Why Did G2 Jump?

[@TeetsTV]

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[@tymixtymix7838]

why tinyurl?

[@shperax]

Why does Riot allow you to kill yourself by jumping off the map only on 1 map when potential is there on other maps, they just have invisible walls.

[@menacingbread7909]

Guys, be honest with yourself. You'd be jumping off the edge to deny ult points too if you were competing in a massive event like the freaking championship of the year.

[@blazesona12]

Yup... I'd be doing that too... i mean more rounds with less ult points for the oponite and more ramp on loss bonus is nice

[@Breakingfasst88]

I wouldn't do it being down 1-0 in maps and being down 4. It's a play, but wasn't the right one here. They were already losing so much, they HAD to try something desperate and try to win the round, not give the other team one more round to win. G2 only got 1 round after this. Then lost 2-0 in the lower bracket.

[@matthewk.5118]

Another yt did the math and, on average, jumping off is the worse play.

[@CabbageShooter]

@@Breakingfasst88They statistically had a 20% chance of winning that round, in a pro game the chances are even lower. If they tried and lost, they now have a 10% chance of winning the following round as opposed to losing the first round on purpose and having a 50% chance of winning the following round. Which, if they did, would drastically increase their chances of winning the next rounds simply off of momentum. Valorant is a lot of educated guesses and gambling; they statistically made the right play, but lost the gamble. It happens.

[@VoidBL]

It was never gonna work when your opponent is now 3 rounds away from winning meanwhile you aren't even close. ​@@CabbageShooter

[@G2VALORANT]

to get to the other round

[@TeetsTV]

Ohh that makes sense now

[@mabrurraim3419]

no way

[@Kofhiliphus]

Not sugarcoating it, this is wise.

[@itsmyfavgameseries]

peak comedy

[@mythixfps9069]

thats what i was thinking, they have full buy you gotta save, jus go to next round n full buy, that was my original idea when they jumped off

[@thereddeads]

its like the intentional molley feeding in one CS pro match when the kill bonus is like 300 compared to 600 of the UMP which is dominating in the meta at the time

[@cloke3076]

There is a rule in cs which forbids teams to jump down intentionally on Vertigo. Same will be applied here. Maybe it’s wrong to fine G2 since it’s the first case of such situation happening in Valorant, but it’s completely fine in my opinion to call out this situation as an example what rules FORBID to do. (At least what rules WILL forbid in the future)

[@funkycrawler619]

@@cloke3076 But that logic makes no sense as jumping off here is no different than a team dying to spike. It makes Abyss's strategy much more different and as the video shows, its not a guaranteed broken idea as it can go either way. They shouldn't rule against it because it at all and if they do, then teams should not be allowed to die to the spike intentionally.

[@tony-te7gd]

​@@cloke3076if jumping off the map is an issue, why did they make a map where you can jump off? It's just dumb that it even comes to this. Like teets said, if riot really wants to tackle this issue they should remove the incentive for jumping off in the first place.

[@cnaizhen]

​@@tony-te7gdDon't forget that in the process of trying to reduce the incentives for falling off abyss map, you are introducing a change that will affect the balance of the *whole* game. Setting a rule for the pro players to not commit suicide is a perfectly great idea. You do not have balancing issues, you keep the game interesting.

[@t3152]

@@cnaizhenthat reduces strategy by restricting things unnecessarily and literally makes the game less interesting? Its not like suiciding is some inherently broken strategy, its actually bad in most situations

[@nick_name0208]

If anybody uses the "jumping off is not fun to watch" then i gues we ban line ups and spam from main, bacause who wants to watch somebody wining from spawn, or with a spray off where nobody sees anybody?

[@VoidBL]

They didn't win.

[@flytelp]

@@VoidBL thanks for adding nothing to the comment lmfao

[@nick_name0208]

@@VoidBL so we ban loosing, cause that aint fun either?

