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@TheArmchairHistorian
@TheArmchairHistorian 6 жыл бұрын
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@Zetraxes
@Zetraxes 6 жыл бұрын
The Armchair Historian i thought this was about the second world war
@frogglen6350
@frogglen6350 6 жыл бұрын
The Armchair Historian Thank you for the video
@angusmcogitaly
@angusmcogitaly 6 жыл бұрын
Nice job, just a few things... The year 1871 doesn't have any particular meaning in the Italian reunification process. The Kingdom of Italy was established in 1861, after the so called "Second Italian war of independence" of 1859 (Piedmont allied with France against Austria), the Garibaldi Campaign of 1860 in the South and the referendums that took place in regions involved in this events. 1861 is considered in Italy to be the year of the "Unità d'Italia". In 1866 the "Third Italian war of independance" was fought (Italy allied with Prussia against Austria), which gained Italy Veneto and most of the Friuli region. In 1870 the Capture of Rome is the event that ended the Italian Risorgimento (Italy taking Rome and ending the State of the Church while France and Prussia are too busy fighting the Franco-Prussian war to really care about what's going on with the Pope). On the other hand 1871 is the year of the founding of the German Empire. Confusion between Italian and German reunification dates is actually a pretty common mistake on KZbin! In the first map showed in the video Italy's missing Veneto and Friuli (an area roughly the size of Massachusetts). Since that's presumably related to the Giolitti years, that's not correct. That would also be wrong in relation to the signing of the Triple Alliance in 1882, as this border didn't change between 1866 and 1915. Eventually those regions are correctly included in the other map which is showed later on, when WWI is discussed. The guy on the right at 1.07 is Vittorio Emanuele II, not III. I mean... I agree that may not sound like such a big deal, but still... would you take a Lincoln for a Grant while talking about US Presidents? Fun fact: the guy eating pasta at 3.16 is Alberto Sordi in a famous scene from "Un Americano a Roma", a 1954 movie actually mocking the Americanization of Italian society in the years after WWII kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5y9mIh-f96maNU
@andreascovano7742
@andreascovano7742 6 жыл бұрын
Why doesn’t Italy have Venice under Giolitti?
@calzyxt
@calzyxt 6 жыл бұрын
The Armchair Historian slow down dude, spoke way too fast
@XScorpionXful
@XScorpionXful 6 жыл бұрын
"Italy was led by Victor Emmanuel III" *shows Victor Emmanuel II* _Jesus_
@big_dro1713
@big_dro1713 5 жыл бұрын
We all make mistakes
@user-rf5qo6rw5b
@user-rf5qo6rw5b 5 жыл бұрын
And then mussolini yay. (Kill me)
@user-rf5qo6rw5b
@user-rf5qo6rw5b 5 жыл бұрын
Mussolini was prime minister and then dictator and italy was still a monarchy.
@calebadams2876
@calebadams2876 5 жыл бұрын
Please dont take Lord's Name in Vain
@commanderikari1063
@commanderikari1063 5 жыл бұрын
Victor Emmanuel II >>> Victor Emmanuel III
@HistoryMarche
@HistoryMarche 6 жыл бұрын
Beautifully presented, great work! Love the illustrations. Literally can't wait for the History of Venice video!!
@neutronalchemist3241
@neutronalchemist3241 6 жыл бұрын
Really it's a trollish title followed by grossly uninformed content.
@toasted386
@toasted386 3 жыл бұрын
He put ' ' for a reason
@giorgiodifrancesco4590
@giorgiodifrancesco4590 3 жыл бұрын
@@toasted386 It's insufficient.
@AirshipsAviation11
@AirshipsAviation11 3 жыл бұрын
@@neutronalchemist3241 lol
@mr.hammond8888
@mr.hammond8888 6 жыл бұрын
Couple things...the video makes it seem like Italy got the territories it was promised, but that is not the case. Italian nationalists complained that the Treaty of London was not actually fulfilled. Additionally, Italy suffered severe economic hardships after the war, which was the primary reason for the rise of Mussolini and fascism (not to mention communism). The end of the video doesn't seem to reflect the realities of the post-war period. I do enjoy your channel, though!
@TheArmchairHistorian
@TheArmchairHistorian 6 жыл бұрын
J H You’re totally correct, that was a point I neglected to make. Griff
@zeimarc752
@zeimarc752 6 жыл бұрын
What? rise of fascism and not to mention communism in italy?
@mr.hammond8888
@mr.hammond8888 6 жыл бұрын
Correct. Communism enjoyed a surge of popularity in some European countries after the war, including Italy. Italian fascists would attack communists during protests and rallies, a scene that would be repeated in Germany a few years later.
@helebarda344
@helebarda344 6 жыл бұрын
'Italian nationalists complained that the Treaty of London was not actually fulfilled' True they did say that and then invaded the territories of current Slovenia and did what every fascist county does to a minority. Try to eliminate their culture and forcefully move them to other parts of Italy where they will serve as cheap labor.
@mr.hammond8888
@mr.hammond8888 6 жыл бұрын
That happened after Mussolini came to power, but isn’t pertinent to the topic at hand...
@jamesbalmer7736
@jamesbalmer7736 6 жыл бұрын
Italy was unified in 1861, not 1871, that was Germany
@darreljones8645
@darreljones8645 5 жыл бұрын
That's when the Kingdom of Italy was officially declared, but it didn't include Venice or Rome at the time. Venice was annexed in 1866, and Rome in 1871.
@EdoardoLusuardi
@EdoardoLusuardi 5 жыл бұрын
@@darreljones8645 If you go to Italy, the official date of the Italian unification is in 1861.
@duanesarjec6887
@duanesarjec6887 4 жыл бұрын
No you are forgot ! Roma and the state of Vatican
@boostergold20
@boostergold20 4 жыл бұрын
@Undiscovered Nacho actually 1860
@boostergold20
@boostergold20 4 жыл бұрын
@Undiscovered Nacho and it doesnt matter if it was the same year.
@K_1_T_S_U_N_E
@K_1_T_S_U_N_E 6 жыл бұрын
Now the funny part of the story. The allies betrayed Italy after the war and didnt give them the promist territory.
@kostam.1113
@kostam.1113 6 жыл бұрын
They did, but not everything.
@marzialuiso7301
@marzialuiso7301 6 жыл бұрын
Emil Joseph stop. Really. Stop. You're not funny, by writing that you seem like a fucking badass. You stupid.
@forthepotentates7526
@forthepotentates7526 6 жыл бұрын
You think I'd stop just because a small dumb moron told me so? Fuck you bitch.
@marzialuiso7301
@marzialuiso7301 6 жыл бұрын
Emil Joseph no, fuck you, you can't even comment without insulti gli Italy. Sei una capra
@marzialuiso7301
@marzialuiso7301 6 жыл бұрын
Emil Joseph ok, now, cause I'm more mature than you, I'll quit this conversation.
@Ermagron
@Ermagron 4 жыл бұрын
someone:"italy betray" me: someone dosent know the difference between defensive alliance and military alliance.
@yesman8708
@yesman8708 4 жыл бұрын
yeah, pretty much.
@Ermagron
@Ermagron 4 жыл бұрын
@Großösterreichisches Reich the great war, in the second war there was a surrender, and a civil war but no atk from italy into german territory.
@Ermagron
@Ermagron 4 жыл бұрын
@Großösterreichisches Reich all good
@trauko1388
@trauko1388 4 жыл бұрын
LOL!!! Sure, as if a royal assassination is not an attack... Italy stabbed its allies in the back por a bribe, good luck trying to erase that.
@Ermagron
@Ermagron 4 жыл бұрын
@@trauko1388 royal assasination made by a private immigrants? i call that terrorism, defensive pact are used when an actuall ARMY invade your territory or a state declare war to you, i can bet my left hand the defensive agreement litteraly state "in case fo war declaration lol"
@Papawill13
@Papawill13 6 жыл бұрын
This is wrong. The UK promised so much more to Italy, basically every land touching the Adriadic Sea as well as parts of Austria. In essence all the UK gave Italy was land they had took from Austria, that tyrol section. Also you understate the Animosity between Italy and Austria. THAT is the real reason Italy choose the Allies.
