Why Did Intel Even Make This? - Optane 800P SSD

[@feksaaargh9884]

...I just got an ad for an ad blocker.

[@SEApodEErman]

it's called youtube premium

[@slash7303]

Ironic eh lol

[@WyvernApalis]

Curb your adblock

[@truth2424]

lol

[@borrero-md1196]

i get ads for youtube on youtube like... 2 o 3 times a day. Not as ironic but man does it look as a desperate means to have u purchase youtube premium haha

[@Huntersinthesky]

Watching this in 2020 and seeing the old prices of those m.2 ssd’s is crazy. The 960 pro is something like 190 bucks now, not $607! What a difference two years make.

[@Theunihornable]

2 years later and now a very good NVME SSD 1TB is only 100 bucks

[@realSirDextrose]

@@Theunihornable months later it’s more like $50 to 60. I got a 2TB for $80

[@MigatteNoJack]

​@@Theunihornableyeah exactly. it's kinda crazy

[@justacollegestudent5147]

@@Theunihornableone year later a top of the line 2tb is $110. Like super top of the line.

[@justacollegestudent5147]

@@realSirDextroseI paid $110 for mine but it’s close to the best. Literally top 5 ssd you can get in all benchmarks. You can get really good ssd cheap now. I was looking at a 4tb 4.5gb by 3gb reads nvme WITH DRAM and only $160 for mass storage. Not the best brand but also an okay one at least.

[@Taylordtech]

This doesnt look like a consumer product...really it makes more sense for a database environment where reduced latency could help get more IOPS.

[@thedoc2994]

Taylord Tech Well, IOPS represents better real-world performance than sequential read/write.

[@xhighalert]

This is exactly it, and it's flying over his head. These SSDs are for Queue depth 1. And they're fucking AMAZING for things like ZFS intent log, where you really badly need assinine-fast, power-loss-protected storage, and only need maybe 2-5 gb of it.

[@jonahhillert3291]

Taylord Tech exactly what it is. This guy doesn’t understand lol

[@jcourtes]

Most enterprise class databases run in memory

[@CallanElliott]

@@xhighalert Thing is, he's going by what Intel is marketing *this* product towards. He fully acknowledges Optanes potential elsewhere.

[@ifUreadthisURalien]

Yay! NOW I can open my word files 1 second earlier!!!!

[@jesperbouw7994]

ifUreadthisURalien for Just 200 dollars 😂

[@navjotsingh2251]

For someone busy as me I would love to open word documents and other applications faster because those seconds add up all together and can save a lot of time!!!!!

[@DrunkTalk]

you only have to open word 562 times to make up for watching this video and then you start saving 1 second at a time, that almost as good as crypto ROI!

[@somehowoptional2501]

If - for whatever reason - your daily workload consists of opening +10 docs simultaneously every x minutes - yes, you can save up to x seconds... ...which apparently is _a lot of time_

[@gamerdweebentertainment1616]

This exactly what I understood, so... it's for people who do a lot of tasks on PC??? Can't think of a workplace where you would need that, maybe as a business PC.

[@Ekami67]

For me that's exactly what I was looking for! I'm doing machine learning on my 32gb of RAM machine but I run out of memory very often. Using the 58gb 800P as swap will be perfect!!

[@ethannewhouse7541]

Optane is an Intel/Micron cooperative that is intended for big server farms for much faster I/O's. It's a means to supplement the need for much more DRAM in a smaller space. Creating a consumer product out of it is just a simple way for them to take the existing 3DXPoint modules and make some more profit. The tech is still maturing, but I wouldn't be surprised if we still don't see noteworthy performance increases even in Gen 2.

[@FeTiProductions]

Just gonna buy 500gb ssd in summer and call it a day. I'll check that Intel stuff in 2023

[@guesswho2778]

lmao

[@Phoboskomboa]

I'd be interested in seeing a build with only 8 gigs of ram and a 118 GB pagefile on Optane.

[@ABaumstumpf]

When the optane DIMMs are out than that might work. but via PCIe? Well, you'd need a massive Raid0 and still have huge delays.

[@Phoboskomboa]

I've seen pagefile based systems tested with regular SSDs when they were new. They sorta worked. This has much lower latency. I'm just curious to see how it goes.

[@Phoboskomboa]

That too. I'm actually not sure what the minimum amount of ram you can get Windows to boot with is these days. I didn't want to low-ball it so much that it couldn't boot. Do they even make 2GB ram sticks anymore?

[@ABaumstumpf]

With some tweaking you can get Win10 64bit to run with 1 GB, but 2GB is the official minimum. with other versions you can get it to be far smaller even.

[@Phoboskomboa]

In that case, I'm all for it. Good call. Linus should do this build.

[@TitelSinistrel]

The optane SSD is as far as I remember(too lazy to google now) has far superior disk writes per day which makes it ideal for page/swap drives to augment RAM. Also that latency helps a lot with this. As a regular SSD it isn't very good because that's not what it's supposed to do. I think it's more of a server part than consumer part.

[@chrisedwards3866]

TitelSinistrel you are better than 99.9% of the comments here, and you got it exactly right. It works best as a midpoint between RAM and storage, and on servers there is a lot of demand for that midpoint.

[@DalaiLamaOnCrack]

Basically this. Level1tech guys did their piece on optane drives with a bit more focus on databases, those things being already optimized for file system interactions. In short, you wont get any perfomance for your games or adoobees, but will save up a small fortune in RAM prices on your databasd server.

