Why current lags voltage in an inductive circuit (explanation

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@abhijitha8867
@abhijitha8867 4 жыл бұрын
This is just explaining the waveform with the mathematical equations.Actual fact is that when current flows through an inductor an emf is induced which will oppose the cause(Lenze s law) ,so there will be an opposing current in the inductor which opposes the main current.Overall effect is the lagging of the current.
@yhasan7767
@yhasan7767 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly this is why current lags voltage in an inductive load. You explain in two lines what that guys couldn't in 9 mins
@jamilajamila3658
@jamilajamila3658 3 жыл бұрын
is the induced back emf goes to maximum point instantly, i mean when the switch is on? and then decrease with increasing flux?
@SamiUllah-xs3tm
@SamiUllah-xs3tm 3 жыл бұрын
My question is why there is no back voltage associated with back current...back current opposes current , back voltage will also be associated with back current
@yhasan7767
@yhasan7767 3 жыл бұрын
@@SamiUllah-xs3tm good question and observation
@charleyhoward4594
@charleyhoward4594 2 жыл бұрын
In a purely inductive circuit, if voltage applied equals voltage induced ; how is there a current at any moment in time ?
@AlexPilkevych
@AlexPilkevych 8 жыл бұрын
Spent a whole day looking for a decent explanation. Thank you!
@michaelgallias2651
@michaelgallias2651 5 жыл бұрын
The best explanation I've found so far. Now stuck in my head without having to learn anything by heart or through complex math.
@KENFEDOR22
@KENFEDOR22 7 жыл бұрын
One of the few acronyms I recall from engineering school: ICE and ELI ICE: in a Capacitive circuit (C), I (current) leads E (voltage)ELI: in an Inductive circuit (L), E (voltage) leads I (current)
@josepeixoto3384
@josepeixoto3384 Жыл бұрын
@@briant7652 CIVIL Civ viL
@Greg_Chase
@Greg_Chase Жыл бұрын
Around time 4:00 when you're discussing the rate of change of current, dI / dt, I've found that over half of students also get it wrong and claim that the positive and negative peaks are the max rate of change, and at the zero reference line is the minimum. The reason is, the (incorrect) association 'max current must mean maximum change' and 'zero current must mean zero change' and completely ignoring the slope of a tangent line along different points of the sine wave. Easiest way to get folks past this intellectual hurdle is: 1) dI/dt is the slope of the tangent line at a point on the sine wave of current 2) find on the graph where the change in the current line changes the most for the smallest increment of time (the visual intuition approach) 3) calculate the slope of the tangent line (by using two values of (I, t)) at the positive and negative peaks of the sine wave, then do the same at the zero reference line, and you find that the plunge through the zero reference line is the steepest slope and thus the greatest rate of change. The slope of the line is zero at the positive and negative peaks, ie. rate of change of current is zero. This works because all STEM students learn how to calculate the slope of a line in Jr. high or high school. .
@mariamALG2222
@mariamALG2222 3 жыл бұрын
U r better than my high school teacher... Good grief how didn't I think about derivatives and slopes in the way u explained before I watched ur video... U r the best no caps
@astroedsastrophotographych4562
@astroedsastrophotographych4562 4 жыл бұрын
"Then it drops like its hot" 3:35, I guess that is a technical term in circuit analysis. Student, "When in rate of change max, again?", Teacher "When it drops like its hot!".
@soldatheero
@soldatheero 8 жыл бұрын
I was hoping for more of a physical explanation as opposed to a purely mathematical one. A sort of image of what is actually happening..
@HamzaKhan-qh5no
@HamzaKhan-qh5no 6 жыл бұрын
Did you find a video for it?
@orochimaru1253
@orochimaru1253 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah I can understand Mathematically not physically,to understand I must go through formula of inductive and capacitive voltage and it's origin.
5 жыл бұрын
I believe it has something to do with the formation and disintegration of the magnetic field around the coil, because of the changing direction of the current.
