Why Did Tweek and MKLeo Fall Off?

[@playboybrendo103]

My goats whether they win or lose , no one has the level of skill/knowledge of smash like them. Such an inspiration honestly.

[@zumirelix]

For sure. So annoying seeing people shit talk them when they still have some of the most wins throughout the life of this game.

[@nofriendsclub69]

Well said, bro ✌️

[@ThumperYo]

Imo their mastery and ability to win with multiple characters should factor into their goat status. Compared to someone like sonix who is only good with sonic. Sparg0 is the only up and comer who can also do it like them

[@playboybrendo103]

@@ThumperYo that’s what I just said lol

[@1tresequis]

that's how you know the title is clickbait

[@adamquenano8563]

It is great seeing how comfortable Leo has been doing all these shows and interviews, not many former #1 players did this much for their game aside from Hbox.

[@jilvermazariegos]

Zero was very good on the mic too

[@thatdude3977]

Hbox lowkey sabotaging ultimate meta...

[@Liquid12322]

@@thatdude3977 why?

[@harpot678]

I mean No.1 Hbox is so different from Content Hbox

[@BocchitheGwak]

@@thatdude3977???? Explain

[@owenicewater9704]

Saying Tweek “fell off” is kind of crazy considering that this is maybe his best year of smash since 2019, but regardless of that, I love the way that this show is evolving and the direction it’s going in to focus on Leo, the guest, and general relevant topics in a way that balances out very well.

[@coccilecolloptere1391]

I mean he was 2nd in the world and now he’s not anymore so that’s fair to say that he fell off

[@fiber1881]

I think it is fair to say he did rankings wise though. Tweek used to always be considered a top 3 player and he is not really in consideration for that right now according to most. Top 3 is basically Acola, Miya, and Spargo for sure right now. I am not even sure you would place him in the top 5 ahead of Sonix and Glutonny right now either. And Light and Zomba are right there with him in USA now. Tweek used to be considered easily the best in the USA and while he may still be it isn't by much.

[@greedo194]

​@@fiber1881pretty sure gluto is considered 3rd rn

[@TheKABE09]

Maybe not anymore, but Tweek had a big slump past Summit 3 and just a year ago started to do as good as he has

[@ryanrech107]

@@greedo194he’s not atm by most but there’s certainly a good argument for it

[@HiFive99]

If these two had a podcast it would be amazing. Sparg0 guest on this would go WILD

[@steezymnk]

Frfr

[@willdg8108]

Tweek’s skill as a podcaster has improved so substantially it’s honestly insane. he sounds so comfortable and fluid now

[@JackBz]

Easily the best luminosity video yet. Could watch hours of these guys talking about smash

[@arturoandres2]

The amount of respect and admiration these 2 have for each other is truly the true mark of sportsmanship. Hope to see them do well this weekend, they still have that 🔥. Let's go my 🐐s!

[@thelordoftheweebs9501]

Can't wait until they wrap their tongues together

[@bluehunt3436]

Very well said!!! I was wondering why watching this made me so happy but you hit the nail on the head. Some of the best sportsmanship I’ve ever seen between two great people and players 🩵

[@DrWavy-fq2qk]

This been a LONG TIME COMIN! Hear about these two talking behind the scenes at so many tournaments but never on cam, so this is nothing less than a treat

[@WalrusPNG]

Y’all two need ur own podcast. Genuinely great episode

[@Spyder-Marth]

Tweek & MKLeo are both awesome. If either of you see this comment, thank you for everything. Thank you for being good role models in the community, thank you for shaping the meta the way it is, and thank you for showing everyone how hype Smash can be. When you two play, I feel a type of excitement I hardly feel anywhere else. Win or lose, you two are the GOATs. Also, thank you Luminosity for sponsoring these amazing players. Thank you for sticking with Smash even after Nintendo's Guidelines, and thank you for all of this good KZbin! I think Smash would actually be dead if it wasn't for this organization.

[@im_Spade_]

Couldn't have said it better myself ❤

[@j_sol2550]

Forever my GOATS. Nothing beats having watched their Evo set for the first time. I was just getting into watching smash and it is the reason why I love it so much

[@sleeplesscarp]

Best episode so far. It's hard to put into words the rivalry, comradery and respect these two have for each other. I can't but thing of Mang0 vs Armada and how sad it'd be if one of them stopped competing. Gotta keep that fire alive.

[@cordy5849]

Here’s the thing: these two are my favorite players. I DO NOT care if people say they fell off (I don’t think they did they’re both still top ten imo). I’m going to watch whenever they play, I’m going to root for them, and I’m stoked to see them at tournaments. They are and will always be the Great Gods of Smash

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

Tweek is doing better than last year overall, this title is just a lie lol. He's having a great year.

