Why did I want THIS gun? Part 18 Smith and Wesson SD9VE 9mm budget “Flock”

[@tysonazure6168]

I own both a Glock and a SD40ve and I feel like there are a lot more reasons to like the SD over the Glock. The grip on my Glock isn’t as comfortable as the SD40, I prefer the 8lb trigger over the Glock because it feels more comfortable carrying. The S&W also eats every single cartridge I put in it, the Glock jammed up on the aluminum and Steel cased. Plus having a gun many people hate on just makes it 10x better to own😂

[@crankygunreviews]

The Glock grip angles do leave a lot to be desired. I like my SDVE models

[@DrewPeebauhls-mv5vz]

I love my SD40 , Has never let me down ever!! And yeah they hate on my baby but we don't care

[@katanapr3]

The original Sigma pistol were the SW40F, SW9F and the SW380. I bought an SW40F back in 1995 and still have it in my safe. This were the ones that made Glock sued S&W. Then few years later S&W redesign the pistol to comply with the law suit and giving it the SW40VE and SW9VE designations. The barrel was reduced to 4 inches from the original 4.5 inches and some cosmetic changes were made. Still this didn't satisfied Glock. I also still own a SW40VE. Some years later finally S&W settled with Glock out of court, S&W dropped the Sigma line altogether and came out with SD40VE and SD9VE series completely redesigned the sear mechanism and over all looks of the pistol. I also own a SD9VE. Now with all this being said let's get into the trigger. There is nothing wrong with the trigger! The Sigma series of pistols are double action only trigger pistols. The idea was to appeal to law enforcement agencies who were transitioning from revolver to semi automatic pistol in the early 90's. There concerns at that time was preventing unintentional discharges. This is why the Sigma series had a heavier trigger pull to compear to a revolver. Now owning all of this pistols I can tell you for a fact that most of the stories of a 14 to 20lbs trigger pull of the Sigma pistol are all lies. My SW40F have never been altered and the trigger pull is anywhere between 6.5 to 7.1 lbs and that is exactly the same on my SW40VE. Now on my SD9VE I bought it used with an Apex trigger and the trigger pull on it is 3.13 to 4.2lbs. All of them are reliable and go bang every time. That Sigma SW40F is now 27 years old and had fired anything I've fed it even aluminum case ammo. I now keep it as an antic and don't fire it any more. Same goes for the SW40VE I now keep it as part of my S&W polymer pistol history collection, I am only missing an SW99 to have a complete collection.

[@crankygunreviews]

Thanks for the info! I live in a stupid state, our triggers were 11+ pounds in our SD9VE, and I can attest to that. My shield and SD9VE WERE THE SAME - over 10lb each, but the SD felt worse because it had a longer pull than the shield. I put the apex spring kit in both, now the SD has about a 6lb trigger, still long pull but I like it, and the shied is about 5.5 with a slightly shorter pull.

[@mcb2757]

These are great guns

[@crankygunreviews]

I’m looking for one in a 40

[@freedomjoe7118]

Bought one last year, no complaints. Came straight out of the store with 2 16 round mags (capable of 16+1) loaded up with some Hornady Critical Defense FTX bullets; Live in Florida.... “a State that doesn’t suck” like you said - hahahahaha added a laser/light and grips. Great for home or car. Compact enough for IWB carry at times. Very functional, Love it.

[@crankygunreviews]

Yeah for the money, they really are a great gun

[@freedomjoe7118]

@@crankygunreviews Yes, indeed. Stay well.

[@crankygunreviews]

@@freedomjoe7118 you too

[@grahamohea2424]

The SW9VE was the first pistol I ever bought, back in 2001, and it is still going strong today. An Apex trigger in it is an absolute must and turns it from a kind of mediocre gun into something halfway decent... still not as good as a Glock, but more than serviceable. It used to be my everyday carry before I could afford a proper Glock and served me very well

[@crankygunreviews]

Yeah, the apex kit is a necessity in these. I though about putting a flat faced trigger in, but decided against it

[@MegaBait1616]

Apex trigger and a up-grade striker n firing pin..... 40 bucks total.

[@crankygunreviews]

@@MegaBait1616 I haven’t done the striker or firing pin. I should, I’ve had some hard primered foreign rounds that didn’t ignite in this but would in my shield.

