Why Do Catholics Accept the Deuterocanonical Scriptures?

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[@KP-ej7gc]

Never realized the word “canon” was applicable to anything other than fandoms. I definitely need Jesus.

[@alcarbo8613]

The Word Canon in that sense, was created for the Bible LOL

[@nathanjohnwade2289]

God has never been silent, actually, it's us humans refuse to listen.

[@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG]

Just read Wisdom 2:12-20. This is too strikingly perfect to not be inspired.

[@briannorris1300]

Wow! Thank you for showing me this.

[@tommydahlborgjr]

Having lived in a Protestant environment for the last 7 or so years, I’ve never read Wisdom of Solomon. This is amazing. Thanks for sharing!

[@jd3jefferson556]

@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG yes! The most beautiful prophecy for Christ in the Old Testament. In 2nd Maccabbees, we see a beautiful prophecy about the Ark of the Covenant. How the Ark won't be seen again until the Cloud descends upon it. Then at the Annunciation, the Cloud descends upon Mary the New Ark. Truly those Deuterocanonical books are gold for Christians

[@abc-eb7rq]

Our Protestant brothers say no one is infallible, then contradict themselves and claim their humanly devised criteria can infallibly determine what books are God-breathed Canon. But this cannot be true because fallible human opinion has no way of ever infallibly knowing what books are God-breathed. Happily, we can know what books are God-breathed Canon because God gave infallibility in this matter to "The One True Church," the Roman Catholic Church. This must be true or we can never know the authentic Bible.

[@shaolinshowdown1123]

Your a heretic or ignorant. You must not read your bible to determine if we can or cant find if Gods word is infallible. That shows the light inside you is week. The Holly ghost shows us the way if we seek GOD. How dare you smh. Remember... a book is not inspired by God because man made it canonical. A book is Conotical because God inspired it.

[@shaolinshowdown1123]

I got verses if you wish to challenge my view. Bible shows you how to tap into Holly spirit view. Lack of faith and power. Your connection with Jesus is mindless. Like a zombie cow. Gods church are lambs. His flock knows his voice. They recognize him. The Cattles recognize they're real father Satan. And blindnessly walk into the slaughter.

[@shaolinshowdown1123]

@Herro Donny I will do anything for truth. And care for all pegans souls. Jesus example is the model of humans. Anything against is of satan.

[@actuallicensedteacher1846]

@@shaolinshowdown1123 Then join His mystical body, The Church.

[@CPATuttle]

I noticed Protestants make a lot of assumptions

[@eve3363]

I feel that way about Catholicism.

[@CPATuttle]

@@eve3363 so then look at the evidence, from a knowledgeable Catholic, where these “assumptions” you feel Catholics make come from

[@Exmuslim2catholic]

Can some one answer for me a question on Baruch. I am a Catholic. A Lutheran was telling me today that Catholics added Baruch in the 9th century and that Jerome didn’t have. Baruch in the vulgate. I told him it was in the Septuagint and in the canon proposed by athanasius. Can anyone clarify for me more on this subject. Also we’re j can find sourcing to show him?

[@HillbillyBlack]

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. The affirming of Christ is broken up into the pentateuch and the Nevi'im. If the deuterocanonical cannon is “inspired” as scripture in accordance to the council of Trent, which category do these seven books fall into in order for Jesus to fulfill them? As far as I can tell in research there’s no law or prophetic passages in them. The law is sealed after Moses and before the prophets plus there doesn’t seem to be mention of any existing profits during the timeframe of these books.

[@Exmuslim2catholic]

@@HillbillyBlack there’s is prophesy in them. Such as Wisdom 2:12-20 12 “Let us lie in wait for the righteous man, because he is inconvenient to us and opposes our actions; he reproaches us for sins against the law, and accuses us of sins against our training. 13 He professes to have knowledge of God, and calls himself a child[a] of the Lord. 14 He became to us a reproof of our thoughts; 15 the very sight of him is a burden to us, because his manner of life is unlike that of others, and his ways are strange. 16 We are considered by him as something base, and he avoids our ways as unclean; he calls the last end of the righteous happy, and boasts that God is his father. 17 Let us see if his words are true, and let us test what will happen at the end of his life; 18 for if the righteous man is God’s son, he will help him, and will deliver him from the hand of his adversaries. 19 Let us test him with insult and torture, that we may find out how gentle he is, and make trial of his forbearance. 20 Let us condemn him to a shameful death, for, according to what he says, he will be protected.”

