Why Did The Jedi Order HATE Revan after KOTOR...?

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Despite saving them Revan was rather hated amongst the higher ranking members of the Jedi
Order after KOTOR... but why?
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[@100StarWars]

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[@michaelandreipalon359]

That's fine. However, I do think that the Beta universe games (think Elite Force, Armada, and Bridge Commander) are better than even Online and what you're advertising

[@fafnir97]

We sure do live in harmony, but not the kind you would expect! It's the harmony of knowing your beloved nerd cultures got subverted and destroyed by those who don't understand what the IPs are about and don't want us to have nice things..

[@donewhiskey]

@@fafnir97 Just let people enjoy new things. You can still have your old things.

[@majesticmsfc]

@@fafnir97 Unfortunately for the most part you are correct

[@ajzebadua]

Love them both, live long and may the Force be with you.

[@ZorroTheWevile]

The Council wouldn't know the meaning of humble if it came out of hyperspace and ate their souls 💀

[@100StarWars]

💀

[@aamirrazak3467]

True and it seems the prequel era Jedi council never learned to be humble either

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

Facts , it’s not in their nature ✅

[@raijyn2452]

And yet, they claim humility to be part of their doctrine

[@aisnota5192]

Funny that you mention that.....

[@TheCHEESEG]

I love Jolee's quote about love, Revan proved the council was wrong about love by turning Bastilla back to the light. "Love doesn't lead to the dark side. Passion can lead to rage and fear, and can be controlled... but passion is not the same thing as love. Controlling your passions while being in love... that's what they should teach you to beware. But love, itself, will save you... not condemn you."

[@klaykid117]

That's also exactly how Luke turned Darth Vader back to the light. Pure love not possessive obsession like Anakin had for padame.

[@matthewchristian9591]

​@klaykid117 which is what Luke taught his jedi students in the ledgends continuity.

[@painstation948]

Toff may be Blind but they out here speaking facts as if they saw the future

[@majinjason]

Anakin told that to Padme in the prequels

[@alexiserlexcc]

I loved HK-47’s quote about love

[@Spartan3D213]

Kreia: "He has brought truth, and you condemn it? The arrogance!"

[@aarroncannon1590]

I'm surprised that nobody has used that quote as a Meme.

[@Spartan3D213]

@aarroncannon1590 same here, especially when you play male Exile and she has a harsher tone with this line.

[@sanantonio210x]

Kreia is one of the greatest jedi characters in the Star Wars universe. Brilliant writing.

[@Aqueox]

@@aarroncannon1590Go forth, my young memers, and bring memes to the Empire.

[@JaelaOrdo]

They hated Revan (and Bastila to a lesser extent) for proving that love can actually save people from the dark side instead of pushing them towards it. Or at least that was part of it.

[@Cailus3542]

It was more fear than anything else. Revan failed to destroy the Jedi in war, but he might do so with philosophy. That is how the first Jedi civil war began, leading to the formation of the Sith.

[@alexanderrahl7034]

I think it _was_ fear, but not like that. I think it was fear that only certain people would be able to handle being in love and controlling their passions. That preaching that it was possible to do, would just encourage many jedi, especially young ones, to try and likely fail. Which would lead to more sith. Nor so much that they fear for their order or power, some might have, but that they fear for the repercussions of teaching something with such a high likelihood of catastrophic failure.

[@kevinnorwood8782]

Of course the Jedi saw Revan as a heretic: He kept seeing through their dogmatism and proving their flawed beliefs wrong time and time again. Revan deserved a FAR better ending than the one he got.

[@lollo987100]

He saw through the LIES of the Jedi!!

[@l.pricetag.5207]

​@@lollo987100he did not fear the love as they did!

[@lollo987100]

@@l.pricetag.5207 From his point of view the mandalorians were evil!

[@MegaDrain]

9:14 "They would mock his marriage" is just kinda a funny thought. Revan walking down the aisles of the temple as Jedi laugh at him, "haha you love your wife, fuckin loser"

[@Aqueox]

“HAHA IMAGINE PASSING ON YOUR GENES. WE STICK OUR LIGHTSABERS IN A STONE WHEN WE ARE BANISHED, YOU STUPID LITTLE SHIT,” Vrook said calmly.

[@HYDEinallcaps]

"Where's your wife? Go back to your family, man."

[@MegaDrain]

@@HYDEinallcaps Smiling Friends reference, love it!

[@sayvionwashington1939]

Carth: What are you doing? Revan: Making chocolate pudding. Carth: Why are you making chocolate pudding? Revan: Because I've lost control of my life.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

I... don't get the reference.