[@MegaBait1616]

@@crankygunreviews , Except for the OEM striker n pin n of course the trigger these are good pistols in .9mm.... All S.S.slide, bbl. n mags. Even with Federal primers n constant cleaning out the striker channel needs that up-grade.... Only costs 20 bucks for that up-grade n very easy to do... Got 10rd. mags for commie NJ and 16rd. mags for NC....Btw, these pistols take M&P metal sights for another 25 bucks.... Be Well n K.A.G.

[@bigdatapimp]

Great gun. Feeds everything I've thrown at it, including critical duty 135gr+p. Its consistent and it shoots straight. Can't wait to get out of this crappy state so I can run 16+1. The grip could be better, but some stippling helps a ton. Worth every penny so far.

[@crankygunreviews]

Restrictive states are just that… Live within the rules, but on the edge :)

[@mdubb4855]

It’s a great state but way too left leaning. We need more Texans to balance things out.

[@martyneff4008]

My wife has this one. When I bought my model 64 we bought her the SD9 VE. I'm not a huge semiautomatic guy but I like this one. Like my wife said, this SD9 fits my hand better than the M&P 9mm does. I really like the SD series. I still prefer my 64, but these are a fantabulous value

[@crankygunreviews]

Great value!

[@gregmiller708]

Great gun I enjoy mine at the range regularly it does great

[@crankygunreviews]

I just shot my SW40VE today

[@georgen3425]

I used the SD9 VE as my Duty weapon, I qualified with it twice a year and it never let me down.

[@crankygunreviews]

Wow as a duty weapon? I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, they issued the Sigma which the SD was based on…

[@ryanconnole]

Had one for about 5 years. This was my first gun. Initially I would get failure to feeds but that was 100% my fault, my thumb would ride the slide lock. After correcting my grip I have not had an issue AT ALL. Few thousand rounds through it and I can't complain.

[@crankygunreviews]

It’s been great for me too except the failure to eject aluminum and bi- metal case

[@LilGuap]

Bought this Gun February 2nd, fell Inlove since, the Trigger not that bad, you not gonna really notice it that’s just me, put 100 rounds through it same day, no jam, runs through perfect, no regrets.

[@crankygunreviews]

If you shoot it next to a good trigger, it’s noticeable…

[@momotyson6428]

@@crankygunreviews in your opion is this a good gun for a beginner and a new shooter ?

[@momotyson6428]

@@crankygunreviews what is the best ammo for this ?

[@crankygunreviews]

@@momotyson6428 this is more of an intermediate gun- no manual safety, factory triggers are crap… if you want a good basic 9mm that is big enough and not too small, Taurus G3C is a good first gun- has a manual safety, 10 or 12 rounds, a little smaller so it’s easier to conceal. You could go with a Shield 9mm as well, or a Ruger LC9S. Don’t get me wrong I live this gun, but to me it’s more of an intermediate gun.

[@crankygunreviews]

@@momotyson6428 I can shoot anything but aluminum case and lacquered stew case out of mine. Round nose, Hollow-point, 115 grain, 124 grain, 147 grain, it eats about anything you put in it

[@WessStewart]

I can definitely say that I do not regret buying mine. Not at all. :)

[@crankygunreviews]

I’m pretty happy with mine

[@markcunningham6086]

Got one & just dont see why anyone would rag on it. Mine came with a Crimson red dot & in the FDE on black slide. Very attractive to me. Shoots well. Got a trigger kit to bring down the pull to 6 pounds instead of 8.5. The reviews, like yours, are all ok. Owners seem to like them. It is a bit heavey for daily carry. The 16 + 1 is comforting but heavey. Anyway.....thanks for your tips on ammo. I reload so I stay away from steel or bi-metel anything.

[@crankygunreviews]

Yeah I’ve been pretty happy about mine, I bought one in 40 cal as well. I trust it, very reliable, and a good shooter

[@mdubb4855]

@@crankygunreviewsfelt recoil?

[@jrdchamp]

this was my first gun i ever bought. i have not been disappointed.

[@crankygunreviews]

Not a bad first gun

[@rockymountboy]

I've had mine for several years. I did instlal the Apex trigger & spring. The only ammo that I've had trouble with was reloads from my local indoor gun range (that we are required to use).

[@crankygunreviews]

That stinks- but reloads can be finicky- resizing dies don’t always get to the base of the shell so sometimes they can be a little large. Also can be fire formed to another chamber and don’t alway fit in yours either.

[@JoseLopez-kx4tn]

I love my sd9ve, had little over 3 years. I shoot everything out of it. Steel, aluminum, brass with with no problems. I have California version, 10 round magazines. I got a MCK micro conversion kit for it. I love more now. It's awesome 👌

[@crankygunreviews]

I’ll have to check out the kit

[@taasch2505]

Does the CA version have the witness hole at the tip or the hideous flag?

