finesse in gymnastics; what is the rationale of this video?

[@mywei222]

no. she's not cute or skinny enough for China. it's a fact sorry. I know it hurt your feelings but luckily she's not Chinese.

[@kengsenchong4010]

​@@mywei222 so what is your circular point of view? Btw, if their TOXIC skinnies start winning gold medals, that would become trending?...just a thought.

[@mywei222]

It’s not just gymnastics. Look at how thin kpop idols are. Not everywhere and everybody follow American value or standard

[@fernandahudson1101]

yeah, she wouldn't make it into the team and they would've lost a star, which just proves the point of how inefficient this method is 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@mywei222]

@@fernandahudson1101 finally you got it... congratsss

[@csaw4u]

Makes it even sadder that shang chusong was consistently underscored at international competitions. She got 4th way too many times when she should have been on the podium . Was soo close of being the rio 2016 bronze AA but the effin judges did our girl dirty. Even through her illness she was giving it her all

[@mywei222]

This year’s Olympics showed us how bureaucratic gymnastics is and has been… heartbreaking for all those athletes who weren’t favored by FIG (PIG)

[@brittking3990]

Since Beijing Olympics I have detested China’s training methods…especially their attitude towards female (children actually) gymnasts. I think 2 of the 5 gymnasts they used were proven to be underaged…but no one would come forward at the time. Heaven forbid we upset the host nation~. 🥲

[@meiduo2744]

I am proud of her

[@Duckquack-1]

I sense sarcasm... 😂

[@mywei222]

if everyone is as smart as you, world peace will come in 3 seconds.

[@jamtmann]

@@mywei222😂 Awesome

[@sebumpostmortem]

I mean, just read her user name😉. Beyond brilliant phonetic pun. 🧛🏻‍♀️🖤

[@physeter_de595]

When you made this video, had the olympic gymnastics competition in Paris already taken place? Because for China the results were kind of underwhelming. While the men still made 2 gold and 5 medals overall, though not winning the gold for the team competition, the women only got 2 silver medals. I don't think that this would be considered a success. Maybe they now go again for the youngest possible kids for the next olympics.

[@physeter_de595]

I just watched the "future Chinese Gymnastic Champion" video. Was this actually broadcast on chinese television? Is it generally accepted, that a 9 year old and a 5 year old live alone far away from their parents? The whole video was terrifying! Obviously it is fine with chinese culture that Tingtings parents put pressure on their daughter to push through the training and have success. European or american parents can often be the same. But if it was shown in a tv documentation like this, there would be a serious uproar against it in EU or USA.

[@donachym2611]

suck ...one of the chinese gymnist continous work at the restaurant after winning the silver medal

[@joanamoreira2188]

What's wrong with helping your own parents in a family restaurant? It even seems like something out of the ordinary to help parents. Who has never helped their family? When it's in the West everything is fine, when it's in China it's because it's oppression.

[@wchenful]

Everything about selection here makes perfect logical sense other than the appearance check 😂

[@Marigold11]

Im not anti science but this is ridiculous. Isnt more beaurocratic than scienctific?

[@meiduo2744]

何止是运动场，任何地方都在强调牺牲个体服从集体，可是集体是谁的？没有个体、没有内核、没有内在的自我完善和内在发展的驱动力，即使取得成绩也是昙花一现、不可持续 集体主义、极权主义能造就纳粹德国、强极一时的前苏联，最后的结果还是轰然崩塌

[@mywei222]

Haha you get to ask ChatGPT to translate it into English.

[@felisasininus1784]

你不在乎每一个个体 你只在乎你自己 You don't care for every individual. You only care about yourself.

[@xxg6573]

你是不是常看“不在乎大国崛起，只在乎小民尊严”那种软文，哈哈哈。

[@mywei222]

她就是作者本尊 还不速速跪下膜拜

[@cola7ups823]

If the gymnast of today were compared to the ones in the 70s up to early 90s, they would all suck. They would never make a team with all the falling, bobbing and cannot stick landings. The quality of the sport has really gone down. Also, back in the day, you would never see that many fat gymnast like today.

[@P55999]

I agree. However, if you are referring blacks are fat, I disagree it's our body shape.

[@mariusa.5863]

Oh come on, ever saw someone doing a Moors or a Triple double back in those days or a Yurchenko double pike? I'm glad to actually see WOMEN compete as opposed to teenage girls.

[@sebumpostmortem]

Chinese paper thin divers? Talk about artistic swimmers🪶🪶🪶🪶🪶🪶🪶🪶