@deeremandoug
@deeremandoug 4 жыл бұрын
there is a mechanical analogy to inductance. it is called the flywheel effect. like trying to change the speed of a heavy spinning flywheel.
@madhusudhany.v44
@madhusudhany.v44 3 жыл бұрын
The best explaination which erases my doubt
@azapps
@azapps 5 жыл бұрын
At 1:42 the equation E = -L di/dt is your back EMF, the force the current pushes against, this is NOT the voltage across the inductor. In this equation E represents the induced voltage also called back EMF which opposes the magnetic field created by current flow. But this same symbol E also represents the voltage across the resistor in the previous equation E=IR, and this is confusing. The back EMF equation should use the lower case Epsilon symbol for back EMF instead of E. The symbol E should properly represent the real voltage and the relationship between voltage across and current through the circuit is E = L di/dt , or V(t) = L di/dt. Note positive L value.
@ailajordan8497
@ailajordan8497 5 жыл бұрын
I was just about to comment on that.. Thanks for pointing that out, in all my texbooks that I've read, E or V(t)= L(di/dt)
@9uweeoncbmd890
@9uweeoncbmd890 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video. This was what was missing for me to understand capacitance.
@ay35748
@ay35748 8 жыл бұрын
at 5:31 when you said that the current is supposed to be at maximum, why did you mark it at its negative peak value and not its positive?
@maryannjoseph6467
@maryannjoseph6467 7 жыл бұрын
Ayms he was marking the graph of the current with respect to the back EMF graph(the green graph) so the maximum back EMF is produced when you have maximum rate of change of current which you get when current is at 0
@ayush47662
@ayush47662 7 жыл бұрын
i also want to know that..he hasnt got any explanation for that..anyone can derive that mathematically, but hardly anyone knows what happens physically
@Coldbrookdangee
@Coldbrookdangee 6 жыл бұрын
Current or voltage at their lowest peak value are actually at their peak value in terms of effectiveness in a circuit. Simply changing directions in an alternating circuit
@harshkumar9302
@harshkumar9302 4 жыл бұрын
OMG you explained it so smoothly. I always wanted to know why this happens
@tymofei8586
@tymofei8586 3 жыл бұрын
How there is no voltage when current is max ? When current at its max,back emf vanishes batteries all potential so voltage seems like become zero but can it really be ? How particles gonna move without potential.Sorry im a mechanical engineer and dont really have much electrical background..
@rameenaamir9332
@rameenaamir9332 4 жыл бұрын
If self-inductance (induced back emf) of an ideal inductor is always equal and opposite to the applied voltage then how does the current flow in that inductor, as the net voltage will always be zero?
@jmbravo-stugatti5867
@jmbravo-stugatti5867 4 жыл бұрын
Lenz’s law states that induced voltage, created by the applied voltage/current flow, opposes the the applied voltage/current flow. The intensity of the opposition to the applied voltage/current flow is directly related to the “inductance of the inductor, represented by the letter L”. Practically speaking the intensity of the applied current flow is always stronger than the induced current flow. The applied current flow pushes through the induced current. This opposition to the applied current is measured in Ohms, other wise know as reactance, X sub L. Simply, usually never a net 0. The sine wave plotting and vector representations do not try to show the intensity of each, but normally show that the applied is 180 degrees opposite the induced with no lagging or leading angle, and that’s q whole other conversation.
@jamilajamila3658
@jamilajamila3658 3 жыл бұрын
@@jmbravo-stugatti5867 thank you for more clarification.
@jamilajamila3658
@jamilajamila3658 3 жыл бұрын
@@jmbravo-stugatti5867 is the induced back emf goes to maximum point instantly, i mean when the switch is on? and then decrease with increasing flux?
