Why didn't anyone revive the Holy Roman Empire? (Short Animated Documentary)

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@eggy6815 3 ай бұрын

I like how a big reason the HRE wasn’t brought back was because literally everyone already wanted it gone but couldn’t find a good way to dissolve it.

@TheGhostLegend001 3 ай бұрын

I think that’s partially true. I’m not a historian so don’t take my word for it, but I think the HRE definitely had people who wanted it to be reformed. However the noble establishment in most of the principalities were probably invested in how the current system worked, thus they probably wanted as little change as possible in order to maintain stability and their wealth, status, etc. When the dissolution was forced on them by Napoleon, they had no choice but to adapt to this new system that he set up. Fast forward 8 years, Napoleon’s defeated but the German nobility had been investing in this new system of government, diplomacy, etc for several years now. A return to the HRE way of doing things would now be a disruption and would ruin their investment in the system. So naturally they instead went with the German Confederation, which seemed to align better with their interests. Long story short, the reason the HRE stayed alive for so long is ironically the same reason it stayed dead lol.

@Gamerguy826 3 ай бұрын

Napoleon: What can I say except "You're Welcome"?

@greypilgrim9967 3 ай бұрын

The HRE along with all of it's clubky workings and problems wasn't brought back you say?. What do you call the EU?

@Tinil0 3 ай бұрын

ALMOST everyone. The prince-electors of the smaller electorates had massive outsized power. Especially the archbishops. They were the only ones who really liked the setup.

@natheriver8910 3 ай бұрын

Ideed😂😂

@ElArgelinoBasado1962 3 ай бұрын

Paradox gamers wouldn't have liked to deal with so much bordergore

@hompanit8942 3 ай бұрын

That is paradoxs speciality😅 edit: oh shi I didn't see it said gamers I thought it said developers or something

@DiegoSouto-fy9su 3 ай бұрын

@@hompanit8942 and rescueing your loved one from wolves

@adamlakeman7240 3 ай бұрын

Napoleon confirmed for Paradox gamer.

@meabhmurphy9090 3 ай бұрын

@@hompanit8942 Yeah because the fantasy is fixing it. The appeal of tidying up a cluttered room

@newlineschannel 3 ай бұрын

Pdx and no competitors

@Nekorook 3 ай бұрын

“No border gore” Napoleon was the original paradox gamer.

@TheOGDisco 3 ай бұрын

“Why revive the Holy Roman Empire when you can revive the REAL Roman Empire?” -Mussolini probably

@flyingorange4493 3 ай бұрын

-Also Giuseppe Mazzini, circa 1848

@christopherg2347 3 ай бұрын

"Only in Hearts of Iron alternate History, Mussolini."

@SamFromItalia 3 ай бұрын

"I make a p-p-p-pizza pie" -Mussolini for sure

@2SSSR2 3 ай бұрын

It was a good idea until the Greeks started shouting 'Stavros Nika!'

@blockchiken 3 ай бұрын

Also Russia

@andrewklang809 3 ай бұрын

Austria: How about, instead of restoring the Holy Roman Empire, we create a new German Confederation. None of that messy feudal stuff, just Germans looking out for Germans. Prussia: Sounds good to me Austria: And we'll pledge to defend each other if an outside powercoughcoughFrance tries to take any land within in. Prussia: Sounds good to me. Austria: And it will prevent any of us from attacking one another. Prussia: ... Austria: AND it will prevent any of us from attacking one another. Prussia: (vague Prussian noises)

@matthiasmoser6096 3 ай бұрын

Lol, that was really funny xD

@Jus10Ed 3 ай бұрын

I wonder what Prussian noises sound like.

@Elainerulesutube 3 ай бұрын

Something similar is coming one day in the future. A 10 nation military superpower headed by Germany. You ain't seen nothing yet!

@Lawrence330 3 ай бұрын

@@Elainerulesutube Time machine broke, 90 years too late. Or early. It's hard to tell right now.

@fallendown8828 3 ай бұрын

@@Jus10Edi am guessing it sounds like Low German sooo moin moin?

@Longshanks1690 3 ай бұрын

The Kings of England called themselves King of France until the French Revolution and the King of Spain today still claims the Crusader title of King of Jerusalem. That is to say, there’s absolutely no reason Austria couldn’t have resurrected the title of Holy Roman Emperor even if the state itself no longer existed.

@jonathanwebster7091 3 ай бұрын

@@Longshanks1690 ahem; the Kings of Great Britain (after 1707). Yours, The British Nitpicking Society. (Also, the English/British Kings kiiiiiind of loosely had a justification for claiming the French throne because they still held the Channel Islands, and until the 1500s, Calais. But if it was any looser it would drop off).

@williambrennan104 3 ай бұрын

Wait, really? I see a possible solution to the Gaza war here lol

@jonathanwebster7091 3 ай бұрын

@@williambrennan104 he doesn't actively use the title though (and no King of Spain since 1931 has either), the Spanish constitution just says that the King is entitled to use the "historic titles of the Spanish crown", meaning he's also entitled to call himself King of Castile, King of Aragon, King of Leon, King of Majorca, etc. etc.

@Mere-Lachaiselongue 3 ай бұрын

@@williambrennan104 If both "sides" accepted Christ 90% of all problems would be instantly solved. Maybe more than 90% actually.

@oliverhendrix8176 3 ай бұрын

@@Mere-Lachaiselongue No that wouldn’t solve anything in a way that doesn’t create more problems.

