Why Daredevil Won’t fit in the MCU

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

**DISCLAIMER** Friendly, genuine discussion is welcome in the comments! The difference in tone, story telling, etc in Daredevil provides a good variety of Marvel content for different audiences. If you want something light hearted you have majority of the MCU movies, if you want a little balance you have the some of the MCU shows, if you want something darker and a little more mature, you have Daredevil. Integrating him into the MCU POTENTIALLY blurs that well needed separation, giving us the same stuff over and over again. I do understand they can make continue making Daredevil the way he has been in the Netflix series but come on, this is the MCU we're talking about. They generate hype with crossovers and cameos and they will 100% be looking to add Daredevil to more things. Ultimately it simply comes down to the portrayals of both MCU characters and Daredevil, and I simply cannot see Daredevil doing half of the stuff the MCU characters do. The vulnerability of Daredevil is huge.

[@_draxin_0514]

I was actually thinking the same exact thing when it came to how Daredevil is represented in his show in contrast to the MCU. You hit just about every nail in the coffin.

[@myoldhandlewasmadewheniwas9]

I think Holland can work because he doesn't have that stuff anymore. He probably doesn't WANT that stuff anymore after NWH. Him working to clean up NY with Daredevil would be a fantastic way to introduce us to this new Spidey status quo and reacquaint everyone with the new MCU branded Daredevil. Make it a Kingpin story since he's a prominent villain for both, get the whole gang together

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Hmm yeah maybe you're right about Holland, he did lost his tech and is looking more like the usual Peter Parker from the comics. Do you think people would accept a Spider-Man film thats just him doing street level stuff after seeing him in space, fight aliens and meet multiple versions of himself? Genuine question! Also, do you think the Kingpin from the Daredevil series would post Tom Holland a physical threat? I certainly think the way he was done in Hawkeye he would but not the series.

[@keving5004]

I think if Hawkeye can fit in the MCU so can Daredevil, they way the MCU is going it’s gonna be split into different parts they have the cosmic side with Guardians and Thor, the supernatural and Magic side with Blade, Moon Knight, and Doctor Strange and probably a street level side with FATWS, Spider-Man, Armor Wars, possibly Thunderbolts so I think if they’re willing to go darker and well the fact they’re making MCU Deadpool 3 R rated then they probably will they can easily make Daredevil fit into the street level side

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

The difference with Hawkeye is that he was first established in the MCU with Gods (Thor 1) and aliens (Avengers 1), so his character is directly created for that and thus fits perfectly. Because Daredevil has had so much screen time (3 seasons of his own show) portraying the character a hugely grounded and quite realistic, I personally think it will be a noticeable shift in his character if he now has to now integrate with people like Falcon and stuff. In my opinion, the MCU humans seem so much more fantasy like whereas Daredevil doesn't. But i certainly do hope they make Deadpool proper R rated, as well as blade because it will be a nice variety for a slightly different audience. Although considering the reshoots and changes for Dr. Strange MOM, I'm unsure

[@badnoodlez]

Sly nerd is right. Tonality matters.

[@Devon.with.an.i]

@@TheSlyNerdHour Daredevil’s been around for a while. He’s already in the mcu. It was only until hawkeye when people thought the daredevil show was in a different universe. There wasn’t a problem before the fan theories. I do agree with you somewhat though. I can definitely see a few crossovers for daredevil, but Matt hanging out with the guardians of the galaxy would feel out of place. The obvious answer would be spiderman. They’ve already met, and spiderman just got nerfed to shit. Kate bishop crossover would work too!

[@thatoneguyudkutube2803]

Are you trying to tell me Hawkeye and FATWS are anywhere NEAR daredevils brutality?? Are you high? They even censored FATWAS recently

[@Devon.with.an.i]

@@thatoneguyudkutube2803 what did they censor in fatws?

[@delycan4912]

Extreme disagree. You aren't taking into account that it's been almost 10 in universe years since Fisk was seen. They wouldn't put DD in a movie with Doc Ock. They'd use someone like Tombstone or something.

[@OneDumbDude]

Yeah. Marvel is too smart to pair Daredevil with the wrong Characters. Plus, the next big villain is Galactus, and he’s a space dude that eats planets, so he’s probably gonna be dark, leaving room for people like Daredevil, Luke Cage, Moon Knight, and Blade to be dark as well.

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

That is fair, although I really don't know how they could explain Fisk's power up whilst respecting the character and not doing it purely for the sake. But maybe you're right.