[@bobsagget823]

Nice regurgitation of intel PR bullshit. If optane has such great write endurance why reviewers have their optane sticks die on them after a day of testing? An equally priced SSD gets you more capacity and more write endurance than optane ever will.

[@nicknevco215]

does not the page file with enough memory get to be really useless, only used for operating not program dependent data storage.

[@hehefunnysharkgoa9515]

"An equally priced SSD gets you more capacity and more write endurance than optane ever will." £329 Optane: 3640 TBW £310 Flash SSD: 1000 TBW Even a super-expensive 2tb flash SSD is going to get a peak of 2500TBW, whereas the 480gb Optane is ~6500TBW. Though I will agree on the capacity/price at the moment. Intel needs to drop those prices hard. Kind of difficult when the tech doesn't have much appeal and demand at the moment. "If optane has such great write endurance why reviewers have their optane sticks die on them after a day of testing?" That isn't write endurance, that's hardware failure. I don't know how you're confusing the two since they're dramatically different concepts. "The optane SSD is as far as I remember(too lazy to google now) has far superior disk writes per day which makes it ideal for page/swap drives to augment RAM." The write endurance isn't actually the main feature of Optane, it's more of a neat side-effect than anything.The main feature of Optane is the 6~8us (6000~8000ns) read latency and 15us write latency. This is compared to NAND SSD's read of ~150+us and write of ~800+us. For swap space alone this is immensely useful, but you could imagine the impact it could also have on VMs, caching, large buffers, etc etc.

[@SonIQBukucuIlberOrtayli]

Does it run Dyson?

[@CompproB237]

Nah, it doesn't suck enough. It's got the price right though.

[@davidkrocks]

good question. I will answer this question After this message from cablemod...

[@llothar68]

Can it keep a copy of Star Citizen ? No :-(

[@SJ-dm1ls]

Son IQ Bükücü İlber Ortaylı what's this joke about

[@claudiolluberes111]

SJ About how a lot of people hated the recent Dyson video.

[@ehseahla]

Will it run TunnelBear more efficiently?

[@hydrochloricacid2146]

TB was recently acquired by Macaffee, so nothing can run it now

[@koicflakesykh4658]

eh seah la good one

[@LasOrveloz]

SMGJohn Tunnelbear was bought from intel by McAfee like week or two ago. so I'd expect it to be a bloated adware/malware piece of crap by the end of month.

[@Zoranurai13]

LasOrveloz isn’t mcafee part of intel?

[@LasOrveloz]

joris yauw only partly, Intel has 49% while the rest of tthe 51% is between TPG group and Thoma Bravo LLC

[@draconicepic4124]

I could see the 800P being useful for temporary files. It could cache web pages or intermediate files if you're chaining applications.

[@PischkePerformance]

As you can see at 3:07 118GB is barely enough space to even run benchmarks.

[@issyfidds2314]

yeah your right

[@mz-pd5hw]

Windows is not the only OS, by the way, may be the product is not designed with Windows in mind, that's probably why is not black with skulls and gamer stamped everywhere in the box. Could be used for cache or non Windows boot drives. My whole OS with programs takes 18GB, with more care would be less.

[@ouwkyuha]

mz2281694 ofc it's not windows alone, they were benchmarking.

[@lucasrem]

Pischke Performance Linus and Pischke, it's not a storage device! Use the cloud for storage, local files, why? You are all 1995 people, first installing DOS, then Windows on top, that was 1995! Now we just boot now using some local crap for that only, I/O sys, command com?

[@runescapefan0001]

Lol that drive is FULL

[@Malta-fn9wf]

Thank you for re-enabling the option Linus. Will start writing subtitles as normally.

[@Codewow]

Some people are just nice and can type quickly.

[@Malta-fn9wf]

No. Volunteer work. Just to contribute to this channel as it helped me a lot, so why not help him back?

[@leexgx]

Some people are actually deaf and the google auto translate audio to text is not perfect, so not really a waste of time

[@dorupero]

Nice people do nice things

[@thesmashtvnetwork]

your selfish for sayng that as aperson that can not hear that well i benfit from it and those that add sub make me so happy

[@simonnielsen1525]

This drive is not suited for the vast amount of consumers.But extremely useful as an accelerator/cache in certain niche use-cases.

[@LeBeautiful]

I think this SSD can put my Dyson into RAID 0

[@johndoe1220]

LeBeautiful Nigga I see you everywhere

[@omkar4975]

Modafakrr I'm still using Pentium 3 Procesar for counter strike: condiction zero I don't have $hit money to buy a low end PC 😤 im pro Gamer

[@lucasrem]

LeBeautiful This SSD? What SSD? Gamer's.....Linus, remove this chat crap section please!!!

[@internettroll7497]

Yo lebaldy

[@JaySmith-cd1ln]

Take your filthy upvote :)

[@ViperoK]

0:46 Tunnel bear: oh so this is who you chose over me? Linus: you aren't the same anymore :(. Tunnel bear: oh i see how it is. Cable mode: Linus got tired of you, now leave. tunnel bear: well i am happier with mcafee now anyway.

[@nimoy007]

Godly MangoMC Do you feel better getting that little narrative off your chest?