@pridelander06 3 ай бұрын

"He technically didn't have the right to do this but everything was kind of weird at this point and so nobody challenged it." The amount of historical things this statement could apply to...

@jonathanwebster7091 3 ай бұрын

In respect to Francis I/II, he kiiiind of justified his assumption of the title of Emperor of Austria and the subsequent dissolution of the Empire after the fact by saying that; as the most senior Christian monarch, he had the authority to do so, which you can sooooort of make a case for with him assuming the title Emperor of Austria, less so the arbitrary dissolution of the HRE. Also the Papacy made a formal protest at the Congress of Vienna in respect to the HRE not being restablished, saying it not being restored was "detrimental to Christian civilisation".

@mikeynth7919 3 ай бұрын

It is amazing what you can get away with when no one else cares.

@jonathanwebster7091 3 ай бұрын

@@mikeynth7919 aaaaaaactually; a lot of the smaller states of the HRE *did* care-because the structure of the HRE prevented them being swallowed up by their larger neighbours (and that ended...disastrously for them). Also Britain cared-hence why it didn't recognise the HRE's dissolution until the Congress of Vienna. But certainly nobody important on continental Europe cared.

@mathewfinch 3 ай бұрын

The US Constitutional convention technically had no legal power to draft a new constitution, but the previous system was so dysfunctional that nobody really cared.

@derrickthewhite1 3 ай бұрын

@@mathewfinch You don't need power to draft it. People draft constitutions all the time: they generally don't gain any power or recognition though. You need power to make it official. The states ratified/ accepted the document in official votes (remember, they had functional governments older than the country), some quicker than others. Rhode island required an economic ultimatum to ratify it, but they did officially accept the document.

@justinian-the-great 3 ай бұрын

Austrians: "We don't want to create an empire that would basically be ungovernable and always on the verge of collapse." Also Austrians: *create Austria-Hungary*

@StalkerX426 3 ай бұрын

wait, its all (austria) is hre?

@richeybaumann1755 3 ай бұрын

To be fair, they had no choice. It was either compromise by granting the Hungarians self-sovereignty or lose Hungary entirely. The Dual Monarchy wasn't a show of power, it was a desperate gamble to hold the Habsburg Empire together.

@PANZERFAUST90 3 ай бұрын

@@StalkerX426always has been 🤔🔫🫤

@DeistPaladin 3 ай бұрын

@@StalkerX426 Well, yes. When the Carolingian Empire was split amongst Charlemagne's sons, the western section became "Frankreich", which morphed linguistically into "France" while the eastern section of the empire, "Ost Der Reich" morphed linguistically into Osterreich or "Austria" in English. So, for the medieval period, Austria was Germany.

@fallendown8828 3 ай бұрын

@@DeistPaladini see that someone knows his Etymology and German, good Stuff

@jonathanwebster7091 3 ай бұрын

Fun fact: despite joining the Confederation of the Rhine shortly before; Bavaria, Wurttemberg and Baden all continued to recognise the Empire until it's very end (despite gaining the higher titles of King/Grand Duke, the respective rulers continued to use the title of Elector until the very end). Of the other remaining electoral states, Brandenburg (Prussia), Saxony, and Würzburg all dropped the electoral title at the Empire's dissolution, or just after. Also the Prince-Electors of Hanover (Britain) and Hesse-Cassel did not acknowledge or recognise the end of the Empire until 1814 and the Congress of Vienna, when Hanover was upgraded to a Kingdom, and the Prince-Elector of Hesse-Cassel slightly modified his title to 'Sovereign Elector'; even though there was now no longer an Emperor to elect.

@Narthanael 3 ай бұрын

Well, the actual title of the Electors is "Kurfürst" so no reference to electing in their. The english translations of different titles also seem to be the same

@jonathanwebster7091 3 ай бұрын

@@Narthanael in Latin it was "Princeps Elector", and it was 'Prince-Elector' in English. The standard title of the Electors would be, for example, "Margrave of Brandenburg, Prince Elector and Arch-Chamberlain of the Holy Roman Empire", "Duke of Salzburg, Prince-Elector of the Holy Roman Empire", etc. Ie, the title related to the territory was mentioned first, then the title 'Prince-Elector', and then an arch-office attached to the imperial court (if the Elector held one). The title was never formally "Elector of Brandenburg" or "Elector of Bavaria" or whatever. In the short period between the assumption of the Royal title by Bavaria and Württemberg, they kept the Electoral and arch-offices, but put them after the royal title. So the King of Bavaria was "King of Bavaria, Prince Elector and Arch-Steward of the Holy Roman Empire", and the last bit was dropped when the Empire was dissolved in August 1806. In respect to Hesse-Cassel, the title was "Landgrave of Hesse-Cassel, Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire". After the Congress of Vienna, it became "Sovereign Prince-Elector and Landgrave of Hesse-Cassel, Grand Duke of Fulda, etc" (Souveringen Kürfurst und Landgraf, Grossherzog Von Fulda, etc), ie, the mention of the Holy Roman Empire was dropped.

@jackbucher2049 3 ай бұрын

@@Narthanael Kurfürst *literally* directly translates to elector in english

@gontrandjojo9747 3 ай бұрын

@@jonathanwebster7091 Keep a title (mostly for honorific reasons) doesn't mean they continued to recognize the Empire...

@jonathanwebster7091 3 ай бұрын

@@gontrandjojo9747 in Britain's case; it did, because they explicitly didn't recognise the end of the Empire until the Congress of Vienna.