[@Popthekirbo]

@@michaelandreipalon359 It's from rugrats

[@RichardBarkman]

I’m understood that reference

[@HYDEinallcaps]

Not pictured before that last line: 1. What's so important about this pudding to you, Carth? 2. [Persuade] Well, I wouldn't mind help finishing it if you're able to join me, Carth. 3. Wanna make an easy 200 credits? You just have to finish the rest of this pudding. 4. Stop asking stupid questions, it's bad enough hearing you yammer on about your wife! 5. Because I've lost control of my life.

[@mfdoomguy3786]

@@HYDEinallcaps 1. Carth: It's... it's just that it reminds me of the times when my wife used to make pudding every night for dessert, before she... never mind, you know this story by now, huh. 2. Carth: [Success] Sure, I got time. You know, my wife used to love making pudding, I still remember her recipe. If you want, I can teach you it? Alternatively: Carth: [Failure] Hey, if you want dessert, you go ahead, but I'm not your personal chef. 3. Carth: Seriously? 200 credits, for pudding? Well, this feels like highway robbery... Hey, stick around, I'll show you a recipe I know. Fair's fair, right? 4. Carth: Alright, you know what? Sorry I even asked! Enjoy your damn pudding, choke on it for all I care! I don't even know why I try to talk to you like a normal person! 5. Carth: That's... heavy. Well, good luck with that, I guess.

[@Cailus3542]

For me, it's simple: the Jedi Masters were terrified. The Order, down to barely a hundred Jedi, was weaker than it had ever been. The decision to laud Revan and fully bring him back into the Order was a desperate attempt to control him. The Council knew that if another crisis occurred, they would need Revan's power and genius to survive. At worst, it appeased Revan and Bastila so that they'd toe the party line and not rebel. Revan, of course, knew all this, but he had no interest in reforming the Order or getting involved in their politics. He knew that he was the wrong man for that. More, remember what happened after Revan was captured. The Council had the power to heal his mind. Instead, they violated his mind and imprinted him with a new identity, loyal to them. Revan was sureiy a bit peeved after that. All of that rambling is to say that Revan and Bastila likely knew that the Order was doomed. There was no fixing it. This is why Atris had no knowledge of Bastila's hiding place, or Jolee, Juhani and Yuthura. They all refused to return to the Order, especially after Katarr. Bastila only popped out of hiding to use her Battle Meditation when the Sith fleet attacked Telos. Even then, she avoided meeting the Exile.

[@condedepiamonte93]

Is there info about Yuthura surviving up until the Dark Wars? Was she alived at the return of Meetra Surik?

[@Cailus3542]

​@@condedepiamonte93 Just speculation on my part. There is a twi'lek Jedi in SWTOR who has the same surname, which is suggestive.

[@condedepiamonte93]

@@Cailus3542 but, isn't the Old Republic like 300 years after the KOTOR events?

[@Cailus3542]

​@@condedepiamonte93 Sure. It's still feasible. Two twi'lek Jedi with the same surname? Why not?

[@Aqueox]

@@Cailus3542I mean, if they’re like the Vietnamese where the N’guyen clan reigns supreme then…

[@Isaacisaperson4677]

Because they were jealous they didn't get a hot toy and Revan did

[@goodwind3190]

Don't forget 2 diffrent Black Series figures and funko pops and a lego minifigure

[@100StarWars]

Understandable tbf...

[@Aqueox]

@@goodwind3190Not sure if he’s talking about Bastila or…

[@DarkLOREDash]

Jedi Council when Revan enters the council chambers "Is this room echo-ey or is it just me?"

[@Shiver_Bane]

Monsters are humans created by humans and they used Revan like a monster to fight another one. The Order wiped his mind to keep him under control and likely keep their hands clean. In the end it didn't work, Revan was more than a traitor they believed him to be. Kriea herself later suggested that Revan choose to be a 'monster' to fight a greater threat that the Jedi failed to recognize/acknowledge. The Order got what it deserves in the end and deserves no sympathy. Hmm, future topics... Dart Bane?

[@MrWill9002]

And cue some 4000 years later and Revan looking at the Jedi of the old order who had passed on. Revan: "I believe this is the part where I say 'I told you so'".

[@matthewchristian9591]

When was he around during the galactic civil war?

[@MrWill9002]

@@matthewchristian9591 I meant in the afterlife you idiot. 🤦‍♂️

[@MrWill9002]

@@matthewchristian9591 I meant in the AFTERLIFE. Isn’t it obvious? 🤦‍♂️

[@matthewchristian9591]

@MrWill9002 not really

[@HYDEinallcaps]

On one hand, a fully redeemed Revan would have more pity than arrogance in response when meeting them, more sad that they didn't understand what he had believed before it was too late, than smugness over his being right. On the other hand, Revan programmed a droid to constantly refer to organic beings as "meatbags" just to piss off his apprentice. He totally would do that.