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

I do hope they do down a darker route, not all of their stuff just some so we get a variety

[@rileyribble6733]

Daredevil will work best staying on the streets, interacting with Spidey obviously, Punisher, the rest of the Defenders when they return, maybe Moon Knight if/when he goes back to America. I honestly don’t see them using him in the big crossovers because he definitely doesn’t fit. As long as they use him in areas where he thrives, he can absolutely fit in the MCU. But trying to make him an Avenger and getting into huge battles with insane stakes with the likes of Kang, Dr. Doom, Galactus, Annihilus, that stuff will be out of place lol

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

For sure! I completely agree! I am still cautious cause of Wilson Fisk's power up in Hawkeye but maybe! I would love to see a separation of street level and intergalactic, although because it is the MCU and they love their crossovers I dunno how strict they would be

[@BooneBluemel]

Daredevil has been MCU canon since day 1

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

It hasn't, only recently (I think yesterday) have they now said its officially canon. If it was it wouldn't make sense anywya

[@BooneBluemel]

@@TheSlyNerdHour it has, you're wrong

[@BooneBluemel]

@@TheSlyNerdHour it's always been canon, they never said it wasn't.

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

@@BooneBluemel Excatly.

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

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[@o.8.p149]

I mean some versions of Black Widow have a super soldier serum also Peter is basically getting rid of his tech

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

That may be true, but not this version, She is just regular in here. None of my thoughts are against the comics cause the comics can be wild, its purely on the characters that have been established in a certain way for the movies/series. Really and truly they are their own separate incarnations.

[@ObaREX]

*UUUUUUUURGH!* I say this with exaggerrated fury but I am fully aware none of this is a big deal. Daredevil was ALWAYS in the MCU. I don't know when people started thinking it wasn't. Because when it was coming out, it was pretty common fucking knowledge. Legit the whole plot of the first season only happens because of Loki's attack in Avengers (in a way predicting the plot of Homecoming). The show and Luke Cage's show are referenced a few times in Agents of Shield-- which is totally an MCU property, it literally cannot exist in a realm of it's own with the plot often having to switch gears because of stuff going on in the movies, various characters from the movies coming in and out of episodes, some of their own characters appearing in the movies, and the main character being a prevalent character from MCU phase one. The only caveat is that the movies themselves pretty much ignore the TV shows (except maybe the Disney+ ones). Which is fine. The movies are the priority (this is a business after all) and you can't expect every single screenwriter and director they hire to binge on all the previous movies, let alone the obscure TV shows, where each episode is the runtime of a short film on its own. But seriously, this discussion is not worth having. It's moot. Daredevil is and always was canon. Ya'll just weren't paying attention. Or forgot.

[@cosmicthunder25]

don't know how it could be canon with Fisk being so different in Hawkeye though

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Yeah I remember the references, but they were only references. If it is canon then timelimes dont make sense especially with Fisk being in hawkeye. I recently rewatched Daredevil and there really wasn't that much connection to the main MCU. Agents of Shield is another one of those properties that is in the grey about being Canon, as stuff like the darkhold was featured in there and was changed

[@kenkenji7821]

No lies were told, I don’t know why people are acting like daredevil won’t need a buff to fight half these guys.

[@andreabacahin925]

Definitely agree with all your points and just like you said, this version of Daredevil definitely would not work. It is hard to picture him fighting supernatural beings without having that human limit of getting beaten up and suffer great physical repercussions. There could be a better way for Daredevil to be utilized well enough in the MCU that does not require a massive character overhaul. This is because Matt Murdock outside of the suit could be utilized a lot more than Daredevil. What I mean by this is that we shouldn't see another Daredevil series as this video pointed out that they will never be able to match up the tone and genius behind the Daredevil show. Furthermore, we have gotten so much development of Daredevil already in the series in comparison to who Matt Murdock really is outside of the suit. The MCU can develop him so much more as the Christian lawyer who has experience in crime fighting as Matt Murdock. If you look at the future line up of characters in the MCU , I believe he could challenge a lot of the moral choices and understanding of future heroes and anti-heroes in Phase 4. He could also become this mentor figure that perfectly fits well with how (SPOILER WARNING FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT WATCHED S3) Father Lantom has died in the Netflix series, Matt would take on that role and be a better man than he already was. This could work well a lot with how the Young Avengers are being set up. These Young Avengers are young and inexperienced which potentially causes illegal problems for them that a lawyer would need to deal with. Matt could come into their aid and question a lot of the actions they have been doing. He could provide a unique approach in being a mentor that uses his own religion, faith, and knowledge of the law to these younger generation of Avengers. If not the Young Avengers, I certainly can imagine him being the angel on perhaps John Walker's shoulder. If you take a closer look, John Walker is essentially Agent Poindexter but less psychopathic. This is great for the Netflix fans because we can appreciate how Matt is being the exact opposite of Kingpin who manipulated Poindexter into becoming a weapon. Matt would instead influence John Walker into being a better man. Speaking of Poindexter, I think we can still set him up to be a great villain for perhaps Kate Bishop and a few non supernatural heroes. But perhaps that's wishful thinking and I honestly don't think they could handle Pointdexter as well as they could. But yeah that's all my thoughts nice videos and keep it up!