@marvelfannumber1 3 ай бұрын

I'd argue the German Confederation basically was a revival of the Holy Roman Empire in all but name. It served more or less the same purpose, just without the archaic baggage and outdated titles.

@galatheumbreon6862 3 ай бұрын

This is true, it was just a rebrand

@deutschermichel5807 3 ай бұрын

No it wasnʼt. The Confederation was not a monarchy. According to international law, the HRE was a different entity@@galatheumbreon6862

@flyingorange4493 3 ай бұрын

The Holy Roman Empire's full name was the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation, wasn't it? Like how the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is just called the United Kingdom, or the United States of America is just called the United States. I get the impression that the Holy Roman Empire was always seen as 'Germania'.

@deutschermichel5807 3 ай бұрын

@@flyingorange4493 There is no document officially stating that “Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation” was the full name. It was officially called Holy Roman Empire in later documents

@flyingorange4493 3 ай бұрын

@@deutschermichel5807 Ah okay, thanks for the clarification!

@Lwis 3 ай бұрын

They didn't have the resources of James Bisonette or Spinning 3 Plates.

@jamesbissonette8002 3 ай бұрын

Let’s not forget Kelly Moneymaker

@RankinMsP 3 ай бұрын

Surely not Calling Dr Howard Dr Fine Dr Howard

@BOZ_11 3 ай бұрын

@@jamesbissonette8002 She holds true to her name.

@eddieschwab864 3 ай бұрын

Kelly Moneymaker must not be making much money lately.

@shoeshiner9314 3 ай бұрын

Or skyy chappelle

@darkphoenix2745 3 ай бұрын

-Ignores agressive expantion. -Defeats coallitions like nothing. -Likes pretty borders. -Dismantles the HRE. Napoleon is an EU enjoyer.

@Orcram 3 ай бұрын

Dies to attrition. Absolutely a EU player.

@ASlickNamedPimpback 3 ай бұрын

@@Orcram Gets slammed by british naval dominance. Unfathomably based EU player

@C-Farsene_5 3 ай бұрын

-also had a weird middle eastern campaign against the Ottomans

@embreis2257 3 ай бұрын

imagine good old Nap succeeded with his project. got the continental blockade working with Danish/Swedish and Russian support strangling the British trade to zero; then evicting the Russian tsars and giving Europe from Lisbon to Moscow a modern meritocratic society with modern education system and the _Code Napoléon_ becoming law everywhere. it might have prevented some nasty world wars and we might all speak French as an official language besides our local languages.

@Orcram 3 ай бұрын

@@embreis2257 Ew French. I'm good.

@rhyshigga 3 ай бұрын

Holy Roman Empire: please revive me bro Ludwig I: hold my beer Napoleon II: ok

@goldenfiberwheat238 3 ай бұрын

Do you mean Napoleon III?

@Red_Planet 3 ай бұрын

No one revived it because the formable requires way too many states so it takes way too much infamy to form it, along with the risk that every nation will try to stop you after one diplomatic play. Plus you need to be a theocracy to get the "Holy Roman Empire" name (and not the other names like Paneuropa or Central Europe) which no one willingly goes anyway.

@neodarkknight42 3 ай бұрын

How does Niko know so much about world history.

@BOZ_11 3 ай бұрын

It was just a loose confederation of Germanic states, and such arrangements are never outdated, they just (eventually) lack support. What's the EU now if not a federation? Aside from the fact that it's not for just for Germanic types but a pan-European coalition

@Dyllyn133 3 ай бұрын

@@BOZ_11he's mememing about EUIV

@Hauchoi322 3 ай бұрын

what is niko doing here?

@Jarmint 3 ай бұрын

Victoria 3

@BjarkeLund-c2s 3 ай бұрын

A common map mistake: The island Fehmarn wasn’t a part of the HRE, as it was an integral part of Duchy of Schleswig, which was under the Danish king. Fehmarn only became a part of Holstein in 1866/7, under Prussian rule.

@embreis2257 3 ай бұрын

well, being ruled by the Danish king doesn't mean it was outside the HRE. the king of Denmark was a prince of the HRE for many centuries as was the king of Sweden, the king of Bohemia, the king of Spain and others. the point is the duchy of Schleswig always was part of the HRE and attempts by Denmark to change its status resulted in the war of 1864. you don't seem to have learned the lesson yet. the 1st Schleswig war was not enough to bring the message across but the 2nd war of 1864 should have done it 160yrs later, don't you think? 🖖

@BjarkeLund-c2s 3 ай бұрын

@@embreis2257it wasn’t. It wasn’t part of Holstein, which was inside the HRE, it was part of Schleswig, which was outside.