[@vitorpereira9515]

Because the Jedi council knew Revan was right in fighting the mandalorians. But they were still traumatized by the Great Sith Wars. Have no doubt that if it weren't for Revan, the Republic would have fallen.

[@OdinSmilesRavensLaugh72051]

I wish revan lit up the jedi council like a Christmas tree 😂

[@sisigs4820]

They had seen Exar Kun and Ulic Qel Droma among countless others turn to the dark side, they were afraid Revan and Malak and the new generation of Jedi would do the same.

[@kotwczapce1742]

because he was a hero, because he had friends, because he had love, but most importantly he wasn't their puppet, rather common issue with a jedi

[@TonyAncom]

As a Trekkie and a Star Wars fan, we more than get along. We have merged.

[@ZorroTheWevile]

My girlfriend is a Trekkie, its actually amazing! Great shows and stories.

[@dach829]

I never really understood nor did I ever see it. Pretty sure it was cake

[@ferretmonger0236]

How bout Halo, Starcraft & DRG?

[@doubleupload5620]

They hated him because they waited for the kotor remake and it never came out

[@Soundtracks92]

The council was jealous asf that they weren’t as cool as Revan

[@100StarWars]

Most people aren't tbf...

[@McNyloLT]

This 100%

[@jibril2473]

Jealousy is a path to the dark side..

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

Yep ✅

[@CaffeinatedWolfe]

It always blew my mind just how dogmatic the Jedi Council has been at numerous points in Galactic history. And every time, without fail, it led to their undoing.

[@Cailus3542]

Here's the kicker: whenever the Jedi lost their way, the Force intervened to destroy them, and to allow new Jedi (free of the mistakes of the old) to rise from the ashes. Anakin was created by the Force for that exact reason: to destroy both the Jedi and the Sith.

[@Lorekeeper72]

@@Cailus3542 Think you nailed it and given what the Order was like after their rebuilds, it fits. Of course it does make me wonder why it took the Force so damn long to kick the Galactic Republic Era Jedi (Yoda's bunch) out but maybe it wanted to give them a chance and only stepped it once it became apparent they weren't going to get it.

[@vetarlittorf1807]

He wasn't hated. Atris and a few other conservative Jedi hated him but the Padawans looked up to him.

[@Cailus3542]

Given that Revan was the fellow who kicked off the war, killing millions and murdering hundreds of Jedi...yeah, probably not.

[@Cailus3542]

​@angeligiacomo2292 Youthful naiviete, I think. Jolee and Bastila seem to be the only ones who recognise that Revan didn't change after his memories were lost. It was much more complicated.

[@xanalvarez5323]

He was, it’s explored in detail in the Revan novel.

[@charlesatanasio]

Actually, at that point the philosophy of "no emotions" was far more radical. It was new. The conservatives were behind Revan, technically.

[@GentlemanJacque]

"Twice the pride, double the fall" - Count Dooku Good riddance to the Order I say!

[@100StarWars]

#Nihilusdidnothingwrong

[@lugh0_0]

Revan and Bastila Love story is better than Romeo and Juliet

[@route77productions]

There’s a story to be told about Revan’s son and even grandchildren. How will the Jedi’s hatred of Revan affect his two grandchildren or how will the Republic treat his son(who went into politics) Saddens me that there’s still so much left untold from that era.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Am not a fan of those. Besides, I almost always killed Bastila on the Light Sided route, let alone Romanced Carth or Juhani instead.

[@route77productions]

@@michaelandreipalon359Sure, but that is what was made canon to that era. A novel or graphic novel would’ve been nice.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

@@route77productions Tch, KotOR I and II are better off as ambiguous canon forgotten by the annals of in-universe history, and I loathe even great works like the Darth Plagueis novel for mentioning hated and unnecessary characters like Vitiate.

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

I mean his I believe great granddaughter Satele Shan became the Grand Master of the Order.

[@GOODYGOODGOOD789]

8:02 Anakin would be jealous, what's next is Revan going to get the high-ground.

[@100StarWars]

That gives me an idea...

[@sicor94]

Revan stylin on Anakin is always hilarius.

[@JonStark117]

*The Jedi never fail in being completely oblivious to their own ignorance.*

[@Necromancer4267]

Did the Ancient Sith know about the Star Forge? I would absolutely love to hear your thoughts on this topic. Ajunta Pall alludes quite heavily to the treasure of the Ancient Sith from his era to be the Star Forge, but I have yet to see this referenced anywhere else. I don't believe anyone other than the Rakatta, Revan, and Malak had anything to do with the Star Forge, or even had any knowledge whatsoever about its existence, and yet Pall seems to state otherwise and the Star Map is located within Naga Sadow's tomb, which couldn't have been a coincidence. Continuity error? Plot thread left unresolved?

