Why did EVERY dual use Stadium FAIL?

Multipurpose stadiums used to dominate the MLB and NFL. Now there are none. Thank you MANSCAPED for sponsoring this video! 20% OFF Manscaped + Free Shipping code POINT20 at bit.ly/2RIgQmk
In 1971, 20 of the 24 NFL stadiums had dual purpose venues. Oakland Alameda will be the last of these stadiums in use this year. Why did this happen? Why are there no more multipurpose stadiums? The answer is deeper than you think.
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[@been2all505]

Because we didn’t pay $150 to see somebody get a first down on second base.

[@supersasukemaniac]

meanwhile in Japan they score touchdowns on homeplate.

[@krambone]

Been2 All50 going for Touchrun or Home Down lolol

[@kdwaynec]

I didn't mind, I always got a kick out of watching the centerfielder crash into the goalpost

[@davidlafleche1142]

The only baseball stadium that actually worked for football was Fenway Park.

[@DevonMopiedmont1143]

Never been to Oakland but even on TV It was miserable to watch because it's just a bad look. Why is the field split in half by multiple sports.

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

Dual-use stadiums in a nutshell be like: "I'm at the baseball field!" "I'm at the football field!" "I'm at the combination baseball field and football field!" A two for one sounds like a good deal at first, but sometimes it's too good to be true...

[@sparkynewman6692]

The 1970's multi use stadiums failed because nobody manscaped in the 1970's

[@4thegloryofthelord]

I can’t stop laughing. But it’s probably a valid point.

[@aguyandhiscomputer]

Yes, nobody could get any work done having manscraped themselves the previous night.

[@hugh-johnfleming289]

... and you guys wear girl pants. The future is doomed?!!!?

[@melovetorun]

Ron Jeremy is to thank.

[@marka.graffakasnakebitenat3736]

Men and Women

[@quasimoto7662]

The 70’s stadiums failed because of the architecture being very bland. Many of the stadiums were very successful, most notably RFK, but most of the stadiums were too similar to one another in terms of the brutalist architecture

[@domanddev]

Yo honestly I said “oh hey that’s the vet” so many times in this video before realizing it was a different stadium lol

[@willp.8120]

@@domanddev These stadiums were very similar. Here is how I'd group the multi-purpose stadiums. That is, in terms of similarities . Atlanta Fulton County Stadium (Atlanta) Riverfront Stadium (Cincinnati) Three Rivers Stadium (Pittsburgh) Busch Stadium (St. Louis) RFK Stadium (Washington) Veterans Stadium (Philadelphia) Oakland Alameda Coliseum (Oakland) Angels Stadium (Anaheim) Mile High Stadium (Denver) Joe Robbie Stadium (Miami) Jack Murphy/Qualcomm Stadium (San Diego) Astrodome (Houston) Metrodome (Minneapolis) King Dome (Seattle)

[@Fireyninjadog]

RFK was successful cuz the senators left, giving the redskins the field

[@dallasbrubaker6054]

@@willp.8120 The only difference between Atlanta Fulton County Stadium and Riverfront Stadium, Three Rivers Stadium, Busch Stadium. and Veterans Stadium is Atlanta had real grass and the others had astro turf. LOL

[@jessculp7943]

RFK was very good in the 60s and 70s that is not failure...

[@KingQwerty]

Soccer and Football stadiums work though cause same large rectangle shape.

[@ademirsegura6307]

Qwerty1 yeah but seeing soccer lines with football lines really gets confusing whereas at MBS in Atlanta you don’t see that at Gillette Stadium there is a possibility of seeing both even before the soccer stadiums was being built

[@FireMarshallStev]

Those aren't dual-sport stadiums because soccer isn't a sport.

[@ademirsegura6307]

FireMarshallStev yes it is even pro wrestling is a sport lol

[@ademirsegura6307]

Sebastian Huth oh shit 😅

[@samosei471]

FireMarshallStev basketball and hockey have dual sport stadium

[@northstarstatepolitics1652]

is it possible for me to watch a sports vid without hearing about someones junk?

[@moose7454]

TGSGAMER360 nah

[@JuanRodriguez-mr8ql]

if you want to pay for all the content you watch

[@northstarstatepolitics1652]

@@JuanRodriguez-mr8ql tbh i'd rather watch free content

[@87alock]

Just fast forward through it like the rest of us

[@fromthehaven94]

Other channels plug the sponsors *AFTER* the content of each video. At least the ones I subscribe to, anyway.

[@Paul-jz1lv]

Forgot to mention that Kansas City was one of the few handful of cities that have had single use stadiums since the early 70s. Both stadiums were built at the same time. They only share parking lots and some underground administrative/storage areas. Still a nice arrangement.

[@bartsullivan4866]

Though dated I think Kansas City definitely did it the right way. They didn't stick it to there fan bases and demand massive billion dollar stadiums at public cost instead of private. So I view Kaufman Sports complex as a win-win. Renovated them or modernized. It's too bad more cities in the 1970's didn't try and duplicate that pattern with shared parking facilities and a smaller beautiful baseball park next door to a big huge football stadium. Would have saved a lot of money in the long run. I still think its silly for owners to want a new ballpark after only 25 years that means they didn't build it right in the 1st place. Looking at you Texas Rangers, Atlanta Braves etc.

[@jacobmeade1045]

In the uk these are actually starting to pick up in popularity again with new technologies that negates many of the problems such as using sliding plates at the spurs stadium which have an American football pitch underneath the football pitch. It’s really cool and allows for reliable fields for both sports

[@jessica_7474]

the difference there is that both pitches are still rectangles

[@absea7918]

Nice clip! I think Kansas City had it right.. They built Arrowhead, and Kaufman next to each other, built in 1972/1973. In Seattle, after we demo'd the Kingdome, something similar was built.

[@therighthandmann]

Royals & Arrowhead were built in a particular alignment with each other to facilitate a big arched rolling roof structure that could be moved over one or the other stadiums during inclement weather. Ultimately, the cost of the idea kept it from leaving the drawing board .

[@eaglesfan9712]

Philadelphia’s stadium’s are all right next to each other

[@rileyberggren3356]

The Metrodome for baseball was ridiculous. Giant baggies for fences, stacked up seats, a roof that was the same color as the ball, and a funny looking infield... but we Twins fans loved it, and were sad to see it go. An exception to the "lack of intimacy" claim in my opinion.

