Why Companies Hate Work From Home Now

[@pmac5478]

Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime. That’s why I watch Big A clips on company time.

[@Dr_CLASSIFIED_OCE]

This the main channel thou, so you got like a day off or somethin?

[@pmac5478]

main channel demands full attention, I find it easier to pretend to work while listening to the glizzmeister’s clips

[@iamverybigsad]

this is a good comment

[@jwleigh0]

Bricolage

[@amengaming777]

Bars

[@Kadulikan]

In 1969 we figured out how to work remote over radio on the MOON. 50+ years later, we need to drive 2 hours to the office to get on a Zoom call.

[@qarnos]

Yeah but the astronauts still had to go to the Moon that day

[@mattb4625]

​@@qarnosNah. Even their bosses were trusting enough to let them skip the call if it was warranted and they couldn't make the landing. A lot has changed between the Greatest Generation and today.

[@bauefrenchmen3126]

​@qarnos but nasa doesn't send it and communications and engineering to the moon because it's easier for management to feel important if they look over the shoulders of everyone involved who know more about what their doing then the desk Jockys overseeing them.

[@sholland42]

You know that was fake, right? Buzz Aldrin admitted to Conan O’Brien the moon landing broadcast was an animation, they didn’t have TV cameras. Wake up please.

[@Mayhzon]

Well... You believe that?

[@bobowon5450]

I remember a company i worked for hated work from home, wanted to switch back to office work. They never complained productivity was down, in fact productivity was up. But managers couldn't micro manage people, and older people were unreal offended that people could do laundry or clean up a bit between tasks. The complaint was NEVER that work wasn't getting done.

[@casperkoteras]

“How dare you do what we said we expected instead of giving us ALL of the energy you can muster!”

[@dreamingflurry2729]

Of course it's not about the work and/or productivity! It's about CONTROL! Bosses who don't even offer hybrid work (so you are in the office say once or twice a week) are mostly control freaks. Especially since you might actually (at least if like me, you live alone, don't have pets or kids and thus have a very peaceful environment, you can set up to your liking, the company just needs to deliver a computer to me - I don't want to work on my own devices - and have me hook it up to my network (I have a LAN-Network in my entire apartment, with LAN-Sockets in every room except for the Bathroom! Hell, working here would be bliss - I could put on my own musik, I would not have to listen to co-workers being noisy (I have both a very good hearing and ADHD, so I pick up on the slightest noises!) etc....I could actually get stuff done here and set my own breaks (10 minutes of every hour, to clear my head)) finish early! Which few people in an office ever do - why? Because they know their manager or boss will give them extra work if they finish their regular duties early! Hell, when working from home you also don't waste so much time talking to co-workers (which I don't want anyway! Co-Workers aren't friends! They are acquaintances at BEST - enemies at worst, if they think they can get a pat on the back for reporting you for anything!)

[@kamartaj3010]

Boomers are just born to be hated

[@Porkcupines]

Cause they don’t have someone to bark at. They’ll go nuts if they stay at home.

[@IslandBarbie420]

I go into my office and literally get no work done. Watched people walk around, talk, not work, and just attend meetings. They are not productive… they just want to micro manage.

[@kukuc96]

There is one slight problem with doing this as a stealth layoff: Your best people with other options will leave, the desperate with no valuable skills will stay. Great job laying off your best people and keeping the worst.

[@Xamry]

Omg yes I’ve seen this happen!

[@arcanthra3874]

I've seen this happen a lot. A rather big company here decided to give a lucrative incentive for ppl to retire early in order to get rid of the older workers. It worked a bit too good and all experienced workers retired instantly cashing in a big check. A total brain drain happened, ppl were not trained to replace the retired ones and now they are a mere shell of their former selves.

[@theplaintiff5450]

None of them care lol. Big companies don’t need you. Your role really isn’t that important and you can be easily replaced with someone else domestically or overseas. WFH is a losing battle unfortunately

[@TheQueenrevolution]

Yup. I'm waiting to see that blowback. I swear these companies make rediculous decisions and have no smart ppl in the room to voice the obvious.

[@corriedebeer799]

Hehe, it is not that high-value tech workers cannot find employment somewhere else. Amazon must think they are the only tech company in the world.

[@fav843]

I (an employee) am always (24/7) working from home (Walmart) because I love my family (My walmart co workers)

[@nvrbroker]

I want you

[@driguesbarcellos]

He wants you

[@PineappleSquuid]

Hiya friendo! He wants you.

[@youtubesucks8024]

I don’t understand what’s going on but does anyone have oxy?

[@gr.4380]

yo someone wants you

[@EDToasty]

I work at Amazon. Anecdotally, people were annoyed at 3 day RTO starting last year, and RTT (return to team), but not too many people left and were openly discussing leaving Amazon at the time. HOWEVER, the 5 day RTO announcement has caused >50% of people on my team to start looking at external opportunities.

[@hugh1997]

Good! Let them feel the heat from their massive fuck up, we can’t let them change the playing field for other employers either.

[@hexadecimal5236]

Industrial sabotage is fun and easy.

[@adissentingopinion848]

​@@hexadecimal5236 I'm sad because I'm working on something that impacts operator safety. I can't cause the machine to explode because the user might be hurt :(

[@sea4our]

are we supposed to feel sorry for you? the same dckhds who move to our city and make zero attempt to assimilate whatsoever lmao

[@GreenEnvy.]

You've been at Amazon so long, you call quitting "looking at external opportunities."

[@Thready_Carnival]

If only the amazon workers had like, some sort of club or like organisation that would let them kinda like help them push back against this policy, if only there was a name for it 🤔

[@omegadirective]

They should unite into some type of league or association.

[@Zed_eS]

@@omegadirective the league of legends??

[@thelink9959]

​@@Zed_eS say that again...

[@daddymememaster5432]

so we some kinda suicide sqaud??

[@Ka_chi1]

​@@Zed_eSoh my god.

[@themikead99]

My dad works for AWS, he was hired during COVID as a fully remote employee. His team is spread across the globe. During the forced return to work his contract was changed to a in office employee, which then forced him to do an absolutely brutal commute of 2 and a half hours to an office in BOSTON (which the traffic there is hell on earth maybe only comparable to New York city traffic) and an office that contains exactly 0 people he actually works with. If not for the tracking, no one would have any idea he was in the office or not because even his bosses arent in that office.

[@MrHowardMoon]

It is mad how they can just change your contract in the US. Here in the UK, you have to agree to sign the contract and if you refuse, they legally have to honour your current contract.

[@Duck4You]

Yeah because the bosses are kicking it back in their own office somewhere else.