@12hairyjohn
@12hairyjohn 5 жыл бұрын
Also, with its long coastline, it feared an attack by the Ryal Navy.
@user-mj2jm7yl9x
@user-mj2jm7yl9x 5 жыл бұрын
It would have just been smarter for Italy to have gone with the UK. At least they will have their colonies for a bit longer and use that oil money for something
@AK-forty-seven
@AK-forty-seven 4 жыл бұрын
Lol why the hell would you reward traitors, Britain did the right thing and should even had taken land from them. They were more of a nuisance rather than an ally lol
@user-mj2jm7yl9x
@user-mj2jm7yl9x 4 жыл бұрын
@3213232 1231223 Envy for what, the Italian army? The UK doesn't hate Italy it has only gone against it in wwii. I don't know why you think Italy wouldn't exist if it went with the UK if anything it would be stronger
@user-mj2jm7yl9x
@user-mj2jm7yl9x 4 жыл бұрын
@3213232 1231223 it is because Italy has a very bad military record in WWII and Ethiopia
@junior1497
@junior1497 6 жыл бұрын
Why is Italy great at football? Because they switch sides at half time
@danyksvanhelsing970
@danyksvanhelsing970 6 жыл бұрын
I'm italian but this is genius
@aegeanharrier6648
@aegeanharrier6648 5 жыл бұрын
You are awesome!
@nishhnishh1088
@nishhnishh1088 5 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha
@callmeyourmajesty09
@callmeyourmajesty09 5 жыл бұрын
@@danyksvanhelsing970 lol your name "Danyks Van Helsing" is not Italian. Stop pretending you rat
@callmeyourmajesty09
@callmeyourmajesty09 5 жыл бұрын
I guess we switched side in 1934, 1938, 1982 and 2006 too
@ElBandito
@ElBandito 6 жыл бұрын
Was half a million deaths really worth the captured territories for Italy?
@matteosoffietto
@matteosoffietto 6 жыл бұрын
El Bandito No, and that's one of the reasons why fascism born
@Ryder2010G6
@Ryder2010G6 6 жыл бұрын
Matteo Soffietto so millions of deaths due to a useless war lead to the rise of an ideology that supports another useless war that would claim the lives of millions? Smart
@leonardodedonatis4450
@leonardodedonatis4450 6 жыл бұрын
No,it wasn't.
@mickmickymick6927
@mickmickymick6927 6 жыл бұрын
People don't care how many others die if it makes them feel their imaginary group is a bit more powerful.
@leonardodedonatis4450
@leonardodedonatis4450 6 жыл бұрын
I agree with you Mick, and I'll tell you a thing: the people of south tyrol don' t feel italian.They feel austrian.
@luigin649
@luigin649 3 жыл бұрын
Gabriele D'Annunzio called it "the wounded victory" because the italian kingom didnt obtained all the territories, that was the cause of the raise of fascism, plus, keep in mind how much northern italians hated the austrians at that time, if you look back at the various indipendence and unification wars~
@StoriaDItalia
@StoriaDItalia 3 жыл бұрын
LuigiN64 grande Luigi, ancora che vedi sti video degli albionici
@giorgiodifrancesco4590
@giorgiodifrancesco4590 3 жыл бұрын
@@StoriaDItalia Questo è americano, non albionico.
@LautaroArgentino
@LautaroArgentino 3 жыл бұрын
Vittoria mutilata. Austria siempre hizo todo lo que pudo para evitar que Italia se unificara.
@khronostheavenger8923
@khronostheavenger8923 6 жыл бұрын
"Siding with the Entente proved to be a safer and more valuable action". Tell that to the men under Cadorna.
@bjarnonegames5394
@bjarnonegames5394 5 жыл бұрын
@Bernhard Jordan and this would have led to central powers winning the war
@mickmickymick6927
@mickmickymick6927 6 жыл бұрын
Why did Spain never become a power again after the initial seizure of its colonies?
@dams6829
@dams6829 6 жыл бұрын
Mick Mickymick It was ruined by Napoleonic wars and even before was shadow of his former self. And in 19th century constant switching of government and unrest made it really weak.
@zeimarc752
@zeimarc752 6 жыл бұрын
isolated colonization became burden for spanish empire to maintain its power because of poor city connections which british empire, its rival, won naval supremacy against spanish armada and made blockade rendering spanish to make connect to its colonies through water. and alot of revolution during spanish colonization happened and it tooks heavy burden for spanish military to enforce law in its colonies thats why they sold its colonies to US
@dams6829
@dams6829 6 жыл бұрын
Zei Marc Or USA took like half of Spain's remaining colonies.
@Pedrosa2541
@Pedrosa2541 6 жыл бұрын
Incompetence in administration, it is better to have a small country with few to almost no resources but a good administration than have a big heavy empire economy but with a shitty administration. Spain monarchy was famous for the bloody persecution of rivals, not paying debts, corruption, inquisition, pointless wars, prevalence of medieval isntitutions,, excess burocracy and other things. Holland was almost the opposite of it, and the reason why they could easely surpass them at the XVII century.
@marcsalvadorvilanova6512
@marcsalvadorvilanova6512 6 жыл бұрын
There's a quote (presumably) from Otto Von Bismarck that defines it pretty well, and it's still valid today: ‘I am firmly convinced that Spain is the strongest country of the world. Century after century trying to destroy herself and still no success’
@colinwolf9730
@colinwolf9730 6 жыл бұрын
Hotenzdorf and Cadorna on the same side. Imagine Indy narrating it. I guess the Rumbles on the Isonzo would have been on some river in southeast france, and against Haig!
@theprophetofthepastagod5633
@theprophetofthepastagod5633 6 жыл бұрын
Colin Wolf just the thought of that made me moist
@kingusernamelxixthemagnifi3488
@kingusernamelxixthemagnifi3488 6 жыл бұрын
That would have been... ...a modern war.
@namingisdifficult408
@namingisdifficult408 6 жыл бұрын
CRO guys interesting
@kirby4427
@kirby4427 5 жыл бұрын
What means italian lands ?? Trento and Trieste have been under Austrian rule since the 16 century. Even Napoleons Fantasy Italy has none of these territories. There is no legitimate claim on these. All this is made up by nationalists and fascists. All italy have brought these territories is economical downfall and the wipeout of ethnical minorities in these regions.
@kirby4427
@kirby4427 5 жыл бұрын
@tiglath pileser There is no former kingdom of Italy ?? Trentino was Always part of Tyrol and Trieste was Part of Austria since 1382. A Kingdom of Italy was non-existent until 1812. and Croatia and Bosnia Herzogwina were freed of Ottoman rule. The Crown of Croatia is connected to the Crown of Hungary since the 14 Century. All slavs volks have extrem autonomy and were not supressed. Croatia had even their own Parlament in Agram. You only search exuses for the nationalists and Fascist behaviour of Italy. There are no ethnics only different languages. Ethnic is the "Family friendly" Version of race
@giacomomercandelli4035
@giacomomercandelli4035 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for clarifying that the alliance was defensive. People seem to forget it. Plus, Austria didn't consult Italy before declaring war. Important to consider the fact that Fascism and Nationalism took over thanks to the fact that many of the promised land was then NOT given to Italy (due to the fact that America opposed it, as a non-signatory of the Treaty of London", creating the myth of the "Mutilated Victory")
@user-et6cr6qd8v
@user-et6cr6qd8v 3 жыл бұрын
you declared war on the witch country had a devensive pakt with you..... how on can you say that this isnt betraying someone and take yourself seroisly???
@giacomomercandelli4035
@giacomomercandelli4035 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-et6cr6qd8v I can say it because it was explicitly specified that any country could denounce and leave the alliance in case a war would be declared without consulting the other two. Simple.