[@crankygunreviews]

No idea

[@mdubb4855]

@@taasch2505I like the hideous chambered flag on the Shield. Can’t miss it, and if a bad guy is close enough to see it too, something clearly went a lot more wrong than having a hideous flag.

[@taasch2505]

@@mdubb4855 you should already know your gun has one in the chamber before it ever goes into your holster.

[@megatrends]

I have the .40 and EDC it often. We did an Eli shooting test today which is 40 yards, 10 rds in 15 seconds. I got 10 out of 10 hits measured out to 40 yrds with a range finder. Very underestimated pistol ... I would mind a 9mm like yours either. My favorite 9mm is a Canik however ... love those.

[@crankygunreviews]

I’ve never shot a Canik, but heard good things

[@MultiSweener]

Bought in '20. Zero flaws. Eats with no discrimination from my tests. Bet my life on it.

[@crankygunreviews]

They’re pretty good

[@MultiSweener]

@@crankygunreviews I upgraded the guide rod and spring but it was selective, not necessary.

[@crankygunreviews]

@@MultiSweener I just bought a spare factory one in case it fails

[@mdubb4855]

@@MultiSweener​​⁠if it was a compound spring (dual springs) how do you like it?

[@MultiSweener]

@@mdubb4855 still feel the same.

[@casperaudi7476]

Went to bass pro and they don’t have it but I was able to hold and feel and I love it so definitely will buy it Nice video Sir🙏

[@crankygunreviews]

It’s a good reliable budget gun, just make sure you test it with various ammos to make sure it runs on what you buy

[@mdubb4855]

I’d guess it’s pretty corrosion resistant thanks to both barrel and slide coming in stainless steel. Easy to see dirt too. That and $400 - and taking 16 rounds - are pretty compelling. I think it’s going to feel pressure from the dual magazine (short or tall with a spacer) micro nines for example the Masada Slim and FN Reflex. I’m also an NY1 trigger fan so the special set up on this trigger vs the Shield series is also a plus.

[@crankygunreviews]

It’s not the same target audience as the micro compact 9mm double stack pistols. This is an OWB model angle gun to me, I carry it sometimes, but it’s harder to conceal - it’s a good field gun, woods gun, hiking gun- especially if you get the 40S&W version the corrosion resistance is pretty good on this.

[@victormendez134]

It was my first gun and now is my gun that I use is great trigger I love it❤🎉

[@crankygunreviews]

👍

[@deneyhung317]

I love my sd9ve and my sd40ve , great shooters and are easy to care for , never had a jam in any yet

[@crankygunreviews]

Like I said in the video, only rounds mine hasn’t liked was lacquer coated steel case, and aluminum for some reason.

[@deneyhung317]

@@crankygunreviews I’ve shot steel case out of my sd9 and it worked fine, maybe it’s the gun ? Only time I had a malfunction was when I loaded the mag all the way to 16 and it jammed up other than that , these guns are a pretty good bang for the buck !!

[@crankygunreviews]

@@deneyhung317 yeah mine only didn’t like lacquered case steel. It shoots the gray Tulammo, the USA forged, and the wolf made by Barnaul with no issues. Only bimetal cased wolf and wolf with lacquer.

[@clayonallen9674]

I can say I don't regret buying mine 40 cal.. had it for about 8 years now and I know I've put over 5,000 rounds through it if not more one time I had a jam one time at a range love it will always recommend it right on target it is a little heavy on the heavy side but it works was my daily carrier for about 3 years and it's just a great gun overall for a cheap price

[@crankygunreviews]

I recently picked up the 40 cal as well, apex spring kit and it’s a great shooter as well. I know why people love 40 S&W

[@clayonallen9674]

@@crankygunreviews enjoy it man and be safe protect yourself we in the Free world

[@crankygunreviews]

@@clayonallen9674 thanks! You too

[@vinceruland9236]

I added ameriglo night sights, and an apex spring kit to mine. Absolutely love this gun.

[@crankygunreviews]

The apex kit is a great upgrade, I did that to mine as well.

[@chuckr5929]

I am on my second one of these that I received in a trade, shoots any ammo I feed it. The first one I owned I gifted to my brother for his Bday, this second one I think I am keeping. I usually shoot Blazer aluminum out of my handguns because it is cheap practice ammo.

