Why cities are full of uncomfortable benches

That bench won't be yours forever.
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When designing urban spaces, city planners have many competing interests to balance. After all, cities are some of the most diverse places on the planet. They need to be built for a variety of needs.
In recent years, these competing interests have surfaced conflict over an unlikely interest: purposefully uncomfortable benches.
Enter the New York City MTA. They’ve installed 'leaning bars’ to supplement traditional benches & save platform space. But designs like this carry an often invisible cost: they rob citizens of hospitable public space. And the people who experience this cost most directly are those experiencing homelessness.
A few notes of thanks:
First to Historian A. Roger Ekirch who kindly got me up to speed on the expansion of streetlights in historic western city districts.
Another thanks goes to author Veronica Harnish, who outlined some of the pitfalls that people experiencing homelessness face when choosing between sleeping rough or utilizing emergency shelters. You can read her blog here: car-living.blogspot.com/
A third thank you goes to the staff at the Unites States Interagency Council on Homelessness - they supplied the map in this video, as well as some aggregate statistics of the United States homeless population. Those numbers come from a variety of annual ‘Point-In-Time’ counts. The 2018 event will take place in late January, and the process depends on volunteers - so if you'd like to participate, you can find your local organizer here: www.hudexchange.info/grantees...#granteeSearch
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[@jennali9800]

That "leaning bar" is making me uncomfortable just to look at.

[@jennali9800]

@Lasagna Lasagna Neither do I.

[@alias4795]

Ikr

[@kpopeditsbyweanah]

The subway in my country now has it too and I hate it. It's so uncomfortable for everyone and short people can't even get there, I have to stand anyway because I don't reach it correctly and makes my back hurt!

[@user-wl6gv3ke7u]

I personally like to think that the ‘leaning bar’ did not take people with disability or short height into consideration.

[@Derpity]

Yeah... I don’t even see how you can lean on it since the bottom is going towards you.

[@darebearproductions964]

Oh just say it, you don’t want homeless people sleeping on the benches

[@loafofbread9400]

They wernt exactly hiding it thats what they are saying

[@happytoaster1]

That does prevent the people the benches were intended to help, like the elderly, from making use of them. And unfortunately tends to also lead to urinating and defecating around them.

[@Flip-3206]

The question is, why it takes this guy four minutes to explain this? They don't want homeless people to sleep on benches and they don't want people loitering. Eight seconds!

[@PatheticTV]

Yes. That's the whole point.

[@emperror85]

If we cut the homeless people in half, they'll fit on many of these benches.

[@clairemerner5773]

Anti homeless architecture doesn’t mean people won’t be homeless. It just means they get pushed farther and farther to the margins.

[@vali_bg5234]

Their goal is to get the homeless to the margins, so the margins can eat them.

[@chemplay1095]

Breaking news: We were not letting homeless people sleep and pushed them to the wilderness and now they are back with spears and rage so we are suprised.

[@mr_box1264]

I feel bad about them u know (the homeless)

[@seelz1136]

@@chemplay1095 breaking news: the republic of hobos have seceded from the USA and subsequently declared war, their military consists of people with pots strapped on their head equipped with handmade bows and spears

[@JohnnyDeppSmashedOnCocaine]

They want them to go to homeless shelters so they can make some money

[@renz2k]

That moment when public space is no longer made for the public

[@maryjanedeoferio6790]

What a genuine underrated comment

[@squidwardcommunitycollege173]

Fish

[@BlackoutGootraxian]

@@squidwardcommunitycollege173 fish

[@Carcino.Geneticist]

@@BlackoutGootraxian fish

[@karlklosschen4544]

It's just not made for homeless people.

[@Kovukingsrod]

How about spending money on helping the homeless rather than investing in something that prevents them from having a place to rest?

[@pebbles8735]

I don't think the budgets really match...

[@ethankoh6851]

@@pebbles8735 For example, being homeless in Vegas can result in imprisonment when the money used to run the homeless shelter could've been used to run homeless shelters

[@AlejandroGonzalez-rw9kt]

@@ethankoh6851 to be fair, prisons do work decently enough as homeless shelters.

[@Kommaardoor64]

@@pebbles8735 It probably does. These benches cost cities lots of money. The company that makes them knows the city has money to spend and the people working for the city don't care about spending the money.

[@freezingicy9457]

@@AlejandroGonzalez-rw9kt going to prison only promotes more homelessness since its impossible to find a normal job with a record

[@cherrykid161]

My dad got injured on his leg and he has to travel a lot on the subway and he needs a place to sit and those leaning things are no help.

[@pinkfreud62]

Exactly. I can see the arms on benches being used, but people need a place to sit & rest. I have an old hip replacement & my other hip is getting arthritis after walking awhile & sitting for at least 5 - 10 minutes helps to get me moving again. And I'm sure alot of other people who can still get around, yet have physical issues, need benches to rest as well.

[@maple494]

I was just gonna say "what if you're injured and hqve to sit?" But seems like you were quicker, haha.

[@cherrykid161]

@@maple494 haha😂

[@thatoneguy9582]

Boss Ross “have problems with the subway? don’t go on the subway” “have problems being homeless? don’t be homeless”

[@Axodus]

I should design a foldout object that attaches to the learning bar to allow sitting.

[@blakejohnson2206]

‘Hostile’ is a very good word to describe this planning.

[@rainbowbloom575]

"Hostile architecture" is another way to name this

[@JR-xn6yu]

@@rainbowbloom575 at least give Reddit credit for the phrase.

[@stephenguivara8388]

Ikr

[@thebrainwash]

Not really ..without this you would have way more homeless and drug addicts knocking out on these things

[@blakejohnson2206]

@@thebrainwash Lets shuffle them out of sight where we aren't reminded of society's problems.

[@ProfessorWeird]

homeless people: **exists** government: “go away” homeless people: “where?” government: “not my problem”

[@LoreEclectic]

Homeless: (sleeps on a bench) Gov: No not there

[@Worms_]

Homeless: *sleeps on the sidewalk* Government: not there either

[@jango7889]

back in the day we would lock em up in asylums

[@piccolo917]

@@sontalks they are not even close to sufficient to cover all the homeless. And some people don't want to use those facilities.

[@imran19187]

@@sontalks homeless shelters have criminals and other bad people in them that’s why homeless people can’t go in there

[@swaaggy2194]

Public spaces are not where homeless people should be. Then where tf do they stay?

[@aspol12]

swaaggy In their homes. 🙄

[@ToastyDaEngi]

@@Polavianus j o k e

[@whitetrash8613]

@pooplord96 jj omg that's so wrong in so many leves it's not even funny

[@seafoam8845]

pooplord96 jj If they cant get a job (because they can’t afford good clothing) what do they do?