[@botanicear64511]

lmaoo

[@nick_name0208]

@@botanicear64511 wait wait wait, since when does GOOGLE "translate" lmaoo into english by making it lmao? lol

[@iReptile]

"disrespecting the SPORT"🤣 bro it really aint that serious

[@vietcongat5percent]

Tbf it is that serious, they are competing in a big tournament. Tho i disagree with that comment, that is not disrespecting, the map is designed that way so they allowed to do that, nothing is wrong

[@daotpeke]

I swear some of these valorant youtubers are over dramatic😂

[@ScPolaroids]

It's eSports. People literally dedicate their lives to it just as much as conventional sports. They make a living off of it and sell out arenas. How is it not the same?

[@MrDigit-xl6pq]

​@@daotpeke bro he's on a team. No shit he cares about the match

[@Youjvwhw]

this aint a ranked game tf peoples jobs are playing this game possibly jobs on the line if riot decided its disrespectfull

[@Bostaff]

This guy’s editing is top notch. Please don’t stop uploading lol

[@RYD3RYT]

turning this into a 12 minute video for a 10 second explanation is crazy work

[@BOOMDIGGER]

Because people are stupid

[@jonbomb0074]

ngl lad, thats the point of an explanation video no? explain what happened and other examples

[@drpygmr2416]

@@jonbomb0074 No the point was to take a 10 second explanation and make money off of it

[@bbgkaveh]

@@jonbomb0074 if u reach 10min u can monetize the video, thats the intention

[@dipalibaul9120]

@@bbgkaveh 8 min

[@pjens]

I don't think that jumping of the ledge is an issue, becouse it's only avaible on Abyss, one of 7 maps currently in rotation, it won't be always there and this strat is just something that makes this map unique, it will make teams reconsider their buys after winning pistol, and also, I would rather watch defenders throw 1 round to make the match more equal than attackers just destroying them every round.

[@zironcat5265]

1:16 MOVE MAN DAMN

[@Ozuk1m4]

Gyatt

[@cjthaboss]

Necrophilia😭

[@Shlrine]

The core issue is the snowballing. It is the same thing CS:GO had and it destroyed the competitive and brought back meta. People won't pick different comps, won't do different thing, because the cost carry on for too many rounds.

[@brokenspacebar9628]

I've only seen vct for around a week (played valo for three weeks) but how would the pro scene change if there were agent bans like in League?

[@ShadowsOfTheSky]

@@brokenspacebar9628 It would be pretty controversial, and it would also fundamentally change how some maps are played. Imagine a map (You don’t have to, it’s Ascent) where Omen is unequivocally the best agent for smokes and your team builds its entire gameplan with Omen’s smokes in mind. Then the enemy bans Omen and uses Viper in a wacky comp that they’ve cooked up. Suddenly your entire gameplay is ruined because nobody else can do things the same way as Omen does. While it would really shake up the meta and make matches more diverse, teams would target their bans based on their opponents usual comp. And you could argue “Well then they’ll just create a backup strategy in case Omen gets banned,” but remember, there’s 5 agents, and the comp is specifically for those 5 agents whose abilities work in synergy with each other. Maybe you plan for it and have an idea to use Viper, but they don’t ban Omen, but instead they ban Sova… Suddenly you don’t have a plan, your other options for initiators just don’t work well with the rest of your comp that was designed around having a Sova. And there’s 5 agents on a team. Basically, while yes, it could work, I think that it would really frustrate the players and teams, and the community wouldn’t be very happy about it. Maybe once there’s more agents, like around 40 or 50, the same number where R6 Siege starting introducing operator bans, but in Valorant it just wouldn’t work yet, the roster is too small.

[@xen9221]

@@brokenspacebar9628that might start being necessary with there being so many agents tbh, if not necessary then it might make it more fun to actually see some new things.

[@craig2196]

So the game is just. Dumb

[@abbymkw12]

​@@craig2196Yes.

[@samwithasceptile801]

I feel like the snowball issue is the core, and it's the one that needs to be addressed. Abyss just opened this Pandora's box, but if pros look deep enough, they will find that a free Astra suck and a free Raze nade can accomplish the same thing, penalty or no penalty. Penalizing jumping off will only increase workarounds, and blocking workarounds will only increase tension between the community and the devs. Idk how else to handle the snowball though, hopefully the devs figure something out.

