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[@otiselectric4040]

The Grips 2 cover always reminds me of Rutger Hauer’s last scene in Blade Runner.

[@covrprice]

Thanks for sharing! We looked into those and updated those sales. We actually have two new processes to correct these moving forward. One to quarantine bad sales and another to catch and update sales to the actual prices sold. These just went live this past week. So that will significantly help moving forward. Thanks for highlighting it! We always ask our users to let us know if something is wrong so we can fix it and prevent it from recurring in the future (we use exclusion terms to help filtering). Best!

[@futurepastvintagecollectables]

I use Covrprice every day independently of CZL, so all improvements are appreciated. I understand raw sales are challenging to track. It’s helpful that sales data is also available so you can drill down and see all the sales together. You guys do a good job.

[@OilersWorkshop]

The breakdown you guys do in the middle of this video should be “required reading” for every comic collector at any level of experience. I had inferred most of what you lay out here through experience but if someone broke this down for me about 8years ago it would’ve saved me so much headache and minimized the amount of arguments I’ve had with fellow collectors 😆 you guys are adorable as a team

[@kevinjameson7817]

Dave’s mention of Lemme and Motörhead made me chuckle. In the late 80s/early 90s (my memory is a little hazy), I went to an Alice Cooper concert. Motörhead was supposed to open but it turns out Lemme couldn’t make it through customs. Needless to say, there were numerous disappointed fans. No comic related comment here other than I enjoy your videos.

[@Cincinnatijames]

The Wolverine on Marvel Comics Presents #93 is definitely not Sam Keith. Keith did the awesome Ghost Rider and Cable on the other side.

[@JLPelath]

Let’s talk about an AWESOME cover. Dave’s shirt in this video is next level. 😂

[@barrysaide]

Covr Price has great theoretical tools. It's not updated regularly, despite what the company says. Last sale is a minor data point. The FMV tool would be fantastic if it was broken down like GPAnalysis: last sale, 30/60/90/year long splits.

[@futurepastvintagecollectables]

It’s as good as the data being entered into it. I assume it would take millions of transactions to get a solid base of information. I still find it useful for my purposes.

[@barrysaide]

@@futurepastvintagecollectables I agree, it would take a lot of monitoring and work to be flawless. As you documented in the video, it has a major flaw, which casts doubt on the strength of the data shared with collectors. I feel like eBay 90 day sales and GPAnalysis, as well as following Facebook listings gives pretty clear intel on what each book is worth. Thank you for your consistent and thoughtful content. It is appreciated.

[@randydebower8240]

I was collecting Captain America from 1975 to 1980 and never read the issues from 1978 to '80 so I have that great Hulk cover on issue #230 that is srill newstand fresh. i think it's still underrated and should be worth more. Great cover image -- true classic! You are so right that it looks fantastic in high grade!

[@ahkup5283]

Instant liking for the owner, Dave, if i'm a first time customer, i would definitely keep buying from such a very pleasantly understanding and nice guy! Rach is also very knowlegable & experienced about vintage grading for a young girl of her age

[@jabezcreed]

Personally, I hate that CovrPrice makes a distinction in their pricing data for newsstand vs direct. If the newsstand is truly a rare item, the CovrPrice value will be inaccurate especially for raw books. Newsstand is something in the eye of the beholder, and I would rather leave that value decision to the buyer and seller. One thing to note though, is that you can connect your newsstand copy to the direct market copy in CLZ if you want that to be the basis for your value.

[@bobtrottier8178]

Now I have to find GRIPS!! I stumbled across FAUST way back when, buying a short box from some guys trunk in Baltimore..think I was 12? 13? 😅😅 He just wanted the 20 bucks!! I absolutely loved the artwork and story, been trying to replace those books in mid grade for YEARS and never find em at a decent price.

[@futurepastvintagecollectables]

Those are my favorite type of finds!

[@bobtrottier8178]

@@futurepastvintagecollectables I was very lucky and met Steve Geppi very young when he still had retail stores. Actually pointed more than one of those "Don't care,you have the $x???" I don't think i ever spent more than 20-30 dollars on anything.

[@brandonberry5814]

I love that you highlighted Grips 2. That was the first Tim Vigil book I owned. Great show!

[@snotmonger]

Agreed. I've been a Vigil fan for almost as long.

[@pbales8951]

I never know whether to trust the covrprice sales figures for raw books. I mean, I've purchased plenty of raw Near Mint books on ebay that were VG at best due to flaws that didn't show in the scans--detached centerfolds, tanning, torn pages, even torn covers that did not appear torn in the scans. So, I just don't see how covrprice has reliable information to go on in order to document these sales.