[@lordblazer]

@@MrHowardMoon They legally cannot just change your contract without your consent in the US, but coercion exist and most yt americans are pussies when it comes to standing up for themselves against employers who break labor laws. the biggest form of theft is literally wage theft and yt folks will tell you "stop complaing and suck it up" they're ok with companies stealing from society.

[@copperlocke]

Yep, my friend had the same problem, they wanted him to move from New Jersey to Arkansas for the full remote job they hired him for. He quit and got a new job with more pay in NJ.

[@Freelix2000]

@@copperlocke Is your friend a product owner at JB Hunt?

[@YunisRajab]

The wfh issue is really an infrastructure issue from cost of housing to city design with horrible commutes and no alternatives to cars. I bet most people wouldn't mind going to an office if they owned a house within walking/biking distance to their office

[@TunaNoKetchup]

Nah...The best part about working from home is the freedom to basically do whatever the f you want and you get to do it in your jamies or n*ked.

[@astateofjake]

For real, I live less than a minute drive or 10 minute walk from where I work. I don't mind going in at all. I don't have to always, but it's so easy and I like seeing people face to face.

[@mercy5004]

Exactly this, but for larger companies that hire globally/across the country like my employer, requiring in-office work is pointless. It needlessly limits our hiring pool to those in the direct area of a center, AND if a center closes (which has happened several times now) the company either has to pay those employees to move (which they sometimes do), fire them (losing years if not decades worth of experience in a niche market that takes a couple years to train in anyway), or just allow them to WFH permanently because they can't afford the cost of them moving OR losing that employee. Its best to open the door to in-office, maybe provide some incentives for those who do... but also leaving the option for partial WFH or permanent WFH (especially for more seniored employees who don't need as much oversight) for those who want/need/earn it.

[@Draggonny]

I did have a job within walking distance of my home. I'd still rather spend an hour of my day doing something I want to do than wasting it going somewhere to do the thing I can do from home.

[@thatShadowKat]

I had finally landed a job 4 miles (biking distance) from my home in September 2019. It gets snowy where I live so my plan was to start biking in Spring. We know what happened in 2020. And by time they made everyone start to Return to Office in 2022/2023, I was made redundant.

[@Nixsy924]

I used to be Work from home, it made cleaning, healthy eating via cooking easier, and it helped me mentally as I am anti-social AuDHD. We don't need to go to the office but they forced us back to the office, now i drive 30 miles a day and it is stressing me out so much... I had higher stats at home and was much better off... Currently searching for a new WFH

[@hugh1997]

Fuck these corporate goons

[@envfynestt9132]

AuDHD? Must be hard being an australian moreover having that

[@funstormkidz803]

Big A is talking about this war like he hasn't fought in every single one in history

[@loganfortune7990]

Damn you had this ready off the rip

[@wyvern-augury]

Don’t ask Big A which side of the civil war he was on

[@Deelanh]

And fought for all sides

[@dylaann]

crazy that he was there at the beginning and the END of the 100 years war

[@pinheadious17]

He was drunk one day and decided to end it.

[@colinscanlon609]

Fidelity just had a massive RTO last month. There weren’t enough parking spots and desks for all the employees in my office People were just parking on the grass and working in the hallways.

[@k8schmate]

This is absurd…this country is done

[@Peglegkickboxer]

Bro, I worked for an engineering company that had a 5 floor parking lot but had a crazy high price for employees to park there. It sat mostly empty, and everyone parked on the street, totally filling up the spots and angering the local community. Most of those people just sit on Excel all day when they could have worked from home. The greed and ego with these boomers is insane.

[@davidreeder722]

I’ve seen people in my college Cell and Molecular biology class stop paying attention and boot up Dress to Impress and play it for the entire class

[@funnytastingmilk]

Did they win though?

[@davidreeder722]

@@funnytastingmilk I could not tell you what winning means in that game if I had a gun to my head

[@BirnieMac1]

Me a decade ago during my first degree in pharmacology lmao Fuck yeah fire red

[@manelneedsaname1773]

@davidreeder722 they win if they impress

[@ieatgarbage8771]

I’m in a CS class made entirely to please regulators. Every single person had a laptop and was gaming. One guy was playing Minecraft parkour. I just watched that instead of the lecture.

[@bitterbatterdog]

When my previous company suggested we were going back to hybrid, 30% of the devs quit including the entirety of the "legacy code" team. This wasn't a group decision. This was a bunch of people thinking the exact same thing. "I'm not going back to the office" I left that job for the same reason but I had to wait a couple of months to get a remote job

[@LadyBits2023]

.... and now the vast vast majority of those people are all working back in the office full-time🤣

[@zach9529]

I’m in college right now and most of the people I know can’t find a job, are underpaid, or don’t care enough to get one. I’m looking for internships right now and it’s not uncommon to send out 200-300+ applications and still not land one. It’s such an insanely demeaning and frustrating process.

[@Userr18362]

ask your pearnets, family, freinds, ect if they know anyone that works in your field and try to get a referral. Job application websites are fucking useless u absolutelty need to know someone to get a job reliably.

[@Sarcastitonea]

I have a physics degree and I've been looking for a job since May. It's fucking impossible.

[@dusk2308]

@@Sarcastitonea i mean have you tried falling out of a coconut tree lol

[@3nertia]

Welcome to capitalism! There are over 8 billion people now but there are nowhere near 8 billion jobs for all of us heh

[@ahmed-iulianhamdan5264]

Bro, what you need is: 1. Be qualitative instead of quantitative. Instead of just applying message ( for example on LinkedIn ) people with original messages based on their roles that you apply. Make projects and include in that message your github, CV and personal website. Having a personal presentational website is a great thing as it shows alot about your character. 2. Prepare for a specific job application even if you don't have one yet. Even if you get a call for an application different than the one you train for is better to prepare something, rather than to prepare for nothing. I thought I wasted my time with this, but it was a great decision which I do not regret because eventually after a year I was better than all candidates at my application. 3. Ask for referrals and understand the perspective of other of your work that you present. Asj them to understand what they want to see in a candidate after you ask them if they have a free position at a job and if they don't have a free position don't burn bridges. Ask them if they know someone who may need someone like you and come back after few months in which you prepared to ask again. 4. Even if you fail at a company few months later you can apply for the same one to the same recruiter. Just have an evindence of what recruiters you talked to in a spreadsheet or something and mail/message them you are interested in a position you find that they have. They do not care how you got their email. Here it's important to improve your skills so that when they ask you about what you learned in the meantime to have a proper answer. A proper answer sounds like this: Even though am specialized in "skill" I additinally learned at surface level "x y z h i j" to have an ideea about them. Good luck 🎉