[@youtuberobbedmeofmyname]

nice fan fic bro. my mcm would cry to this

[@mdd1963]

Perhaps it was just a 1 year contract w/ TunnelBear? :)

[@Slepepe]

tunnelbear LUL

[@KaozVirtus]

Mcafee is trash 😂

[@marcopolo8584]

I'm getting amped to argue why Optane needs to live on, instead of being discontinued. It's not market viable in its DIMM form, but as storage it's bananas, and from what I've seen from some Level1Tech videos, it's kind of scraping against some limitations of Windows itself, and even Linux when pushed hard enough in its modern P5800x incarnation. It really makes me wonder, had they marketed it better, and made products that would make more sense to the average prosumer, and had it got the traction it needed to get that far, would it have gotten lower level Windows support alongside big.little when Windows 11 updated. I've seen the productivity improvements that a spot of ramdisk nets you, and now I've got an Optane drive for PrimoCache on the way now too. It's kind of silly to me to hear techtubers shrug about high end storage and high capacity RAM when talking about productivity. Most of the time just showing benchmark drag races without telling viewers that half of productivity work is moving tons of files around, and not waiting around for renders. It's basically increasing the FPS of Windows Explorer.

[@SpecialEDy]

I have an Intel 600p NVMe as my boot drive, my Samsung 960 EVO is 3 times faster. I bought the 32GB Optane module as soon as it came out, turns out Intel SSDs are not supported by Optane. It literally says it in the fine print on their website. I'll never waste money on Intel storage again.

[@SpecialEDy]

Add to that, anytime the BIOS is flashed or reset, Optane deletes the partitions on all the drives since it is RAID, and they have to be recovered on a separate machine. It took 3 times of me formatting and reinstalling windows to figure out recovering the partitions because of Optane.

[@ABaumstumpf]

*" It literally says it in the fine print on their website. I'll never waste money on Intel storage again."* Well - really? You Fucked up. And those 2 SSDs don't really compete when the Intel SSD is nearly 100$ cheaper - of course it is slower. intel SSDs aren't the best price/performance, but here it is your fault and yours alone.

[@SpecialEDy]

ABaumstumpf the Intel 600p is more expensive than the Samsung 960 EVO...

[@twoUTF]

No

[@antraxbeta23]

waw you bought a intel optane module to speed up a ssd xD , GJ you failed @ tech

[@mach1one]

Samsung 960 Pro SSD is the king in the castle!

[@TheDragonFire123]

...For consumers.

[@robbeandredstone7344]

No, kings ston is.

[@Kabelman]

not even close optane is insanely fast in iops, espacially optane dc persistent memory. He did not test it for its purpose database speed

[@noeperard8843]

Large code compile times might be an interesting benchmark to do on a SSD.

[@TechMeNowTV]

Kitchen :D

[@exploding2904]

wtf xD

[@luminescentlion]

Nostalgia for the old studio

[@gasper5223]

They could bake some eggs on a gtx 480

[@confusedkemono]

fake bananas :D

[@Danirio96]

I'm the only one who's tired of the terrible acting of Dennis, Ed, etc ?

[@dlat80]

I guess Intel doesn't pay not as much as Dyson...

[@AnnaVahtera]

But it sucks more? ;)

[@bananobanana1870]

One negation too much?

[@presterjohn71]

The second negation was sponsored by Websters dictionary.

[@poliak9]

OMG transition so smooth you got me again

[@giff74]

Kind of meh, I just can't get excited about it.

[@marashah.ibrahim]

Is no one going to talk about the *hiss* in the audio?

[@marashah.ibrahim]

Mever expected something like that from someone as professional as Linus.

[@AggBaddie]

it was just released

[@Debaucus]

Major hiss in this one.

[@afc8981]

There's a snake in your machine.

[@hiro9001]

do you mean the white noise?

[@ajhieb]

By no means is this a typical use case, but I have several of the 118GB drives (mirrored) in my TrueNAS servers, to hold the dedup tables for my NVMe drives that store VMs and containers.

[@felixbillington6151]

He put that hard drive back so softly. It’s probably already been dropped countless times.

[@TrollGamerStudios]

cablemods: extra thicc cables

[@logan_kes]

Parker Rose thiccc*

[@adityakshirsagar5383]

Wrong it's T.H.I.C.C

[@rexevans100]

Parker Rose aku: EXTRA THICC

[@hyziu]

T H I C C

[@hardboiled7467]

WHERE IS MY TUNNELBEAR!?

[@rosoboy]

Getting bought by McAfee

[@gertoja1844]

Not coming back

[@bimardwi]

Go to chocotaco's video

[@jag0937eb]

exactly my thoughts WHERE IS IT???

[@JJAB91]

JAG 0937 EB TunnelBear was bought out by McAfee and Linus didn't like their change in ethical practices so thats why they don't have them as a sponsor anymore.

[@Johanneslol11]

Virtual machines... :) In large networks it is very common to have lots of people ask for small bits of data. These data switches so fastly that normal ssd's would not be able to process it. also it will kill there writing speeds. Also something like a router might use these speeds to keep a cache of the proxy making it easier to serve more data, what also changes a lot. :) The last one i can think off is for services as a drive that will cache system images for sending around the network, these files are often stored on large drives but if used with EXSI he might be able to transfer these files to this drive for easy access. >>> think this to itpeernetwork.intel.com/configuring-vmware-esxi-benchmarking-intel-optane-ssd/

[@JamesDoud]

It definitely seems that this drive was designed for low latency throughput, that should tell you right away that it is for networks. This would be good in a thin client set up where the data is served through the network. In large campus setups this would be great, and the price to speed ratio would be justified, as for Admin, time is money, and latency is the biggest killer of time. I do not think this is built for the consumer market, it does not make any sense for that market. It also is not good for heavy load apps like games and video processing, so that makes sense that it would be marketed to the server/thin client networks like shopping centers, universities, big call centers, government offices, that sort of thing.