@khaiminh2685
@khaiminh2685 2 жыл бұрын
Generator's energy > inductor's EMF
@khaiminh2685
@khaiminh2685 2 жыл бұрын
EMF is the result of current. applied voltage case CURRENT, then, CURRENT cause EMF, so current first then EMF
@andrewpervez3009
@andrewpervez3009 Жыл бұрын
Great explanation. Thank You
@ngqabuthongwenya3286
@ngqabuthongwenya3286 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the beat explanation i have been struggling with this
@benmakemson61009
@benmakemson61009 3 жыл бұрын
This explanation is so clear that i actually had a 'eureka' moment because of your explanation i realised that (and please do correct me if i'm wrong) when the voltage is pushing hard through the rise and fall sections of the sine wave (which happens to cross the zero point), the current is at maximum flow but when it hits the peaks of the sine wave the voltage is almost stable for a brief moment and therefore the current flow is at its minimum because the electrons almost stop moving before heading very quickly back towards the zero point and on to the opposite polarity peak. i hope that makes sense, is that very basically correct or am i still missing something? thank you for your time and great videos :)
@nephilimshammer9567
@nephilimshammer9567 2 жыл бұрын
Current starts late. He should draw blue back to beginning. The voltage leaves the zero line first and current doesnt hit zero line for first time until voltage is at 90 degrees so voltage has a 90 degree head start. Current needs time to start hes reving his engine getting the power built up
@benmakemson61009
@benmakemson61009 2 жыл бұрын
@@nephilimshammer9567 getting the revs going that's a good analogy. ive since realised that I was wrong in my initial understanding after doing more research and studying. It's all about the journey though 👍🏼 Thanks for the reply.
@maryannjoseph6467
@maryannjoseph6467 7 жыл бұрын
but to get any current at all you need to have an applied voltage right? so when the applied voltage is 0 (the red graph) how is it that you have any value of current at all?
@whtstr2133
@whtstr2133 7 жыл бұрын
If I am right, it's bleeding off the collapsing mag field in the inducter.
@curiosity551
@curiosity551 7 жыл бұрын
rather than saying applied voltage you can say voltage across inductor. and if its pure inductor it has no resistance and there wont be a voltage across it and a lot of current would flow.
@jeffcousineau2933
@jeffcousineau2933 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this and the capacitor video so easy to understand.
@jermeybarmer2182
@jermeybarmer2182 Жыл бұрын
Why does the initial equation have a negative sign for inductance? It makes it seem like the equation is for the CEMF voltage value.
@Ammarinooable
@Ammarinooable 8 жыл бұрын
man you're awesome ! perfect explanation.
@davidjames9935
@davidjames9935 8 жыл бұрын
"perfect" (my ass)
@jamilajamila3658
@jamilajamila3658 3 жыл бұрын
is the induced back emf goes to maximum point instantly, i mean when the switch is on? and then decrease with increasing flux?
@victormaxwellpeters9771
@victormaxwellpeters9771 3 жыл бұрын
Same augment can be held accountable for capacitors also, then why current graph is 90 degree lead to source voltage in the beginning. Are you discussing mutual or self inductor??
@stratproj6214
@stratproj6214 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation
@travelingduo7523
@travelingduo7523 4 жыл бұрын
Perfect explanation!!! Thanks!
@htetaung4673
@htetaung4673 4 жыл бұрын
I honestly dun know why some people dislike this kind of videos...
@moinshaikh1963
@moinshaikh1963 3 жыл бұрын
why doesn't the applied voltage have an effect on the induced voltage? or why doesn't the current flowing in the circuit is the resultant for applied voltage and the induced voltage?
@astroedsastrophotographych4562
@astroedsastrophotographych4562 4 жыл бұрын
Pro Tip: Use a legend, you have different color traces and only have a mouse pointer. It is hard to keep track when you're talking to a just a plot with no labels...