[@100StarWars]

I can definitely do some digging... but I think it's as you say, a plot thread unresolved or a continuity error.

[@Lorekeeper72]

Doylist thinking says that its just an error or something unresolved. Watsonian however, it could be that Ajunta Pall was aware of the Star Forge or some other Rakatan technology but never figured out where any of it was. This makes sense given that the Sith species on Korriban had previously chased the Rakatans offworld and probably had some records of them to say nothing of partial map of the Star Forge. Pall was also a lot closer to the Infinite Empire Era than Revan was and predates the destruction of Ossus so maybe he had read an ancient record that spoke of them and/or the Force Wars.

[@Necromancer4267]

@@Lorekeeper72 Yeah it's just very odd for him to claim it was their ultimate secret and something they killed themselves over when literally none of them had ever even been tangentially close to it whatsoever.

[@djcody492]

I would love to see a video going over the Knights of the Old Republic comics (not Tales of the Jedi)

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Those need more love.

[@JediKnightIlona]

What ever happened to following the Jedi Code? Jedi aren't suppose to hate because that's one of the negative emotions that leads to the dark side.

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

Rules for thee and not me young padawan learner

[@TomatoFettuccini]

I believe the phrase you're looking for is "petty jealousy".

[@100StarWars]

A fair summary I'd say.

[@Mulluns]

This makes doing the Dark Side ending in the first game a lot easier, save for killing Jolee, Mission and Zalbaar. But I have ZERO sympathy for any of the Jedi Masters in the first and second game and they deserved their dark fates.

[@DarthRevan-cs9pn]

They used Bastila just as much as they used Revan. I always go dark side because freedom. And retribution.

[@majk173]

Their teachings have resulted in absolute arrogance, and this has also become their undoing. That is why in the end the Sith always had the upper hand, for the Jedi never see beyond themselves. To answer your question about topic for a new video: I would REALLY like to see theory video about what do you think happened to Jolee Bindo. Why do you think he did not stay with the Jedi? Or why did not he help the Exile fight Nihilus? Do you think he died on Katarr?

[@Cailus3542]

A point: so long as the Jedi stayed true to their beliefs, they would always (inevitably) prevail. It's only when they wavered that problems arose. As for Jolee? I suspect that Bastila was very wary of the Jedi Masters. They had lost their way. After the initial assassinations by the Sith, or after Katar, I suspect that she ushered her friends and allies to go into hiding. They might even have stayed with the younglings, to protect and teach them. This might've been at the Jedi Temple on Coruscant or a hideout. Either way, none of the Jedi Masters knew that Bastila was alive, likely a deliberate choice by her. I see no reason why the others wouldn't survive too. These Jedi, along with the Exile and her companions, would form the foundation of the new Jedi Order.

[@aamirrazak3467]

Revan proved the council wrong, and was willing to take action to defend the republic from the mandalorians, as were the Jedi exile and those who followed him. The council probably resented that he disobeyed them and made them look foolish

[@dynomitethis]

Today, a star-trek ad in a starwars video, tomorrow, the world!

[@100StarWars]

I am chaos.

[@dach829]

Is there a more impact for force use revan basically reformed the jedi and through his holocron to Bane reformed the sith.

[@sophiacousland3452]

Much like the Dwarves of Orzammar in Dragon Age, the Jedi Council was too set in their ways to realize that their archaic, stagnant nature was leading them to their downfall. Neither the Dwarves nor the Jedi Council were willing to see that things had to change or they were not going to survive. The Dwarves failed their people because they were suppressing the poor and not giving them the opportunity to better themselves, and restricting access and trade with the surface was only making problems worse. The Jedi Council failed so many Jedi because they kept preaching about suppressing emotions instead of finding healthy ways to work through them. The Jedi Council was also jealous and cautious of those who were extremely powerful and talented, meaning those who were not easily controlled.

[@Cailus3542]

Which is exactly why the Force created Anakin, to bring balance to the Force. Or, to put it another way: to destroy the Jedi and Sith alike, allowing a new generation of Jedi to rise, free of their predecessors' mistakes.

[@georgesuarez8325]

I think the reasons the Jedi hated Revan was because of the things he did during the Mandalorian Wars, falling to the dark side and becoming a Sith lord that caused the Jedi Civil War and his relationship with Bastila Shan Don't forget Star Wars fans that tomorrow is the season finally of the Bad Batch!!!!! I seriously hope we don't lose Hunter, Wrecker and Echo. Will Ventress return to train Omega in the ways of the force?