[@adamdavis4417]

Target field is gorgeous (in the summer) as a brewer fan I can’t wait to check it out. Good riddance to the metrodome. There are moments or a brief second that I miss country stadium in Milwaukee, but really I don’t. Those stadiums were all replaced for a good reason. Just be lucky you lived long enough to see them both.

[@AEMoreira81]

Riley Berggren - Also, the Vikings had priority except for the World Series, requiring some scheduling quirks.

[@robminmonaca]

However for 37 years of Minnesota gophers college football they moved due to it not having good attendance and lacking a college campus atmosphere.

[@bbkangs]

When I was little, I loved playing Madden football at a stadium that was also a baseball field.

[@madisonyarletts6174]

Yes thought I was the only one!!!

[@shaqhill810]

Same. This is why I loved playing with Miami and Oakland in season mode back then.

[@MichaelBarrett1984]

Candlestick Park!

[@durrelljack8322]

Was awesome having the dirt Infield on the football field.

[@dback139]

The Vet!

[@scaryhobbit211]

FUN FACT: U.S. Bank Stadium is technically also a dual use Football-Baseball stadium, as in addition to the Vikings it is the winter home of the University of Minnesota baseball team.

[@Cwright386]

More real grass in football is needed. I miss watching muddy games and snow games

[@cragnamorra]

The most recent snow game I remember was a few years ago (maybe '14 or '15?). Philly played someone in a heavy snowfall. The snow was several inches deep on the field (might've gotten up around a foot at heaviest) and stayed that way because it kept snowing during the game. Of course that affected play; everyone much slower, people slipping, ball doing funny things, etc etc. What struck me most though, was a post-game player interview. The reporter asked about the challenge of the conditions, how hard it must've been. The guy (I don't remember who) said something along the lines of "It was great, it was like we were kids playing sandlot football again. Everybody was laughing. Most fun I've had in the NFL."

[@danieldougan269]

Too much risk for injury. Artificial turf might not be as fun for the fans, but all you have to do is watch footage of RGIII's knee get torn up at a muddy FedEx Field during a playoff game to understand why this is a problem.

[@Cwright386]

@@cragnamorra that's awesome!

[@Cwright386]

@@danieldougan269 people need to remember that no one is forced to play sports. We're not ants that are given our destined jobs at birth. You play contact sports, shit happens. I don't care if it's more risky, it's part of the game. Football was played for decades in harsh weather. The guys we consider legend now days made it through all that. It's like NBA players crying 82 games is too much even though everyone before them had to do it and did do it. Many players complain about artificial turf and say it hurts way more to play on than regular turf. Lately snowflakes have been saying NFL should be flag football because no helmet or pads can protect the players.. AGAIN no one forces guys to be athletes. It's all part of the game.

[@genius179]

I remember Shady McCoy saying he likes snow games because the ground is softer than when it’s just cold and feels like concrete

[@michaelhowell2326]

"Our addiction to bread and circuses..." Dam Son, that's some straight up David Copperfield stuff right there.

[@Ravenforce3]

I've been of this opinion for many years now.

[@lasurflife]

I think you sort of missed the what playing 10 times more games each year does to the logics around location. Smaller, more centrally-located baseball stadiums work better, whereas football stadiums still work better in the middle of a sea of parking lots adjacent to a freeway offramp.

[@maxis2k]

2019: "We're rich! Stadiums for everybody!" 2020: "Oh god...we shouldn't have build two billion dollar stadiums."

[@kdwaynec]

Cleveland used the same one for over 60 years while it seemed like every other city was building new ones every 20 years

[@randomtraveler9854]

@@kdwaynec And lost the Browns as a result

[@randomtraveler9854]

@@user-otzlixr I did read it. The Indians and Cavaliers were granted new facilities while the Browns were denied because of their lease. Cleveland's big mistake was isolating Modell by denying him a stadium but building a new ballpark and arena. You can't grant one team something and deny another and expect to keep a team, especially when a city like Baltimore is ready to build a stadium as soon as a team commits to coming.

[@robkarp9835]

The Reds and Bengals had their best seasons playing in the old Riverfront Stadium.

[@davidlafleche1142]

Riverfront was the most "vanilla" of the cookie-cutters, with absolutely no distinguishing architectural element.

[@JKillackey62183]

So many teams have some of their best years and moments tied in to dual use stadiums though... The Phillies 3 World Series trips and 1 win, Cincinatti Reds and "The Big Red Machine", The 70's Pittsburgh Pirates teams, The Steelers "Steel Curtain" era and 4 Super Bowl wins, 1980's St Louis Cardinals teams and "Whitey Ball" etc....All these teams played their home games in multi purpose stadiums To just write off dual use stadiums as "Concrete donuts" is dismissive and ignores a lot of great history and awesome moments for these teams and their fanbases imo...

[@cappyjones]

And now both teams suck in really nice stadia! 😁

[@richarddobson3138]

@@davidlafleche1142 I'd have to disagree with that somewhat because that look is exactly what the Reds wanted at the time.....Bob Howsam wanted the stadium to look super clean and modern..and it did...It did not look tacky like some of the others...The original Tall Dark Green outfield wall with the wide yellow stripe on top was completely symmetrical and no advertising was allowed by the Reds on that wall in the 70s.Part of that was also the "futuristic at the time" addition in the early years of metric distances being included under the Distance in feet..In my opinion The worst stadium was Atlanta Fulton County Stadium, followed by Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh .. I think Riverfront was better than both...From the outside the stadium was majestic as it gets, far more so than Great American Ball Park.. or Paul Brown Stadium . Yes the amenities of both are better on the inside, however they are not 1 billion dollars plus interest better...especially after they took out the outfield section of Riverfront to make room for Great American...I think they even went to real grass before they tore it down, and, if not. they could have...For 50 to 100 million they could have made the place very nice..which is a far better deal for the city being that the stadium was still relatively young. Riverfront had a winning and historical aura about it that neither Paul Brown or Great American have. The 70s Reds were arguably one of the greatest teams in baseball history and the 80s Bengals went to 2 Super Bowls. The teams that have occupied the new stadiums have for the most part been lousy from day 1. The outfield wall in the corners of Great American needs either to be raised higher, or moved back because it's one of the shortest and closest in the majors and because the Reds have never been known as a team loaded with pitchers that could keep the ball inside a normal park, let alone this one...Its going to be hard to keep any quality pitchers long term in such a park. If Wrigley and Fenway can be saved, then for sure Riverfront could have been saved..Its hard to believe but Paul Brown and Great American are within a decade now of being as old as Riverfront was when they tore it down...And what do they have now..A Destroyed aura of winning history and a Billion plus of borrowed debt... In retrospect, it was a bad deal in my view...It doesn't make sense to spend almost 30 times the amount they spent on Riverfront and then watch the total trips through the turnstiles decrease by 50%