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Honestly I am amazed by this comment, utilising Matt Murdock more than Daredevil is a brilliant idea. This video focused a lot on the Daredevil aspect of the character but as you pointed out, the Matt Murdock side can not just fit into the MCU, but could actually thrive. Him being a mentor, a consultant, an advisor, much like Father Lantom was, to the numerous characters would certainly add to his character in a way that respects the 3 seasons of development he got in his owns series. I would love to see him interact with the Young Avengers and even John Walker! Pointdexter may be a little easier to handle as from my knowledge, they left off with him undergoing surgery and I guess they could easily write something to do with that Thank you for your thoughts, it has really enlightened me, I'm rather surprised and so glad for your comment!

[@PinaKoalaGaming]

Glad op left a wholesome comment here first off!! Also as someone who didn’t finish the second season of daredevil. I still understand exactly where you’re coming from and would love to see Matt’s character fleshed out more as an experienced voice of reason to newer characters and now believe the crux of She-Hulk will be her and Daredevil on opposing sides of the John Walker court trial. Probably will end up with She-Hulk gaining damning evidence and the judge siding with Matt anyways cause Madam Hydra or whatever her name is will pull some strings to get John off the hook unbeknownst to both Matt and She-Hulk which will end off the season in such a way that Daredevil will team up at some point to help She-Hulk against the Thunderbolts or Dark Avengers. (Whatever team they end up building in phase 4-5)! Great theory all around. Love posts that make me think and between you and op I’ll be filling in the blanks up until the MCU fills it in for me!!

[@andreabacahin925]

@@PinaKoalaGaming oh my I should've put a spoiler warning for Father Lantom haha but yeah I actually forgot about the She-Hulk potential as well and that's a great idea too.

[@lydiabliss4473]

i was PISSED when i saw the way Hawkeye super-soldiered King Pin. so unnecessary. the MCU could absolutely have street level heros that only do street level things, divorced from the cosmic interdimensional stuff. i don’t know why they decimated his character like that.

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

I was so shocked to see it, it was crazy. I know Kingpin is a monster in the comics, picking up cars and stuff but that isn't the character they established with Vincent D'Onofrio

[@Haxcks114]

I Love the mcu but this is Facts. I feel like the main reason why the mcu is so popular and beloved is because its more family friendly its got a bigger audience because it's built off of hype memorable characters played by popular actors and the incredible cgi and special effects and sure the stories are usually pretty solid that's not usually the 1st reason someone's gonna go watch that movie its usually cause the trailer looks sick. Point being that's great and all but daredevil don't be doing it like that daredevil ain't always got the happy ending he don't always win the fight with plot armor he dont always got super friends to back him up when he's dealing with something it's just got a sense of realism that you just gotta appreciate people get murdered in cold blood hes no super man hes got powers but he can still get banged up pretty bad whereas were suppose to believe black widow is a normal human like the fact that she survived all these movies over the years along side Hawkeye I swear nick fury must've slipped in that serum somewhere along the way cause they are not normal humans lol. Just hope they don't mess up our boi daredevil by making him a softie or giving him super strength or an indestructible vibranium suit having him leap off skyscrapers I just want what we had before cause that was a work of art and we did leave off DD on a cliffhanger so it would be a crime if they didn't continue where they left off

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Literally I 100% agree, I wish I added some of your words in the video cause you understand it! I never go into an MCU film expecting a crazy interesting story, its all the other stuff you mentioned that draws me in. Black Widow must have had some form of serum because it is actually crazy how much damage she can take, especially in that Black Widow film, I couldn't believe it Aha if they give him a vibranium suit its all over, our DD is well and truly gone

[@themoviecritic1092]

Peter doesn't have that tech anymore though because... well I don't have to explain. So it could work out

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Yeah you're right, but I guess cause we havent really seen Peter properly without it its hard to imagine atm

[@xx_vegemite_xx677]

Such a great thought through video bro. Your points are so true

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Thank you bro! I appreciate you

[@JaydenVarghese]

Very well put! Not gonna lie, with this title, I expected a sort of rant that didn't have much of an argument, as that seems to be common among channels discussing comics these days. But your argument was actually very well presented and fleshed out, not to mention hilarious with all the jokes in there too! I hope there is a way the MCU can balance the tones as you mentioned them in the video, because I really do want to see the same Daredevil in this universe.