[@arturohernandez5857]

Luke Jedi order from legends is more open minded 😎😎

[@Spartan-do7dv]

Jacen solo should have been the modern Revan. Jaina could have saved him. But that series was bad luke was like Jacen is too evil he killed my wife I can't go after him as that would lead me to the dark side but let's send his twin sister who is very force connected with him and have her kill him perfect plan. Lets not forget that vader was redeemable even after all the things he did but jacens to far gone. It was a bad story that could have been done differently or skipped entirely it had good points in it but it was basically a modern original trilligy remake. But the series after that could have been led into a modern SWTOR MMO (Star Wars The New Republic SWTNR or somthing like that😅) the Sith empire essentially was back and had their own forces and were building them even bigger. They could have made them rival Lukes jedi order and the New Republic by the time the game took place and then the player could pick sides and meet the old characters it would have been awesome. But alas it twas not to be😢.

[@guzylad5]

Can you cover more of the Yuuzhan Vong?

[@100StarWars]

It's not really a strongsuit of mine, but I can certainly consider it!

[@MBP1918]

He showed them what true protectors of peace and justice looked like

[@nicholasdelgado85]

Future video ideas: Kotor 1 & 2 armor lore Why are energy shields not prevelant in prequel star wars but are in kotor? If these are already talked about on this channel or another I'd love to see the video, please. Great video as always!!!

[@fal4366]

Upon watching this I am considering that Cal might be taking the revan path. Balancing emotions.

[@bloodwolf21]

Darkside EVERY TIME! The Star Forge infinite army Bastila and her Battle Meditation Sith army on korriban The ending is too legendary to pass up lol

[@JabamiLain]

I used to think the Darkside would be the better ending to choose. But ironically enough, making a gameplay composed with half of the game's Darkside options actually made choosing the Lightside ending feel far more rewarding. I felt like I was creating the proto-Separatist movement, leaving behind both the Jedi and the Sith. I was filled with pride. Still, in the second game, I'm gonna say I was a Darksider, because I think half the choices I made would make lots of people distrustful of me, twisting my story a little. That, and I think my Revan is more prone to let his old persona out, even after leaving the Sith behind, so I imagine I had more company when going to the Unknown Regions. Thank you One for giving me your army. Me and my companions will use it well.

[@General_Kenobi_212]

One thing I love to do is play mostly lightside but pick the darkside ending. It shows Revan always made his own choices, and that he didn't really "fall," just like Kreia said. He wasn't a psychopath like most Sith. He didn't get off on mindless cruelty. He picked the Sith because he knew tactically that the galaxy would be better off with someone like him running it, and with the vast armadas of the Star Forge protecting it. Plus he obviously would have been feeling betrayed by the Jedi anyways since finding out what they did to his mind. For all he knew when Malak was gone they could have easily been planning to turn on him and Bastila as well, with that "for the greater good" excuse....

[@McNyloLT]

I actually laughed when I heard the sponsor of this video. Absolutely brilliant

[@100StarWars]

*Ironic*

[@joshuaolsen5125]

Would love to see a video exploring each planet's notable interesting features or notable side quests from the game.

[@100StarWars]

Thanks for the suggestion!

[@joshuaolsen5125]

The criminal trial in Manaan and the compound in Dantooine were childhood favourites. Loved exploring Kashyyyk and Korriban.

[@sw-gs]

Revan: I've Destroyed Star Forge and killed Malak Jedi Order: You are hero. Revan: You know I plan to marry Bastila and by the way she is pregnant. Jedi Order: You are Monster.

[@kbnt776]

I have always been interested in Malachor V , an origin story about Trayas academy , its construction and exploration of the timeline when the Sith Triumvirate discovered it , a video about that would be cool. I don't really count TOR as canon tbh , and the beautiful writing of being betrayed , the scar/echo it causes all of us, i think that is a very universal thing, Chris avellone was a genius.

[@100StarWars]

Same... It's a shame it's all pretty obscure though.

[@evilm4dn3z62]

If Disney were to greenlight a KOTOR film or TV show (heck, even a trilogy), how would you storyboard and structure it in best keeping with the comics, books, and video games etc. ?

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Comics and books instead. Video games and animated series would lead to jarring continuity lockout.

[@Hello-bi1pm]

I would keep it a game, games are more popular entertainment now anyway

[@Cailus3542]

KOTOR could work as an animated show in the same vein as TCW and Rebels, starting with the Mandalorian Wars.

[@danielmatusevich1925]

Love your videos man I've told all I can about your greatness of videos

[@100StarWars]

I appreciate that!

[@Dany100.0]

Amazing video, great content, as a recommendation you said I´d really like to see you once make like a video if you havent allready about Nihilus and his bond(´s) either to Kreia or as some say also revan and also theretically a path to know where revan went after KOTOR 1 in the outer regions. Love your vids.💯💯

[@100StarWars]

Thanks for the idea!