[@catconfirmed1896]

MelbonLovesToast RANDOM VIDEOS get a job

[@asifiqbal9032]

Why don’t they add small spikes on the floor, just for the fact to make others not “too comfortable” while standing.

[@daisychainsaw]

i think we should add knives suspended in the air, you know, to make sure no one’s standing there for too long and tarnishing the great american image!!!

[@asifiqbal9032]

😂

[@Worms_]

Why don’t we release cyanide into the air? Can’t have people getting to comfortable while they’re breathing.

[@jameslf1233]

What about their comfortability on their temperature?, Lets add a million radiators and lava

[@chanbricks4461]

@@jameslf1233 Oh no, you see that's global warming's job. Didn't you wonder why politicians deny it?

[@tyler5923]

That leaning bar only works for people of a specific height range. If you’re very tall or very short it’ll be uncomfortable. Also it’s barely better than leaning on a wall in the first place

[@raety3941]

Another thing that is comfortable only for adult men.. like car seats weren't enough

[@shawnramito4863]

@@raety3941 what are you trying to imply?

[@raety3941]

@@shawnramito4863 that most of objects are designed for specific part of population, which is adult men🤷‍♀️

[@munfri]

@@raety3941 so what

[@rust3152]

@@munfri sometimes people aren't adult men

[@rajselvaraj4173]

New York: How do we get more homeless people to stop loitering? Normal People: You could lower housing costs.... New York: *_Leaning Bar_*

[@ElizabethPayet]

To be fair to New York, they actually have to make everything so costly because so many people want to go to New York. If they lowered the price to live there, the city would be far too overpopulated. I agree that leaning bars are not the way to go though, I’m sure there are plenty of other solutions that aren’t so hostile as leaning bars

[@phonn6935]

@@ElizabethPayet hmm i dont think overpopulation is a problem right now, the main problem is money

[@Trollypolly975]

How does a state government "lower housing cost" its very easy to assume that anything can be fixed with laws and legislation.

[@freedomsflame688]

@@Trollypolly975 Regulate rents so that property owners can't charge more than x% of the average income in an area, for one? It's painfully expensive to be poor in America, particularly in urban areas. If all of your money has to go to just staying alive, you can never lift yourself out of poverty.

[@Tech-cy9yo]

New York is rich for a reason my guy...

[@udontsubugay86]

The “leaning bar” is the most useless thing I’ve ever seen.

[@ziondoesrandomstuff3906]

We even have some in canada. They are COMPLETELY useless during the winter.

[@dylanjcondron]

Same here. You find it at EVERY train station

[@BoeingOfficial]

ZionGo caNaDA iSnT REAl

[@bobjames994]

Mr Nepe CANADA IS NOT A REAL WORD

[@amdl270]

I saw one in new york after long day of walking and heat dizzyness I tried sitting on it. It's less exhausting just plain standing. The city could have saved that money. I ended up just sitting on the floor to not pass out.

[@ThomasFarquhar2]

The homeless need to be helped, not pushed away

[@house-dq2hz]

Exactly

[@martimfreiredeoliveira2931]

Why they need to help society first because I’m not paying for a person that don’t works for his rest of life

[@StefanReich]

@@martimfreiredeoliveira2931 You fell for the old "work" trick. Also, lots of other things wrong with what you just said. It's the kind of thing that can really come back to bite you because it's so wrong

[@bunni2583]

@@hotdogpepper8410 So do you have an actual source on this or is this just something you've assumed because it fits with your worldview?

[@feddyvonwigglestein3481]

Most homeless are mentally ill.

[@AceofHearth]

"We are sorry that you are uncomfortable, but you have to understand, we have to cause further misery to the destitute and the unfortunate who already don't have home or shelter to protect them from harm ".

[@Connor_312]

Good one

[@cantthinkofnameyeah7249]

Don't have shelters " mean while there's a thing you haven't heard of called homeless shelters.

[@AceofHearth]

@@cantthinkofnameyeah7249 yeah because it's just that easy.

[@cantthinkofnameyeah7249]

@@AceofHearth For most people it really is a simple as going to the shelter and following their rules while you apply for a job. Lots of people give jobs to people trying to get off the street but only the ones that want to get off the street.

[@marcuscheng9413]

This is why we need communism.

[@noneofyourbusiness4159]

My ex step dad's mom kicked him out of the house when he turned 18 to show him what it was like to struggle by himself and not rely on others for shelter and income and he lived on the streets homeless for a while. While he was homeless he said he met a lot of intelligent and interesting people. A majority of whom were addicts of some kind. While others were considered outcasts in society or some who grew tired of living in society and following its norms. I remember one story where he told me that he met a surgeon who gave up his profession because he grew tired of taking part in societies monetary values and materials so decided to become homeless and was happier with the simple lifestyle. While others were like him - kicked out of the house at a young age and had been homeless from a younger age never really getting back into the swing of things. He eventually went back to his moms and took up a trade in mechanics. He is one of the most hard working people I know to this day.

[@killinfantsons3193]

Any parent that kicks their kid out when they turn 18 doesn't deserve kids

[@KhoiV]

@@killinfantsons3193 agree, that's toxic

[@2007ghettonissanaltima]

@@killinfantsons3193 they could at least get them used to it before they yeet them out the door.

[@Mgameing123]

@@2007ghettonissanaltima ye

[@saksham379]

If most of those homeless are on the street out of their own volition, then how can the govt help them? A surgeon in on the street just as non-conforming member of the societ, then what can be said?

[@EllaGP22]

I’ve always needed a bench that I can’t sit on. Thanks leaning bar!

[@yara6824]

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[@EllaGP22]

Yara II-//, ||-//

[@giorkos69]

Speed _ ||-//

[@S0M3THING]

George Slipknot II-//

[@XboxIssues]

@@S0M3THING ||-//

[@zohanrock]

my city put these leaning bars in the subway, but it was made out of smooth aluminium, so you kept slipping off and it took more effort to stay on it than just to stand or lean against an actual wall. there was a public outcry until they finally flattened the top and installed it as a normal bench.

[@sergiontothetop]

Lol

[@Dustyhobo76]

Sure🙄

[@boonxai]

In my city there are leaning bars made out of smooth aluminium and for me they are way more comfortable than benches.

[@XboxIssues]

@@Dustyhobo76 You're pathetic

[@sluggmeister7705]

If I see such uncomfortable irritating benches I’d rather smash the crap out of it Ps: im not homeless

[@vikenemma2953]

I am also way to short for a leaning bar. Kids can't use them. Short people can't use them. Disabled people can't use it.

[@StefyRomania]

They aren't meant to be used.