[@richarddobson3138]

@@JKillackey62183 Couldn't agree more..All of these new stadium deals were outrageously overpriced and overly burdensome on the finances of the various cities for what they got in return...Spending just 1/10 of that money on the existing stadiums would have been a far more sound decision and their incredible history would have been preserved also... I dont care what anyone says, the old stadiums were a big part of the heyday of sports in general back then..Despite the massive deficit spending on these new stadiums, the interest in Football or Baseball today isn't even half of what it was in the old stadiums.

[@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un]

Cleveland having a mistake of a stadium like the Cleveland Stadium is very fitting for the mistake on the lake. Friendly reminder this is the same city that had a RIVER on fire and a complete disaster of an event called Balloonfest that polluted waterways and led to people drowning because Coast Guard couldn't find them due to all the balloons

[@daguard411]

I am a Cubs fan, and the old rivalry between the Cubs and the Cardinals had me visit the original Busch stadium twice. It was awesome! Easy to move from here to there, and it was of quality brick construction. Why is it no longer here? Because of the fact you didn't point out in the cost of the replacement fields. Somehow the greed of the major league sports met the greed of politicians and the taxpayers pay an enormous amount of the construction costs. To make the Bears happy, Daley permitted construction of sky boxes that got Soldier Field removed from the National Historic Landmark registry. Oh, and the dual stadium in Hawaii is no longer dual use as they didn't use the proper "I" beams in construction, and it rusted into its football configuration.

[@joshuahumes5548]

"why you bang my Dad?"!!!!!! LMAO

[@raiderking69]

Dude, I lost it when I saw that!

[@AJR-zg2py]

That short-haired girl is FINE. I wouldn't even be mad lol

[@cameronlafontaine5300]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@NEPats79]

I'm dying to know the source of that clip!

[@thema1998]

@@NEPats79 I'm pretty that was just hilaruous text placed on stock footage.

[@ReigningRavens]

I've never been a fan of dual use stadiums. However, I did one time see a Chicago Blackhawks vs Penguins game at Soldier Field. It was pretty cool.

[@adamdavis4417]

ReigningRavens I love the outdoor games .. I’ve never been to one, but my god they look good on TV.

[@caleb5944]

Setting up a 60x30 yard ice rink in a 100x50 yard football field doesn't exactly qualify as duel use stadium. A lot of NHL teams share a stadium with NBA teams though.

[@keith6706]

@@caleb5944 Hockey and basketball have advantages football and baseball don't. An NBA court fits inside an NHL ice surface and is oriented the same way, and so the fans' distance from the action isn't that different between the sports. And since the surfaces are completely different (and much smaller), there's no temptation to try and cheap out and reuse one for the other.

[@killerb255]

Winter Classic doesn't count. It's a hockey game that's always played in an outdoor stadium.

[@davidlafleche1142]

Soldier Field is ugly. They should have renovated the old place.

[@scottfarmer8758]

Now that the Raiders are gone the A's should remove Mt. Davis!

[@jon8342]

A's might leave Oakland

[@kyleblake1273]

@@jon8342 pffff you mean like they said they would every year for the past 20 years? And Mt. Davis should definitely go.

[@auxiliis8366]

@@jon8342 They're trying to stay in Oakland on the waterfront north of Jack London Square. Unfortunately it's almost impossible to build anything in the Bay Area. Even getting housing approved is a fucking nightmare

[@drawkiain]

I feel like the money they'd spend on removing Mt. Davis would be better to save for the building of a new venue entirely.

[@wk3820]

The good old days! It was kind of cool when NFL games had fields with baseball diamonds marked out. I imagine the sandy parts would be softer to land on after a tackle!

[@ericbickel5465]

It wasn’t Baltimore that started it. it was Kansas city with Royal stadium (Kaufman) and arrowhead.

[@ryanleaf288]

That was the 70s. Baltimore started the modern style of stadiums. Kansas City still has the old style of stadiums, they are just single use. Kaufman is a no frills park, Arrowhead is probably the same. I haven't been inside Arrowhead.

[@LudaChez]

The company that built Camden Yard is basically building most if not all baseball only stadiums. They are the best stadiums to experience overall (aside from the crazy old history places which you just feel when youre there). Like hate all you want on the Marlins but the park experience is amazing (if for now you take the actual team performance away) I'm sure it's like that for any new stadium. Cause the experience in Tampa is awful.

[@remmymafia3889]

In the sense of 'purpose' building, yes, KC was the first city to separate their baseball and football teams. Baltimore (Camden Yards) was obviously built just for baseball, but it also was the first of the 'baseball only' stadiums, that incorporated the 'throw back' look of the 1920's in their design. Royal Stadium is built for the period it was built, the 70's. And guess what? Of course there's murmurs of wanting a new stadium. Why? Corporate boxes, etc., and just the human trait of wanting 'something new'. Maybe a new stadium with of course all the advances made in the environmentally correct efficiency areas, would be as good an argument for a new stadium as corporate needs. (private boxes). Now, if they start talking about demolishing the baseball stadiums in Cleveland and Baltimore, then we have greed and spoiled fan base in those cities. Tweak them yes, remodel them yes, retrofit them yes, but demolish and build new?,....Not!

[@davidlafleche1142]

Actually, the Patriots were the first NFL team since the merger to build a football-only stadium: Schaefer Stadium (1971). And they got no taxpayer funding.

