Why Darth Vader Said The Death Star was the Empire's Greatest MISTAKE

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[@Lego-Joe-1]

Darth Vader: The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force. Luke Skywalker: (Uses the force to destroy the death star). Darth Vader: That's my boy!

[@mlo009]

Vader loved his son so much, proved him correct about the death star.

[@ArtByAhri]

he cheered secretly. "i told you palps. dumbass"

[@trevorzimmerman9398]

😂😂😂

[@kaidorade1317]

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force

[@Ravenfanatic5]

"Dont try to frighten us with your sorcerers ways Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebels' hidden fort... (Force choke) "I find your lack of faith disturbing"

[@yupnope3171]

Vader release him!

[@aliastheabnormal]

And the power of the imperial economy.

[@Ravenfanatic5]

@yupnope3171 "As you wish" "This bickering is pointless. Lord Vader will provide us with the location of the Rebel fortress by the time this station is operational. We will then crush the Rebellion with one swift stroke!"

[@Unxvailable-l-_IS_A_NONCE]

Darth Nihilus and Vitiate made an example of that reference

[@InfiniteNaos]

Thrawn, Tagg, and Vader all disliked the super weapon just based on resources to make a moon sized space station, instead of turning all those resources into more Star Destroyers and Super Star Destroyers.

[@nearoikthadorbadwagon1224]

My thoughts exactly. If they went with Grand Admiral Thrawns approach, the Empire probably would’ve destroyed the rebellion.

[@InfiniteNaos]

@@nearoikthadorbadwagon1224 Correct or even made a few legions of Tie Defenders then the Rebels would’ve had a hard time going ship to ship. At first the Empire was quantity over quality, but when the Death Star was being created then they lost the edge.

[@darkwulf23]

They were ultimately proven right. Every time a super weapon is deployed, everyone soon flocks to destroy it.

[@GrahamCStrouse]

The Empire’s military acquisition process was disturbingly similar to post-Cold War America’s. Except our super-weapons break even more frequently. Imagine if the Death Star was defeated because its super-laser had unforeseen cooling issues and they couldn’t even use it. Or if the hyperdrive had an unforeseen defect and the station could only make teeny-tiny jumps and mostly had to travel through real space. Leia: “Dantooine. The Rebels are on Dantooine.” Talkin: “See, she can be reasonable. Commence Firing Sequence.” Leia: “What?” Talkin: “You’re far too trusting. Dantooine’s far too remote to…” (An out of breath super-laser tech is admitted into the chamber.) Tarkin: “What is it, Lieutenant? I presume you have a VERY good reason for being here.” Vader: “Here it comes.” Techie: “Sir, may we speak privately.” Tarkin (clearly perturbed, but also looking resigned): “Please escort the Princess from this chamber so we may speak privately.” Vader: “Return her to her cell. I am…looking forward to hearing what the Lieutenant has to say.” Tarkin (sighs): “Very well. We will deal with her later.” Techie: “Sir, there’s a problem with the thermal management system. If we fire the super-laser we’ll explode.” Vader: “It is as I have foreseen.” Tarkin: “As you…foresaw, Lord Vader! And you said nothing? What good is your sorcery if you don’t fill us in on the details.” Vader: “Sorcery? The Force had nothing to do with this. I built the galaxy’s best pod-racer in hut on a dessert planet. From a box of scraps. I figured we’d maybe get one shot off before the cooling system melted. It did melt, didn’t it?” Techie: “Y-yes, Lord Vader. It’s very, very melted.” Tarkin: “Well, shit.” Vader: “I told you this technological terror was nothing compared to the power of the Force, Moff Tarkin. Tell me, Lieutenant, what condition is the Hyperdrive in? You make speak freely.” Techie: “The primary hyperdrive is also…melted. We might get the backup going in a couple weeks. We’ll need to bring in our hyperdrive contractor from Kuat Yards, though.” Tarkin: “Why did we hire all those different contractors, Lord Vader! This is appalling!” Lord Vader: “That’s what you get when you hire the guy who puts in the lowest bid. Not my department.” Techie: “M-may I go, Grand Moff? Lord Vader?” Vader: “You may take your leave of us, Lieutenant.” Tarkin: “You are dismissed.” (Techie scurries off.) Tarkin: “I noticed, Lord Vader, that you did not do…what you usually do when you are…disappointed.” Vader: “Disappointed? I’m rather enjoying this. Also, Admirals are infinitely replaceable. Good engineers are hard to find. Plus I could really use some me time.” Tarkin: “So what are we supposed to do, Lord Vader? Just stay here in orbit around Alderaan, floating around like a bunch of assholes?” Vader: “It is the will of the Force.” Tarkin: “I hate you.” Vader: “I know.”