@sridharchitta7321
@sridharchitta7321 3 жыл бұрын
The existence of a sinusoidal current resulting from the application of a sinusoidal voltage to an inductor is a characteristic of the non-Coulomb electric field that is proportional to the rate of change in current causing a changing magnetic field. The current is a result of an opposing Coulomb electric field, which is a result of polarization by the non-Coulomb electric field associated with the changing magnetic field, and the current is a consequence of the resultant field of the applied field and the Coulomb electric field in the inductance coil. In an inductor, the opposition to the applied voltage which is changing the current is instantaneous and so, the current can only follow after the applied field has overcome the opposing emf. In an inductor for sinusoidal currents, the current lags the voltage by 90 degrees if the inductor is pure, and less if a resistance is in series with it; the inductor fights before current flows. If an inductor weren’t to fight, you will get energy for free! Electrostatics and circuits belong to one science not two. To learn the operation of inductive circuits it is instructive to understand Current, the conduction process, resistors and Voltage at the fundamental level as in the following two videos: i. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioXXpWVul5aXj9E and ii. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnO0fpKurJeFnNE Inductors find applications as filters in power supplies and in resonant circuits in tuned amplifiers. If we increase the “frequency” of the input voltage to an inductor, the “rate of change” of the input voltage and the applied field is “greater than” the rates obtained with applied voltages at lower frequencies. At low frequencies, this causes a smaller induced opposing electric field and emf, therefore, large currents will flow within small intervals of time in the coils of the inductor. In the limit, if the input is a dc voltage, the current will become so large that the inductor will burn out. Low pass filters are built using L-R circuits in simple applications. Therefore, we say the inductor “blocks high frequencies” and acts as a “short circuit” at low frequencies as if the inductor was not there but a wire. It is not possible in this post to discuss in more detail current in inductor circuits and inductive reactance with sequential diagrams (textbook 4, see below). The last frame References in video #1 lists textbook 4 which discusses these topics in more detail using a unified approach and provides an intuitive understanding of reactance.
@kenusubiaga2500
@kenusubiaga2500 3 жыл бұрын
wouldn't voltage be zero regardless if delta time or delta current was zero based on the equation you placed?
@curiosity551
@curiosity551 7 жыл бұрын
why applied voltage and self induced emf in inductor cancel each other? please explain ...
@RizwanKhan_99
@RizwanKhan_99 7 жыл бұрын
r!shi kesh Because of Lenzes law. the induced emf will be created in the direction which creates sucha current which produces a magnetic field that opposes the original field producing the induced emf in the first place.
@josepeixoto3384
@josepeixoto3384 Жыл бұрын
that is in AC only? what happens in DC?
@Varaprasannakumaryeggati
@Varaprasannakumaryeggati 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks your explanation is awesome please upload about reactive power
@belligerentapj3685
@belligerentapj3685 5 жыл бұрын
How is it that the induced voltage is exactly opposite to the applied voltage across the inductor in AC circuit?
@jockellis
@jockellis 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks. The explanation in my eddy current testing (NDT) Level II textbook might as well be in Greek.
@TheElectricAcademy
@TheElectricAcademy 8 жыл бұрын
+jockellis I hope my explanation sounds a little more like english ;)
@nourzewer8163
@nourzewer8163 8 жыл бұрын
Thank You So much !! 🙌🏻👌🏻🙏🏻👍🏻
@charleyhoward4594
@charleyhoward4594 2 жыл бұрын
In a purely inductive circuit, if voltage applied equals voltage induced ; how is there a current ?
@Sultan7M
@Sultan7M Жыл бұрын
In simple terms, inductive circuits have a delay because of the magnetic field, and that's why current doesn't instantly follow voltage when you turn them on.
@leeorshimhoni8949
@leeorshimhoni8949 5 жыл бұрын
excellent video.