@user-et6cr6qd8v
@user-et6cr6qd8v 3 жыл бұрын
@@giacomomercandelli4035 leavin the aliance would have been kind of ok but you declared war
@giacomomercandelli4035
@giacomomercandelli4035 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-et6cr6qd8v well, still. Can be "unnice", or whatever, but it's not a betrayal. It happened one year after. Plus, don't forget that the Austrian generls were also always waiting for a chance to "punish" Italy after the unification (for example, being the only ones who proposed to attack Italy after the Messina earthquake, when all the world was sending help)...
@Belgianmapping1830
@Belgianmapping1830 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget that Italy and Austria Hungary had some tense relations before ww1
@lugie
@lugie 5 жыл бұрын
Actually it was austria who betrayed italy, they did not respect the treaty attacking without consulting its allies, when asked for the promised territories with a majority of italian speakers they refused. The only goal of italy was to unificate.
@Etorate_
@Etorate_ 5 жыл бұрын
Time traveler from 1915: So how is Earth after the great war?? Is there peace?? People from 2018: You mean WW1??? Time traveler: Wait a minute.... Hold up....
@hodor9851
@hodor9851 4 жыл бұрын
People so hesitant. Those are just some retarded bitches that were just a bunch of clowns during school
@getmeoutofsanfrancisco9917
@getmeoutofsanfrancisco9917 4 жыл бұрын
What the hell is happening here
@Etorate_
@Etorate_ 3 жыл бұрын
@Z.Z. S.R. who are you, and why are you?
@itespablade1688
@itespablade1688 4 жыл бұрын
It was a good description about events happened before war, but during war there were many more stuff. Treaty of London actually said Italy would have go, actual Croatian coast and actually greek islands in front of Turky (none of them as well as Tirol and Total control of Istrian peninsula) has been given, this caused a huge dislike of France and England in Italy. Many on every social level thought they have fought for nothing, this in Italy is called "vittoria mutilata" (amputee victory) as we actually won but didn't get what promised, this caused the rise of totalitarisms, as well as Mussolini (who was a socialist before being fascist). Greek islands has been gifted to greece and all territories in Balcanic area had been given to newly created Jugoslavia. This has been made because of France who feared an aggressive expansion of Italy in balcanic area and fear of England of rising marittime power of italy and control of eastern borders and eventually threatening Egypt (english colony). As last i wish to point out: none betrayed Germany or Austro-Hungarians (to be precise you should have written Austr-hungarians as they began the war), treaties talked about defensive pact, the Kaiser declared war on Serbia, it was an obvious offensive war. At last considering Italy intervention made war much less expensive (this is why Entente pushed italy into war) and thanks to victory of italy agaunst Austro-hungarian empire war lasted a year and a half less, listening to what italian historics says.
@armincal9834
@armincal9834 6 жыл бұрын
im actually Iranian myself and since we didn't fight in either of the two world wars i have a completely neutral point of view. Let's begin with the title which i think is wrong. why? cuz Italy did not betray anyone in fact it were the allies who betrayed Italy. Italy's pact with Germany was a DEFENSIVE ONE and even though morally speaking it WAS a defensive war for the German empire it was a DE JURE offensive one since the Germans declared war on France first after Russia declared war on Austro-Hungary and thus Italy was not obliged to join the war and they decided not to because the failures in the colonial wars had taught them that their military cannot compete with that of the other European nations which is to be expected from a young nation such as Italy which lacked the experience of older super powers such as France and the UK in terms of colonialism and general warfare and then after years of suffering severe causalities fighting the Austrians to a stalemate suddenly the Allies refused to give them the territory they had promised to Italy in London and THIS is the reason why the fascists took power in Italy because the people of Italy felt betrayed by their allies. Also Italy had claims on those territories since the formation of the country whether a just claim or not, i lack the historical knowledge to say but the Austrians KNEW this and they had promised that in case of a defensive war territories will be ceded to Italy should they honor their defensive pact and the Austrians too betrayed that pact.
@nirfz
@nirfz 5 жыл бұрын
I would consider the secret pact between italy and france in 1902 betrayal of the germans and Austrians. As it means they kind of did switch sides secrectly. The territories offered by the central powers: those weren't initally part of the "Dreibund" this was a last ditch try to keep them from switching sides and entering the war. (Looks like italy was blackmailing Austria and they tried to negotiate a bit to me) So the Austrians did not betray this pact. The territories promised by the Allies: well it was easy to promise them everything they wanted because this weren't brittish, french or russian territories. It would be like the central powers promising the italians southern france. This pact (the "Dreibund") was created with the same goal as the Entent: to bind former enemies together and thus avoid war between them. In fact if you take the point of view of all the mainly involved nations of WW1 Italy is kind of the only country who cannot reason its entry as to defend itself.
@cptant7610
@cptant7610 5 жыл бұрын
Well technically you fought in WW2 when Iran was invaded by a joint force from the UK and the Soviet Union.
@garn3590
@garn3590 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, i just want to add one thing, that even the defensive pact was void when Austria started gaining more lands in the Balcans, but refused to give both us and Germany the lands that they owed us, as stated in one of the points of the pact, making it void, the Germans remained at Austria's side only because they had more to gain from her
@nirfz
@nirfz 5 жыл бұрын
@Alfa&Omega 00000 This territory had not belonged to italy as the Country Italy as a whole did not exist when these areas came to Austria. And the former many states were independent from another, most didn't really like each other and from time to tme waged war against each other. When the mentioned territories came to Austria they identified as Triestines, People from the Trento (no idea how the english word for them is) etc. not as italians. So techically no freeing territory just adding territory. And could you reference the pacts you mentioned? (a link or book) because at the moment i can't think of which or what packts you are refferring to. Additionally where did you learn that Austria wanted to attack Italy in 1908? Because that also isn't ringing any bell in my brain. I checked the Bosnian crisis which happend in 1908 and there was no intention to attack Italy. Conrad v. Hötzendorf wanted to attack Serbia but he was the only one (and he called for war often and was usually ignored). I remember Italy threatening to invade Albania and then not doing it because they would have risked war in doing so, but i don't think that was in 1908.
@VvLastHopevV
@VvLastHopevV 6 жыл бұрын
Why France and UK betrayed Poland, before and after war?
@iteachyou1575
@iteachyou1575 6 жыл бұрын
Because Russia did signed an agreement with Germany.
@googlesucks7840
@googlesucks7840 5 жыл бұрын
VvLastHopeV: Did France and the UK have an alliance with Poland?
@espeditolito
@espeditolito 5 жыл бұрын
Google Sucks Yes, Poland was part of the allies and so UK and France joined the war.
@Bellg
@Bellg 5 жыл бұрын
Because it was never reallly about saving Poland
@espeditolito
@espeditolito 5 жыл бұрын
Belg What? The entire war started because the nazis attacked Poland,which indipendence was guaranteed by France and UK, so they joined the war to protect Poland. But at the end of the war they let the Soviets take territories from Poland and put in power a communist dictatorship. This was the Allies' manner to say "Thanks" to the Poles that fought in Poland, France, Italy, Germany.
@mlgprussian7115
@mlgprussian7115 5 жыл бұрын
To save you 8 minutes, Britain promised the whole coast of the Adriatic to Italy
@mtlicq
@mtlicq 3 жыл бұрын
WTF with Britain giving that to Italy ?
@coconutgame7379
@coconutgame7379 3 жыл бұрын
@r marky go search Italian irredentism moron
@lucabralia5125
@lucabralia5125 3 жыл бұрын
@@mtlicq Italy, agreed to join the war, if Britain would give to Italy, Dalmatia, the city of il fiume, and trentino, they only gave trentino, so obviously the Italians were pretty mad that britain didn't respect the agreement, and that led to a rise of nationalism and fascism
@willotter4503
@willotter4503 3 жыл бұрын
How interesting was thus to read? Not at all. If you wanted to get the info as quickly as possible you’d look it up, not watch an animated video which took days to make.