[@InfiniteNaos]

@@GrahamCStrouse It would make sense that some systems would have problems as controlling the power of Kyber crystals to destroy planets would cause a lot of drawback, even firing it one. I’m sure even in Rogue One as the Death Star only used a few generators to glass the planet on the surface I’m sure it still had a few hiccups before using full power to destroy Alderaan. Then looking back on Rebels when Sabine and Ezra found a speeder sized Kyber crystal being shipped off to, assuming, the area where the Death Star was being constructed. Yet, when the stabilizers holding the crystal were sabotaged leaving the entire crystal to go critical mass it still showed how much power it had before being focused into a planet destroying laser beam. Scary, scary stuff without the use of proper engineers and logistics.

[@darkwulf23]

The Death Star was the ultimate symbol of the Empire’s cruelty and fallibility. The rebellion was struggling to maintain its goals and was in desperate need of a major victory. The Death Star provided that victory. And when everyone saw that the Empire was crazy enough to use a planet killer but was weak enough to lose same planet killer, the rebellion only grew.

[@thunderstudent]

It should also be understood that the destruction of Alderaan was a catalyst for many who were on the fence to join the Rebellion. Because Alderaan was as Leia said, a peaceful world. One with loyal Imperial citizens, officers and soldiers. One that had a lot of resources for the galaxy. To wipe out such a planet that was a cornerstone of the galaxy for so long would cause a backlash of emense proportions. What sane government destroys their own loyal civilization?

[@darkwulf23]

@@thunderstudent Oh yea, no doubt. It also led to mass defection from the Empire. Many troopers, officers, and pilots were Alderaan-born. But the destruction of the planet killer also needed to happen for systems to defect. Otherwise, systems would be too scared to join. Edit: Also if you manage to get your super weapon destroyed a day after you demonstrated it's full power, doesn't reflect well on the Empire.

[@inquisitorgarza312]

Realistically Vader was a realist and he had a lot of practical experience with his years as both a force user and general who saw the failures of super weapons during the Clone Wars.

[@agent7072]

I 💯 agree with you, not only all of that into but like Vader has stated. "Even a super weapon lacks power in the face of The Force." This fact has been shown time and time again.

[@Karlos1234ify]

A giant death machine that can be easily destroyed hitting a small target. I can understand Annie’s rage

[@adamd5849]

His greatest fear was always a youngling managing to strike him down once he entered the suit

[@GrahamCStrouse]

Vader was a pretty damn good engineer. I reckon he saw all those lowest bid wins cost-plus contracts and knew the Emperor’s plan was doomed from the start. You know what they say: Never interrupt your enemy and/or Sith Master when he’s making a mistake. 😁

[@HebiSaru21]

One could say Vader 'Finds Their Lack of Faith a *disturbance* ' 🤣

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

“Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet, or even a whole system, is insignificant next to the power of the Force.” - Darth Vader

[@HeroicBrando]

Luke called it. "Your overconfidence is your weakness."

[@Fire-kid20]

This really just shows how much pride sidious had , if he would’ve listen to Vader and thrawn and invested in thrawns tie defender project , the rebals wouldn’t stand a chance .

[@ZeldaSam1]

Let's just be grateful he didn't listen to them.

