Why Clone Commando's were USELESS in Actual Battles

[@scarface1138]

Moral of the story: never waste commandos as regular line infantry.

[@eshaanjain9379]

Mace windu I didn't heard that

[@davidgoodenough6450]

"This was a work for infantry not spec ops" - Fi (RC 1309),

[@ArtjomKoslow]

Thats happening more than we think in our Militaries. Special Forces getting into Stuff they are more than capable to do but its a waste of Potential as those Jobs could have been done by normal or specialisied Infantry. CQC- They can do that. But why they should? You got Light Infantry Units for that. Long Range Surveillance? No Problem. But why not send Scouts who are even more trained in that Field of Operation. The Times were you needed to be a Jack of all Traits in the Military are gone. Everyone and everything is specialisied and can become an Expert in his/her specific Field.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Unless it's desperate situations, of course.

[@Jfk2Mr]

@@ArtjomKoslow I wouldn't say that time for special forces is gone, though I partially agree with you - sure, specialists like scouts will do as good job (if not better) as specials when it comes to recon, but on the other hand specials being versatile enough and in most cases having the most strategic mobility are incredible asset

[@piercepayumo4212]

Makes sense. Despite being considered 'superior' to their clone brothers, they were born and bread for infiltration and sabatoge behind enemy line. Essentially they were either a Special Operations Unit or Black Ops.

[@geetslys]

Right, you don't waste your spies and infiltrators on the front lines!

[@pyeitme508]

@@geetslys agree

[@crocowithaglocko5876]

agreed

[@amanzeihedioha]

@@geetslys Separatists: Oh no. By all means please send them. Why would we want to test a new bio weaponry all of sudden?

[@demi-femme4821]

I mean, Solid Snake is an amazing soldier, but nobody in their right mind would just drop Snake onto a battlefield.

[@klidthelid8361]

Next on gheetslys: Why Aqua droids are useless in a space battle

[@tylerjones7592]

Next video is why vulture droids are useless in water

[@willleung6032]

lol

[@ebonkinght]

@@tylerjones7592 Or Why 21st Nova Corps wasn't used in the battle of Mon Cala

[@sonicicecream8159]

Next video: why buzz droids don’t make a good infantry army

[@void335]

@@sonicicecream8159 bruh I’m not sure why there so op

[@Promy091]

ARC Troopers: Now this looks like a job for me.

[@blazeomatic9714]

So everybody, just follow mee!

[@eternalrainbowz2783]

@@blazeomatic9714 cause we need a little controversy

[@blazeomatic9714]

@@eternalrainbowz2783 Cuz it feels so empty without me!

[@CollinMcLean]

@@blazeomatic9714 I'm so glad this is what the comment thread became...

[@Dante.D.B.]

_"Guess who's back, back again"_

[@hunterkiller1440]

I've slways thought they were the black ops for covert missions.

[@gavins.9254]

They mainly are

[@milobalcziunas8321]

So I would say their usefulness in full scale combat is meaningless

[@highadmiraljt5853]

They are, atleast in the gamed

[@rexdelta3367]

Thats actually their purpose they were elite special forces, they were never meant to be frontline soldiers though; but 1 v 1 standalone I think they could kill a arc trooper because they were used to close single combat.

[@rexdelta3367]

@@highadmiraljt5853 Both ways they were, they were never made for the battlefield combat; only close quarter combat.

[@ryanmann1416]

Honestly when I heard that half of the Clone Commandos were slaughtered on Genonsis, I was shocked, but knowing it was because of the Jedi and inability to get with the times only made it more infuriating

[@CollinMcLean]

I mean... forget about it being the jedi... We're talking about an entire military force that was produced in secret and then just handed off to them at the last minute with no explanation or orientation... I doubt anyone would've known how to properly utilize them if they were in a similar position...

[@ryanmann1416]

@@CollinMcLean but wouldn’t Clone Commanders or even the Kaminoians would at-least tell Yoda how to use them, cause I bet there was time to know when they loaded the clone troopers and flew to Genosis

[@CollinMcLean]

@@ryanmann1416 Again it's a massive army they were given control of at the last minute. If you were to put a group of Shaolin Monks in charge of the entire US military with only hours before a major battle, how well do you think they'd utilize the Army infantry, Marine Corps, SEALS, SWCC, and Green Berets?

[@ryanmann1416]

@@CollinMcLean fair enough I guess

[@frostburn6784]

Yoda was an incompetent tactician so for him to deploy commandos on the front line was the worst decision although after the battle of genosis they could’ve easily course corrected & changed the training program if they needed to work with infantry as a group if they can’t get behind enemy lines to sabotage atm

[@kharjoIII]

Imagine Being Specially Trained For Stealth And Sabotage, But A Random Monk Swinging A Glow Stick Send You Head On As Cannon Fodder.