@YetAnotherSADXFan 3 ай бұрын

Because James Bizonette was always secretly running the HRE

@NobleGamer889 3 ай бұрын

This is truly a Daniel give me coffee moment

@jamesbissonette8002 3 ай бұрын

Nah

@SathvikArunSulakhe 3 ай бұрын

Truth be spoken it was actually geography lovers who made HRE die

@YetAnotherSADXFan 3 ай бұрын

@@jamesbissonette8002 the legend, the one and only, Holy Roman Emperor, James Bissonette

@NobleGamer889 3 ай бұрын

@@jamesbissonette8002the legend himself

@LakeGameCreepr 3 ай бұрын

Tl;dr - the HRE was grandfathered into the 19th century and everyone wanted to move on

@MossoAyre 3 ай бұрын

Nah, nobody wants to revive the cheap knockoff of the real thing. HRE was just a sad attempt at discrediting medieval Rome

@HerrKendys_Kulturkanal 3 ай бұрын

@@MossoAyre I think the history of it was actually pretty dope and nice to get into

@ASlickNamedPimpback 3 ай бұрын

props to napoleon for letting it reach the 1000 year mark before axing it though

@daniel.stafford 3 ай бұрын

"Under the new arrangements Austria would remain the nominal leader of the German speaking world." 2:27 - Bismark: **Guten Tag.**

@embreis2257 3 ай бұрын

well, Bismarck appeared on the stage a few decades later. for almost 50yrs, this sentence in the clip was correct

@ScorpoYT 3 ай бұрын

The HRE was already dying after the 30 Year's war

@darkphoenix2745 3 ай бұрын

I would say it was dying after the council of Trent even.

@yondie491 3 ай бұрын

And long before the thirty years war

@robertortiz-wilson1588 3 ай бұрын

Yeah 😢

@varana 3 ай бұрын

Like so often during its 800-ish years of existence, the HRE changed in accordance with new ideas and structures after the 30 Years War. It did lie on its deathbed in the later 18th century.

@amienabled6665 3 ай бұрын

I feel like this video was done before

@jellyrolls2765 3 ай бұрын

There was one about why the HRE ended, but not why no-one brought it back

@ekos8282 3 ай бұрын

I think it was already in the 10 minute german or napoleon video. Good times. But if this video was in one of those, it means this topic could have been handled in few seconds. "napoleon and after that too much hazzle" "thank you james bizonette.....

@MrBattlecharge 3 ай бұрын

There was one other video detailing why the HRE was dissolved and why nobody tried to stop that dissolution. Namely - Napoleon overpowered Austria, Austria didn't want Napoleon to have it (and therefor some nominal control over Austria) and Napoleon didn't want it because somebody could sneaky backdoor their way into overthrowing Napoleon as HRE emporer which would gice them some nominal control over France.

@1cupof6 3 ай бұрын

It's sad because I feel like he's run out of ideas and the community on KZbin and Patreon are totally ok with it

@otho69AD 3 ай бұрын

Yeah no he definitely covered this topic in another video already

@CommanderTavos99 3 ай бұрын

As a German, that's a damn good question

@wilhelmbuzzkyll 3 ай бұрын

Third time’s the charm…or 4th I guess

@CommanderTavos99 3 ай бұрын

@@wilhelmbuzzkyll isn't it basically a restoration of the 1th?

@StalkerX426 3 ай бұрын

@@CommanderTavos99 yes

@MM22966 3 ай бұрын

Tell Austria the divorce was a mistake. Get back together and buy a new house.

@dannyarcher6370 3 ай бұрын

@@wilhelmbuzzkyll Nah. We still have at least another 921 years to wait before the 4th.

@nickmacarius3012 3 ай бұрын

The Holy Roman Empire once sat above all Until the Holy Roman Empire had a great fall. All the European powers & all of the Congressmen Couldn't put the Holy Roman Empire back together again.

@ehannasir8464 3 ай бұрын

The holy roman hotmess

@timothymclean 3 ай бұрын

More like "All Europe's power and all Congressmen/Wouldn't put the HRE back again".

@robertortiz-wilson1588 3 ай бұрын

@@timothymcleanscum.

@akend4426 3 ай бұрын

It was such an outdated, confusing mess that not even the Hapsburgs wanted to revive it. The HRE’s dissolution made cartographers everywhere breathe a collective sigh of relief.

@R.S.4672 3 ай бұрын

@akend4426 I was waiting for someone to leave this comment!

@One_step_above_is_here 3 ай бұрын

0:48 That’s why I always have player lead peace conferences on.

@ThePacific21345 3 ай бұрын

Keep making thousands of these masterpieces.🎉🎉

@Maverick750 3 ай бұрын

Because the Holy Roman Empire was weakening in power after the Protestant Reformation. After the Thirty Years War, their power was essentially gone and with the Peace of Westphalia, all of its states were considered sovereign states within the Holy Roman Empire which basically became a walking corpse as these states no longer followed the imperial government and mostly pursued their own interests, not Vienna’s.

@jonathanwebster7091 3 ай бұрын

@@Maverick750 I read it really well described in an old 1930s encyclopedia entry on the HRE: "it had been a German Empire since 1254, then an Austrian Empire from 1648." Which is about right.

@StalkerX426 3 ай бұрын

@@jonathanwebster7091 wait,is that mean todays austria is hre?