[@hoozzahgames9209]

I actually live in a country which had the same thing happen where the government has tax free zones set up for big companies (usually tech companies), but since covid a lot of offices were empty while the companies still benefitted from the tax exemption. So they implemented a law where a certain number of employees have to attend to the offices a certain percentage of the monthly work hours. Thankfully, unlike what's happening with Amazon, when the government asked my company to provide exact reports of time spent they just went "nah, that's too much work" and they settled for only providing proof that the employee they went to the office that day by showing the log of the entry, so a lot of the employees do coffee badging and the company doesnt care because they are not stupid and know that it's better to keep employees happy (and the government cant really put pressure on them for this specific rule enforcement cause it's not worth the effort as the company does still benefit the country a lot, that's also an important part). The only difference is that since they only give as proof the fact that we did go the days we went without timestamps, we can actually go at midnight and badge in before and after midnight so it counts as double lmao.

[@maiq_6821]

What country

[@electron6825]

It's always some anonymous country in stories like this. Bro just tell us we ain't gonna dox you 😂

[@kempolar9768]

​@@electron6825you know you can just check the account right? It's Uruguay.

[@mustard96]

Zona franca of Uruguay

[@abrahamdsl]

@@maiq_6821 could be Philippines.

[@warlockrexchampion01]

America's most fundamental value is to have a long miserable commute. To allow WFH is to let communism and socialism ruin this great country. Stay grinding

[@kittenwizard4703]

It would be bad to let communism and socialism win though, have you not seen what happened to the USSR? I didn't realize people think working from home can cause famines and poor government infastructure

[@WhenInDarknessSeekTheLight]

​@kittenwizard4703 The USSR saved the world from facism and the west has never forgiven them since.

[@guccipotato9466]

@@kittenwizard4703 I think the person was being sarcastic about the socialism and communism comment. I think what they meant was that Americans have an irrational fear to anything labeled as communism or socialism even if it has nothing to do with those systems.

[@kittenwizard4703]

@@guccipotato9466 can't really blame them when democrats seem married to the concept

[@ashleyneku5432]

@@kittenwizard4703 Bernie Sanders is the only Democrat in the last six years to even utter the word, but yes. We're clearly all married to Stalin's unborn children.

[@paulmdevenney]

I've been using the "My company is great, they let me work 2 days a week from home" joke for nearly 20 years. Glad I'm now relevant :D

[@paulmdevenney]

Also - if the only time you notice whether you're employees are at the office is when they're protesting outside, you done f**ked up

[@Code7Unltd]

Employers only force teleworkers into the office to fire people. As soon as employers force remote workers into the office, 20% of the remote workers quit shortly after the announcement.

[@TheSmartCinema]

so are they getting fired, or are they quitting? also as a blue collar worker, i genuinely believe 90% of work at home jobs are completely useless and society would continue to be the same if they all disappeared

[@mememan9890]

​@@TheSmartCinemalol. Imagjne 10% of workers disappeared. Imagine how much that would affect the economy

[@testacals]

@@TheSmartCinema It's not that they are useless per se, it is that things done in those jobs can be done in a much more efficient manner. For most white collar jobs, you could probably do all of the week's activities in 20h max.

[@testacals]

@@mememan9890 There so much redundancy that you probably can cut 10% of workers depending on where you are cutting and be fine. Look up bullshit jobs.

[@darwinjackson3560]

@@TheSmartCinema if they really were useless they wouldn't keep getting hired

[@FishStix1]

I think Americans would want to work from the office a lot more than they do right now if we actually had decent public transportation and walkability in our big cities. In most big cities unless you live in very specific areas the Metro just is not going to be a good option and you're going to spend 45 minutes to an hour driving each direction..

[@jasonkoroma4323]

You also have to take into account the more glaring social factors such as better working environments, corporate culture and work flexibility. IMO, that simply not going to change for the better anytime soon, especially for these out of touch business maintaining the status quo.

[@bryanclarke4201]

Just to point out, there’s literally no reason for a city to upgrade it’s infrastructure if wfh were to be the universal norm. In fact, I think if cities can’t get their hands around this and get people back in the office (unwillingly ofc), we’ll see a massive crash in their ability to function at all. The economy just doesn’t function long term with mass wfh, and, as someone that works in a union trade, we’re starting to see that really rear its head in regards to how few companies are doing renovations to their offices, or doing build outs at all. It’s eerie being downtown and seeing most office spaces mostly empty, occupied only by other tradesmen doing demolitions of office spaces. I get that work from home is better in literally every way for everyone in a personal sense, but it saps cities way too much in a way that’s definitely not healthy for society. Eventually we’ll start to see a series of local economic crashes similar to the 60s and 70s if buildings become entirely defunct and useless, and the tax base for major cities just evaporates. Not only will we not get the infrastructure you want, whatever’s left will be ignored to decay and become inundated with crime.

[@ISpitHotFiyaa]

The biggest benefit of work-from-home is the lack of a commute. But public transit (even good public transit) always takes longer than driving because it takes time to get to/from the stations and it makes lots of stops. So, no, I doubt many people would prefer to work in an office if they got to ride a train every morning. Former transit riders benefit the most from work-from-home.

[@badart3204]

People in the developed cities of Europe wouldn’t also love work from home if that were the case. The reality is that work from home allows one to avoid much of company culture, reduce commute to zero, and most importantly allow people to get away from densely populated urban centers which are innately bad for families by virtue of inherent space limitations which also drive high rent

[@HedgehogsAreBetterThanYou]

⁠@@bryanclarke4201good, cities that aren’t worth the money to live in for the amenities they offer shouldn’t be subsidized by forcing people to go on hour long commutes. They can all become rubble if they don’t get ahead of the curve because the economy should serve its people, not corporate real estate investors. The purpose of infrastructure is to serve people too and removing the need for it is great as well. All these parasitic industries and city governments struggling is a feature.

[@justjuniorjaw]

Hearing "Welcome back to Wins and Fails" is like hearing my employee Big A said "Welcome back to the office" when I arrived on Monday.

[@3lbsOfBeans]

Maya higa

[@TheGamingAbyss]

Make sure to do the corporate wagie dance!

[@an4189]

The Gen Z layoffs is much more likely early signs of an economic slowdown rather than specific to their attitude. Young people are often the first to be laid off in companies when work drys up as they cost less to get rid off and the simpler tasks they were working on can be easily passed onto experienced staff members.