[@emre_ez]

Saying this is disrespectful to the sport is like saying saving is disrespectful to the sport. Defenders running away and not trying to defuse

[@funkycrawler619]

I liked this video, and I will say I actually like how Abyss (arguably) now is one of the more strategic maps to play with the environmental death mechanic which makes it fun to watch (compared to a map like Ascent).

[@PaulHoleybatch]

I find it ironic how you can't fall off a map situated literally high in the sky, but you can yeet yourself off on a map that's in a grotto.

[@shaansingh6048]

@@PaulHoleybatchRiot wasn’t ready to make a Vertigo map back then. but I guess since the map is floating you’re just being blocked by the same force keeping Ascent in the sky.

[@superidol238]

@@PaulHoleybatch itr makes sense. The energy keeping the island up keeps u up

[@shivvers.]

4:50 is wild 😭

[@Amajin364]

amazing taste in photography👌

[@ianwoods3088]

I think somehting that might be able to at least help this issue is if you cant get any more ult points during the round after you use it. so if sova ults at the start and gets one he cant start the next round with any ult points.

[@djy914plays7]

i mean its the most rational and efficient way so a win is a win

[@im_______an_______error5171]

I think the alt point for planting is better for casual players so they don't not get their ult once or twice in a half and can use it more often I think

[@guyturtle]

Not that actually. Usually Initiators are the ones who carry the spike so they can spend their utility for duelists' entry and go to commit offense objective. The key word is OBJECTIVE, this ult orb is not to support those who can't gain ult out of lack of skill, but supports those who commit for their team. Planting is crucial for offense victory and that's why it is rewarded

[@Mystery-pd6jc]

11:10 Well it should be an in-game incentive so the person who plants could get extra credits. That would still work in the same way but not inflate the ult economy and be less of a snowball - not eliminate, but lessen the snowball. Snowballs are comeback mechanics too, of course, so it shouldn't be totally eliminated from the game because it'd negatively impact a down team's chances of a comeback by A LOT. Also defusing should just do nothing - you get money for a round win anyway

[@Zomplexx]

Fun fact: this comment will not be the top comment Edit: I wanted to see if comments like this are boted or ppl actually like comments like this, and as you can see, for some reason, ppl actually like comments like this. If you liked this comment, please tell me why

[@steamsteam7792]

false

[@Fa_ga_u]

I beg to differ

[@Emerald29]

Should be. Like begging comments are just cringe

[@aftab_alam48]

but it is

[@knowledge4448]

@@Emerald29yeah fr

[@wukriz]

always waitin for your uploads

[@skizzrz]

glad u made an in depth video talking about this .. funny ass title as well 😭😭

[@JustinsRealmMC]

The chasms jumpable and fallable is an intended riot mechanic, otherwise they’d code it such that only enemy displacement abilities (i.e. breach ult) can send them over the edge.

[@uththtytyththrdh]

Its a strategy at the end of the day, and as teets said in the video its either give the team some busted ass ults during a pivotal round by taking a 70-30% something chance against better weapons or utility or throw a round and at least have somewhat of a level playing field. Pushing out fines for plays or things like this seems not only silly but I feel would set a bad precedent. Nobody complains when people go for Zeus kills in CS or back knifes in Valorant, they consider that fun and a valid strategy even if there were many rounds thrown because someone had an enemy in their site who turned around while the "thrower" had his knife out and capitalized on a kill.

[@ItsSageCertified]

that sponsor segment was really funny i love this channel

[@bugg5805]

I would normally skip the advertisment part of peoples videos but teets actually makes them worth watching

[@babusseus1105]

Epic video! Platoon made a similar video with a more statistical approach but both styles are really well executed.

[@TeetsTV]

I'll check it out!