[@Dabuddah]

You wanna know what I wanna see? Alright... I wanna see something with Starkiller. Like your thoughts on him, do you think Revan would have had a good impact on him... etc

[@Gatekeeper201]

Revan killed Starkiller. 😂

[@majinjason]

The prequel Jedi believe the same as Revan. Anakin tells Padme as much in Episode 2. But they seem to take a middle ground approach to it. Still no marriage, for the most part. And while you should love and are encouraged to love, no bonds or passion allowed.

[@DMBLaan]

A topic I'd like to hear your opinion on is "Other Starforges", in a somewhat theory and somewhat evidence kind of video. Logically there has to have been more than the 4 we've seen, possibly 5, but I'm not sure if the Infinite Engine we see in SWTOR is from a "known" Starforge or a different piece of Rakatan tech.

[@100StarWars]

I've been considering this!

[@DMBLaan]

@@100StarWars I'd watch it for sure lol

[@craigamills7276]

What I always find is the Jedi never learn from their mistakes, emotions aren't bad they are taught to become droids in not feeling anything and this weakens them they lose sight of things. Only Luke's Jedi changed for better until Disney destroyed that.

[@sisigs4820]

I think only the more Veteran Jedi looked down on Revan because he reminded them of Exar Kun and how he and countless jedi who followed him turned to the dark side, and the countless jedi that were slaughtered in the Great Sith Wars, many of the jedi on the council during the time of Revan had lived through all that. So when they looked at Revan they saw a potential repeat of all that and wanted to avoid it, but unlike Exar Kun, Revan wanted to help people while Exar Kun was only out for himself. The new generation of jedi however that had followed Revan into the Mandalorian wars looked up to Revan.

[@Kishimyu]

They hate him cause they ain't him.

[@100StarWars]

Understandable tbh

[@DarthRevan-cs9pn]

They hated Jesus because he told them the truth

[@VMX9999]

How the Jedi Council survived up until Revenge of the Sith, I uave no idea.

[@PeteTemplar101]

Probably because they could sense that the fandom would miss the point of his character and hold him up as an example of the "middle path"

[@Zamppa86]

I would love to see, hear and learn more about Darth Zannahh. What happened after the books when she was the sith Master?

[@mickmack1409]

Hmm, thanks for the video. I enjoyed it. As for ideas on new KotOR vids, I always found the background and lore of the Old Republic time period fascinating. Reminds me a bit of the Mandalorian tv series time period. The big bad enemies are crushed, but things are still in flux. The Power vacuum has yet to be filled. I also want a more satisfying resolution to Revan and the Exile's tales. The small crumbs of Kreia's deathbed predictions are a start, but there are so many possibilities to explore. The novels and SWtoR games didn't resolve the tales to my satisfaction. So if you really want to grab my attention, perhaps speculation on these areas will prove fruitful.

[@heylolp9]

A Thing to always be considered is that The Jedi Order is, despite their access to the Force, still is just a Religion

[@cheffdonty]

They hated him after KOTOR because he massacred a ton of Jedi and Republic soldiers at the Star Forge 😎

[@N8TheGreatG]

Just wanted you to know this is the only star wars channel I watch anymore. Disney star wars killed star wars and I love the old republic so thank you!

[@100StarWars]

I appreciate your continued support!

[@lifelessperson1993]

1. Did the female Exile love Mical or Atton? 2. Is T3 OP? 3. What would a war of Jedi, Mandalorians and “Sith” vs the True Sith look like?

[@habloverdi7047]

10:00 I want to know more about civilian life within the Palpatine's empire.

[@insaniam_convertunt_scientiam]

Might have something to do with a Darth Revan crossing off almost all the old Jedi. That might make people grumpy.

[@denen404]

Watching videos about kotor makes me want to replay it...for like the 20th time rofl 🤣

[@royalewithbees6541]

Hearing that council all got obliterated after the way they treated my boy Revan honestly had me grinning like the Cheshire Cat lol

[@The_Bear_Adventures]

I'd love a full background video on either carth onasi and his family including Saul or a complete history of the ebon hawk. A lore video about czerka or the exchange would also be interesting.

[@100StarWars]

I sort of have lore videos on both the Exchange and Czerka!

[@williamwall3403]

He literally split the Order and ended up bringing it close to complete destruction before the Exile was able to resurrect it.

[@JabamiLain]

Yes. Because the Jedi couldn't impose authority. When Revan went to war, they just disconnected completely. They did not even try to interfere, come up with diplomatic missions as the Mandalorians got weaker. They just let Revan do his thing, judging him later. They are weak and pompuous. No better than the greedy and short sighted Sith.

[@williamwall3403]

@@JabamiLain it was mainly because he had so completely corrupted the Order by the start of his revolt that the Order could not operate effectively since no one knew who to trust anymore.

