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[@leequeen9988]

It’s cuz we tried to disable their friendship drive ...

[@kessilrun6754]

Haha! It's funny because my wife used to day that every time I fired up my FSD with the default Verity covas. She'd mock it and say, "Friendship Drive, Georgey." Because apparently it sounded like friendship and Georgie.

[@cyberus1438]

Noooo not the friendship drive!

[@mourninggirl8825]

I used to say that whenever my bf would play We play together now.

[@jorreymaynard658]

Glad I'm not the only one hearing that

[@rurallawwildwest9679]

They got angry from grinding system access permits.

[@trexgaming7120]

Omg lmao

[@PapaSkyRooster]

😂

[@xyzzy3000]

They didn't like the Guardians much either, and that was thousands of years ago. Maybe it's not us that has the problem.

[@SenseiJacksama]

Millions actually. Its crazy how old the thargoids are. makes you really wonder if its even possible to defeat them.

[@HadrianDuval]

I think the reason they hate us is because we stole meta alloy which happened to be body part of their dead buddies

[@F_n298]

From my understanding so far; Thargoids are space nazis

[@Beery1962]

Dude, we literally genocided them for trying to stop us invading them and stealing their stuff.

[@cubicbolognium8229]

Perhaps the Thargoids are really just beer swilling jerks that like to grief the neighbors!

[@seerspace2292]

I would laugh if they turned out to be Oresrians who were trying to warn us, I'm pretty sure we shot first, and now they're are mad at us humans for confusing them as their sworn enemy the Thargoids (cuz they look alike). As lore goes thargoids attack on sight, but the first time a I was pulled out of witch space by one it was quite peaceful.

[@Z1gguratVert1go]

Has there ever been an incident where the thargoids attacked the surface of an Earth-like world? Are they only after our space assets or do they attack us where we live? Although I suppose somebody whose live their whole life on a big Space Station would consider that their home.

[@ottolehikoinen6193]

Thargoids are actually lovely once you get to know them. Their capital Raxxla is a wonderful place, the visitors get the access to full version of game witch space and accurate locations of rare materials.

[@styanax]

They have infinite stock of Hutton mugs too

[@stormblade2510]

Maybe because of the geniuses who decided to shoot them

[@wmgthilgen]

From what I've heard and come to understand, according to lore. Thargoid's are busted up into two categories, groups or faction's. There are those that for what ever reason find humans intolerable and those that find humans tolerable. However, as of to-date, NO humans have been able to distinguish the difference between the two. The Indiscriminate killing of Thargoid's without any knowledge of which group or factions are the ones whom are tolerable, isn't going to sit well with them. And it's safe to assume, the tolerable will eventually become intolerable as well.

[@reesetorwad8346]

I just hope those thargon swarms don't turn out to be "bioformed" humans. Hear me Aegis? I honestly don't want to know that.

[@fredjackson8408]

My little theory is that humanity in the elite universe is a product of the guardians, maybe a way for the guardians to live on, intermixed with our DNA. It would explain our affinity for their technology and the thargoids disdain for us.

[@odinoldman5850]

I met a friendly thargoid it was just floating with no lights. I have the best pictures of a thargoid taken as it was inert. I was the first one to meet an inert thargoid and get close for a long time. You can check under the forum dr doom. For the pics

[@vitor022]

what forum i want to see it?

[@opasailor]

pls link forum and pics

[@asdar44]

purge the xenos,FOR THE EMPEROR

[@amatureskater15]

40k ftw

[@Koyomix86]

PURGE!!!!

[@PapaSkyRooster]

FOR THE EMPEROR

[@daviddesrosiers1946]

Time to cook up another killer bio weapon.

[@xyzzy3000]

I heard somewhere that the original one was retconned out.

[@sigvar6795]

In the current itteration of the game, we attacked them first.

[@ratlord6192]

Sigvar I mean we did literally build everywhere and take up their personal space so I can see why they’re pissed.

[@dylanmonstrum1538]

@@ratlord6192 they weren't using it. I can't build a house then come back in 5000 years and shoot everyone using the parkinglot where my house was.

[@ratlord6192]

Dylan Monstrum they were still flying around it plus we’ve probably been dumping space junk all over the place messing up their flight schedules.

