Why Create Female Clones?

The Bad Batch introduced to us to the first two female Fett clones Omega and Emerie Karr, today we take a look at why the Kaminoans would deliberately clone females.
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[@markfeeney4364]

Imagine just waking up and an entire culture has been created overnight.

[@smartass0124]

Didnt Luke get his Power from his farther

[@BugRib]

What are you guys talking about? Are you both even talking about the same thing? I'm very confused. 🤔

[@bottomgear5821]

⁠@@BugRibone is talking about clones and the other one is talking about idk💀

[@Drak976]

Welcome to feeling old. One day I was cool then I woke up and zoom zooms ran the world.

[@aidanhelfrich4887]

@@smartass0124first technically yes but at the same time the force made him be a new chosen one also why did you mention this?

[@GGBlaster]

The Kaminoans were extremely confident in their idea of perfection. They didn’t see a need to contact the client for feedback or quality checks because, in the Kaminoans’ mind, whatever they produced would be the best.

[@xSoulhunterDKx]

I also believe they do knew that the republic would need the army once they matured hence why they got tasked with it and not another cloning contractor.

[@justluke9166]

It could have been a clause in the contract to not involve anyone until x amount of units where ready to be deployed.

[@GeneralBlackNorway]

The Kaminoans were probably informed that this was hush hush and that it would be politically difficult to procure an army for the Republic until the conflict escalates. However the Kaminoans did say they were getting worried of not hearing back from anyone in such a long time.

[@formes2388]

@@justluke9166 I doubt it was "wait for X time" and more "Wait to be contacted with deployment orders". The Clone army had one job - kill the Jedi. No other solution really existed to deal with the Jedi at scale, and at speed for Palpatine - and had it been revealed: As long as Palpatine was aware it had been revealed, it would be just a moment and the Jedi would be dealt with. All other avenues lead to Palpatine being in charge of the Galaxy - different routes, some a bit longer. But all of them arrive at the same conclusions: There are TWO threats to Palpatines Empire: 1. The Jedi 2. Mandalore Nothing else comes close - and Palpatine was right, except the sheer amount of corrupt inept imperial officers that allowed the rebelion to run rampant and amuk through the entire place. And unironically - it is the clone force that demonstrates to be the perfect tool against both the Jedi, and the Mandalorians. Because Palpatine could not count on supreme power being granted, nor the plot going completely undetected, nor the continued reliability of the seperatist force, and on we go - Palpatine needed lots, and lots of contingencies. He needed a wide range of upset people's ready to tare the republic appart - and the republic in a state willing to apply force and punitive measures to force compliance with the republic. He needed the republic to have a high debt, growing wealth disparity, dissilussionment with the Jedi, and on we go. Basically - Palpatine knew the what, he understood the primary type of tool that would be useful: But engineering the conditions to entrap the Jedi? Those were long odds. And so there wasn't just one way to do it, more like a dozen. And I'll wager getting the Mandalorians to fully remilitarize was absolutely one of the ideal concept plans.

[@Reiði]

I have a wild theory: Omega isn’t force sensitive or at least not enough to use the traditional Jedi abilities. However, her M-count doesn’t degrade which I believe they said that the other clone’s M-count does. Therefore, they want to find Omega to replicate this so that Palpatine’s clones will have a consistent M-count. After all, Asajj Ventress did say that Omega isn’t force sensitive.

[@jackcowling5969]

Not that wild from the wording used in the bad batch implied that Omega has the exact same M count as Jango

[@davidlz830]

That's not a wild theory at all

[@reiatsumata6818]

I mean, wouldn't this also apply to Boba as well, considering he's biologically Jango 2.0?

[@Reiði]

@@reiatsumata6818 probably but isn’t he thought to be dead since he got shot in the head by Cad Bane? Or maybe Omega is the first and so far only clone that doesn’t have a degrading M-count, like how Alan suggested that it is specific to the female genome. Imagine if Palpatines clones are female for just this reason but look like males!

[@davidlz830]

@@Reiði I, that's, trans Palpetine?

[@soopakoopa6461]

I don't have a genetics background, but my initial assumption based on what we know of lore so far is that female clones are just an accident that happens sometimes as the kaminoans figure out how humans work. Omega and Emmerrie are still around since Nala Se and Doctor Hemlock pulled them aside to work as lab assistants, but the rest... Considering the kaminoans would kill off entire batches for simply having the wrong hair or eye color, they'd probably do the same for clones of the wrong sex and not think any further. They'd probably see additional female clones as imperfect products in need of purging in the growth chambers.

[@Himmiefan]

Well, they would have had to have deliberately put together two X chromosomes.

[@FlinzPrime]

Control groups are useful to compare results.

[@jokester3076]

@@Himmiefan genetic males with androgen insensitivity syndrome develop in the womb as female, their anatomically female but completely sterile.

[@erinm9445]

@@Himmiefan Not necessarily. one can imagine a technological error or genetic fluke that would result in degredation of the Y chromosome and duplication of the X instead. Genetic processes aren't perfect, and technologically-driven ones even less so.

[@mangacomics1601]

​@jokester3076 that's when certain chemicals cannot be read but the system continues to develop. They are not women they are males in the shell of a woman. They continue to have all male sex cell production parts. They don't work, of course, but they are still there.

[@napkinx4341]

man this is kinda uncomfortable to think about especially the egg harvesting thing i always assumed they were just artificial

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

It is an uncomfortable truth that when you break a human down to just the basics, you're just sort of left with this reproductive ability. Not a fun idea

[@DanielLCarrier]

A cell is a self-replicating nanobot. Star Wars is advanced, but they're not advanced enough to do that artificially. It would make more sense that they could make eggs replicate, but why would a really insular race know how to do that with eggs of another species?

[@TheMandaloreFett]

@@DanielLCarrierStudy. For science.