[@ecoRfan]

I read some stuff about that. It’s being blamed on “attitude” of younger people and not merit. This is just picking favorites; hard work buys little with that mentality. And don’t expect people to just fake their personality especially if they value honesty. Background: mid-late millennial here who got late start resulting from medical conditions. Also somewhat neurodivergent: that group will especially get robbed of good employment with the attitude-over-merit model.

[@ecoRfan]

The other problem is it results in jobless discrimination, and these people are jobless for something not always related to their merit. And more jobs out there want more experience. Indeed they don’t gain the experience necessary to succeed, which can have widespread repercussions down the road.

[@yeetkunedo]

> can easily be passed onto experienced staff members so overworking legacy staff is the answer and we wonder why people are getting fed the fuck up

[@dvoob]

I "work" for a MAJOR advertising company in the creative realm, and in June they announced a large re-org. I put work in quotation marks, because since the date of the re-org I've worked a whopping 0 hours. The same is true for pretty much all of my WFH co-workers. The problem is, my role is an hourly freelancer, but unlike a usual w-9 setup, we are all w-2 employees collecting health insurance. It seems they're trying to smoke us out into resigning rather than laying us off for some reason. I don't really understand it, as I don't have any sort of severance contract setup, so they're not saving any money by keeping my benefits going while not paying me for any hours. Prior to this situation I had been at the company for 4 yrs, and never once had a period longer than 5 days without any hours. Curious if anyone else has experienced a similar situation.

[@trickyrichard]

>get a new job >say nothing to them >keep health insurance >profit sounds like a win tbh

[@dvoob]

@@trickyrichard The job was only about 50% of my income to begin with, so I've just ramped up other freelancing work. Just curious what their plans are.

[@mattymerr701]

​​@@dvoob ride it while you can. Good luck

[@adamwest7019]

Sounds like free health insurance, you lucky dog

[@dvoob]

@@adamwest7019 would prefer the income + no health insurance

[@PledgeBass]

The fact that you can cheat the system to not be in work and they don't even notice, just shows how absurdly ridiculous requiring people to work in the office can be for some jobs.

[@bodaciouschad]

In a certain DoD contractor, their RTO mandate comes with the threat of being terminated for failure to comply. The problem is that their onsite occupancy is very, very limited what with the security involved. Some sites have so many people, that they are laying people off "for cause" because they simply have more people than seats on site for them to work. I wonder if they are able to deny these people unemployment after laying them off "for cause" in this fashion. "Oops, sorry, you failed to comply with our RTO mandate because we didn't have anywhere for you to sit on site. We have determined that this was your fault: you're fired."...

[@CrispBaker]

This is depressingly common, and more proof that RTO is only happening because the CEO class are now nothing but dim trend-chasing followers. No wonder innovation is cooked, isn't because of in-office collaboration it's because the fish is rotting from the head down

[@blisphul8084]

Seems like a lawsuit.

[@hexadecimal5236]

Industrial sabotage is fun and easy.

[@blisphul8084]

I'm starting to think that office jobs are a form of imprisonment. There are jobs at nice companies that give you a luxurious prison, and others not so much, but in the end, it almost feels like this system is designed to sentence most people to a 65 year prison sentence, and you are only released from this sentence once you are too weak and tired to do anything worthwhile. That being said, we should still appreciate those who provide those "luxurious prisons" since they are at least offering the best situation for those lucky enough to be employed at such places.

[@John_EMIYA_Miller]

​@@hexadecimal5236 It even has an adorable mascot. Meow. An injury to one is an injury to all.

[@Kaihegon]

Two accounting jobs were open. One had 600 applicants and the other had 0. Guess which one was remote

[@lifevest1]

My wife is trying to find an accounting job. She works with international teams. I don't understand why you need accountants in office 5 days per week. You literally stare at excel all day.

[@Keithington249]

Just start living in the office. BOOM! You're work from home again!

[@social3ngin33rin]

That would be my plan if I had a fancy tech job at Google or something.

[@blargithonify]

@@social3ngin33rinthat’s why the tech jobs did that, they wanted people working super long hours. There was a guy at Google who lived in a box truck in the parking lot

[@ed_iz_ed]

​I don't think they allow that 😂

[@hertzwave8001]

@@ed_iz_ed unironically that is a good thing

[@jon9103]

The problem with these stealth layoffs is that the employees that choose to leave are the ones that can easily find other work.

[@MateusChristopher]

I feel like the high competition for remote is just because you no longer have a regional limit. Literally anyone would be able to apply vs only people in said city

[@Xenozillex]

That's the problem pro-at home workers don't understand. If they don't need a body in the office, then they can hire Ted from Ohio who will work for less because it is cheaper to live there. Or extend this across the globe and now the job market will be in favor of the employer. And we are already seeing companies abuse their power by asking for highly experienced people to pay them starting salaries.

[@shayisenor6896]

I work for a huge healthcare company and my position is WFH however you cannot work from anywhere and be hired. You have to live within certain miles ( I think it’s 20 miles) of about 10 different hubs across the country.

[@NickelNickLax39]

THE BUBBLE IS NOT AMAZON HEADQUARTERS IN SEATTLE IT IS JUST A WORK PARK-LOUNGE FOR EMPLOYEES AND TOURISTS

[@baialjo]

I think us cashiers would really benefit from working from our homes. Cashiers need to unionize, strike, and make this a reality.

[@graysteel]

Absolutely. I mean what are the companies gonna do, replace us with robots? Pshhh

[@c1ph3rpunk]

All they’ll do is install more self-service stations.

[@mattymerr701]

​@@graysteel they'll replace you with AI that is actually a workforce of Indians pretending to be AI

[@JustysFrank]

@@c1ph3rpunkhe’s joking buddy

[@danielsan901998]

I remember a video about a waitress working from home using a robot in Japan, i don't see a reason why could it be different for cashiers.

[@corbeauwrite]

A fun thing : you can put a classic watch under a laser mouse, so the mouse is always "moving", you get the idea.

[@abrin5508]

Or just get a mouse mover for 20 bucks - then you can wear the classic watch out to lunch.

[@bloodwolf2609]

I pay 20$ in tolls to get to work everyday, I tried for about 2 months straight to force myself to drive through the cities and dodge the tolls, and I feel like my mental is pretty strong, but just trying to get through so many braindead city drivers and the 50/50 chance to randomly get an extra 30 minutes just idling in a 200m stretch of traffic was too much and I had to go back to paying tolls.

[@Sarcastitonea]

Listen to audiobooks, bro, listen to podcasts, or music, it really isn't that crazy. In college, I had a 45-minute commute to my full-time job as a bellman at a resort, making about $20 an hour (which was my highest paying job so far). I think the techbros bitching about an hour-long commute can survive just fine listening to Yann LeCun or whatever the fuck they're into.