[@ricbeau3761]

Since I started collecting comics books , is to be able to sell them later for higher prices than I paid 😊

[@christopherandreas461]

Lots of raw these days after CGC reholder -gate for sure. ....until CGC gets a new case grading with them is a no go!

[@monzsterman]

I remember that cover with those Wolverine boots and as a person who drew alot and took art all thru school, I remember thinking " man the perspective on that cover is all messed up"😂😂

[@oliverortiz8507]

I enjoyed this video and appreciate the sharing of knowledge you both give us.

[@ericcake5075]

So glad you guys don’t bring out the usual books (hulk 181 etc). Every time you put out a video, I know school is in session. I love the 70’s DC horror and learned so much from you. Thank you for helping me find my niche

[@bobtrottier8178]

Sam Keith did the OTHER sides cover .

[@futurepastvintagecollectables]

That was pointed outed out.

[@bobtrottier8178]

@@futurepastvintagecollectables DOH!! My bad!!

[@Spaceageplaya03]

Coverprice for CLZ prices are ridiculous. I would be very happy to get 10k for my collection. Coverprice says it's worth 80k

[@ScottTice1971]

I’ve shied away from buying on eBay because grading sucks so bad. I rarely ever received what they said the grade was and most avoid the flaws on purpose. I like to actually view the book in person so my buying has been primarily local. That being said I DO trust YOUR grades as everything I’ve purchased in you claim sales has really been great with the grades. I really do appreciate that… so thank you! Honesty retains customers.

[@futurepastvintagecollectables]

Thank you!

[@davidsamuelson2089]

You are assuming that the sellers on eBay understand how to grade & grade accurately(i.e., overgrade forever). I’ve never bought from a seller that didn’t overgrade their raw books - every time. Always. I stopped buying raw from them long ago.

[@davidsamuelson2089]

Who’s slabbing that ASM puma book at anything less than 9.8. Even a 9.8 is worthless. But a 9.0/9.2. They’re better off cracking it & selling it raw and overgrade it like every dealer & hope to get $15-$20. Asking prices for eBay books never sell, they have zero interest in actually selling. You seem like decent people & your casts are appreciated.

[@futurepastvintagecollectables]

That’s kinda of the point. Some people just want to own a slab, while other people may not know how to grade and submit a book and hope for a higher grade.

[@CBs_Bill_from_Montana]

I bought that Captain America 230 from you! I still take it out and look at it now and then.

[@surfcitycomics672]

Nice content as usual . But people need to understand one sale does not determine FMV specifically last sales .

[@futurepastvintagecollectables]

Very true!

[@bobtrottier8178]

CAPS GOON SHOT 😂😂😂😂

[@myPCselfhelp101]

People always have a problem determining fair market value of comics. What happened to the good ol days of oversteet price guide? Even with recent scandals at CGS, the reholder scam from outsiders and insiders by CGS employee who stole/switch comics. So people have less confidence in cgs. So who do you trust? How do you determine fair market value ?

[@futurepastvintagecollectables]

It’s not easy, takes a lot of practice, selling a lot of books, understanding the market and throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. I have a philosophy that I am not trying to get top dollar, so that’s a good starting point.

[@babsthewreckingcrew4294]

Retail is always the best way to make sure you get your money back

[@leerogers5318]

I fully concur with the sentiment that comic prices are in disarray. However, factors such as FOMO, price influencers, price fixing, and corruption within the slabbing market have significantly distorted the true values of comics. Unfortunately, this trend is likely to worsen as the economy further deteriorates.

[@jomehi6863]

Really enjoying your channel and content. Your Daughter Rachel is very beautiful with an infectious laugh. Please continuing to do the videos.

[@mestizo3113]

I don't know why people are tip-toeing around that Wolverine cover by Frank Miller. I'll just call it like it is... its probably the worst drawing of Wolverine I've ever seen.

[@mrdigit3353]

drawing isnt so bad, but its very boring design i think , cheesy huh?

[@nighttigercomics7323]

Agreed!

[@davidwarring1572]

I don't see how my opinion effects anybody's money.

[@Geoffreydarcy-pv4mq]

Caps "Robbed" Powergirl pose.

[@jupitermenace9920]

If I would decide to sell or for who is ever tasked with doing it eventually, I would hope there would be some value there, not out of this world, of course, but not a box of dollar bin junk either.

[@davidwarring1572]

Don't understand why people grade books that are not worth anything, like Spidey vf nm 256 I don't grade books unless I think the book will be with 2 to 5 times increase the value.

[@Sasquatch508]

if a book means something to me i want to insure its condition. I named my son after Maverick so every Maverick comic i come across im getting slabbed and any comic i come across with him on the cover im getting slabbed. i dont understand what people do with thier money effects you

[@davidwarring1572]

I don't see how my opinion effects anybody's money.

