Why Do Socialists Hate Charity?

I'll just give nothing at all, if that's how you're gonna act!
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[@seganesergrafxvision64_92]

I consider socialists to be the flat earthers of economist/politicians

[@markzuckergecko621]

Lmao, this is actually really poignant and hilarious. The beauty is in the simplicity.

[@k96man]

I'll have to remember this one

[@Noizemaze4]

Hell, they're the flat earthers of everything

[@IceQueen975]

Damn, you finally summed it up real simply. Gotta use this.

[@theguybehindyou4762]

Remember that old proverb about underestimating stupid people in big numbers.

[@SouthernGothicYT]

"we are all each other's business" should immediately set off your fight or flight instinct.

[@k96man]

"everybody belongs to everybody"

[@Weshopwizard]

I’m not so much into the flight part.

[@eliseosterbrink8000]

@@k96man Every body belongs to everybody. Even the nonbinary map bipoc ones.

[@nsanenbrane53]

I actually think this idea has some merit. Being in the business of others is the bedrock of community. If you aren’t concerned with what others around you do it ceases to be a community. Obviously with communism that’s a different story.

[@elusivemayfly7534]

True charity is about giving yourself to others, as the early Christian church did among themselves and in their communities. It’s a full way to live, pouring into one another’s lives. But it’s different giving of yourself, vs. relinquishing of yourself under compulsion.

[@clongshanks5206]

This goes back to your old video on Economic Systems “They don’t love the poor, they just hate the rich”

[@finngeometry7570]

First of Dev’s videos I ever found. I still go back to it, one of his best.

[@markzuckergecko621]

Socialist just hate life in general.

[@stefanyuwono1909]

Specifically, taking from people richer than themselves. IMO, this is probably why the majority of socialists are fulltime activists, only barely holding part time jobs. They become Freeriders, because they don't want to be the ones getting their ownerships taken by the Freeriders. Some of them might be honest enough to state this outright, but all of them instinctively understands this even if they're dumb. Y'know socialism is a great way to setup institutionalized poverty. All of socialism's principles glorifies poverty and pushes society towards it.

[@kriegjaeger]

Even simpler; "They don't love, they hate." They're driven by envy and greed. This is what makes them useful idiots.

[@TwoBs]

Just look at how so many scoff and look down on the poor in certain areas due to how they vote and reside. “Ew you are from a family of coal miners? your county votes in high numbers for republicans? I don’t care if you’re a poor, YOU aren’t the working class we’re talking about!” They only champion those that fall in line and can be underneath _them_ …

[@SethAurelius94]

C.S. Lewis once said that charity is not simply just giving alms to the poor but to love strangers. Treating people you do not know with empathy and compassion and that this is what god meant when he instructed us to love our neighbors of as our selves.

[@therealfriday13th]

One of the things I can agree with him on.

[@markzuckergecko621]

I never give anything tangible to the homeless people in my area, no money, not even food, the one thing I'll do is talk to them. Just have a normal conversation. I don't believe in enabling their poor decisions by giving them stuff, but they're still human beings that deserve to be treated like normal human beings, I don't think very many people will just talk to them about normal nonsense.

[@maxxor-overworldhero6730]

@@therealfriday13th Only one?

[@SethAurelius94]

@@Aetherreal C.S. Lewis once wrote an essay titled "Why I'm not a Pacifist" in wich he refutes the idea that turning the other cheek means letting people walk on us but rather that we face and stop evil when it is within out power to do so but temper this action with mercy and restraint by not escalating the violence but only being perportionate in retribution.

[@maxxor-overworldhero6730]

@@Aetherreal That question is so blatantly loaded, that it's not even worth answering.

[@grimnir8872]

Solidarity instead of charity sounds like to me you need to accept their viewpoint to get their help, which ultimately is what goes against charity, which is giving aid where NEEDED regardless of politics.

[@CallanElliott]

Yeah, it did seem to be more about immediate convenience rather than any kind of goodness, wholesomeness or virtue. But then again socialism is a materialist philosophy...

[@HiddenOcelot]

@@CallanElliott That's not always true, socialism had ideological roots, read Hegel if you're so inclined to find out how socialism and ideas actually started.

[@HiddenOcelot]

Hegel believed specifically that ideas were in a triad of idealism/ideology (the dialectic), thesis, antithesis and synthesis. The idea is placed against its opposite, and then is synthesized into a new idea, this is the basis for the idea of "revolution" in Marxism. How Marxism used the dialectic was to take the status quo, to put it up against its opposite, and synthesize a new status quo. This is the idea of the revolution, to put the capitalist idea/status quo in opposition to socialisms ideas/status quo, and create communism.

[@LEARSIKCIGAM]

solidarity = whatever charity = something

[@jimass13]

Reminds of an Onion video: "Christian Charity Helps To Feed Non-Gay Hungry"

[@aphixios]

Because charity relies on people uplifting each other rather than being reliant on government support in order to survive, if you have money you have the ability to say NO

[@keodiozubu8670]

So there should be no government aid to veterans….

[@DM-mi4je]

@@keodiozubu8670 nah. More like this is why socialist hate Charity. An answer the question

[@markzuckergecko621]

@@keodiozubu8670 nice straw man.

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

Because it requires no authority or central powers. It is voluntary and optional.

[@keodiozubu8670]

@@markzuckergecko621 I mean if you think the ONLY reason why some folks hate charity is that it lifts people up then obviously it sounds like you don’t government aid at all or that it’s useless

[@danielseelye6005]

After seeing this and thinking about the latest legal battle within BLM, my takeaway is: Charity is direct interaction "Solidarity" is adding a middleman to the transaction so The Grift goes on.

[@inthefade]

Nailed it.

[@TheDarkAngel969]

What legal battle? What did the group get into this time?

[@mrbigglezworth42]

@@TheDarkAngel969 the various former and present leaders of BLM are suing each other for stealing money from the group to buy mansions. As in, one set is upset that there wasn’t as much money for them to buy their own mansions because the previous group already took it.