[@BlackStar250874]

@@dylanmonstrum1538 They were not using it? Like barnacles? Yeah, right. I would call that a claim. For human race, a thousand years is a very long time. For them, it is nothing. Also there is no use for applying same kind of logic to a species that is way different than us, in every single way, including biochemistry.

[@thomasbriscoe7439]

@@ratlord6192 the Armenians don't need their land they ain't using it, yeah look how well that worked iut

[@cmdr_pressy]

nice compilation

[@OperatorTigran]

I guess I need to start building second krait for Thargoid fight. Should I go with all guardian technology you think ? Thank you for the great video, as always!

[@seerspace2292]

I recommend using both guardian and ax weapons. It's your personal preference on whether or not to use the g-tech modules like the pp,pd, or fsd.I just use the guardian module reinforcement , xg9 lance, ax taipan, A-rated fully engineered/modded everything else. But if you dont have engineer access, the guardian pp and pd are better than stock parts. Go with what you feel works best. Fly dangerous cmdr. o7

[@OperatorTigran]

Thank you cmdr ! I have all Guardian internal modules, and only 6 unlocked engineers so far. I'm 30,000 LY away from SOL at the moment. As soon as I come back to the bubble I will start working on improving my "battle" krait. Thank you again ! o7 @@seerspace2292

[@cmdrzurok9311]

thanks for the information and indeed the vid

[@carloschaparro07]

Wait... you just yawn at 7:44 and tried to hid it! lol I yawned after that. xD Good video tho. :P

[@793Force]

Is that a bad thing? i feel like people are making a huge thing out of bodily functions.

[@carloschaparro07]

@@793Force lmao, no. I found it funny. :) He is only human tho, no a Thargoid afaik. :v

[@davidentz7440]

That's how interesting Elite is at the moment.......and possibly for the following 18 months :/

[@bigsnugga]

bro i yawned reading this

[@bigsnugga]

Carlos Chaparro maybe he is thargoids. who knows.

[@sirenia755]

0:06 for that I heard on a other vid on the Thargoids, they cripple or damage the space stations and not destroy it, thay are two types of thargoids, Thargoids and Oresrians, Oresrians are the friendly kind and there ship are slightly diffrent to the Thargoid ones

[@potteryjoe]

And if Thargoids are even remotely "insect like," (🧐) hive organizations have vastly more drones than warriors, but it's the warrior class that get all the attention. Obviously, they get noticed because they're the ones fighting, but we still feel the need to kill the entire hive. By this point, so much damage has been done that it's unlikely anything can be done to fix this relationship, but maybe if we DIDN'T attack every Thargoid on sight, & put forth a concerted effort to communicate, we could come to a peaceful, or at least non-antagonistic, resolution. We aren't fighting for resources, we can't really exist naturally in each other's environments. There's nothing we should be fighting over. This has become a classic "Hatfields and McCoys" scenario. It's time to end the feud.

[@tsw2scotland341]

Hi @DownToEarthAstronomy could you please let me know were i can find this thargoid base in the beginning of this fantastic and very educational video thanks

[@WORKBUYOBEYDIE]

May the Shwarz be with you, check your codex the "discovered bases" are in there

[@tsw2scotland341]

Thanks o7

[@bravepart]

What is the object at 7:45 I've never seen that in a Goid base before..anyway I can't wait to see what other alien species we uncover! The Goid war is stressful, but insanely fun for those ready for it! Xbox CMDR with the HAND Goid hunters come this way!

[@adamdiebold6412]

The Goids pull me over all the time, but they never attach unless I attack first (or bump into them.) But then again, I do not have a Guardian FSD on my ship. We don't have to fight them. We don't even use the same types of planets. But they have got to stop stealing escape pods...

[@madmags969]

Thargoid Anger Issues

[@CmdrHahn]

I think the thargoids are looking to expand into our galaxy(a millennium+ long expansion) from the cartwheel galaxy

[@mickgreen5863]

I sat and listened to this as I have ED on pause.... I also just bought an orca so I'm kinda nervous looking for tips . Great to know I have some Alien he'll bent on giving me space prolapse I might trade her in for a alliance challenger...