[@kurtpunchesthings2411]

see that's really it instead of this dumb death star they should have either made more Star Destroyers or invested in Tie Defender's

[@Nedzilla345]

The Empire always had the mentality of "Bigger is Better" despite the massive flaw in its design, and I think Palpatine encouraged that belief, Disney cannon wise. Legends had some super weapons that were far more effective like the Dark Troopers and Galaxy Gun.

[@lugismansion2400]

the original trilogy and prequels was before Disney took over Lucas Films which was in 2012

[@Michael_Prater]

Imagine how out of your mind you gotta be for Vader to just stand there calmly while getting yelled at and ordered around like “yea this guys nuts” 💀

[@TheKing-ed2ot]

I’m actually surprised Vader didn’t kill Tarkin right then and there. He might as well had since he ended up being punished for the destruction of the Death Star. I’m really shocked at Palpatine allowing the officers to mock the force as well.

[@Michael_Prater]

@@TheKing-ed2ot vader ending up being the sanest and most logical thinking person in the empire with the most power was not something i saw coming😂

[@modev4163]

Anakin destroyed a battleship as an untrained child, by expoiting a weak spot, i see you mentioned that as i was typing😂

[@cvlcek144]

Palps was so obsessed with his power thar he didn't see how much it was failing him

[@BigBlueHorses]

Vader wasn’t about twisting the force through sorcery. Sidious only does things for himself. His power. His immortality. Vader wasn’t geared that way. Sidious chose an apprentice who was military minded. Vader understood the flawed metal ball only galvanized opposition, it gave people something tangible to rally against. Showing up unannounced and unleashing the dark side to wipe out opposition was psychologically more devastating and more effective in the long term.

[@GrahamCStrouse]

Vader was also a naturally-gifted engineer. He knew a bad design when he saw one…

[@Anti-Villain-Wolf]

Putting faith in a single weapon is an extremely big gamble, and almost never pays off. As we saw in A New Hope, one well placed shot and it's game over. Even without a rebel sympathizer having a hand in the design of the first, the destruction of the second Death Star, just proves the point again. Never put all your eggs in one basket. Having a massive well trained and well equipped army is easily the better option.

[@tombakabones274]

The death Star represented the empire's arrogance and ultimately in the end it was the empire's own arrogance that led to its defeat

[@DudeStone]

The death star was the ultimate yet worst flex sidious wanted, when any and everyone would have taken ultimate power and resources overand < resources put into power with no leftover resources

[@nearoikthadorbadwagon1224]

In a way I guess you can say Vader was not wrong. His arguments to me personally make complete sense and I agree with them.

[@TechDeathCowboy]

Vader, Thrawn, and Tagge: Yo Palps maybe we need more Star Destroyers instead of a giant ball of death Palpatine: Nah *proceeds to build the secret Star Destroyer fleet on Exegol*

[@primal1233]

Thanks for another awesome video 👍

[@aster4jaden]

Given the power of the Force Storm (Wormhole) from Legends, Vader wasn't wrong that The Force dwarfed the Death Star.

[@mlo009]

Sometimes Legends is too crazy & overzealous with the force powers.

[@kurtpunchesthings2411]

i really do believe at various times in the history The Force itself willed something to happen for examples When Plagueis tampered with the Midiclorians the Force willed Anikan into existence to balance the force again when Obi Wan dueled Anikan on Mustafar i firmly believe the Force itself Willed Obi Wan to win otherwise Anikan would have become too powerful to stop and the Force also Willed Luke to destroy the DeathStar

[@kaimagnus5760]

Yet more proof that Thrawn was a better Emperor than Palpatine.

[@johnflynn6140]

all there eggs in one basket and Vader knew this was a bad idea

[@wolf2403]

It's funny how the emperor himself successfully crippled the empire. 9:45 he shoulda just killed Tarkin and said to the emperor that Tarkin insulted the emperor and tried to circumvent his authority. As for if Thrawn and Vader ruled the empire/swayed the emperor, I feel the rebels would probably have far less of an effect. of course, for plot reasons they'd still win, but without the hubris of the officers and horrible resource drain the death star caused, the empire would likely be a better place to live in. I'd also hope that Vader and Thrawn may look inwards to further improve the empire.