[@frostburn6784]

I don’t blame them having resentment for the jedis incompetence imagine if Thrawn was there I wonder how he would’ve went about it

[@kharjoIII]

@@frostburn6784 Have The CCs Attack Vital Targets While Clone Troopers Would Use More Human Tactics (Like Ambushes, Taking Cover, Tactically Traversing The Battlefield) Instead Of Walking Into Gunfire Like The "Wise Monks" Insisted

[@CoolMyron]

Got to remember the Jedi of this era were not battle-hardened like the Old Republics Jedi. As far as we know they could have had no war in that huge gap of time. I would be surprised if they know how to use this army. It's not like they had a choice either. Mr Palps would have shamed them for not joining the war, further making the jedi look like fools. Win/Win for Mr Palps.

[@kharjoIII]

@@CoolMyron True, But Sadly The Clones Wouldn't Have Known This. Really Good Point Tho Mate.

[@CoolMyron]

@@kharjoIII yet another lie by Palatine. This man had layers upon layers on his plans. No matter which way the war ended the jedi would end up dead.

[@Jedi_Spartan]

And this is why your battle plan shouldn't just consist of spamming the "All Units!" button and hoping for the best like the Jedi did in the Battle of Geonosis... or like how Krell fought most battles.

[@silverfoxdelta290]

that was me when i first started playing company of heroes and games like it

[@thereaper9258]

Actually I did that in Halo Wars and it worked out fine more than half the time.

[@Jedi_Spartan]

@@thereaper9258 that's also my default strategy... unfortunately I'm not good at turtling so it doesn't always work out.

[@frostburn6784]

Yeah Krell made my blood boil for his incompetence like even if there was booby traps not on the road it would’ve been worth a shot than going on the man road where they expect you to fade in like KK lol

[@tayduatrinhcoi]

Krell fucked shit up on purpose though

[@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681]

I read a memoir of an actual highly decorated commando, and having to fight alongside a mechanised infantry unit in Iraq, he wrote that he felt confused by all that combined arms chaos going around him, didnt know what was happening and where to shoot unless someone told him. He didnt even understand all the commands, and he just mostly concentrated keeping his head down. Meanwhile they did some amazing recon and bodyguard missions worthy of a movie.

[@bennynguyen176]

I read on Jocko Willink's Extreme Ownership that each branch can have very different set of commands, so he had to make doubly sure that his SEALs and army commanders are on the same during collaborated missions. Also, what is that book that you mention? Now I want to read it.

[@RehnanCT-]

“Everywhere I looked I saw men… brothers dying all around me, getting blasted, blown up or even melted away by Spider droids.I didn’t know what to do- the simulations never trained me for a mass assault but to cut a few important enemy nerves so the mass charge would be easier for the infantry.I couldn’t just keep my head down so I grabbed my rifle and fired at anything that wasn’t white or had six mechanical legs I survived… but my squad weren’t so fortunate. They died in the sand and nobody but me batted an eye. RC- 5126 Blazer recollecting his experience on geonosis to interviewer in 9BBY

[@axelw7323]

@@RehnanCT- I shot anything that wasn’t white- American policemen

[@michaelcrawford3663]

@@axelw7323 even the black ones ?

[@Browninthadesert]

@@RehnanCT- damn that actually made me sad to read :/

[@kaimagnus5760]

Windu: All of my Commandos were slaughtered. What the heck happened? Obi-Wan: Maybe they weren't all they were cracked up to be? Tarken: *Facepalm* You put Black Ops squads on THE FRONT LINES!! Idiots!

[@Karlos1234ify]

Accurate

[@noodles7193]

this is why order 66 was necessary

[@michaelandreipalon359]

No wonder Tarkin hated the Jedi...

[@jayvhoncalma3458]

@@michaelandreipalon359 they were half-ass mineded commanders but Ozzel was worst

[@idkdizz22]

@@michaelandreipalon359 he respected anakin and obi-wan for their adaptability on the battlefield although not always liking their irrational last seconds decisions

[@chuckfinley4258]

Are we just going to ignore the fact that the Commandos are using UNSC weapons @2:11

[@RestrictedHades]

and spartan armor

[@andruw913]

Wtf?

[@kryvex4996]

I was considering commenting the same thing but I finally found someone else who noticed

[@FilipGamer-ni8oe]

I like it, ngl

[@FilipGamer-ni8oe]

@Fem Boy I'll take this compliment Thanks...I guess?

[@lukedragan7859]

Just watching this makes me want to play the republic commando game again

[@jamesrso]

Omg same

[@lukedragan7859]

@@jamesrso that game was amazing, especially for a game released in 05

[@stockpin]

RIP Sev

[@lukedragan7859]

​@@stockpin Nu kyr'adyc, shi taab'echaaj'la. Also he's not dead just MIA they were gonna make a squeal with him were he helped start the rebellion but they canceled it for some reason.

[@jamesrso]

@@lukedragan7859 I first watched a guy called Kryo play them on KZbin and was so hooked that by the second episode I just had to go get it and play it myself.

[@dblczx6819]

"...these made them formidable in combat, for sure, but they were not invincible." _Anyone_ who's played Star Wars: Republic Commando, especially on hard mode, knows this to be the absolute truth. That game is BRUTAL.