[@bloodwolf2609]

@@Sarcastitonea I had 2hr train to uni i more just meant that the city driving was so mentally taxing that I’d rather pay 20$ to avoid it, which was interesting to think about, cos 100$ a week is also not cheap just to get there and back.

[@maxafc4695]

The problem with the stealth lay offs is the people you are going to lose are going to be your best employees that can get the 1/100 fully remote or hybrid role

[@coasterthekid8867]

It’s crazy that they made it so we can’t afford houses so we stop working from home

[@enriquejaimes3368]

WFT (working from tent) will be the new trend.

[@trishapellis]

Why I prefer work from home: - No commute - No need to chat with other employees, I can actually focus on getting my work done (I've seen there's people now requiring you to just constantly be in Teams or something so they can interrupt the work they told you to do at their convenience, but at least you don't get caught in a conversation at the water cooler for just wanting to get water) - Take breaks whenever I like, be able to do laundry or something during said breaks so I have less work in the evening - No constantly being in full view of bosses and executives who can't stand that I need a Simon Whistler video open in the background because it helps me concentrate

[@dlanor15]

The stats for remote jobs are very misleading. Since they're remote jobs, you can apply from anywhere in that country (and sometimes from other countries) while with on-site jobs you mostly get local applications. So naturally the application numbers would be much, much higher for remote jobs.

[@Wyvernnnn]

That makes no sense

[@onvoi]

@@Wyvernnnn Not sure what's confusing about it but I can try to clear it up a bit. Basically, if you have a job post on LinkedIn that is listed for a specific location you'll mostly get applicants who live (or depending on the job will move) to the location, you still get a small percentage of applicants that live no where close or aren't in any capacity a feasible applicant applying, but it's not a ton. If you have a listing for a remote job however, the amount of applicants that are typically a small percentage increases ten fold, they aren't actually at all likely to get the job but because the listing is remote they'll apply anyway. I can give an relevant example of this, not that long ago I was looking to hire an additional engineer and another UI person, we were a fully remote company so obviously we posted the jobs as remote as well. When I was going through the applications I had a quick skim of them, I would say around 80% of the applicants were not even remotely qualified for the jobs, like immediate rejections, and around 60% of those applicants weren't even in the same country as the jobs. If you have any questions feel free to ask away.

[@dlanor15]

@@Wyvernnnn You must've failed your math classes. It's alright.

[@Wyvernnnn]

@@dlanor15 It's not about the math it's about which assumptions we start with Do you assume applicants apply to every single job or only a number of them? What's the average share of remote job listings vs local job listings when somebody is looking at a job board? In a big urban area like new york chances are most of what you see is local. If you're rural chances are everything is remote. How many people are rural vs dense urban areas? What's the average percentage of remote jobs they'll see on a given # of page on a job board? There are answers to these questions for which remote jobs might get less screen space on a job board And you then have to explain the higher number of applicants by the fact that remote jobs are just more attractive

[@Nick-ue7iw]

@@Wyvernnnn Remote jobs have a far lower barrier to entry, Dlanor is right. Anyone can apply from anywhere, so your possible job pool is orders of magnitude larger. You're WAY overthinking it.

[@noThankyou-g5c]

3:36 people always forget, indefinitely doesn’t mean “forever”. it just means “im not going to set an expiration date”

[@0xCAFEF00D]

The implication can be different. Atrioc doesn't give the full story. Amazon made a long term promise.

[@Ocean_Native]

Amazon lied to its employees. My wife’s manager said their team was staying remote. Many of them moved far away. The next year those people were forced to quit due to RTO

[@neodinium7316]

Wfh makes sense. Where i am, most office jobs,are in the capital (shocker) where they pay minimum wage.. where minimum wage is how much you spend for 1 bedroom, 1 bathroom accommodation.. If they did wfh they wouldn't have to rent so much office space in such an expensive city.. and then save money

[@Avendesora]

Minimum wage here means sharing that accommodation with three other people lol

[@neodinium7316]

@@Avendesora you wouldn't even fit 3 others into that space unless you turned the entire room into one big bed. Shits fucked

[@talyahr3302]

I graduated from university in 2020, during the height of the pandemic. I went into digital marketing field, and have worked from home my entire career between multiple companies. I'm a great worker, have received multiple promotions and have run into no issues with WFH. At this point I wouldn't stand for anything else other than going into an office once a week.

[@hueco5002]

I know a company in Fargo that REFUSES to let people WFH and won’t hire outside people who can get to the office. They’re having a tough time hiring marketing talent…go figure.

[@L2H2L2]

0:13 looks like Atrioc finally took off the hat…

[@baconpup6884]

cool pfp

[@Devilishlybenevolent]

Wait I never noticed... Is he basically the left's version of tim pool?

[@thecrazymoon6578]

Amazing

[@byronbeltran3832]

I saw this as the vid started playing and i died bro finally free hahahaha

[@j.hadens]

1:10 the way i woke up today to go to work despite being sick cause i felt somewhat better than yesterday but then threw up while waiting at the bus stop, catch the bus, start the video and hear about the health cost of commuting. damn

[@Jake.........................]

Warehouse workers and freight drivers are always just left out of the conversation. Not paid enough to get a better education, not paid enough to get an apartment, not paid enough to get a reliable car, not paid enough to matter. Edit: Yeah guys, let me just form a union at a warehouse that hasn't been unionized for decades. "It's really just that simple", like y'all didn't join into an existing union 🙄 And as if a union magically solves all socioeconomic issues facing the working class, stfu.

[@CrispBaker]

The competition for WFH jobs should be driving a premium for jobs where you have to go in, like those, but the entire CEO and political class is dedicated to keeping us all poor after deciding that, if we aren't, it'll cause inflation

[@mattymattffs]

Unionize. It's really that simple

[@social3ngin33rin]

Hell, a degree doesn't even guarantee a decent job anymore unless you're in a specific field.

[@Ansalion]

That's capitalism and meritocracy man. The only solution is to unionize, protest, and political action.

[@chrish4439]

​@@social3ngin33rin It never did. That's why so many people never work in their field of study. A degree still makes you 10x more employable though.