[@fireworkstarter]

@@StefyRomania its a facade justclike the healthcare. It seems lkke everyone can enjoy them at a glance. But when you take a better look youll see the horrors of the common man

[@The_Blue_Ender]

*leans on wall*

[@mistermegagaming9032]

@@StefyRomania Ahh I see. The leaning bars they made as a substitute for a bench aren't meant to be used. Got it.

[@Hunterkiller667]

I've seen homeless people actually sleeping on these benches with their backs arching over the middle part.

[@sneak1677]

Madlads or madgals yes I made up madgals

[@rust3152]

good thing they can definitely pay for the medical attention their back will need after regularly sleeping like that

[@chibineko6274]

@@sneak1677 madpals?

[@baggyspaggy]

If I wanted a ‘leaning bar’ I could just use the wall inches away

[@robbieaulia6462]

I'd rather sit on a fence than a leaning on a "leaning bar"

[@alrah5978]

@@robbieaulia6462 ill just sit at the floor

[@edgemaxxer1573]

You're pretty much better of squatting on the floor

[@Quartz5005]

And the wall would probably more comfortable than the 'leaning bar'

[@lakojake4215]

@@Quartz5005 It's not.

[@Zakster90]

Another way to be made to feel unwelcome in an already difficult world.

[@dcarroll3686]

Well sed Bro

[@cromb5286]

I agree

[@devin3537]

yepp 😔

[@mach8069]

@@devin3537 boo hoo

[@StreetHierarchy]

That's how they punish you for ending slavery. They want you to consider freedom as a bad thing. After all freedom = worthlessness?

[@zorimanar2247]

If you ever feel useless, just remember that the leaning bar exists.

[@boozecruiser1776]

Yes make public spaces less friendly towards disabled, elderly and pregnant people. Good job NY with your "innovative" city planning!

[@megaascension2748]

Wouldn’t “leaning rails” be a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act?

[@stevengruner4885]

Mega Ascension yeah, its a VIOLATION OF USA LAW AND THE PPL IN THE USA THAT MAKE LEANING RAILS ARE WELL IN THE USA

[@theevauwu7853]

@@stevengruner4885 oh if only America followed any laws

[@luisanariva3484]

No it's not discriminating against them they can use them it's not like they are not allowing them to use them. If this were true building would all need ramps

[@zedisfabulous9761]

@@luisanariva3484 that is, not how that works. It's still discriminatory if disabled people can't access the function, to rest. Idk if the letter of the ADA covers it, but it's still an issue

[@Lanay_]

disabled people ""*which*"" needs wheelchair uses wheelchair, so why do they need a bench?

[@waltrr8984]

It's sad to see that rather than fixing the problem, people only want to make the problem more invisible.

[@1ucasvb]

This is what you get when property > people.

[@aidanwansbrough7495]

It worked for Rio, right...? Just to be clear, I'm being sarcastic - the worst thing we can do is try to hide the problem.

[@1ucasvb]

Pragmatism is usually codeword for "let's not try to fix a systemic issue because we don't want to mess with the system". The mainstream ideologies and corrupt political systems, which are intertwined and co-dependent, are part of that systemic issue. That's nothing but a sunk cost fallacy and good ol' cultural inertia at play.

[@genesisbustamante-durian]

Welcome to 'Murrica.

[@TasX]

What you ignore is that the video says that homeless rates are going down. Attacking the problem from both sides by helping people get out of homelessness and discouraging people from being homeless (it's common among a lot of welfare takers)who interfere with public property, taking property meant to be given to everyone as something they "own," is important. So rather than complaining about a "mean" environment, you can help the quicken the declining homeless rate already in place. Again, how will you help the homeless problem by being against the deterring structures?

[@Lucy-vk1el]

"Instead of housing homeless people, let's make their lives harder"

[@user-uy1rg8td1v]

6 trillion dollars for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan tho. Democracy? More like Militarocracy.

[@CCP-Lies]

I think us is not even feel like first world country more like third world country

[@cantthinkofnameyeah7249]

@@CCP-Lies the more successful a city is the more homeless people there will be only a genius can make a link why that happens. Hmm city's have bundles of money flying all over the place just sit on a intersection and ask for money youll get free money.

[@dariusalexandru9536]

@@cantthinkofnameyeah7249 most of them are begging from neccesity not pleasure

[@peppapigthekiller7539]

Because if a city made housing free for homeless people, I bet you “Homeless” rates would go up.

[@Brandon_Jackson]

We’ve been sleeping on school desks half our lives, an uncomfortable bench won’t stop me now. 🙃

[@Textago]

@@idontcareexe9013 they only made us stronger

[@edgepixel8467]

Let’s go brandon!

[@ediemaepiskor950]

Hope u r well

[@oneone8318]

Obviously you didn´t try sleeping on these.

[@alzhanvoid]

@@oneone8318 Obviously you're a mind reader.

[@raainydaay]

how about using the money that’s being put towards designing these benches FOR HOMELESS SHELTERS

[@feddyvonwigglestein3481]

"Throwing money at a problem always solves it!" Libs.

[@raainydaay]

Feddy von Wigglestein how else are we supposed to tackle homelessness? i certainly don’t think that benches is the way to do it ..

[@arthurduron1009]

Probably a 100 dollars almost nothing

[@raainydaay]

Arthur Duron design, planning, installation, worker compensation ... need i say more??

[@lighthouseinvestments2168]

🙋, we will do it.

[@woody5563]

Why do we put so much money into denying the homeless every single ounce of comfort a simple bench can offer? Surely there is a better way to use that money.

[@denim2697]

Yeah, because solving one of the largest modern-day problems will be so quick that I won’t need to redesign the bench so people can actually sit on them.

[@Maryam-yl2do]

@Good Boy No one hires a homeless person . It's not their fault that they don't have a job . Being homeless is not easy . Nobody likes sleeping in middle of streets and seeing all those people who look at you with disgust and shame . Being homeless is not being lazy . lazy people don't like to starve or sleep outside in the cold . I don't understand why you think that they choose to be homeless . There is no benefit in being homeless .

[@jackiebunting4000]

Because this country is lacking true Christianity. Christ helped the needy. And here we do everything to not help and deny them, looking at them with disdain and selfishness. People here carry the title of Christian but not the character. We need a revival in this country. If we would stop making things political, and would look up to our Redeemer, Christ, who died for us and calls for us to also be self-sacrificing and selfless to others, this country would be much happier and lacking issues.

[@woody5563]

@Good Boy Many homeless people do have an education and are not on drugs. As someone who thinks "feeded" is a word you shouldn't be criticizing someone else's education. And I don't know where you live, but I live in a rural area with many homeless people and no hare Krishna soup kitchens and no Hindu temples for at least a hundred miles.