[@Arbidarb]

The Kaminoans most definitely are not using donor eggs. Not only would the donor's genome interfere with the Fett DNA, female Fett clone donor eggs would replicate the Fett DNA causing massive problems. DNA going through this process would turn beneficial parts of the DNA into detrimental expressions. It's essentially super-incest. The problem is that you're applying real life "cloning" strategies to the science fiction of true cloning. More than likely the Kaminoans are working directly with DNA through artificial neutral templates than following sexual reproduction like our scientists have done.

[@sakisaotome6753]

@@DanielLCarrier eggs are not like standard cells. eggs are specialized cells that lack the ability to duplicate. they aren't designed to do that. they also only contain half of the necessary genetic data. women are literally born with all the eggs they will ever have. more over they are likely removing the genetic data from the nucleus of the cell and substituting it with the cloned dna from Jango and just using the eggs for its cellular machinery. otherwise you could not ensure an exact genetic clone. the process that produces eggs and sperm randomizes the genetic material. thus getting a child that is an exact clone of jango would extremely dependent on luck. just considering a single chromosome pair you could produce 3 different combinations. now multiple that across another 21 chromosomes and the number of potential variants from the original sky rocket.

[@lorigoshert6667]

I just figure Emerie and Omega were made female in order to hide the fact that they were clones. With Omega, they took the extra step of altering her hair color, so the Kaminoans really wanted to hide her, probably because they were experimenting with Jango's DNA in ways he didn't agree to, and they probably didn't want the Republic to know about all their experiments either. Omega, who is pretty perceptive and observant, had to be told Emerie was a clone. Tech was the only one to realize Omega was a clone. But yeah, it's also possible they harvested Emerie's eggs, which creates an odd family dynamic here.

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

Would that make omega A selfcest clone if she's made from a maple and female clone already?

[@A.K.Michalik]

Aren't all fetus's female? All they did was keep the process that makes the female into a male from happening.

[@mulch895]

I doubt they altered the hair color at least intentionally. For whatever reason some clones just have blonde hair

[@Kull1339]

Worst thing the Kaminoins did was trust that the army they made would not be used against them. They 100% seem like a race to have a back up plan. Either a backup army or a order in the clones to nerve turn against them

[@TheBamaChad-W4CHD]

Don't forget how far ahead Palpatine was constantly. He played chess while everyone else played checkers. They did have a plan to defend themselves against that exact thing but it was changed secretly under their noses.

[@jetstormGaming]

Technically the kaminoins did have an army to fight against the empire but there plan failed

[@Cysco8575]

In Legends the Kaminoans had a secret Clone Army hidden from Palpatine just in case. Inhibitors Chips weren't a thing back then but the behavioral programing to make the Clones obey orders like 66 was implemented and the ones who served the Republic grow to be loyal to Palpatine. I would have like the Clone Rebellion from Legends in Canon since how everything played out make the Kaminoans look like complete fools to blindly trust Sidious, even after the death of Dooku.

[@Kull1339]

@@Cysco8575 Oh, many know of the clone rebellion but they could have done more

[@casualsleepingdragon8501]

Funnily enough, in legends they did make there own clone army

[@blooddixmond]

Kaminoans harvesting Emerie Karr’s eggs is crazy 💀

[@RotalHenricsson]

imma be real, when we still believed in the "unaltered clone"-thing i thought they were just streightup gonna harvest Omega's eggs. Clone Wars and Bad Batch are sort of a little iffy on the timelines; always feels like the war lasted two or three times it actually did so i'm not necessarily against the idea that she was a fail safe plan in case / after Jango died. We know they were running out of his genetic material (how's that even happen, did nobody pack Fett's body?) and they were pretty convinced the clone contract would keep going. Sooooo what'cha do, clone a clone? Nah. You clone a female version *once* and get some stable genetics down the line. Well that or Jango was a transman but Disney would never go for that.

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

​@@RotalHenricssonI mean, I sort of figure that those were what Lamu Su was after.

[@Kull1339]

​@@RotalHenricsson Boba buried Jango's body on geonosis

[@ladarren6401]

😂

[@jaisummons2304]

So the clones are siblings and parents of each other

[@lightningleopard]

I think Emory Carr was a test to see if you can clone a female. Or maybe to create another Omega but with accelerated aging

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

Yeah, Emerie and Omega were tests to see how creating female clones would work. Emerie was just further modified

[@travcollier]

One or both of them being female could also be from a simple random mutation. For example, a mutation which messes up the androgen receptor gene will result in a an individual with XY chromosomes but female typical physiology (androgen insensitivity syndrome). It isn't particularly uncommon. Something like 1 out of 20K of humans IRL are born with a random mutation causing androgen insensitivity syndrome.

[@UbinTimor]

I'm under the impression that Emerie Karr was a precursor to Omega. Emerie was supposed to be the test to see if Jango Fett's DNA could hold a stable M-count to be transferred, I'd assume that they gave Emerie accelerated growth to see if that would have an effect on the quality of her M-count (like maybe to test if the stability of the M-count would be affected by puberty and if that doner could continue being effective after adulthood). Emerie was most likely a failure when it came to what Nala Se was trying to accomplish but she took what she learned from Emerie and perfected the process with Omega which is why Nala Se designated Omega the "template" for future clone troopers once Jango's DNA was completely diminished- labeling Omega would be a good cover for what her purpose really was. Emerie was discarded to work as a scientist as the Kaminoans wouldn't have let her be a soldier even if that's what she wanted and I think that why it feels like she has a little resentment against Nala Se and why she holds Dr. Hemlock in such high regard. while Emerie was developing, Nala Se most likely treated her just as she treated Omega and when Emerie could no longer be useful to what Nala Se was trying to accomplish she was discarded and I think that's another reason why Emerie started out very distant as she was treated like an experiment and thrown away when she didn't meet expectations.

[@metroidnerd9001]

This is basically the impression that I got from the show, too. At the very start of the show, Nala Se says that five (Omega and the original Batch) are "all that remain" of her enhanced clones. She likely made lots of others, but they were the only ones whose enhancements worked, so they were the only ones that survived. Emerie being "discarded" may have even meant she was supposed to die, but Hemlock saved her at some point while working with Nala Se, since it is implied that Hemlock and Nala Se have some kind of professional history together.