[@lainiwakura1776]

@@TheDarkAngel969 AJW has a video about it, but someone stole money from the organization and locked everyone else out of the social media accounts despite already receiving over $2 million in pay.

[@peepfacts6546]

Care to explain this “middleman’

[@GD0nly]

"Spare change, anything helps!" Yeah brother, I hate the rich too, solidarity man. "Oh, thank you so much, my homelessness is resolved!"

[@oldluke7653]

We have fat homeless people

[@opinionatortv6457]

Bruh momento Numero tres

[@Gamerguy826]

Imagine trying to buy a house with a bag of Nickels. If a Socialist ever tried that I'm pretty sure that the landlord would be in hysterics.

[@unbearablysmug2437]

How can you possibly straw man this hard and also have the mental capacity to not choke to death on you're own spit?

[@oldluke7653]

@@unbearablysmug2437 just don't look up

[@terradraca]

"We need solidarity" No, we need actual real things. Buzzwords do not put food on the table.

[@slydoorkeeper4783]

This, this is why I can't take the socialist argument to increase wages the way THEY want to. They seem to think if we just give more money to people the world would be better. When in reality, the world would be better if we had more goods and services in the system. But I constantly see the most useless people demanding the most pay. And those who tend to work their wage don't say much at all about it.

[@terradraca]

@@slydoorkeeper4783 Next time they argue that if we just give the poor more money, all shall be groovy, point them to the number of people who win the lottery only to lose it all in five years. The lesson from that is clear: Poverty is a state of mind, not a dollar amount.

[@gregajohnson1985]

we need a productive labor force, with a lot of voluntary economic mobility, to produce things.

[@hungryburger1170]

@@terradraca yea i'm living in a $1 house in Detroit but god damn am i rich!

[@Pyrotrainthing]

“Solidarity not Charity” More like “Stupidity not Generosity”

[@justinambru8529]

Awwww shhhiiiieeeetttt.

[@CorwinTheOneAndOnly]

Because the one thing that absolutely destroys the morality of any socialist movement is one person with genuine empathy and self-sacrifice.

[@DrachonaTheWolf]

"If I'm a horrible person, then good people don't actually exist."

[@Gulgathydra]

The the thing that destroys any socialist movement is the same as what destroyed the Great And Powerful Oz: *a peek at the man behind the curtain*

[@unbearablysmug2437]

So like what are you basing this opinon on? Who am I kidding feelings are basically the same as facts for you people.

[@CorwinTheOneAndOnly]

@@unbearablysmug2437 Username: Unbearably Smug Comment: Contains the usage of the words "opinion", "feelings", and "facts" completely interchangeably. Bias: Refers to a promptly diagnosed enemy as "you people". Oh yeah, it's socialist revolutionary time.

[@unbearablysmug2437]

@@CorwinTheOneAndOnly yeah dude? I don't see a problem? Are your opinions not based in facts?

[@ReboyGTR]

*Becauce charities are private. They want the state to give money to the poor instead of private citizens.*

[@Lin-ij9vk]

absolutely wrong. they don't care if the poor gets the money in the first place.

[@Zal0vid]

@@Lin-ij9vk they'd most likely pocket the money

[@jumpman1848]

@@Lin-ij9vk no, correct they don't care about the poor and pocket some. But they do want the power of having people dependent upon the state.

[@PaulvonOberstein]

Socialists: "Spending money on bourgeois political campaigns for liberal politics is bad because that money could be spent buying homeless people food." Also socialists: "Socialists buying designer clothes and multi million-dollar mansions is good because that is what is necessary to survive under capitalism."

[@somerandomnesspoo8467]

You hate charity because you're a cringe Socialist I hate charity because I played Knights of the Old Republic II We are not the same

[@KopperNeoman]

Kreia approves of giving a fish to the starving man if it's done to prove rhe efficacy of fishing to him.

[@ximthedespot4673]

@@KopperNeoman Kreia is pretty much a self insert of Chris Avellon for not liking Star Wars and wanting to subvert expectations. Unlike Ryan Johnson, he did his research on Star Wars, thus it was more articulated.

[@OniGanon]

Kreia is correct though. Charity weakens the reciever. It's like very unhealthy food. If you're starving, you should eat it. But you should know that the longer you keep eating it, the more it will destroy you, making you dependant on others instead of developing your own abilities.

[@Volper1]

I genuinely find it hilarious that so much of my generation (millennials) idolize Marx. He was such a shit human being, always blaming everyone else for his own problems and short comings. Always begging for money, angry at society for not giving him stuff for free and forever whining about how hard his life is. He’s the Prime Millennial, the originator of the species. My generation is exactly like him.

[@bajavolvo]

Didn’t Marx spend all his time on some rich woman’s couch?

[@bryant9774]

He was also an "irony bro", being a broke journalist advocating revolution to workers of countries he never went to, simultaneously sending his daughter to private school and private music lessons in the suburbs living off his friend who owned sweat shops.. he was also a self hating jew and thought blacks were mentally children. He's a nyc liberal personified.

[@Masami_Salami]

You pretty much nailed why millennials like him so much.

[@Masami_Salami]

@@bajavolvo Pretty much.

[@avroarchitect1793]

Practically the Patron of the Millennial Generation.

[@joshuagraham3854]

Charity is beautiful because you have no obligation to help someone...and choose to do so anyway. It is why even if liberty could not be considered a good in itself, it is among the highest of virtues, because in a state of liberty alone can people choose good over evil.

[@combinecommando001]

True freedom is the ability to choose for yourself, not through pressure of any kind, just your own morality and situation.

[@unbearablysmug2437]

@@combinecommando001 I love having the freedom to die of an infection or be plunged into medical debt forever. Because that is the freedom many have right now in this country, and charity isn't doing enough

[@unbearablysmug2437]

That is such a naive take that helps no one. Please stop you people make things worse

[@achair7958]

@@unbearablysmug2437 appropriate name

[@joshuagraham3854]

@@unbearablysmug2437 Username checks out.