[@woody5563]

@Good Boy I have educated myself on the topic because it's something I care about. You seem to think the majority of people choose to remain homeless out of laziness or apathy in which case I suggest you educate yourself on the subject as well.

[@Tommydings]

This video could’ve been 5 seconds long. “Because they don’t want homeless people to sleep there”

[@gabrielz6047]

summary: the homeless can't sleep here dont sugarcoat it

[@KusukusuMonster]

It's not "defensive" design. It's unpleasant design.

[@JohnDoe-wx2oo]

TheArmadilloKing Gaming It’s hostile architecture.

[@1tems]

@@JohnDoe-wx2oo It's "Let's spend our money to design this bench to make it uncomfortable for homeless people" engineering

[@ethanb6867]

Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s. If you want to use public spaces, taxation makes it feasible, those services aren’t free. Governments treating the homeless poorly doesn’t justify your strange need to quote dystopian literature and condemn taxes as an institution.

[@THEMIGHTYMF]

@Ca P I was all about it until the Jesus part

[@sushionaram]

I think its more like bad executed idea, harming not ony targeted homeless and people who want use benches to just sit

[@yourlefthandman5889]

This doesn’t feel right, the homeless population already struggles to survive and then they can’t sleep either?

[@sandrajones8245]

Oh wait you didnt realize? The land of the free costs!

[@betaz1000]

One thing u need to remember, those bend are for sit down and go.. not lie down and sleep... That's why it called Public transport.. so everyone can use it..

[@Octavia-nd3br]

@@sandrajones8245 This isn't exactly the "land of the free"

[@sandrajones8245]

@@Octavia-nd3br oh I know! I think that "land of the free" is a facade! It's not free in money and it's not free in liberty. Yes, the USA is more free then some countries, but hardly anything physical is free in the USA. Last bit of extortion I heard about the USA was they have a clean air tax in California! So a person is paying for the air they breathe. Nah the USA is far from the land of free.

[@draycrandall3821]

Ah, yes. People with good politics have finally come in this replies section!

[@remigiuszdarmach4233]

In Poland, in the front of every grocery store is a brench which is olways full of hobos, usually they are pretty nice and you can hire them for small help.

[@robbieaulia6462]

I'll pay those people 10 folds if I live in poland

[@edgemaxxer1573]

That's good to hear

[@GalacticalHistorian]

We should all take a page from Poland

[@jerryzhang5032]

that sounds better than these "leaning bars"

[@jan_Masewin]

THIS

[@mahdyarisadhono1536]

Imagine spending huge amount of money so that people who have no home can’t sleep in a PUBLIC places

[@mikebison9882]

YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO SLEEP IN PUBLIC PLACES THERE IS PLENTY OF HOMELESS SHELTERS IN NEW YORK PEOPLE JUST CHOOSE NOT TO USE THEM .

[@ihazplawe2503]

@@mikebison9882 god sometimes I wonder why some people would choose to live in a dystopian society

[@deanjordan6053]

@@mikebison9882 Homeless shelters are temporary, if you can’t survive off minimum wage after a few months, you’re homeless.

[@rafaeltorres2595]

@@mikebison9882 You clearly never met a homeless person or even had a conversation with one...

[@Alsry1]

@@ihazplawe2503 tbf fictional dystopian societies do seem pretty nice.

[@jai456]

Would u rather a homeless man sleeping on a bench or out the front of ur house or on the sidewalk?

[@COhlen]

I mean if they were always on the sidewalk I would at least give them a pillow and blanket or something.

[@najebudinbinabdkarim8518]

@@COhlen me too

[@sonicfastfoodenjoyer]

If a homeless person on my property I would take them in and get the cleaned up.

[@mrhapp3]

- JWIN neither. I’d rather they get a job and a place to sleep

[@mrhapp3]

- JWIN homeless out front or sidewalk? Hose. Problem solved.

[@alexanderjohnson8333]

As a disabled person I can say that public spaces really aren't that accessible, it's very difficult to navigate the world now I am disabled and it gives me a lot of anxiety

[@yasmina3107]

that is a true shame, all people should be able to roam freely and not have to worry

[@bizzzzzzle]

Dear Alexander Hansen I’m disabled as well, and I don’t feel it’s anyone responsibility to give me somewhere nice to sit.

[@alexanderjohnson8333]

Mike I never said I felt that way either. I’m just saying that the world isn’t that accessible. Just stating how I experience the world.

[@sophiewallis]

Dear Alexander Hansen my sister was disabled and we constantly struggled to find accessible places, especially when we went on holiday. We got a small wheelchair accessible car which was good in car packs but we still found ourselves in a pickle a lot of the time.

[@Axodus]

@Mike I'm sorry you feel that way because I personally feel a city should be accessible to everyone, no matter the issues you face with your body.

[@notyou1178]

I sometimes wonder if security cameras are sometimes decoys in many places to make it appear that we are being watched and deter people from hanging around certain areas for too long.

[@The_Blue_Ender]

You might be onto something

[@coolwalterbennett7805]

Anti homeless benches Because homelessness wasn't painful already

[@robbieaulia6462]

They'll probably invest in "suffering therapy" where the therapist pulls out a glock and say "no more suffering for you sir/mam"

[@phoenixx8963]

This is just people testing me. I *will* figure out a way to sit on a leaning bench Don't underestimate my laziness

[@SplitWasTaken]

The Chaotic Phoenixx I will find a way to sleep on it

[@OnlyMichaelJackson]

samee

[@DinoDays703]

Sit on top if it with your back against the wall.

[@angelic7532]

I actually sat on one before, it was far away from the wall though so that's probably why i could.

[@kennethreyes7859]

Hahahahahahaha

[@gamerkay5791]

Simplified: Prevents homeless people from sleeping on benches.

[@sarcasm1015]

Bbb

[@forman208]

Genius

[@PierceMyGuy]

Mfs more worried about homeless people sleeping on benches then actually trying to help them

[@eligreg99]

I hope we fix this in the near future. These uncomfortable benches affect more than just the homeless population. It affects the elderly, people with disabilities and injuries, pregnant women..etc.

[@UntitledTitle33]

I'll still accomplish falling asleep on them. No place is safe from my naps.

[@chris-hayes]

Komyomyomyom ymyomyom my cat is the same

[@nudeerah]

Yeah

[@edand69others65]

Komyomyomyom ymyomyom also upvoted for the name

[@RoScFan]

Komyomyomyom ymyomyom with a sleeping bag literary anywhere is a place to sleep. Including in the middle of the sidewalk.

[@UntitledTitle33]

The V8 lava too but the things is I won't be able to wake up anymore

[@iceburg3651]

Me: sits and lays on floor City : No no, that’s not how you’re supposed to play the game

[@robbieaulia6462]

@ValinRomania City : place landmines on the sidewalk so no car can park on the sidewalk Also city : "Why is the otomotive industry going down, here?"