@jonathanwebster7091 3 ай бұрын

@@StalkerX426 in a sense; it's the successor state of the successor state to the HRE, but it isn't legally *the* HRE because the position of Holy Roman Emperor was elected, not Hereditary (so in theory, any catholic-and some legal scholars argued-any Christian-noble was eligible to be elected). So because it was elected, and in theory anyone could be elected, and the position of Emperor of Austria was hereditary, it wasn't, strictly speaking. But imperial Austria certainly adopted a lot of the HRE iconography, like the double headed eagle for example. The German Confederation *also* had some continuation with the HRE, both in practical function (it was a very loose, defensive alliance of the German states under the Presidency of Austria) and iconography (it *also* used the double headed eagle from 1848). The reason the eagle in the coat of arms of the present-day Republic of Austria only has one head is because the double headed eagle was; after German unification and the *ausgleich* with Hungary, re-tooled to mean 'Austria and Hungary'. The one-headed eagle was meant to mean "now we're just Austria" by the people who adopted it (although the double headed eagle *was* briefly restored by the Austrian fascists from 1934 to 1938). Lastly, the German Empire (the Second Reich) founded in 1871 was kind-of-but-not-really supposed to be a continuation of the HRE-Wilhelm I in his first speech to the Reichstag spoke of the imperial crown which had been vacant "for sixty years". Also the fact that Wilhelm I was (in theory) nominated by the rulers of the German states was supposed to be a nod to the old elections of the Holy Roman Emperors. Also the German Imperial Crown (which never existed except on paper) was also made to look like the crown of the HRE. Also, Wilhelm I used one of the old thrones of Otto the Great for his first opening of the imperial Reichstag. But in some ways, the German Empire was explicitly *not* a continuation of the HRE-not only did Bismarck advise Wilhelm I that it would be best to downplay connecting the two Empires in speeches, when the ill-fated Friedrich III came to the throne, he wished to use the title "Friedrich IV" to show he was the successor to the Holy Roman Emperors, but Bismarck advised against it and told him to use the Prussian numbering instead (hence why he was Friedrich *III*, not 'I'). There was justification for this-strictly speaking, the German constitution and state was just a re-working of the one of the North German Confederation of 1867 (of which the King of Prussia was President), it just gave the President the title 'German Emperor', ie they were two ex officio positions, or in other words, the German Emperor held that position because he was King of Prussia -it wasn't a separate office that could be separated (which is also why Wilhelm II in 1918 couldn't abdicate as Emperor but keep the throne of Prussia, like he wished-the German constitution wouldn't allow it. Also, the eagle in the coat of arms of Imperial Germany (which is later used in an altered, de-monarchified form by the Weimar Republic and today's Germany) only had/has one head.

@robertortiz-wilson1588 3 ай бұрын

SO CLOSE

@rotwang2000 3 ай бұрын

@@jonathanwebster7091 One issue Bismarck and the new state were keen to avoid was to see a major German kingdom go "Oh it's just the old HRE again, therefore we got all the opt out clauses and advantages back at our disposal." They wanted Prussia firmly in control and no HRE shenanigans boiling up to weaken it. It still took decades for Germany to fully unify and some claim it still hasn't to this day.

@tapele5987 3 ай бұрын

"Reforming it into something useful would've been extremely difficult" Well, the German Confederation was pretty much an updated and improved version of the HRE...

@edmerc92 3 ай бұрын

But its institutions were founded from scratch. They didn't have to go through a bunch of medieval institutions with complex legal ramifications.

@timothymclean 3 ай бұрын

Exactly. The HRE wasn't just a bunch of land and people; it was a bunch of institutions and traditions used to govern that land and people.

@varana 3 ай бұрын

Calling the German Confederation an improvement over anything is a really hard sell. It was certainly not an improved version of the HRE, even the late 1700s one. It just continued the dysfunctional parts of it that the more powerful princes found useful.

@goncalonunes3203 3 ай бұрын

James bisonete was offered the throne but politely refused

@Sam_Sam2 3 ай бұрын

James Bissonnette didn’t want it back

@LGus-gr9wo 3 ай бұрын

I like the detail in the "reactionism flowerfield" how Alexander is running left instead of right through the flowers, like in all other cases in these videos, symbolising that it's trying to stop the revolutionary ideas.

@theThomas489 3 ай бұрын

I was not looking to cry today thank you very much

@heavyharris5580 3 ай бұрын

Thom Yorke said it best in reference to the HRE when he said "You and whose army?"

@harrisonturner7443 3 ай бұрын

based radiohead fan

@Snoflakes_1 3 ай бұрын

I'm getting a weird sense of déjá vu that you've already done this once before. I believe the conclusion was something like "Nobody could be bothered to bring it back"

@scotandiamapping4549 2 ай бұрын

You're probably thinking of the video where he discusses why the HRE was abolished in the first place

@Snoflakes_1 2 ай бұрын

@@scotandiamapping4549 Isn't that just the same concept, just posed in a different way?

@scotandiamapping4549 2 ай бұрын

@@Snoflakes_1 pretty much I suppose. Nevertheless, the video is there, lemme find you a link

@Snoflakes_1 2 ай бұрын

@@scotandiamapping4549 Don't worry, I think I know what you mean. Not a lot of video pop up when you look up History Matters HRE

@NobleGamer889 3 ай бұрын

I was laying down in my funeral but when my brother said that history matters uploaded a new video, I immediately rose up and watched the video

@MilesCWard 3 ай бұрын

Another instance of James Bissonette placing his thumb on the scale. A true power player with an unmatched adeptness for wielding political power and influence. But you’ll never see a book about the man. Why? His accomplishments are too bountiful and complex to document, his dexterity is incomprehensible to the human mind. And his efficiency makes him elusive to the very people whom he manipulates to achieve his goals. Cherish James Bissonette’s brilliance.

@TomsOnUK 3 ай бұрын

Another interesting historical video on a question I never thought of

@joshuafrimpong244 3 ай бұрын

Because kelly moneymaker did not think it was financially viable to make James bissonette the emperor

@LackToez 3 ай бұрын

Alternate history

@Elitist20 3 ай бұрын

Calling Doctor Howard Doctor Fine Doctor Howard seems to have supplanted Boogily Woogilly.