[@annieleonhart.4937]

"Ko-Sai, the Aiwha bait." - Kal Skirata probably after this video came out.

[@BismarckDidNothingWrong]

Regarding the segment that starts at 8:36, it's really incredible how confident people can be when they espouse a theory that's explicitly contradicted by the actual lore. In "Identity Crisis", Dr. Hemlock clearly explains that the goal of Project Necromancer was to create a Clone whose blood could absorb Midiclorians from blood drawn from force-sensitives. Like; the show explicitly calls it M-count *transfer* and *not* M-count cloning. This is in keeping with established Star Wars lore (both Legends and current) that force-sensitivity is not a clone-able trait and an ingenious work around.

[@biggsdarklighter0473]

Palps should know better, since in legends darth plagueis made similar Experiments, with the result that newly added midichlorians simply died off when added into another individuals bloodstream. And Palps knew about this, since he had access to Plagueis' notes as we can see in the in the book of the Sith.

[@nimkeejoshproductions]

@@biggsdarklighter0473 Agreed, but what if this is another reason he’s attached to that mechanical arm in The Rise of Skywalker, cause he constantly needs blood transfusions to repeatedly infuse his now-cloned body with midichlorians from other force sensitive donors?

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

​@@biggsdarklighter0473I think the implication is that female clones process midicblorians differently than male clones, hence why Omega is stable and why Rey is so powerful

[@xSoulhunterDKx]

@@rosesweetcharlotteRey is not a clone though

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

@@xSoulhunterDKx Yes, but is also the daughter of a clone, and I honestly don't know of canon or Legends gave us an explanation on how that would effect the Force

[@joshbone9888]

To be fair, i think the kaminoans got feedback from ‘jedi master tyrannus’ and jango fett who could act as a middle man

[@davidlz830]

Oh definitely would Jango look over the project. I mean he has his own son that lives there so

[@generalstarcat9961]

Kaminoan 1: why are you making female clones? Kaminoan 2: gits and shiggles

[@monkofbob]

5:15 A viable alternative is that the Sith were communicating with the Kaminoans, and made the message appear to be authentic from the Jedi Temple and/or the Senate. It would entirely fit with everything else we know about them

[@MeLlamo410]

Didn't we see them communicating with Count Dooku in one episode of the Clone Wars.

[@grandmyotismon]

The point is further emphasised in omega having blond hair, which would indicate that Jango naturally can have blond offspring with someone else with the recessive gene for that colour. So omega lacks the gene Jango had for his trademark dark hair as a result she is bb instead of Bb, which i am sure people that took biology at school recognise.

[@dsb7318]

3:45-4:14 This is why Generation Tech is the best Star Wars channel on KZbin; gets you thinking about the interdependence of economies based on aliens

[@Dragon66898]

If there’s one thing I know about groups of men, it is that if they have someone to call sister, they will do everything they can to protect said sister. Just look at the Bad Batch as an example. Making female clones might have been an experiment to see how much more the male clones would fight to protect their new sisters.

[@kylepessell1350]

Humans do seem to have a natural 'chivalry' built-in where they become protective of each other. We already somewhat see this in the brotherly relationships between clones but this guardian instinct would be many times more powerful if there was someone perceived as weaker (regardless of whether or not they actually are) that would serve as a focus and motivating factor. However, given how alien that Kaminoan mindset is compared to baseline humanity, they likely struggled severely with this concept if they ever tried to implement it at all.

[@Dragon66898]

@@kylepessell1350could have seen it with older clones with the younger clones, and got curious about it.

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

I don't think they would if they understand genetics this well they'd have an intimate understand of human instincts such as our disproportionate inclination to empathize and protect females of our species (which is a problem in the modern age now but that's another issue) it's perfectly logically understandable why a mammalian sexually dymorphic species like humans would protect there females who are the bottleneck for reproduction. You can lose most of your males then reproduce the whole population in a single generation. In real life genetic research looking out our ancestry there was a point where the reproductive average was 1 male to 17 females most like that tribe lost most of it's males to war or hunting or something.

[@travcollier]

Female clones could be due to simple random (unintentional) mutations. IRL, human are born with a few dozen de novo mutations, something like 42 on average. There are several ways individuals with XY chromosomes can develop into females. For example, androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS) is relatively simple... lots of different mutations in the androgen receptor gene can break it, so that ends up being fairly common (around 1/20K humans). You would also get some random variation in the chromosome counts. This happens IRL too, for example Down's Syndrome is usually caused by getting 3 copies of chromosome 21. There are folks in our world with a single X chromsome, XX, XY, XXY, ect. Turner syndrome (a single X chromosome) can have symptoms so mild that folks live their whole lives without noticing they have it. Of course, the cloning process in SW could increase the chances of random mutations and make it even more common. Then there is the whole developmental process. Early in development, lots of genes and pathways are flipping on and off, often depending on particulars of the environment. There are tons of ways things can not go 'typically'. And different secondary sexual characteristics develop at different times. On the M-counts thing... There is no "female only genome"... well, sort of. Mitochondria (the things in cells which make ATP molecules) have their own genomes and are inherited from the egg (with very rare exceptions). Other than making ATP, mitochondria really don't do much else though. Maybe in SW, the 'midichlorians' are organelles which have their own genomes too... It seems likely that Lucas was stealing/riffing off of Madeleine L'Engle's "A Wrinkle in Time" (1962) where mitochondria have basically magical properties. If that is the case, then they would be (mostly) maternally inherited (or from the egg when cloning). ETA: Apologies for the pedantic wall of text... I'm a biologist and hopefully educational info dumping sort of part of the job description ;)

[@heavensangel7962]

Love the Thumbnail! Such a unique, creative, and brilliant way to convay the meaning of this video!