[@wither5673]

probably from us colonizing already claimed worlds, stealing their tech and generally just fucking with them lol

[@JG27Korny]

I wish it is possible in the future to play the targoid race. That will create a lot of opportunities of emergent gameplay. Also it would be nice if a guardian AI probe emerge from somewhere as AI are basically immortal, it is a possibility that guardian sentient AI still exist wanting to destroy all biologic life forms and Targoids and humans can ally.

[@TwistedL9Productions]

I believe that there are "friendly thargoids" out there too, like a portion of the thargoids that don't want to have any issues with humanity.

[@vinigarr801]

Yeh, it would be foolish to assume an alien race has only one single ideology tbh.

[@LoneWolf-vu6qy]

Most of my interactions with them tend to me neutral. But I have ran into some signal sources, and seen another human ship in there with them. But they all turn hostile to me, and let the other human ship leave.

[@Astronomy1610]

But was that an empire logo on the inra station? So did cmdr Jameson worked also for the empire?

[@stridermegasoviet]

iirc it was a project made by both the Federation and Empire

[@sirenia755]

11:43 why don't the Thargoids communicate with the humans instead of cripple and damage the space stations !!.

[@darthdodge]

not sure if its still canon but you missed the whole of elite:first encounters, when us the player went to polaris and got taken to their space and had the choice to give them the vaccine to the mycoid virus.

[@davidentz7440]

That was retconned

[@ZazzilasArden]

@@davidentz7440 No it wasn't. It's a huge part of the reason that Thargoids still exist, and why there are two thargoid factions.

[@quinn8599]

@@ZazzilasArden THERE'S 2!?!

[@alexzubko2403]

I'm hoping for a rich species/evolutionary history and tech backstory (at least eventually). If they turn out to be contrived naked-alien-miner (not minor) cannon-fodder then that would be disappointing imo.

[@bravepart]

The Codes entries indicate they are indeed a warrior race and are looking for a good fight. I enjoy giving them that fight.

[@purplewillows4978]

I know this was made some time ago now, but the "Lore" here has missed out a few points - Thargoids (or the aliens) were present in the early versions of elite, notably in Frontier II, and you were the pilot of note - Cmdr Jameson, in those earlier games... Think on that =)

[@XENONEOMORPH1979]

I so love the xeno aspect.

[@papacoulsy]

If only they would do more with it........

[@OldManPaxusYT]

i knew this would be 13 mins that could be told in 3

[@matiascorrales2843]

How do you get inside the structure in minute 3:04??

[@johnnyhshify]

2021 and still same Thargoids skirmish encounters. Give us a real war.

[@MacVerick]

I think they continued the story as if he gave them the weapon without killing them. INRA just sent other ships with the virus again later anyways... because the thargoids have this caustic damage like those ones use the weapon against us

[@prolordyt9356]

They need to re add the guardian's re add meaning we think they are extinct but realistically maybe they are tucked away far far out from the ruins maybe all away across the galaxy on the other side but I think we need more then just thargoid aliens

[@CancerArpegius]

Oh shit Ender's Game

[@popculture70]

Does anyone know what happens if a station is attacked if your ships are in it?

[@1802D]

They still are there and you can pick them

[@davidentz7440]

They get automatically transferred to the nearest undamaged station.

[@thatoneannoyingtornadosire8755]

I've never played the game, i've been watching videos to learn the lore and how to play because I intend to start playing relatively soon since I just got it on sale. This is purely my speculative take based on a few videos i've watched. I may change or alter this post some time in the future after gaining more knowledge on the lore either through personal experience or through more studying. If thargoids are attacking purely over a small area (to them) of resources then it's only fair to retaliate, not to mention they previously already made another race extinct even when said race tried talking to them. Also I find it kind of funny how some scientists didn't like a few samples getting tested on while by that point a lot of people already died from attacks, so creating the virus was the only way to get thargoids to stop attacking and to give them a taste of their own medicine. Pun intended. But with that said, at least each side is given a reason for attacking each other and it's not just random and unprovoked conflict. Both sides having something their fighting for in the situation has somewhat of a complexity to it, and there may be more going on that we don't know about or isn't established yet in the story. Either way, some neat lore, but the video seems a little too "human bad" type of thing, like there was no actual reason for the countermeasures taken.

[@lunarcultist6214]

Thargoids didn't make the Guardians extinct, the Guardians fought them off, but then apparently fell to civil war and then were destroyed by their own machines.