@fuzzydunlop7928
@fuzzydunlop7928 6 жыл бұрын
Because these comments will invariably lead to WWII discussions I'd like to present a few things: 1) It's commonly said that Italy left the war wholesale in 1943 - this isn't true. How do armies of occupation in the Balkans just disappear? They didn't, they (and most of the Italian forces) were left with a very confused situation and a very tough choice. Fight for the Germany, surrender your arms and get force-marched Bataan-style into a POW camp in Germany (without a POW designation, making you right about slightly better than Soviet-level mistreatment, depending on how resentful your German guards happen to be), some had the option of doing localized forced-labor wherever they happen to be, and fight it out with your former-allies. The Acqui Division on Cephalonia chose the absolute latter, and though they fought well for about three days the Germans had air-support and reinforcements and the resulting massacre was one of the largest of the entire war, dwarfed only by Katyn and (likely, though I know of no singular instance which surpasses) the executions of Soviet prisoners. As many as 5,000 were killed outright, and just to add insult to injury nearly the rest of the division found itself on improperly-marked ships and promptly schwacked by Allied anti-shipping efforts. Others in the Balkans joined the Partisans, most became POWs and refused to fight for the Germans. Those Italian units that fought were mainly on the Italian peninsula and seeing the Germans as hostile occupiers they fought back, most of these being reconstituted into the "Italian Co-Belligerent Army" and from the Battle of San Pietro Infine onward (supposedly they did well enough to earn some trust with the Allies, idk much about that, though) fought with the Allies. On the other hand, Mussolini soon escaped captivity (more like plucked from captivity by Otto Skorzeny and his merry band of miscreants) and was put at the head of the "Italian Social Republic" - which was largely a German rump-state but it did have its own industry (which is how we end up with those sexy, but under-produced fighters towards the end of the war) and an armed component that (*supposedly*) numbered in the hundreds of thousands (find it dubious but there were a decent amount of the douchebags either way) including elements of the infamously cool "Decima Flotigglia MAS, which leads me to my next point. 2) "Italy changed sides" - this is basically true, but it's much more nuanced than can really be covered in such a short phrase. There was a coup, Mussolini gets a 'vote of no confidence' in the form of a polite imprisonment and King Victor Emmanuel and (Cadorna look-alike) Badoglio go running to the Allies (which they apparently had been meaning to do for a bit but just never got around to it). Mussolini is freed and now we have two opposing sides - one still very much in bed with Germany - and what's known as the "Italian Civil War" ensues. In between both sides we have a veritable smorgasbord of militias and partisans comprised of everything from Communists, returned exiles, and good-ole fashioned Catholic Democrats to hardcore blackshirts, Germanophiles, and people who just happen to be on the wrong side of the Gothic line, with the obligatory banditry in play as well. So, my point is that about half of Italy changed sides. 3) Concerning the righteous indignation felt by people concerning Italy changing sides - that's not just an 'Italy' kinda thing. Not a lot of people remember but a couple Axis 'allies' turned-coat. For one, Finland in the Lapland War - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapland_War Two - Good ole Romania - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_in_World_War_II#Campaign_against_the_Axis And since all good things come in threes (or fours or fives if you count Thailand or Spain - which didn't even bother to really pick a fucking side and just went with the whomever won) - there's one more Axis power with a perfidious diplomatic streak - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov-Ribbentrop_Pact - GERMANY. Germany changed sides, too. As it turns out, States will usually go with whichever option is most expedient for them - who knew!? It was a fucking weird time for international relations and this is reflected in the extreme bi-polarity of the allegiances of the time. This continued into the open stages of the Cold War. It was a really fucking weird time to be alive.
@danyksvanhelsing970
@danyksvanhelsing970 6 жыл бұрын
Finally a comment who isn't based on stereotipes or common misleading,good job
@fuzzydunlop7928
@fuzzydunlop7928 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, until it was in Finland's national interest to change sides - you're missing my point, my point is that it's NOT some unbelievable betrayal that should be condemned for all eternity. It was a strange time, it was a dire time, and people had to do what was best for themselves at the end of the day - be it on an individual level or at a National or international level. My point isn't saying "See, they were all just as bad as Italy! HA!" - that's not it at all, it's to give more context to the situation in order to help people remove the narrow blinders they otherwise wear, to highlight the terrifying absurdity of that time. That said, Germany obviously felt betrayed: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapland_War#/media/File:LapinSota.jpeg - but Germany was destroyed and dismembered after the war, Finland survived. There are no real winners in history, only survivors.
@reyxus9454
@reyxus9454 5 жыл бұрын
Blabla Rech wait, we oppress people who want their independence? Exactly who?????? Our empire at his largest only occupied 4 foreign nations, so not really much to oppress there
@marcodiscala2140
@marcodiscala2140 5 жыл бұрын
Blabla Rech just use the word "Germans" or "US citizens" instead of Italians, k? U stupid dumbfuck obese yank
@jonbaxter2254
@jonbaxter2254 6 жыл бұрын
What a well put together video. Subscribed!
@cobrascorpio4521
@cobrascorpio4521 6 жыл бұрын
You deserve more subscribers man love your videos
@NovaSoldier
@NovaSoldier 5 жыл бұрын
"why italy betrayed germany(ww1)?" the video hasnt even started and it has already mistakes
@jahavan8552
@jahavan8552 4 жыл бұрын
Why Italy betrayed the German empire, meaning the second reich
@KeyboardPussy
@KeyboardPussy 4 жыл бұрын
@@jahavan8552 Incorrect, read a book on WW1. There is your answer.
@trauko1388
@trauko1388 4 жыл бұрын
LOL!!! So funny the Italians trying to pretend they didnt stab their allies in the back...
@NovaSoldier
@NovaSoldier 4 жыл бұрын
@@trauko1388 dont need to pretend when it never happened
@trauko1388
@trauko1388 4 жыл бұрын
@@NovaSoldier Lol! Let me put it this way, they signed treaties with BOTH sides... they were going to screw SOMEONE no matter what. They simply waited until they thought the outcome was clear to jump in, but miscalculated.
@Alexander2471994
@Alexander2471994 5 жыл бұрын
"No guerra" is not italian. Maybe "Nessuna guerra" is better
@harrisonofcolorado8886
@harrisonofcolorado8886 4 жыл бұрын
"No Guerra" is Spanish.
@michelecastellotti9172
@michelecastellotti9172 4 жыл бұрын
No, "nessuna guerra" it's the correct one.
@peanutwars
@peanutwars 2 жыл бұрын
I’m just watching this now lol but I’ve been watching for awhile XD love your content so much there’s nothing like it I tell my friends all the time
@giorgiodifrancesco4590
@giorgiodifrancesco4590 3 жыл бұрын
We had 651.000 dead italian soldiers in the WWI and 589.000 civilian victims. A little bit of respect should be required. On the contrary, many comments are outrageous clichés
@phlm9038
@phlm9038 3 жыл бұрын
It sounds a little like "déjà vu" for me as we have the same problem with the "always surrender" or "cowards" comments. I don't know if you can read french but it can bring you some comfort to know that Dominique Lormier has written a book called : Les vérités cachées de la seconde guerre mondiale" (the hidden truth of the second world war), in which he sets the record straight, not only for France but also for Italy. One chapter is about "la bravoure méconnue des soldats Italiens" (the unrecongnized bravery of the Italian soldiers).
@giorgiodifrancesco4590
@giorgiodifrancesco4590 3 жыл бұрын
@@phlm9038 je ne parlais pas de la déuxième guerre mondiale, car l'Italie à ce temps là était une dictature. Le peuple ne décidait rien. Mais au temps de la prémière il y avait le suffrage universel et le peuple était en majorité anti-allemand. L'Autriche occupait encore une partie de l'Italie du Nord. Donc la guerre n'était pas vecue comme une trahison. Les allemands disaient que les italiens était l'anneau de conjunction entre l'homme et le singe.