[@Driftking305forlife]

Darth Plagueis the Wise would have loved to collaborate with Nala Se

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

Chat what did he mean by this

[@alexthedemon2203]

@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 Cough cough *anakin skywalker*

[@dherian]

@@alexthedemon2203 so you are implying, Anakin was the Omega, of Plagueis´ Cloning Program? Whcih was a bit more... conventional? Like surrogacy, and Shmi was paid to never talk about it, or else?

[@casualsleepingdragon8501]

It's a shame he tought his apprentice everyþing he knew

[@duelgundam]

Imagine if there was a VERY OCD, business-oriented Kaminoan in Tipoca City's General Affairs department, and called up the Jedi Council WAY before Obi-Wan went there. Mace: This is Master Windu of the Jedi council. Who is this, and what is the purpose of this call? Kaminoan salesman: Hi, this is Avin Sun of Kamino, I'm calling about the Clone Army that your colleague, Master Syfo Dias and Tyrannus ordered from our biotech research division for the Republic. There's a couple of administrative details that I'd like to iron out with you all, is that alright? Mace: .....what? Kaminoan: Yeah, look, I know part of the agreement was to be "no contact" with you and the Republic for another 5 years, but something has come up in the labs that I thought we need to discuss. Mace: No, not that. It's...I only know of _former_ Master Syfo Dias, but I know nothing of this "Tyrannus" you speak of. _Later, after Palpatine was briefed by the Jedi on the discovery_ Palpatine: _*calls Dooku_ DOOKU, WHAT THE FU- _roll credits_

[@demars145866]

I thought that at some point after losing Omega the Caminoans were looking for Boba but couldn’t find him. Boba = Alpha = first, Omega = last. She is Last of the original DNA specimens. The rest are clones of clones.

[@showxating9885]

A contract is a contract. I can't remember whether or not the Caminoans were paid up front. Surely, they had at least 50% up front under the most equitable of circumstances, but if you got it all up front, the only thing left to do is wait for them to mature, then wait for activation.

[@THATfishguywithfish]

and if the rerpublick didn't want to pay them, tha, they still had a good argument in form of an Army to get the money

[@RotalHenricsson]

@@THATfishguywithfish iirc Plagueous bankrolled the entire venture so i'd reckon if Syfo... how do you spell that guy? if Syfo Dias didn't pay the entire first wave off there must have been *at least* a substantial front payment. Sort of fits in with the way the Senate only ever got a problem with the slave child army they got when it was time to order more clones - as in: pay for them.

[@kingofrivia1248]

Because Emeri Karr is incredibly hot. That is reason enough.

[@dirtydeesenpai]

I saw a story about two baby girls who were made in a lab using CRISPR and how they were given immunity against various diseases, but their estimated lifespan is 50 years.

[@elevatedmeance6807]

you taking about the incident in china, two girls got CRISPR genes that made them pretty much HIV resistant. The doctor who did that got the hammer slammed down on him by not only the international science community, even the CCP though he was absolutely reckless with what he did, got his lience revoked and prison time

[@hazb8026]

That's highly exaggerated rumour. They were not created using crispr. They were edited....supposedly to reduce chance of them contracting HIV from their parents. The scientist was imprisoned as it was germ line editing. As in their genetic alterations will be passed to their children

[@equalsmacsquared]

The girls you are thinking of are known by pseudonyms Lulu and Nana. He Jiankui was a researcher who, illegally, made germline genetic mutations to existing embryos using CRISPR which supposedly makes them resistant to HIV. This is a mutation which can occur naturally in some populations. The embryos were then implanted into a woman who gave birth to the twins. I wouldn't say they were "made in a lab" more than any other baby conceived through IVF and there is, as far as I'm aware, no reason to believe their lifespans will be effected.

[@stevenschnepp576]

I also question the methodology used to arrive at that lifespan estimation.

[@dherian]

@@stevenschnepp576 pretty easy, we can already estimate maximum life expectancy by monitoring cell degradation and renewal rates. Once they reach equilibrium, you have pretty much reached end of warranty, and after that we face near exponential failure of renewal, which eventually leads to death. Which is essentially why all attempts at prolonging life these days aim at increasing or keeping cell replacement at a high rate.

[@fkim9617]

I think I found an error of one of your theory. Count Dooku was getting in contact with the Kaminoans before the clone wars, probably saying that he's associated with Master Sifo Dyas. Remember, Dooku was the one that offers Jango for his DNA to create the Clone Army (Star Wars Bounty Hunter). Also he ordered the Kaminoans to put the organic chip inside the clone army for the Order 66.

[@Dragoninja26]

I was thinking that too, don't think it messes up most of the idea though The "Force-sensitivity genes are only in females" idea certainly seems wrong from what we've seen with Anakin's and Padme's children being powerful in the Force though. It could be though that it's in both but for now the scientist only found it in a female, but really I don't think that idea works

[@dawidjanik545]

"unaltered" but she's female so she's not an unaltered clone, her gender was changed. Also she's blonde and Jango had black hair. Disney is either dumb or it's bullshit

[@SpottedHares]

I mean the Kaminoins expert cloners, but nobody said they were expert military tacticians. I mean, isn’t it canon in both legends and current that they outsource pretty much everything apart from the clones themselves. So it makes sense that there’d be a lot of experimentation with the first batches to figure out exactly what they needed for an army, they weren’t military experts.

[@RotalHenricsson]

Rothana Heavy Engineering did the vehicles, i'm not sure who did the weapons, but the Phase 1 armor was (at least in Legends) designed by the Kaminoans. Apparently *very* tight in places you don't want them to be tight because the Kaminoans weren't all too familiar with the human bodyplan. And didn't care either; if they started to experiment those experiments had to have been a somewhat recent affair cause about 8 to 9 years-ish's gonna be the earliest the first clone's going to complain about his adult-size-armor being uncomfortable.

[@SpottedHares]

@@RotalHenricssonmore experimenting with what exactly the clones they were gonna mass produced would be at the end, it was after actual practical combat that we start getting the Phase 2 Clone armor.