[@Medi0cr3-]

Any updates tho this to current?

[@NazgulNader]

Also the best place to rank up on combat. Just turn up with dumb fires, hover about 25 meters off the ground and the scavengers will keep respawning. 6 kills every 5 secs = 1% deadly combat rank every 5mins. By far the easiest and quickest way to rank upto Elite in combat. I'm a little surprised Down to Earth hasnt done a video on this already.

[@moose9906]

not sure where you got the 6 kills every 5 seconds. I have only seen them spawn 3 at a time and the respawn takes about 10 seconds. I think 1% deadly every 20 minutes is closer in my experience. Still, not bad though

[@LordKemmotar]

have you checked recently? In the base that I tested today there are 2 groups of 6 scavengers, but they respawn is 10 minutes... 1% rank in 2 hours....

[@moose9906]

@@LordKemmotar I did it yesterday in Delphi. If you are too close to the ground, they were not re-spawning but if you go to about 200 meters the spawn point produces 3 scavengers every 10 seconds as long as all 3 from the last spawn are dead. with a krait II with all missiles I was able to gain 5% deadly in about 1.5 hours. that is killing 3 at once most of the time and reloging (about every 20 missiles)when the missiles stop killing the scavengers because of smoke or debris

[@LordKemmotar]

@@moose9906 thanks for clarify that. I tried at COL 285 SECTOR CV-Y D57, in this place there are 2 groups of 6 scavengers. I gonna try again going up after kill them.

[@LordKemmotar]

Yeah, @Moose is right, if you go away over 90 meters from ground then respawn almost inmediately if you kill all of them.

[@bigsnugga]

we stole their prune juice

[@leeebbrell9]

What the war, reason for mycoid was to stop the war. Inra was created to tackle the war... you didn't mention it

[@tg5441]

It is human being ignited the rage of the foreign species. No one can stop them now

[@kensei_z35]

Argahahfagaha I can’t wait to rip that flower and feed it to itself grrrrr

[@Beery1962]

"What they considered 'their' space". "Considered"? Dude, it WAS their space. We literally invaded it, even though we could easily tell that it was basically their farmland, and we started destroying it and stealing their stuff. Heck, we even genocided the Thargoids after they started trying to protect themselves! We are just as "territorial" as they are. The difference is, we regard their territory as belonging to us.

[@maxmayhem7219]

Skip to 10:00 for the actual answer

[@intothelean2930]

Nature doesn't care about right and wrong. to the family of bunnies who just want to live and eat grass the fox is evil, to the fox they are food to bring home to their families so that they can survive. the bottom line is that now that we are sharing the same space we are a threat to each other and competing for resources. Those who want to talk to them and try to build a relationship are wasting sentiment on a creature who has 0 reasons to try and form a symbiotic relationship. Although I am curios what would happen if a colony was placed and they started helping the thargoids. bringing them things they seem to collect etc like doggos and humans maybe something could happen?? meh dunno its late and I am tired.

[@NatediMaggio]

There the Shadows

[@Heititeiti]

I sense heresy, xenos must be purged immediately and... (coughing) sorry wrong game, they surely have a good reason to shot at bypassing ships and... Nah just blew them up, this time for serious.

[@Koyomix86]

No, this is the right game xenos need to be purged do not fall into heresy cmdr. Join us and take the fight to the xeno scum!

[@BamaChad-W4CHD]

Before I watch after the question was asked...I just figured that we are humans. We did what we always do. We invaded their space. Took their territory. Claimed their planets. Just took what we wanted with no regard are care for who or what we displaced. You know....general humanity

[@Deboifrager]

Random dude in a Sindwinder in 3100: What’s that weird flower thing? Let’s shoot it and see what happens! Humanity 200 years later: Damn that noob in the sindwinder, we’re all gonna friken die now bye galaxy

[@SamMau]

Id love to play as the thargoid im not really happy with humans

[@jayr9952]

Hmm, if the Thargoids have been a space fairing race for millions of years...surely they would reached the status of galactic civilisation long ago.

[@fcsuper]

Maybe their evolution didn't take them down that route. Maybe they are like the bugs in Starship Troopers. Maybe they have a brain reading suck monster just waiting to feed on our heads.

[@HadrianDuval]

They have some kind of civilization, they got faction inside them. They have civil war right now.

