Why Did NO ONE Want TBC Era Servers?

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With us now well progressed into Wrath of the Lich King Classic, it got me thinking... why was TBC so suddenly left behind when it was all over?
Vanilla got era servers as we moved over to TBC Classic, but the 2nd instalment of the Classic trilogy appears to have been quickly forgotten.
Why was it that that TBC Classic didn't have enough interest for Era servers? Let's talk about it
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[@WillEmmo]

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[@Mcg0rk]

TBC was my favorite expansion and a core part of my childhood. I stop playing wow after TBC classic ended and would start playing again if there was a TBC server.

[@antonyr21luster21]

I pray for that day again :(

[@Prophacyx]

Me 2

[@brandonmcc94]

Same

[@ahsiaoajdndb]

Play private servers dude

[@benny7555]

I absolutely wish they'd done a tbc era server. I think it's ridiculous they didn't do at least one. It might not be the most popular one, but it's the version of the game I'd go back to every time. Big shame they didn't do this.

[@benny7555]

Update after finishing the video: part of the charm of a tbc era server would actually be the final arena season always existing. Every time you go to retail or even wotlk with different seasons, everything is changing and that isn't always the best. The idea of 'i want to go back to a time when I knew arena' and going back to perma season 4 tbc that you know is fine. And the meta ALWAYS changes. Even with no actual changes in the game, people always figure out a way to make their class or something handle whatever the current dominant meta is, in any game. I get the pve content may not always be fun, but classic era pve is popping off even with doing naxx for the 50th time. It could probably do with some tweaks, but the atmosphere and 'inbetweeness' of tbc is the reason I prefer it! Wotlk feels too retaily with running the same raid on 10/25, very 'systems' based with how you acquire gear, every spec has some massive cool ability (I can see the appeal of course) and can compete in a certain way, but vanilla had the total opposite. Tbc is nicely in the middle. My ideal thing would be classic+ with tbc changes and some of the azeroth zones/raids added, but in absence of that, tbc is just the version I prefer. You at least go back to kalimdor/ek in tbc for raids. It's a shame.

[@benny7555]

Finally - even when classic was announced, really I was just hoping they'd do tbc classic. I thought maybe I would fall out of love with it and my nostalgia would be ruined after I got bored at the end of classic, but it came back strong for tbc and lasted the whole way. I didn't want it to end and now it has and there's no era is sad. It was the version I was waiting for it and it came and went. Maybe it's for the better, another good memory with nostalgia.

[@tortilla3418]

i agree, i think it makes sense to have a few servers for tbc era stuff; i really doubt having as many servers as classic era now wotlk is out would be a good idea but for the bunch of people who eventually want to gear up some level 70 toons in kara or something would greatly enjoy that opportunity

[@SladeWilsonWoW]

100% this. Would love tbc era server

[@humblehomunculus2722]

​@@benny7555classic survived as ERA sever due to the world being significantly larger than TBC expansion. While I agree a classic + with some of the features of TBC like Arenas would be great, but flying mounts completely ruin the "world" part of world of warcraft, and ruined world PvP.

[@dremora2232]

Tbc still has enough of the vanilla feel for me. I'd play a tbc era server just to play spriest again, had a good time leveling and raiding.

[@nightcult1741]

As a Spriest main in Wrath, I'd 100% love to try and main it in TBC to see how it played.

[@Gbb93]

Literally the worst class and spec in tbc? Ew

[@Gbb93]

​@@nightcult1741 it wasn't fun imo. None of your abilities besides mind blast could crit. However you provided far more healing via VE than you do in wrath. It was 10% of your dmg and if you specced into imp it was 15%

[@Darkfirex34]

I genuinely hope we get a Vanilla->TBC->Wrath rotation server in the future. Each of the 3 scratches a different itch for me and I could probably keep playing them forever.

[@realmrbzerk]

i agree, give us a rotational server that just restarts every time we finish. throw our maxed out chars onto a perminant era server and repeat :P

[@user-vy8fr1ss8u]

what ar u even on about classic clown

[@navuj6282]

Agree 100%

[@caysoft9823]

+++

[@VA_QUALITY]

Love this idea

[@mistahanansi2264]

I def enjoy TBC, I understand if most classic players don't find it as enjoyable as Vanilla or Wrath, but TBC was when I had the most fun back in the day. Might even say it's almost like my own personal Vanilla.

[@thiskneegrow]

TBC was fun with the patches. Final patch TBC was pretty boring and linear. During true TBC, each patch changed up the classes and made some OP and others bad. It was fun. Classic TBC had no such thing and was a raid log experience with bland raiding and p2w pvp.

[@toooes]

Weirdo

[@ziudra91]

You had the most fun become you were at school and prime age for gaming. It wasn't the game. The fact that vanilla and wrath is so much more popular proves it.

[@Dom-si1mn]

@@ziudra91 I played vanilla and tbc back in the day. I didn't play wow classic but came back for tbc classic and played the whole way through. I tried wrath classic but got bored and quit. TBC was my favorite back in the day and still is to this day. Hate when people make blanket statements about things. Just because one thing is true for you and others doesn't mean it is for everyone.

[@ziudra91]

@@Dom-si1mn You prob were alot younger during vanilla. That makes a massive difference.

[@kfiercescene]

I just wanted tbc to be longer even after replaying it, it's still my fave xpack

[@Scarletpimpanel73]

I feel like a lot of the community just saw TBC as a bridge to WoTLK - the WOTLK waiting room - right from the moment it was announced. And this in turn really screwed over those who loved TBC. P1 was dragged out a bit but then the rest of it was raced through.

[@DrKreiger]

Tbc was always my favorite. And now that I'm into the hardcore challenge, I would love a tbc server to do it on.

