Unlike a certain old geriatric hokage with his late student's child. Rayleigh legit did not know who Ace was until Marineford.
@ryanrodriguez766410 ай бұрын
Right?
@painvillegaming411910 ай бұрын
Man didn't know Roger even had a kid
@admin.slayerenryu10 ай бұрын
I find that hard to believe
@terrenceharris-hughes443610 ай бұрын
Agreed
@yaJA._.10 ай бұрын
@@admin.slayerenryuit kinda makes sense tbh Rayleigh was just kinda living life after roger the only kid he saw roger raise was shanks
@jackhanver142010 ай бұрын
Rayleigh: I learned that Ace was your son like fifteen minutes before he got turned into a Donut.
@ThomasSpikes-sg3ye10 ай бұрын
In Rayleigh defense he didn't know until ace was roger son after was announced in marineford
@commonviewer248810 ай бұрын
"My son will find the One Piece." Rayleigh thought he meant Shanks
@nerobiblios408610 ай бұрын
Rayleigh probably thought that Luffy was Roger's kid than Ace tbh.
@ElectBeef10 ай бұрын
How if luffy is literally a monkey d , the same name of rogers rival, he knew he was garps family
@adolphgracius999610 ай бұрын
His name is Ace, thats my freaking swords name😂😂😂
@terrenceharris-hughes443610 ай бұрын
NO ONE KNEW ROGER HAD A KID UNTIL MARINEFORD
@Thepatheticone71810 ай бұрын
REYLEIGH SHOULD HAVE KNOWN.
@TheRealRehman4 ай бұрын
I am pretty sure Garp had an inkling....
@prastarkeepers4 ай бұрын
You know, putting it in that context, it’d be like if Luffy had a kid and decided to tell Smoker about it and not Zoro.
@user-69_4203 ай бұрын
That sounds so weird😭
@parkergilbert41806 ай бұрын
Roger: the boy who looks like me and is named after my sword.
@emeye64524 ай бұрын
That could be anything.
@salsabiilee10 ай бұрын
Well it was his wife's island so... Saving them in-laws 😂
@magicpyroninja9 ай бұрын
To give Raleigh a little credit He is old now and he did scare black beard off of Amazon Lily. That's only because Blackbeard doesn't know what he's capable of still and doesn't want that smoke, but Raleigh said If I had to fight him I would have lost. I'm too old for this s*** now Which makes me believe if he's shown up at marine Ford he may have been among the casualties and that would have been one more legendary pirate that they put down that they could gloat about to the world
@DXDragon3810 ай бұрын
Imagine Rayleigh's face if Blackbeard put his paws up and wanted to throw down. 😂
@painvillegaming411910 ай бұрын
Rayleght is still going to fight and while he would lose he is definitely doing damage And boa might have a opening to turn him into stone
@Morningstar5229710 ай бұрын
Rayleigh made a fair point
@orioncrawford961810 ай бұрын
Majority of Rogers old crew out in the world and not one pulled up except buggy and shanks and that was for Luffy
@Jamarsmith6610 ай бұрын
don't forget shanks was busy dealing with kaido then went straight to marineford but ace was already dead shanks lowkey had no choice cause if kadio was there It would been even worse
@danailmarinov729910 ай бұрын
I realize Roger probably didn't tell Rayleigh about Ace. He was keeping secrets. I mean he trusts Garp more obviously. And the revelation that Ace is Roger's son only came up during the war.
@animoments896910 ай бұрын
Its not that he trusts garp more, its just garp was the only one around when ace was about to be born.
@jmb7239010 ай бұрын
Rodger left and disbanded the crew a couple years before Aces was born they didn't know where he was for a year after he disbanded
@danailmarinov729910 ай бұрын
@@jmb72390 That only makes the sketch of this video even more pointless. 😂 Thanks for finding more holes in this hilarious but non sensical sketch.
@Monkeytheluffy5610 ай бұрын
Wouldn't it be too obvious that king of the pirates would leave his son with his bestfriend or right hand, world government would be on Rayleigh's ass if they found he had a kid with him. Even though Rayleigh kept a low profile, still marines were aware of his whereabouts. It would have been a dumb move on Roger's part to leave Ace with Rayleigh. But Roger pulled out the smartest move in this situation, leave Ace with a man of morals in the marines, garp. No way garo would let Ace die because of things Roger did. A child shouldn't be punished for its parents crime. That's what garp believes. The same reason he kept luffy away from himself. No one wants to seperate themselves from their child. But olivia had to distance herself from Robin to protect her which she failed at, dragon didn't let the world know that he had a son ,or else luffy would have died a long time ago.