[@confetti4798]

@@robbieaulia6462 lol

[@negitivebike3169]

@@robbieaulia6462 why would you park on the sidewalk

@@robbieaulia6462 ​tbf, people who park their cars on the sidewalk need to have their cars exploded anyway.

[@andy.burbulis1899]

HEY you can't sit on a park bench But I'm seventy three and-- There we go! Stand on the... lean bar

[@roryschmidt5776]

Like how there's armrests between every seat in an airport terminal. If I'm the only person in the terminal, and it's 4AM, and my flight leaves at 9, I would greatly appreciate somewhere to get an hour of sleep

[@mikebison9882]

If they didn't have the armrests homeless people would take the seats stopping paying customers from having a place to sit . And would you really be more comfortable on a bench with dozens of homeless people sleeping beside u.

[@roryschmidt5776]

@@mikebison9882 I'm talking about an airport terminal. You have to pay a ticket to get in.

[@mikebison9882]

@@roryschmidt5776 i think its supposed to stop people from lying down so everyone has a place to sit

[@KhoiV]

@@mikebison9882 why are you hate homeless people?

[@kingleonidasiofsparta7966]

@@KhoiV i read his other comments, think he actually hates them. BUT it's true. If we give homeless people all the benches, there wouldn't be place for other people to sit on them.

[@Tokidoki302]

I used to do some urban backpacking across the U.S and some countries. I would often sleep on the ground because the benches had a bar in the middle. From what I have seen, these defensive tactics causes homeless individuals to relocate to concentrated areas such as parks.

[@icreatedanaccountforthis1852]

Do they serve drinks at the leaning bar?

[@emmaplayzz2301]

I Created An Account For This haha hilarious 😂😂😂

[@Ultramega0]

they only sell lean.. ha ha

[@miksuko]

+Emma Playzz you had to use the one and only emoji didn't you

[@WJames-nq2df]

Boooo

[@icreatedanaccountforthis1852]

All Will & Good Are you saying boo or boo-urns?

[@ymeynot0405]

NYC already has a problem with allowing people in wheel chairs from using the subway. Now they want to make it harder for people with canes or asthma? Sometimes people literally just need to sit down to keep from falling down. I'm sure veterans with leg injuries are thrilled with the leaning bar.

[@rohansabharwal8101]

I mean every couple of stops they have elevators to get into the station

[@emilybarron2675]

rohan sabharwal exactly. every few stops. not every stop. disabled people also have specific stops to go to and a stop being inaccessible is a time waster and makes travel more difficult.

[@pablopotato5967]

Did you see how there were also benches and leaning bars

[@blanco7726]

If they did it like they did in my city, the leaning bars are just an addition. The benches still remain.

[@fawnsyy]

THANK YOU (I have asthma)

[@klikkolee]

It's abhorrent to lump these things in with the concept of "defensive design". There is nothing defensive about the leaning bar or the bench-spike. This is palpable, suffocating hostility.

[@blacklicorice7645]

In Disney world, my family went to an attraction on the opposite side of Epcot. When we got there, we were all super tired and exited to sit down. When we were in the area, ALL THERE WERE WERE THOSE FOOKIN LEANING BIT**ES

[@tornagh9200]

so Hobo's don't sleep on them? Just my guess before watching the video.

[@stormyweather7200]

pretty much it

[@waverazor]

FUCKYOURSELF GOOGLE that and to not hang out

[@lawrencemartin8102]

Hobos instead float above it to sleep.

[@bcubed72]

This was really a "Captain Obvious" production.

[@gavinroberts2581]

FUCKYOURSELF GOOGLE same

[@GunturWibowo2010]

*Wait till you see the benches in my country, they got stolen from time to time...lol*

[@garyberger9257]

What country are you from? And please don't say Indonesia

[@GunturWibowo2010]

@gary yes indeed, the wkwkwland

[@Violet-bw3wn]

Lol the windows at the bus stops near me are always smashed

[@thisbitch3602]

over here some are actually locked to the ground as with picnic tables and even trash cans so u cant steal them

[@abadlydrawnsnowman1648]

...

[@everythingthrice2582]

*I was walking on a trail about 3 miles out away from any humans and some of the benches out there were sloped to prevent you from sleeping on them.*

[@ash-]

Leaning bar. Wall: Am I a joke to you?

[@fahbienbagley-jones1743]

The "Leaning Bar" makes my ass hurt just by looking at it.

[@99xara99]

For me it's my feet that hurt... wandering around for hours as a tourist in a big city.. and all you can find on your way "home" is THIS :D

[@TurtleGamers1]

We have those everywhere in my city in Sweden

[@99xara99]

The only place I've seen them so far was in Paris in the metro.

[@mre1004]

It's really a pointless waste of money. I would rather just stay standing than use the leaning bar.

[@alapekuttaja7222]

i guess you got NO ASS!

[@buzhichun]

_"We should take the homeless people and push them somewhere else!"_ - Patrick Star

[@SS-pq9ci]

DOOT DOOT "Under a rock perhaps?" -squidward

[@bronzejourney5784]

+SS19 Underrated comment.

[@airahfuji]

Here's my like..my good man!

[@rais.3817]

Guess what, some people in the states buy the homeless a one way ticket to Hawaii so they won't suffer the extreme climates and can survive more comfortably outdoors here. It's ridiculous and homelessness in Hawaii is a massive epidemic now. Not to mention the cost of living is outrageous here and that's taking a toll on locals and making them homeless here too. It's sad to see this increase in homelessness over the years.

[@jaojao1768]

DOOT DOOT Donald duck

[@definitelymdt]

Homeless people: At least give us a place to sleep. Government: Sleep if you will but not in my "public" benches.

[@cattoleonce4066]

"Numbers of homeless people has been declining" Covid 19 : allow us to introduce ourselves

[@Nina-mk5qy]

I wouldn’t know since I never leave my house

[@allysonboubert]

lol same here

[@jamescarter317]

Lily. Me too, crowded places puts me on the edge.

[@vickiefinney6073]

Lily I don't like leaving either. This world is full of crazy people that are ready to explode at the drop of a hat. Scares me being in public places. But I have 2 small children, so I have no choice but have to go out. I just try being as careful as I can. God help us

[@vickiefinney6073]

James Carter me too. I learned to shop late night to avoid the crowds. I could stay home everyday all day and it wouldn't bother me at all. I actually like being home. God bless

[@mlady747]

Wow you’re so relatable 🙄

[@medical3031]

There’s a massage chair in my local mall that moves one of the massaging parts up into an uncomfortable position if someone who hasn’t payed to use it sits on it long enough.