[@jacovanderschaaf3044]

Same here. Im not realy into the vinking mythology. I was fan of vanilla and i am a fan of sci-fi. Tbc was my hidden gem

[@lyricahm3370]

Play the Stormforge TBC private server then coming out on March 25th

[@DRourk]

Hardcore in TBC is easymode compared to Classic unfortunately. Blizz used patch 2.3 for TBC, and 2.3 had many many many nerfs to Azeroth content. Ideally we could level to 60 in Classic and then transfer to a TBC server.... or even better they could release TBC with patch 2.0 or 2.1 as the base patch (those were the hardest patches for both TBC and Classic content).

[@dubious6718]

@@DRourk and this is why I stopped after Classic Vanilla. I didn't complete Vanilla, but I have done it now. I completed TBC and WoTLK before they nerfed the content.

[@aroundthefur1210]

TBC was defintely my favorite as well. Was the best balance of what Vanilla and WOTLK had to offer imo.

[@kudjaremastered3362]

TBC is so nostalgic to me that it's practically a part of my DNA at this point. I've spent my whole childhood playing it on a private. Its sounds, its pacing, its mood... something about it is just so mystical and yet just right in terms of mechanics. It's hard to explain really... Vanilla always felt lackluster in terms of power your character has, but WotLK felt too greasy on the gears, as if you slide through leveling and dungeons with no effort. I just think it's so nice of you that you addressed this niche void of our bellowed game. Though, the odd thing is, when I played Retail TBC Classic I was so hyped for the endgame raids -- but the allignment to Kara and unlocking heroics took so much of my time that I just burned out and stopped playing despite it being my favorite expansion. Was the progression too much? Or did I grow out of it all? I don't know. But my guess is that we will never have as fun of an endgame that TBC had. My reasoning for this is that your items are harder to get and they certainly stand out. Player status is far more present in effort rather than raw timely grind. But there's also this serenity in its playerbase where rather than a fantasy of heroism playing out in our heads, it was more of a dwelling into this endless unknown with eerie atmosphere where ever we go (besides Gadgetzan and Boty Bay, which were for some reason the ultimate hellholes of carnage), somehow getting us to cooperate not by some end goal, but mere pressure of the engulfing wreckage of the Outlands. I hope this perspective means anything to anyone, cause I've been in this echo chamber of thoughts for more than a decade.

[@user-qs8kh5dn5w]

such cool thoughts! Feels the same, man. Such an atmosphere! Unprecidented

[@user-bx9vb3sn3k]

The game felt more epic when it had some challenge.

[@Swatta637]

Wow! I have similar opinions. TBC is just by and far the best for me. I like how you worded it - Vanilla is just a bit too lackluster, but WoTLK is too greasy on the gears and easy. I completely agree. TBC - the music, zones, Draenai on Alliance and Blood Elves on Horde. Zul'Aman. It's my absolute favorite. Don't get me wrong, I love Vanilla. I've enjoyed Vanilla Classic on Hardcore especially (as it forces the player to play the game how it was designed - exploration, quests, and hard). What happened to you happened to me as well! I never raided much in original WoW. When Classic hit, I was the first sham on my server with all 3 tier sets. I LOVED BWL and MC. Each week a genuine challenge, 40 man, for awesome loot. But after that, into AQ and Naxx especially I began to get burnt out of raiding. By the time TBC came out, I was just enjoying questing and exploring the zones so much and reliving going through the portal and the best game of my childhood that I had no interest in raiding. When I finally hit 70, I got into raiding, and QUICKLY burnt out. It was just exhausting. It was cool to do the raids once or twice, but I just felt over it by that point. I never even did Sunwell because my interest in raiding died so much. Interestingly, my guild all at once came out and said the same thing. Everyone was just 'burnt out'. My guild from the start of Classic broke up that week (not contentiously). And boom, I had no one to raid with. I started leveling a druid to 70, then leading my own ZA raids. It was some of the most fun I had in TBC. Anyways, I agree with you. I don't know how to explain it other than I was very burnt out of raiding. For a long time I looked forward to TBC raids but by Phase 4, I was done.

[@DEichenberg]

No clue, i always enjoyed TBC. The zones all feltr super unique, it looked gorgeous, fun quests and dungeons and raids. Some of the most memorable content in the game.

[@blubblubwhat]

Yea i enjoyed the quest zones in tbc more aswell then wrath.. in erath i just spammed dungeons to levl.

[@j325]

TBC was far and above my favorite expansion. It was chock full of lore and plot, which is important for me. I agree that raid comp was an issue but that seems to be a Classic issue across the entire trilogy. The thing that irks me about Wrath is that this is the beginning of every class offering the same utility (ret pallies/spriests/destro locks with replenishment, for example) and so classes start to feel less specialized. And while Ulduar has been a blast, the T5 bosses + Sunwell were so much fun. Very fond memories of that time!

[@BREAKocean]

I feel that it's the opposite. You're able to bring value with wildly different classes/specs. As a warlock it's fun being able to go demo or affliction and rarely destro in raids and having different itemization depending on what you are trying to do. In og classic, all I did was cast shadow bolt. In tbc all I did was cast immolate incinerate, and then back to shadowbolt spam.

[@brav0wing]

TBC was dissapointing lorewise.

[@xxDrain]

Tbc is best and wotlk was a dumbing down.

[@user-bx9vb3sn3k]

Many of the glaring deficiencies in Vanilla class design were addressed in TBC. I didn't care for some of the design changes in Wrath, such as the ease of gearing out a fresh character for raiding. That was always an interesting and engaging part of the game that was destroyed in the name of convenience. I also enjoyed the challenge of heroic dungeon progression from TBC.

[@killgore25]

As a feral Druid I majorly miss tbc. The best of times

[@joaquin2299]

resto druid also

They really did us dirty. Couldn't believe how low my dps was when Wrath came - I had to reroll another class :'(. Thankfully feral is great in classic!

[@rustyshackleford3316]

I loved playing my feral druid, and farming skettis elites for herbs. 22ms ping tagging god.