@fenris593210 ай бұрын
I always read Rayleigh and Shakky less as an open relationship and more "He can flirt around and say he's into younger girls all he wants, we both know he's *my* man" which is goals as hell
@TheKrigeron10 ай бұрын
When the strawhat were looking to coat their ships, she said he was probably shacked up with some girl for a couple of days.
@fenris593210 ай бұрын
@TheKrigeron "Shacked up" meaning "Intentionally getting sold as a slave so he can break out, steal a bunch of stuff, and then leave", which was also stated to be his way of making money
@jessiesargent721210 ай бұрын
Naw, I don't share. That ain't no goal
@fenris593210 ай бұрын
@jessiesargent7212 Suit yourself, I'll take a cool ex Pirate Empress wife who looks like she's 30 when she's 60 who's down with me occasionally running around and getting into dangerous adventures or being away for months at a time training main characters and doesn't get jealous when I'm friendly with other attractive women. I'll take that any day of the week
@benedictmangwato29210 ай бұрын
How Rayleigh gon say he didnt know when sengoku literally announced it to the whole world😂😂😂
@jessiesargent721210 ай бұрын
How was he supposed to get there that fast?
@benedictmangwato29210 ай бұрын
@jessiesargent7212 you make it sound like marine ford is any further than amazon lily, and btw he swam to amazon lily the first time too👀👀👀👀
@nowabugale595110 ай бұрын
@@benedictmangwato292there’s no swimming to Marineford with all those marines with highground plus he entrusted saving Ace to Whitebeard which is the crew Ace is from which is also his rival crew back in the day
@jeremilahelie230810 ай бұрын
@nowabugale5951 plus they have whirlpools blocking each government facility right.
@jessiesargent721210 ай бұрын
@@benedictmangwato292 that still took a day or two
@stephorelse9 ай бұрын
Roger first mistake was giving his wife and child to Garp 😂 Best friend Rayleigh my ass
@painvillegaming41195 ай бұрын
Where would he be safer? A notorious pirate or the hero of the marines?
@emeye64524 ай бұрын
@@painvillegaming4119I mean he was tossed in a jungle along with luffy and dadan (bandits) cuz they owed garp a favour for keeping it low-key.
@painvillegaming41194 ай бұрын
@@emeye6452 and dadan did great
@emeye64524 ай бұрын
@@painvillegaming4119 W mom.
@emeye64524 ай бұрын
@@painvillegaming4119 crocomom take notes. 😭
@unrulysuwoo307510 ай бұрын
Well technically his woman was the queen of the country and he probably got a hit or 2 there
@planetbirthday685910 ай бұрын
Rayleigh for real probably didn't know, but if shanks in a light novel was able to figure out ace was Rogers son through just the name portgas than Rayleigh should have as well even if he never met him he was occasionally popping up in the news paper before his execution was announced so he was definitely aware of ace as a pirate
@Thepatheticone71810 ай бұрын
Just think if rayleigh just didn't give a fuck.
@D__63410 ай бұрын
Rayleigh might have thought his name would be Roger D Ace, and I don't think the crew knew who Portgas D Rouge was. Not even Buggy knew Ace was Roger's son. Shanks and Whitebeard didn't know, not until Ace said it. The only people who really know the truth are Garp, Luffy, Sabo, and the mountain bandits.
@darkwin197710 ай бұрын
i like the idea of Raylight chilling, getting a call from whitebeard like W. "lets go save ace" R. "ace, we playing poker?" W. "nah, Ace, my son, captured by the navy... he is also Roger's Son" R. "Cap, roger had no bitches" W. "what are you talking about? the one he left with Garp" R. "you telling me, MY BEST FRIEND, got bitches, got a whole ass son, and gave it to his biggest op instead of me? that kid's yours, you save him" *white beard hang up* R. "Roger did get the deadbeat quite literally, if that what he wanted to say"
@redtexan70539 ай бұрын
Hey, lets be fair here, they might've coparented Shanks, but they also coparented Buggy.