[@dprescott1970]

Loved the video. Those Star Trek and Doctor Solar comics in the background are awesome.

[@CosmicTrekker]

I love my CLZ apps, but CovrPrice pricing leaves something to be desired. It's borderline useless for Golden Age books and 90-95% of my collecting nowadays is Golden and Silver Age slabs. I pretty much use GPA prices 99% of the time for my pricing considerations. CovrPrice and GoCollect seem to be incomplete or inaccurate in comparison. I adjust my pricing for raws (which I don't buy often nowadays) based upon the slab prices I see. The other thing to consider is that once you get down to $10-$30 books, for the average collector, they may not care about the difference in price with a book selling for $15 or the same book selling for $20 if they want it just to have as opposed to for "investment" purposes. If I saw a $15 book selling for $20 and no other copies were around, I'd just buy it if I wanted it bad enough. Love your vids - keep up the good work. I love the "learn together" aspect of it rather than "I know what I'm talking about - you listen to me because I are expert!" attitudes I see often. lol.

[@futurepastvintagecollectables]

Thank you! If I’ve learned nothing from life, I’ve learned that if you are not humble you will be humiliated.

[@inc4me]

I hate when sellers use eBay for pricing. Not eBay sales but ongoing prices. Or raw NM+ based of 9.8 slabs as a sale price.

[@futurepastvintagecollectables]

It’s an indication, that’s all. Some sellers, like mycomicshop are pretty good at pricing. Some have prices that are beyond ridiculous, but experienced buyers know that. Sometimes the only copy with a price attached is a copy for sale on eBay, no previous sales, no GPa, no COVR price. It’s like detective work to get a clue, and that’s what it is.

[@philcamacho127]

Thanks for sharing your pricing methods for comics. It's a difficult and time-consuming process and not for the "faint of heart" 😅. I believe pricing comics from among the other collectibles (e.g., stamps, coins, cards) is the most difficult, which is why I very rarely do it. Btw, I always seem to forget about your Mon/Fri sales living in the eastcoast. From what you just said, I'll put it on my phone calendar now! 😊

[@coltglass1270]

All comic dealers are basically used car salesmen 😂 So happy I’m done throwing my money away 😂

[@Wr0ngNumb3r]

I’m 62 and neither of my sons are comic collectors though they do read a series here and there. What I’ve been trying to do is get all of my higher value books slabbed. Since slabbed books are so much better easier to price at least they will be able to sell them with knowledge. Now, I have over 16,000 books and only about 200 slabbed, but they represent 50% of my collection value.Hopefully, I will get enough done to get that slabbed number closer to 70% of value to make it easier on them and less likely they will be cheated.

[@futurepastvintagecollectables]

There is a way to sell them raw for close to that value depending on what they are. Email me (our email in in our video description) and I can give you a few scenarios so you can have some Options.

[@user-sw5iz3zl8q]

Love this channel guys and that shirt is the cats meow

[@crushr804]

Dave's arms *Dave's shirt=Guns and Roses!!:}:

[@lotsandlotsofcomics]

Very interesting. The Covrprice problems are something we really need to talk about and I’m so glad you guys did. I’m hoping you will do an even longer, even more in depth show SOON!!!!! I’ll be right here to watch it. Thank you

[@snotmonger]

The MTU 117 was this first comic book i ever bought!

[@tonydaniels9876]

Great information. I am more of a collector, not much into selling. However, I do consider the long term investment value. NOTE: Grips does look a little like he is crying.

[@ronaldbourgeois1255]

Was able to get Fantastic four first Thundra appearance for $40.00 8.0 raw.

[@tj1993rx7]

Glad the channel came up in my recommend channels, enjoyed watching my first video and I keep thinking….he had to have been in radio back in the day :)

[@user-gf2ju8cd2y]

Pricing information is very helpful and appreciated. As you noted this is a very subjective and book specific process that involves some serious head scratching….🤔. Working my way through my raw Bronze and Copper books and at some point I simply draw a line and call the price as being what it is. Keep up the great work. 👍

[@GeraldATeske]

Missed you while you weren't posting. Glad you're back!

[@ronaldbourgeois1255]

Dave just picked up captain America #169 Tumbler appearance very fine for $15.00.

[@geeksurge]

If I can't get my money back for a book, I keep it

[@silveragedc]

Have a Mark’s Jewelers of that MTU 117 😊

[@charlesporter641]

Appreciate the granular deep dive - yeah, there is sales data out there...but what if that so-called NM is really a VF-, or the shipping cost is $29.95? Thanks for examining some of the factors that determine the REAL price of a book, nice vid.

[@InvaderSqwid]

Finally a new video!