[@TheFirstCurse1]

That doesn't make sense though. Simple research would show that males are stronger, tougher, and faster than females, and that they're just overall better for combat. They wouldn't have experimented with gender to see which is better for combat. It's something else.

[@nickm9102]

​@@TheFirstCurse1 part of the research could be psychological as well. It has been seen that in combat situations men are more likely to try and protect the female or become enraged with their death which could be the goal. A clone that by design is ment to rally the troops in a combat.

[@mike-0451]

@@nickm9102I don’t think cloning women so they can die in battle and enrage their simps is a good strategy. Disney just wanted a woman clone because politics.

[@lizliz3974]

The egg theory is messed up but it's the one that makes the most sense

[@aviatorengineer3491]

If you're gonna be meddling with genes in cloning, being able to change the clone's sex without otherwise altering any attributes might be a good benchmark for how deeply you can fine tune the product.

[@swedishviking9124]

It could also be useful to have a set of women clones for undercover operations on certain planets. I imagine there are quite a few matriarcal societies in the galaxy that a female clone would have an easier time infiltrating than a male one, especially if you kept the female clones secret.

[@nickm9102]

​@@swedishviking9124tactically speaking, this is the best explanation I have seen so far. A recon and potentially deep cover unit.

[@mike-0451]

⁠@@swedishviking9124You would just hire a mercenary in that case. No need to waste money on an entire additional project including training and armor, etc. What probably happened is that Star Wars writing team wanted to have a female clone because of the patriarchy blah blah blah.

[@stevenschnepp576]

@@mike-0451 Patriarchy - or someone has a fetish.

[@KraytDragon1138]

Ever since TCW season 6 with Nala Se and Llama Su talking with Count Dooku and seeming to trust Palpatine i assumed they had been in on a lot of the siths plans from the beginning, meaning that they wouldnt have been expecting contact from the republic before Obi got there

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

I'm not sure Lama Su was super in on it, but Nala Se certainly was

[@edwardheppenstall8690]

They didn't know it was Dooku, they call him tyrannus, and after the holo call Lama Su comments that "those jedi are an odd bunch"

[@gingivitis9148]

Just one thing about making a female clone from male DNA, their is gene that if it's turn off it'll make an xy individual express femalesex traits. I don't think I'd be that hard at all if you know it's there.

[@gingivitis9148]

I can't find the specific gene I was thinking of, especially coz it genetics, but it's one of the cause of Swyer syndrome(Xy female).

[@bakatronix]

Alan is such a treasure with his detailed and researched videos. He is our Qui-Gon and let’s hope he never comes near a light saber.

[@jfb173jb]

Another complication with cloneing is that the clone tissue has already aged. Therefore the ability to replicated cells is reduced even before the lifeform is truly formed. Which in turn leads to the mutations like cancer cells, due to miss replicated cells.

[@nikolaisikes6245]

Kamino was also pretty well isolated and out of the way.

[@TheImmortalBloodwolf]

Or maybe they have a organic synthetic biomass designed specifically for cloning. You put in the DNA from the life form you want to clone, and it completely replaces the egg... I would imagine this being a paste like substance that they could Mass produce rapidly...

[@Raeinok]

Cause the Emperor needs his Sisters of Battle, duh.

[@nissutobor9078]

Or, the Emperor is actually trans, lol. After all, he didn't seem very distraught over the idea of taking Rey's body.

[@RotalHenricsson]

@@nissutobor9078 Given how he gets off of Force Lightning i would actually totally believe that he gets his jellies no matter what equipment he has, and since everyone is beneath him anyway it don't matter what he looks like. Shit, Fam did nothing to fix his face for 20-odd years either.

[@nissutobor9078]

@@RotalHenricsson You have a point. I was largely joking. Disney would get absolutely crucified if they made Palps trans, lmao.

[@RotalHenricsson]

@@nissutobor9078 yeah i know ^^ ...technically his soul in a cloned body would be trans*fered* though :D (I'll see myself out.)

[@nissutobor9078]

@@RotalHenricsson lmao

[@alessiodecarolis]

Perhaps Emerie was a "prototype" for a particolar clones' batch, the Kaminoans are scientists, and very good at, so they could've tried various types of clones, the male ones for fighting, the female ones were intended for administrative/support/medical duties, as from WWII onwards Earth's militaries had started to employ female personnel, freeing male ones for front line service. Then , perhaps, something went awry and the female clones' project was discarded, with the few produced employed in other facilities.

[@GGBlaster]

Lately, I’m not totally convinced that Omega is unaltered. The pale blonde hair, the kind disposition, her empathy, her strategic aptitude, and this ability to accept high M-count donor blood; all point to some tampering with her genes. If anything, Emerie Karr is the more unaltered of the two, with the only really noticeable exception being that Omega had no age acceleration done to her.

[@erinm9445]

The blond hair is the one thing that is clearly, obviously altered--whether intentionally by the scientists or some kind of error in the lab--and it's very weird to me that no one in the entire show has ever mentioned it. And the M-count transfer thing is mysterious, particularly since Nala Se seemed to know about it. But strategic aptitude seems shared by all of the clones, and the empathy and kindness could be due to her being raised by Nala Se; there is a genetic component to these personality traits, but environmental influences seem much more important, there's no reason Jango himself couldn't have been empathetic and kind in some kind of alternate timeline.

[@TimberlakeTigerGirl]

I think when they say unaltered it's referring to her not having growth acceleration like the others. Besides, the blonde hair is explainable as Jango's mom and sister had blonde hair so the genetics were in him too. And since when does having a different personality than the original host count as genetic tampering? As for the M count; that is probably just some force mumbo jumbo that was beyond anyone's control.