[@ins-strick5980]

When you realize he spelled stadums instead of stadiums😂

[@armadillolover99]

And BIACTH instead of BIATCH

[@jurgostuff]

He manscaped the i.

[@hyprel6085]

When you realized you spelt spelled instead of spelt

[@armadillolover99]

Hyprel When you realize: he was probably American and that’s the correct way to spell it in American English

[@armadillolover99]

Hyprel Spelt is a grain and unless he’s British or Australian, the proper spelling is “spelled”

[@paulcusentino4917]

Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh was cool.

[@Joe26003]

I had attended Pirate and Steeler games many times during the 70s. Loved that stadium!

[@richardcheng568]

I went there once only for the Pirates and its fine .

[@mrmoose6619]

The steel under the fans feet gave Three Rivers a great feel. Otherwise, it was a cookie cutter ash tray like the three others like it.

[@sonic23233]

I never went there

[@davidexel11]

"Bread & Circus". That flew over the head of 99% of those watching this vid! Nice bro!

[@k.olimitless4468]

They failed because of one easy reason..... They just wanted to get in a FPV vid Edit: had to fix my typing and thx FVP for the heart😃👋🏾

[@McAdvertisement]

Long live Fives stadium fetish

[@k.olimitless4468]

@@McAdvertisement my typing looks so bad😂 but i got a heart so i guess it was worth it But long live FVP stadium fettish

[@amannazeeri6429]

But you don’t have a heart

[@insertcolorfulmetaphor8520]

@@amannazeeri6429 once given, if you then edit said statement, the heart goes away...

[@k.olimitless4468]

@@insertcolorfulmetaphor8520 oh well i had it

[@NuncNuncNuncNunc]

"Disrespectful to both sports." The world has gone insane. All I got out of this is that women should buy an electric razor called manscape or something. Maybe its good for a smooth butt.

[@anglobostonian]

I'd love to see a compare/contrast video between dual purpose NFL/MLB stadia and dual purpose NHL/NBA arenas.

[@davegreenlaw5654]

They actually work better, mainly because there is MUCH less of a difference in size and shape - okay, maybe more of a difference in size. Also, switching over from hockey to basket ball is not as time consuming or labour intensive as MLB to NFL and visa-versa. Yes, there have been some arenas where humidity and other factors tended to produce 'soft' ice issues when the seasons overlapped. But from what I've heard over the years, FAR fewer problems with the arenas then with the stadiums.

[@darryljorden9177]

@@davegreenlaw5654 Except when the arena was built for basketball exclusively. Then you have the disaster that was the Barclay Center when you try to shoehorn in hockey.

[@luislimon427]

Damn they fail 😥 My dream was to put the Dolphins and Marlins in the same stadium so they share the misery

[@themedianman9712]

For folks interjecting "what about KC" regarding his Baltimore discussion, the segment was called "Trend Setting". Being 25 years prior to the others who did it puts you ahead of the curve (KC), but not setting a trend (BAL). In fact, he goes out of his way to say that Baltimore really did nothing special, and that circumstance mostly fueled their outcome.

[@ZeeZedZee]

>acts like the orioles created the single use trend >Doesn't mention Kauffman & Arrowhead And into the trash it goes

[@bagofgroceries]

They were both built in the 60s.

[@Kelpflakes]

Both were built in the 60’s

[@Goode2ya]

And both still stand

[@tigerburn81]

@@Goode2ya And both teams probably wouldn't turn down a new stadium. Or another city that would build them one.

[@SandBoxJohn]

Kansas City did it (1972, 73 ) long before Baltimore began the trend (1992).

[@jimbo-fk4dq]

I remember seeing the Reds switch from Crosley Field to Riverfront stadium in May of 1970, which made me wonder, was it awkward to switch stadiums mid-season? Like you're getting used to one set of dimensions for your home, then have to play in new ones. Either way, another fun video.

[@0fficialdregs]

1. rent prices and dealing with an ego driven stadium owner. 2. teams want their own space. 3. easier to schedule according to that team specific league. 4. ownership of a stadium 5. Having the right amount of seats instead of dealing with too many extra seats

[@charlesrocks]

“Once again this shitpile has been standing for 60 plus years.” Argument won.

[@EllRiver]

Marlins Park has a private VIP area where there's just a pool filled with models in full make up ontop of floaties... WHHYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

[@neneshubby]

Watching this makes me realize that I’m part of a dying breed. A fan that actually has always gone to the game for, well, THE GAME! Frankly, I’ve never really given much of a sheeet about the venue and never really thought about it until these owners started telling me how important it was.

[@bfure1]

I mean, the game is the most important part, but to say that a well designed stadium has no influence I can't agree with. The difference between the atmosphere at a stadium specially designed for Football where the crowd is close to the field on every side makes the noise that much better. Multi use stadiums have the issue of sounding dull in comparison due to how far away most of the crowd is.

[@neneshubby]

bfure1 Don’t misunderstand my post. I’m not saying I don’t prefer a nice venue. Heck, I just saw the Alabama v Duke game at Mercedes Benz stadium in Atlanta and was totally blown away by the place. My point is that it’s not a deal breaker for me like it is to some. More and more fans seem to need all these bells and whistles to enjoy the game experience and that’s fine, that’s their business, I’m just not one of them. When I’m at a big game rooting on my team the last thing on my mind is how nice the place is but as I said, that’s just me. If others feel different that’s their business

[@neneshubby]

Joeylawn36111 Again. I get all that. I’m just saying for me it’s not a factor. All things being equal sure I’d prefer a beautiful, modern venue. I’m just saying it will have no effect on my attendance. I speak only for myself. If you feel different, that’s fine.

[@supersasukemaniac]

There's a reason why the surface at Gillette Stadium was changed from Grass to FieldTurf, and it has a lot to do with the wear and tear from the Soccer and football games played on the surface.

[@chrisconley8583]

That’s partially incorrect, in 1989 in the final preseason game the Pats lost Garin Veris, Andre Tippett and Ronnie Lippett to season ending injuries that all involved the turf being basically concrete. The Sullivans had gone into financial ruins because they put the stadium up for collateral as part in investing in the riddled with problems and unsuccessful money wise , Jackson’s “Victory Tour”. Causing what was a glorified high school field to become an absolute dump. Enter Kiam and his quick exit(thankfully), followed by place holder James Orthwien Busch (who wasn’t going to sink a dime into the place. It wasn’t till Bob Kraft who owned the racetrack (which is the current location of Gillette) bought the place for almost nothing that any repairs started to happen.