@muhammadhabibieamiro3639 3 ай бұрын

Another amazing video

@noriyakigumble3011 3 ай бұрын

I think much and more can be said of the fact that Metternich and by proxy, Austria; chaired and constituted what would become the concert of Europe. Austrian interests on a grand- strategic level were always best served when they could motivate and invoke multi-state coalitions or diplomatic systems that could compensate for its decentralized state and military weakness. Austria’s position as hegemon of a new German confederation; while impressive, pales to the ASTONISHING diplomatic achievement in convincingly carving a place for themselves as a fundamental fixture of Europes balance of power; something the Hapsburgs struggled to do in the prior century.

@embreis2257 3 ай бұрын

Metternich was an extreme reactionary. he and his ilk were responsible for decades of stagnation in all aspects from economy, technology and of course they suppressed all attempts at [personal] freedom and democracy.

@stalin208 3 ай бұрын

Yet another question I've never wondered about but am now really interested.

@ninjasheep7492 3 ай бұрын

Although people often consider the German Confederation just HRR 2.0 it was significantly better in all aspects and was largely responsible for the unification of Germany. The Austrians would have preferred they were in charge of this new unified Germany, but apart from that it was a total success

@varana 3 ай бұрын

Neither was the German Confederation better - it just continued some of the parts that the more powerful princes found helpful, like defensive arrangements and the possibility to coordinate the repression of national and liberal ideas. Nor was it responsible for the unification - that was first attempted by the 1848 revolution, which specifically wanted to abandon the Confederation for a national state, and then by Prussia by destroying the Confederation in the years leading up to 1866.

@ninjasheep7492 3 ай бұрын

@@varana the defensive arrangements were closer to dominion status. There was no legal allying with powers outside the confederation. Likewise it was a total military alliance against all foreign threats which no nation could back out of, which are the 2 main reasons why the HRE fell. On top of that there was far greater economic integration which was necessary for unification in a post-feudal world. The economic integration was the main benefit and reason why it helped unify Germany. The unification attempt during 1848 only failed due to neither German great power wanting to be restricted by a constitution, in that regard it did fail, but also it’s doubtful the HRE would have had a unified effort towards unification at all.

@varana 3 ай бұрын

@@ninjasheep7492 The Bundesakte of 1815 explicitly states that members retain the power to alliances of whatever sort, provided the alliance wasn't directed against the Confederation or one of its members. That was basically the same mode as in the HRE after 1648. As for backing out, that was always an option for the powerful states, esp. Austria and Prussia. There may have been no legal way to do so but it was always in their power to ignore Confederation decisions. While it didn't happen in external wars (as there were not that many), it happened somewhat regularly in internal matters. Smaller members could be forced to adhere to decisions, the larger ones could not. The Confederation didn't have any meaningful economic powers. That was the main reason why economic integration didn't happen on the level of the Confederation but through inter-state alliances, like the various customs unions that eventually coalesced into the Zollverein (which notably excluded Austria).

@varana 3 ай бұрын

@MartinAhlman 3 ай бұрын

I love you're way of explaining! Mostly because it aligns with history. Weird thing that...

@manfredeikel3428 3 ай бұрын

I understand that the Habsburg Family did just such an attempt. It was Emperor Charles I himself who attempted a restauration, supported by his wife, Zita. Zita never "relingished" the throne and wanted to be addressed as Her Majesty.

@williammerkel1410 3 ай бұрын

This was...... sad to watch. 218 years still hasn't dulled the pain.

@andrzejnadgirl2029 3 ай бұрын

Well, in a way European Union can be seem as successor to HRE

@MM22966 3 ай бұрын

@@andrzejnadgirl2029 Holy crap, you're right: Hungary is STILL a pain in the ass!

@Ama-hi5kn Ай бұрын

When I look at a detailed map of the Holy Roman Empire it literally looks like a complete puzzle. So many components.

@danielmp2085 3 ай бұрын

I'd add that many german rulers actually benefited a lot from Napoleons reorganization of Germany and wouldn't want to go back to the previous borders. For example in Bavaria, the Wittelsbach family went from a princely family to a royal one and Bavaria bacame a kingdom and enlarged its borders. They later changed sides, fought Napoleon and had to concede some of that territoy but they wouldn't want to go back to the pre-Napoleonic state of affairs.

@embreis2257 3 ай бұрын

but they lost to rule the electorate of Cologne and some parts of upper Palatinate.

@sorryitsmoops 3 ай бұрын

Woah feels weird to watch this 10 minutes after it was released rather than 3 years

@benl3626 3 ай бұрын

You'll soon find out why the title "Why hasn't anyone revived the Holy Roman Empire yet?" would've been a better choice. Wish me luck.

@Mr.science100 3 ай бұрын

Very good video keep going

@houssamassila6274 3 ай бұрын

it's because Spinning three plates, found it difficult to balance between 3 powers, prussia, austria, and the smaller nations within it (hence the name). of course James Bisonette made sure of that.

@yaasinm 3 ай бұрын

2:18 If Austria was the nominal leader of the German world then, what happened.

@ErikHare 3 ай бұрын

Bismarck

@davidhehir7378 3 ай бұрын

Austria was the leader until Prussia formed the German federation and clapped Austria in a war

@HolyDarkness767 3 ай бұрын

@@ErikHareAs a great austrophile I hate to admit this, but you‘re absolutely right.