[@frank83153]

So that Jett wasn’t trolling my bronze game

[@infamousiron4327]

Lorthar's tweet can be easily misinterpreted, but if read completely he doesn't just say that G2 should be fined. Lorthar himself isn't sure on whether or not jumping was against the rules, and said that in the case that it's not allowed, THEN G2 should be fined.

[@funkycrawler619]

How would it be against the rules lol by that logic any team who chooses to die to the spike should be fined

[@Dinmc123]

You have your points and I know that lots of people might also agree with the way Lorthar think but I just don't think it's a disrespect to anyone. It's just like we don't actually know the reason why they do that and then start to call them frauds and then mention about finding. Not a really smart decision to my point of view

[@Mystery-pd6jc]

it doesn't even make sense for them to be fined if they did it not knowing if it was allowed or not. Punishing people for something that isn't prohibited until after they've done it makes no fucking sense

[@apricot8301]

Why would they release a map you could jump off if they didn't expect people to jump off?

[@ajjjrsssss]

I personally don't agree with the strat but calling it "disrespectful to the sport" and "trolling" is just braindead

[@KiraAsakura14]

I would agree with the "Disrespecting the sport" statement if OP didn't actually disrespect the game themselves by talking whilst not knowing enough the purpose behind suicide rounds. No inquisitive action whatsoever just marked it disrespectful, despite them playing the next rounds truthfully.

[@xen9221]

He very clearly knew the purpose as he also stated it immediately after

[@sacredrider]

I was going to call this pulling guard from bjj, but now that I think about it, it isn't the same.

[@real_pewtato]

W sponsor segment, sleeping when noone hits my site or waiting for the entry does seem tempting😂

[@parthbansal2775]

This probably won't become a meta. This was tried in early csgo tournaments where teams on eco would die to molly to avoid giving up the extra smg kill money. Overtime they realised force buying, playing off a hero rifle or just doing to plain eco to take a rifle off the enemy hands was far more valuable.

[@ortheix]

Hey Teets! Just asking if you can do an analysis video on how fanatic didn’t lose a single game on haven whenever they run their iso comp. It’d be very Interesting to understand how a duelist like iso can bring so much value

[@Confound.]

im watching old teets vids over and over again waiting for him to upload again

[@whoisolives]

"Disrespectful to the sport" is INSANE

[@Titax69]

Lothar should've w8ed for ur video before tweeting😭

[@xen9221]

You’d think a pro league analyst would have the sense to realize the purpose behind it.

[@Lont-tnoL]

Im ngl,when I first clicked on the vid I thought it was a waste of time seeing it was a 12 minutes recap of a 5 second play,but now that I watched I’m glad it helped me understand a lot better👍👍

[@Mtdripado]

To be honest this video has sooo many good info ty S2

[@Wortelemes]

Its Map design and that's the strat, u can get fast money for the next round, didn't give they ult points to them

[@EldyeLOL]

THANK YOU MY KING FOR THE UPLOAD 😭🙏

[@d4nni_]

1:48 ok but what if things get cheeky 😜

[@jonathanbanning9558]

You can do this on split pre round b site, there’s enough time to do it before the round starts.

[@Sg190th]

0:09 Funny and true. Censorship is becoming more restricted than a vice grip.

[@samrude001]

Our sova shoots our own teammates, and yoru drifts into enemy sight, we are Iron 1

[@vjulskov]

One of my friends has unlocked Vyse, and I've played with Vyse, like, thrice now. Her ult is gamechanging, yes, but it needs to be used at a good tiime. On the first full buy is just... Not optimal. I'd rather wait at least two rounds more, so the enemy is likely to play with an op, have Vyse use her ult, and then bombrush them. On that round, you could go with Stingers only and win, and then you would have at least 3 vandals and an op from the enemy, if everyone survives. If you don't, you can still have a free op for one of your teammates.

[@guyturtle]

It might be a good tactic in comp, but at pro-scene why wouldn't you use a chance to flip a table and gain enemies' weapons to make them moneyless and gain huge eco-boost? Pro-scene is about snowballing and this strat is so good for it

[@Renard-ks6hj]

hey teets i hope you're doing fine, dont push yourself too much

[@Pauli-dg2yv]

0:33 what sport? Its a video game..