[@rohannambiar6564]

@@legrandliseurtri7495 I think they mean relative to where they were pre-covid era

[@alvaroguel9623]

@@rohannambiar6564exactly. And you can also argue because these guys don’t settle for anything less than #1. MAMBA MENTALITY

[@marlinmurrell620]

I feel like when we say they fell off, we really mean they went from top 5 players to top 10 players lmao

[@eragon78]

Well, "fell off" relative to their peak. Leo was #1 for like 5 years, so being "just" top 10 is a bit of a downgrade. In fact, his results this season may not even be good enough for top 10, he's more like top 15, just shy of that top 10 placement. he'd need like a top 3 at a P tier or something to really cement him as a top 10 right now before the season is over. Leo hasnt actually even won a major in a while now. Not even like an A tier. Tweek hasnt really fallen off though imo. He's like, SLIGHTLY lower ranking wise, instead of being #2/#3, he's like in the 5-7 range. But he's still pretty much one of the biggest threats in smash right now so hardly a drop off. But he still wins events even.

[@Casual_Shots]

Shoutout to production! Audio, lighting, editing, and angles are all so on point. This would easily be the greatest smash podcast series we’ve ever had.

[@jms214az]

U can't have Ultimate without Leo and Tweek can't wait to see what is next for yall Stay Blessed Leo and Tweek

[@NotorV23]

i love seeing tweek give mk leo his flowers unabashedly. no one is there to cut in and make a joke and it was just really nice and sweet. I didn't realize how much of an impact mk leo has had on tweek cause of the competitive narrative

[@camro14]

This podcast was beautiful. The smash community needs more of this please.

[@tally.klecko]

Wow what a great interview and dynamic. It’s really cool seeing leo get more comfy in front of the camera and carrying himself in a more confident way. Love these guys and their history and for what’s to come 🍻

[@ItchyBurritoMiniAltThingy]

Hungry Helper

[@Asnerlicious]

I loved getting this back and forth between the great rivals. Both of these players have been pioneers in so many different characters in the current meta. I know your rankings or seedings aren't as high as they were. But what you should remember is this simple fact: If Leo or Tweek won the next major it would be no great shock. Seed them wherever you want, they are a lifetime. threat. At any and every tournament they show to. Also, know that during quarantine every local had some players studying Tweek and Leo's habits by vods. No doubt. I love how you guys love the game. Your relationship of challenging each other has pushed each other to be a better player. And it's so cool to see there is no bitterness in the rivalry after all this time.

[@TurtonatorGuy]

I fricken love these two, I could listen to them all day! I love that they're on the same team and are friends! They're so cute and sweet together and you can see how much they respect and value one another. I legit almost cried when they talked about how they'd be lonely if the other stopped competing! It's always a pleasure to see them together, be it in bracket or just chatting!

[@joshuadavis8265]

Top tier luminosity! I could listen to a 3 hour pod cast with these two.

[@tigrrr2132]

this was such a great watch. tweek and leo are truly the modern day hbox mango

[@ClockWorksb]

I’m so glad these 2 are still around, I’ve been here since Tweek was playing Jr and Mkleo’s big breakthrough at Smash factor 4 in 2015 so it’s cool to see where they’re at now

[@omae_wa_mou_x]

Mkleo's optimistic outlook on the game is so inspiring. It's crazy people hate on him for losing when he's still on the grind and wants to win.

[@strides777]

I love listening to their conversation. They have great chemistry with each other.

[@Lerkero]

Its not really that they fell off, its that they raised the bar so that other players could come to their level. The playing field is more even now

[@sikone831]

tweek didnt fall off and leo just fell off being #1..leo still gets amazing results its just not #1...doesnt mean they suck, means the bar they set for themselves is hard to reach.

[@DGSnowolf]

I mean if "fell off" refers to falling off in results then Leo did fall off

[@sikone831]

@@DGSnowolf yes ur right..damn ahaha wow

[@falseinfo5734]

@@DGSnowolffr 😂

[@LordGriffith]

Loving goat talk more each iteration, already a fan of tweel talks but watching Leo here makes me want to see him do these more often, love his insight about the scene/players etc. Hope these become regular or Leo ends up joining or even making his own podcast!

[@CyanPHD]

I have a strange feeling next year we're gonna have 12 Tweek vs MkLeo Grand Finals. Let's go goats! Been following both since the smash 4 days and honestly just glad both are still here and competing, win or lose they'll forever be some of the greatest rivalry, greatest competitors, greatest players the scene had ever seen

[@__BlacklotuS__]

fall off? idk if that's the best title for these guys, these two are goats they'll never "fall off"

[@Drake5002]

Favorite two players. So humble. Good energy. The community could learn a lot from these guys. Regardless of placement these 2 will remain my favorite smash players

[@darkdraconis]

How can you listen to this and not have the biggest grin on your face. You just gotta love these two my GOATS

[@paulgrewal587]

I’m shocked these guys are so young. As a 32 year old, their maturity is impressive to me. I guess all the travelling, competition etc. pushes you to your limits in every way.