[@crankygunreviews]

I’m hoping mine works better after I changed the extractor and spring, haven’t tried it again yet. I don’t think I have any aluminum ammo left- not as easy to find as brass right now

[@chuckr5929]

@@crankygunreviews Sadly out of 30 handguns this one is the one I shoot least accurate. Yeah seems like brass is readily available now and reasonable, the place I get the aluminum from has it for 1.50 less a box as why I use it. I use to use steel only, but it has dried up here.

[@crankygunreviews]

@@chuckr5929 yeah, Tulammo and wolf has dried up here too. I like Tulammo, it’s actually reliable, and plenty accurate.

[@chuckr5929]

@@crankygunreviews I agree love that and Wolf, I think Winchester USA Ready 9mm is steel cased, I used that in the past but its not as good. We do have a lot of Wolf 223 here for cheap, but I am in the process of shooting all of mine up as I replace it with brass.

[@crankygunreviews]

@@chuckr5929 yeah the USA Ready was dirty cases but ran good in my SD9VE and my Kel Tec Sub 2000 but it was dirty. I would buy that if that’s all there was

[@todddurst53]

I like my sd9ve with trigger spring kit and true glo sights it's a tack driver and trustworthy!

[@crankygunreviews]

I agree! I should upgrade my sights, but I don’t carry this- just a range toy/home protection for me

[@johnnywishbone932]

It’s a SWock 19! It’s a dang good gun and does everything well.

[@crankygunreviews]

Lol yeah SWock works too lol

[@theiceman1972]

I have one and love it.

[@crankygunreviews]

Reliable budget gun!

[@tacticalbt1023]

My buddy has one they work very reliable!

[@crankygunreviews]

Yeah I’m happy with mine

[@richki.24]

Mine ran flawlessly until I had a local gun smith attempt to install an Apex trigger and spring kit ... never worked properly after that so I decided to fix it myself ...and to date it probably has well over 3,000+ rounds and eats everything i put thru it ..

[@crankygunreviews]

They’re very simple to upgrade springs and trigger, but the trigger return spring can get stuck and cause issues. I really like these inexpensive pistols

[@richki.24]

@@crankygunreviews , I like the factory trigger so I left that on and installed the Apex springs ... runs great now ... operates just as well as my $500 Glock ...

[@crankygunreviews]

@@richki.24 yeah that’s all I did as well- apex springs, but left factory trigger. I don’t think the long trigger pull is and, but the weight was horrible

[@ju00]

Excellent gun

[@crankygunreviews]

Great gun for the money for sure

[@MrAvidOutdoorsman]

My buddy's has no issues with steel case his has an issue with hollow points, and that may be due to not polishing the feed ramp🤷🏻‍♂️

[@crankygunreviews]

Well every gun is different, you’re experience may vary.

[@marodriguezsr]

Academy has it on sale for $379.99 but I'm glad I saw your video because I was about to buy that gun. Reasons I am not buying it is that another reviewer said it didn't like hollow points, you mentioned a few different rounds that it doesn't like. I need my guns to shoot everything without excuses and that includes my cheapest gun which is the Hi-Point C-9. Thanks for the vid. SUBD

[@crankygunreviews]

Get a Taurus G3C

[@crankygunreviews]

For the record mine shoots hollowpoints and every brand of hollowpoint I’ve tried fine, just didn’t like aluminum cased ammo and one brand of “bimetal” (steel) cased ammo. I trust it with any brand of brass cased ammo

[@marodriguezsr]

@@crankygunreviews Thanks' for the feedback, I haven't bought another gun so I will keep it in the back burner for now. I have owned the first gen M & P Shield 9 along with a Safari Land Kydex holster for many, many years and I absolutely love it.

[@crankygunreviews]

@@marodriguezsr I have a 1st Gen shield with Apex duty/carry kit and I love it. I want a CSX but they’re not compliant in my state yet.

[@marodriguezsr]

@@crankygunreviews I've actually been thinking about getting the G3c since I already own the G2c. I have about 150 points accumulated at Cabela's so that gun would actually come out to about $110.00 brand new & out the door.

[@safecracker45]

I have the SW40 with a light for a night stand and have no fear of it being good enough

[@crankygunreviews]

If it goes bang every time then it’s good enough for a defensive weapon.

[@indicaonly2143]

I just bought one. 400$ hope its reliable as they say.