[@horvathbenedek3596]

On a sidenote: I think people rightfully connect a negative undertone to charity, for the simple reason that today charity has become a money laundering institution for many people. Charity is supposed to be a fundamentally altruistic, or at least economically altruistic act. It's a sacrifice. If you give to charity, but it goes back in your pocket, and you avoid taxes, that's not altruism. However, this says less about the institution of charity, and more about its corruption by modern society.

[@stefanyuwono1909]

Well the charity perks are given by governments,so really the governments corrupts the concept of charity, instead of modern society.

[@therealfriday13th]

Ironically enough, this is why I trust religious charities while I have zero trust in religion as a whole and religious institutions in particular.

[@als3022]

Stick with local, if i can look in the eyes of those who I am helping I know more of it will go to them.

[@16m49x3]

@@als3022 None of the beggars in my city are locals...

[@Nukestarmaster]

@@therealfriday13th One, caveat. You should never trust Islamic "Charities", as Islam has a very different definition of "charity" than we do (all money given to such charities MUST be spent in a way that benefits Islam).

[@Martorfunk]

I love how destiny basically explains the "Teaching a man to fish will fed him forever" to this guy and he immediately admits is not about make sure that poor has sustainable food but about giving them food and keeping them poor. At the end of the day this proves that socialist never wanted to help others, at least not out of their own heart but only cause doing so would mean they are morally superior, they care about the power it gives them against the poor and average/rich person and only cause reaffirming we are all connected makes them entitled to make all the demands they want to. That's why you wont find a socialist who actually does want to abolish classes or make sure workers are better, they need the oppressed to keep being an oppressed so they can keep exploiting them. Remember, socialism is the politic of the envious and loser.

[@januarysson5633]

It is also the politics of the NIMBYist.

[@elusivemayfly7534]

I got so triggered by that dude. Destiny was gracious not to put the shoe on the other foot and ask how much time or money he’d given to feed the hungry or provide any other direct help to others.

[@markzuckergecko621]

You can't make a short man taller, but you can cut off a tall man's legs.

[@nothingreallyrhymeswithora9377]

There is a reason why so many champagne socialists exist. How many would-be socialists are actual rich people trying to preach about how socialism would be so good for everyone while they enjoy their lives in the lap of luxury. It's such a joke.

[@mjbull5156]

A man who can feed himself does not need socialists. If he gets really good at feeding himself he might create a surplus and become a Capitalist and join the wrong side.

[@Chimeratech_O.D.]

So, to put it simply for explaining to someone: You just finished working today. You made your boss proud and got a nice bonus. When you come home, you see your neighbour to the right and to the left moping around because they got laid off. The man on the right is a friend and you know his wife and kids. The man on the left is single, and a major D-Bag who yells at the other man's kids for playing outside. Charity is seeing the man on the right, taking pity, and helping them pay the bills so their kids don't have to go hungry. Solidarity is where someone at a desk you never met looks at a report that the man on the left is jobless, see that you, their neighbour, have a bonus you "don't need", and take it out of your account to put in your neighbours'. If I missed something, do tell me.

[@bigdiccmarty9335]

You missed the part where the D bag joins a riot, murders the employed neighbor to liberate his stolen wealth, then finds some trumped up charges for the happily married neighbors to kill the husband, rape/murder the wife, and brainwash the children It's more a part 2 than anything really

[@juliantheapostate8295]

Nope. You've covered everything

[@Nomorehero07]

By far the best and simple explanation.

[@k_tess]

Yes! You should also give to the man on the left, not because he's your friend. Not because he's your neighbor. But simply because he's a man in need. Yes he might be an asshole, but you helping him is not just righteous, it is beyond so. In doing so you may teach him to be more empathetic. That being said the majority of the bomus should go to your friend. Because he has a wife and children. More people are depending on him. Edit: I say "should" be I don't mean that you are obligated to. But that if your goals are to go above and beyond in a moral sense, then this is an action you would best take.

[@alexisleskinen6090]

@@k_tess cuck ideology

[@cole8834]

As someone who has Schizoid personality disorder (and am just independently minded in general), to me, the socialist concept of not having the right to be left alone is the closest thing to Hell on Earth possible.

[@beancraver4048]

If I had to spend the rest of my life interacting with these people, I'd fucking snap

[@MidlifeRenaissanceMan]

@@beancraver4048 I find that so long as the voices in my head say “Hey Chris. Just act normal, they haven’t noticed us, everything will be OK….” things tend to go smoothly. It’s when they get me to say the quiet bits out loud for them. That’s when the fun starts.

[@Zal0vid]

@@MidlifeRenaissanceMan BRUH

[@rwberger6]

As someone who's not schizoid, I agree.

[@userequaltoNull]

As an Autist, I agree wholeheartedly.

[@josephpentony4804]

I've seen some socialists and lefties who argue that a system that needs charity in order to take care of the needy has failed. I'd argue that a system that relies on forcing others to provide for the needs of the poor rather that working to help the poor elevate themselves has failed.

[@ExPwner]

You are entirely correct.

[@slydoorkeeper4783]

Right, like why are some people poor. I know some poor people because they decided to get into drugs/alcohol and we all know those things are money pits. Or some people who are just constantly spending their money because they have no impulse control or willingness to not care for themselves but pay others to. The second group seem to have a bunch of subscription services or as I often see, don't cook for themselves so they constantly go to McDonalds. I'd rather help people get off drugs, alcohol, stop chasing the lottery, learn to cook for themselves, and just get better at evaluating what they actually need in life. But the socialists seem to rather let everyone give into every vise and just let those more successful provide to sustain them.

[@rabidrabids5348]

We already pay for plenty of social services through our taxes, like education, fire departments, police... why shouldn't better social safety nets be part of that?

[@FTZPLTC]

You're really just describing what left-wing and right-wing mean. Unironically: well done. Keep it in mind that that's what they mean, and arguably all they mean. Then, next time you see people arguing about what the left or the right think, you can see how much crap they're talking.