[@amberhawksong]

lmao

[@kn00tcn]

that's just the ergonomic position of year 2219

[@igorvuk4454]

The free market provides

[@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa]

TBH that's a nice compromise.

[@MackHendrix14]

There’s some massage chairs at my mall that start beeping like crazy to embarrass the person sitting in it who didn’t pay LOL

[@kiwipinkie1182]

Hey you, no need to continue watching, it’s so homeless People can’t sleep on it

[@coagulatedsalts4711]

imagine hating homeless people so much you spend money to hurt them rather than help them

[@kevinnguyen552]

That’s just messed up!

[@damienwayne2347]

This question and "why cartoon characters wear gloves" were keeping me up at night Thanks vox for finally giving me closure

[@rachitabahmani3938]

Damien Wayne They wear gloves because at the time animators had to put a lot of effort on the whole character so they just put gloves for hands to speed up the animation process then after a time it became a part of the characters so try left them

[@juicicle5171]

Rachita Bahmani I think you missed the point?

[@gianpags2]

Rachita Bahmani ... lol

[@gianpags2]

smdh ppl.

[@psychedelicjungle6966]

yes its pretty much what the previous dude said, its hard to see a dark hand against a dark backdrop in the typical black and white cartoons so they put the white gloves on them so you can see them, it also made animal characters look more "human-like"

[@chantalbellmont6937]

As a disabled person, I NEED places to sit when I go out. It is already difficult enough to go outside while having to spend so much of my mental energy planning out where I can retreat to to take a rest when I need it.

[@sleepstation7443]

Ikr it’s just messed up

[@fatimahbinhalimah3033]

how about using a motorised wheelchair? that way you are seated wherever you go?

[@bt3743]

@@fatimahbinhalimah3033 that's if they can even afford it

[@Laybaysb]

@@fatimahbinhalimah3033 money? talk like everyone a millionaire

[@buttholethebarbarian8248]

Government: Stay home then, you're just a number with a limited lifespan. Won't be my problem in the long run.

[@brianawong312]

I've always thought that the little armrests were for people to sit together and apart at the same time, instead of preventing you from laying down. I've believed that since childhood, and that doesn't really make sense now that I think about it.

[@torernning8652]

Actually asked myself this very question to day, here in Norway. So, thanks.

[@storytime2978]

I use to be homeless and these bars did prevent me from sleeping. Its a sad world we live in but if you try to kill yourself and end up in the hospital they ask why you did it and tell you you have more to live for. Easier said then done.

[@LIscariot]

Even better when you're homeless, attempt suicide, and then get saddled with tens of thousands of hospital bills if you fail. Y'know, cuz I already had *tons* of money before. Certainly not pushing me to try again or anything.

[@astroxvoid2078]

I’d rather have the uncomfortable benches then dirty homeless people laying on them. If you really need a place to sleep, don’t choose the public. Friends or homeless shelters are always options.

[@astroxvoid2078]

Get a job, start fresh, there’s no reason to take your own life.

[@LIscariot]

@@astroxvoid2078 Damn ur a genius u solved poverty congrats hope u enjoy the nobel prize

[@astroxvoid2078]

HotChocletyLez I don’t need your worthless comments to emphasize news I already knew.

[@inificiell]

This is one hell of a random recommendation yet i’m extremely satisified

[@erkki6224]

I mean how is it random

[@imalrockme]

Yeah, came to me as I searched and watched videos about whiplash ( the movie ) :)

[@hotdogman7442]

New York: Hey, we have sooo maaanyyy homeless people and not enough homeless shelters so they sleep on the benches! Architect: Ah I see, so where are we building the shelter? New york: Shelter? What shelter? I need you to make them not be able to sleep on the benches Architect: Oh..

[@IDesireToUpliftOthers]

I loved the part where nyc said it’s hostile architecturing time and hostile architectured all over the place! Truly one of the anti homeless designs of all time!

[@stevenaltos8821]

truly inspiring.

[@saberz6749]

With all this money they spend thinking about how to stop the homeless from being there they could of just helped the damn homeless 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@yourmomsbannana9333]

Saberz preach!

[@kid_muffins5338]

That's not how our economy works.

[@clarknarvas]

Ha ha How can they work if they don't have a house and any way to contact people?

[@tubebility]

+Saberz _"With all this money they spend thinking about how to stop the homeless from being there they could of just helped the damn homeless"_ That would be... too humane.

[@L._.A-06]

But this is capitalist society “we no pay you till you pay us” is a very good ground rule

[@marbles4442]

Anythings comfortable if your lazy or not caring enough

[@AAhmou]

That's the problem.

[@davidschwartz2144]

A. Ahmou exactly.

[@user-ox4bv3it4i]

Vaal Hazak yup I slept while having my head up once like while siting. Also if I can’t sleep on a bench then I will just sleep in doorways, floors, and well anything I can lean on

[@krisizcelja]

Vaal Hazak you forgot the 're. That's laziness by its finest

[@tapwater424]

I get that you're joking and all, but you simply cannot sleep on one of these benches without some serious stiffness and pain the next morning.

[@sneak1677]

Man let the homeless sleep, there's no reason to do this to them

[@tanelihotanen3394]

Here in Finland we actually build the public space for the homeless. No armrests or dividers on benches. You even get to rest on a bench that is tilted backwards a little bit so you don't fall on the ground from the bench. Inside spaces like shopping malls even provide free power outlets for use, and free toilets are everywhere. You get to use them as you wish, if you don't disturb other people. If you make noise or smell very bad, guards come and tell you to leave. This only happens with the inside public space. Outside you can do whatever you want. Sleeping in the inside is generally not possible in The inside public spaces like malls or libraries but you can rest and no one questions your needs or tells you to buy something for and example. But Winters are long and cold for The homeless anyway. Warm country, cold climate.

[@totesfleisch258]

Its so sad that cities build benches designed to prevent homeless people to have a place to sleep.

[@justin-xh9qd]

Totesfleisch it’s so people don’t hog them, it’s sad but this is reality

[@smolduck1425]

ew imagine people sleeping on public benches that was meant for sitting down only for a while

[@smolduck1425]

MaxMouse yes thank you

[@lampoilropebombs0640]

MaxMouse I want to see that. Meaning the society at least didn’t hinder the conditions.

[@Axodus]

@MaxMouse Wow we GOTTA prevent that! That's a totally end of the world scenario, let's just give up a ton of quality of life of people with leg problems just to get rid of the awkward situation of having to sit next to someone else who's sleeping for a couple minutes!!

[@geokramer1711]

It is a shame, how Urban planning, a discipline that affects all of our lives, is often so forgotten. Which is why I am so thankful, that Vox regularly showcases the best and the worst of it, as is with many other issues to do with modern life.