[@dblczx6819]

@Robert Allan It's a good thing those Supers were also stupid... and slow. They preferred to hold ground, letting you get behind cover and chip them out, or gang up on them and shred them. Also, EMP grenades nullified their defenses. That said, you can still feel how irritating they were when they showed up in droves...

[@akdeleS4]

I literally had to switch to easy on Geonosis, where you have to break some terminal and go pass through, because there were two B2 superdroids and my whole squad was low on health

[@samuelchung1150]

I just finished a playthrough of Republic Commando on easy mode. I had to restart some parts of missions (especially the bridge destruction mission) because the mission essentially became a pitched battle with little cover where the boys would be fighting several super battle droids and would end up all down. This is why commandos are no good at front line fights. Better to have an ARC trooper rappel in and provide cover and a unique advantage.

[@Kirito-ts9gk]

@@samuelchung1150 I manage to beat them on hard mode on that mission... omg it took so friken long.

[@tatotaytoman5934]

fucking flying geonosians

[@mrhatman1108]

Having Jedi act as generals is like politicians as generals

[@RCC1553]

No even worse, more like Catholic priest with a crusader type mentality leading modern US forces in the middle east

[@CoolMyron]

that was the point. Mr Palps is good at what he does XD

[@ebonkinght]

@@RCC1553 Pretty much monks leading an army

[@sonicicecream8159]

@@ebonkinght monks with laser swords, only reason they didn’t die so early on

[@johannguchte7537]

As George Lucas said, the Jedi were not meant for war, and Palpatine essentially drafted them into the Clone Wars. It was all part of the plane. But in the name of guarding the Republic, the Jedi resigned themselves to their role.

[@aronsmith3417]

So that's why only 4 commanders can be used at once in EA's battlefront.

[@zerochaotics1135]

If you wanna think about it this way, commando teams are always in groups of four, thus the commandos in ea battlefront are a single team.

[@aronsmith3417]

@@zerochaotics1135 assuming the games squad system pairs you with the other 3 lol

[@alex310861]

its kinda annoying that in that game commandos are an "enforcer" type unit and arc troopers are "infiltrators". Should be other way around

[@zerochaotics1135]

@@aronsmith3417 fair

[@zerochaotics1135]

@@alex310861 now that I fully support

[@inquisitorgarza312]

The Clone Commandos are the scalpel to the Grand Army of the Republic Hammer, and they were meant to strike fast and hard on singular objectives and targets. Not to mention the loss of even a single Commando is destructive to squad fitness.

[@welkingunther5417]

In short: It's because they're meant for sabotage behind enemy lines and missions like that, not meant for front line duty at all.

[@duskburn]

Sev, ticking off Geonosian kills:"...four thousand nine hundred seventy one, four thousand nine hundred seventy, four thousand nine hundred sixty nine....yeah, Geonosis. What a waste of good genes..."

[@chengzhou8711]

“From my perspective on the battle Geonosis, I had no idea that those guys were being so misused. Back then, we had the easy job, guard the mobile artillery. I wasn’t thinking about the commandos, I was sure they were doing something important, but when I actually read the battle report years later, it was quite staggering how terribly unprepared we were for that battle. If I knew about the problems we were going to face beforehand and I were in charge of the order of battle, those commandos would all be assigned to support, and the rest would deal with the large droid and arms factories and AA encampments. I would’ve make a collective effort to destroy the infrastructure and giant subterranean factories, although this is knowing what we know now, and my preferred method of orbital bombardment could possibly render the planet devastated for decades. Still, If somebody could make it work, the clone army could.” -CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion

[@achintyadutta1972]

Last time I was this early, Sebulba was still podracing

[@annuitcptis1447]

;-; kinda liked him. I thought he might be force sensitive

[@akechiv1855]

Jedi: Deploy all the commandos Recommendations and Kaminoans: They are not fit for head on battles Commandos: *Die* Jedi: *Pikachu face*

[@2Based23]

Kind of inacurate really, the jedi saw the commandos as basically arc troopers or supersoldiers which was an easy mistake to make considering the jedi were not generals and most importantly had an entire army just dropped on their doorstep with no warning and with no knowledge of how the army was divided or how different branches were supposed to fight.

[@CollinMcLean]

​@@2Based23 Yeah exactly. You give a group of people command of an army of hundreds of thousands of soldiers with little to no explanation or orientation about the specifics, you can't really expect them to command them that well.

[@YeeterzYT6259]

Ah yes pikachu face, a classic

[@koolaidjammer1647]

The battle of Geonosis always reminds me how bad the jedi were in war...

[@kaimagnus5760]

Honestly, if it weren't for Palpatine rigging the war to start with, I'd have never put the Jedi in charge of The GAR. I'd have kept them in reserve as advisors or deploy them specifically to counter other force or lightsaber wielders.

[@LAV-III]

@@kaimagnus5760 I honestly would put them in a special forces role

[@frostburn6784]

Yoda made the bad call that day sometimes the first battle is always the bloodiest bc no one knows what the hell their doing if they got no experience although the commandos training program could’ve adapted to work with infantry it isn’t anything too crazy just gotta stick together & the jedi had good tacticians however not every jedi is gifted with that talent bc of their dogma being peacekeepers not soldiers only defend a small group thats helpless when conflict arises.