[@Starfoxpwns]

With soccer gaining in popularity in America I feel like and makes the most sense to have those two sports in duel use. The Atlanta falcons and Atlanta United playing a purpose-built soccer / football dual stadium and it works great with next to no downsides.

[@chrisconley8583]

Jacob Prue Benson having been to both types of games there, that place is tremendously underrated.

[@ademirsegura6307]

Jacob Prue Benson Arthur Blank was successful

[@moronmonkey1]

I loved dual stadiums. I always thought it was cool seeing the infield while watching football. I always wanted to play on one

[@davidlafleche1142]

Football players hated it. It's hard to run on a muddy infield. Baseball players didn't like playing on a grass field torn up by football.

[@JayTemple]

I liked hearing the baseball announcer say, "[The outfielder] catches it on the 20-yard line!"

[@dr666demento]

8:40 Actually, what is now called Hard Rock Stadium (site of the Super Bowl in 2020) was also built with private funds. Joe Robbie had the money to buy the land and build it (and his name originally was on it) it too was dual-use, it could be converted to baseball (obviously it was designed for football) then Miami built a baseball stadium for the Marlins.

[@shipofthesun]

I'm seeing a lot of Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium. Great example of the field condition thing. After every football season, motocross came through and tore up the field in February, and they had a month to get ready for baseball. The Braves weren't great during this era. The Georgia Dome opened for the 1990-91 football season, and motocross went indoors. The Braves went from worst to the world series in '91, and having the field in shape contributed quite a bit to that.

[@golfboy55]

6:59 Kaufmann and Arrowhead Stadiums have been next to each other since 1973.

[@bobbym.2130]

@ 6:11, "Wait, the Orioles did something right????" That's a low-blow. I still love my boys. Go O's!!

[@rsears78]

Gus Mason memorial stadium will always have a special place in my heart.

[@bobbym.2130]

@@rsears78: Yep, same here. I'm a die-hard O's fan....

[@Kelpflakes]

I love the orioles especially the mascots I love poe, and the Oriole bird!

[@alphabasic1759]

Wait. So you’re calling nearly 50 years a “failure”. How many stadiums are even 50 years old?

[@gregster61]

My thought exactly.

[@timfortune9]

Soldier Field (1924) and Lambeau Field (1957). Next oldest is Arrowhead, opened 1972. Except for those, New Era (1973), the Superdome (1975), and Hard Rock Stadium (1987), the rest were all built after 1995.

[@19Twholt]

@@35mm21 I agree, I was waiting for a little bit about dual use stadiums that were beloved and ripped from the hearts of fans unwillingly. Camden Yards is great and all, but nobody wanted to be rid of Memorial. Not to mention calling what the colts did "abandoning" the stadium, considering the city sued for ownership of the team to prevent them from leaving, and the prick owner moved them out in the middle of the night to avoid losing a court battle.

[@hotredboy84]

@@timfortune9 soldier field don't count, it's been rebuilt

[@avantjeef]

@@timfortune9 soldier Field is completed in 2003, they razed the old stadium and built a new stafium inside

[@ianfeuerhake1859]

Tropicana Field was built several years before the Rays came into existence, and before the expansion teams were introduced in 1993 and 1998, some teams threatened to move to FL in order to get new stadiums built.

[@Harrja]

I mean who wants to play football when 20-30 yards of the field is a baseball diamond

[@manifesteddestiny.]

Louisville just gave 50 million dollars to a minor league soccer stadium when most of the city doesn't even know when minor league soccer season takes place.

[@aarnavgakhar9795]

Chris Stewart my town Katy Texas spent 77 million on a hs football stadium..... HIGH SCHOOL!

[@AxlBrickman]

...what is minor league soccer? sorry, soccer is kinda unpopular in the US

[@manifesteddestiny.]

@@AxlBrickman exactly. US major league is basically minor league soccer. US minor league is basically highschool

[@kevin__brucewilliams]

@@manifesteddestiny. to be fair, Louisville is rumored to be moved up to the MLS within a couple of years, still stupid tho

[@LCSteeler16]

Second, and we all know how bad Oakland’s stadium was, thank god it will now only be a baseball stadium

[@ratlov9983]

It's sad to see everything moving away from Oakland

[@michaellyga4726]

The A’s are probably getting a new stadium in 2023 so RIP the coliseum for the foreseeable future

[@theoneandonlyrustyshaklefo6256]

Rafael Rato What’s that say about Chokeland.

[@zachharrelson9971]

Candlestick had problems but Damn I miss it

[@mustafaafzal4749]

Drams O'Scotch Y’all just hate on it because you’re jealous? What?

[@MegaRayland]

The Metrodome in Minneapolis didn’t “fail”. It didn’t even need to be replaced. Some gov officials merely thought the city/state could spend twice as much building two separate stadiums while family members could buy cheap -and then sell for a good profit- the properties around it.

[@fiesta061000]

maybe..I saw a Twins game there..U.S. Bank Stadium is more modern and has nicer suites..I miss seeing Big Ten and Minnesota Golden Gopher football games at the HHH Metrodome on TV..💺🏈🚜📺🤣

[@skunkbucket9408]

Denver's original Mile High Stadium had an ingenious triple-deck, 9 million pound stadium section that could be moved in or out 145' to accommodate both sports. It was renowned for getting fans right up close to their Broncos, but it wasn't actually all that bad for baseball either. The Rockies played their first two seasons there (before moving to purpose-built Coors Field) and set a single season MLB home attendance record of over 4.4 million that stands to this day.

[@Wrhentschel]

Carrier Dome is multi-use in the most unconventional way.

[@helpinghal]

Football, Basketball, Indoor Track., Even the World Box Lacrosse Championships. The often-shown blooper of the male gymnast running balls-first into the vaulting table is also from the Carrier Dome. Go Orange!

[@rockvilleraven]

Weird that a stadium named after a climate company has no a/c.

[@helpinghal]

I guess they figure the blowers used to hold up the roof keep things cool enough.