@rtjonz101 3 ай бұрын

I mean an angry Austrian tried to rule the Germansphere back in the 30s

@eedobee 3 ай бұрын

Prussia

@AntiNatalAtheist 3 ай бұрын

The only channel which I subscribe and watch. I just love those cartoons. I cannot express enough how much I love those cartoons. Something equally I love is the Asterix and Obelix series. I read them as a child on the street and couldn't wait to reach home as I chuckled and laughed uncontrollably. I have rediscovered the same in this channel. My favourites are the Dancing among the daisies The horses The natives .

@BeWe1510 3 ай бұрын

The German confederation retained most of the things from the HRE the German monarchs still desired. Reestablishing the HRE would have brought little to none additional benefit but a whole lot of headache: It would have been embarrassing for those states that left the empire and the Habsburgs for dissolving it, bringing it back now would have required them to admit that they didn’t do it out of their free will but in reaction to Napoleon; Prussia had been an equal partner in the sixth coalition, making them a vassal wouldn’t have gone down well; The emperor technically was not just the ruler of the HRE but also nominally the highest ranking of all the European monarchs, even if just as first among equals, for the other great powers to accept that Austria might have been forced to give up something with actual meaning behind it, which wasn’t worth it; The peoples of all the small entities that were swallowed up by their larger neighbors might have demanded their old rights back, they had been guaranteed by imperial law, which was a danger to those states which grew immensely by Napoleons grace; They had promised the people to act on the question of a German nation and by creating something new, even with German as part of the official name, they may have hoped to appease them, even tho it was a big nothing burger. The HRE is so fascinating and extremely misunderstood by many but as much as I love it, it’s time was over at that point

@lordnihilus3198 3 ай бұрын

The real reason why they didn't want to mention it, is because the carthographists probably had ptsd from drawing the Holy Roman Empire

@ComradeWinstonChurchill 3 ай бұрын

Because James Bisonette didn't pay for a bad deal!

@fischmukke 3 ай бұрын

Well, I can do it. I think this would be a nice Project over the Winter.

@squeaksquawk4255 3 ай бұрын

Episode suggestion: Who was Napoleon the Second?

@georgeprchal3924 3 ай бұрын

Or why isn't Napoleon called Napoleon I?

@GodzillaMen_YT 3 ай бұрын

aint no way i finally watches his video that uploaded a minute ago, not thousands of years ago

@Cheesesandwiches1 3 ай бұрын

Because James bisonette thought it a silly idea so they never revived it

@elmergonzales5232 3 ай бұрын

Hahahahahha he was tired mapping the Europe

@bruh-th5ft 3 ай бұрын

U know it is not worth it when even paradox players don't even want to do it

@badgamemaster 3 ай бұрын

That Printer guy: I tried a round three of Empire making.

@scotandiamapping4549 3 ай бұрын

0:39 ok this is a pretty minor thing but I just noticed that the southern border between the Dutch Republic and HRE here is shown to be identical to the modern Belgian-Dutch border, which is innacurate.

@jhango1002 3 ай бұрын

I always wait to hear the name James Bissonette at the end of each video

@pabcu2507 3 ай бұрын

Lack of funding from James bissonette

@overworlder 3 ай бұрын

The confederation was almost as silly. Its council had a Polish-style requirement for unanimity to pass decisions (or liberum veto). It did build some federal fortresses though. A couple survive (in part) at Koblenz and Ulm.

@SwordQuake2 2 ай бұрын

1:25 what country is what here?

@titansboy1249 3 ай бұрын

Take a shot every time he says Holy Roman Empire, I guarantee you'll have a fun night.

@michaelhoffmann2891 3 ай бұрын

1:46 the colour choices! such a nice touch!

@eddieschwab864 3 ай бұрын

One of the first things people learn in World Civ class either in 7th grade or in high school depending on when they teach it where you're at... The Holy Roman Empire was the ultimate oxymoron. it wasn't Holy because the pope wasn't in charge, it wasn't Roman because Rome wasn't a part of it, and it wasn't much of an Empire either.. Another fun fact about the HRE, It was the First Reich, in relation to Moustache Man's Thurd Reich. The Kaiserreich of a unified Germany under the Kaiser was the Second Reich ..

@4lan866 3 ай бұрын

“The Holy Roman Empire was the ultimate oxymoron.” I recommend you watch Romaboo Ramblings’ video on this topic, he offers a solid defense for this name

@superyamky 3 ай бұрын

Well, it was holy, Roman, and an empire at the start of its life under Charlemagne, but at the end of its lifespan. They turned out to be nothing like that.

@sammylastname8776 3 ай бұрын

@@superyamkyHoly? It was a political, disingenuous and illegal power play by the pope to assert his independence from the Roman Empire by pretending the franks were the new empire Roman? The Romans heavily disagreed at the time, as well as the rest of the time they were alive(which was about 600 years, definitely not a short while) Empire? Yes, during Charlemagne’s time until, imo, the Protestant reformation when half the empire became “heretical” and thus technically an enemy of the emperor, rendering it dysfunctional

@embreis2257 3 ай бұрын

it was called _Holy_ because the emperor vowed to defend the church and the pope. it never meant the pope was in charge. goodness gracious no. 😲 the Roman part comes from the coronation place for several emperors, the fact that large parts of Italy were part of the empire at one point and the 'empire' part is self evident when it has an emperor at the helm.

@wrtoomes600 3 ай бұрын

This is so good.

@Dryghtendanitsu 3 ай бұрын

James Bisonet didn’t give his immediate approval of the empire’s return.