[@koolaidjammer1647]

@@kaimagnus5760 true. That way they'd be more like special forces then generals.

[@CollinMcLean]

@@koolaidjammer1647 It's worth remembering that the entire GAR was produced en masse in secret and the Jedi were handed them at the last minute with no real formal orientation to them. Doesn't matter who you have in charge, if you give someone a new army made from scratch just a few hours before a major battle they aren't going to be able to command them very effectively. And even the clones themselves had no real idea what they were doing as Geetsly pointed out. They were just following simulated training programs.

[@Uhhh_Lemme_Check]

Or in other words, it wasn’t just like the simulations!

[@gino14]

This type of misemployment was exactly why the US created the Special Operations Command, which is of equal standing to any regional command. Special operators can send assets to help commanders when they need it, but since they answer to a top brass of their own, they come to your AOR as equals, and cannot be bullied into missions inappropriate for their skillset. This was the result of the US's operation in Grenada, in which Special Operations Units kept being treated like Light Infantry and taking a disproportionately high number of casualties compared to the conventional forces they were supporting.

[@johnnytopside9745]

Clone Commando's suffered poor leadership and command at Geonosis, not a failure of effectiveness. Also make sure to be aware of the biases introduced by The Clone Wars show...

[@frostburn6784]

Yeah there training program could’ve been easily altered although the reason they stayed that way was bc of palp always wanted more clones so the war prolong longer bc if i was a sinister mastermind playing chest against myself why would i beat myself so fast instead taking my time lol

[@highadmiraljt5853]

It’s more like playing chess with yourself but people are watching, you would want to make it as long as possible to not make it boring

[@Evandarlingisdaddy]

The clone wars is accurate and should have any evidence be accepted

[@ant-i6g]

@Joseph Mainville I don't know the Jedi Order didn't see a large military conflict in 2000 years

[@snakezase2998]

@@ant-i6g and were handed a army they didn’t even knew existed with little time to understand how to effectively use them

[@ihatefortnightgivemeareaso5659]

Do you think they used oxyclean when getting the tuff stains out after a battle

[@geetslys]

The used kitchen grenade.

[@andrewjessop6054]

Its kitchen gun and toilet grenade

[@issy7465]

@@andrewjessop6054 I now have a vision of Scorch explaining why he thought putting a grenade down a toilet would be a great way to clean it (or for shits and giggles).

[@upbeat3535]

@@geetslys They used *SCRUB DADDY*

[@SirenHead00]

@@upbeat3535 wa

[@trainknut]

It's also worth noting that their casualty rates compared to normies may also be reflective of them being used as a sort of early form of shock troops... basically, putting all your best troops at the front to do the most damage to the enemy as possible... Their commando training would've made them highly aggressive in battle, probably often resulting in individuals or even whole squads finding themselves overextended and surrounded.

[@theredestshirt9726]

A Special Forces unit always sounds and seems badass and it is... when deployed how they’re supposed to be if they’re sent in a full scale battle too fight alongside regular troops they’ll, just be a special forces unit filling in a role that most standard infantry get killed in. Even most actual special forces usually get killed if their mission doesn’t go exactly as planned.

[@choiettech]

It's basically like sending Counter Terror Police Spec Ops into a open field battle.

[@frogh9797]

Like GIGN or GSG9

[@MrTwistedLizard]

Doesn't matter how much training or rank you obtain, your just a meat shield for a stubborn space wizard.

[@rafaelalodio5116]

And eventually shoot them in the back

[@lindowamamiyaofthefareastb4296]

What's worse is it's a fact.

[@DrakeKnight99]

That's cause Jedi suck

[@kaylethstarbane7800]

Dude, right on the money. To the Jedi, they are just expendable. Better to sacrifice the lives of clones than that of the Jedi.

[@nullpoint3346]

@@kaylethstarbane7800 Can Force Users (not just Jedi) be cloned?

[@nobleman9393]

Because They Are Special Forces not Regular Forces.

[@themisfitbrigade]

Well saying that just doesn’t make it sound like they’d be unfit for frontline combat. They’re Commandos, meant covert ops. “Special Forces” are just far better trained and superior troops than the regular troops.

[@nickh495]

Real special forces can handle large scale battles better than regular forces. So your statement doesn’t make sense. No I am not talking out of my as. I have a combat deployment with the second infantry division of the US Army. Also the term for those in specialized combat units is special operators or special operations known better as by civilians as spec ops. Special forces or the Green Beret is a specific group. Not a general term. For example. The US Army Rangers are special operations, however they are not special forces. The Navy Seals are special operations, but not US Army special forces. The reason for all of the different groups in the US special operations is due to having those who the best of the best at a specific task in extreme combat scenarios. There are times where calling upon the Navy Seals would be a bad idea. Not because they can’t handle a situation, however because another group would simply perform it much better. Yet even with this being said. Every member of the special operations community can generally perform much better in a regular combat capacity. The only reason why the commandos fails is just a lack of knowledge from the writers. However, if you want an in universe answer. Then I would say that if I wrote the reason as to why then it would be that the commandos were designed so extremely genetically to adapt to nothing but small team operations that they were almost incapable of adapting to the large scale invasion tactics. Otherwise none of that makes any sense.