[@Wrhentschel]

@@helpinghal They don't. It's fine in the winter months, but if it's hot out for a mid-September football game then it's really warm inside. Syracuse is renovating the roof though, so A/C will be included.

[@blessedchild2862]

True, they're smart ppl.

[@elliottkoriath4038]

Interesting events and quirks that multi-purpose stadiums had: RFK Stadium had unstable bleacher seating so fans could jump in rhythm and cause the whole area to bounce Shea Stadium had a wooden outfield wall, causing multiple player injuries until 1988 Shea was also built near LaGuardia Airport which caused multiple game interruptions for noisy takeoffs and landings Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium never had full-time groundkeepers and relied on municipal street maintenance crew until 1989 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum had a sewage backup in 2013 that leaked into the clubhouse level of the stadium The Astrodome groundkeepers dressed as astronauts and kept the AstroTurf clean with vacuum cleaners between innings Riverfront Stadium was built on the old 2nd Street tenements, the birthplace and boyhood home of Roy Rogers Busch Memorial Stadium had one of the hottest playing surfaces in the MLB with temperatures well above local official readings Three Rivers Stadium initially used "Gamesaver vacuum vehicles" to dry the surface, but was then replaced by an underground drainage system Veterans Stadium had many gaps and seams on their playing surface, leading to the nickname "Field of Seams" (it was essentially playing on concrete) The Kingdome's ceiling collapsed in 1994 after pressure washing the roof caused tiles to fall onto the field The Metrodome's right field wall was known as the Baggie because of its plasticity Angel Stadium was originally a baseball-only stadium, enclosed itself to have the Rams play there, then demolished the outfield seats to make it baseball-only again Candlestick Park was known to have bad wind conditions even before construction started, but then Giants owner Horace Stoneham didn't want to build the stadium on a fill 100 yards northeast with better conditions because it would've been less stable during an earthquake (how ironic) Mile High Stadium almost had no flaws with its structure (good job Denver) Cleveland Stadium was home to Red Right 88, The Drive, Indians during the 70s and 80s, and Art Modell moving the Browns to Baltimore Memorial Stadium had the ultimate fuck you in 1984 We do not talk about Jack Murphy Stadium because fuck Dean Spanos

[@marka.graffakasnakebitenat3736]

The Astrodome has been declared a historical landmark. It will never be torn down. However, the round ramps to get into the Dome were imploded by order of Harris County. (Go figure) and Harris County auctioned off all of the Astrodome seats to the highest bidders. Now, if Harris County was smart, they could turn the Dome into a brand new Houston Texans practice facility similar to what The Dallas Cowboys have in Frisco. The Pokes use the facility during the week but during football season let The Frisco HS teams use it as their home field on Friday/Saturday. If Houston would do this, The tax payer would get his money back on this deal easy.

[@InFAMOUSPS4_19]

"why you bang my dad?" random comment of the day

[@jimbosc]

The first city with 2 stadiums in the same location was Kansas City - Arrowhead and Kaufman were built at the same time in essentially a giant shared parking lot. It was supposed to have a giant rolling roof that could move between stadiums but it was determine to be unfeasible from an engineering/cost prospective. That is why the Arizona Cardinals stadium actually moves the field outside to grow real grass. Cheaper to move the field than the entire building.

[@jimbosc]

Apparently KC is looking at building a downtown baseball stadium...I guess with that many games a more central location makes some sense

[@oubrioko]

@@jimbosc I guess the new owner would self-finance it because I doubt Jackson County taxpayers would approve it.

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Nice video. For the time when most of these multi use stadiums were built , they had served the purpose they needed to well. I had been to the King Dome more then I could remember now for a lot of events. The "WAVE" was very encompassing when done. Go Seahawks , Mariners and other teams.

[@joberfeld113]

Technically they still make these kind of stadiums. They just use them for sports that have a playing surface with similar dimensions.

[@TheForeverRanger]

Yep. Arrowhead hosted both the Chiefs and Wizards until the Hunt family sold the Wizards in 2006.

[@vegasailor1309]

CenturyLink Field has both Seahawks and Sounders

[@mattford6848]

Jared Oberfeld Yeah but not for NFL and MLB games now it's petty much NHL and NBA and NCAA games that used this set up now.

[@Jugglerexe]

Kansas City avoided this fate when Royals and Arrowhead Stadiums were built right by each other.

[@jacobsartin7095]

Centurylink has soccer and football, that is a functioning stadium that shares resources

[@hectorsoy]

Because both fields are rectangular and roughly the same size. Not that bizarro basebowl layout!

Soccer and football are both rectangular.

[@EMichaelBall]

Very similar rectangular field design between soccer and football.

[@brianmatyas4114]

At one time, the old Tiger Stadium was multipurpose, housing both the Tigers and the Lions. Nowadays, Detroit has gone the way of Baltimore and Kansas City, putting the Tigers in Comerica Park and the Lions in a separate stadium next door at Ford Field.

[@BoomerG21]

I remember watching padres games and charger games at Qualcomm growing up. Shared stadiums are total trash. Qualcomm is a terrible venue and it was emphasized when Petco was built.

[@francescoavila598]

Your full of shit.i attended many Padres and charger's games at then San Diego stadium. Sight lines made it a mediocre baseball venue I'll agree..but those same sight lines made it one of the best places to watch football anywhere in the U.S.

[@BoomerG21]

Francesco Avila dude Qualcomm smells like shit. The place was dilapidated and flooded bad if it rained hard. If you think Qualcomm is anything less than shit, you’ve never been to a nice stadium.

[@callumbush2]

Tottenham Hotspur new stadium in London is a multi purpose stadium it's got a retractable pitch for NFL games! It cost £1 billion!

[@rumanda36]

Rogers Centre in Toronto still has professional football (CFL, Tor Argonauts) and MLB (Blue Jays). The only reason this may be relevant is the size of the CFL field being noticeably larger than a NFL pitch. That surface has also played host to the occasional Buffalo Bills games in the past as well.