[@kingbjorn1832]

​@ the insane amount of stuff you have to do to min max as feral dps isnt Worth it if you are not in a tryhard guild. And yet you won't be top 4 dps if the rogues and warriors know their classes

[@natecw4164]

PvP was soooo fun as Resto

[@Nicolas-fo8qd]

I love the world of Outland it's so cool, and the blood elf starter zone is my favorite zone ever. I want to play TBC again in the future

[@wnyduchess]

Eversong woods is a piece of art (even if the quest design can be awful at times)

[@Ghostcharm]

The entire growth and storyline of vanilla private servers to Classic and TBC and now Wrath has been nothing short of fascinating, disappointing, and fantastic lol

[@sleepful_]

cata inc : )

[@wefracturedfewmusic9931]

Hey! It's Ghostcharm!

[@wefracturedfewmusic9931]

Loved the water in video games vid!

[@latzulatzu5521]

Make more wow videos! :)

[@ggkek1]

Ghostcharm the Legend ❤

[@erikgibson8693]

I feel like we should be able to start lvl 1 in vanilla and level to max then when you feel like transitioning to tbc you do a quest that takes you tbc version and play through that till you wanna do wrath. I think that would be really cool

[@hernanparis]

I am really waiting for this to happen. It's the only next logical move for blizzard... to have new players that come along. If they want to experience the world of warcraft from the very beginning, they could do it and transition from expansion to expansion journey as their want (only after their finish the preview one).

[@markfrost2307]

no

[@hernanparis]

@@markfrost2307 no what?

[@upsetskidmark-8562]

@@markfrost2307 I’m with mark just no

[@Owlbolt]

It's a good idea in theory; allow people to experience each iteration of the game as it was, but the problem is that you need people to be playing on the same version otherwise it's a dead game and you're really not experiencing the game as it was anyways. Private servers were honestly the closest I could get to that feeling of purity (ironically). Classic servers were nice, until people didn't want to pay for it anymore and the servers died.

[@funnybobjr]

Classic was special to go back to because of how unique each playthrough was. The other expansions had pretty linear leveling paths and then you raid logged. I spent a bunch of time leveling in classic then farming pre-bis, that alone could be the entire game.

[@Jp808]

Yeah the linear leveling really slows down my intrerst when leveling alts.

[@funnybobjr]

@@Jp808 I had 5 alts sit at lvl 60 all the way through TBC. It also doesn't help when the leveling and gearing meta for alts is to just boost then GDKP, that stuff ruined the game for me so I just raid logged with my guild raids on 1 character

[@antipathy17]

Raid logging because you bought gold like all the other losers who ruined the game.

[@dfcd1432]

@@funnybobjr to be fair, that was the meta in vanilla classic too

[@funnybobjr]

@@dfcd1432 yea but on release you couldn't and had to level normally like everyone else. It took at least until BWL was on farm for GDKP's to become normal. TBC was right from the start since everyone had spare gold saved.

[@The4Dev]

I'm one of the few that lists TBC as my favorite expansion. I love the story, zones, music and raids. You actually contradict yourself in this video. I remember re-playing your 'How did TBC Change WoW' and you listed only positive aspects. TBC is an actual extension of Vanilla, while adding on new stuff. Wrath started the whole overhaul. I would actually play on a TBC server, preferably a fresh one that goes through all phases again, but now us TBC enthousiasts have nothing.

[@benny7555]

This

[@cattysplat]

He was just bored of playing his warlock in raid, the same class in vanilla, so 2 expansions of spamming shadowbolt. He should have played a different class to mix things up.

[@Swatta637]

I agree! I felt like TBC was an expansion of Vanilla. But WoTLK was the start of a whole new game. Not a bad thing at all. I just preferred Vanilla. Don't get me wrong, too. WoTLK is definitely still 'Vanilla-ee" and I would lop into the "Classic" Era category easily. But the general play style that people experienced in Vanilla - grind, grind, grind, quest quest, struggle in dungeons, you're always poor with gold, etc...lol! just isn't there. WoTLK seems to be much more end-game raiding focused, with gold largely irrelevant.

[@Dolkarr]

Felmyst

[@VeggehGaming]

I'd love to see some sort of TBC server return eventually. TBC was, and still is, my favourite expansion, even when feral tanks got shafted by the AOE meta because Swipe generated about as much threat as a chocolate teapot. But despite that, I'm not looking to play it yet, and probably won't for a while. Perhaps if a Season of Mastery goes ahead and my schedule works out well I could take part in that and have a good time.

[@Dylan-ko2gj]

I actually like TBC the best. Sure, it's a lot different from Vanilla and you lose the world feel just being in Outland, but it still feels closer to Vanilla than to retail. I was excited for WOTLK but I dropped off a few weeks into tier 7 because it just felt very retail-like to me. Not hating on those that like retail, it's just not the game for me

[@omodiXPS]

I'm still playing wrath but it does just feel like bad retail.

[@dosbilliam]

...Have either of you played retail recently? They're WILDLY different experiences.

[@Scott89878]

I also think TBC was peak wow and about two months into Wrath, I was like, done with it. I'm playing Vanilla again.

[@theoutlander1411]

I played TBC the night before Pre-Patch and played it an hour after the Pre-Patch went live and it felt different. I used to have to come up with a loose plan on how to deal with more than 2 mobs at once. Once Wrath hit, that went up to 4. The rotations I used were different and I just felt generally twice as strong as I did before. However, my class became simpler to play and I remember while I was doing my cooking daily that something felt "off". I've thought about it since and I think it was the challenge feeling much lower.

[@JohnRock14]

Lmao wrath feels nothing like retail... its far better than tbc and vanilla

[@Brunnen_Gee]

I wanted TBC Classic. TBC is when I started playing WoW, so it's where my nostalgia lies. I came to Classic a month or two ago after not playing WoW since MoP, expecting TBC servers to be available. I was pretty sad when I saw it wasn't an option. I am having fun with WotLK, but man, I really wanted TBC.