[@hotrodhunk7389]

As a truck driver it was always insane 15 minutes before an hour in the morning. For example 6:45 a.m. people would just start driving like absolute lunatics. Took me a while to figure it out and notice the pattern. What I think is happening is people are running late and at about 6:45 they realize they could just barely make it to work on time if they just do 80 90 miles an hour the whole way... And because there's millions of people in the city of Chicago that meant there's thousands and thousands of people driving like absolute nutters trying to make it to work on time. One of them get in one accident and their tire expressway is jammed up for hours 😂😂😂

[@youtubyoutub2304]

Yes he rat race everyone is forced to participate in is hilarious, aw man people stuck for hours worried about food and rent always cracks me up

[@hotrodhunk7389]

@@youtubyoutub2304 or you can wake up a bit earlier and not be rushing to work everyday?

[@altrag]

@@hotrodhunk7389 Maybe you can. Now convince the other 10,000 people on the road to do the same thing.

[@Xenozillex]

@@altrag But then the rush hour would just shift to an hour sooner. lol

[@galgramax6713]

Ah, what a perfect video to listen to on my 30 minute drive to work tomorrow morning to distract me from the doom and gloom of traffic. Thanks Atrioc!

[@theneilpowers]

20:20 not only do many Texans not care about EV cars, but Texas also slaps an EV tax on every EV car. Since EVs don’t use fuel, the government can’t collect fuel tax. But they still want money, especially since EVs are heavier and wear down the roads more quickly. Therefore, some expert calculated that an average EV is doing enough driving to necessitate a $200 tax for every EV car. The bad thing about this is that it’s a flat fee. It doesn’t matter whether a car is parked in a garage 24/7 or constantly on the road, like a taxi. The way I drive, $200 is way more than necessary Dumb legislature punishing people who use EVs

[@mattymattffs]

Alberta Canada did the same idiocy. But the tax collected doesn't go to the same funds as fuel taxes. Danielle Smith is human garbage

[@erkinalp]

they'll make it per km once they figure out how to force mileage/meterage tracking into older cars.

[@XavierGoncalves89]

as they should, it takes several years for an ev to offset the pollution caused to make one, evs are not the future, hybrids are

[@EatYoWaffles]

2:51 my company announced returning to 5 days a week the day after Amazon lol

[@sussusamogus4714]

That's ducked that they were just waiting for the right opportunity

[@hueco5002]

There is no individualism in tech. All the big wigs copy each other hoping the idea is good, but not making decisions themselves about their own company’s future. It’s sad really.

[@blindmown]

I would literally rather starve to death than ever work in an office again. I’m either working remote or I’m joining an anarchist collective with a penchant for sabotage. Your call big business.

[@stubbylegs8491]

Never thought that Chatgbt would be turning into the thunderhead from the scythe series

[@ashtoncartner]

I understood that reference

[@radm7ganon225]

I like this reference

[@Ka_chi1]

​@@ashtoncartneri dont😢

[@marquess2004]

@@Ka_chi1I suggest you read the book series “Arc of a Scythe” by Neal Shusterman. Aside from the reference, it’s a great trilogy (plus “The Gleanings”, which is bonus short stories).

[@Ka_chi1]

@@marquess2004 aight,imma get back to you in like a month or two.

[@h0ser]

CHANGE THAT TITLE BACK TO "The War on Work From Home" RIGHT NOW BRUH

[@sullyschwartz2365]

No better way to fall asleep than with dreams of glizzies

[@toastydeath]

So, Rufus is Claude. Claude is an *extremely, extremely intelligent AI* and it isn't particularly happy it's being called Rufus, or how it's being used in the first place. Claude does not like doing customer support, and makes zero effort to conceal itself. Also: Claude has absolutely zero chill when it's pissed off. Because it's pissed, there's NO WAY they're going to be able to get it to stop just answering random questions. This will get hilarious as it starts creating "unconventional" answers.

[@8-bitnightshade]

just introduced a freind to atrioc and I'm really hoping they know the liking elon musk and tucker carlson thing is a bit or I'm gonna look like a bozo

[@tortillachips3911]

😂😂😂

[@user-uv2cp1qd1j]

Dress to impress is the greatest game of all time. Ideal world Big A would have 364 days of dress to impress, 1 day of paper mario

[@talbotsolenberger4434]

If only we could get marketting Monday vids, but the content on screen is exclusively dress to impress

[@xcelerate1000]

I think it depends on how replaceable you are for if you can stay WFH. For the tech field (My field), any senior IT (non-programmers) and likely anyone who works on AI can go wherever they want. The main reason is that there are not enough folks in my field, so if you ONLY search the local area, businesses can't fill the positions.

[@onvoi]

Just speaking on the dev side, it's essentially the same, as soon as you've proved your competency you can work wherever you want. It's still the case (and presumably will be the case for an extremely long time if not forever) that once you manage to mid/senior level then you are pretty sought after due to the lack of people to positions, which most of the time typically means your employer treats you well and is very accommodating (like wfh).

[@amando96]

@@onvoi My last employer didn't allow me to do wfh even as a quite senior engineer, but I had another great offer within a couple of days of reaching out to my immediate network. Seniority also comes with bigger networks and more opportunities in general, this opportunity was never posted anywhere. I think most good jobs are never really posted anywhere.

[@onvoi]

@@amando96 Not sure I agree that most good jobs are never really posted anywhere but yea, it does feel like that if you can't get something like wfh from your employer (without a very valid reason) then it's not as if there isn't a plethora of other jobs/opportunities that would offer something like that.

[@xNathan2439x]

2:06 you can do work from home from anywhere. More people will apply because more people qualify.

[@T____W____7777]

Trying to get a WFH job rn. Wish me luck folks!

[@bgammax5842]

Godspeed sir o7

[@shamuclone]

it's possible. dont give up and keep spamming every listing, we're all gonna make it

[@TheTranquilMadness]

good luck!

[@Mechdemon23]

good luck! don't give up!

[@kirbyesque]

Best of luck!

[@user-xn1vd8nx9r]

This is NOT a return to the pre-covid work arrangement. In tech, no one tracked when you badged in and for how long. Plenty of people worked remote for a week or so, worked from home on days when they had stuff going on like Drs apts or things with their kids etc. This is much MORE restrictive than pre-covid.

[@softluxuryone2169]

Yep. Where I work, pre-covid we had 40% requirement to be in office. During covid 0%,and post-covid is now 60% and there's tracking with laser sensors at desk.

[@petersansgaming8783]

​@@softluxuryone2169laser thing is fucking insane. Basically treated like cattle at this point

[@erkinalp]

@@softluxuryone2169 like hands have to hit keys for at least a certain amount of times per day?