[@christopherandreas461]

Good stuff. ...like what pops was puffing before you shot this masterpiece. ...LMFAO down here in SF. ..also a Lewis &Clark alum class of '86 so I am the true old man here....cheers! GO NINERS

[@Mr_Rob_otto]

That X-Factor cover has nothing to do with people “liking” it. There’s a lot of novices and people with FOMO and frankly possibly some market manipulation going on there. That cover is atrocious and has me re-considering collecting comics. People should be asking if John Cassiday had a stroke or did this in reaction to how little he probably got paid for that cover. 🙄

[@futurepastvintagecollectables]

It definitely stands out. I kind of like covers that aren’t “cool” or in the current style. Yep, it’s out there, but we know he can draw.

[@Geoffreydarcy-pv4mq]

It wouldn't look bad as an original sketch card. My two cents.

[@mikeallabaughrealtor5371]

I keep missing your Monday shows and I really need to set an alarm lol. Friday shows I'm at work but will make it one day. As a collector, I do not worry about the price for some books. For instance, I recently picked up Batman 251 graded in 5.0 for 350 I think. I felt it was a fair price even though value may have gone down some, but.i wanted it for my collection. I have no plans on selling it while alive and it will be up to heirs on what they want to do with it lol. Just my opinion. Enjoy your videos!

[@johnfrost5268]

Speaking of comic content, that's quite the shirt...

[@DavidClark-vu3dw]

My lcs uses Overstreet.

[@jwrkn32]

love watching you both its really cool that its a family hobby for you both i only started collecting again a year ago my youngest son collects with me its really fun to do the hobby with family

[@Leef13]

Wow, this was a great episode. Lots of knowledge and very helpful. I’m having to cut my collection in half cause I’m moving and financial reasons 😢. Trying to figure what to ask for them has been difficult with such a huge bulk. This was very helpful. Thanks!

[@dhyde9780]

I saved thousands by buying raw.

[@byronbailey3311]

Good show! It's great watching and listening to both of you discuss covers. And, much love in seeing those Gold Key and Whitman Trek comics in the background.🖖

[@chrischreative2245]

I don’t know which comic prince guide to use for accurate pricing 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

[@futurepastvintagecollectables]

There isn’t one.

[@partygametime]

I think you both save me lots of money 🎉Thanks 👍⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@camren505]

You pronounce the last name has Vee-Hill, it’s a Hispanic last name

[@nighttigercomics7323]

You'll notice that always these ugly covers in my opinion are from the modern era where there was the focus was no longer on producing good stories. Now comic books are just glorified trading cards.

[@martinalvarez8653]

Great content Dave and Rachael! You guys ROCK! Thanks for sharing all the knowledge.

[@SequentialGeek]

Please explain why you mute my comment criticizing how youtube is a limited platform that is mainly for sellers?

[@futurepastvintagecollectables]

I agree, and I don’t think I muted that. We put a lot of collectors perspective content up. I have spent a lot of money making videos, so it’s definitely more than just a passion project.

[@frankieno-nose8447]

Comics is why I watch and Rachel's smile is what keeps me coming back.

[@mrdigit3353]

loved gold key comics in background, some are by george wilson,....hard to look at those and then the featured comics, but here goes,... dave -check out new hardback book on him due out this july,... appreciate rob liefield for his opinions, his art wasn't ever my thing,....but hes made lots of getus........ the big boot mtu, never liked cover, never noticed boot error, ha,....it is bad now that i see it,... puma? i thought that was a tennis shoe? seriously, you said a lot when you said for copper books, only buy in 9.6 and up probably, too much supply,.... i, too, never liked fm's art on that batman mini series,... liked sin city better,..but it sure sold lots of copies,.....though. liked fms approach on 404-407 better....

[@WallyMcW]

You are cutting corners by using that app rather than looking at actual sold things. Stop using that app and you wont have pricing problems.

[@futurepastvintagecollectables]

There are other sales occurring outside of eBay as well. eBay is not the center of comic sales, so really a combination of tools is best.

[@WallyMcW]

what would you say is "the center of comic sales" if not ebay? In reference to the book you used in the video not things like action 1 @@futurepastvintagecollectables

[@johnrichardson8408]

Thank you for the great show and informative content

[@babsthewreckingcrew4294]

Sorry that covers hideous, it looks like I child drew it

[@futurepastvintagecollectables]

Haha

[@atown4434]

Come on dude, you gotta give up the source of the shirts, the skeleton one, now this??!!!! Give up tHe source mannnn......

[@christopherandreas461]

Buzzy as hell. ....:)

[@chauncesnowdeal1235]

'promosm' 😍

[@duelist57]

Great post and content all…food for thought.

[@pleasurevid]

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