[@FivePointsVids]

Russ Warren argos no longer play in rogers :(

[@mksaelens]

Most of them were actually quite successful by just about every metric, EXCEPT that transforming from baseball to football wasn't exactly seamless. Moving between basketball and hockey is still quite common and can be accomplished in just two or three hours I spent a good part of my early sports writing career covering a LOT of events at the very first one, RFK Stadium in Washington, and in several others down the road. For several years, I worked for the AP, and when one covers sports for a wire service, whatever comes through town is part of the beat, so there were many occasions when I would be stuck at a place like the old Capital Centre (which was essentially as close to the middle of nowhere as one could be in a major metro area) between a Georgetown basketball game on a Saturday afternoon, a Capitals hockey game that same night - and often the following afternoon - and then a Bullets basketball game that night. After filing a story, there would be little else to do but go sit in the stands and watch the changeover process, but I digress NONE of them was a failure in terms of their stated intent, which was to provide LOW-COST venues for fans to watch their favorite sports in relative comfort. They were NEVER intended to be the "palaces" that they have become today All but a handful stadiums and arenas are mostly PUBLICLY owned, meaning that you and me - the taxpayer - pays to build, operate, maintain AND - when needed - repair or even rebuild them. It's literally a handful: you can count them on the fingers of both hands and still have several fingers left over ALL that most teams - the tenant - pay for is rent, and many of them line up like pigs at a trough to get their cuts of parking, concessions and even to develop property around these facilities (which they also DON'T own) Multipurpose facilities were the only way that cash-strapped communities could afford to host professional sports franchises, before someone rolls out the old argument that stadiums and arenas are good for their local economies, forget it Numerous studies show that economic development does NOT follow construction of stadiums and arenas, and that the ONLY positive impact comes from irregular seasonal employment that neither pays living wages nor increases the tax base enough to be worth the overall MUNICIPAL investment, and that hosting a professional sports franchise is largely a VANITY enterprise and not a financially viable one I've included a link to a fairly recent one here: news.stanford.edu/2015/07/30/stadium-economics-noll-073015/

[@OspreyFlyer]

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[@RCJH2022]

7:00 What do you mean proving it? KC has had Baseball and Football right next to each other since 1968!!!!

[@MarloSoBalJr]

Not to take anything away from KC but building them in the downtown area; literally a 5 minute walk to Inner Harbor, is what he meant. Never been to KC but I like the historic significance of both Kauffman and Arrowhead; even Angels Stadium

[@brettdurham8049]

@@MarloSoBalJr This video is about why duel stadiums failed. It has Nothing to do with their location. The presenter of this video didn't do his homework.

[@oubrioko]

​@@MarloSoBalJr At 6:00 of the video he mentioned that HOK (now Populous) designed Camden Yards. Populous' world headquarters are located in... Kansas City. So, the video creator does indeed slight K.C.

[@rpvitiello]

Funny you didn’t mention MetLife stadium is a duel team stadium given the topic of multi purpose. Rather than use the same facility for different sports in the same stadium, they simply have more than one team for the same sport in the same stadium!

[@grod713]

Kansas City had multiple stadiums for 20 years before Camden Yards opened but the trend started with CY so at least you got it right

[@philliphill6398]

5:15 “why you bang my dad”

[@jefflarish3806]

Who's got the sauce for that one? Asking for a friend

[@user-73a]

hirr hirr i need it for "scientific purposes" ha ha ha

[@aarond23]

@@jefflarish3806 I'm on this will report back

[@aarond23]

@@jefflarish3806 its stock video www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-1021985851?irgwc=1&Affiliate&Amarelo%20s.r.o.&

[@dannysanchez6355]

I asked my mom the same thing and she replied she was dumb at the time and stupid when she gave birth to me

[@indyracingnut]

Great, I show this video to my 8 year old daughter about these stadiums and she gets to see a over 1 minute sponsor ad with cuss words about the joys of "Manscaping". Dude, no wonder you dont have more subscribers.

[@nickythebull82]

Ok the manscape crap has to stop a girl isn’t going to know if you groom unless you are taking it out in public and jiggling it in their face and then getting charged with Indecent exposure and sexual assault

[@mikepeterson764]

Not only did we have a duel use stadium, we replaced it with a second duel use stadium.

[@TransCanadaPhil]

Cricket and Aussie Rules Football coexist nicely at big oval stadiums like the MCG, Gabba, etc.

[@WinByTKo]

This is because Aussie Rules will use the entire ground no matter what the size. Isn't the Gabba shorter goal-to-goal than the MCG, or was that Metricon? I recall it being mentioned as a reason why center clearances were so important this season (2020).

[@TransCanadaPhil]

@@WinByTKo yeah they all vary. The Gabba is shorter end-to-end. The MCG is more circular, GMHBA Stadium (Geelong) is a more narrow ground (side to side), etc.

[@armorybrunotjr.3204]

Once upon a time, dual-purpose stadiums were the rage. Memorial Stadium in Baltimore was an excellent dual-purpose stadium. It was the home of baseball's Orioles and the NFL's Colts and Ravens. What I liked about it is the configuration stayed the same. I liked it when a football game was played, the gridiron covered the dirt baseball infield. This is a personal case of a dual-purpose stadium did not always suck.

[@royboy1984]

The 4 hours it would take for you to drive into Waverly with no mass train line near by nor access to an Interstate highway forcing you to navigate neighborhood streets and the general lack of parking would make old Memorial a dump in my book.

[@awakenthewoke1091]

I remember playing at the old Riverfront in a 5th grade pee wee tournament . That AstroTurf was like concrete and the turf burns hurt like hell.

[@coordinator3039]

Now Yankees Stadium is the only duel use stadium. And it’s for MLS and MLB.

[@crimson90]

2:56 round pegs of a certain diameter can fit into square holes of the same length. We know what you mean, though 😜

[@gerardbrendel7594]

Let’s get one thing right and I’m from Baltimore and the first city to have separate stadium was Kansas City built back in the late 60s early 70s so before you do another thing about Stadiums or ball parks get the facts JACK

[@jacoblangguth5125]

Riverfront/cinergy stadium was there for 3 decades. That’s not exactly a failure

[@janboblarry]

Astro Dome set many many records too

[@scottbrady7499]

magnificent video. well researched, and nicely presented. i grew up watching the kingdome being put up, and saw the first mariners, then seahawks games played there. it is where they park attending the new ones now. nice

[@FivePointsVids]

Scott Brady thank you scott, I appreciate it :)

[@johnharris6655]

Arco Arena in Sacramento was basically a barn, outside the City in Natomas, it was cold, cramped and one of the best basketball venues in the NBA. Other teams hated playing in Sacramento, the crowd noise was deafening. Then the City of Sacramento spent 500 million dollars for a new arena that many loyal Kings fans could not afford, you can barely afford the parking down there. And the Kings are still terrible.