[@crankygunreviews]

Hope it was new for $400… I can find these used even today for $200-250. Mine is 100% reliable with everything except aluminum cases or bi-metal steel cased

[@DrBrite-g4r]

SD9VE is actually the 4th gen 1st Gen sigma had smooth side panels 2nd Gen had stipiling on the side panels 3rd gen is the SD9 4th gen Sd9VE

[@crankygunreviews]

Yeah, I have since found more info on these. Thanks for the clarity- I have on occasion seen the sigma and SD9 and wanted to buy one for sheer curiosity sake, but didn’t.

[@DrBrite-g4r]

@@crankygunreviews it's a decent pistol totally worth the $$

[@crankygunreviews]

@@DrBrite-g4r I agree

[@naughtystep9856]

Love those (not a) flock examples. 😂😂😂👍🏼

[@crankygunreviews]

Lol, trying to add some humor and fun into these videos :)

[@farmninja6653]

At 299, I couldn’t pass it it up back then. Swap out the sights and put in an apex trigger spring kit and you’re good to go.

[@crankygunreviews]

The apex kit was $20 and makes MASSIVE improvement. I accidentally bought two apex kits, been watching for an SD40VE for a while…

[@farmninja6653]

@@crankygunreviews The spring kit dropped mine from 9 lbs to around 6.5 or 7 lbs. My factory sights shot 4 inches low at 10 yards so I swapped them out for adjustable Hi Viz fiber optic sights. I’m happy with it now since it hits POA.

[@bruceesterline3170]

I have a SD9 and I like it better than the VE models and the Sigma well we know the story. I changed out the guide rod and spring and the extended slide release and a trigger upgrade by Apex and I have a gun I like I do have nicer pistols but my SD9 performs very well at the range. Plus they will eat just about any ammunition you throw at it.

[@crankygunreviews]

I think all of them are decent for the price, with very minor changes

[@TTime685]

The VEs have a better finish and lighter trigger

[@crankygunreviews]

@TTime685 yeah, I’m in Mass, ours have 10.5 or 11 lb triggers from the factory- $20 for an apex kit fixes that

[@sionemehi3622]

Just bought me a SDP9 LIGMA fucking awesome

[@K37-h1z]

Excellent gun. Love mine, eats erything.

[@crankygunreviews]

Yeah it’s not very picky. Mine just doesn’t like some bi-metal cases ammo and aluminum cases. Otherwise it eats everything

[@backwoodsolutions]

I’ve never had a problem with ammo with mine it shoots anything my aunts m&p shield hates Remington ammo

[@crankygunreviews]

My Shield is way less picky than this is. It literally eats any ammo I put in it

[@Annonymous0283745]

I had the older version and it sucked so bad that I won't bother with this line ever again. There's too many guns in this price range now that I wouldn't bother with the 3rd iteration of what was a dud to begin with.

[@crankygunreviews]

Yeah buying one of these versus a Taurus, or Ruger Security, or something like that really doesn’t make sense- I got this in like 2016 so none of the really cheap double stack mines were out then- I got a Beretta 92 around the same time, but was about 2x as much

[@OutnBacker]

Better looking than a Glock, works just as good. What's not to like?

[@crankygunreviews]

To me, nothing :)

[@Steve-og4ii]

Can you use +p ammo on this gun?

[@crankygunreviews]

The manual says you can use +P but not +P+ assets.contentstack.io/v3/assets/bltb61dcb3c40854cd9/blt21a728d2aaf074f8/658077b17d6d2e7383b8ac38/S&W_SD&SDVE_1&2_102023_3012649_FORMERLY_441320000.pdf

[@Steve-og4ii]

@@crankygunreviews thanks!

[@crankygunreviews]

I still don’t carry +P in mine. I just use either a silvertip, or Winchester hollowpoint, or Remington UMC hollowpoint.

[@vegaspress]

I heard it doesn't like hollow points is that true?

[@crankygunreviews]

I have run some hollowpoints through mine, but not all of them. I cannot speak to all brands- in general terms it will run some hollowpoints from my experience though.

[@vegaspress]

@@crankygunreviews and all the ones you ran went through everytime?

[@crankygunreviews]

@@vegaspress yes but if I recall I shot like 3 mags of Remington UMC 115 grain hollowpoints, and one mag of critical defense. Every gun is different- my experience may not be your experience.

[@kyleRS87]

Awesome gun. I’d take it over a Glock any day of the week. Eats everything, not one issue with it over the years.

[@crankygunreviews]

I have only had issues with some aluminum cases and no-meta cases

[@Thundarr995]

S&W didn't get sued over this gun. They got sued by Glock over the design of the predecessor to this gun, The Sigma. If you have a Sigma and a SD9VE side by side with the slides removed they are clearly not the same.