[@davidmyers4797]

Off the back of this; video request. What if Vader and Thrawn teamed up after the destruction of the first death star?

[@insupportofjunhado]

My favorite version of The Death Star is a giant mining machine the empire stuck a punch of "point defenses" a hyperdrive and a deflector shield on and called it a battle station, but was never actually designed to withstand attack and really helpless without said shield if not for the fact the rebels had so little fire power. Where Luke meets the original designer and she's like "they did what now?" I feel vindicated that the Star Trek reboot made a canon version of that story.

[@TheCastellan]

3:36 Henry Kissinger: “Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.”

[@dennispombier3701]

That’s a heck of a video!

[@zeusapollo6504]

Great Video, where did you get the source with Thrawn and the Tie-Defenders? This was all in the game Tie-Fighter its from 1995 i believe. The Tie-Defenders would have made a difference vs the Rebells for sure, the empire always had huge problems to fight the rebel squadrons. It would have been exactly whats needed to secure victory over the rebells. What a pity. In the game Tie-Fighter the rebels never stood a chance, as the advanced Tie Fighters, Tie Defenders and their typical Star Destroyers made quick work of them, in that game the real pain(meaning difficulty in that game) came from an imperial traitor who used advanced Tie Fighters vs the loyal imperial navy. Can't deny Death Stars and super Star Destroyers look cool, though. Possibly, the main reasion why i prefer so much the original Triology, in the prequels we did not have these great ship designs.

[@pullo5518]

Excellent video, Star destroyers with support of new Venerators carrying tie defenders, tie bombers and upgraded tie interceptors would have made the empire invincible.

[@nurseactual]

Vader was right, it was a waste of resources for Palpatine's vanity. That was Sheev's weakness- vanity. His overconfidence Luke saw was a symptom of it. Sheev was completely and insanely in love with himself and his power. He truly thought he was a god.

[@BlackDiamond2718]

The thing is for one, it costs a tremendous amount. Two, it just destroys planets instead of conquering them. Three, it incites greater resistance. Four, star destroyers and troops can control space more effectively. Five, if you lose it in any way then it severely delegitimizes your rule over the galaxy.

[@user-ol5ru8pk1z]

Every once in a while there's a video you think you know what it'll be about, and then watching it'll blow you away how deep and good it is. This is one of them. Now what i REALLY wonder is when Palpatine was punishing Vader and scapegoating him for the DS being destroyed why Vader didn't lash out like he did after being in his first suit on Coruscant. Vader knew he was right to a T and knew the Emperor messed up big time. He should've capitalized off that.

[@Gor85]

I completely agree. Vader was completely right. Force is the Force. It binds everything,holds galaxy together. It can control. May the Force be with you😊

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

Cool 😎 video bro

[@Darth_Traitorous]

It always bothered me that Vader never decided to build his own super weapon. He saw firsthand what the separatist ion cannon did in the clone Wars. So he could easily get the plans to build it himself and have that as one of his ships and his fleet. Do you know how devastating that would be against the rebellion. He hit them with an ion blast and their computers are fried and he easily destroys him and kills them all. He would have won the rebellion that way if he ever built that ship.

[@InfiniteNaos]

That’s the problem with super weapons that both Vader and Anakin saw. When you put so much resources into one particular project, especially on the scale of the death star, you’d lose so much if that weapon were to be destroyed. -Death Star -Death Star II -Mass Shadow Generator -Star Forge -The Malevolence and her sister ships, etc. If you spread those resources and used logistics to upgrade said weapons then that would be a much better plan than the previous explained.

[@Darth_Traitorous]

@@InfiniteNaos wasn't the malevolence the same size as his super Star destroyer. So he could have one of those and it could be crewed by is 501st legion and have that massive weapon. He had his super Star destroyer called the executor and it did have heavy firepower so why wouldn't he build one of these instead it's a little bit smaller it's got two big weapons and if he could run it off kyber or something similar it would be even more efficient. That ship would have more guns and instead of just a bunch of droids. An updated malevolence would be really cool to see during the empire time and he would be able to destroy more rebels that way

[@Only1199]

@@InfiniteNaostbf star forge would have been way more useful to the empire than the death stars.