[@rkaytkt]

I'm sorry but that is Urban design and not urban planning.

[@chris-hayes]

Well that's a narrow view of the US, not unusual though

[@sn0tkore]

Good urban design should go unnoticed. It should be so easy and comfortable to use that it is largely ignored.

[@coreycox2345]

As a planner, I believed that the city belongs to everyone. After facilitating the siting of some homeless shelters, I learned that it is the neighbours who adamantly don't want them around. It was the politics of the squeaky wheel. We sometimes ended up putting them in industrial districts. This was not ideal for the homeless.

[@3.6roentgen61]

I seriously don't understand how you consider this an "issue"?

[@caffeecup5319]

If they would add "leaning bars" to a SUBWAY STATION, they they might as well replace the seats in the subway with leaning bars

[@foxja1]

DONT GIVE THEM IDEAS

[@idkwhatnametochoose6197]

Vox: Why cities are full of uncomfortable benches What I See: Why cities are full of my suffering

[@blazingazong]

Why waste designing money on a leaning bar CANT PEOPLE JUST LEAN ON THE WALL

[@narusasu7279]

Elijah Jarrell that's true 😂

[@bravelit4378]

Elijah Jarrell Yes

[@ash_17406]

It's more comfortable than the wall because it provides more support (but the more you lean on it the more uncomfortable it gets). We have them in metro system in Melbourne. They're just enough to give you a rest while you wait for the train. But platforms here also have a mix of benches and leaning bars.

[@vibetolovenpiss]

Why don't you sit on the benches? Do you want pay more taxes for stand up and leaning bars?

[@malinskiii]

right! And I cant even use leaning bars cuz im too short.

[@JCstone1000]

those "leaning bars" are quite irritating, we have them scattered around the UK. It's tough for people like my Grandma, who travel by train. She's got used to carrying around walking stick that turns into a stool, but it's not really ideal :/

[@vharmi.]

JCstone1000 I don't even get how they're supposed to help with anything. They're in the way between me and the wall, and just makes it harder for me to lean against it.

[@mahammad]

3:30 woah woah woah that train design looks exactly like what Transport for London will use on the Piccadilly Line tube line

[@albertol9654]

They dont want you chilling there or sleeping there.. Just for decoration. Like fast food places being extremely cold.

[@mksabourinable]

My disabilities means that my joints get sore if I'm standing for too long. It means that I get tired easily. So errands are already pretty difficult for me, just because of the having to be up and walking for so long. Without proper benches I can take a break on if I need it.... I'd be even _more_ stuck at home. It's bad enough on rainy days, because all of the benches are soaked, making them unusable. Honestly that leaning bar is ridiculous. Wtf is the point of that?? People can already lean on the wall if they want to!! Also like... it assumes everyone is a certain height. What about short people? What about tall people?? It removes wall leaning space from them while being unusable for them because they can't reach it or they'd have to bend down awkwardly in a position that's more of a work out than a rest. What a waste of money.

[@Meraxes6]

Yeah that bar would probably be at my lower back. Super comfortable

[@elfstarlight]

Additionally the amount of designs that are made for the average/larger sized male making a large portion of the population unable to properly use said designs. (Eg. I am a smallish woman and there is those godawful leaning bars at my bus stop so when it is busy and i have to line up for the bus i am forced to use it except for that it presses directly into my back, or parking in a parking complex and having to press the button to receive the parking ticket and i cannot reach out of my car window bc of my shortish arms). the amount of people they make uncomfortable (disabled, old, pregnant or just plain tired or a tiny bit sick) with large amounts of money and creativity should go into looking after the homeless and making skate parks or whatever. Calm down and let people live and provide a seat!!!

[@OriginalOmgCow]

elfstarlight Larger sized male? You mean tall people right?

[@darby1220]

Ramdom Guy That's the point. The wall is already there, so this "bench" is a waste of money on the city's part.

[@MrArthoz]

I understand your pain....I have something similar. Sometimes public space are so crowded, sitting space is not available. I just get used to carry a small foldable chair to sit when needed. At work site I even got my own foldable deck chair for short naps during break hour. In the end public space is just a convenience that is never enough for others....we just have to make ourselves comfortable. Imagine sitting on a deck chair leaning back and chill out while waiting for the intercity train....I even plan to buy a wheelchair with a motor engine and use walking stick when I'm retired. Not disabled but when you are old, walking stick and wheelchair makes shopping really fun and very comfortable. Hey not abusing people kindness....I have onset of early arthritis. Comfort will make me stay healthy till my old age. Sort of a way to prevent disability. Is that a crime?

[@annate4347]

I live in Rome and the introduction of these benches has been slow, but the few that have been replaced with these are a nightmare. Public transport here entails such long wait times, so now I have to wait half an hour for the train while on my feet before waiting another eternity for the bus, where there never were any benches to begin with. In my experience there was never a big problem here with homeless people sleeping on these benches during actual business hours, they used them mainly when no one else was around to need them. Now they are forced to sleep on the floor. Doesn't make the city safer and definitely does not solve the homeless problem.

[@GABRIEL03698]

Devastante

[@ashleycarr9958]

We've had similar to the "leaning bar" benches in the uk (At least, from the local transport system in my area) in the bus stops, and they are literally terrible, and you almost can't even "lean" on them, because the arm rests are so close together.

[@fabiandoe6132]

Again: The bench is the first urban furniture accessible to the homeless. This is why some municipalities make it impossible to sleep on them. I remember old benches in Paris that surrounded old plane trees. And little by little, the bark of the plane trees ended up swallowing up the metal backrest of the bench. It would be interesting to do a report on that. Answer please!

[@alexbaraniak8441]

I have leg issues. Sometimes I like to sit. f**k off leaning bench!

[@psychocuzwhynot642]

Alex Baraniak U is a Asian

[@TraceLight]

Alex Baraniak do quick mafs

[@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842]

They literally have normal bench in the 10 ft. distance in one the shots, so not a biggest problem on that account.

[@Zanybandz123]

No offense. But if you have a leg issue where you need to sit for a while, you most likely wont be walking all around.

[@donatodiniccolodibettobardi842]

Zanybandz Yeah, it's not like circumstances completely outside of your control can force you to go out on your two(?) when you're hurt or have some serious leg condition despite your best efforts to avoid it. That's just nonsense! ;p

[@EpicNinja65]

the cinematography goes so well with whatever the narrator is saying. Great video guys

[@Honestry_]

DID VOX FINALLY READ THEIR COMMENT SECTION LOL

[@paulgarcia7084]

FlyingKarp .......y

[@paulgarcia7084]

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[@paulgarcia7084]

Edwin Robinson II The Hunger Room wryopsfjllC y y me l bo. vy

[@paulgarcia7084]

Hola guapa juego, veto y la verdad otra yo me atuoafhk vtvyvb

[@slav2284]

I noticed this first time in my small town in Scandinavia around 2015. We have no homeless people here, but some weekends few people would sleep on the benches at the station waiting for the trains next morning and it's not even an issue but they spent 100.000s on replacing them lol

[@kirke148]

Even airports (where people cant get in without having a ticket), have the most uncomfortable chairs

[@Isthecakereallyalie]

Ah yes, designs against homeless people.