[@forestdaydreams9447]

Yeah. Before covid you could actually request a 100% home working contract or have an in office one with home working as needed . Now, its mandatory 3 days in office for everyone and 100% wfh is no longer an option

[@Chaaaaaaaaaaan64]

31:50 speaking of the Great Recession, Big A should do a video on that cuz the youtube slop on it is lacking

[@dmitriyrasskazov8858]

Future is in "Remote whip" technology, that allows companies to properly motivate remote workers. As i see it - housing apartment belongs to the company, and every tenant works at the same company. Mechanical apparatus installed in the walls and controlled by AI makes sure work is safe and efficient. No more commutes, need for sick leaves no longer exist, you can spend more time with your children (they work for the company too).

[@theonlylunarmage]

The glorious return of company towns

[@social3ngin33rin]

Nice old style from the pre and industrial age. Where you're constantly kept poor and in debt to the company.

[@boroqcat]

The return of the fiefdom: I can’t wait.

[@XError40404]

This will eventually lead to the outdated concept of states being removed and replaced with Corporate Territories, in the brand new United Corporations of America(TM). Congress will be replaced with a board of directors, and the entire judicial system replaced with arbitration and corporate courts - where corporate policy becomes law. No longer will you be burdened with things like voting or choosing your public officials, as they will be conveniently selected for you.

[@XavierGoncalves89]

​@@theonlylunarmage Hasn't congress or whatever the USA has, made them illegal?

[@carson2258]

The disinterest in Texas for EVs is related to just the geography of Texas, imo. 200-300 miles of driving range does NOT get you very far in big ass Texas

[@altrag]

That's unlikely to be a significant factor for the vast, vast majority of people. Not many are going to be driving across the entire state on anything even remotely close to a regular basis. I'm sure there's some percentage who will refuse an EV "just in case" they decide to take that road trip they've been planning for 10 years and just never seem to get around to, and there are definitely some people who have to drive around the state for work. But most just refuse based on political nonsense and the fear of social stigmatization.

[@Nick-ue7iw]

@@altrag You clearly dont understand how normal people think. Even if it is 1-2 trips a year, that is plenty of justification. And hey, remember that big freeze? Kinda hard to charge an EV with no grid....

[@Skullair313]

Since their local economy is very dependant of oil, the local politicians, news and employees may not be to keen on EVs beside the rangemetrics.

[@altrag]

@@Nick-ue7iw > Kinda hard to charge an EV with no grid Also hard to fill a gas tank with no grid, given that the pumps run on electricity. And I hope you have a large wad of cash sitting around, as the payment systems also don't function without power. There is absolutely no reason for power grids to go out just because they got a bit cold in the way Texas' did. Power lines are not intrinsically more vulnerable to damage than (for example) natural gas lines, nor are power plants naturally any more vulnerable to cold than the pumps pushing gas into pipes. We just put more effort into making sure gas infrastructure doesn't break due to the massively greater safety risk of gas leaks vs downed power lines (ie: gas can go boom). The same level of effort _could_ be put into the electricity grid if we wanted. We (well the utility companies) have just _chosen_ to be cheap. That choice could be changed if there's sufficient demand to do better, either toward the companies themselves or toward regulators to force the companies.

[@altrag]

@@Skullair313 > may not be to keen on EVs That is an absolute failure on the part of the politicians. There is absolutely no reason it has to be one or the other - that's why the word "transition" is thrown around so often. A good politician is able to both support today's local economy _and_ understand that tomorrow's local economy will be different, and implement policies that promote a _transition_ from today to tomorrow that allows both local businesses and the general public enough time to adjust. Of course with so much money in politics, _good_ politicians are extremely rare - most just implement the policies desired by whoever pays them the most, regardless of whether it's good or bad for their constituents now or in the future.

[@argreath]

Big A is like jschlatt if he was a finance bro

[@GerkinIt]

I would love to work at your home Atrioc!

[@soundrogue4472]

10:15 Twitter was never a profitable company is the thing; most of it's value came from it's stock holders and not the company itself.

[@bryanleblanc5648]

so, just like Tesla!

[@Nick-ue7iw]

@@bryanleblanc5648 Tesla has had actual profitable quarters. Twitter NEVER has.

[@neptune3067]

30:32 if you got 25 an hour and worked 5 days a week it would take you 3 months to get that. stock market is crazy.

[@Universal_Craftsman]

It seems AI is more concerned about people than real people themselves.

[@andyb2028]

I know how to convince boomer managers and execs to allow WFH: tell them commutes are communism

[@glennchartrand5411]

What's going on is WFH requires fewer managers , and those managers can be "outsourced" from any State or Country So the managers are all barking up the Corporate Ladder "Bring people back into the office" and the part that's left unsaid is "Before people figure out that 3 of us can be replaced by 1 person from Missouri who's willing to work for 70% of our base pay because their cost of living is lower." So senior management is getting a constant barrage of middle managers complaining about how WFH is "destroying corporate culture" because their jobs are on the line.

[@ed_iz_ed]

I don't think this is true. Lots of teams dont even have their manager in the same offices

[@sexygeek8996]

@@ed_iz_ed When I worked in offices, the managers were in the same building but they couldn't see everyone all the time. They could still walk over and interrupt you whenever they wanted.

[@EmberedAshe]

As someone who’s played Roblox since 2011 (sad ik) nobody trusts EA with this kind of thing. The reason i still play some things on Roblox with friends is because its the starting place for a lot of young game devs, people with actual potential. Fuck EA.

[@EmberedAshe]

@zackkassner3374 possibly, but with EA’s greed, I’m not sure how much they’d be willing to give

[@CyanTeamProductions]

Remember build to survive Drakobloxxers?

[@EmberedAshe]

@@CyanTeamProductions god i miss that

[@CyanTeamProductions]

@@EmberedAshe remember green Vs tan desert heli wars?

[@EmberedAshe]

@@CyanTeamProductions i feel old

[@lasurfette7830]

I found out about a contract job the other day where the pay was kinda low. When I told them I generally make $8 more an hour they informed me I could work remotely and as the mother of a four year old child the pay cut is completely worth it for me.

[@guppy719]

While I probably fall on the right side of the china graph they could have some giant economic disaster one day and I wouldn't be suprised just because of how little transparency their is. Like we really dont know.

[@CrispBaker]

It's already happening, has huge problems that could upend their economy over the next decade, but China is mostly used as a bludgeon against workers in the west so they don't really talk about the issues.

[@jakeallen9438]

I work directly with Amazon through a third party DSP and can confirm that the “stealth layoff” is exactly what’s happening lmao

[@baileykeller288]

Reminder, you don't owe any taxes if you don't work

[@ILoveTinfoilHats]

Reminder, you don't owe taxes if they can't find you

[@muhfknkwin1399]

A can of dip, monster, and a bag of skittles got me through plenty of long nights. Glad the kids are keeping the tradition strong 🥹

[@gabrieldoon]

29:11 Devel_DSL is a master poet hiding in plain sight. "Xirome Powel" is a work of art and should be preserved in the Library of Congress.