[@ExPwner]

@@rabidrabids5348 none of those should be forced upon people or done through the state.

[@TheDigitalApple]

Because throughout history, various charities had to get involved in helping feed the hungry people during famines caused by the failures of Communism and Socialism!

[@markzuckergecko621]

Don't give the plebs food! How will they know they're plebs??

[@slashbash1347]

Really? They often confuse the two, like when they argue that Jesus was a socialist.

[@wolfboy414_lac]

this implies that they follow their own standards. they flip flop on issues when it suits them

[@Gamerguy826]

There are two reasons for that. 1: Socialists hate private charity but love to take credit for it when it benefits the community. It's a common Socialist PR tactic. Jesus being a religious icon of charity is important to them because they view him as the potentially perfect icon of "solidarity". Fidel Castro called himself "Christian" until his rise to power was complete, then turned his back on it and banned Christian charities because they were competition for the Communist government. 2: Jesus is one of the most important religious figures in the Western World. Trying to portray him as a Socialist is very beneficial for their political agenda. It also makes them look "tolerant" to include him in their propaganda repertoire but will gladly discard him and his image if Communism does officially rise because his scriptural nature will always be considered "reactionary". I'm pointing this out because I made that misconception and mistake myself. Jesus wasn't a Socialist. He didn't demand that the government do charity work (not that I know of anyway) and gave to the poor based on what he had on hand.

[@elusivemayfly7534]

Good original comment and discussion. I can see how someone would think that if they had read some of Jesus’ teachings and picked up on the collectivist culture he was part of. Jesus’ disciples wanted Him to lead a revolution against Rome. But the revolution he led was much bigger. He had to submit in order to overthrow the ruling powers. His followers submitted similarly, sharing their resources in what probably looked rather Socialist. But as y’all indicated, this was originally in spite of the state, not through it.

[@famalam943]

Charity helps those exist within the current framework while socialism is about dismantling the framework. When the detrimental effects of capitalism is what’s supposed to bring about socialism, then anything that keeps those struggling from hitting rock bottom is anti-socialism… you’re just making the worker comfortable, and the comfortable have no interest in dismantling the system.

[@januarysson5633]

Correct. One of the main justifications for the welfare state is that it would lower crime rates which is a compelling government interest.

[@mghegotagun]

It's the little things like this that don't get nearly as much vocalization from communist muppets that really make a person realize these people are truly evil.

[@pathfindersavant3988]

Sorta like how Upton Sinclair malded when Roosevelt passed the Meat Inspection act and Pure Food and Drug act?

[@unbearablysmug2437]

No, that's communism. Socialism works with capitalism

[@WhiskeyPatriot]

@@unbearablysmug2437 Fucking what?

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

A friend of mine dated a Communist. His ex argued the thing with charity is that it was voluntary. Yes. That's exactly what he said was his rationale to not approve charity. That it was voluntary.

[@DrachonaTheWolf]

Because every single person I've seen who promotes communism is significantly insecure (i.e. mentally unstable). On some level, they recognize their problems, but they don't know how to deal with them, and this leads to self-hatred. They then project that hatred onto others and, ultimately, have the unspoken attitude that no one can voluntarily be good. Everyone must be just as horrible and selfish as they secretly or subconsciously perceive themselves to be.

[@joshuarichardson6529]

Charity at gunpoint is the ultimate goal of socialism. You totally have the "right" to refuse to give in front of a firing squad.

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

@@joshuarichardson6529 exactly.

[@dislike_button33]

How are people this openly evil?

[@superscatboy]

"I will not volunteer because nobody else is being forced to", big brain logic

[@pheonixostapowich3797]

Because charity is voluntary lol.

[@Laneous14]

Because charity is often done because you have a good heart and willing to sacrifice your personal capital. Things that no socialists have since their hearts are withered and their capital is part of the group.

[@pheonixostapowich3797]

@@Laneous14 agreed.

[@agm5424]

Paying taxes = letting the ruling class take your hard earned money so they can use it for whatever THEY want without you having any say so on the matter.

[@-JazzHands-]

Taxation is theft!

[@igooog]

Charity is solidarity realized. Solidarity is telling a homeless man you feel his hunger. Charity is feeding him.

[@Eirik_Bloodaxe]

Commie: You should get out there on the streets and do the fucking work. Christians: Do exactly that Commie: YOURE JUST BEING CAPITALISTS

[@TheOutlawMan]

The absolute gall of somebody who calls themselves a socialist and a Christian. You are not supposed to "unlearn" the teachings of the church, because they are teachings of Christ. Their subversive nonsense is blatant in their words and expressed goals, and they should be shunned wholeheartedly for it.

[@oggolbat7932]

Imagine having to love and hate the bourgeois at the same time

[@davidgusquiloor2665]

It's fundamentally flawed and contradictory. Socialism is materialistic to the core, and Christianity by virtue of following Christ can't be based in materialism.

[@lainiwakura1776]

I love a good excommunication!

[@cl0k3]

Such rhetoric is quite disgusting tbh. I find it quite infuriating that those folk call themselves Christians without really grasping the positions of the church on these issues.

[@scitechian]

I have to disagree partially. The phrase "The Church" is almost always used to refer to the purely human institute of the religious bureaucracy that is organized religion. Since it was thought up by, implemented by, and maintained by humans, it is fallible, and we have tangible proof that it has repeatedly failed to live up to the example set forth by Christ. I believe in the teachings of Christ, not the bishops nor the pastors.

[@PothePerson]

Basically, they want to give charity, but they would rather force someone richer than them to give instead

[@ussalabama2870]

"Are there no prisons, are there no workhouses"- Comrade Scrooge.

[@masteroogway6660]

Charity is understanding the world isn't perfect, and as such you should seek to give aid to those less fortunate, solidarity is the belief the world ought to be perfect, and you should just hang anyone in the way of that until you reach utopia. One creates corpses and helps noone longterm, one feeds the poor temporarily and ignores the imbalance that leaves them unable to help themselves, neither solves the problem, but only one actively kills alot more people by design.