[@InfiniteNaos]

@@Only1199 You’re not wrong it was a perfect semi-conscious factory that could mass produce ships at a much faster rate than having hired workers.

[@InfiniteNaos]

@@Darth_Traitorous That is a good point it was around the size of a Super Star Destroyer, but that was the largest super weapon the Separatist’s had in terms of size. That also is a good point of having an Imperial-class Malevolence being built during the Age of the Empire. At the time having lots of resources and some willing workers to put it all together. Yet, during the Clone Wars there was a fight between both resources and credits in order to make all 5 ships which were limited since the Separatist’s weren’t as numerous as the Republic.

[@vi6ddarkking]

A better Example of a Death Star style weapon being used is the Kaizer Moon in the Gigastructural Engineering Mod for Stellaris. It's one hell of a fleet killer flagship but if destroyed it all but cripels the Kaiser's military, until they make another. And that was the biggest failure of the Dead Star. It was a Weapon of Terror. Not A Weapon of War. A Battlestation the Size of the Death Star as a flagship that can eradicate entire armadas in one volley has a military purpose. And can be the transition to the next level of warfare in the same way that we transition from the 1800s sailing ships into the WW1 Dreadnoughts.

[@kingshadow8782]

Awesome.

[@lordmaul3]

I agree with Vader's assessment about the Death Star. It was a mistake.

[@coomodus2592]

And yet Sideous does train him. We have the material backing it up. The Death Star was a symbol of fear for the galaxy. The Sith/Force was known by little. Even Sideous mostly kept up the mask of being just an old man. “Somehow he returned…” Very few people understood nor could comprehend what the dark side, Sith were. Han Solo is an example, remember what ge said to Kenobi? He doubted the force. Po couldn’t understand what Kylo was, nor did he understand how his blaster fire could be stopped in mid air.

[@ricardob.4517]

Was it possible that the Emperor created the Death Star not to fight the rebel alliance, but in preparation for the Yuuzhan Vong?

[@sophiemendez5567]

A little, thrawn told him a little in general about threats from outside the galaxy. The death star though is for anything goes. There's a funny book called death star I believe, where some hutts get the plans, but basically use what would we would call Chinese tofu building for parts and creation. Basically everything was operational, but did everything opposite of what it was supposed to do half the time. 🤣

[@modev4163]

The deathstar was the basket they put their eggs in

[@williamvalentine4858]

Putting all of your eggs in one basket is a bad idea.

[@IgnisNatus]

Were the TIE defenders those that Morgan Elsbeth designed in 'Tales of the Empire'?

[@kingshadow8782]

Nice.

[@diosoth]

I believe Rogue One canonized that the weakness was intentionally put there, but you'd think that someone on the design or construction teams might have looked at this and said "hey, we should put a vent cover here or something" or at least someone else out of the thousands working on the thing may have looked at this and though tit was a massive design flaw and fixed it. Prior to Rogue One Dorkly did a bit where the engineer defends the need for a vent for the massive superweapon's heat, but even so, no protective cover or things to stop bombs from going in? A few thin obstructions down the massive pipe at least?

[@GodisGod777]

The Death Star is comparable to the Titanic in our real world. Thought too big, too invincible to fail. The Death Star was seen by Vader as an afront to the Force. Just as the Titanic can be argued as man's afront to nature itself.

[@HiddenWen]

And the Empire not only built one, but TWO. The second one being even bigger. I honestly think even if the Rebellion was squashed, the Empire would inevitably just rot from the inside out from all the mismanagement and arrogance within the ranks.

[@Just_Pele]

I guess I can understand how Sidious made the mistake of constructing the first Death Star, but to then double-down and make a 2nd, and then making a 3rd with the FO? The guy was too stupid to rule a galaxy, no matter how much raw power he had. 🙄

[@Iwillone]

Building not 2 of those things broke the galactic bank.