[@LennieEkselius]

Stormforge is opening a new tbc private server at the end of march

[@elixer9089]

I started at cataclysm which is when I hope they end + at

[@tekkenback]

Same here. TBC was my intro to MMO’s and as a complete noob, I have tons of great memories of that era. Hate that they did away with the servers 😒

[@sam510938764]

TBC Classic was available for nearly 13 months. Were you living under a rock?

[@Brunnen_Gee]

@@sam510938764 I followed almost nothing about WoW since I quit playing in MoP. So, regarding this specific game, yes I was living under a rock. The only reason I'm back now is because it popped back in my head at random one day, after not thinking about it for years.

[@ajfunk92]

Motion for a TBC era realm petition! Had such a blast during TBC

[@turdburglar123]

I’m utterly baffled as to why they didn’t keep a small number of TBC servers. Will they keep Wrath when Cata Classic comes out? Will they forge ahead with MoP Classic and keep Wrath but abandon Cata? The whole thing is a complete mess

[@LennieEkselius]

Stormforge is opening a new tbc private server at the end of march

[@vladsunseducer3574]

Was just about to say… Stormforges new tbc server Netherwing releases March 25th 2023.

[@madlifescientist3995]

I just love the placement of Karazhan. It’s right there in the middle of eastern kingdoms, close to low level alliance area and a bit further away for horde… this was what classic and tbc did perfectly, funnel people together for the experience - especially the factions. If it didn’t have flying, it might be the best expansion

[@King_Sad_Boy]

I genuinely don't understand people that are against flying. It changed nothing.

[@TCGdp]

​@@King_Sad_Boy it allows you to skip content instead of being forced to interact with it

[@King_Sad_Boy]

@@TCGdp You can walk by almost all content you can fly by. Anyone that makes the argument you just did literally doesn't understand the game at a core level.

[@King_Sad_Boy]

@@TCGdp I would also add that even IF it did force you to interact with content (which it doesnt) that is NOT necessarily a good thing.

[@StreetForged]

@@King_Sad_Boy nothing like world PvP when your target just CCs you and flies away. Flying also immuned you to multiple forms of CC. It's bad gameplay design for open world interaction when there are no in-flight combat mechanics and as others have mentioned, it allows you to simply fly straight over all the content and reduces the necessity for good map design. Judging by your gen Z profile name, it's likely you started playing long after flying mounts were introduced and became a completely expected part of the game. There was a stark reduction in quality of world PvP with them, and it really affects the sense of scale of the world. The need for faster forms of transport was always there, but flying mounts were lazily implemented and came with a lot of negatives as well.

[@tmg1993]

Thanks for continuing these Classic videos. Good stuff my guy

[@thomassleziak1222]

TBC is one of my favourite expansions, I played it for like 7 years on private servers. I tried and played every expansion except WOD for at least 3-4 months, watched many videos, so I have some knowledge. I just loved pvp in TBC, it was the best. There were some hard counters, it wasn’t well balanced, but I loved it.

[@lufasumafalu5069]

you are just shameless thief playing free on illegal server

[@Prophacyx]

Tbc arena is something else, nothing compares to it.

[@tortilla3418]

i loved doing progression on the raids in tbc, phases 2 and 3 with ssc/tk and hyjal/bt respectively did scratch an itch for me and it felt very fun

[@TKGxCOD]

I didnt get to play tbc much, would be nice to experience all the raids in their entirety

[@LennieEkselius]

Stormforge is opening a new tbc private server at the end of march

[@TKGxCOD]

@@LennieEkselius do you know what client it will run on?

[@LennieEkselius]

@@TKGxCOD They said its Atlantis old core, so 2.4.3 I think but dont quote me on it.

[@Asin24]

The weird part is tbc for me was the best if the original 3. It had the best progression easily with wotlk really dropping the ball making old raids completely irrelevant without even needing boosting to do so.

[@holyflygon]

Id be so down for a SoM at some point for TBC. The issue with SoM classic was it came out right along with TBC and after spending all that time in classic I wanted to do TBC but now we are 8 weeks into ulduar im raidlogging characters I am more willing to level on another era realm. I kinda want another round of classic SoM or ill take TBC atm.

[@xMorbidArtx]

Yes, dont know what they were thinking with releasing som so soon. I guess there are just some hyper purists for vanilla.

[@temporaryname8905]

TBC is amazing it was my favorite time as a rogue. Sub rogues could go daggers, or swords, and you could specialize in just one or two finishes or all of them. Shadow Dance didn't exist yet thankfully. Don't get me wrong I learned to really appreciate Shadow Dance in ShadowLands but sometimes you just don't want it. I made a bleed slow stealth subtlety that obliterated warriors and paladins.

[@Kshaadoo]

I just wish rogues were more useful in pve in TBC. As a rogue main who was returning to game, I couldnt find a raid spot. :(

[@seanwilliams7655]

@@Kshaadoo yeah. I felt really bad for any rogue or fury warrior mains. But that points out one of the biggest flaws these old games have. They aren't really balanced around the amount of min maxing and optimization players do these days. Plenty of groups made decent progress back in the day with a few rogues in the raid.

[@sebastianvm9938]

I love playing rogue and warrior, but it's kind hard to find spot if you're not from the begging of the guild, you can barely find spot , that's what I don't like from tbc, anyway it's amazing if you have the opportunity. My last time as warrior I almost get glaives but they didn't dropped 😢😅

[@sogybritches]

I miss tbc, don't enjoy wrath much, the play style I discovered of seal twisting as ret during tbc was very fun and I miss it immensely. I'm not sure if I'd play tbc again but I'm not playing wow at all ATM, I'd be more likely to play tbc than any other version out currently.

[@Turnkey_BM]

I think you're probably an outlier in this area. Rotations in TBC were still terrible for many classes and gameplay wasn't very satisfying. Most casters have some extra buttons to push that make combat at least marginally more engaging.