[@matthewnabil]

​@@HillbillyBlack Ketuvim.

[@michaelhaywood8262]

Some Protestant Bibles contain the Duetrocanical Books and lump them together between the OT and the NT under the name of Apocrypha. Also, the Protestant Bible cut out parts of the Books of Esther and Daniel which are also in the Apocrypha. Some copies of the Apocrypha also contain the two Books of Esdras and the short Prayer of Manasseh, which occur in some Eastern Orthodox Bibles.

[@vintagevmax2410]

And therefore there are 30,000+ different so called, Christian churches in the U.S.A.

[@HillbillyBlack]

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Christ affirms the pentateuch and the Nevi'im. If the deuterocanonical cannon is “inspired” as scripture in accordance to the council of Trent, which category do these seven books fall into in order for Jesus to fulfill them? As far as I can tell in research there’s no law or prophetic passages in them. The law is sealed after Moses and before the prophets plus there doesn’t seem to be mention of any existing profits during the timeframe of these books.

[@Optimus77Prime]

I don't think his answer is 100% reliable, especially about the first Counsel of Nicaea list of scriptures.

[@HillbillyBlack]

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. The affirming of Christ is broken up into the pentateuch and the Nevi'im. If the deuterocanonical cannon is “inspired” as scripture in accordance to the council of Trent, which category do these seven books fall into in order for Jesus to fulfill them? As far as I can tell in research there’s no law or prophetic passages in them. The law is sealed after Moses and before the prophets plus there doesn’t seem to be mention of any existing profits during the timeframe of these books.

[@matthewnabil]

The council of Nicea didn't have anything to do with Biblical canon. That council was about the Arian heresy, which eventuated in the Nicene creed.

[@HillbillyBlack]

@@matthewnabil council of hippo declared the cannon.

[@HillbillyBlack]

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Christ affirms the pentateuch and the Nevi'im. If the deuterocanonical cannon is “inspired” as scripture in accordance to the council of Trent, which category do these seven books fall into in order for Jesus to fulfill them? As far as I can tell in research there’s no law or prophetic passages in them. The law is sealed after Moses and before the prophets plus there doesn’t seem to be mention of any existing profits during the timeframe of these books.

[@jd3jefferson556]

The prophetess Anna is literally their at Christ's presentation. Sooo of course, the prophets didn't cease.

[@HillbillyBlack]

@@jd3jefferson556 show in scripture

[@jd3jefferson556]

@@HillbillyBlack uhh idk read the Presentation of Christ in the Temple, the prophetess Anna told people in the temple that the Christ was their. It's on you to prove in Scripture that the prophets were quiet for 400 years before Christ. Where is that written down in Scripture?

[@HillbillyBlack]

@@jd3jefferson556 she never gave prophecy. Thats key. And there are no more prophetic revelations after Malachi. The deuterocanonical cannon is neither law nor prophet so they don’t fit either.

[@matthewnabil]

​@HillbillyBlack So therefore Job, Proverbs, Ruth and so forth don't belong either as they are Ketuvim (writings) and neither Torah or Nevi'im. In the very beginning of the book of Acts, Peter directly quotes Psalms (which are ketuvim/writings) as having divine authority.

[@leofelipe3361]

One of their arguments about God silent is Luke 11:51. What could be think about that?

[@richardradice3391]

The last book of the OT by the protestant standard is Malachi. Luke 11:51 says this because Zachariah and Abel are killed, most prophets ended up being killed.