@michaeldavis69939 ай бұрын
He is a little odd, and he did take a different route, but he is also an emperor.
@Shaquillemcleary10 ай бұрын
Yeah why didn't Roger let Rayleigh raise his son instead of Garp😂😂😂😂
@Eden021110 ай бұрын
Rayleigh was on the Navy's radar. It was easier for Garp to hide him.
@nunnayorz583610 ай бұрын
The D connection?
@painvillegaming411910 ай бұрын
Considering Boa might actually be Rayleigh's kid 😂
@jaquanbrown41310 ай бұрын
I don't think but you might be on to something given that shaky was the queen before boa
@Eden021110 ай бұрын
@@jaquanbrown413She is the empress from two generations before Hancock, there is another one between them. It is basically Gloriosa -> Shakky -> Unknown Amazon -> Hancock.
@LeelosAdventure9 ай бұрын
The moment where Roger daps up Rayleigh for shakky is so funny
@YuGoTheSpeedSter10 ай бұрын
The way Rayleigh be simping on shaky
@Eden021110 ай бұрын
She is literally his wife.
@elii680710 ай бұрын
"Portgas" D. Ace. Rayleigh knew.
@Theultimatebepo10 ай бұрын
“That’s enough for today” me whenever I see KZbin and they be sus
@michaelmaxi21710 ай бұрын
You can do one on how whitebeard didn't teach ace anything about haki
@IGSA10110 ай бұрын
Ace had all three types in his light novel, his being near dead probably made him too weak to use it.
@somono511610 ай бұрын
That shit ain't even Ace or Whitebeard fault fr, Oda added mad stuff for Haki afterward and the novels made Ace seem even stronger than he was in-series. Same with Wano. In the manga Ace overly relied on his DF, but in the novels he's popping out with all this Haki??? Makes him look dumb as hell fr
@Eden021110 ай бұрын
Even if you don't count the novel, Ace already had all three types of Haki. He just didn't use it.
@waydenissupercoolwilliams106610 ай бұрын
@@somono5116 i feel like oda realized logias were to op and had to throw haki in
@brucbruce90096 ай бұрын
shit he scared ah emperor and the navy at the same damn time
@emeye64524 ай бұрын
He taught shanks that.
@ProeliiatorProDeus10 ай бұрын
He looks just like a young Roger and he is named after Roger's sword. He knew, he just dropped the ball
@eoptify10 ай бұрын
this gotta be the funniest anime channel ever
@kwhisper19608 ай бұрын
LOL tbf that’s a great excuse 😂 can’t blame a man for moving for the cheeks 😂
@angelique70710 ай бұрын
No one knew Roger had a son until Sengoku told everyone at the Marineford battle. They had no reason to think Roger had a surviving kid. There was a genocide of babies born after Roger’s death. That’s why Ace’s mom kept delaying her labor and didn’t give birth until 2 years after Roger died. Rayleigh couldn’t have known. It was a shock to everyone there.
@nunnayorz583610 ай бұрын
Rayleigh didn't know. It only came out that Ace was Roger's son at his execution. Plus Ace was using his mom's family name, not Roger's. It would have been different if his name was Gol D Ace. Rayleigh would spin all day for that.
@YuGoTheSpeedSter10 ай бұрын
I still can't believe this was a troll
@rimurugluttony10 ай бұрын
Amazonian chick! That's more than enough reason to spin on an Emperor. I respect that
@ssjgoben10 ай бұрын
Ain't gonna lie if Rayleigh pulled up ace would have lived lol
@MONKEYDZETS10 ай бұрын
No CAP😂
@marvin940910 ай бұрын
Don't think so. If Rayleigh would've pulled up, I don't think both Sengoku and Garp would've been so passive.
@siyabongamkhize6929 ай бұрын
He would have died to a yo daddy joke
@omariboyd273710 ай бұрын
The Roger Pirates probably didn't communicate much after the crew disbanded. There's no way the crew would know of Rouge unless it was offscreened.