@phlm9038
@phlm9038 3 жыл бұрын
@@giorgiodifrancesco4590 J'avais lu WWII, je devrais certainement changer mes verres de lunettes. Mais ils se disent aussi des choses désagréables sur la deuxième guerre mondiale.
@giorgiodifrancesco4590
@giorgiodifrancesco4590 3 жыл бұрын
@@phlm9038 Mais ça c'est normal, quand on pert. C'est la vie. De toute façon c'est mieux que la dictature aille terminée.
@phlm9038
@phlm9038 3 жыл бұрын
@@giorgiodifrancesco4590 Oui, c'est vrai, mais beaucoup trop d'insultes non justifiées, par des gens qui n'y connaissent rien.
@VittRomani
@VittRomani 3 жыл бұрын
Only one word for those who say: "hahah Italy betrayed hahaha": STUDY.
@timon8347
@timon8347 3 жыл бұрын
Only one word for you: MEMES
@VittRomani
@VittRomani 3 жыл бұрын
@@timon8347 2 words: ignorant memes
@timon8347
@timon8347 3 жыл бұрын
@@VittRomani tbh I am pretty interested in european history so I know that Italy didnt "betrayed" Germany but its pretty funny cause its a meme like the French with their Baguettes and white Flags (wich is also a big meme)
@VittRomani
@VittRomani 3 жыл бұрын
@@timon8347 and to me it's pretty funny to define ignorant those who make and like those memes
@timon8347
@timon8347 3 жыл бұрын
@@VittRomani and I am not ignorant but I still like these memes lol
@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 4 жыл бұрын
This was quite the informative video. Had no idea Italy had other reasons besides territorial ambitions that led it to side with the Allies in WWI. Nice job guy.
@georgewilliams8448
@georgewilliams8448 2 жыл бұрын
A very good video covering an area rarely covered.
@rayanhey2411
@rayanhey2411 6 жыл бұрын
Giovani was in some sort right I mean Libya have a lot of oil and water in the ground but for 1911 this land was shit and Italy will have to wait for at least 40 or 50 years for Libya to be profitable
@BUYSICKLE
@BUYSICKLE 6 жыл бұрын
gavi deem it wont but is really expensive..Back at the days oil wasn't used bcs nobody used oil for anything.Now it is worth
@matikhorasani3842
@matikhorasani3842 6 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention that Italy also had to fight against the Libyans for some two decades.
@freedomordeath89
@freedomordeath89 5 жыл бұрын
Oil in libia wasnt found untill later. Also its not "alot" and it costs a ton to extract. The "libia has oiL" meme is born in 2011 because people think that Ghaddafi was toppled by an "evil US conspiracy for oiL" because you dont understand geo-politics and think that EVERYTHING ahs to do with oil ;-)
@vasilije94
@vasilije94 5 жыл бұрын
Johnny except that Libya did have oil and that US did attack it for that very reason. The fact that Ghadafi didn't wanted to sell oil for american dollar, same as iraq and some other countries was enough reason. And the reason why he didn't wan't to sell it for american dollar is because US prints more money then it has backed up in gold, thus dollar losing value. If you think Libya oil is just a meme that came in 2011, you need to learn some history. I mean basic school history books can teach you a bit about Libya in 20th century.
@freedomordeath89
@freedomordeath89 3 жыл бұрын
@Ahmad Omar they didnt know in the 1940s. It was found later.
@getmeoutofsanfrancisco9917
@getmeoutofsanfrancisco9917 4 жыл бұрын
The “Treaty of Ouchie” has got to be the best thing I have ever heard
@SkelNeldory
@SkelNeldory 5 жыл бұрын
2:41 "Only guarded by a poultry force." Very interesting.
@Jordan-cs6bn
@Jordan-cs6bn 6 жыл бұрын
These videos are so well made and I absolutely love them!
@onlinecommentator2616
@onlinecommentator2616 6 жыл бұрын
"Well made"
@Jordan-cs6bn
@Jordan-cs6bn 6 жыл бұрын
Galaxy yes that is what I said
@onlinecommentator2616
@onlinecommentator2616 6 жыл бұрын
It is wrong though. The maps are wrong, the title is wrong and he didn't even explain why we quote on quote "betrayed" the "germans" (it was the Austro-Hungarians anyways. All krauts tho)
@Jordan-cs6bn
@Jordan-cs6bn 6 жыл бұрын
Galaxy “we” oh so I’m guessing your italian hmmmm....as an Italian myself I can’t say that I see anything wrong with this video but that’s my opinion
@giorgiodifrancesco4590
@giorgiodifrancesco4590 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jordan-cs6bn An italian with a catalan name. Jajajajajajajajajajajaja
@neutronalchemist3241
@neutronalchemist3241 6 жыл бұрын
So, for mistakes, let's start with the title. First of all: "betrayed" implies a moral judgment that, in this case is completely out of place. Austria-Hungary broke the Treaty of the Triple Alliance by unilaterally attacking Serbia (see art. 7 of the treaty, it was allowed only by mutual accord), so Italy and Austria were no more allies since 28/07/1914. It remained the question of the compensations (See Art. 7 again. Even the German mediators considered the position of Austria-Hungary unreasonable on that point) and, over that, war was declared to Austria-Hungary on 23/05/1915. Second: why "German Empire"? I know that Germany is more famous, so better suited for a title, but the question here was between Italy and Austria-Hungary, not the German Empire. The German Empire at that point was only someone that decided to back up Austria-Hungary, and unilaterally declared war on France and Belgium in the weird belief that it would have made a war with Russia easier to win. There was no part in the Triple Alliance stating that the others had to follow it in such a folly. However, ITALY DID NOT DECLARE WAR TO GERMANY, it did only in August 1916, after Germany put Italy under economic sanctions and German soldiers began to show up on the Italian front. So the real question is: why you wrote a title stating something that didn''t even happen? As for the content: the main part of the video is dedicated to a not-so-related Italo-Turkish war of 1911-1912, nothing to the real content of the Triple Alliance Treaty, and almost nothing on the negotiations of 1915 (see for example the mission of Von Bulow)?
@onlinecommentator2616
@onlinecommentator2616 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent comment. We didn't betray shit, and wanted our lands back. Honor to my countrymen who shed blood to have their rightful lands back!
@torismund2100
@torismund2100 5 жыл бұрын
Dude, stick to italian history. All you said about the german empire was bullshit
@heavenbright2342
@heavenbright2342 5 жыл бұрын
Italy is known for loyalty. In fact, the blue colour on their flag stands for loyalty.
@harrys.3165
@harrys.3165 3 жыл бұрын
Loyalty? Somebody should have told Italy to be loyal in ww2 !!!!!
@Belgianmapping1830
@Belgianmapping1830 3 жыл бұрын
@@harrys.3165 ah yes it’s definitely not like Italy had a civil war
@Belgianmapping1830
@Belgianmapping1830 3 жыл бұрын
@@harrys.3165 hey read a book please
@harrys.3165
@harrys.3165 3 жыл бұрын
Italy is known for backstabbing it's allies .The Greeks laughed at Italian soldiers who used all 12 reverse gears in THIER italian army tanks retreating from the greeks.
@Belgianmapping1830
@Belgianmapping1830 3 жыл бұрын
@@harrys.3165 in 1943 Italy pulled out of ww2 in 1945 Italy finished fighting itself and Greece is known for winning even though its outnumbered and Greek mountains really slowed the Italians down and Italy’s godawful generals were also a problem and Italy didn’t retreat it fought when Italy surrendered in el alemain it was when it was when Italy didn’t have water food and equipment
@abbahshdbcj
@abbahshdbcj 6 жыл бұрын
I have a suggestion : could you please make a video about why Romania switched sides in World War One? Keeping in mind the fact that the country was part of the Triple Alliance between 1883 and 1914 (initially Germany, Austria-Hungary and Russia, later also Italy and Romania) under which the Central Powers operated during World War I (WWI), but it changed sides in 1916 and became a member of the Entente.