[@Caralaza]

@@richardradice3391 The true last book of the Bible is Chronicles II, in which Zechariah is killed (hence Abel, Genesis, to Zechariah, Chronicles II). Malachi is only the last book in most Christian canons because its ending aludes to the coming of the Messiah, a good lead into the Gospels.

[@shaolinshowdown1123]

@@Caralaza Matthew 23:35 Jesus professed this to the wicked pharisees. This passage is very significant because it mentions Able (in Genesis) all the way to Zachariah (Chronicles) which in chronological order is Malachi. Jesus recognized in scripture from Genesis all the way from Malachi. Which ultimately excludes the testaments of the Apocrypha.

[@shaolinshowdown1123]

Luke 24:44 (KJV) And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

[@j-mshistorycorner6932]

@@shaolinshowdown1123 A weak argument.

[@HollywoodBigBoss]

I used to be a Protestant but after reading the Deuterocannonical Books I could only conclude that those 7 books were Sacred Scripture and the Word of God.

[@HillbillyBlack]

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. The affirming of Christ is broken up into the pentateuch and the Nevi'im. If the deuterocanonical cannon is “inspired” as scripture in accordance to the council of Trent, which category do these seven books fall into in order for Jesus to fulfill them? As far as I can tell in research there’s no law or prophetic passages in them. The law is sealed after Moses and before the prophets plus there doesn’t seem to be mention of any existing profits during the timeframe of these books.

[@HollywoodBigBoss]

​​@@HillbillyBlack Wisdom of Solomon 2:12-20 12 “Let us lie in wait for the righteous man, because he is inconvenient to us and opposes our actions; he reproaches us for sins against the law, and accuses us of sins against our training. 13 He professes to have knowledge of God, and calls himself a child of the Lord. 14 He became to us a reproof of our thoughts; 15 the very sight of him is a burden to us, because his manner of life is unlike that of others, and his ways are strange. 16 We are considered by him as something base, and he avoids our ways as unclean; he calls the last end of the righteous happy, and boasts that God is his father. 17 Let us see if his words are true, and let us test what will happen at the end of his life; 18 for if the righteous man is God’s son, he will help him, and will deliver him from the hand of his adversaries. 19 Let us test him with insult and torture, that we may find out how gentle he is, and make trial of his forbearance. 20 Let us condemn him to a shameful death, for, according to what he says, he will be protected.” Sounds a lot like the Sadduccees and Pharisees and their plot to kill Jesus.

[@HollywoodBigBoss]

@@HillbillyBlack Baruch 3:29-37 RSV-CE 29 Who has gone up into heaven, and taken her, and brought her down from the clouds? 30 Who has gone over the sea, and found her, and will buy her for pure gold? 31 No one knows the way to her, or is concerned about the path to her. 32 But he who knows all things knows her, he found her by his understanding. He who prepared the earth for all time filled it with four-footed creatures; 33 he who sends forth the light, and it goes, called it, and it obeyed him in fear; 34 the stars shone in their watches, and were glad; he called them, and they said, “Here we are!” They shone with gladness for him who made them. 35 This is our God; no other can be compared to him! 36 He found the whole way to knowledge, and gave her to Jacob his servant and to Israel whom he loved. 37 Afterward she appeared upon earth and lived among men.

[@HollywoodBigBoss]

@@HillbillyBlack Wisdom of Solomon 2:12-20 12 “Let us lie in wait for the righteous man, because he is inconvenient to us and opposes our actions; he reproaches us for sins against the law, and accuses us of sins against our training. 13 He professes to have knowledge of God, and calls himself a child of the Lord. 14 He became to us a reproof of our thoughts; 15 the very sight of him is a burden to us, because his manner of life is unlike that of others, and his ways are strange. 16 We are considered by him as something base, and he avoids our ways as unclean; he calls the last end of the righteous happy, and boasts that God is his father. 17 Let us see if his words are true, and let us test what will happen at the end of his life; 18 for if the righteous man is God’s son, he will help him, and will deliver him from the hand of his adversaries. 19 Let us test him with insult and torture, that we may find out how gentle he is, and make trial of his forbearance. 20 Let us condemn him to a shameful death, for, according to what he says, he will be protected.”