[@stefanyuwono1909]

Charity is the humility and understanding that the world will never be perfect, while solidarity is the arrogance that only certain people knows how to make the world perfect

[@therealfriday13th]

Not all forms of charity ignore the imbalance.

[@mutestingray]

@@stefanyuwono1909 well put. I'd also say that Communism is incredibly cynical while charity is hopeful. I'd choose hope any day.

[@FTZPLTC]

"solidarity is the belief the world ought to be perfect, and you should just hang anyone in the way of that until you reach utopia." I mean... that's just not true. Maybe if you talk to a bunch of dumbass reddit tankies you might get that impression, but most socialists don't actually want to murder anyone if it can be avoided.

[@Prich319]

I suppose it would depend on the charity. If you give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. If you teach a man to fish, he can feed himself for the rest of his days. The knowledge has more value, and it can't be taken away from the recipient once taught.

[@5uperM]

Because it's charity. You only feel good for doing it. You don't get clout for doing it.

[@CptManboobs]

Thank you for reading Marx's satanic nonsense in my stead Dev, I would not have the mental fortitude to endure reading such garbage myself.

[@robertmartin6800]

Because charity is voluntary, and they don't believe people should be allowed a say in weather or not they share.

[@Mis73rRand0m]

This is why rights to self defense and defense of property are paramount. If you have no property to value; hard to sympathize with the people you want to steal from.

[@misakathememetic9268]

This is like that “I don’t want solutions, I want to be angry” meme.

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

Before watching the video, I'm going to make the rather benign prediction that Socialists are against charity as a consequence of their revolutionary inclinations. Charity within a capitalist system runs counter to the Socialist revolutionary objective, propping up the system rather than tearing it down, because when the financial issues of the poor are alleviated through charity, revolutionary sentiment finds less purchase to take root. Of course, Socialists will never admit that the logical extension of this means they have a vested interest in deteriorating the living conditions of society at large and the poor in particular, all the while pretending that their sole objective is to alleviate the suffering of the downtrodden and the oppressed.

[@feliperisseto9113]

If you go to church, a thing you will learn very soon is that charity is infinitelly more worth It than paying taxes. You and I have a obligation with God to care for those in need, we as individuals. By transmiting this responsibility to the government or other authority, you are just washing your hands from any responsibility, while giving resources to people who are not reliable.

[@SvendleBerries]

Why would God need us to do that in the first place?

[@aguilarraliuga1777]

@@SvendleBerries because nothing can be as perfect as god, hence he guides us like a father to help us learn from him and better ourselves and our fellow man

[@SvendleBerries]

@@aguilarraliuga1777 God is perfect, yet he cannot create perfection? Doesnt that make God IMperfect by technicality? Or is it the he _chooses_ not to create perfection? See, thats the problem with having an "all knowing and all powerful" God. You have to start making up excuses for the fact that the world is the way that it is. God is either not as powerful as he says he is, or this is all by design, making the horrific life we all live something he intended as some kind of experiment. Which, if God were Human, would put him in violation of a great many ethicacy laws. Humans that perform these kinds of monstrous experiments on people tend to be thrown into prison. Unless, of course, they work for the government.

[@happytrees6484]

@@SvendleBerries your view is warped insofar as you seem to believe life is a bad thing, based of your horrific life comment. Maybe stop hating so much

[@k_tess]

@@SvendleBerries God is a heavenly FATHER, not a heavenly mother. A father wants his child to be a Conquerer. A Creator God that views his greatest creation as a successor, wants his "children" to create. To beat the world into submission. To reach into the Platonic realm, grab an idea, drag it into the real world, and make it real. To be so strong that you can afford to show mercy and be gentle. These are the things that makes a man a good man. Pain and suffering must exist to be beaten into submission, to be eaten and shat out by mankind. You need an imperfect world for that to happen. Man is a logical anomally. If man were a perfect creature in perfect world, he would not be man. He would not be able to stand against adverse circumstances. But a man is an imperfect creature in an imperfect world. But in his soul he knows what is right. In his Soul he knows he must perfect himself, then his gaze falls upon the injustice of the world. And such injustice will not be able to stand this gaze of the virtuous.

[@frontrider3240]

Boils down to "if you're not with us, you are against us!".

[@ilovegorillas9675]

I think this video helped me realise why I'm against "diversity and inclusion". It's the fact that there is no ability to say no. You HAVE to accept the inclusion of anyone who demands to be apart of something. You HAVE to show some form of diversity. That even if in history there wasn't any diversity then that keeps out people who NEED to see themselves in whatever has been produced. Its all about you not being allowed to have your own.

[@avroarchitect1793]

Because Socialism is anti-free will and independency. They Hate the concept of the free individual.

[@DrachonaTheWolf]

The key difference is that you can be charitable to anyone for any reason, even if you dislike or disagree with them, whereas solidarity is something you only do for those who are on your side; be it real or perceived. Once again, it comes down to individualism vs collectivism.

[@scitechian]

My theory is basically that socialists (Marxists at least) believe that if you have enough spare cash to be giving it out charitably, then you must have not actually earned that money. It's like a feedback loop of socialists assuming everyone is selfish while at the same time preaching that humanity is inherently not selfish and it only became that way due to capitalism. They also generally believe that the people in the best position to give charitably - the wealthy - will only ever give it to other wealthy elites, and maybe their own family and close friends. This tends to be true, unfortunately, but it does not poison the entire concept of charity.

[@DrachonaTheWolf]

@@scitechian I've seen a lot of people who don't have a lot of money be really charitable, even if they could really use the money or time (if you're talking about volunteering. Also, there are really rich people who only aren't billionaires because of how much money they give away. As with many things, it's not the concept, but the people. It's like blaming video games for violence. When people have an ideology to push, they only think as much as is necessary to convince themselves that they're correct.

[@scitechian]

@@DrachonaTheWolf I'd be willing to bet that a very large proportion of Patreon donations come from people who *really* can't afford it.