[@stayn2793]

as a ret paly main in tbc,i feel every single word u say man,once u get ur hit+ expertiese cap twisting was so fun,it´s true it was an rng thing to do and it wouldnt happen 100% but honestly that was the good part of it aswell,ret paly in tbc was wonderful aaaand in wrath..well yeah dont have much to say about it xD

[@megamanx627]

You miss seal twisting ? I mean you do you bro but I don't know why I hated sealed twisting it was the reason I didn't want to play ret And I was so happy it was gone. On the whole though II don't miss tbc I'll tell you what I would be OK with tbc dungeons and raids with wrath classes Because I will say Wrath pre patch was extremely fun.

[@nillytv]

Seal twist with a haste pot and CS was the most fun juggling act of DPS I’ve ever played. Wrath pally is guitar hero

[@megamanx627]

@@nillytv I mean to be fair I'll take Guitar Hero over snapshotting And this is the one thing I'll say about cara It was an actual rotation most classes got an actual rotation.

[@connorpint2920]

TBC would be absolutely amazing if they just made many of the buffs raid wide, spriest mana gain, Bloodlust, windfury totems battle shout ect

[@maldlions5313]

Definitely not. I feel like tbc Classic was already pisslow easy. What we need is faster mechanics and at least triple more health bars on enemies.

[@d3c0y39]

Never having to beg for a spare shaman for agi totem AND a feral druid as a survi hunter, that would be amazing.

[@PauliusCreates]

I started in TBC and will always love it. I think what would be cool to experience and I know there are quite few private servers doing that - allow people to go from expansion to expansion. Say complete Vanilla by completing all the raids and have an option to change to TBC server etc etc. it would also create opportunities for something like multi expansion world first race etc. even though it might be a bit hard to pull off mainly cuz of different patches and raids

[@ramb0101]

When TBC first was announced and they were doing Classic Era, I always assumed they would do the same each expansion, TBC era and Wrath. I hope to be able to jump off the rotation if they go into Cata.

[@rendymonyab]

I would consider going back if we could get wrath class balance in TBC. Would be far more interesting to play. I think Willie has it exactly right that TBC was kinda a halfway point between classic and wrath

[@106adamm]

Well, considering Vanilla is part one and wotlk is part 2 yes... TBC is literally the "halfway point" lol

[@xMorbidArtx]

The wrath pre-patch in tbc was some of the funnest pvp. Then wrath was released…🤢

[@Jellyforce620]

Seal twisting was so nice getting those twist crits with a windfury after!

[@SuperMo15]

I really enjoyed this video ty!

[@lucasmorgan4379]

Vanilla wow always felt like a complete game to me with a clear beginning and end with no endgame treadmill. It's why I think it's so popular and repayable

[@WarbossFraka]

Exactly the opposite for me, vanilla feels unfinished and that's why its not nearly as fun.

[@samuellang9761]

@@WarbossFraka I could just play level 60 or 70 Arathi Basin pvp games as the only form of gaming for me ever. I think it is so perfect and wish I could play a few hours a day every day

[@maelys8851]

TBC and Vanilla were always both my favorite parts of WoW. I mostly prefer Vanilla, but I really love TBC content and I actually like class changes it introduced, they felt like they completed what Vanilla didn't have time to. If I had to choose, I would stick to Vanilla, but outside of a binary choice I would want a more Vanilla-like TBC, not exactly TBC but something better.

[@rebelfighter10]

I think there was a uniqueness to Classic-Vanilla in its RPG aspect that made it much more digestible and palatable as an MMO and why more people want to see classic-vanilla era servers as opposed to TBC ones. There were more elements of an RPG in classic that TBC scrubbed to make it more MMO friendly. Something about that change must have created the lack of desire for TBC. I think it ties back to the homogenization that Willie spoke of.

[@scoob1551]

I've been playing hardcore on Bloodsail Buccaneers the past two days and wow has it been fun. My heart was racing just fighting Hogger which I never thought was possible lol. Highly recommend to anyone looking for something new.

[@PRC533]

The best part of TBC was Karazhan, which wasn't even in outland. I don't really feel like reliving the horror of replacing T2 gear with quest reward greens because the stat bloat was so dramatic. The only reason any of my set made it out of hellfire peninsula was for set bonuses and probably my general reluctance to let it go.

[@j.flux87]

💯

[@michaelcitrino5339]

OMG kara was amazing. I was telling people that if it weren't for raid caps/cooldowns I would be in kara all day every day. I played a Holy Priest through classic and tbc so i basically lived for group content, so to spend up to 3ish hours in a single raid while still making progress and eventually completing it is fun. the story is great, the lore is great, the bosses were interesting ... except for the stupid chess minigame that can be completed by like 3 ppl. And to top it all off, the kara set armor for priest had the best passives imo.

[@theoutlander1411]

Naxx gear was still good in TBC up until SSC/TK.

[@Deya1337]

Stat bloat happened in Naxx 40.

[@PRC533]

@@michaelcitrino5339 I switched from my warrior to a disc priest for PvP mostly but still loved healing Kara.

[@noonesp3cial]

well, seems like people want a tbc server as of late. this aged like milk

[@mikfhan]

Vanilla Season of Mastery ends soon if I'm not mistaken, it would be neat if you could then freely transfer into a Vanilla permanent or TBC seasonal server, then once that season ends transfer into a TBC permanent or Wrath seasonal server. It lets you progress through the phases as they unlock without having to relevel the earlier zones you already did in the previous season, or just move to a permanent server if you like staying in the endgame content. Probably a lot of servers to keep track of but I assume some of the nearly empty ones could be repurposed for TBC or seasonals. Blizz could also keep track of server populations to figure out ahead of season end which servers to funnel players into, to counteract faction imbalances seen in previous season.