[@HillbillyBlack]

@@HollywoodBigBoss who’s the ACTIVE prophet speaking here? It has to be an active KNOWN prophet to be in the “prophets” camp. How does being a secretary of Jeremiah make him a prophet?

[@1776iscool]

2:29, God did promise silence in Joel 8:12. You also didn't mention that these books were not canon until 1546, and they were never Jewish canon.

[@fatesrequiem]

They weren’t declared canon until 1546...but they were being used predominantly as said canon from approx 410 AD onwards.

[@bijoythewimp2854]

But Jesus quote from 1Esdras

[@freakylocz14]

But they were always Christian canon. They were included in the Greek Septuagint that used during the time Christ was on Earth.

[@omi8015]

......yeah im not convinced.

[@draytonthomasjaymes8944]

OMI Catholics put them in when Luther said aight I’m out. Jews said these books are not God inspired.

[@ironymatt]

@@draytonthomasjaymes8944 the Jews who claimed the deuterocanonicals weren't inspired by God were the same Jews who rejected Jesus as the Messiah. Not a good idea to put any stock in their credibility.

[@HillbillyBlack]

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Christ affirms the pentateuch and the Nevi'im. If the deuterocanonical cannon is “inspired” as scripture in accordance to the council of Trent, which category do these seven books fall into in order for Jesus to fulfill them? As far as I can tell in research there’s no law or prophetic passages in them. The law is sealed after Moses and before the prophets plus there doesn’t seem to be mention of any existing profits during the timeframe of these books.

[@shaolinshowdown1123]

[1] True 1:50. But.. Matthew 23:35 Jesus professed this to the wicked pharisees. This passage is very significant because it mentions Able (in Genesis) all the way to Zachariah (Chronicles) which in chronological order is Malachi. Jesus recognized in scripture from Genesis all the way from Malachi. Which ultimately excludes the testaments of the Apocrypha. Jesus even said in Luke 24:44 (KJV) And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. thoes books cant be of the prophets. No excuse. [2] and the reference that Jesus and deciples quoting the Apocrypha is same logic as when Paul quoted some pegan philosophers statements here and there. Should we then add all those books to bible aswell? [3] The idea is not to score points or appeal to authority. A bad argument is an argument with a false premise or a conclusion that doesnt necessarily prove its premise. That which is an, illogical fallacy. Consensus in church doesnt make anything valid. And there were early Catholic church fathers who were skeptical about Apocrypha aswell.. [4] I would LOVE TO HEAR any Catholic try to disprove me on this. All you really have to go on is that you trust the Catholic father by blind faith. LITERALLY your only option tbh.

[@stevetucker5851]

You people are the same as KJV onlyists. You’re view of the Bible is based on research of information that seems to make sense on the surface but has many more details that you’ve overlooked. It’s a more complex issue than you realize, and you haven’t researched it as in depth as you need to. I suggest reading “Why Protestant Bibles Are Smaller” by Steve Christie.

[@richardradice3391]

The Deuterocanonical are from the LXX which the Apostles and Christ would have used for their ministry. This man is an apologetics expert so his technique doesn't involve history.

[@shaolinshowdown1123]

@@richardradice3391 [1] doesnt mean history doesnt apply my guy. Science just presents the evidence. Scientist make the conclusions. Just cuz you point a finger of authority doesnt mean they valid. [2] The idea is not to score points or appeal to authority. A bad argument is an argument with a false premise or a conclusion that doesnt necessarily prove its premise. That which is an, illogical fallacy. [3] Rememebr a book is not inspired by God because man made it canonical. A book is Conotical because God inspired it.

[@j-mshistorycorner6932]

Actually, some of us have done quite a bit of research. jmshistorycorner.wordpress.com/2018/06/26/the-canon-of-scripture-part-1-the-apocrypha/

[@bijoythewimp2854]

@@shaolinshowdown1123 and for some reason, revelation is not found in some Bible

[@shaolinshowdown1123]

@@bijoythewimp2854 which ones? I dont read those.