[@scitechian]

I'd put Bill Gates in that category of rich people who'd be richer than Bezos if he didn't give so much of it to foundations. (Granted, a lot of them were proto-WEF slush funds, but a lot of them actually did do tremendous good in the world!)

[@DrachonaTheWolf]

@@scitechian Indeed, I benefited from his charity myself. My high school, though it didn't last very long, allowed students to qualify for and take college classes, which was how I got an Associate's by the the time I graduated high school. I don't disagree with people who say that richer members of society could give more, but that's nowhere near the same thing as giving everyone everything.

[@SeeLasSee]

They really avoid giving like the plague. You’d think in the meantime they’d be generous before socialism.

[@stefanyuwono1909]

Cause they instinctively understands, that the "winner" in the system they advocate for are the Freeriders. They instinctively try to become Freeriders. Socialism is really a race to the bottom, where the worst performers gets to parasitize from everyone better than them.

[@MikeHunt-zy3cn]

Something something retarded argument about accelerationism something something

[@joshfleming6110]

Eat the poor. There's more of them, and you double the benefit. One less poor person to feed and multiple people fed.

[@annatardlordofderps9181]

12:50 A Christmas Carol. Early on in the book, when asked to give money to charity Scrooge counters the appeal by stating that he pays his taxes and those taxes goes to housing and workplace schemes to lift the poor out of poverty.

[@eddyalienstudio7227]

Charity always seems to be seen as a "Christian" thing like Christmas or Easter, when in actual fact it dates back to Pagan times when during Famine, villages would share their crops with neighbours in time of need as a form of Charity with some not even wanting anything in return, just helping their village. The Fascist Left (Commies, Marxists, Socialists, etc.) just seem to slap religion on anything to just complain about it, either that or include Capitalism despite ideologies like Communism evolving into Neo Capitalist Societies where the ruling class are made up of Corporations and Rich people who deem to the poor as worthless and only use them for their own gain.

[@flamestoyershadowkill6400]

fascism is a subdivision of socialism not the other way around

[@Force_Of_Habit]

Every time I donate I do it with the mindset of: "that could be me one day, sitting on the street begging for food and money and I'd like for someone to give a damn."

[@Xerophun]

With human evolution in mind, it is sound to have solidarity with one's parents and give as such because it would maximize inter-generational learning and increase one's own childrens' survival, in a healthy environment (assuming no extremes of R or k traits). There's no genetic benefit to having solidarity with an utter stranger. In fact such a relationship only increases competition for resources with one's own children. Like a parasite.

[@stefanyuwono1909]

With my family, I'm a communist. With my close friends, I'm a socialist. At the state level of politics, I'm a democrat. At higher levels, I'm a republican. And at federal levels, I'm a libertarian. - Naval Ravikant -

[@bigdiccmarty9335]

I feel like this line of thinking would lead to social darwinism when taken 1 or 2 steps furt

[@Gak237]

My guess before watching the video: because they're selfish with a guilty conscience.

[@tribacioustee2846]

I've been reading Brave New World lately and the idea that "Everyone is for everyone" is what comes to mind here. Voluntary charity is far more genuine than enforced solidarity

[@Xuhybrid]

Person A: So what is solidarity? How does solidarity get people food and clothing? Person B: Food and clothing? Person A: Yes how do you help people in need with solidarity? Person B: Help people in need?

[@SwedishSinologyNerd]

Heh, Dickens tossing shade at Attlee in AChristmas Carol, before the guy was even born. I was just reminded of how Scrooge proclaims that he is under no obligation to give to charity because he pays his taxes, and is portrayed as a heartless monster for having that opinion. Also! I know I gas on about Chinese philosophy a lot, sorry! BUT, Confucious was a big proponent of charity (to the point where most community services at the local level were not state funded, but privately funded by local landlords who were expected (but not required) to use some of their wealth for the good of the community), while also being of the opinion that it is not only natural but morally good to look after your own friends and family first. The legalists were bigger on the welfare state (as far as that label can be applied to a feudal society), reasoning that only the state (guided by strict rule of law) should be the instrument that dealt out both reward and punishment. Mozi (everyone's favorite proto-commie) leaned more toward the solidarity side (but never went full Marx. You never go full Marx) with his idea of "inclusive love" (the idea that everyone should care for everyone else regardles of their relation to you, i.e, you should love a total stranger as much as your own mother for example). Alwas enjoy your vids Dev!

[@pedrohenrique-et3fs]

i hate this story because the guy working to mcscrooge needed more money to sustain his family and remained in that minimum wage job, creating the need to be saved.

[@cazrealist1]

Most large charities are a scam with a fraction of donated money ever reaching those it was gifted for , give to local charities that actually do good work

[@valkaerie8715]

Because they're the most selfish people alive.

[@mikealvas]

Sent emails to my charities that if I even caught a single whiff of them changing the definitions to solidarity and they will not get a single cent from my anymore.

[@westonbeats]

based

[@RedCaesar97]

"Solidarity, not charity" = "I'm with you, but I'm not going to help you." I can understand and even agree that some societal changes -- political, economical and/or social changes -- may be necessary to improve the conditions and lives of some groups of people, but I absolutely do not understand how you can ignore charity in the meantime. And I am firmly of the position that there can be no utopian society -- (at least not in this life(time) -- and so there will always be disadvantaged people in society no matter how good of a system you may have in place. And because there will always be disadvantaged people, charity is necessary to help these people. Governments simply cannot help everyone -- and even will not, or should not help everyone -- and so we need individual charity to reach those people the government cannot.

[@sworddomo1951]

Arin Hansen from game grumps during a souls like playthrough: "You're different from me, I'm gonna fight you" Dan Avidan: "You just summarized conflict up for the entire world" I think about that clip q lot.

[@bishopofeternity48]

Look up Pocahontas. Savages was such a poignant song.

[@Marbo12f]

"Have you ever passed by a homeless person and thought: How can this benefit me?"