[@doubt3430]

​@@TimberlakeTigerGirlpeople forget that for what little hair he had... Rex is canonically blonde as well

[@GGBlaster]

@@TimberlakeTigerGirl Personality is an interesting facet of the nature vs nurture debate. Lately, there have been findings that indicate that genetics play a more significant role in personality traits than previously thought (for example, iirc there was a gene identified that contributed to antisocial personality disorder). It’s true that kindness and empathy are not purely genetic, but it would be naive of us to assume that it’s always 100% the way someone was raised, especially in Omega’s case. The Kaminoans, Nala Se included, exhibit very little empathy, kindness or nurturing disposition. While, yes, Nala Se has been _more_ nurturing to Omega than is typical for Kaminoans, based just on what we’ve seen, it’s not nearly enough to account for Omega’s personality. That’s why I lean towards her having some genetic predispositions.

[@TimberlakeTigerGirl]

@@GGBlaster Just because someone was raised in a less than ideal environment doesn't mean they have to turn out bad. Look at Zuko from ATLA. He came from a line of genocidal warlords and was abused in just about every form possible; even having his face burned. Yet deep down he was always a kind but dorky kind of person who was forced to act tough in order to meet expectations.

[@TheWarmachine375]

I wonder if Emerrie will eventually suffer the age acceleration side effect like what happened to the rest of the male Fett Clones who became old men despite being chronologically younger.

[@BARALover96]

she has to have it. pretty sure most clones would still be children now

[@jamespremo4152]

Nope. She possesses the added girl boss gene.

[@1BobaFett]

​@@BARALover96 You are correct any un altered clone would be a child still

[@cloudmaster182]

"Accelerated aging Side effect where they became old men" that's kinda the whole thing.. accelerated aging accelerates the aging process.. so she probably will age in an accelerated manner yes

[@sheevpalpatine8243]

@jamespremo4152 gaslight gatekeep girlboss

[@JuliaJuanaAlvarez]

I´m actually surprised Emerie is the only one of the regular female clones. Would make perfect sense to have female Fett clones as doctors for medics and research. Male clones for the frontline service and combat and female clones for lab and hospital work. Would also help keeping the Fett dna alive I guess

[@GirlPainting]

the thing is, everybody is saying that Omega is force sensetive because she has a high M count....but that is NOT the case. Her blood has the abillity to recive Mediclorients, without degrading! That is a HUGE difference. I think the goal is not to produce a clone body for Palpatine, but to have a female clone, that could be pregnant and produce an offspring, palpatin could posess. We all know that his son, who is the father of Ray will be in the picture in some time. I think the direct cloning of Palpatin himself is way off at this stage.

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

I definitely think Omega will be Dathan's "mother," yes, but there is one theory that Nala Se knew Omega could sustain an m-count because she already injected her with midichlorians

[@Spartacus547]

My guess is so that they can fuck with the male clones, "you just said your sister is hot you're a total perv" "I got to tell her why I got weird, and for God's sakes I got to treat her like a sister" clone trooper Joe call sign dirt

[@Auvas_Damask]

And as soon as the Republic Army was official and the Jedi got involved in the whole thing, the Kaminoans even complained about that the Jedi simply have too much compassion for beings created in a laboratory.

[@armedairplane1480]

M-counts can definitely be passed from fathers to their children based on the fact that Luke and Leia inherited their abilities from their dad.

[@RX552VBK]

Omega is one of my favorite Filoni generation characters.

[@SimpleMan-dh7mg]

Me too

[@chalk3323]

Any time I watch your videos I'm just so thoroughly impressed. Very professional presentation with such deep insight and research

[@HMB106]

I think Emerie was created accidentally due to the Kaminoans being unaware of human genetics. And they gave her the advanced ageing before they realised she was female. They then kept her so they could better understand the difference between male and female humans

[@Straswa]

Great video GenTech, always enjoy your content.

[@mbphilipblack8993]

For Research purposes of course 😮‍💨😏. The Kaminoins were crazy 🤣🤣

[@nathanieljackson5554]

Omega and Boba are the only clones with pure Fett DNA. Perhaps creating the female clones happened during the attempt to create Omega and simply kept as lab technicians or nurse maids for the first generation of clones. They seem to be the same physical age as their male counterparts so they probably around the same age or slightly older than Omega.

[@Fortnite_Frost_Clips]

Ever since I was a kid watching the clone wars I’ve always wondered why there wasn’t any female clones and it’s a shame we still don’t get a proper answer

[@THATfishguywithfish]

~10:00 Anakin passed down his force sensitivity, so it cant come from just that maby its the force sensitivity is recessiv in cloning, so when there is a y cromosome it dosn't work. Another theory, that I have, is, that force sensitivity is maby blocked, when accelerated groth is in the play. this means that maby only a normal growing and female clone can be used for cloning force sensitivity sorry, I might have missspelled some things, becaus I'm not english

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

I mean, Anakin was a weird human, but he and his children were not clones either.

[@THATfishguywithfish]

@@rosesweetcharlotte but this argument was about the corralation between X-cromosomes and inheritence of force sensitivity

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

@@THATfishguywithfish True, but that's why I'm not sure it's exactly this

[@ryancoker8198]

Well, the Sith took control of the Fett Clone Army project, so they only needed to communicate with the Sith.

[@orvilleortiz8616]

There is a very personal connection between Omega and NaLasé, if you notice the pendant on NaLasé’s head is also on Omega’s head sometimes, it is on this video if you go back, possibly Omega was created by NaLasé for storing more raw DNA? The M count that Palpatine so much desire that he had bounty hunters all over the galaxy to search for force sensitives, and only had what 3 then 4 with the baby and lastly Omega but that was their ultimate mistake because Omega was trained by the Bad Batch, Hemlock underestimated Omega just as Palpatine underestimated Luke Skywalker (The real Luke not Woke Luke)

[@brandanpalmer]

So from a genetic perspective, creating female clones would be “easy”. All babies are initially created female, before the Y chromosome is attached and the child becomes male. Female is the “default”. (I am in no way a scientist. I’m an engineer, I just remember the spark notes of this phenomenon from high school). So due to that, a female clone is easily explained. As for why? Well… an accident, for one. But more likely they were for specific purposes. Omega was clearly a pet project of Nala Se, but she was probably always intended for a form of project necromancer. Probably on the direct order of Palpatine or Dooku.