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Aha thanks, these type of videos usually get some form of backlash but im glad you enjoyed. Im hoping they can to, and upon releasing this video yesterday I saw some tweets suggesting his series is canon so we'll have to wait and see what happens

[@MasterMitchX]

Excellent video I am hearing some good points on how the MCU adapts Marvel characters to the big screen while the Defenders makes Marvel characters realistic (bringing them to life). But I see this transition from Netflix to the MCU for allowing our favourite street level characters to have their big and bombastic moments while staying true to their characters as developed in their own series. So despite DD having taken many whoopings and has to recover in his show. He can be in a movie showing off his incredible fighting and endurance over a day, rather than showing him solve a conspiracy over weeks where as an audience we know he needs recovery time. Once again excellent video and great opinion.

[@pradeepdungdung4379]

I remember when Netflix Marvel shows came on Disney+ parents were complaining it's too dark

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Yeah I guess they would, they defo need age restrictions on there to separate the content

[@HaydawgZero]

To be fair, Natasha and Hawkeye had years of government training before their first appearances and their movie and show take place towards the end of their careers whereas Daredevil had just a bit of enhancement as compared to a normal human, is blind, and was just starting as Daredevil near the beginning of the show. I think Kingpin snapping off the arrow and being hit in a car and caught in an explosion can be explained by he got stronger, was wearing protective gear, or was enhanced since daredevil season 3. I do think if he was brought into the movies or the modern shows he would be portrayed in a more fantastical way but we have to understand how the story is or could be playing out.

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Yeah I understand you. I just don't think that government training makes you that resilient and that strong, the whole black widow she was taking silly amounts of damage for quite big accidents. They could explain some of Kingpin's stuff but Im just unsure how good of an explanation it would whilst respecting the 2 brilliant seasons we got from him in Daredevil

[@HaydawgZero]

@@TheSlyNerdHour I agree but I'm also sure Marvel could shoehorn an answer even if it sucks just to keep the canon nerds off them

[@montenegroafro4454]

“…the quips..” - That part is my number one freakin complaint with the marvel movies these days; marvel uses them too damn much for real! 🤦‍♂️

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Yep, and in the wrong places. I understand some here and there for 'levity' but now every flipping character quips and they do it at the wrong time which ruins any emotion/feeling built up. So cheap.

[@squash753]

I mean, to be honest within a general basis, Nat and Clint should not be able to go toe to toe with the level of opposition that they do, but they still do it. Within the universe, Matt, Clint and Natasha are all human, they're all at relatively peak human condition, with Matthew only growing his durability and skillset as the show goes on. I don't think it's necessarily fair to say he couldn't perform the way the others do because the camera work on the TV show has a lower budget and the injured scenes where Matt has usually been beaten up beforehand by formidable opponent. Like when Matt is lying on the couch in season one it is due to combating one of the most deadly humans alive with multiple lifetimes worth of experience, within his first year of being Daredevil. The tone however I agree with, the darker tone with the more mature and grounded themes are definitely the right direction for this character, as well as the stakes Matthew faces and the obstacles he has to overcome. Matt is one of the most skilled combatants in the marvel universe and arguably in the mcu, its just actually seeing him fight the level of opposition the others do can come across as silly and I can see why.

[@Really_jellis]

The important thing you’re missing is the fact that he doesn’t need to have a huge fighting roll so his character could still be useful in the MCU just not manly in a fighting power people roll. He could be useful in a scene where there’s no light and you have to rely on your ability to hear or something along those lines

[@Really_jellis]

Not to mention as of now he’s just a lawyer for spider man so nothing to crazy is gonna happen but he’s probably gonna get the black widow treatment sooner or later so he’ll get infinite stamina specially since she died

[@dragocane1527]

YOU MADE A GREAT VIDEO MAN… it’s just I’m a 90’s guy and I REMEMBER BEN AFFLECKS DAREDEVIL SO I THINK HE WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER THAN BLAVK WIDOW

[@Li-yt6uj]

Exactly, the best thing about the daredevil show is that it feels like it’s own universe and grounded and not like just a superhero show. Once they dilute his story to be more light hearted and kid friendly, it’ll lose its magic.

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Damn I shoulda said it like you have here, exacly!

[@LarissaTheBrave]

if only they could make the MCU more like daredevil 😏

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Now that would be something!

[@mikeymaniac9229]

You hit it right on the head my man. This is one of my all time favorite shows ever. I know he won’t work in the mcu. They don’t make darker grounded and really mature stuff often and if they do it’s sprinkled with soft stuff whereas daredevil never holds back

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Exactly, and like I said its not a dig at the MCU, its just how it is. Daredevil's story-telling is just so different which has built the character to who he is

[@BirbalBonifaceMusoba]

I came into this video wanting to disagree with you, I ended up subscribing. Well analysed

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

I appreciate you!