[@CheddaToastPlus]

A cool topic I'd like to see would be how the Jedi Exile formed the Jedi Order from Revans teachings. As briefly mentioned towards the end of this Video. That would be an interesting continuation topic to go off from! Also great video, been looking forward to another one of these types of videos on the channel now. Going back to when I first Subbed to your channel. Thank you for your videos!

[@Cailus3542]

I don't think that the Exile would've used Revan's teachings, for a variety of reasons. They were friends for a time, yes, but that was before Malachor V. More likely, the Exile used her own experience and wisdom to rebuild the Order, with a dab of Kreia here and there. Bastila certainly contributed too.

[@AncestorEmpire1]

Hate? Maybe. Envious of his success? Yes being the absolute in this case.

[@manfrommontreal]

Great video!

[@100StarWars]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@DarthRevan-cs9pn]

One of the reasons why i always do the dark side ending

[@PJSO]

Damn if he wasn't tired after that fight for the galaxy I'm sure he would have started his own order of Love-Jedi. I like to imagine it would have aligned with Luke Skywalkers order.

[@amarcellus1714]

Revan, Qui-Gon, Luke (EU version) and Kyle Katarn are the ideal Jedi.

[@jibril2473]

There’s nothing better than some new Kotor content 😌

[@100StarWars]

You know it!

[@BADSOI]

Amazing video as always! Love that you're working to keep this area of star wars lore alive and well! As for video ideas the psychology behind these games has always been super fascinating. TSL has been deconstructed so many times but I think the commentary on the Jedi order in the first game is often overlooked. Like, they erased your identity. Did they have any right to? Then for them to condemn you after everything you did for them is crazy.

[@100StarWars]

I kind of have a video like this called 'Why Revan's Redemption was a Dark Lie'!

[@LJ-qq8lx]

Really happy to seem you jump back into some lore! Are you gonna continue the facts series?

[@100StarWars]

Possibly... though I'm very sad how poorly the first episode performed :((

[@michaelandreipalon359]

​@@100StarWarsFirst episode?

[@ricardoquintero7160]

To my knowledge, Yuthura Ban was conceptualized as a potential companion in the game. Is there any information on what kind of storylines would come from her addition and also how would it have affected the atmosphere on the ship to have a former Sith as a member of the crew.

[@emanueltwr]

The Jedi Exile is criminally underrated!

[@100StarWars]

That she is.

[@zanepennington2999]

What I find funny is the jedi always talk about meditating and knowledge. You know, being the best you can be and all that. But they've never been able to look inward and reflect on themselves. Centuries of the same dogmatic ways and then wonder why everything goes wrong.

[@100StarWars]

hypocrisy at its finest.

[@majk173]

Exactly!

[@Cailus3542]

It's actually a core tenet of Jedi philosophy, as explained by Anakin in ROTS. They look outward, transcending the self. That's fine for many Jedi (Qui-Gon, Obi-wan, etc.), but not all. It's why Jedi philosophy isn't wrong, exactly, merely incomplete. Hilariously, Sidious knows this to some degree.

[@majesticmsfc]

Anything Mara Jade related I love. Keep up the good work.

[@mikeor-]

Atris: What makes you think I would do anything to help you? You defied the Jedi Council, betrayed the Republic, and slaughtered millions of innocent people during the Mandalorian Wars and the past war! That is not the Jedi way, and you know that! Be thankful we at least made you a Master, otherwise, we would have expelled you from the Jedi Order altogether for the crimes you wrought against us... I haven’t seen or spoken to Meetra Surik since the day of her exile. I don’t know where she went, and I hope I never find out. I also hope I never speak to her again, and neither should you, of all people! She was so close to the Mass Shadow Generator, that she would have died had she not severed her connection to the Force. In the Force, she is already dead, thanks to you! You’re not welcome here, Revan! Go back home to your wife!

[@ArtofGuilt]

When i was younger, jedi seem cool. By the time I was 18, I thought the jedi stupid. After learning about kreia around 2006 when I played the game, i realized she was the most insightful. I felt sorry for her character and always tried to do the neutral ending...

[@YungPapiiChulo-_-]

speak on marka ragnos and tennebrae

[@StarMandoForge]

The tragedy of Revan the prodigy knight

[@mariogarcia7445]

The video: Star Wars. The sponsor: Star Trek. Purists: _"TrAiToOoOoOoORR!!!"_ 🤣

[@100StarWars]

The hilarious irony of it is the reason I took the sponsor!

[@mariogarcia7445]

@@100StarWars Hahahaha! Well played 👍

[@Markymarkyanarchy]

I would like to see a long, in depth, sort of VS, comparison of Revan and Tulak Hord. Just for fun...