[@Itachi45481]

male or female maybe being a genetic copy doesn't always mean they have to be the same gender at least when shows or comics etc have clones a lot of the time there's at least one or 2 females maybe its just a trope like x23 from xmen is a female clone who also got a clone

[@hexazalea]

Well if the Kaminoans are doing the gene modding they're paid for they presumably can isolate individual genes and chromosomes so they might beable to put them into "blank" eggs made via stemcells. Of course this is assuming they haven't made gamete producing "Organs" that just live in a tank and churn out the desired cells. The issue with this is if they cant control the specific chromosomes in each gamete there's a chance you get something insanely inbred as opposed to being a clone or a sibling. Imagine having only the worst surviveable and recessive genes in your "clone".

[@AureliusRuiz]

Maybe the Y chromosome was damaged after so many cloning. Or the Kaminoans were curious about Jango Fetts' mother appearance . Maybe they have a fascist rejection on male working on science/ health endeavors.

[@bigbitehood1353]

I understand conceptual what is meant but there's just something grammatically incoherent about a "unaltered female clone" like yeah definitely altered from the original source but I understand they mean "just like Boba"

[@20th_century_Ghost]

Another great video, Allen. 🖖🏼

[@guybrushthreepwood362]

Because an entire series of nothing but Dee Bradley Baker talking to himself would be very weird

[@debbralehrman5957]

Alan why does my head hurt after I listen to your videos?😄😄 Not really I love them. You give us something to think about instead of just taking things at face value. Thanks a lot!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@krzosu]

What i found weird about Kaminoans with knowing their mindset was that they didnt change themselves to be able to live underwater - that seemed the best way to go since their planet turned into a waterworld.

[@pablogr6960]

Yeah, sure, Luke got his chosen one force connection from padme

[@pendremacherald6758]

Because one guy can’t voice literally every character.

[@bananafoneable]

I mean they did have an Irish one

[@elysainempire4628]

@GenerationTech Austin from The Science on the Game theory did a video that covered mitichorian. George based the Mitichorians off of mitrocondria, which can only be pass down by females and the number isn't determained by the parent.

[@hatac]

Very good. I've been talking about this from the first episode on the Bad Batch. One thing everyone misses is that chromosomes contain errors (at least in this galaxy) so you can't just take the same X chromosome and duplicate it to make a female clone. You get the same bad results as incest. The mutations match up. We have two of every chromosome, except Y, so there is a miss match created to cancel out the mutations. They need another female donor. Omega is about 12 so she's cloned early in the clone wars, about 31BBY, a year after the battles on Naboo. The available donor would need to be someone Sheev Palpatine respects and 'trusts'. That would be Padmé Amidala Naberrie. There is a female Fett available, Jango's older sister, last seen on Mandalore in an insane asylum's. Padme is a better option. An organizer, diplomate, healer (she was in the medical service before joining the government office). She's also handy in a fight. She has the genes they need. Jango is the warrior template but they also need a medical corps for the clone army. In the post war period the Republic would need a person to rebuild and that needs to be a diplomate healer not a warrior. So whether its a Kaminoans project the emperor did not fully know about or part of his plan does not matter, the female clone with both Jango's DNA and a dash of Padme's DNA fits the bill. Yet there is another variable: "the force is strong in the family" and that has too mean Padme had a little force potential. That passed on to Luke and Leia but it also went to Omega. She's not a force user but the trait Hemlock seeks comes from the mothers side of the family but only Nala Se would know that.

[@mitchellhayward6492]

I want to point out that we've seen mutations in clones before, unplanned mutations. In The Clone Wars series, we've seen a clone instructor with hair-loss, and another with the sides of his hair gone grey, even though they both would have physically been in their 20's. Though for all we know, those 2 examples are related to combat stress. Then of course, there's the OG 99. So with that in mind, I always assumed Omega's gender was simply the result of an unplanned mutation, and she got relegated to a non-combat role. Perhaps she wasn't the only one.

[@anthonyfilshie1002]

I took it as they started sending selective offshoots to people in the republic/empire. As if When empire started to get more active with them they just started shotgunning ideas. And female clones was just a broad category.

[@historyking9984]

Um if Omega is unaltered why is her hair white. I guess she could dye it but she seems like she’s far too young to think of doing that

[@nerdwatch1017]

Maybe they just wanted to give the males some female companionship and made them some females. One thing I really look forward to is Boba & Omega meeting maybe somehow able to sense there related

[@equalsmacsquared]

I would assume that even when cloning, random mutations still occur. Also there are intersex people with XY chromosomes who develop similarly to those with XX.

[@devo1977s]

Well an average female has around 300k to 400k eggs so they would only need a handful of them to make a army.

[@arti2901deer]

Insert joke there: The Empire had to cut payment on someone ...

[@skipperg4436]

Females have better tolerance to G-load (due to having shorter limbs and being shorter overall and having higher natural tendency to have high blood pressure) thus it would make sense to make female clones to be pilots of atmospheric vessels. That said, in SW judging by what we see even the most junk craft have some kind of "inertia compensators" thus this is probably irrelevant...

[@smartass0124]

Didnt Luke & Lea get their force Power from their farthers

[@technetium]

To quote a Naval aviator I know on the subject of high blood pressure, “short fat smokers are great at pulling Gs”

[@henriquesouza8704]

Seeing as midichlorians are basically a play on mitochondria, I think the theory of midichlorians coming from the mother is really cool, since that's what happens with mitochondria as well.