[@CrusaderTemplario11]

Daredevil was always apart of the mcu

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

It wasn't fully confirmed

[@sparkshock7940]

Um? What are you talkin’ about man? Daredevil is already in the MCU, ever since the beginning. The show references the Chitauri invasion so the Daredevil world already has Iron Man and all that crazy tech. Yes, the human movie characters are WAY closer to super-human but just because Matt gets hurt a little more realistically doesn’t mean he can’t fit into the larger universe. Hell, a normal person would be dead if they got half as beat up as Matt does. He’s already got super-human abilities pretty much. Now would it feel like the same Matt from the Netflix show if he was adapted for the movies? They would have to reimagine him to give him a bit of a buff but that’s not that bad. Just think, it’s been a few years within canon so maybe Matt finally broke that “barrier” that separates normal humans from the Widow and Kingpin like strength that other powerful humans possess. It’s basically marvel anime, Matt went through his training arc.

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Training arc Loooool, that is hilarious! See I feel like his vulnerability adds so much to his character and is kind of integral. It's played on so much in the series that its part of him and is what made him more interesting. Take that away and... I dunno. Daredevil, and the other Netflix shows, werent properly confirmed to be in the MCU, thats why they have been largely ignored up until now.

[@sparkshock7940]

@@TheSlyNerdHour Daredevil makes references to The Incredible Hulk and The Avengers, with screenshots from both movies. I guess you could say it’s in a slightly different universe but that’s not as fun. I always thought it was just an excuse not to think about it, like if someone didn’t want to deal with all the multiple different TV shows they could just say they “don’t count” but if they actually watched all the shows they’d see that it would be pretty easy to fit them in.

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

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[@lil_lamron]

Peacemaker was definitely a top superhero show daredevil is better but it deserved a mention

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

That is my bad! I haven't seen it but by consensus I assumed it wans't better than Daredevil. Maybe I'll do a reactions series to it

[@jaschul]

It's no different than Daredevil existing in the Marvel Comics Universe with the Fantastic Four, Avengers, X-Men, etc. The *Daredevil* comic book rarely has gods, aliens, etc. appearing. So there's no reason why a *Daredevil* Disney-owned TV show couldn't have the same tone as the Netflix show. As for Kingpin -- yeah, his toughness was a bit OTT in *Hawkeye,* but not by much.

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

I 100% agree, like I said in the video Daredevil the Marvel character would definitely work, its just that Charlie Cox's version of daredevil is so much more grounded than a comic book character is. And sure, disney could match the tone but I'm honestly unsure if they will given their record of movies/series. They are much more light-hearted and for a general audience. Daredevil was much more mature

[@zehermanator2710]

Daredevil will work and here's why, he's not an Avenger, he rarely ever has been and rarely ever will be. He flies solo because he's witnessed his love ones die in his arms and Elektra is a good reason why he does work alone. He can simply win lots of his fights based purely off of experience

[@badnoodlez]

Spot on considering Disney censored falcon & the winter soldier lmao

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Yep! Their track record all points to watering down

[@vivaraulito]

I disagree tbh there’s characters in the MCU rn that daredevil can give a real challenge to and most likely beat yea that version of daredevil is dark but honestly every version of him is supposed to be dark he’s the man with no fear I’m not saying he should be out there fighting people like thanos, kang, or shit even galactus whenever they choose to use him but you can use him to do the dirty work get intel, take on street level villains on the enemy side stuff that the audience I feel would still appreciate shit I remember in the Justice league movie Batman didn’t really do shit to the main villain but he was still useful in other areas they can just go that route honestly

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Yeah that is true, they will definitely have to keep him street level, but in regards to Batman even he was portrayed as much more of a comic book char. It's like imagine the justice league film but instead of Batfleck its Christian Bales Batman, it would be really weird. Batfleck's fits so much more and its plausible. Daredevil could give quite a few people a challenge but he is portrayed as very human and very vulnerable, something the MCU hasn't really done

[@ab3k14]

Was this an April fools joke?? Or did he just not do any research on daredevil? Lol

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

A bit late for april fools unfortunately. And yeah I rewatched the series again and upon watching it, I couldn't shake the fact that it felt so drastically different to the MCU

[@ab3k14]

@@TheSlyNerdHour i get the film style of netflix was different but most your reasons about the character not working are ways the character lacked in the netflix show. While a stellar show, netflix gave a bit of a watered down story. Fisk for example is more accurately portrayed than in netflix. Fisk is virtually impervious to harm. He has survived falls from skyscrapers and gunshots etc. He was just a regular dude in the netflix show. While i agree charlie cox owns the role, the marvel version will be a more comic accurate daredevil. In the books he gets around town by swinging from building to building like spiderman. He isnt a Olympic level gymnast is the netflix version. In the netflix show he takes a beating by common fighters. Comic daredevil has a crazy advantage due to his senses and agility. He doesnt take as many butt kickings as the netflix version....at least not by common street thugs. He is often portrayed fighting multiple hand ninjas at one time and they cant touch him. As a fan of the mcu and growing up reading the books, I'm looking forward to the mcu daredevil. I would like them to stay gritty with the character but i am not sure they will. With disney being able to put in more money (CGI etc) he becomes pretty marketable to kids.