[@Johanneslol11]

:) Yes though for tin clients the data throughput inside the network is the biggest bottleneck. If i look at my job place, using this makes more sense with EXSI live migration for example. Where you move one virtual machine from one server location to the other without downtime. This will take serious impact on the disk, even it does not go offline. Also the things like the database are not running on these virtual machines but are separate. For consumers this makes no sense like you said, you would not notest a difference between 1 or two seconds less. Edit: check this website to, it clearly shows it market > www.tweaktown.com/articles/8096/intels-optane-debut-dc-p4800x-3d-xpoint-ssd/index.html

[@TheAguydude]

I'm skeptical about this being useful for VMs. The VM host doesn't need much disk, so it can mostly sit around in ram. The guest hard drives are too large for this approach to be cost effective. Maybe if your system is based heavily around micro-services and docker, but even then I'd be a bit skeptical. The kinds of people who run systems like that probably want a ton of RAM, at which point having this drive doesn't matter. I can almost see it for routers, but I routers like cost-cutting too much for this to be viable any time soon.

[@2drealms196]

Swap drives too. SSDs have write limitations making them not ideal to house one's swap files.

[@stefanl5183]

"Swap drives too. SSDs have write limitations making them not ideal to house one's swap files." Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

[@KnifeChampion]

Finally "on fleek" is gonna die out :D Im so glad thx Linus

[@NebRetalsJr]

Knife Ivan It never lived. Never heard of it.

[@Matt-ir1ky]

Pfft. Benny Slater never heard of your slang? Dudn't even exist, son.

[@TANMAN9095]

I am twenty two.

[@gabrieldavid7328]

C R 13.

[@MsHojat]

Increased storage space increases write durability as well though, so if a drive had 4x the storage space for the same cost, the other would need to have 4x the durability just to break even.

[@vampov]

Intel must have hired the genius from Microsoft that thought the Windows 8 GUI was a good idea.

[@lextr3110]

i'm sure Microsoft kept the idiot and gave him a promotion.. hahaha

[@eriksvensson2098]

vampov I for one enjoyed win 8. Compared to 10 it feels miles better

[@chrisedwards3866]

Actually, there is a huge source of demand for Optane. It's just not in the consumer market, and Intel has been rather slow to release these larger capacities. And yeah the Windows 8 GUI was a nightmare that Microsoft should have abandoned. At minimum they should have realized that it only really works with touchscreens.

[@taiiat0]

+Chris Edwards i mean, i think they did. they created a Phone/Console Operating System UI, then decided everybody would want it too because reasons.

[@numb3r663]

i have windows 8 on a touch screen....it sucks....beta tested windows 8 and told them it was going to bomb.

[@az09letters92]

The problem is probably in Windows I/O model. Specifically that all those kernel side layers (filter drivers, etc.) add so much latency to I/O requests that the difference between SSDs is just not very visible. Once Windows gets a faster I/O model, I'd expect small random read I/O (read: most that affects booting up, loading executables, etc.) to be up to 3x faster.

[@ashwadhwani]

Huge market of users who'll pay 200 to have their comp boot 2 secs faster than their neighbors ;)

[@mike--0]

Hey Linus, wouldn't you be able to force page file to use optane as RAM?

[@stevobox8726]

it will still be much much slower than just buying more RAM. pagefile gets written from and to RAM, so at best you get double the latency

[@mike--0]

shendriksza although true, ram prices are out of control.

[@mike--0]

C R not necessarily. If you already have let's say 4-8gb as ram. Then the page file will only be used after you exceed your ram limit. It might last longer than you think.

[@budthecyborg4575]

+AncientFury SLC SSD's already have 10x more endurance than MLC. If Samsung makes an SLC SSD it would perfectly match the specs of Intel Optane. www.tomsguide.com/us/ssd-value-performance,review-1455-6.html

[@HolyVampires]

Well think Anchentfury is on the right track. atleast as far as intel is marketing it. as a slow ram replacement for datacenter there hinting for it in there promo vidoes. and is compering it to ram aloot. www.intel.com.tr/content/www/tr/tr/architecture-and-technology/intel-optane-technology.html

[@TechDunk]

The cheapest 120 GB SSD will do for my os, main programs and youtube editing

[@rustyshackleford5668]

Dr. Dunk Funny you mention that..I just got my SSD yesterday for 50 bucks

[@tylerweigand8875]

I wouldn't say the cheapest, since some 120gb ssds aren't exactly that great. You definitely don't need to spend that much though: something relatively cheap ($50 ish) such as an SL308 or BX300 would do fine.

[@lutyanoalves444]

got one here with a hdd for games. why would u need more in 2018?

[@rattlehead999]

+Dr. Drunk the Cheapest SSD is and will be the Most Expensive SSD you buy.