[@CommandRedstone]

Great stuff👏🏿👏🏿

[@Firestorm_0216]

I know midi-chlorians are not mitochondria, but hear me out. Gonna nerd out with my Bio degree 🤣 11:09 Mitochondrial DNA is usually inherited only from our mothers, unlike nuclear DNA, which is inherited from both parents. Basically all the mitochondria come from the mother's unfertilized egg cell. The egg cell then replicates after fertilization, copying the mother's mitochondrial DNA in each cell division. If midi-chlorians work the same way, you could create a regular female Fett clone, to harvest her egg cells. The Kaminoans would then alter those egg cells to contain specific mitochondria (midi-chlorians in this case). All subsequent tests would be to create FEMALE force sensitives from the altered eggs, because if they get it right, it's much easier to replicate for the next lineage by harvesting her (in this case Omega's) successful midi-chlorian egg cells to create male or female force sensitives.

[@Firestorm_0216]

Btw @GenerationTech I love your channel. Thank you for all the Star Wars content. My allegiance is to the Republic, to democracy.

[@ianbelletti6241]

"Omega is an unaltered clone..." False. Jango was male. Omega is female. She is altered because they removed the Y chromosome and doubled up the X chromosomes.

[@killingragethrowback]

I always assumed Palpatine and Dooku had a proxy keeping tabs on the Kaminoans, at least rubber stamping the reports and sending them up the chain.

[@afterfake13]

Are the Kaminoans mad scientists that might say, “Why not?”

[@kernowpictures2002]

8:13 or as Dr Ian Malcolm put in Jurassic Park “yeah your scientists were so preoccupied whether they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should” “ you stood on the shoulders geniuses before you even knew what you had you, patterned it, packaged it and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox and now you’re selling it. You want to sell it”

[@SuidicalRaccoon]

10:40 a theory i heard is that her name isnt Emerie Karr but MRI-Karr wich is more fitting alongside hte number clones get. no idea what the karr stands for or means, maybe its CAR, another acronym, and that she took it as a name as she works with other named personel

[@amarured]

Because of the video title I dreaded this comment section BUT turns out: Hats off to this community! The BS detector is very low and I love y'all for it. I know. I know. Sad that this basic minimum of decency has to be commended these days. But imma do it anyway. Stay awesome.

[@akrinornoname2769]

Personally, I always just assumed the two were either trans, or some form of intersex.

[@blakeetter280]

if you just consider the movies i agree the kaminoians are weird for this, but remember they were working with dooku who wanted this to be a secret. its not unusual to not call the client when jango fett is on station to handle that, he probably just told them he was relaying orders for the republic and not to contact the republic through anyone but him. the sith went to great legnths to keep the army hidden, it would only make sense for them to have a way to keep the cloners from becoming suspicious. or they knew the whole time and didnt tell because they aligned with dooku.

[@Angelfyre.]

You’d make female clones to take over intelligence, logistics & other roles so all male clones could be on the frontlines

[@TheWarmachine375]

I think it would be a bad idea for Kamino to mass produce female Fett Clones alongside their brothers. Because of the severe casualty rates happening in the battlefield and that there's the unsavory characters wanting to take advantage of them if you know what I mean and get away with it since to the Republic, Clones are not people anyway.

[@CedarHunt]

It would mostly be a bad idea because the point of the cloning program is to create an army of slave soldiers and creating a bunch of female clones would be a waste of resources.

[@Himmiefan]

That's the problem. The Kaminoans and the Jedi and later the Empire thought that the clones were drones when in fact they were people and naturally have all the attributes of being people.

[@mactruccsmacktruck1176]

I find it hilarious that there are two highly controversal topics just casually placed into the video, one' Taiwan is a country' and two, 'sex is determined by your chromosomes' lol

[@saschawagner5167]

Why being so resirictive to require eggs? Cellcultures and organ cloning wouldnt require it and given this is suposed to be advanced cloning this seems be be a step backward. Every cell has the bluepring for the whoule plus the setings what it is restricted/not restricted to be. Loning itself is creating a perfect copy so since Jango wasnt force sensetive it would be make more sence to get genetic material and isolate the parts wich are coresponding to create high m counts an splice them to the known and tryed jango clones to test for a good fit to what is to be the desired result.

[@peterbui3733]

I had a thought that perhaps to reduce the cost of cloning the Kaminoans entertained the idea of surrogate clone mothers using female Jango templates to give birth to new Clones rather than relying on hardware.

[@4mobius280]

We do have some evidence that force sensitivity is not passed solely by the maternal line. Anakin Skywalker fathered two Force sensitives with a woman who wasn’t Force sensitive

[@tkristopher93]

In universe reason for female clones is same way ct-99 was born some accidents happened and lost the y just my thought anyway

[@metroidnerd9001]

The X chromosome was almost certainly duplicated in some form, replacing the Y, as opposed to the Y just being lost. Having a single X chromosome gives you Turner Syndrome, which carries with it a host of chronic disorders. One of those symptoms, coincidentally, is being very short, which we know Omega doesn't have because she's as tall as Hunter in the finale.

[@madestmadhatter]

I think they were paid up front, I mean, it doesn't make sense to take payment on delivery when you don't only make them but also raise them.

[@thalmoragent9344]

Interesting. If it's true that the Midichlorians are more likely to pass on from mother to child rather than father, then we have to consider Anakin as an anomoly. Cause Luke and Leia definitely get their insane Midichlorian counts from their father and not their mother.

[@nolan20expert]

Hey Alen, if you see this, great, if you dont oh well, but I've been a long time viewer of yours for awhile and it wasn't until recently that i haven't been able to watch all the new star wars content the week its releases by Disney. I'm in college now and don't have the ability to watch things like the bad batch until I get home for breaks and that makes it difficult to avoid spoilers. I want to keep watching your videos, but sometimes things get spoiled unintentionally. I guess what im asking is, mabye in the description of your vids you could put what episodes content are involved in these episodes, and if not thats perfectly fine. I enjoy your content and will watch it eventually, once I am able to watch the episodes of the bad batch.

[@tokageki]

I kinda just assumed emeri was a clone of someone else by some cloning company that just sells purpose made clones.

[@gbonkers666]

Because there are things that you can do with a female clone than that you can't do with a regular female..???