[@salbin9854]

This is esports and is just as entertaining as normal sports

[@badgamerbros3208]

a sport doesn’t need to necessarily be active it just needs to be team based and have teams competing against each other for entertainment

[@ignas49]

@@badgamerbros3208 not even necessarily teams, for example tennis

[@yooomarie]

Ur dumb can’t lie

[@metalucas8022]

@@salbin9854discord mod is triggered lmao, ain’t a sport

[@the_Monkey_Wolf]

It's a sound strategy that doesn't break the rules of the game. If Riot doesn't want the game played this way, then either adjust ult and credit eco, or put up walls on round two lol

[@SniffersCreepers]

so Riot's laziness is the problem, not these teams.

[@getawaygetrekt1372]

11:23 NOT THE CAT

[@hornetgamingtv]

Well explained. Man EDG matches are insane

[@arsarma1808]

There are metas in Destiny 2 where jumping was used to farm loot or prevent supers from making orbs off of you. Really, devs should anticipate it at this point.

[@SushiOP]

teets videos always fire

[@velky_reeds]

people are also forgetting that there's also a risk for G2 to do this since they basically gave Leviathan a free round win, which means G2 now has to work twice as hard to win more rounds to try to catch up

[@Entity_03]

Platoon actually did a analyst on the problem would recommend

[@zeewy2x]

i honestly don't know why there was so much drama around this. i just see it as ult point denial. kinda the same thing as people in CS dying to mollies instead of dying to SMGs to give the enemy less money.

[@blprainbow]

It would be only for esports again. I think it is just fine for normal valorant that you get an ult orb for planting. That makes the game actually better

[@TocTicTacMS]

If they stop giving ult points on plants and defuses and deaths, too many players will complain cause some will never get an ult the whole game

[@jidituzz]

Hey Teets, great breakdown, the moment i saw it live i wanted to know if it was worth it that much as they made it seem like. Will you be doing a breakdown on champs finals? Also i've noticed the whole tournament Ascent has had 100% banrate, it didn't even get played once on playoffs, do you have a video on this? lol

[@MarvXO]

I’ve always said instead of riot increase ult point just get rid of ult orbs and incentivized plants and playing for kills

[@Tophat-Turtle]

Hell no

[@mf_footages101]

This year's champs was way too intersting and funnier than the past ones 😂

[@xsethy7728]

Literally 70% of the times this round was played in the history of major Valorant tournaments there was a greater economic impact simply by playing the round, and in around 40% it was better for those who were in a thrifty simply due to the damage to the other team's economy, orbs They are valuable but they are not more impactful than weapons in a shooter game.

[@kohai-kun9261]

It's a legit strat, with clear advantages and clear downsides. Anyone whining about it isn't a competitor, and thus has an opinion worth discarding. The snowballing issue is inherent to these CS-like tac-shooters. It *is* dumb and anti-competitive, but as long as the in-game economy works the way it does, it will always be present to a large extent.

[@coast444]

this works a lot better on counter strike and they probably got the idea from when pros used to kill themselves in enemy molotov’s for $200 instead of the $600 the enemy’s would get for killing them with the UMP back in the day.

[@Saul30119]

Teets is honest, unlike TMV who didn't keep the promise to oil up

[@kaoticwolf9256]

The only weird thing I don’t get is why you get an ult point for dying in general. I don’t agree with getting one for dying, the other ones I understand

[@SacredStarGaze]

4:55 i see that viper pic

[@Byflugan.]

Easy fix, falling off the map gives an ult orb in spawn at the start of the next round.

[@A.Roblox.Player]

so we just not gonna talk about that viper photo at 4:55

[@Jawawawawaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

they are getting rid of some of the power creep in LoL so hopefully their balance team can influence the val team to pull back on the powercreep abit

[@kizu5234]

What’s that viper picture on ur desk..

[@TeetsTV]

dw about it

[@tim..indeed]

Simply give the kill ult point to a random enemy. Or to eliminate randomness give it to the enemy who last killed them.