[@skyy9590]

Microcenter has 120gb store brand for $30

[@dubmode152]

for anyone wondering, the track in the intro is Skeewiff & Syd Dale - First Steps

[@KNightstyleZ]

*"Thermaltake P90"* - Spray & Pray

[@khhoaiii]

I bought a Samsung Evo 850 500gb for $150 two years ago. Today you can get a 1tb for around $220. This product is a definite epic fail.

[@TheAknok]

The response time may be very good in specific use cases. Caching of course or general databases may show significant gains.

[@MrJackCookie]

7:31 What the hell is the background doing???

[@999bmxbandit]

This actually makes a huge difference in development workflows where you have multiple resources pulling from disk. A great example is if you're running your development environment and it has a caching layer and a database that you're using (let's say you're using docker compose so all are sitting on your machine). Reducing read latency on both a cache and a database will make highly noticeable differences.

[@techtosterone9997]

Happy to see a kitchen style backdrop/ground. Feels like the oldies LTT videos.

[@thephantom1492]

I do not see the point in this. Get a good samsung nvme instead. Get two instead maybe? One for boot, one for data and/or scratch. The performance difference is so small that you won't notice, but the extra space you have now allow you to put more stuff on it, more accelerated stuff!

[@superderpyderps]

@@tf2excession That doesn't help a consumer product have a purpose. Optane is great for datacenters and very specific work station loads, but this product is consumer facing and it falls flat in any metric that a consumer is going to care about

[@cona1432]

can the Optane fit in to the m.2 USB Stick ?

[@Carrosive]

Please don't

[@Luniii737]

The m.2 USB stick from the previous video doesn't support NVMe.

[@highlander723]

Even if it could you're going to face a bottleneck with USB 3 so what's the point

[@twoUTF]

no probably not. it only supports sata m.2

[@danielgidoni]

highlander723 not through thunderbolt

[@CyberiusT]

Thankyou for this one! I was just considering adding one of these to my new build. Looks like I'll be saving a few dollars for now.

[@TheXev]

58GBs for a boot drive?! I was worried that wasn't enough back in 2002 running Windows XP with a slimmed down nLite installation!? Intel clearly needs to increase the random drug test Inside the company. Intel:Drug testing outside

[@MisterCOM]

i use an old 60 g ssd as one and 1 dualboot on it

[@Johanneslol11]

I think Linus is going at this for the wrong view, this is ment for system administrators as caching drives for enterprise servers.

[@franspai7415]

RealTheXev windows 10 is like 15gb, whats the problem with 58gb?

[@temp50]

Windows 10 is about 100GB+ ...

[@piotrkrolikowski9335]

@Johanneslol11 except intel doesn't seem to be marketing it that way.

[@Rene2u9]

i guess optane in ultrabooks would be nice..

[@dskwared2u610]

I bought the 960 Pro M.2 for my build. My coworker's son found a gaming PC already built on Newegg around Christmas that had the Optane. I talked him out of that one and I built him a PC and used Crucial's M.2. I haven't checked lately but Crucial had some rockin prices around Christmas.

[@Diamondragan]

This would be a fantastic time to show live tests of real usage of page file as exclusive RAM replacement. I have been unable to find much in searches. With the idea of Optane as a low-latency storage, why not disable RAM and force all memory usage through the 3D Xpoint SSD? Pit it against other storage devices and see if any of them even work at all. One guy on Tom's Hardware was able to play GTA V (albeit horribly) with RAM limited to 2GB and with a SATA3 SSD page file. If that works, what could you do with an Optane page file? If this already exists, I would appreciate a link to that demonstration.

[@chrisedwards3866]

Diamondragan it's probably possible, and IMHO is one of the better ways to demonstrate how fast it really is without boring people to sleep with charts. Hopefully someone does exactly that test. But for the GTA example I'd have some concern over if/how it was also using video memory. It's not a good business-case demonstration, but it's a great way to grab attention and make people realize that it has new capabilities that older technology couldn't offer.

[@aaron552au]

Pages on disk are inaccessible until they are copied back to RAM, so it's not possible to replace RAM with a swap file (it's impossible by definition). If the Optane device does MMIO, then it might be possible to use it as a RAM replacement, but most PCIE devices don't have large MMIO regions, if any, and I don't think Windows is designed to be able to use MMIO regions as RAM.

[@hanro50]

Windows being closed source is a bottleneck here and I doubt Microsoft will waste money on a niche platform which might require complete rewrites to central operating files. You'd have to basically fork your own Linux destro to get some form of OS running on that setup. Might be fantastic for remote computers that have to continue working even if they suffer power failure

[@Zizzily]

This really makes me wonder if Intel is getting much lower yields than they expected. Either that or they're trying to decrease price by increasing volume. It almost just seems like proof of concept, or something to go between the 16/32GB Optane "Memory" and the 900P as far as pricing goes to make things look nicer in their line-up for investors or just to keep Xpoint in the news? It mostly just seems like something to try and compete with high RAM prices, though. For now, besides as a scratch disk, or, you can't get Intel Optane working as memory, at least a place to put your page file. Or perhaps for just running specific programs that require performance at low queue depths. Perhaps to be used mostly as an OS/Page File/certain app drive while most other stuff is either on your SSD or HDD? Maybe for users of stuff like CAD, GIS mapping, etc. where you need a ton of RAM but can't afford it right now?