[@D00dman]

@@nickh495 Clone Commandos more than likely were forced to act within the constraints of Jedi leadership, resulting in them dying for retarded reasons. Think of it as the C.O. knowing fuck from ass and insisting that the seasoned vets follow his commands, though they defy battle-hardened logic.

[@kathrintaylor1655]

I love the clone wars

[@Danny-vj4fy]

@@themisfitbrigade Special Forces are essentially commandos

[@slune85]

As a vocal actor for the clone troopers, I disagree with you on a pure matter of pride.

[@ПавелАйбазов-й2ж]

I'd like to use this opportunity to say that your voicing work is very cool

[@slune85]

@@ПавелАйбазов-й2ж Thank you. I appreciate that.

[@tweso1499]

Great voice work for the Vader fan film! 👏

[@slune85]

@@tweso1499 thank you.

[@smokey2471]

@@slune85 yeah man, great work

[@Anchor-Supreme]

Yeah, Commandos were special forces units, excelling at quiet and stealthy missions behind enemy lines. Throwing them on the frontlines doesn’t show off any of their actual combat skills and expertise, it just makes them more likely to die.

[@Arukandi]

This really makes sense, you explained it really well and im not even mad about calling commandos useless in battles

[@Mike-hg4cl]

The Clone Commando books do a fantastic job of illustrating this! Geonosis was well explained from one of those very unfortunate commando squads. Worth the read!

[@clonecoric4140]

Geetsly's: Commando's are the best Clones. Nulls: Am I a joke to you?

[@connorclements3999]

Alpha class: *yes*

[@Gary_The_Metro]

@@connorclements3999 TBF, to the NULLs the Alpha class are infact a damn joke

[@jarlvincentpineda4622]

@@connorclements3999 Nulls have superior genetic enhancements.

[@emanuelgonzalez1975]

@@jarlvincentpineda4622 they some *beefy* bois

[@TheIfifi]

There were less than a dozen of them, not really worth mentioning.

[@Lolraphael]

2:10 I just love how this squad is equiped with halo weapons

[@leopixels404]

Every single republic commando fan when they saw the thumbnail: ¡You better watch your mouth!

[@marshalllatta2073]

They are the best clone commandos in the galaxy

[@geetslys]

Yes, the floor is made of floor.

[@pyeitme508]

@@geetslys lol

[@notanonymous3976]

big chungus is big

[@barragethree5047]

Kinda weird when you consider that Commandos in Battlefront are "Enforcer" class and ARCs are the "Infiltrator"

[@pauledwards9493]

Deploy specialist troops as line infantry, expect line infantry results.

[@arkhamasylum8972]

I wouldn't say they were useless, they just needed to be used properly and they weren't used properly on Geonosis. They were just specialized in infiltration, espionage, rescues, and skirmishes. They needed to go behind enemy lines and take them down from the inside out. Kinda like how Delta Squad were used in the battle of Geonosis.

[@Gary_The_Metro]

Well yeah no shit lol, using commandos as normal infantry is like using a seal team to go fight an army. Sure they'll do some damage but it'd be a massive waste of the asset

[@ireneparkin3360]

Clone Trooper:- "We're meant to be expendable." Plo' Khun:- "Not to me."

[@Psychosomatic63]

2:09 I didn't know clones had halo's guns

[@jakemerchant950]

I didn't know clones had Mjolnir armor.

[@samuelchung1150]

The only commando team that could probably do well in front line combat would be Clone Force 99 aka The Bad Batch. Controversial opinion, I know, just going off of what I saw on Clone Wars Season 7 and Bad Batch series.

[@Yuritarkov]

clone force 99 is the only exception to the clone commando folly

[@juancabardo21]

Jedi: Ah yes, deploying our covert ops troopers on the frontlines of battle is a very good decision.

[@monkeyt2675]

When the Jedi send clones meant for espionage to the front lines “Your tactics confuse and frighten me sir”

[@Planesrifter]

2:10 Those are UNSC weapons. And the clone armor looks to be in the style of Mjolnir, look at the shoulders. Just noticed.

[@justaknight4719]

Looks like a Star Wars Mod for Halo..

[@LAV-III]

“What is this a cross over episode?”

[@carboy101]

Basically, the Jedi were idiots and had no place leading a military force.

[@CoolMyron]

not like they had a choice

[@jayvhoncalma3458]

Sadly true

[@TheIfifi]

Don't blame the Jedi for this error, they did the best they could but they should never have been put in that situation.

[@Savitar_G.O.S]

Guess the bad batch are the only real commandos of the clone army.

[@Zero-Dux]

No matter how elite you are you wouldn't have done jack shit in geonosis where everyone was fighting like it's the 17th century. Like dafuq are you suppose to do when the battle is about fighting each other without a cover in a frikking gunfight.