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

@@ab3k14 yeah they will definitely try and market him for kids and that's one of my problems with mcu is that I, no longer being a kid, would like variety in some of content. The kid friendly stuff is fun but there needs to be some that are for a little mature audiences which is what I felt the Netflix shows done well. Regards to your other points, I don't particularly disagree, Fisk in the comics is an absolute tank, surviving madness and throwing cars, and if that's the type of Fisk you want that is fair. It's just that this version hasn't been established to be that, and so suddenly amping him up is noticeable. If they started off with him like how you said you would like him to be then I wouldn't say anything, it's just they haven't and so there is already a set portrayal of the character. It reminds me of how the show treated Loki. He went from being a god fighting the avengers and going toe to toe with thor to suddenly being beat by a regular human

[@ab3k14]

@@TheSlyNerdHour i get what you're saying. You like the more grounded approach. I'm just saying, that notion doesn't seem to be taking consideration of the source material. Its not suppposed to be "grounded" lol. i mean once you have gotten to the point that someone has obtained super powers from being exposed to chemicals...you've pretty much left the realm of "grounded". Plus the gorunded approach becomes very cliche. The netflix kingpin wasnt anything different from any other mob boss in most cop movies. You could probably think of more intimidating ones to be honest. His comic version is someone that can go toe to toe with a powered hero. That makes things a bit more interesting. He also wont have the cliche of the politician with the secret criminal operation, he will run new york, everyone will know, and it wont be anything anyone can do about it. That sounds way cooler to me lol. As for DD i dont fear the marketing to kids aspect. He doesnt have to be any darker than batman/moon knight for it to work. I dont think these guys have been amped up per say. I think these are the same actors portraying different versions of their respective roles.

[@daimonatkins3046]

0:20-0:23 there’s more to DC tv shows than just the Arrowverse

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Yeah you're correct! Would you say any of them is better than Daredevil?

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

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[@cosmicthunder25]

To be honest I'm hoping that the shows aren't canon in the MCU because that would mean that the Netflix Iron Fist and Punisher shows would also be canon. Also i just don't trust Disney not to ruin Daredevil and it's best if the MCU version is a different one so that it doesn't matter as much IMO

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Well upon posting this yesterday I saw a couple tweets about Daredevil is officially canon so I think he might be, along with the rest.. hopefully they keep his character intact

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

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[@coyotestylepro1150]

Lets just say DD got a zenkai after t/ last S3 and keep t/ ball rolling 👀

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Lool they may be the only explanation

[@marievjing]

could react to the animatrix and then matrix revolutions ? Animatrix would be important to understand the universe better ^^

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Ah I've been meaning to watch the rest of the Matrix, the last video didn't do that well so I assumed it wasn't what people wanted to see

[@marievjing]

@@TheSlyNerdHour Too bad :( But I hope you'll react to them anyway :)

[@tootkoro]

Peacemaker kind of a banger though

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

I must admit I haven't seen it, but I was under the impression it wasn't better than Daredevil so hopefully my statement wasn't too far fetched aha! I plan to watch it very soon!

[@jgee8421]

Black widow is slightly enhanced in comics

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Yeahhh but in the movies she isnt

[@afroscifizianzcomix7836]

Great review and overview Sly Nerd. I disagree. The writers are in control of Daredevil's abilities. If a writer says he can kick Kingpins Butt he can. Daredevil just needs some intense training in Avengers Tower. Maybe Black Widow has left a copy of her training schedule in Avengers Tower that can be adapted for Daredevil's fighting style. He finds it in Avengers Tower when visiting The Avengers. See I've already written a story for Daredevil to get up to speed.

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

🤣🤣 He will need some very intense training, whatever programme S.H.I.E.L.D had Black widow and Hawkeye on

[@yuboikai1646]

This is pretty based

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

I appreciate you!

[@MSgt_0699]

Summed up: It's a bit too close to DC's practical sense of reality than what Disney likes in their MCU. Dun.