[@BlackStar250874]

We do not even know if this is their home galaxy. Because they can manipulate witch space, that would allow them to move between galaxies. Maybe they have already fully colonized say, LMC, which is around 150,000 ly away from our own. Maybe Miky Way is their far away colony outpost, that they seeded, out of curiosity, and then they found out that Guardians live here. And *very* much after that, pesky humans.

[@smokelord2002]

@@BlackStar250874 insert raxxla the intergalactic worm hole!

[@iWrInstincts]

they hate us because on of the stations gave them a ticket for speeding when they were tryna communicate

[@poofer7600]

mozambique here..... also first

[@cmdrdragonhearth976]

I never understood y 011000111000 hated other 0001111001111 but i like the 000111100111001.

[@tonalpleeb07]

ya using 4-bit letters or 8-bit ASCII characters it would help clarify this statement quite a bit

[@rileyk8143]

thanks for the spoiler alert

[@potteryjoe]

I think we're getting a story here, designed to make humans (& Guardians before us) appear the victim. "To the Victor go the spoils" includes the sole right to spin the story to show yourself in the best light. Both humans & Guardians (I'm suspicious of a connection) claim that the Thargoids attacked them on sight. People say the same thing after being attacked by bee swarms, but they generally neglect to include the fact that they took a whack at the hive or tried to take the honey immediately prior to this "unprovoked attack."

[@danielrafferty4108]

My first three encounters with thargoids hyperdicting me just seemed like mild curiosity on their part. A quick scan, some of their signature sounds and then gone. I fostered hope that there were friends among the void that were non human and it would just take us some time to reach a common ground with them. I come back a few years later to port my Xbox CMDR to PC and now all they want to do is blast my sorry ass to smithereens. I'm totally behind the kicking the hornet's nest theory of yours. Devs have hinted that our reaction to the thargoids is central to how the story will unfold. I'm hopeful this new community goal can give players avenues to pursue a peaceful resolution with our neighbours in a non cultish way.

[@entequackquack6660]

One tiny question left: the thargoids are clearly a threat to humankind. Why don’t we use the bioweapon again?

[@ShrekMeBe]

Ethics. And enlightened self interest. Would be stupid and criminal to upgrade a low intensity conflict to a full genocidal one, when causes behind it have not been established, communication hasn't been tried and failed. Not even then.

[@Xangam]

Thargoids developed an immunity to the mycoid virus.

[@iplaygames8090]

@@ShrekMeBe Well. They were fightingh their way towards earth.

[@ShrekMeBe]

@@iplaygames8090 Maybe, but they did that on the outer edges, something between a rumor and a legend. Not a danger to the main body of humanity. No reason to escalate to such extreme as extermination. If reason does not work for you, in ethics don't move you, then think pragmatic: how many Thargoids could there be in our galaxy? Could we hold against them if we triggered a coordinated thargoid response? Remember, the ancients couldn't so why would we in our tiny Bubble?

[@iplaygames8090]

@@ShrekMeBe yes but they could be like the insect from enders game. They might be already coordinating.

[@Garganzuul]

You suggested discovering thargoids on your own. How would one go about doing that?

[@ceoofswag2050]

Oh no, Serbia has done it again

[@jasongibson1225]

I've realized something recently about the lore in ED. Excluding the aliens. The three factions bear a striking similarity to The Legend of the Galactic Heroes anime.

[@mrboleus8240]

They can't hate. Have they emotions at all!??? It is totally different lifeform with ethics totally unknown to human.

[@bobross8569]

ever met a human? we're kinda assholes.

[@enrique88005]

Well said sir

[@carljhirst]

You leave them Thargoids be! We're just an infestation of fleas to them. I got Love for them there Goids. Gonna get me some Thargoid triple Pumpum! So back off my Thartings!

[@tizio_gono5936]

Who else searched "are thargoids breedable" 👇

[@WarsmithHuggy]

I feel like this question doesn't need answered in a video, its very obvious; we're the fucking worst.

[@ULTIMBANGA]

They hate humans because we left the game XD

[@generalrendar7290]

More or less they see other races as pests to be destroyed.

[@vividvault9285]

You should really look at the camera when addressing the audience.

[@toxlaximus3297]

It's because games about peace are boring.