@kwhisper19608 ай бұрын
I swear he didn’t know? Until it was too late 😅
@andrewhamm985510 ай бұрын
Where garp dies part 8
@fredorichards146310 ай бұрын
I love how he does little voices for everyone
@wana.me00310 ай бұрын
Co-parenting Shanks! Yessir!🥶
@bitviper343010 ай бұрын
Bro needed to say his girl homeland lmao
@chrisoliver712410 ай бұрын
To be fair. Rayleigh was protecting the Sunny
@pkmasterjt489910 ай бұрын
Rayleigh would probably give baby Ace up for gambling debts
@koldailair-rm1yj10 ай бұрын
I love Rayleigh but I immediately thought the same thing
@nunnayorz583610 ай бұрын
He might have been raised by Rayleigh and Shakky
@alwynjaegar177810 ай бұрын
Nah tho! Keep cookin lad! Ya got a point😮
@MurasakiTsukimaru10 ай бұрын
Damn, last time I was this early, I was being born
@brandonflemming6396 ай бұрын
I’m siding with Rayleigh on this 🤣🤣
@trinidadiannerdАй бұрын
my headcannon was always that rayleigh just couldn't make it too marineford in time, reminder he was in sabaody chilling after he done fought kizaru and his next move was too try and find the strawhats, keep in mind too that there's a whole whirlpool you gotta get passed to enter marine ford so rayleigh ain't swimming there. once he saw luffy and boa he just guessed luffy was gonna be on amazon lily afterwards and spent if i'm correct days trying get too him. plus could be rayleigh showing would lead too garp and sengoku fighting too stop him
@lividellis275710 ай бұрын
Dude he literally said he would have gotten smoked if black beard actually wanted to fight he only lived because Blackbeard is scared of his f****** repetition he is still known as that guy even though he doesn't have that guy in him anymore he even said it himself in the chapter
@animoments896910 ай бұрын
Relax dude. I swear powerscalers only pay attention to something when powerscaling is involved. This video is only meant to make people laugh. Yet here you are taking things seriously.
@lividellis275710 ай бұрын
@@animoments8969 first everyone else in the comments was also taking this more seriously than being funny and second I am not a power scalar I am just really saying what happens in the chapter Rayleigh literally says he couldn't beat Blackbeard even if he tried the only reason he survived because of his clout and his repetition
@laranja567810 ай бұрын
@@lividellis2757 reputation mate
@Mr._Galaxywide10 ай бұрын
Its not his fault that the Old gen members are "Old and Slow"
@Thepatheticone71810 ай бұрын
That's 100% cap have you seen this man rayleigh pulling up to amazon lily?
@Mr._Galaxywide10 ай бұрын
@@Thepatheticone718 I am being sarcastic and referencing KoL who said Garp was old and slow.
@Thepatheticone71810 ай бұрын
@@Mr._Galaxywide my bad.
@maresarcane87816 ай бұрын
Subtitles : conquerer's hockey
@emeye64524 ай бұрын
He was getting some action with shakky.
@kaelinjefferies92679 ай бұрын
Roger pressing Raleigh for no reason; we all know he hates ace 😂
@deionthurman726610 ай бұрын
It’s been a while but didn’t he only shed tears for White beard and not ace? Remember when he was drinking while watching the big screen?
@Hyper510410 ай бұрын
Yes but whitebeard was a dude he rocked with personally, he didnt know ace personally
@austinjacob577610 ай бұрын
my mans dont miss with these!
@itsjhitnotjit629210 ай бұрын
That’s crazy lol I forgot Rayleigh and Roger were connected and Rayleigh being alive coulda helped more to prevent ace death. That would change the marineford arc fr fr I feel like white beard would be the only dead one
@BenBenDavid-w9r10 ай бұрын
Roger named his son after his famous sword, I think Rayleigh could've connect the dots
@bjm1211005 ай бұрын
Me forgetting he’s just playing characters and expecting the imaginary “dap” To make a sound……nah that’s enough 💨 for today “
@lorddeath81252 ай бұрын
I subconsciously heard a clap for the dap
@XThelegendX56410 ай бұрын
W video but when next BIG chop
@tobiclarence523610 ай бұрын
That's all the motivation he needed.
@seanlockhart257310 ай бұрын
Rayleigh didn’t know Ace was his son, right?