[@TheMacfruit]

Zzyzx Wolfe tbh the driver nightmare probably only applies to windows

[@Spec4D]

I think your guess about keeping their investors happy via "mindshare is market share" is probably right. I'm not complaining though. It's always nice to see what are essentially datacenter products available to the masses. Also keep in mind that Intel tends to be a slow and careful company when it comes to investing in new products. Another factor is that Intel has such a long history of high profit margins that they tend to overprice new products. They'd much rather tip their toes in the consumer market with Optane then jump in head first. As the products get cheaper it's easier to expand an existing product channel then create a new one. Make no mistake all signs point to 3d x-point being the future of Intel storage tech; it's just taking longer then Intel's short sighted investors would like.

[@alienrenders]

Yeah, it looks like bad parts that they're trying to offload.

[@Spec4D]

I have actually been wondering about that. In Linux swap is handled a lot better then the windows pagefile. In practice 8gb of ram and a 64gb optane drive(with appropriate settings set) might actually outperform a system with 32gb of RAM in typical workloads. There are a lot of excellent niche uses for optane; it's just not worth the money for a typical windows desktop consumer(or prosumer for that matter)

[@ragilmalik]

spec4d no, actually it's the same. swap is easier to use and maintain because you are able to tweak it. page file ? meh.

[@kennyyarmolchuk5560]

optane do much more than you tell. it manage the power and heat. its a perfect beauty

[@scottymsu6063]

Intel try to claim Optane as ram. I remember computer being sold as 16gig Ram but only have 8gig real Ram and 8gig Optine cache drive... such fake marketing BS

[@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart]

Eh, to be honest it IS a form of Random Access Memory. It just isn't DDR4 RAM. Pretty scummy of the sistem integrator and Intel to encourage that confusion

[@MistaJones89]

"Speaking of things to disagree about, the way we integrate sponsors!" hahaha

[@noaht5654]

The four wall is all over the floor! Nice ad transition.

[@tsuki_eg]

oh my god i got a crucial SSD ad i am laughing so hard xD

[@jurk1s_unnamedbiker]

STEP BACK is real :/

[@TheBetterGame]

As to the sponsors, This is the first time i've seen something you featured and clicked the link. I think I might actually grab one of those P90's.

[@StefsEngineering]

Something (somewhat related) that could be cool to test is the difference in performance between an HDD, SSD, NVME and virtual disc on ram. I am thinking of professional use, things as video rendering/exporting and CAD software with very large assemblies (a company where I worked a year ago had assemblies containing upwards of 13k parts that took about 10 to 15 minutes to load in solidworks)

[@dstblj5222]

Man that sucks on solid works load. Did you guys try running it all of a SQL server, that seemed to make that less of a issue for use, and management liked it cause we could spend less on hardware.

[@StefsEngineering]

Im not sure, there was a PDM system but even with all the files local it took quite a while. (well over 10 minutes.) With assemblies of well over 10k parts even the small things make a big difference, for example with concentric mates. It made for example quite a difference after we selected "lock rotation" on all these mates.

[@dstblj5222]

Yeah we mostly worked on sub assemblies for that reason by that point you basically never touch the main model.

[@StefsEngineering]

Same here, but now and then you needed more information to check fit. But usally the assemblies where 5/8 levels deep.

[@dstblj5222]

yeah that was why never really booted the main assembly just had it updating and would spread like 10 different clones of it which would check with each other, and all the people in the office had a way to pull up those copies onto their monitors.

[@Deadpixelator]

i really like your new kitchen set, but can you please use a tripod for your red camera it is really noticeable. also i don't think optane is at a viable price now because of nand storage prices now so high

[@slash7303]

I didnt notice it till I read your comment but now its really bugging me lol

[@BrainSlugs83]

@1:40 -- You can already accelerate your non-boot drive (or boot drive, or RAID array) with Intel ISRT... -- in other words, that already exists... -- like, so what are you asking for? -- Plus there's third party products (like PrimoCache) which can do the same (either stand-alone or as another layer, and Primo Cache even supports using RAM as well as SSD to boost disk speeds)... so... what are you talking about?

[@swiift03]

Dedicated arma 3 drive

[@randomdude4669]

Damn rip linus hair

[@josephnevin]

Random Dude dang.. Noticed the same

[@cesarposadasatamusic]

This is what happens after using that Dyson thing on your head...

[@mrscreamer379]

My hair did that at about the same age. Within 3 years it was gone. Linus Scalp Tips to 100k subscribers!

[@Floydarn]

I don't think it's that bad, he's just using the wrong hair product! He totally need some wax and salt spray! Pete and pedros anyone?

[@mrscreamer379]

He should take a razor to it. The dollar shave club would throw more money at him.

[@aftli]

Compiling very large C++ projects can use a HUGE amount of random read access, and I feel the lower latency might be a selling point there.

[@CombatGod]

This drive has huge business potential and for commercial use. Some of what I do is setup POS system at restaurants. This would be amazing for Restaurant touchscreens POS systems. Especially in a busy place where their database can reach up to 1 gig. Even though it doesn't seem like a lot of data. When you have 7 terminals all working on it during a busy rush hour you have no idea how much a system can get slowed down. Even half a second delay going between order screens is a long time to wait for a waitress putting in 6 orders for 30+ people. That easily adds up to minutes waiting for the system to respond. Also, these systems are just barebones Windows7/10 so space isn't an issue at all.

[@LinusTechTips]

That's a great use case!