[@snxgggyyyboards7869]

W pfp

[@cloutdadFR]

bro this production quality is CRAZY

[@im_Spade_]

I relate so much to Tweek and his mentality. How does Leo do it? One of the best things about leo is he's just so damn chill about everything, but still strives to stay on top. It's genuinely mindblowing, and I'd say most of us would agree it's insane how goated his behavior and sportsmanship is.

[@remiguy5319]

what a great show. Love from France ! We love to see you coming there !

[@chibimoon1432]

I'll always love the days of early ultimate and these two dominating the rankings. Because back then I was in highschool and all my friends we gathered around to play smash. It was my first smash game I played competitive style instead of casual, and created some of the most fun days in school! Ofc learning about Mkleo, Tweek, Light, and Void(my fav at the time) really pushed to dive deeper into the game. I'll never forget the day joker released and how excited I was and then watching Leo vs Tweek at evo 2019!! Definitely nostaligic😊

[@zer0luink]

Good interview so awesome that they acknoledge how much of an impact they have made to one another and everything. Hope they both make it to grand finals this next tourney that would be great!

[@lacchiappacolore44]

In person podcast is the way, great stuff

[@MelloFlowz]

Good interview. Respectable players in a crazy environment no doubt. Thx for takin pics with me in Miami. Stay up!

[@trevorcuzner3358]

In my opinion...top two players in smash period. Always the most fun to watch and definitely defines what it means to be chill human beings and amazing competitors. Great to see the old school still thriving to be the best and continue a long rivalry and friendship. Evolve, evolve evolve.

[@hecty8667]

Best smash podcast episode I’ve ever watched, great stuff could watch these two talk forever it’s so insightful

[@panosbaxevanos788]

Thanks Luminosity for supporting the Smash scene and giving these amazing/ talented individuals work to keep up a living playing the game we all love. A lot of respect to these two legends, Smash easily has the best Pros in all of esports. The skill, the humble attitudes, and the passion they share with fans makes it a community I want to be in.

[@fijizzle]

Tweek is articulate AF. Really appreciate the depths of his views on the game and life itself!

[@jayjigga]

NEED more long-form content between these two

[@sergeantcrunchy]

Major props on the production. Better than most podcast type things, not even for just esports

[@tropicalmonix1038]

Genuinely appreciate this one. Undeniable passion from both of these guys just talking about smash. Great conversation

[@CoHzus]

LOL the IDK HELP ME at 13:25 was so gold hahaha, love these 2

[@federicoforabosco6955]

I feel like these 2 are extremely knowledgeable in smash ultimate in different way. Tweek focuses more on the mental side and new ideas and creativity while leo is more instinctual and tries to simplify the game to how he likes it. Its really fascinating to me

[@erikrevier4053]

Very excited to watch this weekend. Best of luck to you both. Here's to a LG GF. Cheers!

[@bananas_toast]

this shit made me tear up I love y’all so much

[@victini_10]

love these two, pls have more episodes like this

[@AroundWayOther]

this was great to watch, tyvm to tweek leo and LG for doing this! super insightful

[@SAMX2007]

What a nice and chill talk, these 45min went by fast

[@Geeving2130]

I'll NEVER forget evo 2019. Always a tweek fan so that hurt but my god do these two put on a show. Ult just isn't the same nowadays

[@xjayEra]

i've always wondered how the top crop really thought about steve and this was super interesting to hear from them. i actually really liked this segment! thank you LG!

[@TonyStorm21]

The idea of a "LG Invading Trip" sounds awesome and it would probably be cheaper than flying them individually.

[@darthrambo1454]

Damn that was such a beautiful podcast between goats

[@NoteFlakez]

33:00 thats how mang0 felt when armada left melee

[@DekuScrub_]

i haven't followed competitive ultimate since 2021 but no matter what, leo and tweek will always be the goats of ultimate to me

[@WHizzSSB]

Will always be top player in my eyes. Looking forward to seeing them win in the future.

[@crazykhespar8487]

Mutual interview between homies = dope

[@xg.55555]

Tweek didnt fall off. He is actually doing really good right now. Only people who are dangerous are the japanese

[@stenettedavis68]

This is a sport, reaction time and muscle speed reduce over time. The ability to track small movements are also impacted over time

[@jasiahcrider6418]

Also these guys are so humble, i love when they talk they shit 😂 they deserve that ! I hate when people talk down on them like they aint pave the way for a lot of smash ultimate..