[@radarreally2110]

Wasn't the deathstar a response to Palpatiene's visions of the Vong? I admit its been years since I read anything starwars so events may be mixed up in my head, but I think he had a vision of rhe Vong battle spheres the size of planets and decided he needed a fleet of ships that could carry weapons heave enough to counter a planetoid sized ship quickly. And there were several dozen planned for? Or something like that? I'm sure someone with much better, and fresher memory will let me know where I messed all that up.

[@Crimsonking468]

Emperor Palpatine more than likely just wanted the Eath Star created because he wanted to Inspire Terror throughout the Masses of the Galaxy which would be a Scare Tactic but to those that are Tactically Minded like Darth Vader Grand Admiral Thrawn and Admiral Tagge the Weakness was Glaringly Obvious. Although since Emperor Palpatine built a Second Death Star he probably didn’t learn his Lesson from the First Death Star’s Destruction and since Palpatine has a Massive Ego and is a Functioningly Psychopath with Much Arrogance he probably thought his Plans Completely Unstoppable.

[@zachdillenger5468]

If the death atar did not have wuch a crippling weakness honestly the plan to build it was fine imo as it ensures the rebels cannot win but the catch 22 is your have to ensure its not destroyed. The mistake was not building it but more not just adding layers, of grate's to the exgaust pipes ensuring even with the firce it would be impossible to take out

[@robertagu5533]

On the Defender an Death Star Thrawn an Vader, etc had it very right... The MAJOR thing the Imps SERIOUSLY lacked were good FIGHTERS. Ironic the one thing they seriously needed they turned down outright EVEN when pointed out. An with this an everything connected to it... Vader... Classic Darth Vader was ACTUALLY doing good with this.. an ACTUALLY calling the likes of Tarkin out for the Megalomaniac hed actually become if he hadn't already been. An Vader shoulda been whom Sideous listened to MOST along with Thrawns Strategic genius... Which would a probably seen Tarkin put in his place by the Grand Admiral had Thrawns been there. Bet Sideous woulda felt differently over giving Tarkin so much power had he gotten truly insane an targeted something major like Coruscant, Kessel or Kuat, etc. or any number of other important sites to the Sith..

[@thomasparque7834]

I think Vader was right overall about the Death Star and in a way the Emperor bing a power Dark Lord of the Sith was forgeting Darkside was his true sourse of power. I think if he did listen to Vader, Thrawn and Tagg about the Death Star while sticking to ture to the Rule of Two the empire would probably last longer.

[@thomasparque7834]

Those were the Emperor’s big blunder to running the empire he mostly discarded the Rule of Two and just put all his sith wyrm eggs into one battlestation. If he did a better job keeping Sith ways from seeping into his ranks things would have been better for him in the long run

[@Veretax]

Actually I would argue that the Death Star is the Pinnacle of Sith philosophy. If you really think about it and this is a tire Trope in Western media but you definitely see it in Star Wars with every Sith they're about accumulating power and and what that brings to them don't realize is that the unbridled pursuit of that power is what always ends up out doing the sith. Every single time it has the results in the rise of the people who will undo them or the rise of other technologies that will be used against them it might feel like a psycho Revolution but really it's a cycle of Destruction they consolidate power they get great power and then when it's concentrated that's when they are most vulnerable

[@baldrian22]

lets see, we have a weapon the sice of a moon that require INSANE amount of resouces to make, the cost of it would have been completly nuts. it requiers a LOT of manpower (probably enough for well over a thousand star destroyers if not super star destroyers), there is no special codes etc needed to be put in that only the emperor have acces to so the comander of the weapon is able to fire it on anything they want making it a massive risk of the comander stealing the entire thing and trying to make themself the ruler of the emprie. honestly a better method would have been small space stations with weapons aimed down at planets with unrest etc with various lvl of weapons of mass destruction from tactical weapons all the way to weapons able to glass the entire planet. pick the first planet beeing to rebelious deploy those things and glass it or have it above them. most planets probably have some type of weapon like that but for defending aigenst invaders already so it probably able to be used in both ways or repurpesed into it. far less manpower needed in the long run probably far less resources needed. hell a fleet of star destroyers can easly do the same if needed and ships in star wars have been able to make a planet impossible to live on for thousands of years, it was possible even during the infinint empire 25 000 years ago, the mandalorien did it during the crusades to, the republic did it during the human supremesist where the republic was led by a cult for centuries. so yea the death star is a MASSIVE wast of time, money resources mannpower etc and the goal of the station failed completly