[@TiaguinhoMu]

Cool insights, ty

[@AnthonyWabo]

TBC is my favorite expansion of all time. I think it's the best of Classic WoW + a bit of quality of life improvements

[@shad0wfaxx77]

I’d like to see 2 servers for each expansion. 2 for era, 2 for tbc and 2 for wrath. One pve and one pvp. I personally don’t want to go past wrath. My only interest is vanilla version but that’s just me.

[@debthaver4048]

I thought about this a lot and decided I would only play a TBC server again if Black Temple/Hyjal are available from day 1. Then it's a race through two tiers of content to get to Illidan which sounds a lot more compelling.

[@AndyOneil]

Would be cool if there were era servers for vanilla, tbc and wrath then blizz could start rotating fresh seasonal servers, at the end of each season characters could transfer to their respective era realms, they could add some sort of incentive for players to keep playing on era realms like an armoury collection to store tier sets similar to POE's collections tab

[@Wyrmshield]

I've been so upset that there is no TBC era. It was the Classic that I really wanted to play but shortly after launch was when Blizz had their big awful lawsuit made public which made me stop playing in disgust. When I heard that there was no plans for TBC era I was heartbroken because I had missed the whole thing. I broke my stance and started playing TBC at the end just to get something out of it. I really, really, wish they had made era

[@picklechin3061]

Skill issue

[@Riskyfortabisky]

Seems like a you problem tbh

[@asmrtpop2676]

@@Riskyfortabisky nah cuz even if they played it they’d lose it. people just wanna keep a character in that part of time. this is an rpg after all.

[@spearhead2054]

If Blizz keeps dozens of literally dead servers online they can put up just a handful TBC-era realms as well.

[@Lanarkwow]

Great video and thank you for addressing this. I would love to see a TBC era server. I think it would be great if you had the option that when you are done the content of a TBC era server that you could then transfer you character to a Wrath era server and then when you are done the content on a Wrath era sever transfer to a Cata era server. Just keep those types of options up. I would love to play through all the servers with a character and go at my own pace.

[@Jp808]

Good vid as always

[@Alkiskond]

I did want such a server..... * but with SOME changes^^

[@cryptomaniac2]

dual spec in tbc would have been nice, id welcome that change

[@Dadge42]

I wanted them... or even one.

[@Gbb93]

I think it would be interesting if blizzard made a unique server where you unlocked the next tier after a certain amount of raid lockouts. Like for example you unlock SSC/TK after 12 kills of Gruul/Mag/Prince.

[@Jiddu88]

You make an very strong point @7:39. I have big difficulty ranking the Classics in a top 3. XDXD -I think those three are the best versions.

[@Vhite]

Personally, I like threat as a mechanic and some classes sucking at things like AoE, provided they have a different niche they excel at. Sure being able to zerg big numbers all the time feels good, but surrendering ourselves to that feeling and removing anything standing in its way led to some poor long term design decisions by Blizzard, and other poor short term decisions by players who more often than not choose to play one-button parsing class, rather than something more fun or more useful to the guild.

[@mightylink65]

Personally Wrath was all I wanted... I did hear over the years how people said TBC had the best raids but personally I was always into Wrath for the story and setting.

[@Grundylol]

based on your picture, i would have never guessed

[@theoutlander1411]

Most of the people I find who claim Wrath is their favourite expansion started really playing it end of phase 2-phase 4. I'm open to it getting better but so far I think it's not as good as TBC. The story and setting is okay but there's a lot of little things that kind of annoy me about it, especially Ulduar narratively. It's story also kind of falls off in the middle. You have the build up to the Wrath Gate and the Battle for the Undercity, and then after that you have to go look for a Dwarf or travel through zombie troll ruins? Didn't we come up here to kill the Lich King? After that you're dealing with viking avatars in Storm Peaks. I was half expecting by level 80 we'd at least have an army next to ICC saying they're working on taking ICC but go take out Naxx because they're a threat to our base of operations first.

[@doctorferdinand1003]

@@theoutlander1411 valid flaws, but apply that same level of scrutiny to tbc. That expansion makes no sense narratively. I personally stopped playing classic because of how the community seized every opportunity to drain the fun from the game, but when it was current I did enjoy the rich world of classic / tbc more than wrath.

[@theoutlander1411]

@@doctorferdinand1003 TBC does have it's flaws, though the armies of the Alliance and the Horde felt spread thin and weren't making a concerted effort like in Wrath, so it was up to you the player, and some side factions to do all the heavy lifting. If anything it's the opposite of the problems of Wrath where the little things make sense but the larger story and "threat" of Outland on to Azeroth seems overstated by how little the Alliance and Horde commit their forces. A legit reason to quit playing Classic. If I didn't have such a great guild I would have quit back in TBC.

[@MoonTurky]

If you like wrath you are mentally disabled at a drastic level Wrath makes any other expansion look like a godsend because its so terrible

[@Real-Ruby-Red]

Tbc was great, I loved it and thankful I got the opportunity to play it from start to finish, if it was around forever at some point I’d get bored.

[@richardvlogsdisney]

I would definitely be up for some kind of TBC season at some point. I don’t know if it needs the era realms that vanilla has. But an event to pull people back could be good

[@kwicksandz]

i just dont have the nostalgia for TBC that i did for vanilla. i couldnt even get to the level cap before i burned out in classic tbc and i only did the first tier of raids before i gave up in vanilla TBC back in the day.

[@thehardcorecasual9444]

"Classic" TBC and Wrath are just a meme because of the mindset of the players. Classic era is the only one with normal classic players.

[@marcelthorsen]

I love watching Wille’s videos and then Asmon’s video in response to it.

[@cattysplat]

Asmon hates classic since he gets boosted everywhere.

[@brandonkruse6412]

I’d come back to replay MoP. Played it in retail and private servers and it still holds up as some of the most fun content this game’s ever had combined with how fun/viable all specs were to play in PvP and PvE.