[@oldluke7653]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day but teach a man to fish and he will form a union that threatens to go on strike until you give them 20 fish an hour, free coffee in the ships galley, and 5 breaks a day.

[@KingRyanoles]

Big corporate charities are probably nearly as bad as government ran redistribution. The primary advantage of charity is skin in the game or the local context in which it often occurs. You can directly assess how effective the charity is. You can enforce accountability on the charity AND on the recipients. Larger scales necessitate bureacracies in which incentives become misaligned. Accountability becomes obscure. Corruption and free riders multiply.

[@SeeLasSee]

One of the best things about charity is that it is really dynamic and responsive to need. You don’t need to steer a bureaucratic herd of cats.

[@randomprotag9329]

and also, if one charity has significant issues with doing good, its optional so a bad charity does not need to be supported for a good one to do good. state solutions force it so in the likely case the state is being bad or incompetent resources can't go to better places.

[@SeeLasSee]

@@randomprotag9329 exactly. A person can give to charity technically but only do so for fancy gala type events to schmooze. I’ve known some scenes like that. Still, the tickets are often expensive enough that the causes get a lot. But you can do charity in many ways and can be really intentional about giving as closely to the desired receipts as possible.

[@elusivemayfly7534]

Amen!

[@elusivemayfly7534]

@@randomprotag9329 Great point!

[@DnBGolf]

That "I had a transaction with you so now we're each others' business" really sounded like the current "stakeholder" push with so many companies

[@limabarreto911]

You're starting to get it.

[@SJ-co6nk]

I know people where they aren't socialists at all solely because they aren't well-read enough, and they hate charity when they see it too. They're just more honest about it. It isn't that they hate charity because it isn't leading to a better world, they hate charity because that's money not going directly into their pockets. "Why did you give money to the guy whose wife just died, when you could have given it to me?"

[@ShiningFingerStudio]

In high school, we were assigned to read “A Christmas Carol”, and as soon as we got to the scene where the people from a charity came asking for donations, and Scrooge simply asked if the workhouses and prisons were still operational, and if people would rather die then use those facilities, “then they should do it, and decrease the surplus population”, I fell in love with it. Scrooge went from being some grumpy stingy old man, to a terribly practical man. After this video, I’m starting to wonder if Dickens having Scrooge refuse to give charity, stating that he’s already paid his taxes to support the government welfare programs, might have been an intentional jab at some of his ‘contemporaries’.

[@beancraver4048]

It makes sense why Twitter socialists dont support charity. That implies showing some level of kindness and decency to someone who might think differently to them

[@wojak-sensei6424]

The "Christian Socialists"? Did my earholes processed that data correctly?

[@TheGuyWhoIsSitting]

Why do I have the feeling if you gave one of these "SoLiDaRiTy NoT cHaRiTy" people a million dollars they'd spend it selfishly and get mad at the person who gave them a million dollars for suggesting how they should spend it? Despite the fact that, by their own ideology, the person who gave the million dollars has a stake in that transaction and thus the right to be upset.

[@ngsomeguy]

This is actually one of my favorite ways to win debates with college grads. I point out the inefficiencies and the bad parts of government programs, how they do more harm than good. That charity which can only exist in a capitalist society does much more for those in need to pull them out of complete poverty.

[@dahveed62]

Tankies hate decentralization, they dislike bottom-up change in favor of top down central planning. It bleeds into every fiber of their being.

[@Bergerons_Review]

They hate it because it's voluntary. Spoiles all the fun of stealing from you.

[@alvrickreinhart2272]

Two reasons, they hate that it's an individualized solution that they gain no institutional power from capturing.

[@millennialchicken]

because they want that money instead obs

[@twilit8162]

2:43 That actually sounds like an awesome video. You've mentioned that concept a lot, would be interesting to see everything else it influences

[@Tupiniquinho]

9:42 and there it is "solidarity" also comes with an expectation that you'll follow the party line down the road, and all it takes is a few minutes for that to come out.

[@raistrose7773]

They are bad people. You can't be for stealing and "re-distributing" and be a good person.

[@Ladondorf]

This was a great one, Dev! Do more like these!

[@SuiteLifeofDioBrando]

The only good socialism is the money that goes my way.

[@Gamerguy826]

Capitalism is just that with better presentation.

[@markzuckergecko621]

Socialists are capitalist with their own money, and socialist with everyone else's money.

[@AexisRai]

8:09 - "in giving, you're not being good, you're rectifying a wrong you committed / it's not good, it's baseline" Consider reading _"Nobody is Perfect, Everything is Commensurable"_ from SSC. Doing the original-sin thing where you reformat people's state of mind to where they have infinite "debt" to their society that they can never repay, isn't good for those people, but it does take advantage of the insecurities of a certain subgroup of people who are easily guilt-able.

[@davidmahoney9877]

"They don't actually give actually give a s**t about the people they claim to advocate for beyond using them as pawns." Sounds like a pretty good description of that ideology to me.

[@AiluridaeAureus]

This is why despite the fact I qualify as auth-left (because of my strong position on issues such as the need for a forceful solution on homelessness and unemployment via labor projects, and a bottom line program to provide a basic, if incredibly unpleasant, standard of living as a floor underfoot for the desperate), I still absolutely hate most of the people near me on the political axis, and they hate me. The idea of socialized, collectivized, tokenless transaction and the nonexistence of privacy because of it, is a ridiculous idea, and the demonization of a simple moral of aid for the poor, soup for the hungry, shows you exactly where socialists and communists stand, and why I won't associate with them. The coin is the representation of the value of the worker's labor, and it's destruction does not usher in equality or prosperity, it is merely a way to institute the communist's pseudo-theocratic justification for slavery by any other name, just as these reds do not truly seek to destroy an upper class, they merely kill off the old to replace it with their own power, and in their hearts they know this, even if their mouth speaks lies. The lives of the rich do not have to end or be brought down to the mud to improve the lives of the poor, the idea that it does is fallacy. It is entirely possible to raise the floor for the average man without lowering the ceiling in the process. It has happened before and it may happen again, for even if we do not realize, we live better than archaic nobles. The future will never come as long as we spit and bite at those we envy instead of aiding the sick and weary, and accepting that the projects we begin are ones we might not live to see the end of.