[@paulbunyan9436]

Similar in construction to the core of the ultimate weapon here on earth...Very troubling this is...

[@nickelbullet5544]

Darth Nihilus, the original death star

[@felixaguirre3954]

Man everyone rise against the empire because if the death star

[@mechaboy0226]

Vaders punishment by palpatine was unfair tbh he was one of the few that saw exactly what was gonna happen and warned him about yet palpatine did not listen

[@joeyvernon9216]

A lightsaber powered by a kyber crystal can deflect force lightning, so could a personal energy shield, also powered by a kyber crystal, block abilities such as choke? I feel like this question should have been asked a long time ago....in a galaxy far ,far away

[@ggpt9641]

It seems like there might be a connection between the Death Star and Sidious's ego. You'd need something that big to go against the most intelligent military minds of Vader and Thrawn, and then do it again. Vader is certainly agreeable about the Death Star, oh yes.

[@valmid5069]

Viewers: man youtube recs is lame Star Wars Content: *Hello There!!!!*

[@starkilr101]

Vader and the Death Star are also the same. Big, hulking weapons of mass destruction.

[@KainzMusic]

What if Vader had given Tarkin a few moments of choke and reminded him of whom his service is to..?

[@nurseactual]

Tarkin wouldve killed him, or tried to. And he was capable of it. Tarkin once hunted Vader down on some planet and damn near did kill him.

[@RaphBlade7]

*The following are the musings of a Salty SEAGULL named EARL who just shows up in my posts whenever he feels like it!* [EARL the Salty SEAGULL:] "I could imagine Anakin was pretty proud of Luke using the Force to destroy the Death Star as it ultimately proved he was right! He ironically did everything he could to protect the Death Star (trying to recover the stolen plans & defending the Death Star in his own TIE Fighter) yet Palpatine still blamed Vader for its destruction! Makes sense that as the chosen one, Anakin/Vader would recognize the power of the Force was superior to the Death Star & ultimately it was Luke's use of the force guided by the Force Ghost of Obi-Wan that destroyed the Death Star! Sure Anakin/Vader was Luke's father, and like his father did with the Trade Federation Control Station, Luke destroyed the Death Star!"

[@RandomNY1234]

Was it because of all the private contractors they needed to build it?

[@israelfields5721]

The Death Star took 20 years to build Turken even says in a New Hope that what was left of the Republic was no more anyway if the Emperor had listened to Thrawn and Vader it could have worked faster or better after the Death Stars destruction

[@chocomalk]

Sabre envy.

[@psiho94]

If Vader and Thrawn overthrew the emperor, the empire would've most likely not lose. The caviat being vaders emotional stability of course...

[@ericm5315]

It was an ego piece for Tarkin, basically. Completely impractical and vulnerable. Plus Tarkin doctrine ultimately resulted in the fall of the empire. Turns out if you beat everyone down too hard they fight back.

[@isaiahbanks110]

It wasn't just Vader who hated it the force itself hated the weapon even the dark side of the force battle stations are just like nuclear weapons they create horrible wounds in the force ask Jeda, Alderaan, and any planet the death star has ever touched there are other battle stations more horrible than the death star itself and the force conspired to either make them disappear or in the death star's case destroyed the universe requires a balance of life and death light and dark respectively super weapons like the death star greatly disrupts that balance which is why the force itself hates the death star

[@SpeedyStone]

Tarkin had no fear of Vader because Tarkin reported DIRECTLY to Sidious. Tarkin viewed Vader as an equal... or even lesser. He knew who Vader was under the mask. And considered him to be a lap dog for Sidious. And he was right.