@TheShadowwarrior80
@TheShadowwarrior80 5 жыл бұрын
I love how everyone thinks that the Italians are incompetent at warfare. In truth, the Italian soldiers suffered from a very incompetent command staff and obsolete equipment. General Edwin Rommel would stated in his reoprts that the Italian soldier was the equal to the german soldier if they were given proper leadership and equipment.
@alboboni5478
@alboboni5478 4 жыл бұрын
Perché voi stranieri pensate che sia un tradimento? Alla fine nella triplice alleanza noi italiani eravamo vincolati più come stato allineato per un patto difensivo che per una vera e propria alleanza. Un altro punto: questa alleanza si basava sulla CONVENIENZA: all'italia per legittimarsi in Europa e non rimanere isolata, alla Germania sempre per legittimarsi quanto per rafforzare una posizione di equilibrio, all'Austria per difendersi da eventuali mire russe.
@alboboni5478
@alboboni5478 4 жыл бұрын
Un'altra cosa: avete completamente dimenticato un aspetto ideologico fondamentale, il Risorgimento. L'Italia venne fatta perché gli italiani furono riuniti da un forte disprezzo per l'Austria. Quindi voi non considerate neanche in minima parte i discorsi che intellettuali come D'Annunzio facevano per entrare in guerra contro l'Austria. Non è un caso che secondo gli storici questa guerra può essere considerata una sorta di quarta guerra d'Indipendenza.
@thecommentaryking
@thecommentaryking 4 жыл бұрын
@@alboboni5478 Anche se glielo spieghi così bene, non capiranno mai. Certa gente non riesce a afferrare la realtà dei fatti
@alboboni5478
@alboboni5478 4 жыл бұрын
@@thecommentaryking oltre a quello anche la complessità di certi concetti che purtroppo sono molto tipici del nostro Paese. Per carità comprendo che la storia che studiamo in Italia è molto focalizzata su di noi, ma un fenomeno così celebre come il Risorgimento è difficile da escludere...
@---qo3yz
@---qo3yz 3 жыл бұрын
Don't exist other nations, the world is one nation: Italian civilization. Period. Alphabet and Roman law are the world. We are the world.
@AHersheyHere
@AHersheyHere 5 жыл бұрын
I can understand Italian having claim on the Adriatic strait but, they did realize they were asking for the entirety of the Austrian's coastline? A video on the Italian-Austrian front during WWI would be really interesting, several million men crammed on the side of mountains, using avalanches against one another.
@fredfudge8289
@fredfudge8289 6 жыл бұрын
i seem to recall you saying the next video was the south african part 2. come to think of it i cant find your videos on the luger or italian unification either
@rampage241
@rampage241 6 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@Nimish204
@Nimish204 6 жыл бұрын
Actually, Serbia did have a hand in the assassination of archduke Franz Ferdinand. This makes the entente the aggressor.
@noone3272
@noone3272 3 жыл бұрын
Serbia, Belgium...the two most annoying nations of Europe 😄😄
@jackops1244
@jackops1244 6 жыл бұрын
Armchair Historian, I'm thinking about making a history channel of my own because channels like yours are inspiring, I have a personal interest in history and I'm doing history in my GCSE's. Would you recommend it?
@TheArmchairHistorian
@TheArmchairHistorian 6 жыл бұрын
If you've got the time and dedication! Griff
@lush.hayden
@lush.hayden 6 жыл бұрын
JackOps Very relatable! I’d love to do my own however u do not have the time or animations skills, however if you do go ahead!
@Aimia4
@Aimia4 5 жыл бұрын
Go for it! If nothing else, you'll learn a lot from it, from interaction with commenters, doing your own research, etc. If you do start making videos, pop the name of the channel here and I'll give it a watch!
@trollingnostalgia3680
@trollingnostalgia3680 2 жыл бұрын
3:16 Funny that there's Alberto Sordi's iconic photo, when in the '60s he was co-protagonist among Vittorio Gassman in the huge film "La Grande Guerra" (The Great War), a very good dramatic comedy that got a lot of rewards and was popular in other European countries too. It was cricitized at the time becuase it put WW1 in a bad light (rightfully so).
@communismwithgiggles2515
@communismwithgiggles2515 5 жыл бұрын
They ran out of marinara sauce to drown the enemies in.
@harrisonofcolorado8886
@harrisonofcolorado8886 5 жыл бұрын
And they ran out of meatballs to fire at the enemy.
@TomtheWonderDog
@TomtheWonderDog 6 жыл бұрын
"The House of Savoy has never finished a war on the same side it started on - unless the war lasted long enough to change sides twice.” - A Free French Newspaper in WW2
@AR-pm6mx
@AR-pm6mx 6 жыл бұрын
Tom theWonderDog War propaganda, what a reliable source...
@federicofossarello4685
@federicofossarello4685 6 жыл бұрын
Tom theWonderDog Napoleonic wars : They were against France from the beginning until 1815 , Wars of Indipendence ( Risorgimento ) , they were with France in the second and Germany in the third , always against Austria , WW1 : They entered with the Entente , they won with the Entente.
@rak2495
@rak2495 5 жыл бұрын
Passi la seconda guerra mondiale (ma in realtà neanche quella, solo che sarebbe troppo difficile da spiegare e pure da capire per uno straniero) ma durante la prima guerra mondiale l’Italia entro in guerra con degli alleati e con quelli restò (alleati che poi tradirono l’Italia non cedendogli i territori promessi), la tripla alleanza era un patto difensivo che venne a meno quando l’impero austro-ungarico dichiarò per primo Guerra.
@rak2495
@rak2495 5 жыл бұрын
Comunque fa ridere detto da una nazione che se non era per Americani e Inglesi sarebbe ancora Germania adesso
@ConorMcgregor322
@ConorMcgregor322 5 жыл бұрын
Savoy is in France lol
@cas3571
@cas3571 6 жыл бұрын
1:05 While it is true that Italy was lead by Victor Emmanuel III. during this time, you made a mistake in depicting his Father Victor Emmanuel II. The graphic is just wrong. (maybe you could correct that) It's a really informative video otherwise. Good job.
@valepomponio
@valepomponio 4 жыл бұрын
His father was Umberto I, Vittorio Emanuele II was his grandfather
@Texian_1836
@Texian_1836 6 жыл бұрын
You should really make a video covering the Texas Revolution and period following it. It's a very complicated part of our past and has lasting impact that's felt even today in 2018
@royharel2147
@royharel2147 6 жыл бұрын
In the beginning, you said italy was ruled by Victor Emmanuel III in 1870, but the king at the time was the similarly named, Victor Emmanuel II. i just wanted to respectfully point that out. Great video either way!
@markusdead96
@markusdead96 2 жыл бұрын
Ok Roy, halt die fresse
@ioncerga7451
@ioncerga7451 6 жыл бұрын
Apart from getting Libya, Italy was also given the Dodecanese- some small islands of the Anatolian coast.
@oberpfalzer3074
@oberpfalzer3074 6 жыл бұрын
that was already in the Italo-Ottoman War of 1912
@Bolognabeef
@Bolognabeef 5 жыл бұрын
Italy already conquered those lands...
@v.m3061
@v.m3061 6 жыл бұрын
Quanto odio gli stranieri che dicono che siamo traditori
@enemyv1380
@enemyv1380 6 жыл бұрын
Epir Ogni paese fa studiare la storia dal suo punto di vista. Così come noi studiamo la guerra dal nostro punto di vista (e quindi riconosciamo che ci abbiamo perso anche noi, in guerra, e non siamo stati inutili coglioni come dicono all'estero), loro la studiano dal loro e, probabilmente, vengono a conoscenza di cose che noi non studiamo.
@enemyv1380
@enemyv1380 6 жыл бұрын
Ma è anche vero che in guerra non siamo stati eroi o simili, eh. Per niente. Solo che la gente non capisce che la colpa non è DEGLI italiani, ma di chi li guidava.