[@James-yf7nq]

Leo's podcast publicly available on youtube now is dope but uhhh maybe yall could put "Goat Talks:" in front of the titles so that it's actually clear that this is Leo's podcast. Like friends of mine who didn't already know that he had a podcast just assumed this was a video LG put out dragging their own players instead of Leo's podcast lol

[@ThrusterMcBuster]

So cool to take a look back I started getting into the game at the same time these guys dominated and it’s crazy to see all that has changed

[@jpupper428]

Leo will always be the GOAT in my heart

[@AiZm8]

yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaah let's go i love the leo tweek content holy shit Tweek and Leo Japan content double invasion would be SICKKKK

[@isaacldi2643]

I hope we'll get more videos like that where it's just 2 top players or more having a free form discussion

[@theincredibleillmo9385]

Just remember these 2 guys are the real gods of Smash Ultimate so far. 🇲🇽❤️🇺🇸

[@storm7929]

Now this is goat talk

[@jonteguy]

I am praying we get the old MKLeo vs Tweek grands.

[@jimmycreighton4344]

To tweek: Manchego can be found in the US at most stores. Walmart, Trader Joe’s, and even Costco has it, but its not always in the most obvious spot. It pairs well with wheat thins and Fig jam.

[@Izual-Anyel]

Obviously the food is the best part of the trip of tweek in Mexico, the Goats talking about mexican food is just *Muack*

[@glexis3137]

These 2 are still my favorite players to watch and will always cheer for them

[@amazingmandrew1830]

this is the only story line Ult needs right. Leo and Tweek back on top.

[@greedo194]

Them in grands at lmmm or port would be the most epic thing ever

[@MHKR250]

Straight up, no matter what happens these two will always be my goats of smash and i know I’m not the only one either, i love watching both of them play and I honestly do personally wish that someday when i start going to tournaments and majors and stuff(if nintendo doesn’t ruin it) i do wanna play them someday

[@Bob.ross22]

What if you don’t need to change what if you need to change it 17:03 -🐐

[@sauce8277]

Tweek: “I’m winging it” *ONE-WINGING it U could say* 🧐

[@MasterAbeer101]

The Luminosity GOATS ❤

[@Alex-sw1fr]

I think the one thing that could help is not switching to maining steve, but playing him long enough to see things you can't do with him.. and taking advantage of that with characters you do play.

[@jollyroger4970]

If leo did a food episode i would watch for sure

[@Erteywie]

The goats take over Japan? Luminosity should definitely get these 2 to Japan for a string of tournaments before the end of Ultimate.

[@purplepotatoes2915]

I'm just imagining a Japanese major with a tweek vs leo grand finals.

[@dingo9696]

never gonna happen lol

[@kappakuppa7255]

@@dingo9696 its not impossible but they would have to be playing the best they ever have

[@BedrockBlocker]

These two are such god ambassadors for the game. Clearly the best in the transition period - and still here.

[@EmptyHand49]

The only players that fell off are all the ones who dropped their mains for Steve

[@jasiahcrider6418]

I feel like seeing tweek play roy would be crazy, they talked a lil bit about it probably would never happen tho 😂. But love to see my goats talkin, great video. Tweek got me into smash, such a good dude !

[@freestylepro1988]

Love you both, respect.

[@EdeYOlorDSZs]

Intelligent conversation, big up!

[@thelordoftheweebs9501]

Two GOATS in one video? You gotta call them gogoat

[@10rayman]

Tweek talks on a Friday baby!

[@thtguyericcc1811]

Awesome Awesome Awesome podcast. We need Leo on tweek talks soon

[@wettuna1769]

lmao the title made me think this was a video by some random smash youtuber wasn't expecting a podcast with tweek and leo but that's the best outcome i coulda got from clicking on this

[@adrianchriste6]

People need to understand these two got studied to the T. Everyone wants to beat them. Everyone will learn matchups and playstyles just to beat them.

[@papaentrenando]

Promising video. Ultimate GOATs!

[@kingrhoam93]

I really hope Tweek wins LMMM, I've wanted to see him win for quite a while now.

[@danielcastano9124]

The GOATS 🐐🔥

[@aaronmartineau]

I feel like no one liked Bayo and Steve is much worse yet people like him. Also as a viewer I don't even watch or care about any finals game with steve in it unless someone I like is playing against him it is really uninteresting. You guys are motivated by real competition and you know deep down it's not a real competition with steve and other characters that make the game uninteresting. I feel like someone has to either just figure out a great steve and sonic counter to change it back, but is changing it worth it? I agree your guys way of smash is so much better and more fun to watch. Please keep playing and don't give up. I would probably never watch the game again if you guys quit.

[@ericgreen6540]

Good shit brodies👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