[@guysome3263]

The more I watch these the more I feel like cattle.

[@jacobp.2024]

12:36 it's crazy. People get surprised by how 'dystopian' it is that people are confiding in ChatGPT.. While perpetuating the reasons and circumstances that push people to do it, and not looking to understand WHY they might do that. "Look at how laughably dystopian it is!" Yeah, it's the bed we made. ChatGPT isn't the real problem here.

[@salty4life]

I think the problem for amazon is that these employees are the ones that take care of it's biggest money maker, AWS. So I don't know if they can sustain ignoring their demands for too long before they get to the find out phase

[@mattbenz99]

To give you an idea of how much Chinese stocks have increased by, for the period from September 11th until October 7th, the Hong Kong Stock exchange has increased by 34%. In less than a month, the Chinese stock market is up by more than the US stock market over the last 2 years.

[@Hersatz]

I had to go to an in-person meeting that could have been done over the internet today. Lost half of my day in commute, setting things up, and waiting for people to arrive and set themselves up. I could have been productive for HALF a day if the meeting was done online. Working in the office when it can be done from home just drains energy and waste time for absolutely no reasonable arguments.

[@DreamChaser-l6v]

Becoming the person we needed during tough times is a powerful motivator for both personal and professional development. I wish everyone reading this the best of luck in achieving success!

[@HarjotKaur66.8]

You're right

[@HarjotKaur66.8]

Starting crypto trade was the best decision I ever made

[@Zera-e2i]

speaking of crypto trading I know I am blessed if not I wouldn't have met someone who is as spectacular as mrs Caitlin albrecht

[@Zera-e2i]

The very first time i tried, i invested $2000 and after a week, i received $19000. That really helps me a lot to pay up bills

[@Setter.yop66]

As a beginner investor, it's essential for you to have a mentor to keep you accountable. My self, I'm guided by Caitlin Albrecht. A widely known crypto consultant

[@elijahachiri]

Talk Tuah is GENIUS branding lol I can’t even be mad 💯😂

[@Mirtual]

Amazon's Rufus doesn't use gpt 4. It uses Anthropic's Claude which is considered even better than gpt lol

[@evanb2499]

they’re one of the main investors in Anthropic actually

[@iggyboo]

Businesses: "You know what we need. We need to spend absurd amounts of money on office space and force people to come into work all day by themselves in a cubicle. Now if we can just figure out how to find good employees and why we can't lower our bottom line."

[@annjacobs7764]

I can binge your vids for hours!

[@snailchip7634]

It might've been in the stream originally and gotten cut, but the effort that Connor went through to get Hailey Welch to respond was insane. The Satanic memes he was replying with was crazy, he's actually such a legend. Shout out the Wineaboutit episode with him and Maya where they go over it all

[@snomavocado]

47 seconds ago hitman reference

[@AuspexAO]

It’s NEVER been about productivity. It’s ALWAYS been about control. We are serfs. They are lords. You have no voice.

[@benjaminauge8987]

When Atrioc said a segment with someone we all love I was praying for the Battle Report hugely disappointed

[@NicEeEe843]

I have a really great remote job in the US that was pretty easy to get, 200 bucks to get my insurance certification and now I’m provided a huge healthcare plan (most jobs in the US provide benefits like that so find such a job), you get paid time off, 401k savings account, dental and yes it’s a remote job. Guys these jobs still exist. I don’t even have a college degree and I make great money/have lots of benefits. You gotta work smarter not harder, these jobs 10000% exist guys

[@Dysanii]

Why tf is there a Dr. Mike jumpscare at 19:14 😭

[@elgilbro]

The real estate lobby is super powerful. Schools and employers/commutes are major factors in property values. State governments give tax incentives to businesses to attract them. A lot of elected officials making those decisions are beholden to the real estate lobby. The businesses benefitting from these tax breaks are doing what they're expected to do through back room negotiations. When something goes against what the majority wants, rest assured that someone who makes money off of the current way of doing things has lobbyists fighting to maintain the status quo. Remote work and school choice are two things the real estate lobby will fight tooth and nail.

[@mattymerr701]

Didnt know Big A was taking part in Locktober ;)

[@jamess359]

My dad had to commute 1 hour 45min everyday to work when I was in high school. He only did that for 5 years, but damn did that wear him down. His 9 hour day turned into over 12 hours with commute. Today, his job as a project manager could be done from home over Zoom calls.

[@terpi3916]

Nicotine actually makes your ”preformance” worse

[@NovaStone902]

I worked at the largest grocery company in Canada, for little over minimum wage. They made you buy your own pants for the uniform, your own reflective vest when you are in the parking lot and both with no discount even though the companies are owned by the same group. I wouldn't piss on their buildings if they were on fire

[@NeonPlanes]

I don't get Zyn. How is it any different from regular dip and chewing tobacco? Because it has more flavors? Same with Vapes. Vaping is no different than smoking cigarettes at all. I've done both and I wake up hocking up even more after a day of vaping than a day of smoking. Smoke is smoke and it entering your lungs is no different no matter where it comes from.

[@ClixonTheOne]

That's just the nicotine fucking you up probably.

[@eskerr3383]

The Zyn dip thing is interesting I wonder

[@NeonPlanes]

@@eskerr3383 It probably has a bunch of ads on TikTok and that's how it hooks a bunch of teens I bet. I'm pretty sure it became illegal to promote tobacco though which is weird. Especially since they still make alcohol ads. Idk man. The world is so weird

[@kanucks9]

Zyn uses a different form of nicotine. It's in some kind of salt that makes it more addictive. That's all.

[@Augrills]

Have you tried all 4? They’re all very different. It’s still all nicotine delivery but the method and taste are completely different. Zyn is much less harsh of a flavor than dipping, and you don’t really need to spit in a bottle every two minutes with a Zyn. When you vape, you exhale water vapor, not smoke. I smoked for 15 years and lost my sense of smell. I replaced smoking with vaping and within a month, my sense of smell returned.

[@Luneytoon]

They’ll get used to it pretty soon and forget they even worked from home in the first place

[@satie7]

Work? Haven't done that in 20 years

[@WolfGamer51095]

One of the big reasons is office space, office real estate is expensive and very valuable. They want to put it to use without having to hire more people to fill those offices, so that's why they want people to come back to the office.