@v.m3061
@v.m3061 6 жыл бұрын
Enemy V Però anche noi ne abbiamo avuti di soldati coraggiosi gli arditi, gli eroi del piave, gli alpini, i mas. È anche vero che gli alti ranghi erano un branco di ritardati
@enemyv1380
@enemyv1380 6 жыл бұрын
Epir That's true. Ma è stato così ovunque: c'erano i coraggiosi in Italia, in Germania, in Francia e così via e i ritardati allo stesso modo.
@marzialuiso7301
@marzialuiso7301 6 жыл бұрын
Ma veramente sempre lì a dire "oh your army sucks" "couldn't even beat Ethiopia", rompono le palle
@joedpettit1691
@joedpettit1691 6 жыл бұрын
These History videos make me wish I paid more attention in school ngl
@AlexTenThousand
@AlexTenThousand 5 жыл бұрын
There was also the issue of Italy arguably depending on France and the United Kingdom for food and electricity, as it lacked the extent of farmland and coal the two powers had, and they wouldn't be too kind to Italy had they joined the Triple Alliance in war.
@herrhiterminator8149
@herrhiterminator8149 3 жыл бұрын
summary: because they are italian
@josephdalelio6684
@josephdalelio6684 3 жыл бұрын
Summary because you are an a**hole.
@imperialism7780
@imperialism7780 6 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure Armchair History advertised his channel on ROBLOX a couple years ago
@BenAHowell754
@BenAHowell754 6 жыл бұрын
Love the music at the end.
@johnsmithold7671
@johnsmithold7671 6 жыл бұрын
Do you know how it is called?
@melvinjansen2338
@melvinjansen2338 4 жыл бұрын
Was that the crimson skies theme song mixed in there?
@SayedI313
@SayedI313 5 жыл бұрын
"Ha ha, you fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous of which is 'never get involved in a land war in Asia,' but only slightly less well-known is this: Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line." Vizzini the Great Italian
@jacekstasiak932
@jacekstasiak932 3 жыл бұрын
Still Italy was disappointment in result of I WW. The territory they gain was not consider worthy hundreds of thousand loses (650 000 dead, 1 000 000 wounded). Italy expected to gain entire Tyrol and Adriatic Coast, but it didn't happen. It led to discontent and sense of betrayal which ultimately led to rise of Fascist movement.
@stefanobonato
@stefanobonato 5 жыл бұрын
I like the title, procative as title are allowed to be, and with ' ' around betray to clarify that the author does not think there was betrayal, as can be understood by the description of the terms of the triple alliance and the negotiations with the Allies...can be understood, not everybody can
@macmatheson3466
@macmatheson3466 Жыл бұрын
Where do you get your information? Wikipedia?
@akirapunk4883
@akirapunk4883 5 жыл бұрын
This fact of the """"betrayal""" it's unaccurate. at the end of WW1 Italy didn't received the promised territories, and in WW2 Italy ended up the war in 1943, No army has been led against germany, because the king and the prime minister run away from the country. The partisans try to fight the nazi-fascists in the territory. so I don't really understand why there's this wrong conception about it. I've enjoyed the channel though
@michelecastellotti9172
@michelecastellotti9172 4 жыл бұрын
Oh it's just a meme that nobody knows where it started. Also, italy never completely """"""""betrayed""""""" germany nor the austrians, actually, many regions stood loyal in both wars, so its a really inaccurate one
@riccardoflorio2800
@riccardoflorio2800 3 жыл бұрын
Guarda che sta parlando della prima guerra mondiale
@michelecastellotti9172
@michelecastellotti9172 3 жыл бұрын
@@riccardoflorio2800 parla anche della seconda
@riccardoflorio2800
@riccardoflorio2800 3 жыл бұрын
@@michelecastellotti9172 a me è sembrato che ha parlato in maniera abbastanza superficiale della questione di interventisti e neutralisti, accennando alla sconfitta di Adua e alla guerra in Libia
@michelecastellotti9172
@michelecastellotti9172 3 жыл бұрын
@@riccardoflorio2800 su questo hai ragione
@vallergergo737
@vallergergo737 6 жыл бұрын
6:56 "and found itself in a much more stable condition" Not really :/ Mussolini was able to make his march exactly because: 1. Italy did not gain half the territory promised 2. They lost too many man 3. The economy and especially agriculture was in a dire position.
@leninbilalexander6754
@leninbilalexander6754 3 жыл бұрын
And it was hard for returning soldiers to find jobs, leading to many joining either the far- right or far- left.
@LautaroArgentino
@LautaroArgentino 3 жыл бұрын
El rey podria haber evitado el ascenso de Musolini, pero en vez de eso lo puso a cargo de Italia. Lamentable.
@tobiasblaschke1010
@tobiasblaschke1010 3 жыл бұрын
And finally: Italy deserved to be cheated by England. They played a dirty game against Austria and Germany. Karma is a bitch!
@hipwave
@hipwave 6 жыл бұрын
1:05 the figure you show looks like Vittorio Emanuele II , not third. His granddad
@hmhmoinsdk
@hmhmoinsdk 6 жыл бұрын
Your maps of Italy in the start are off: you show it with the Latium (aquired in 1870) but without Venetien (aquired in 1866). in addition the central powers werent really supportive of the war for lybia.
@pitzboechannel
@pitzboechannel 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I would watch the video but the comments make it really look like this video underestimate and bypass the rightfully Italian territories that Italians never actually got. I don’t want to suffer anymore by hearing someone neglect the mutilated victory inflicted to Italy
@pitzboechannel
@pitzboechannel 3 жыл бұрын
Nvm I’m gonna watch it I’m curious
@pitzboechannel
@pitzboechannel 3 жыл бұрын
Nvm again, it was a good video
@stefpix
@stefpix 5 жыл бұрын
Why did the ARMCHAIR HISTORIAN 'betray' historical ACCURACY? too many inaccuracies and mistakes, this video should be corrected and amended.
@user-mj2jm7yl9x
@user-mj2jm7yl9x 5 жыл бұрын
What are the mistakes
@KeyboardPussy
@KeyboardPussy 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-mj2jm7yl9x Mistakes? Do your own research, read a book. Stooge!
@user-mj2jm7yl9x
@user-mj2jm7yl9x 4 жыл бұрын
@@KeyboardPussy I am asking Stefano what the mistakes are in the video, think before you speak.
@KeyboardPussy
@KeyboardPussy 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-mj2jm7yl9x Think before I 'text'. I did think before I spoke, don't attempt self-aggrandisement you will fail.
@KeyboardPussy
@KeyboardPussy 4 жыл бұрын
@Alexander Challis What's the problem? Are you completely aware of the time and resources it takes to access archives in a 'government or state library?' Does everybody have time like yourself to sift through archives in research for a specific event? It's why authors are paid to write for a masters research or Phd, right? Read a book, it's what I expressed.
@TheLaziiness
@TheLaziiness 6 жыл бұрын
Yo my dude you really whistle most every word that has an S at the end (years, forces, casualties etc.)It honestly be fuckin with me lol. Good video tho
@dv28l74
@dv28l74 6 жыл бұрын
What.program do you.use to animate?
@TheRantolo5
@TheRantolo5 6 жыл бұрын
Well, part of the Triple Alliance pact implied that Austria Hungary was obliged to seek for an italian approval in case she planned to attack in the balkans, which they didn't, thus violating the treaty. That's why Italy could walk out the Triple Alliance without consequences. Obviously the cautiousness and the search for other secret alliances with the entente is correct
@lillyie
@lillyie 3 жыл бұрын
>Betray germany for the allies >the allies betrayed italy by not giving italy the promised lands Congratulations, you played yourself
@magnumopus1628
@magnumopus1628 2 жыл бұрын
""Betray"". And Italy did get Trentino Alto Adige and Trieste.