@rodrigob.m3286 3 ай бұрын

I assure you that if instead of Metternich they had sent Spinning 3 Plates, the HRE would be up and running to this day

@diegoantoniorosariopalomin2206 3 ай бұрын

They did revive it, it's called the European Union

@disturbedjester8154 3 ай бұрын

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

@rainbowodysseybyjonlion 3 ай бұрын

Woooow... This was a big devo diss at all of Europeans. Epic shade level 9000.

@GeorgeLarryMIBU 3 ай бұрын

Let's bring every empite back at the same time, that's a *great* idea Not to mention the overlapping borders make for no tension at all

@windfromfelixia 3 ай бұрын

Except for Tabarotsky i guess. Still waiting for Alexei to return

@confusedmango6557 3 ай бұрын

thats just tno

@thomasgzz8313 3 ай бұрын

Video ideas 1) Why did Montenegro and its leaders simply accepted to be annexed into Yugoslavia after ww1 2) Was there any sort reaction by the allies to the soviet invasion of eastern Poland in 1939

@SoulFlyer133 3 ай бұрын

He already did a video on why the Allies didn't declare war on Russia after the invasion of Poland

@thomasgzz8313 3 ай бұрын

@@SoulFlyer133 i must have missed it. Thanks!

@sowiwiody3681 3 ай бұрын

Neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire!

@KarlBunker 3 ай бұрын

Oh Voltaire, you're so witty! 🤭🤭🤭

@capncake8837 3 ай бұрын

James Bisonette had moved on to other countries, so it wasn’t possible.

@DuranmanX 3 ай бұрын

Its funny how Austria was a key factor in world events til 1945 and was never heard from again afterwards

@davethompson3326 3 ай бұрын

They weren't even a minor power after 1918, small population, tiny industrial base, few resources and nearly surrounded by countries that hated them.

@DuranmanX 3 ай бұрын

@davethompson3326 its a cruel remider that Austria was part of Germany during WW2 but doesnt get treated nearly as harshly for it

@davethompson3326 3 ай бұрын

@@DuranmanX There had been an attempt to unite the two immediately post WW1 under Republik Deutschösterreich, but it achieved little. The draft peace treaty presented 2 June 1919 showed that the Western Allies were opposed to any union between Germany and Austria.

@DuranmanX 3 ай бұрын

@@davethompson3326 yet itd happen around 20 years later

@davethompson3326 3 ай бұрын

The Treaty of Versailles, dictating the terms of peace for Germany, forbade any union between Austria and Germany. The Republic seemed promising, with a fair few social reforms. It was replaced by an AustroFascist regime in 1933 whose first leader was assassinated in July 34 as part of a failed coup attempt by Nazi agents. His successor continued to resist German attempts at unification until arrested during the Anschluss.

@MeatGoblin88 3 ай бұрын

"Why didn't anyone revive the Holy Roman Empire?" Dan from North Dakota: "I'm working on it, give me time."

@Redjoekido 3 ай бұрын

Because what created the Holy Roman Empire needs to happen. But at this point, it was a dead horse. It was no longer necessary to keep it going any longer. The reason of the Holy Roman Empire was due to Charlmagne tried to revive the Roman Empire. Now that is outdated.

@oliversherman2414 3 ай бұрын

Holy Roman Empire after dissolving: "NOOOO! NOT OUR GLORIOUS BORDER GORE!" Paradox Interactive: "Don't worry. We'll avenge you"

@matthiasmoser6096 3 ай бұрын

Answer to the question starts here: 1:30

@SquidMonke4 3 ай бұрын

Ok?

@Ani-Albanian 3 ай бұрын

Im gonna touch you lil bro

@hairymooseknucle 3 ай бұрын

Mr. Small attention span

@theoneblock7107 3 ай бұрын

James Bizonette simply ran out of enough original jokes about himself

@awesomehpt8938 3 ай бұрын

Because it was neither holy nor roman nor an empire.

@FlameKoRn 3 ай бұрын

New drinking game, drink everytime he says "Holy Roman Empire"

@BFDIfan-z9q 3 ай бұрын

*I’ll do one push-up if this comment gets a like* 🤖🤖🤖

@Bern_il_Cinq 3 ай бұрын

A McWhopper? Preposterous!

@M0R3gOfF 3 ай бұрын

Explain Baarle-Hertog and Baarle-nassau next!

@terilien6124 3 ай бұрын

A huge issue is that German mediatization, in abolishing the kleinstaaterei and prince bishoprics, profoundly transformed the empire, since the Emperor's power and leverage over the secular princes came from his cooperation with the smaller states and bishoprics against the medium sized ones.

@andrewsoboeiro6979 3 ай бұрын

“Everything was kind of weird at this point, só no one decided to challenge it” never underestimate the power of weirdness!

@lucianoosorio5942 3 ай бұрын

“You need to revive!” Revive Soda

@Mr.Korzack 3 ай бұрын

Austria, looking at the hodge-podge of German states; Who'd in their right mind would want to rule over This lot? *Bismarck enters the game *

@RiteMoEquations Ай бұрын

It could be argued that the Holy Roman Empire has been revived as the German-led European Union. The modern-day equivalent of the British Empire during _Pax_ _Britannica_ is undoubtedly the United States. The US currently dominates the geopolitical areas of international trade, cultural influence, economic warfare, space exploration, scientific and technological innovations, and it maintains a global military presence, which enables it to defend its allies (with mutual-defense treaties) and patrol international waters as the "world's police."