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Lool

[@hero5406]

Thanos has no chance against Daredevil in a Hallway Fight Daredevil in Hallway >>>>> anyone

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Aha! Daredvil just in the hallway taking out Thanos and The Black Order

[@t.c.g.thecentregod2809]

Daredevil trynna fit in the mcu avengers is like dceu Shazam trynna fit in zack Snyder’s justice league, it wouldn’t fit lol

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Loool tone wise defo not, although physically he would

[@ykomat6860]

I’d say the old DC animated series come close to Daredevil

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Ah I miss the old DC animated shows. Me and my friend was watching a bit of Justice League a couple weeks ago! This video I was only really thinking of live action

[@thefunnelcakeee3958]

Movie idea punisher v Deadpool v daredevil

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Who do you think wins?

[@ismaelali9422]

Because it’s way better 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@wooper9801]

peacemaker is the best dc show

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Ah, I'll be honest I've yet to watch it. Although, would you say its better than Daredevil?

[@wutdadeal3]

This opinion of Daredevil not fitting in the MCU is as ridiculous as him not fitting in the comics. And Daredevil is not the only one, the Punisher show was just as good. As for the Kingpin, he was NOT powered up, he just wasn't put in the same situations as in Hawkeye. You forget the episode of Daredevil where Kingpin uses a car door to decapitate a man. It take extreme strength to do that. And for storytelling, making someone grounded....again, you haven't paid attention. Where Daredevil have episodes to tell his story, the MCU have story-arcs to tell their stories. What makes the MCU unique is the art of telling multiple story-arcs at one time while an over arcing story is being told. For example... Iron Man's story-arc was told through 9 films Captain America's story-arc was told through 7 films Thor's story-arc is being told through 8 films Hulk's story-arc has been told through 6 films so far Black Widow's story-arc has been told through 6 films 🎥, etc... While the Infinity Stones story-arc was told through 9 films (encompassing 21 films in total). Long story short, Daredevil does fit in the MCU, just as much as he fits in the Defenders, just as much as he fit in Spider-Man's "No Way Home", just as much as Kingpin fit in "Hawkeye".

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Kingpin was strong in the series, him decapitating someone a mans head wasn't smooth, it was rage fuelled non stop smashing with the car door which eventually, bit by bit, broke his head. Compare that to hawkeye and he literally just ripped the car door off and sen tit flying with ease? MCU is not grounded at all, and yeah the characters have had stories throughout multiple films, it was never really the focus on them movies, hence why it took 9 for some people. Once again if its taken 10+ years to tell an arc it isn't that focused, as they've mixed in so many other things. Hulk is a prime example, he barely has a story. His transition into profressor Hulk was skipped over, he just one day became him. His transition back has yet to be explained. Thor's character got a major overhaul in Ragnarok so that cant even count. Black Widow's character has never really been developed.

[@wutdadeal3]

@@TheSlyNerdHour actually, you're incorrect. The MCU is more grounded than you know, hence the powers being downgraded compared to the comics. The MCU took the comics approach (how Marvel started in the comics) with whatever characters they had access to due to legal matters. Characters like Colson, Hawkeye, Black Widow are grounded characters. Tony Stark is grounded without his Iron Man suit, which was shown in both Iron Man and Iron Man 3. They fit the MCU in today's time instead of the 50s and 60s when Marvel started (different mind frame back then, different social groups, different technologies). Both Daredevil and the Punisher had an impossible time fighting Kingpin when they first matched up in the series (hinting at Kingpin's strength). Not to mention, NOBODY realistically stays at the same strength/power level if they are improving. You're trying to compare Kingpin level of strength from the time between the Avengers film and Age of Ultron film which is when Daredevil took place, to now (After "Endgame"). REALISTICALLY (meaning grounded) he is to get stronger. You are not making any logical sense with your theory.

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

@@wutdadeal3 We are not comparing to the comics though, we are comparing to what has been established. I agree the MCU is much more grounded than the comics, but the netlix series is much more grounded than the MCU, its relative to each other. Comparing what Black Widow has done to Daredevil shows she isn't as grounded as him. Look at her movie and all the stuff she survived which should have been seriously damaging. Charlie Cox's Daredevil wouldn't be doing all that And in terms of improving, how is Kingpin, who has been portrayed as just a big strong human, going to get even stronger to be surviving getting hit by vans and explosions. No one other human got powerups to their physical abilities? Thor is a god and his power grows, Iron got new suits, he himself didn't get stronger, Captain America got to use Mjlnir, but he still is physically the same. Same with Hawkeye and Black Widow. If they got upgrades to equipment, technology, etc, then fine This isn't anime where the humans gradually get strong enough to do ridiculous feats

[@wutdadeal3]