[@haldir108]

Regarding threat: Threat isn't very fun if you're a DPS player. Doubly so if you are limited in your ability to manage it. But as a tank, threat is such a fun mechanic. It puts the responsibility of your friends' fun on your shoulders, and in vanilla, that's somewhat hard to achieve, which makes it VERY obvious who's a good and bad tank. There is nothing more important in an MMO than to be able to distinguish yourself some way, and being a good tank, and being trusted to be "the main tank" is amazing. The "use defensive/call out for defensives" style of play just means that you either do or die, without any gradient. Once you survive an encounter, the next steps are into very high effort/low reward minmax terretory. You can find fun there, but i think a lot more tanks find threat an interesting mechanic.

[@vincenthamel3420]

until you realize that "being good" just mean hogging all the gear first, and displaying your skill just mean " not RNG'ing a string of parry/dodge upon pull".

[@haldir108]

@@vincenthamel3420 Don't forget that you need to press W, and then yell at your healers "I am pressing W". That's the real skill.

[@kyleellis1825]

Threat was the only reason weaker dps specs mattered.

[@SurpriseMechanics]

I remember when the black temple patch was announced during TBC, there were players posting in the forums that they would not fight Illidan because they believed he did nothing wrong. They didn’t agree with the direction the story was going with us storming the black temple to kill Illidan. Maybe that’s why it didn’t stick around for that long as a classic server…

[@tortilla3418]

but glaives

[@kyleellis1825]

Kaelthas was the same thing. People hated him just going crazy.

[@fossildave123]

They could always do a TBC classic + where many of the issues you've listed are addressed. It'd be nice to go through TBC with a class where I have more than one button to press and various other QoL improvements

[@jprec5174]

TBC content should've just been lvl 60 capped that added horizontal progression and true difficult dungeons and raids. They intentionally made classic obsolete by making lvl 60 TBC greens better than raid gear.

[@saturnFIV3]

Even though theyve moved to WotLK servers, can I still play TBC content in those? I would assume so but have no idea where to look or where to start. I really want to play through TBC, never got to experience it.

[@MoritzGarbanzo]

We'll see how this changes after Wotlk is done. A lot of rose tinted goggles are coming off. People are already leaving Wotlk in droves and realising that Vanilla and even TBC had a lot more substance and Wotlk is just too close to today's retail than they realised.

[@ericpadilla2454]

Yup and im guilty of that, I started playing WoW when Wrath originally launch( was in phase 3). And i played WoW up until BFA which I couldnt even level because it was trash. When Vanilla Classic was announced I was hyped because I knew how fun and challenging leveling was in wrath and i wanted that experience brought back. But man, after playing Vanilla Classic and TBC Classic, I can easily say those two are the best versions of WoW. When Wrath finally did get re-released, it felt too easy and too retail like. I havent touched it since hardcore came out. Wrath really is an overrated expansion and i prefer Vanilla or TBC over it.

[@c-modvolume3256]

i would love a Season of Mastery TBC with Stronger and revamped boss fights for phase 1 and throw in some H+ like wrath after ea phase is finished

[@THEPete_]

H+ is one of the most brainless ideas for fill content, such lazy design

[@lazarus8453]

Horrible idea. Tbc is just bad expansion pack .

[@Macabre215]

The funny thing about adding damage to healing gear is that this came later in TBC. I remember doing T4 and T5 content on a resto shaman, and you had ZERO spell damage on your healing gear. Boy was it fun farming and doing daily quests being geared that way. You had to get caster dps gear to wear while farming otherwise it was like pulling teeth.

[@entryofemotion12]

I personally think that one of the problems with outland might be that it's the oldest content that has been in the game at this point, even in Retail, that hasn't changed. Even Classic stuff changed back in Cata, opting for people to want a way to experience the world as it was before. But TBC doesn't have that. It's always been there unchanged and waiting. Obviously playing it in Retail is very different than a Classic Era version, but for me even during TBC I was still fatigued on doing the content from the dozens of characters I had to level through it from my time in Wrath up to even current day in Retail. It's an expansion where I just don't ever want to do the leveling experience again, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's not a feeling for most players.

[@dudere]

The fact there are no BC realms has really killed my drive to play on WRATH. Every time I log on a little voice in my head goes "you know you will be forced to migrate to CATA". Until they confirm at least on WRATH server will stand I don't think I will play classic anymore.

[@patricspooner3941]

This makes no sense. Missing out on an entire expansion bc of the possibility that you MIGHT have to migrate your character away from servers that will be dead.

[@dudere]

@@patricspooner3941 Dude, Im old now, I don't need my videogame reminding me of my coming mortality. Why even play games? I'm just going to die.

[@yvesmertens5319]

I really like TBC it's not perfect but atleast most classes were alot more intresting to play compared to Vanilla and the raids felt more challenging aswell

[@lyricahm3370]

If you miss TBC play on Stormforge TBC server launching March 25th it will have dual spec and more difficult raid content.

[@spencerhamilton5510]

I would say yes, but there is also something even though it was only 2weeks long the pre-patch was fun having access to both paladins and shamans for 2 resets was cool. But the talk near the end of the tbc expansion was how raid ride buffs would help with the annoying group composition meta. Indeed people were excited for the raids not just because the annoying plan was gone, but because the raids were nerfed a bit and for a good number of weeks, raids were puggable in ways not seen in tbc era before the pre-patch. If we could recapture that it would be a great expansion. I also kind of miss the fights they had mechanics like vanilla, but harder. Players did seem to just stop as few had plans on choosing a tbc char over a wrath char. If they did release it, now would be the worst time as the raid logging is the name of the game now. Hopefully people see the return to vanilla era nostalia just takes a bit to hit and managing it along with the current wrath plan of trying to prevent people from optimizing fun out could really help tbc of all expansions.

[@oliverandersson1991]

i want TBC era... i dont like blizz for not making TBC era realms, should have been an option!