[@ahzoid]

12 minute video on something that can be explained in a shorts

[@zipittt]

why did you do this. i just fucking peed my pants dude

[@FGC_JohnDo]

What happens if they make the self destruct give you less credits? wouldn’t that help the problem

[@Tabrisoffreewill]

Yayy you posted

[@xar5059]

Why’s the lothar guy so mad LMFAOOO

[@ntinoskass4635]

the thing with the ult is crazy ia was playing cypher on bindd bought full util a guy dropped me a ghost i aced and defused and got my ult first round like its not fair

[@bobozee]

I think you need to have ult orbs for planting. Valorant should give those less aim centric players a shot at using their ults too.

[@josiahmarsh9453]

The game is meant to be played to maximize your chance of winning at that level. Riot knew they released a dumb map, and did it so they would get a few cool clips out of it. They got a meta they didn't think they would instead. I get annoyed at people who pretend it's super easy to farm ult orbs and win the game. That Gekko ult required 2 pistol kills vs bulldog/whatever else, and playing well for a few rounds. And then they got very little value out of it since it was a 2 for 2 trade. Riot way overvalues ults

[@wristy3163]

Nobody else see the viper pic?

[@sidneyghatisingh5720]

I think with the steaks that high, id do anything to increase my chances of winning

[@cn_cien]

They have to make the deal, since val doesn't need to make any necessary regulation. But make it random money award to the opposing team significantly.

[@nebulagod]

Nah

[@itmusicalskeleton]

Love your videos ❤

[@ironsmurf-v1m]

brilliant explanation!

[@skrtethan]

11:28 what did the cat do to deserve that?

[@KhachaturManucharyan]

8 lives remaining, no worries

[@vxpez588]

Just disable to get Ult points for the firts 3 rounds a half seems a good idea to me

[@amarbasyc]

I mean I do not think any team should be fined for taking advantage of bad map desing. The devs must have thought that people would be doing this.

[@reyyfv]

i saw another video that said jumping off is worse i think it was by platoon

[@blazesona12]

Honestly i don't blame em at all for doing that since they were quite under geared and not prepared for anything and dealing with those hazard ults r a pain and a half with bad guns so i kinda like what g2 did in a way.... just kinda wish they went a bit smarter about it and the community responce from some people like DRX lothanHS is just unprofessional and will paint a bad light on the valorant pro scene in general Also i agreee the snowball problem NEEDS to be addressed but i really don't see any feasible way for them to fix it and punishing people for jumping off the edge is a stupid idea too cause it'll just feed the snowball if teams don't wanna deal with the punishment

[@turbife2175]

Bro said “ruining the sport”💀

[@someguy32]

It's simply just a strategy for them and they thought it's the best thing to do. By refusing LEV extra 1000 credits and 5 ult points. But for me it shows the unwillingness they're already at the Champs. So fight for the round thrifty can happen however unlikely. But then again it's what they think best at that particular moment.

[@jc008titan]

why are you able to pick more than one orb a round? that doesn't sound fair. pick one the other disappears and it's ok.

[@timondesue7730]

i dont think the snowbally nature of the game is a bad thing cuz it can go either way. If u limit the snowball factor, u would also lessen the odds of crazy comebacks. I just think, this makes the game more open and fun to watch

[@HONKAirsoft]

How are people saying viewers are being robbed lol if anything i feel funny moments like this make it more worth watching

[@constellation_kita]

I have only 1 wish that is all the people commenting "x seconds x views bro fell off" will never have kids

[@atinybruh]

Thats a good thing tho

[@tsnswimming7119]

As long as they jump with the mentality that they can win the game, it’s ok. If they really believe they can benefit from it to win then it’s not a problem

[@Eletrrik]

If it does NOT specifically say in the rule book that you can get fined for jumping off the map as a strategy and G2 gets fined then they should sue. You don’t get to decide after after something happens whether or not you fine someone. That’s a joke

[@CaterKill]

Damn, didnt realize abyss came out on my birthday