@roseoliveira67099 ай бұрын
When he discovered, white beard crew and marine where already throwing hands, he couldn't possibly get there on time before ace died
@ahmadazem41677 ай бұрын
yes he didnt know lol
@15000avenger10 ай бұрын
Big chop pt 7 tho
@aspectbkc9 ай бұрын
BEST THEORY VIDEO EVER...🤣👍🏾
@jordanwalker681910 ай бұрын
Imagine zoro letting luffys only son die after luffy died
@animoments896910 ай бұрын
Well just like roger after they disband,luffy isnt the type of person whod get in touch with zorro and tell him " yo I just busted some cheeks" Everyone would not know luffy has a son
@jordanwalker681910 ай бұрын
@animoments8969 Roger and ace are identical twins. Rayleigh knew Roger from before his mustace so ain't no way he couldn't recognize ace
@frankfrimpong970310 ай бұрын
Ooooh naaa don't do this to our Dark King, he wasn't ordered to take care of Ace😂😂😂
@ProjectIceman10 ай бұрын
The only hit he could have got from that is that Roger's sword is the same name as his son
@JorgeRodriguez-xd8ue10 ай бұрын
The conversation would probably go like that ngl
@capricornprince798310 ай бұрын
Good video man you always have me cracking up but I like the fact that you openly left out the part where Rayleigh said that he will lose
@xenooteen626910 ай бұрын
bro is too underrated
@Yvng_Zy10 ай бұрын
Did I Die
@Bkwr.Y10 ай бұрын
Tbh he prolly didn't save him because he changed his dad
@YuGoTheSpeedSter10 ай бұрын
Why would he stop akainu from cooking and running a legendary fade Akainu vs The whole world
@austinlevy526910 ай бұрын
Ace looks like roger? I don't see it
@samuraitadpole545910 ай бұрын
Ong, I must be blind AF
@JayTowers90110 ай бұрын
They got the same hair and forehead
@Eden021110 ай бұрын
Yes, remove Roger's moustache and you get Ace basically.
@ManyTanks110 ай бұрын
Oda Drew what Ace woulda looked like at 40 years old and bro legit looks like Roger without the stache
@Thisguy018710 ай бұрын
Ace is literally Roger without a mustache. Search up; Roger without a mustache
@marvin940910 ай бұрын
01:05 But who of the top dogs would've backed down from Rayleigh, if they were already running fade with WB. Let's be honest here. One of the main reasons BB was so scred of WB during MF after getting manhandled and Rayleigh during his raid on Amazon Lily was because he saw the OG's of the era fight when he was a child and they were in their PRIME. That must've been cool and traumatizing as fvck. Especially after he was so cocky during the end of MF because WB was dying he quickly rembered even close to death, WB was a MONSTER. And Rayleigh fought on this calibre. He knew not to mess with him as there would've been to many casaulties even tho he most likeky could beat him. Rayleigh was only up against one person who could cause him trouble, at Marineford he'd have all of the admirals, Garp and Sengoku. If WB wouldn't be able to beat them, no one could, most likely his thought process. Apart from that, he knew the Boa Sisters and Shakky being the former empress probably made this whole shit kinda personal to him. Ace was a strong pirate himself but was part of the WB pirates. It was their responsabilty to save their crewmate, not his. Yeah, he was the son of his former captain, but he didn't know Ace but knew he's part of the, then, strongest crew in the world.
@jimmyringz255010 ай бұрын
Shakky top 1
@Android-ey6ud10 ай бұрын
Could of maybe told his first mate bout his kid, Roger really hoed Ace cause we could of had a Shanks little brother. Imagine the power status if Ace got training by Rayleigh, Shanks and maybe whitebeard (unsure how the whole relationship between the two would be in this powerful ace timeline) not to mention how he would of been able to give a decent fight with Magu doughnut ego
@youuii19 ай бұрын
I have a feeling Boa might actually be related to Rayleigh
@emeye64524 ай бұрын
Father in law. Luffys wife.
@H.N.I.C_Hennessy3 ай бұрын
I have a weird theory that Rayleigh and Shakky are Boa's parents 🤷🏾♀️
@Nasdontkno3 ай бұрын
Ion think Rayleigh would let his daughter get turned into a slave
@SenatiaA10 ай бұрын
That was the best one yet!😂
@10drop0110 ай бұрын
another tuff video
@magicpyroninja9 ай бұрын
F*** did I die?
@emeye64524 ай бұрын
Rayleigh is the only old head whose excuse is being old. Whiteboard with v7 cancer 💪🗿
@keanutaylor111010 ай бұрын
Anyone else not getting any sound on this one? 👀
@keanutaylor111010 ай бұрын
Nvm i fixed it! 😃
@KelbPanthera10 ай бұрын
"Looks like me?" Ace don't look nothing like Roger. Luffy look like Roger like a mofo though.