@@TheSlyNerdHour ok, let's look at Madame Gao....a little Asian lady who palm struck Daredevil (a tall, fit fighter) one time and blew him off his feet, sliding him across the room (first season, almost the last episode). How grounded is that compared to Kingpin? A palm strike with very little effort and/or strength. And you're saying that Daredevil (part of the Defenders) doesn't fit into the MCU. Daredevil, who comes across Iron Fist, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones...doesn't fit into the MCU. This is the same Daredevil who caught a brick thrown through a window before Peter Parker/Spider-Man could catch it. Again, your viewpoint is flawed. As for Kingpin surviving getting hit by a van is no different than a simple soldier surviving an explosion after Black Widow used him as a shield...in Civil War. And that soldier is smaller, less stronger than Kingpin. Or what about Daredevil falling from a rooftop? Yes, he was damaged but he survived. Daredevil gets just as much damage as Spider-Man does in the MCU. So, I still can't see your point about Daredevil not fitting in. Btw, the Punisher series is more grounded than Daredevil is.

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

@@wutdadeal3 Madame Gao used some form of magic to hit him, and even that was very subtle. Daredevil fits in the defenders because they are also very nerfed and grounded, that is by design, you cannot use that as an example as it backs up my point on the difference between the shows and the movies. You cannot talk about Daredevil catching a brick because at that point he WAS IN the MCU. That point is completely irrelevant on your part and poses the question, could he have done that in his own series? That backs up my point over yours. EXACTLY! You're comparing MCU Kingpin getting his by the van with OTHER MCU stuff, which backs my point up even more, now hes in the MCU hes doing silly stuff like that. You need to compare what hes done in his own series to what they do in the MCU, thats the whole point. Bringing up examples of stuff that only happens in the MCU doesn't help your case. Kingpin would not have easily gotten up after getting battered by a car in the Daredevil series, but he did in Hawkeye which is the difference. You also cannot compare him to Spiderman as Spiderman is enhanced, not a regular human. Plus Spiderman got beat the fuck up by the villains, and pretty much was fine to go fight them again at the end. Daredevil fell off a building and was on the verge of death for the rest of the episode.

[@Nu-Reality]

Peacemaker. That is all.

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

I'll admit I havent watched it, but is it better than Daredevil?

[@Nu-Reality]

@@TheSlyNerdHour I'm on the opposite end of things, personally myself have not gotten the chance to watch daredevil. But if it's anything like I've heard, it and Peacemaker are pretty close to being on the same level. Though very much different in tone and style

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

@@Nu-Reality That is really good to hear actually, I'm going to give Peacemaker a go I have heard some good things about it. Maybe I'll do a little reaction/commentary series on it

[@venividivici6738]

This aged like milk

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

Based on his appearance in She Hulk, its proving absolutely right. They had to make it a CGI mess to allow him to even compete. His show didn't feature a full CGI daredevil as it never needed to, it was grounded. Now he's back flipping off buildings in CGI mode

[@venividivici6738]

@@TheSlyNerdHour Ever touched a DD comic ever? If the flip he did in she hulk, was enough for you to dislike him then your suspension of disbelief must be like 0%. In my time of reading comics I learn there's a clichê rule while fighting bigger foes, which is be more agile than them, its what Batman, Spider-Man, Iron Fist, and Daredevil among others do. Overall in my opinion your exaggerating. DD was the best part of that shit show that was She-hulk so stop complaining about DD and maybe gocus on yhe big list of truly bad stuff that happened in that show. Oh and if you knew comics youd know he's a ladies man (even Foggy says so in the Netflix show) so ending up in bed with She-Hulk is 100% in character for him, just in case you were crying about that too. Overall this is all comic nerd talk, hope your not offended or mad about what I said ✌👍

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

@@venividivici6738 The thing is comic book daredevil and netflix daredevil are too completely different things. It's not about what he can do in the comics, its about establishing a certain version. The netflix version is not the same as the comics. It's literally like Robert Pattinsons or Christian Bales batman being in BvS or the Snyderverse in general. It doesn't fit. Yeah Batman can fight Superman, but them versions of him are much more grounded and have been established like that. And I didn't watch She Hulk, i dont care whether that was bad. What I do care about is the version of Daredevil, Charlie Cox, because it was the best Marvel show put out. INFACT- If Ben Afflecks Daredevil was in Shehulk doing all that I wouldn't complain because hes been established to be that type of character

[@venividivici6738]

@@TheSlyNerdHour I get you but I still think a flip doesn't ruin an entire character, get over it bro, its just a show, don't waste your brain on it, I sure don't👍

[@TheSlyNerdHour]

@@venividivici6738 It wasn't just a flip it was the whole CGI mess. And I don't waste much on it, I no longer watch the MCU shows anymore, think im done. Still yet to see Thor and Black Panther