[@mriddley]

He was right to hate it why destroy a olanet like thia when there are sith rituals that can destroy all life on a planet and increase a siths power a waste of resources whem you think about it

[@FatherhoodAndFitness]

That's no moon..

[@shadeofshattered3]

The emperor isnt a military man he was a politician so of course any war plays he made was atrocious its amazing vader called him master probably could out think out maniuver and predict Palpatine movements

[@halfbakedmedia]

Why was Tarkin was hallucinating?

[@CYBERHOUNDYT]

Empire wanted to remove the planets not secure

[@richardrobinson1663]

It was a boondoggle and the fact they did it twice is kinda comical.

[@erikkornfeld785]

Kind of makes you think that Darth Vader didn't kill Luke because he wanted the death Star destroyed

[@TheHONKLER1488]

LET STAR WARS END

[@samuelrobles3737]

Day 500 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

[@BMaster2119]

Vader should’ve just killed Tarkin when he snapped at him. Palpatine said he was gonna have Vader kill him soon if he didn’t die on the Death Star. Would’ve saved Alderaan.

[@pastorofmuppets2349]

Still don't understand how you get the name of Vaders flagship wrong.

[@matthewmann8969]

What if Grievous armor was covered in Salamiri and he was THEE master of every lightsaber form during times of the Clone Wars including Trakata And Sokan plus the ultimate marksperson with any firearm?

[@MRGaines12YT]

It’s funny thrawn Vader and tag was the smartest in all of the empire military and even the emperor since palpatine was blinded by the Death Star power

[@mauricetoyer1844]

The Emperor himself inadvertently caused the Empire's own destruction by spending trillions of credits on not 1, but 2 death stars and have power hungry men like Tarkin in charge of the battle stations. Overconfidence has always been Sidious' weakness and the rebels exploited every chance they got. I love it when the bad guys lose. Rebel 4 life!

[@catbert2412]

so was vader somewhat happy that the first deathstar got destroyed?

[@samdickenson5852]

Vader is supposed to be second in command not the moffs.

[@adrianb714]

More than one great mistake. ❌ Get got rid of clones in favor of humans who were inferior. ❌ Palpatine putting people in power who didn't deserve it. ❌ Investing in money consuming projects instead of investing in the empire for better performance ❌ Allowing his arrogance, just like the Jedi, to get a better of him. ❌ Instead of order and stability, they choose fear and intimidation which don't always last They did more than one great mistake. As soon the empire was formed it was already doomed from the start

[@SmokeyMcb]

If I met Darth Vader I would tell him that I agree with him about the Death Star being a big mistake. I would also tell him that Darth Vader would of been a better Emperor unlike Palpatine who was secretly trying to kill Darth Vader.

[@Guntrap861]

😊

[@luisduron2722]

5/27/2024

[@SurnaturalM]

He was an enforcer. Not a magician.

[@chineseman6580]

Vader destroyed Sidious in his madness just like how Sidious destroyed Plagaus. Just the way of the Sith. When your master becomes disillusioned that’s the prime time to destroy them. Vader’s reasoning was different but the trend still follows.

[@ericblue5436]

Vader getting blamed for the failings of Grand Moff Tarkin and the first Death Star is messed up. He had nothing to do with it, yet Palpatine put the blame on him! The f---?!? That's almost as bad me getting blamed for stuff in the states when I'm deployed to Iraq!

[@eaphantom9214]

I stated be4 a while ago - Vader and admiral Thrawn viewed it as counterproductive and a bulls eye target for any would-be rebels hoping to get the upper hand on the empire Oh and Vader knew Galen Erso may have sabotaged it deliberately 😏

[@AdrianRolland]

He did, Krennic Informed him but we dont get to see it in the movie, wich is why by the end of the first movie, he escapes in His Tie fighter. when the first death star exploded,

[@SHARKVADERS]

NNNNNNOOOOOOO