@marcusmcclain325110 ай бұрын
3 Admirals + The Entire Navy > One Emperor + his lieutenants + some jobbers Math checks out. Get offa Silvers' junk. He picked the right fight
@Thepatheticone71810 ай бұрын
nah he still should've tried bro.
@--Shadow-10 ай бұрын
And don't forget to add the fact that he saved some baddies. I'd do the same
@ShadowsWorld66610 ай бұрын
And his actual protoge future wife he knew what was more important fr
@lyrathedrunk10 ай бұрын
If it was Rayleigh vs 3 admirals + the navy sure, but it was WHITEBEARD and ALL of his Lieutenants and like a DOZEN other pirate FLEETS plus a ton of the world's WORST prisoners from Impel Down, Luffy, and ex WARLORDS vs 3 admirals and the navy. Add Rayleigh, who can hold off Kizaru solo, Ace would've been saved and with Whitebeard's sacrifice Rayleigh still could have escaped.
@roronoarollin484910 ай бұрын
Boa is Shakky & Ray Niece
@animoments896910 ай бұрын
We dont know that. Thats just speculation
@fadejarrar51142 ай бұрын
If he was going to be like shanks prepare to be fraud
@linneausmsiska118410 ай бұрын
Its too bad i don't watch one piece cause a lot of these youtubers anime sketches go over my head
@TheShuaib9310 ай бұрын
You are missing big time
@linneausmsiska118410 ай бұрын
ain't watching over a thousand episodes. i have seen some episodes though @@TheShuaib93
@ryanhickson639910 ай бұрын
@@linneausmsiska1184 Watch One Pace
@lexinime9 ай бұрын
@@linneausmsiska1184 That is a lie we tell ourselves until we try it. Heck, I was even saying Luffy's abilities and goal was lame. All in all, you probably have watched many animes already. Getting into an anime that has so many episodes may scare you but watching 20 different animes that have 12 or 22 episodes and watching one that has more than a thousand episodes are not that different as long as you enjoy them. One piece is long but we the viewers still want more because it is far too entertaining and intriguing. Just try it and you will love it.
@xxxskiactionthespunkgod52729 ай бұрын
Just watch one piece bruh
@sonicducktheinoccent10 ай бұрын
To be fair, they disnt need him They were home free, Ace just sold
@Chadmiral10 ай бұрын
Fr
@gosunflower10 ай бұрын
fantastic vid again
@moeinkhademi346910 ай бұрын
maybe they not blood related but she is his daughter and also maybe his student , i think he train her too and also his student future wife .d
@vibingone10110 ай бұрын
Early to the drop
@TeshiHexagon10 ай бұрын
Ace was a decoy. Luffy is Rogers son. Aces execution got the Marines to back down off Luffy, which they wouldn't have done if they thought he was Rogers son. Ace dying gave Luffy a chance
@lapizz451610 ай бұрын
luffy is dragon's son , ace is roger's son
@TeshiHexagon10 ай бұрын
@@lapizz4516 you completely missed my point. I'm aware that's what's stated in canon.
@sweetieglory185210 ай бұрын
now that ll'be an interesting plot twist
@kenordosmith10 ай бұрын
W vid
@ArkoKundu10 ай бұрын
fr
@ashtongarcia689420 күн бұрын
Nahhh how come shanks didn’t haki Wi-Fi his conquerors before ace died. Even if it didn’t scare the admirals it might deter them from trying to kill him as fast as possible. Also if Rayleigh could scare off Blackbeard shanks definitely could’ve like he did green bull
@olala-fe9rp10 ай бұрын
What if ace was a GIRL
@Kamui_Editz17810 ай бұрын
Bro had some hopes and dreams
@Generation-2-gun10 ай бұрын
Hi
@thedragononi66656 ай бұрын
I think rayleigh didn't save ace because he know he would hold back Luffy
@grunknoggenfogger98406 ай бұрын
Rayleigh, the guy who just squared up with Yonko Blackbeard, would hold back pre-TS Luffy?
@thedragononi66656 ай бұрын
@@grunknoggenfogger9840 I mean think about it if ace naver died Luffy would have most likely never Trane for two years with Luffy and his crew dieing in the new world