[@TheScabbyRat]

TBC Classic was one of the greatest gaming experiences I've had! From heroic dungeons being scary af early on, getting DST, changing guilds, farming Glaives for a guildie, doing arena and progging on Muru! It was so legendary! However I will never ever play it again 😂 it was so fun but its something I'd never want to repeat and I just feel like that's the same mentality for majority of the community.

[@j.flux87]

Interesting comment. Just curious, why wouldn't you play again?

[@TheScabbyRat]

@@j.flux87 I did it all! The only thing I didn't was the Netherdrake rep farm! It was so great at the time but I don't wanna return to farm the raids on a weekly basis! I don't wanna have to go Nagrand and farm leather for Drums and leg enchants! I don't wanna come up against 2x Rogue in Arena where I have a high chance to die in stunlock! I dont wanna pray we find more resto shamans and if we do, if i can get the double hero this week haha! I'm happy to sit and look back at all the amazing memories I had and enjoy them because if I try to recreate them, I just know it won't be the same!

[@Olimaru2]

entertaining once again!!

[@agutirrez74]

Quick question I’m just getting back in wow can you not play tbc anymore?

[@germansausage7310]

Honestly. For me TBC was peak and i would play it again. I absolutely loved going as a fully decked out 1h fury warrior into SCC with my guild, poping everything on the first trash pack and going to 24k burst DPS and staying top until the end of that fight.

[@Snxgur]

24k dps in tbc? yea no kekw

[@boosky91therainbro64]

Bro was playing The Burning Stove expac 💀💀💀

[@germansausage7310]

People not knowing what burst really is is hilarious.

[@avshipman]

early bird comment: because TBC is kinda ass tbh. I'd rather play Wrath but I'd rather play Vanilla over both of them. Wrath is just Diet Retail without the fun parts and TBC is worse vanilla with flying.

[@jacksontrust6035]

I think the HC challenge adds tons of replay ability to any (and every) expansion, hopefully that gets expanded on considering the news that Aggrend dropped last week.

[@sortitout3903]

I quite about 3 weeks into wotlk because I miss tbc, really hope they bring it back 😔

[@meatyclock]

Classic era would of never died if blizzard didn't pay wall it on tbc launch. Change my mind

[@cattysplat]

Blizzard greed kills their games more than anything else.

[@SwampRanger]

I think if they took the best from TBC like: PvP Raids and sizes (10-25m) Class balance Tier tokens Races/classes And inserted that into vanilla, it would make for an awesome Era server.

[@Anubiszz512zz]

I would love to see Era servers for all three original classic game modes. I went heavy on vanilla classic, but was burnt out by early tbc. I never got the full tbc experience back in 2007. So yeah I would like to see Era servers and even fresh servers that can transfer to the Era server at the end of the season. And I'd like that for vanilla classic, tbc, and wrath at least. Then they can go crazy with some classic plus stuff on all three. That is the dream for me.

[@Wadell449]

Are there any guilds playing the game as if it’s still tbc? Like turning xp off at 70 style?

[@AntonioKH2]

Because TBC is boring, plain and simple.

[@DarkScreamGames]

I think eventually they're going to do time locked progression servers like EQ does, sometimes adding crazy rules. Imagine progressing thru the first 3 expansions as a 2 year expansion. Like a classic phase patch every month or two- Except it's double XP and no items are soulbound, or it's a multiboxing allowed server, or it's a hardcore server (wait they're doing that one)

[@daqimber]

i would LOVE if there will be TBC again in the future , BUT with changes (dual spec, classes balance, attunement account wide etc)

[@The_Nametag]

I really do think the entire point of Classic is the Eras. Even if it's just four servers - Normal, PVP, RP, PVP/RP, there should be options. Though. ultimately, imagine if there were a slider where you could effectively choose which point in Classic you were in. Not just final patch of the era, but which content was available during those eras. Though THAT would probably be far too much hassle to program in.

[@kriskringle4317]

I honestly recently started playing tbc Pserver as I wait for the possible official hardcore servers, got screwed over as a top guild healer in a corrupt guild on the tbc relaunch and quit shortly after, been having a ton of fun with the pre nerf mechs and health.

[@tropzx]

Melee weaving in tbc was some of the most fun i had raiding

[@lucasmorgan4379]

I feel like the biggest issue of tbc wad the character boost...I felt this way in wotlk as well. When you go to level a new character it's really hard to find anyone in the overworld or tbc world while leveling bc everyone got a free character boost. Why continue to play if you don't see others while your leveling l. Reminds me so much of retail.

[@nightcult1741]

There is seemingly a post on the Classic Forums every week or so asking for or wondering why we didn't receive TBC-Era realms with mixed, but largely positive support for them. I think there's evidence of demand for TBC-Era, I just hope Blizzard sees it. Personally, TBC was my favorite expansion thematically - the zones and soundtracks are some of the best Blizzard has ever done. Everyone looks fondly on Nagrand and the soundtrack that went with it, entering the exotic bogs of Zangarmarsh after leaving the literal hellscape of Hellfire Peninsula, the absolutely alien mana-torn Netherstorm. I didn't get to raid much this time around outside of Phase 1, so I didn't really experience the raid comp hardships but I do remember them back in original TBC. They sucked, but you made do. If Blizzard did "some changes" TBC-Era realms, it might be a good idea to make those buffs raid-wide instead of party; I think that would alleviate a lot of pain. Anyway, TBC hype.

[@mattybrads4]

I loved tbc and would play it again :)

[@LamborghiniDiabloSVPursuit]

My first exposure to WoW was TBC when I was about 14-15 years old. I couldn't afford retail then, so I played primarily on private servers. Things changed after 15 more years, but TBC will always have a special place for me for being my gateway into the experience.

[@BeowolfNindoJournal]

Interesting. Nagrand remains my favourie area, so memorable.

[@LabelRider_113]

What would it look like now to setup a guild(s) and just agree to level lock at 70? Any achievements/gear could show they have never been to northrend. Would current WOTLK level 70 talents change the balance and meta?