@freiderichschultz4928
@freiderichschultz4928 6 ай бұрын
You did everything except explain why current lags voltage in an inductive circuit. Some of the things made sense. However, when you have a graph depicting voltage and you are talking about current, and there is no current depicted on the graph, then this doesn't explain the current lagging voltage in an inductive circuit. It's a description of where the voltages are, but not the current . You brought up current at the end of the video, but it didn't explain why current lags voltage. Give it a rest ! Most people who want to teach and claim to have some good way of explaining things are actually very bad teachers and can't explain anything that is very technical and can't use physics or electrical theory, mathematics, or an in-depth understanding of the subject matter to make their point. This is simply another example of somebody trying to teach electronics, but doesn't fully understand the subject matter themselves, and can not fully explain why their equation is important to why current lags voltage. Try again. You will need your equation. Explain where that came from. Next, your graph needs the applied voltage, the induced voltage, and the current superimposed on the graph. Show where 0, 90, 180, 270, and back to 360 degrees. Now, point out the current, voltage, induced voltage, electromagnetic charge on the inductor, and show the relationships that fall into play to produce the induced voltage and the out of phase current. I've listened to your video several times and It's very obvious that you did not achieve your goal.
@syairputra4851
@syairputra4851 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, my asking how to make 180 degree phase shft voltge and current?
@carultch
@carultch 2 жыл бұрын
You would need a power source, instead of a load, to get a 180 degree phase shift. Inductors and capacitors can at most, get you a 90 degree phase shift. You would need a system that can add power to the circuit, instead of draw power from it, for voltage and current to have a 180 degree phase shift.
@davidjames9935
@davidjames9935 8 жыл бұрын
3:29 counter-intuitive? How about obvious? By visual inspection it is obvious current is "flattening" at the peak.
@TheElectricAcademy
@TheElectricAcademy 8 жыл бұрын
David James. Man I wish it was obvious. I have seen many a student struggle with that concept. I am glad you see it as obvious though.
@davidjames9935
@davidjames9935 8 жыл бұрын
The Electric Academy It IS obvious. Ask them where the curve looks the flattest. Obviously at the peak it is. When it crosses the x axis it is also obvious it is steep. An easy illustration of this would be if you had a small car "ride" the wave and ask people where is the car most level. Obviously at the peak ( and in the valley) it would be level. Even a child could easily understand this so I find it hard to believe the average person, and especially a student, cannot see this easily.
@Tom_Sawyer385
@Tom_Sawyer385 8 жыл бұрын
David James Maybe if you are too smart you should be making videos for us.
@sankeerthan1656
@sankeerthan1656 2 жыл бұрын
If u say ∆i\∆t as slope it would be easy to understand 😉
@alamar11
@alamar11 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you !
@leebrown3895
@leebrown3895 9 ай бұрын
Yes understqnd but why lag or lead in different circuits
@Manh7861
@Manh7861 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks brodie you the man
@shashidhar.p1289
@shashidhar.p1289 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant
@beingooljalool
@beingooljalool 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't got it. I have to watch it again and again.
@tedlahm5740
@tedlahm5740 2 жыл бұрын
when voltage is at minimum change current is at maximum change.
@clems6989
@clems6989 3 жыл бұрын
Simple answer : Because current thru an inductor cannot change instantaneously.. The voltage can..
@SultanNaeem
@SultanNaeem 9 жыл бұрын
Nice Work Please subtitle your videos
@SafeAndEffectiveTheySaid
@SafeAndEffectiveTheySaid 8 жыл бұрын
+Sultan Naeem KZbin have an option to show subtitles, just click on cc on the bottom of the video screen
@SultanNaeem
@SultanNaeem 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks For Reply
@dharmikmistry8781
@dharmikmistry8781 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊 sir
@1989Chrisc
@1989Chrisc 7 жыл бұрын
What causes loss of power in an inductive circuit?