[@nauticalwolf6649]

This mirrors the real world so well. Commandos/special ops are absolutely devastating when used well, but get absolutely devastated in turn when used horribly

[@Karlos1234ify]

Commandos were meant for Special Ops NOT the Frontline. They’re commandos not ARC troopers

[@frostburn6784]

They could’ve easily adapted the training program for the commandos to work with the infantry after the first battle learning from the mistakes & realizing their weaknesses yet they didn’t which is why the GAR was incompetent which is honestly palps fault but he was playing chest on both fields against himself so of course he cared less if there was more casualties means more confusion & politicking to prolong the end of the war which was designed to groom Anakin in large grand scheme of things instead of simply killing him.

[@SonofSethoitae]

@@frostburn6784 Why bother? You're not going to waste Commandos on the front line, why train them to be there?

[@PSYMEDIC]

@@SonofSethoitae I mean right. To lead the clones in a battlefield is the job of the ARC troopers. The Commandos are a highly skilled battle unit for sabotage, assassination and infaltration. They are strong, fast and hit hard. Putting them in large scale battlefields is a horrible idea. Even the best soldier can get shot in the head, at seemingly random.

[@capwisky5348]

So this is why I keep dying in Star Wars battlefront when I try to get up close

[@ARCTrooperStudios8108]

I can be so divided between ARC Troopers and Clone Commandoes. All are amazing.

[@lordstarscream01]

Yeah this makes sense, the commandos are basically black ops troopers which means they don't usually go through a full scale battle

[@wolftal1178]

The commandos were specialised troops which couldn’t fit in an ordinary open battle situation, at least not on an open plane, you could perhaps order them to circle the enemy and to sabotage behind the lines or maybe even support covering fire on mountainous regions. But they couldn’t fit into every single situation, it would be like trying to use a specialised medical scalpel in a sword fight, the medical scalpel would be brilliant at what it does in operations and delicate jobs, but it would be useless in a role of a machete. Whereas a arc trooper I suppose would come under the profile of maybe a very large Swiss Army knife, capable of adapting to multiple situations and scenarios.

[@gregchung9244]

Geestly is pointing out something that happens quite a lot in real wars. For example, during the battle of Mosul, the Iraqi army heavily relied on the elite "Golden Divison" and SWAT teams to spearhead the invasion, however, both suffered heavy losses because they were not meant for sustained frontline combat. The commander in charge of the SWAT forces actually had a mental breakdown because he acknowledged his men were utilized correctly and the cost was his men's lives.

[@xtc2006]

Clone commandos:*get slaughtered* ARC Troopers: Allow us to introduce ourselves

[@mattwong5403]

The idea that special forces are supersoldiers is greatly overstated in media. They are highly trained in specialized tasks, but can die just as easily as an untrained recruit if their opponent has some exploitable advantage. Clone Commandos are better trained than regular clones, but they are not Doomslayer or Master Chief

[@zachseabass7414]

The more I know - the more I grow to despise the Jedi. Or anyone in the Republic who thought it was a good idea to let space wizards/monks take a command of a military.

[@ikrIkarus]

The Jedi were probably one of the most combat experienced bodies of the republic. They had no army prior and hence no officers, maybe from some security forces, but they had little experience. Jedi were at least send out to planets in unrest and whatever, though they rarely intervened directly. They couldn't let the Clones command themselves obviously and senators would make even worse commanders for the most part. So the last option would be to recruit from planetary miliaries, what they probably did with admirals, but their loyality to the republic could be questionable, so they put the Jedi above them to keep them in check. It's pretty much the best they had.

[@zachseabass7414]

@@ikrIkarus Figures. But still the Jedi had some obsolete combat MO because of the fact they were used to their traditional tactics from the past. Far as I know they were not trained to fight those kinds of wars like CW. It is same situation when in 20 century humankind had to shift from positional warfare to guerilla tactics as the newer conflicts were unsimilar to older ones. But who in their sane mind will give a command to a fresh Jedi padawan when the unit has a capable clone commander? I mean that case when Ahsoka got her squadron killed in her beginning days. And this particular event with Mace completely unfamiliar with how commando operate only boils the annoyance with the order.

[@takumiyamamiya8877]

Assuming canonicity of the Old Republic, the Jedi used to be a military force. Then the Ruusan reformations happened, and the jedi were forced to demilitarise - give up their armour, their militaristic ranks (jedi lord, etc), change their recruitment criteria, amongst other things. They became peacekeepers. By the outbreak of the Clone Wars, the republic had been at peace for so long that they just didn't have a proper military (in both personnell and equipment) and the jedi were probably one of the few groups the republic can ask to lead their troops due to their militaristic past (never mind that the ruusan reformations declawed them) and their current experience as peacekeepers with weapons.

[@celadoncylon4169]

You know that was basically Poppa Palpatine's plan right? Inept leadership on both sides to extend the war and weaken the galaxy especially the jedi who died in droves in battle by the end of the war. Then when republic and cis civilians hated the jedi for their terrible leadership of the clones and their "imma take charge" attitude when the war started, it was fairly easy for people to believe that the jedi committed treason and their deaths were legally justified. Propaganda is a hell of a drug.