[@kyle7574]

Ahh yeah prevent Crime

[@SquidCena]

64786 Lamar ?

[@gabrielgonzalezc1037]

Sir, lets anslyse. How many employed, productive people there are in NY at any given moment? How many homeless people there are? Now yo get the idea of who are the authorities supposed to serve.

[@Buts2beslaped]

And yet helping homeless people is Illegal In some states...smh

[@nomnom3451]

Crime Prevention

[@larissab5750]

When I saw the leaning bar I thought of my grandpa and how he gets so tired on a walk he needs to sit. Think of the old people! 👴🏼👵🏼💕

[@indiciaobscure]

For people in the boroughs it usually means two hours of traveling to get to manhattan and back again. For the elderly and disabled this is really, really difficult without a place to sit. Also, poorer people don't have as many resources in their neighborhoods so carry more bags with them. This harms a lot of people.

[@user-id8ih]

Yo Gurl that’s.what.benches.are.for.

[@Pugetwitch]

Yo Gurl yup, same for my father who is disabled. :(

[@rayir.1382]

That's why benches are still there, Usually you give your seat to the ones in need and just use the leaning bar.

[@capncake8837]

I was trying to figure out how to sit on the leaning bar before I saw the name. I’m now remembering those benches in San Francisco that have seats that turn over when they’re not being used. Man, I always hated those.

[@peterhagan8454]

i was amazed when i went to liverpool citry centre with my disabled wife and the lack there of number of benches to sit this explains it all what a remarkably tolerant people city councillors are

[@sabinahertzum9728]

I don’t get why urban planning isn’t planning for the people who live in the space - if homeless people are a problem, why not design a space for them to go - shelters are, as vox states, not always a viable solution - why not make multiple solutions that don’t interfere with other things... like set aside a small section of a park for a shelter with cubicles that are usable at night only... it boggles the mind that a problem that is so big in the scope of things only gets tackled by trying to prevent the people it involves from using a public space.... why not make it a priority to get the homeless somewhere to go - somewhere where they are not in the way.... we always see alleys with cardboard homes in the movies - if that’s a true representation, then why not make some movable shelters that are big enough to sleep in, for one or two people ( some people have dogs too)... it could be metal, plastic or even fiberglass - if they are a permanent fixture and out of the way, then it would solve a lot of issues... maybe it would create others, but that’s for others to puzzle out - I just think it would be better for homeless people to have a space to go, where they are welcome and on their own terms...

[@givememore4free]

In New York, you have to PROVE that you have no where to live. They would not just take you in. Also, you have to be on some type of gov. program like Welfare. The shelter even takes money from the welfare and you actually get less money from that too. And in New York you have to work for Welfare. They don't just hand you a check. Some people are on disability and the shelter takes it's share of your check on that too. Sure they feed you, but the food is similar to Alpo. Sure, they give you a bed (uncomfortable), sure they give you a shower, it is gross and no shower curtains and people can watch you bathe. Also, there is only a certain amount of times that you can apply for shelter. By the way I was HOMELESS in New York. And I could see why people actually live in the street. Sometimes it really is not by choice.

[@givememore4free]

You also came up with making a space only usable for a night only???? That would not work because that would just invite homeless people to stay there permanently.

[@givememore4free]

Make movable options for homeless people???? Cardboard boxes for homeless people??? Yeah, they do that already. Why would the state pay for boxes. HAHAHAA

[@sabinahertzum9728]

givememore4free -givememore4free - if you took the time to read my comment to the end instead of just writing of the top of your head you might see the following - I suggested places OUTSIDE of shelters especially for those for whom shelters are not an option... if a space was made available by night only and was closed off from dawn to dusk - then yeah, some would make it a ‘home’ but if we are talking about a cubicle that’s about 2x2 meters and maybe 1m high - and make it into ‘bunk bed’ type spaces with 3 high on each side of a walkway - then they would have a space to keep their things safe in that timeframe... that way they might be able to get a job... just might... And my movable box idea was actually NOT cardboard - I suggested metal, plastic or fiberglass for that.... my point was the same as the dedicated space, but just flexible in the way that they could be set up or moved to more appropriate locations... I do know homelessness is not a choice - throughout my adult life I have had multiple friends living with me for a time because they had no other choice!! So instead of laughing and putting down my comment - why don’t you tell me what you would do instead... what would help homeless people who do not fit in to the system as is??? And as for why the state or city should care - I think that’s obvious - if the homeless has places to go, they would not sleep on benches and the need for defensive architecture would not be as great, and they could make more of an effort to design spaces for commuters and disabled...

[@givememore4free]

Unlike you, I WAS HOMELESS and I live in New York. Your "SOLUTION" is not a good option. Parks ARE CLOSED AFTER DARK in New York. Making a cubical space for "temporary shelter" is a bad idea because it would just make it PERMANENT for homeless and they will set up their lives in that area. We could bash out the same BAD IDEAS that you came out with all day but at the end of the day you don't know that much. BYE FELICIA. So, easy to come up with solutions when you never have been homeless and most likely are now enjoying a Starbucks coffee while typing your comments.

[@thizzfox]

So apparently having no place to go is "crime"

[@Katt1n]

Thizz Fox If i break into your house and sleep on your couch, because im homeless, my crime is not that i dont have anywhere to go, my crime is that i am trespassing. Stop strawmanning people, its dishonest and cowardly.

[@pwn3dname]

Yes. The criminalization of poverty is a real phenomenon. And it's shameful.

[@pinkyless]

Thizz Fox Ever heard of a homeless shelter?

[@augustinedaudu9203]

Katt1N you really strawman his argument. If a person does not have a place to sleep, should they now be put in prison for not having a place to sleep? If you've your example suddenly became homeless, would you want to be put in prison because the government doesn't want you to be in a public space, that's public

[@pinkyless]

Augustine Daudud There's a difference between being homeless is committing a crime and the city trying to prevent homeless people from sleeping on their benches. Homeless people don't pay taxes so why should they benefit from government funded seating?

[@MachineWashable101]

I’ve seen some of these in Nashville, it’s kinda funny how uncomfortable they are whenever you’re simply trying to sit down on it, might aswell just make a normal bench

[@artepjan]

That's not defensive design, that's just being silently mean.