[@wesleyellis9451]

Given that almost every commercial PC I’ve ever touched runs an Intel processor of some sort, maybe that price per GB issue could be softened with a package deal when the manufacturers are building their motherboards.

[@chrisedwards3866]

So much this. It doesn't have much consumer use, but for business use it is massive. It's basically at a midpoint between RAM and SSDs, but it's priced closer to SSDs. That makes it awesome. And if you put it in a high-throughput server farm, it'll do wonders.

[@STRmw2]

I wish you would review things the same way even when sponsored.

[@Lowkas]

He... He said he doesnt recommend it, the price is too high and its marketing doesnt make sense. What else does he need to do? Call Intel names?

[@facekickr]

Holy crap! I was thinking the same thing as the title of this video!! Thanks guys.

[@scottycranmer8548]

intel are losing it

[@thisismychannel2636]

LOL "SSDs are finally at the point where their costs have fallen and their capacity is so high mechanical hard drives are [no longer needed]". Newegg has a Samsung SSD 1tb for $330 and a 1tb HDD from seagate being $70.

[@lordmuhehe4605]

I think he was talking about system drives. For mass storage, HDDs are obviously cheaper.

[@christianmoore7109]

Exactly. That’s why I use a 2TB HDD for most things; it’s so much cheaper.

[@christianmoore4666]

Christian Moore Umm i too use a 2tb hdd and am named christian moore Help

[@user-pg7oj4cb9z]

Christian Moore Some of us aren’t champ asses.

[@bobhumplick4213]

the 1tb wd blue is only about 45 usd on newegg all the time. its a great drive reliable and fast. but i think linus meant for average person with a mid to highend system and only a couple steam games. i think he meant it was "possible" to replace your hdd with an ssd if you only need 500gb-1tb and its not a budget system. but if you gotta lot of stuff its hard to beat an ssd + hdd como setup

[@lokiloki981]

ive been watching him since 10k subs. I feel proud

[@Philson]

Yeah no idea. Intel is out of touch. Nvme is the way to go.

[@ElGamerXL]

Extra T H I C C wires

[@ccaygen]

makes sense for high frequency trading servers

[@ml_serenity]

Except for their disk IOPS shouldn't affect the performance of the trading system at all. RAM is still waaaaay faster than Optane.

[@e46sebb]

thats a lot of money for a useless amount of storage a Samsung EVO 950 Pro 256GB is perfect with a secondary 2TB Drive

[@blahblah7720]

you can use the evo as a cache for the 2TB drive?How do you do that?

[@e46sebb]

no i mean like the evo with a 2TB drive is a perfect storage solution

[@MarioManTV]

Blahblah Intel SRT does exactly this: www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005501/boards-and-kits.html

[@Wargon2013]

Still running a old SATA 128GB SSD + 2TB HDD setup but this works perfectly fine. Can't boot as fast as a modern notebook (better SSD basically) but windows boot time is absolutely no issue and while the HDD is slow in comparison, its cheap and just has so much space. When I make the move to nvme, I would probably go for a 256 + 2TB as well. ...games are getting bigger and bigger and my current 128GB SSD only has 30GB left and I didn't install that much on it.

[@bobsagget823]

Primocache lets you use SSD as cache. Better than intel SRT and whatever garbage amd rebranded.

[@gnightrow4020]

*Microsoft Word is a Benchmark ?????*

[@nathanyost15]

Anything Microsoft makes (software-wise) is a benchmark... Everything they make is slow af.

[@cookieneko6398]

Windows itself is a bench mark

[@1ace1000]

@@cookieneko6398 I absolutely can see that as a thing.

[@gregkramer5588]

Probably not for typical home users but from an embedded standpoint it is easy to find uses.

[@wolfydoes]

MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT AMD FUZEDRIVE. PLEASE. ITS AMDS VERSION OF OPTANE.

[@jedbaldwin]

I wouldn’t call it AMDs version of Optane. Fuze drive is there version of a software level storage management system. It doesn’t make things faster, it just decides where to write things for you based on file type.

[@n3rdg4m3r]

I agree i want to see fuze drive tested. Since the AMD announcement I cant find anyone who has reviewed it. Just for kicks its not made by AMD, its made by Enmotus as a partnership with AMD. It's essentially a piece of software that you select one fast(ssd/nvme) drive and a cold drive (sata ssd/hdd). It will detect hot data (frequently used) and move it to the faster drive while cold data (not frequently used) gets moved to the slow disk. To windows it just appears as a single drive.

[@chrisedwards3866]

The N3rdG4m3r so, it's the idea behind the hybrid drives, except it can work across physically separate drives? Sounds good to me. Drive management in Windows is a bit of a mess, especially these days. I don't understand how they can think that starting on C, saving on D (as so many computers do have both an SSD and HDD), and then using the next letters whenever someone plugs in a USB drive or phone is a consistent solution. Smart Microsoft Employee: "Hey the user plugged their phone into the computer. We can charge the battery, but can't even read from it unless the user gives permission, and we definitely can't modify the file system without screwing it up. Should we name it something different from a standard drive because its, you know, completely different?" Dumb Microsoft Boss: "Don't be stupid, everything should be given the same naming convention as hard drives! If it stores data, it gets a letter, no exceptions! That will make absolutely perfect sense, and it will let people save Steam games to their phones because of course they'll want to do that." ..... I bet that boss was the same one who thought it was a good idea to create a folder named "program files (x86)", because segregating half the programs on the computer is obviously so much easier for the user than adding a metatag to indicate 64-bit or 32-bit and just handling it without bugging the user.