[@landlubbber]

The quotes from Marx have me wondering if the man ever even met an actual member of the proletariat like how modern Marxists clearly haven't

[@michaelkindt3288]

This video (and others) makes me think that "the inherent contradictions in capitalism" might just be projection.

[@chrislail3824]

You have no clue how grateful I am for your channel. I appreciate the work you put into the topics, you are very succinct, and can clearly communicate a lot of hard to understand ideals.

[@eliseosterbrink8000]

Charity has a sense of discretion and exclusivity that government programs do not. Because of the personal nature of charity, those being charitable can choose who specifically they are funding, and how much they are giving. This is a much better way of ensuring that the people who actually need help get it in the form that they need than pooling money from taxpayers to be given back out in the form of checks to people who, very often now, don't need any form of support. Charity is the answer to ending strife; welfare is the answer to continuing and, possibly, expanding it.

[@TNTspaz]

Isnt solidarity literally what they normally make fun of religious people for. The whole thoughts and prayers nonsense. The onky difference is that Christians normally actually turn those thoughts into actions through Charity

[@Gulgathydra]

re: 13:19 *Dev understated this point:* _"It could be done as a way to bolster the person's standing, sure, but there's still a moral component deep underneath that."_ The only way that charitable giving bolsters a person's standing is if the society, *at large,* values charitable giving. Charity could be done amorally, simply to boost public standing. The giver might not think charity is a moral good, may even think it a moral wrong, but if it raises their public esteem it is because *most people* believe it to be a moral good. If society was truly as oppressive and mysogynistic as some feminists believe it to be, then a man smacking his wife on a public street would be applauded, as he is doing a moral good. Instead we see people looking down upon that man, hopefully even calling the police and/or personally intervening, because we value nonviolence more than we value keeping women in their place. (I would argue much more.) Charity only bolsters standing because it is seen as morally good. Whether the giver personally holds that moral or not. When charity starts being looked down upon, when giving lowers a person/organizations social esteem, we know the socialists (or someone else) are winning.

[@WaffleStomper69]

You should def do a whole video on that essay/idea for sure.

[@annatardlordofderps9181]

If every economic exchange ties everyone together thus economic decisions cannot be separated from the individual, this is also true for the individuals economic practices. For Communists to not be hypocritical in this premises they must be telling what they're buying to everyone and why. The collective has a right to know you're not being wasteful, after all.

[@andrewlesniak8018]

I suspect I can answer this before watching the video (which I still intend to do afterward because I like listening to Dev philosophize even in instances in which we disagree). The answer is that Charity bypasses the State. Individuals, usually the well to do, provide direct support to those less fortunate. Not only does this diminish the importance of the state by giving the poor another (competing) avenue of support, they would also view it as being anti-revolutionary because it addresses the symptoms they complain about with their prescribed treatments. Those helped by charity are thus less likely to seek socialist reforms as a way out of whatever situation they were in that they took charity in the first place. It supplants their God, the state, and suppresses their revolution.

[@cyryc]

sounds like the Islamic 'zakat', where they claim it is charity, but it's actually a required % (pretty much a tax)

[@colensoforeman5620]

you actually introduced me to thw DGG realm. thank you for that

[@k.c.3425]

Hi Dev! Love you.

[@PeterPottorff]

The funny thing about the Christian Socialist position is that it's honestly a historical and detached from the historical reality of how the Church operated and often does to this very day with those who hold the small o orthodox position where it has been a voluntary act without involving the State. It has its scriptural origins with the Sermon on the Mount and the Beatitudes found in the Gospels but also how it was practiced by the early Church where they did not discriminate based on religion but on need. I'm not going to shill Distributism here but, y'all should look it up.

[@markzuckergecko621]

I hate the "Jesus was a socialist" argument leftists always make, like no shit, he could just zap wine and fish into existence, it's easy to be a socialist when you can circumvent that whole pesky scarcity issue.

[@TheDandyMann]

Yeah, their charitable actions were seen best in acts of the apostles.

[@johnrockwell5834]

They believe the early church was a socialist paradise. But really they hate rich people and excellent people more than they want to actually help.

[@hoi-polloi1863]

To be fair, someone with genuine Christian sensibilities could very plausibly look at the government's income, and start thinking that a good use for it would be to do public works and welfare programs. It's not that big a stretch.

[@johnrockwell5834]

@@hoi-polloi1863 Actually there is a Singaporean approach which is more Paternalistic. But it is on a case by case basis. People are held accountable for the help they are given. And there are those cut off who don't comply with the requirements to get them off their feet. Its lack of accountability that results in all the problems of welfare.

[@conserva-chan2735]

A vid on the legacy of Stakhonovism would be great, building on your vid about antiwork, quiet quitting, and this vid.

[@DiegoAmateur]

"We believe in decentralized anarchy and communal aid... but also you should give your taxmoney to the state" And then they make fun of us for not taking their ideas seriously Charity IS Solidarity

[@613harbinger316]

Charity vs. Solidarity a.k.a. What you, yourself think you should do with your stuff vs. What other people think you should do with your stuff Socialism: When everyone thinks they will be the best boss

[@guilhermehank4938]

So basically "you will only be given food or other needs as long/if you demonstrate support for our cause" Because calling it blackmail or Bribery doesn't make it sound so nice

[@willforest5302]

The welfare state has become a convenient excuse for people to not give to charity or pay attention to where their money goes. you wouldn't need a welfare state if your society was charitable enough, private citizens could give money and time to competing charities where the competition would make it more efficient and accountable to government bureaucracy. but instead, people chose to make the government their charity of choice so they could abdicate their own responsibility to help their fellow man.

[@mr.jackstone9256]

Always happy to watch another free class in philosophy from my favourite community college teacher.