[@Yli.ndjjjjjj]

Even though your name is 5 points, im giving this vid 10 points

[@MrEricSir]

Meanwhile, the Roman Colosseum hosted all kinds of crazy sporting events and is (well, mostly) still standing.

[@BruzoDragonius]

Wait a minute. The New Yankie stadium is still classed as a duel use stadium as that not only it’s a baseball venue home to the New York Yankies but also a soccer stadium that is home to New York City in the MLS. So they are still around. Same as some NFL stadiums are also host home games of some MLS teams like I bet the home stadium of Seattle Seahawks is also the home stadium of the Seattle Sounders.

[@robertk2007]

Toronto still plays in a multi purpose stadium

[@toblrwn]

robertk2007 yeah but they combine the soccer and football teams instead

[@johnnyboy830]

Not anymore ever since the dirt infield was installed the kicked out the Argos so it only the Jays using the venue besides monster trucks and concerts.

[@7beachbum]

The Argos don't play in the Rogers Centre anymore.

[@riffraff5862]

robertk2007 is Correct. Skydome, or whatever they call it now, can still be configured for football. Anyone who is stuck in the 100 level corners can tell you. Expect a sore neck as the seats point to centre field instead of home plate.

[@jaysonlatterell5155]

I'm just here for the Manscaped ads

[@AQUAPHREESH193]

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[@Southern-author]

In the Kingdome, the seats were bolted down and all faced the 50 yard line. In a baseball game, you had to sit sideways in your seat to watch the game.

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

One reason the Jets eventually left Shea Stadium was that they had to wait for the Mets season to be over before they could play a home game. Once the Amazins got good in 1969, the Jets in that year and 1973 found themselves playing on the road well into October.

[@shtuttghart9030]

The Metrodome (1982-2014) in Minneapolis only failed once, in 2010 the roof partially collapsed due to snow and ice build up. Except for that mishap, the 'Dome was a great stadium that hosted two Twins world series crownings, many epic Vikings wins (and collapses, ie '98 NFC Championship), Gopher football, Monster Jam, countless concerts (although the acoustics were not good at all), my highschool football championship crowning in 2009, and also hosted the 1991 Superbowl. Nothing like enjoying a Dome Dog and then sharing the urinal trough and standing shoulder to shoulder to unload all the Grain Belt Premium! I would say the Metrodome was a success.

[@marlon94124]

Three Rivers and Riverfront Stadiums in Pittsburgh and Cincinnati respectively are the two I hated the most because artificial turf was only available, but I am glad they blew down now that the teams are playing on natural grass.

[@russs7574]

I regularly attend Pirates games at PNC Park (I suppose that make me a masochist), and I've been to games at Great American Ballpark, and they are both tremendous venues to watch baseball. I can't speak for Riverfront, never having been there for baseball (Steelers-Bengals, yes...Pirates-Reds, no), but Three Rivers totally sucked for baseball.

[@marlon94124]

@@russs7574 Natural grass looks much better than artificial turf. I can't wait for the Tampa Bay Rays to implode Tropicana Field and have an open outdoor ballpark with natural grass.

[@grandmasterpanda8006]

the duel use Oakland stadium still exists but the raiders are leaving

[@johnwayne6482]

bow arrow that doesn’t make it good

[@CODMarioWarfare]

OCo has a million issues unrelated to the dual-usage as well and I imagine the A's will move one of these days

[@davidlafleche1142]

@@CODMarioWarfare The A's actually want to buy the Coliseum and the land, and build a new baseball stadium; but Oakland doesn't like the idea, so they're going to lose the A's, too.

[@MrPAULONEAL]

Are they going back to L.A.?

[@grandmasterpanda8006]

@@MrPAULONEAL no they are moving to nevada as the Las Vegas raiders

[@toddball10]

Camden Yards has a pretty big issue... the seats down the foul poles don't face home plate, they face off into the out field. You have to look over your shoulder to see home plate.

[@ARIZJOE]

This has some good points, and some specious reasoning. Yes, construction costs have not been mitigated. However if a "donut stadium" designed in 1969 were built today, it would cost a lot less than an architectural marvel like the Vikings stadium or the Falcons, Eagles, Cardinals, etc. A very significant thing that changed was not only construction methods, but financial instruments as well. Whether the stadium is privately or publicly financed, underwriting and generating the construction money with bonds and other equities is much more sophisticated. Also, the concept of catering to corporate clients and luxury was not as significant as it is today. Yes, Three Rivers had suites like the Cowboys. But catering to corporate clients and not hoi polloi has much more emphasis now, and more money. Teams demanded luxury revenue, so they built new stadiums. Cleveland Municipal was built as Great Depression work. Finance has improved. Way back when, America had real industry, and sports were an afterthought. Now in many cities Sports are the main industry. I can remember when Wrigley Field was a multipurpose stadium. Very big deal. Times change

[@Yo-pl3bm]

Lmao I was so confused when your sponsor ad came, at least you made good humor out of it.

[@Zylork0122]

Just repeating an episode of 99% Invisible but without the great Roman Mars voice.

[@rh1s182]

What about Ottawa’s TD place it’s a tri use stadium housing three independent sports including football and hockey.

[@ZeldaSnake300]

Unfortunately this is still the case for the New York Yankees (MLB) and New York City Football Club (MLS), which are both using Yankee Stadium as their home venue. As far as I know, that’s the only dual use sports stadium similarly to this video. Dual used stadiums for NFL and MLS on the other hand SHOULDN’T be a problem. But in the case of MLB and MLS, they literally have corresponding seasons which poses a big problem for the Yankees and NYCFC.

[@highflying1551]

5:15 Why u bang my dad?

[@christophersalinas2722]

"why you bang my dad" that came out of no where

[@cursed0529]

When there's a nba/nhl rivarly in the same stadium they should put half the floor of each team