@12hairyjohn
@12hairyjohn 5 жыл бұрын
An excellent, but long book is Albertini's, "The Origins of the Wr of 1914." '
@neojso
@neojso 4 жыл бұрын
Bad ally - incompetent Worst ally - betrayal
@anibalabanyan1911
@anibalabanyan1911 5 жыл бұрын
Treaty of Ouchie in a nutshell It hurt Everyone :(
@spicy9840
@spicy9840 6 жыл бұрын
Ask Arminius
@larsonpartisan2855
@larsonpartisan2855 5 жыл бұрын
He was loyal to HIS people. So technically he was loyal. He would have been a betrayer if he would have let the Romans conquer HIS homeland.
@titfortat5727
@titfortat5727 5 жыл бұрын
@@larsonpartisan2855 he was raised by romans, he late found his germanic pride.
@generalripper7528
@generalripper7528 5 жыл бұрын
@@titfortat5727 Had he not been raised by the Roman military, he would not have been able to defeat the Romans in the Teutoburg Forest.
@titfortat5727
@titfortat5727 5 жыл бұрын
@@generalripper7528 what?
@VittRomani
@VittRomani 5 жыл бұрын
@@larsonpartisan2855 he was a traitor, he didn't honor his word.
@greyrose8553
@greyrose8553 5 жыл бұрын
Please correct me if I am wrong but wasn't one of the other issues leading to Italian extremism is the fact that the allies promised that at the end of the war Italy would control much of what once was Yugoslavia as well as some of the south western parts of turkey?
@honkeykong4049
@honkeykong4049 6 жыл бұрын
What comes next? About 6,000 battles for the Isonzo.
@nuovoprofilo1358
@nuovoprofilo1358 5 жыл бұрын
Veneto and venetia were already italian in 1900
@marcogaene3393
@marcogaene3393 5 жыл бұрын
Do not write the truth, you only want visualizations creating controversy. Historical amateurs or the written history of winners?
@dams6829
@dams6829 6 жыл бұрын
Whow I was just watching your videos and then saw this.
@skeeyee5477
@skeeyee5477 5 жыл бұрын
You're missing some territory on the upper right part of italy at certain points in the video
@ciaotiziocaius4899
@ciaotiziocaius4899 6 жыл бұрын
VIVA L' ITALIA!
@rosrebel
@rosrebel 3 жыл бұрын
Well because Italy is generally not to be taken seriously when it came modern warfare ....inefficient and generally poor soldiering ....and rubbish generals ....it’s displays in ww1 and ww2 was generally pathetic .
@NoName-hg6cc
@NoName-hg6cc 2 жыл бұрын
Except Italy did very well while English and USA were very poor
@harrisonofcolorado8886
@harrisonofcolorado8886 4 жыл бұрын
Italy: Loses men in the 100,000s area to gain a little bit of land from Austria Hungary. King Victor Emmanuel III: That's a number I can live with.
@thecommentaryking
@thecommentaryking 4 жыл бұрын
Because Britain, France, Belgium, Russia got "significant" land in spite loosing more man than Italy...
@nicoleleah9734
@nicoleleah9734 5 жыл бұрын
3:40 wow Kirov Reporting!
@stobrecanin
@stobrecanin 3 жыл бұрын
04:50 italian territories?
@tobyblack9535
@tobyblack9535 6 жыл бұрын
I mean, the title is a bit misleading. For Italy to have betrayed Germany, they would have had to break a treaty which obligated them to joint Germany's side, which they never signed. They did sign a defence pace, but emphasis on the defence. It said that Italy would be called to arms and fight alongside Germany if they were attacked by a foreign power. However, that never happened. Austria started the war in an attempt to enforce dominance on Serbia after the assassination of the archduke. Serbia offered to fulfil multiple demands from the Austrians and even agreed for an international deliberation to establish future actions, but Austria invaded anyway. This turned what was a defence of Austrian sovereignty to an invasion of Serbia. Because of this, Germany was on the side of the aggressors, and therefore Italy had no legal obligation to join Germany on their side. It's for this reason why both sides negotiated with Italy, because not only were they border members of both sides, but they had the legal ability to pick whichever side they wanted to join
@Pedrosa2541
@Pedrosa2541 6 жыл бұрын
What you're saying is just post-war technicallities made to justify a politic treason, and even if you consider this right, the treaty itself binded the signers to keep at least a "friendly neutrality" in case of war, not join the adversary because of promises of foreign land.
@Userext47
@Userext47 6 жыл бұрын
it's not misleading. Siging a defence pact mean you won't attack that same pact. Aggression of austria doesn't mean italy had green light to betray the pact.
@tobyblack9535
@tobyblack9535 6 жыл бұрын
Netsaurus it was hardly a technicality. If a nation agrees to join another if they are invaded, that grants no guarantee to join the others side if they are the aggressor. If Belgium had invaded the Netherlands before WW1, would Britain be betraying Belgium by not joining their side?
@datfisheboi6519
@datfisheboi6519 6 жыл бұрын
Toby Black They would if they then attacked Belgium not to protect the Netherlands, but to gain land.
@dodes2698
@dodes2698 6 жыл бұрын
I think it largely comes down to a case of the victors writing the history, if the central powers had won it would be considered by most to be a blatant betrayal, but as the entente won it is considered by most to be 'technically not' a betrayal.
@jopaljopal4256
@jopaljopal4256 3 жыл бұрын
Italy: So do you want to sign a peace treaty? Ottoman Empire: Ouchy :(
@ygma1460
@ygma1460 4 жыл бұрын
One minor thing about Italy choosing the Entente side on the war, Italy was reliant on English food imports and if she had gone to war against England, the ability to eat in the country would have been very much challenged in a very short time.
@karlpj1
@karlpj1 6 жыл бұрын
Why you not include the veneto region of Italy in the pre WW1 map? They expanded a bit after WW1 but veneto was certainly part of Italy before the war.
@zyopera
@zyopera 5 жыл бұрын
You need to break a pact or a deal in order to betray, Italy had only a merely DEFENSIVE pact with the central powers, if they would have been attacked Italy would have join them in a defensive war, but Italy had no pact for an offensive war and since Austria started an offensive war Italy was not forced to join and was also not forced to not attack the central powers, there was no treatys in that sense. Italy betrayed no one, she was just not forced to join any side or to attack so she just choose the most convenient side without violating any deal, also don't be hypocrite, every country would have done the same in that position, every alliance was praying Italy to join their side, Italy wasn't forced to join any side so she just did the best for her.
@HibikiKano
@HibikiKano 5 жыл бұрын
Trst(Trieste) was the largest port in the adriatic at the time, so it was a desirable city. Also they actually lost ground by the end of the war, but were still given the territories as per the London agreement.
@NoName-hg6cc
@NoName-hg6cc 2 жыл бұрын
Trieste it's its name. Trieste, Isonzo and Istria with its cities, like Capod'Istria, Pola, Fiume etc..
@PurpleAmharicCoffee
@PurpleAmharicCoffee 5 жыл бұрын
2:07 Hello purple, my old friend.
@freedomordeath89
@freedomordeath89 6 жыл бұрын
They really didn't "betray" anyone. Italy was deeply divided, it was not and never was as nationalistic as northern countries. people in Italy had different ideas and not all supported the war. It was easy for the Allies to find anti-war supporters both in the Socialist party and in the conservative party but EVEN in the Fascist party. You guys start from the erroneous assumption that Mussolini was as powerfull as Hitler. He was not, Fascism didn't rely only on the Dux, there were many politicians who shared the power and took part in decisions. Plus there were the old monarch and his supporters that were still important. Instead in Germany after Hindenburg's death, Hitler was the only one left. Plus the Italians never really liked the Germans, expecially after WW1.
@getmeoutofsanfrancisco9917
@getmeoutofsanfrancisco9917 4 жыл бұрын
Mario Rossi tldr; Italy was in a national schism and was divided internally.
@clifftrainor6774
@clifftrainor6774 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. European history doesn't cover Italy enough compared to the histories of nations like England and France.
@LorenzoCanon91
@LorenzoCanon91 6 жыл бұрын
ARGH!!! WHERE IS VENETO AT THE BEGINNING?!
@piyushthakur4921
@piyushthakur4921 5 жыл бұрын
the music volume sometimes goes higher than your dialogue.
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