[@crankygunreviews]

Thanks for clarifying

[@anotherspambot1363]

I just call all of those S&W handguns Sigmas, They can be had for short money even in more screwed up states used. I was told they work for the most part, I have heard of a few issues but nothing someone watching this video wouldn't be able to fix themselves.

[@crankygunreviews]

I haven’t had any mechanical issues with mine. Just as stated in the video, I found one or two brands of ammo it didn’t love.

[@hughey4594]

Is this gun rated for +p ammunition

[@crankygunreviews]

I’m not sure, check S&W website

[@bigdatapimp]

The manual says yes, but it will cause faster wear. It is recommended to use standard loads, but you can run +p.

[@crankygunreviews]

@@bigdatapimp thanks for replying. I don’t have the manual :)

[@bigdatapimp]

@@crankygunreviews bought mine shiney new fresh out of the card board box so it came with it.

[@crankygunreviews]

@@bigdatapimp excellent

[@rbm6184]

My neighbor had a Smith Sigma (The SD9VE is still a Sigma as far as I am concerned. Just a different version.) that belonged to her father before he passed away. I got to hold the pistol and I have to say that has to be the worst trigger of any pistol I have held and Smith should be ashamed of themselves because Smith is known for good triggers on their revolvers at least. Actually a Hilary hole is a safety lock. If a pistol will shoot aluminum case it will shoot anything because aluminum expands more than brass and steel case less than brass. A Smith Sigma won't conceal well. Closer to a compact or full size pistol. The Taurus G2c/G3c or Smith Shield is a sub compact while a micro compact is SIG P365 size. An example of a compact pistol might be a SIG P226 or Taurus G3 or G3X or G3XL. Full size pistols are typically 1911 size with close to five inch barrels and longer grips. I don't know of any gun manufacturer with sterling warranty and perfect customer service except the really cheap made pistols like from the ring of fire pistols that the company knows will have problems with their pistol design. Any company is capable of good or bad customer service at any time just like any company is capable of designing a good pistol or a bad one at any time. Glad you got what you need for testing your ammo.

[@crankygunreviews]

Yeah it has a horrible factory trigger. A $20 apex kit fixes that. Yes I know the Hillary hole is the key lock on a revolver, it’s just fun to say any stupid “safety” feature made on Smiths in the 90’s is a Hillary hole lol, the Clintons had a lot of pull with S&W in the 90’s. I have the G3C as well, and I like certain things about both guns.

[@rbm6184]

@@crankygunreviews I know my G2c trigger is pretty bad but you can get used to it being consistent and that trigger is meant for close range defense so you don't need a match grade trigger. I don't expect great triggers from close range sub and micro compacts although my Bersa TPR9C has a sweet trigger for a sub compact. The TPR9C with the better trigger and a match grade barrel will hold better accuracy at longer distance even though its not needed for a close range sub compact. But for a compact or full size pistol with longer barrels that is meant to shoot longer distance it should have a better trigger for more accurate shooting farther out.

[@crankygunreviews]

@@rbm6184 I agree on the trigger discussion. I shoot revolvers a lot so I’m used to king heavy triggers

[@bucknakedbullfrog]

You just have to get used to the trigger I love my 2006 Sigma 9mm I trusted my life with it in the desert as a private contractor.Its all in knowing how to make them run smooth.

[@crankygunreviews]

@@bucknakedbullfrog you get used to any trigger with time

[@krlousg.4638]

I live in a state that doesn't suck.

[@crankygunreviews]

I’m happy for you. I choose to live here so I live with the crummy rules and vote against crummy politicians in every election

[@Zentinel_85]

It’s not Budget, it’s Value Edition..

[@crankygunreviews]

Actually Value Enhanced

[@704ab]

That is nowhere close to the worse S&W of the modern era. I have a Sigma .380 back in the safes! I gotta say though, I have never had it jam or misfire on FMJ.

[@crankygunreviews]

I know it’s not the worst, but people like to give them crap all the time. Mainly because they copied Glock and these aren’t very expensive. But they’re very reliable if you use the right ammo there in expensive and just like anything else they teach you how to shoot better if you take your time.

[@jameszywicki5814]

I refer to mine as my Glock a like😊

[@crankygunreviews]

Same deal :)

[@MYSTIC-xx1ju]

Poor mans Glock

[@crankygunreviews]

Thrifty man’s Glock 👍

[@kentex82]

This gun is garbage

[@crankygunreviews]

No it’s not. With good ammo it is 100% reliable and plenty accurate. It’s a knock of glock