[@JabamiLain]

Truth be told, post "KOTOR 1" Revan was kinda short sighted, which is why he failed in multiple ways in his goals after the first game. That's why I prefer my version of Revan, the one who chose Lightside after a gameplay filled with Darkside choices. He's kinda Count Dooku, before Count Dooku was born. He has more of his old persona's traits, but he doesn't serve the Sith. He may have created a somewhat Separatist movement, but he isn't trying to go to war. He, his Rakata and the supporters are kinda their own thing.

[@zachall101]

Hate IS NOT supposed to be the Jedi way 🤦‍♂️😂😂

[@BurningEarthProductions]

100%SW: "Today's sponsor is a Star Trek game!" Palpatine: "Ironic." Luke, my question is, if you had the full backing of Disney, LucasArts and other companies, what kind of Star Wars video game would you make? Can be anything, choose your own writers, voice actors, studio to work with, etc.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

A full reimagining of X-Wing Alliance, complete with missions up to the Liberation of Coruscant and Uncle Antan getting a karmic warranty, alongside legacy missions set during the Thrawn campaign and even the Yuuzhan Vong War.

[@ancientking224]

While I didn't blame the Council for still distrusting Revan, afterall even if they did mind wipe him this was still the former Dark Lord of the Sith that led to a majority of the Jedi orders members. He did order the mass death on Malachor V, but he didn't cause the destruction of Taris or Telos IV as that was all on Darth Malak. That said had been because of that then it would make sense, the problem is that it's because of people like Vrook or Atris just didn't accept his views. That they were so bitter and angry because he didn't entirely agree with their religion, honestly it makes sense why Revan grew so tired with the Jedi.

[@Bored_Barbarian]

10:10 Honestly, assuming the light side ending of KOTOR and that’s cannon with TOR Online, how did the Jedi properly fall? I’ve played KOTOR 2 but from what I recall it’s just a vague “well the sith remnants kept fighting and folks died on both sides then the triumvirate wrapped up the rest” It just seems…odd from a lore POV especially with the ending of KOTOR 1. I think atton’s convo at the beginning on Peragus is the only mention offhand.

[@100StarWars]

Darth Nihilus killed them all on Katarr, and Darth Sion then used the assassins to hunt down any stragglers.

[@Bored_Barbarian]

@@100StarWars thanks. 🫂 it’s been a decade+ since my last KOTOR 2 playthrough. Was going to grab on switch but after that whole debacle I abstained.

[@thomasmyers4661]

Make a video about Darth Bane and his disgust with the Brotherhood of Darkness and how this new Sith Order was an insult in Bane's eyes of how a Sith Lord should be.

[@thebrowneyesofmandalore]

Can you please make a video explaining the source of the Sith Triumvirate? Like where the 3 Sith were during KOTOR 1 and how they emerged afterwards. We’re they part of Malak’s army? How did they destroy the Jedi so effectively while Malak before them couldn’t? I have so many questions regarding the gap between the two games the even the Revan book doesn’t answer for me.

[@gabrielandjavierpinales3689]

Revan is the reason that the Sith Empire he created was destroyed. With his new reformation ideas, the Jedi Order would have been powerful, but the council was too arrogant and dogmatic to change their ways. Kotor 2 perfectly showed that the Jedi are not the heroes that the films portrayed them. But soulless and dogmatic people who viewed themselves self important and above all others. They never investigated why the Mandalorians attacked the Republic and why Revan fell after saving the Republic. They chose to sit by and do nothing. That's why Exile and his crew were worthy to be Jedi after the old ones. Like the Exile, they were lost souls that needed guidance and true directions. This is what made them True Jedi.

[@leohale6449]

Sorry no suggestions, but I wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed this video.

[@100StarWars]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@condedepiamonte93]

Further topic: go inside the War of Exar Kun/The Great Sith War And how it did a domino effect From the Empress Theta System crisis all the way into the Jedi Civil War

[@JabamiLain]

Truth be told, post "KOTOR 1" Revan was kinda short sighted, which is why he failed in multiple ways in his goals after the first game. That's why I prefer my version of Revan, the one who chose Lightside after a gameplay filled with Darkside choices. He's kinda Count Dooku, before Count Dooku was born. He has more of his old persona's traits, but he doesn't serve the Sith. He may have created a somewhat Separatist movement, but he isn't trying to go to war. He, his Rakata and the supporters are kinda their own thing.

[@jonpalsson4755]

Did..... 100% Star Wars just advertise Star Trek in their Star Wars video? :O

[@100StarWars]

I am chaos.

[@williamwitte773]

I think it would be cool if you dove into the Mass Effect games and lore as they are some of bio where greatest works, and in my opinion, some of the best video games ever made. It is rich and Laura and storytelling and is also made by by aware and I love how in-depth your research is, and would like to hear your perspective. Jade Empire is another great game. Just an idea.