@carultch
@carultch 2 жыл бұрын
There is no loss of power in a purely inductive circuit. An ideal inductor is a 100% reversible energy storage device, that stores energy during half the cycle, and releases it 1 quarter cycle later. What causes the loss of power in a REAL circuit with an inducitve power factor, is the non-zero resistance of the wires. Suppose we desire to transmit 1 kW of real power to a load with an inductive nature, from a 120V AC source (the RMS voltage). If this were a pure resistive load, it would draw 8.3 Amps of current (the RMS current). However, suppose it really draws 10 Amps, due to its inductive nature. The reason it takes 10A instead of 8.3A, is that there is a 33.6 degree phase shift between the current and voltage waveforms, caused by the inductive load. If you integrate the shifted waveforms to find the average power, you will get 1 kW, instead of 1.2 kW as you'd get from multiplying 120V * 10A. We call this, 1.2 kVA, when you multiply RMS values of current and voltage, with non-synchronized waveforms. This means the power distribution network that supplies power to it, now has a loss of power associated with carrying 10A instead of 8.3A. If the wires totaled 1 ohm of resistance, the power loss in the wires line would increase from 68.9W (corresponding to the 8.3A resistive load) to 100W (corresponding to the 10A that actually supply this load).
@ivanjanka2910
@ivanjanka2910 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@KrMurugaBarathiAMIE
@KrMurugaBarathiAMIE 5 жыл бұрын
Change of North Pole and South Pole? Lagging
@bluedude1662
@bluedude1662 4 жыл бұрын
You explained why they are out of phase. You didn't explain why the current lags
@MR-nl8xr
@MR-nl8xr 6 жыл бұрын
Rate of change is at it's minimum when current flow is at it's maximum, that doesn't make any sense.
@Rizemize123
@Rizemize123 6 жыл бұрын
when you are going to the top of the curve, near the top, the slope is smaller(more gentle) than the starting point at 0. slope = rate of change = delta i / delta t Draw a tangent line near the top of the curve AND also a tangent line near 0 and check the slopes. Near 0 the slope is steeper. That means the rate of change is faster. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bH25Z2aNqdqpgMk
@russellteejaymolina6736
@russellteejaymolina6736 4 жыл бұрын
That makes sense review your math and the meaning of the graph.
@russellteejaymolina6736
@russellteejaymolina6736 4 жыл бұрын
That makes sense, review your and the meaning of the graph.
@ElectricalEngineeringApp
@ElectricalEngineeringApp 8 жыл бұрын
Nice
@Insidiousotter
@Insidiousotter 5 жыл бұрын
This made 0 sense to me. I don't understand how there can be any current in a circuit with 0 voltage. I still have absolutely no idea why current and voltage are not in phase.
@Insidiousotter
@Insidiousotter 4 жыл бұрын
@Hearing.Chanting Remembering.Krsna That seems like an answer to a different question. I didn't pick up any of that.
@sal7777777
@sal7777777 5 ай бұрын
You audio levels are way too low
@xBustedHeart
@xBustedHeart 7 жыл бұрын
I'm so confused
@RizwanKhan_99
@RizwanKhan_99 7 жыл бұрын
But why physically??
@grahamek86
@grahamek86 4 жыл бұрын
You're a penny richer because mine has finally dropped
@mizar_copernicus138
@mizar_copernicus138 Жыл бұрын
ok this is math explanation why the hell is there current when voltage is zero
@kallusharma7234
@kallusharma7234 3 жыл бұрын
Wow !
@kooky45
@kooky45 6 жыл бұрын
0 marks for not labelling your graph. Current? Voltage? Voltage at the source? Voltage over the inductor?
@Rico702Vegas
@Rico702Vegas 4 жыл бұрын
Canadian...... A?
@muhannadalhazmi8341
@muhannadalhazmi8341 5 жыл бұрын
What is i here ?
@carultch
@carultch 2 жыл бұрын
The i stands for current in this context. Not to be confused with the imaginary unit "i", which is commonly called "j" in electrical engineering, due to "i" already standing for current. Why do we use "i", when there isn't even an "i" in the word current? The answer is historical reasons. At one point, what we call current today, was called current intensity.
@DasAntiNaziBroetchen
@DasAntiNaziBroetchen 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like engineering would be more welcoming to women if men would stop calling abstract concepts, electrical components and even software components "guys". Every engineer I know does that.
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