[@funnature8679]

10,000-4982=5018 CC's remaining after battle, no coverage.

[@ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣΣΧΟΙΜΠΟΝ]

So can we say that the Bad Batch is the clone force that is capable for open battlefield and sabotage missions ( they are something between arc troopers and clone commandos )

[@juancabardo21]

yep. just as skilled too

[@Milktartarus]

Does anyone else want canon remake of republic commando or a Disney plus show similar to the anthology films and the mandalorian about commandos

[@grezz975]

i just want them to somehow bring the books back into canon

[@kenji214245]

I mean they are pretty much making a bunch of shows right now. Bad batch and stuff

[@Milktartarus]

@@kenji214245 oh yeah I forgot that the bad batch is basically delta squad

[@NoNo-lt9bi]

Your comments are to my dislike.... that is fine but yknow

[@DrakeKnight99]

No because Kennedy will shred that shit into some pc sjw bullshit

[@ArgentWolf95]

Battlefield and strategic synergy, as I call it, is pretty much everything. I see the Clone Commanders as basically a combination of US Navy SEALS team Six, SAS, or J-SOC operators, to name a few. If my military info is accurate. (I never was in the military, but I really respect and love learning about military and special forces.)

[@theonlytaco9511]

In a full scale battle, even the most elite soldier is about as any other trooper. Being a good shot gives you the leg up. Special soldiers need to fight unconventionally

[@gundampeacekeeper]

learning the fine details regarding each type of clone’s training environment and how that affected their combat capability takes time. That’s incredibly evident in the real world with military vehicles and technology as well. On paper the Jedi saw what was essentially a Halo Spartan but when you peel back the onion it’s something else. Simply put they didn’t have enough time to understand their troops compared to the droid army

[@milleniumtardis]

Makes sense. I always die when I play commandos in battlefront 2

[@Kalidoscope1230]

So what you’re telling me is that fielding 19 waystalkers with a glade lord mounted on a forest dragon in an open plains battlefield against your standard late-game high veterancy AI generated armies of around 1500 troops is a bad idea, right? What do you mean by “that’s not Star Wars”?

[@kopakatoaofcool8536]

I remember that clone trooper from republic commando that you roast after he bullies you :)

[@koivix]

i love how at 2 min he throws in a photo of republic commandos clearly modded on halo 3 spartan armor

[@generalsodapop3530]

Better at combat but just not meant to be integrated into normal battlefield formations. Delta Squad's exploits on Geonosis are an example of how to better use commando squads in an active battlefield.

[@zachbernstein3804]

So basically if the republic had deployed only the commandos and sent them behind enemy lines, the battle would have gone much quicker than if they sent the regular troops in at all.

[@gooutdessert4113]

Bad Batch: *insane Wrecker laugh*

[@MrHort55]

2:07 love the commandos with UNSC weapons

[@connorclements3999]

Lol, I was wondering if I was going crazy when I saw that

[@coltsfan6661]

Another reason maybe because they stood out from other units and where targeted.

[@stove5480]

Sending Clone Commandos to a frontline battle, is like sending a squad of partisans with normal partisan gear to siege a castle.

[@ShadowGachaSlayers]

In all honesty, they shouldn't have been called "Commandos" because that's not what they were. Commandos are units of soldiers that carry out OVERT operations and raids, not COVERT. Because of this, I can understand why Windu sent them alongside the main force due to the misleading name. Or had the Commandos been trained to be like the Super Soldiers of the Republic rather than the Covert Operators then things could have played out VERY differently. Also, if they changed the name of the Commandos to Operators, then things could have gone better because the name Operator would hint that they are not meant for open warfare.

[@magnustherad3291]

You know, it would have been nice if bf2 listened to this when creating the commando

[@nas_hattori1598]

Yea that would have been nice

[@9051team]

But then they would be useless on open maps.

[@kozakisgod6757]

You want another fucking useless stealth reinforcement like ewok?

[@geetslys]

Droid commando is way more fun to play :)

[@nas_hattori1598]

@@geetslys mad true

[@thatcrazyguyeveryonelikes4197]

So the only thing I can't see is them not being able to adapt at all to working in larger groups. There's plenty of instances where that would eventually happen. They may not specifically train for that, but I garuntee they'd adapt to it. Another thing is while they weren't trained for open battlefield fighting, they're weaponry wasn't either. Other than the snipers, they're weaponry wasn't designed to take out enemies at long range, and the anti armor could take out clusters of enemies, but that range wouldn't have made it practical.

[@Blade40688]

Also I'm pretty sure commandos where fighting different SBDs than the rest of the GAR, might explain those casualties

[@highadmiraljt5853]

I heard somewhere (idk if it’s true) that they were lead by a group of Jedi going through the underground’s of geonosis and they met general grievous.