[@thedodob1rd]

Get a normal one, or a m.2. I seen in a video that it slows down. For example if I want to play gta and then overwatch. It will be slow. this is glorified RAM. If I boot the same game and then a new one. all the memory will be used. and you'll have to get a new one. It slows down and doesn't have enough storage. It will only be worth it if you only play a few games. And it just makes no sense. I may have mistaken these for their cache. Thanks Linus. :)

[@LinusTechTips]

This is not a cache drive. It's intended to be used as a regular SSD.

[@thedodob1rd]

Linus Tech Tips Oh. Derp. didn't Intel make one though. Thanks for reply

[@Just_call_me_M]

this is so faking rare i wanna take a screen shot

[@thedodob1rd]

IkingKwI Lol. I thought it was the cache thing. Then he replied. I'm not sure if I made myself look stupid or not to him...

[@sevenstrings7eve]

What it is for is IRST hybrid drives which have the solid state portion capped at 60GB but the price makes it obsolete when compared to solid state drives.

[@IchimaruGin19877]

IT has finally happened !!!!! LINUS has finally become a walking talking infomercial !!!!!!

[@LasseHuhtala]

Embedded systems?

[@thegardenofeatin5965]

That's my guess.

[@Javich]

Not sure if anyone else already posted something similar, but here it goes: A good market (IMO) is Software Development. When building (compiling) source code to binary (such as C/C++, Java) several read/write operations are required, latency in these operations could be ignored if this was used for a build server, however, if a developer is working on a project, let's say, a fairly big web application, iterations on building/compiling/running are required to develop/test the software piece. Having a drive with low latencies for random read/write operations will reduce the time required for those cycles.

[@jibic9951]

My phone got more memory than this.... The phone is slightly more expensive than this

[@anonysalt]

"Truly a replacement for the hard drives of yore" "1TB for 600 dollaridoos" Good joke.

[@user-st5ir8mg3q]

Take in mind, this one is *the best* ssd on the market, not just a regular one. And also now even this one costs 300 (well, he's successor to be exact)

[@alexrsps141]

Sam Smith meh you could buy a NVMe gen4 M.2 of 1TB for just 200, which has far greater speeds. Maybe not as low of latency but do you care enough to pay 400 more for just some lower latency and much lower speeds?

[@Umbrailism]

3:56 Is that the old Windows maze screensaver in the background?

[@breezyberwick1927]

Extra thicc wires

[@CUBEoneVX]

No videos about the GeForce Partner Program? hmmm

[@seanC3i]

Watched this video near enough to two years later and Optane is still insanely expensive. It would be awesome if it were made feasible for consumers/gamers because (from what I read years ago) Optane does not have the limited rewrite cycle issues of TLC/QLC NAND flash, so you'd never have to replace it, but in terms of value for money and performance, you're still better off buying a WD Black NVME drive or something where you can get a terabyte for under $200. Maybe some day Optane/3DXPoint will be an option for normal people, but I'm not going to wait around for it.

[@breakcoregivesmewo0od611]

who: tech channels to make content why: exposure in boring times

[@planktonfun1]

Intel made it for the money, like every product they make so far

[@danilap8994]

The Canadian "sorry" lol (6:40)

[@whiskyfiasco]

As soon he says *cablemods* I double tap twice to skip 20 secs. Like if you do too

[@樂天羊]

87分不能再高了!

[@nicholashoi3155]

樂天羊 Wut??

[@StaK_1980]

That stock footage in the background was more interesting (distracting ) than the actual benchmark data :-)

[@greentea6013]

too much camera pseudo movement?

[@princesscool69]

honestly if your getting worked up over a few miliseconds of program launch times that are already under 10 seconds you need to re-evaluate your life

[@chance2480]

princesscool69 it's a tech channel what do you expect him to talk about lmao

[@ThePerilousPenguin]

Values scale, and that is what the intent of a comparison truly is on that scale. Also even if a program opens in

[@chrisedwards3866]

Actually, if you get that worked up about it, then you're probably doing pretty damn well in life. Because this isn't supposed to benefit average Joe consumer, it's supposed to benefit major data centers and server farms. That better latency means a massive improvement and savings. So if you're the guy who's in the position to buy this for the server farm, then you're probably doing well and are about to do a whole lot better.

[@DeathBringer769]

+Chris Edwards It actually is marketed towards consumers though, lol. They already have a separate Enterprise line (P4800X, for example) dedicated towards professional use cases. This is branded/marketed towards "high performance consumer enthusiasts" which is the weird part, lol.

[@bengus8148]

Guess he could discuss the weather on this tech site?!?!?!

[@CdrSonan]

This will probably never be read, but there are people doing animation work in Blender who use these to get better viewport performance when working on scenes with a physics cache. In Blender, the physics cache of each frame is only loaded after the previous frame is fully displayed, so in some cases, drive latency can become the bottleneck for the framerate. This goes as far that some people have reported getting double the FPS in the Blender viewport when. running their cache off an Optane drive rather than a „normal“ nvme SSD

[@aldondriusaldondrius5617]

Intel BS can't really compete in SSD, glad you called it, rarely do. They can't fix the damn CPU's let alone do other hardware, Intel's fall never stops, i am not buying unless they fix the TIM issue and the security flaws, keep your products.