[@mrstormtrooper8824]

That one commando that lost his entire squad to deliver a package, just to get called useless: *Years of academy training WASTED*

[@Maribro4]

Commandos were supposed to be sneaky bois not battle bois

[@gunjeebus3453]

I like how In battlefront 2 they are the ultimate brute force unit they have grenade launchers and a ghetto force push and a team health buff

[@jacobwarren344]

Is there a video of how effective jedi were in combat or open battle fields? I struggle to see how jedi were effective in open combat with just a lightsaber. They clearly lack range attack when almost everyone else has a blaster. In the animated star wars series. You see top tier jedi reflecting lasers and maybe they close the distance on a ship or a cave.

[@pgames2303]

Another thing to consider is the statistics of the matter. In a small sample size, there will always be heavier casualties. The more units, or the larger sample size, the closer you get to the actual rates. The reason we saw a statistical difference in rates of death is because of that larger sample size the norms had. If you had say 100k commandos, you would get probably lower rates of death than 100k norms.

[@stellataylor7436]

2:10 Ah yes, I remember the time the UNSC sided with the republic and gave the clone commandos MA5-B Assault Rifles, Battle Rifles, Magnums, and SPNK Rocket Launchers. Truly epic how the Sangheli sided with the CIS too because of their beliefs in the forunners.

[@calitriestes9155]

2:08 uhhh those are Spartans from halo but they have commando helmets from star wars still pretty cool video tho

[@theogmemenitro139]

Video summed up in 4 words Yes , but I disagree

[@Comkill117]

So what you’re saying is Obi Wan and Windu were just garbage at Republic Commando and never made it past the first level.

[@wizard_of_poz4413]

At the end of the day, everyone in the military is a rifleman no matter where you are

[@forestwells5820]

Exactly my take. I get that commandos excel behind enemy lines. That's perfectly fine. But they suddenly become worthless if caught in a regular engagement? Sorry, but that seems frankly stupid on the part of the training. Better to train your forces so that any soldier, even a commando, can be absorbed like a drop of water into the whole at any given time. You then train Commandos to do more. It's probably why, as I understand it (I'm open to being wrong here), modern Rangers, SEALs, and other special forces are almost always pulled from active duty soldiers. You don't go to the recruiter and go straight into special forces training. You gotta be trained as a rank and file soldier first, prove yourself there, then apply or get tapped for it.

[@danielchavez8264]

You’re not wrong, people are riflemen. Doesn’t mean you know tactics though. Also commandos would be trained considerably differently than your average infantryman. There are different SOPs that everyone follows and on top of that the unit cohesion would be considerably different. Can’t assume that they’d be good at something they didn’t train for

[@wizard_of_poz4413]

@@danielchavez8264 yeah, I mean I wasnt trying to defend geonosis type Shit but I'd say that more applies to the last battle where they had to make a last stand more or less

[@sergioalvarez1919]

@@forestwells5820 Not really. Its not crazy at all. It has real world applications. If everybody was just a rifleman. The marines would just be part of the army. At least in the US. But they arent and they are organized differently for different purposes. Marines are not build for full scale war and are quick reaction force and would lose certain situations in war because they in fact dont have tanks. And even amongst special forces. Navy seals and green berets are different. Navy seals are more of an quick attack and infiltration force while green berets are meant to train local forces and stay behind enemy lines longer. Sure they may be good with a rifle but if their skills and doctrine isn't applied properly they lose.

[@cmdrdestr0id915]

@@forestwells5820 the main difference is they were trained to specifically work in a squad of 4 which would coordinate with a larger group not as individuals in a massive group

[@MadamInsanity88]

I literally just watched your video about why we barely ever see Commandos during the Clone Wars :D

[@perturabo7825]

Jedi incompetence strikes again! Wasting some of the republics most valuable troops in operations in standard clone grunt could do. On a side note: 192,000? For a planet as massive and heavily populated as geonosis? It realistically should’ve taken an army tens of millions strong at minimum to win that battle.

[@chromicm6686]

Well you of all people would know all about wasting elite troops wouldnt you?....

[@LAV-III]

That’s why I like to think the 1 unit=1 battalion thing is true the GAR always seemed small in my eyes

[@perturabo7825]

@@chromicm6686 no I’m the one who put a stop to that shit. If you thought I suffered heavy casualties you should’ve seen the legion before I took over.

[@starhammer5247]

@@perturabo7825 The Lion did it better.

[@chromicm6686]

@@perturabo7825 is that why you threw away entier companies against that imperial fist fortress and glassed your own home world? Even horus gave more of a shit about his troops than you do

[@quazar5017]

Kaminoans "Ok master Jedi, here are your clone troopers. Do you agree with the terms of service and read the manual I sent you?" Jedi: "Yes."

[@Benoski893]

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[@jakethejapan1029]

Thank you for bringing into the world your magnificent art

[@dhwwiiexpert]

Your skills are godly! I love them!

[@basedbattledroid3507]

ARC Troopers are for the frontlines Commandos are for reconnaissance and stealth

[@menace6734]

Makes a lot of sense. I thought this myself. Don’t get it twisted. They may be elite and set for specific tasks. But doesn’t mean they are also the best on the front lines. Behind enemy lines is a different story because they are pros at that.

[@Karlos1234ify]

Commando:We’re just clones, sir. We’re meant to be expendable.