Spend too much time dealing with ACs and you start making ammo mistakes. Yes, the Gauss Rifle ammo is 8 per ton, not 6. Silly me...
@rmcdudmk2126 ай бұрын
It happens. Nobody is perfect 👍
@Vulpine4076 ай бұрын
It's a Capellan plot I tell you! That or it's a clan Diamond Shark merchant trying to cheat you.
@keebbles6 ай бұрын
Ah yes, these are heavy penetration core gauss rounds...6 per bin. And still a bargain at this price. So, how many you taking today? Hmm? /clan sea fox salesman.
@wise_guy42306 ай бұрын
I'm just amused that you didn't make your variant equipped with a plasma cannon.
@Bomfunker916 ай бұрын
"Mechs think they can outstomp me. Maybe. Maybe. I have yet to meet one who can outstomp *cannon*." -Hetzer.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Where there is a plethora of cheap and barely functional military equipment, there is a way.
@chuckbuck50026 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog Firstly it was cool seeing you on the podcast with Tex nice job. Secondly, as someone who has been a tank nerd since I gained sentience. I always have to use my suspension of dibelief around mechs in fiction. While they do look cool and I love the setting, I will always like conventional ground vehicles more. Keep up the good work.
@michaelmoolick94196 ай бұрын
In a hetzer, how many mechs have you survived "meting" though?
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
It was a fun conversation. Tex and I could talk history well into the early morn.
@Vulpine4076 ай бұрын
Heavy Weapons Guy looks at you suspiciously...
@ursulcx2996 ай бұрын
The Hetzer answers a very simple yet profound question : What if Gun, but Wheels?
@a.N.....6 ай бұрын
So true
@meining-mech43786 ай бұрын
“I’m Discount Dan, and I will always take YOUR money!”
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Mighty kind of him.
@tawesssoabbox6 ай бұрын
The Hetzer... for when you can´t afford a Hollander but still need something that is a gun first and mobility second.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Mom, can we have decent equipment for our planetary militia? Mom: "We have decent equipment at home." The decent equipment at home: Hetzer.
@Grimmwoldds6 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrogBut MOOOOOM, that's from old earth puddle apocalypse 2! Mom: No honey, look, new gun.
@Yacovo6 ай бұрын
Imagine being a genetically improved supersoldier in a mech worth its weight in germanium, and dying to a Hetzer. The shame. Thanks for the video.
@Toiletlord6 ай бұрын
You mean scorpion battle tank.
@catzo_57626 ай бұрын
Hetzer's gonna Hetz
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Can't stop the Hetz.
@herasisrodney83786 ай бұрын
Beat me to it 😂
@jet_flyer6 ай бұрын
I miss old War Thunder
@DonaldWWitt6 ай бұрын
DO A LOOP!
@Maezhughes6 ай бұрын
I wonder if u could put jump jets on a hetzer 🤔🤔🤔. Something to consider
@malusignatius6 ай бұрын
In the Grim Darkness of the Far Future, there is still a place for a Truck with a Gun.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Always.
@wraith79896 ай бұрын
I love these stupid things. You take them expecting them to explode early, so when one actually blows a huge hole into something, you can get really excited.
@GrammarTron30006 ай бұрын
The Hetzer: Because the Scorpion Tank wasn't enough of a death trap for you
@guitarhausdoesntknowwhatac32856 ай бұрын
I mean, I'd rather have the Hetzer; better chance you actually kill/incapacitate something before you go down.
@SHDW-nf2ki6 ай бұрын
Putting a gauss rifle on this thing is like putting a gauss rifle on a Halo Mongoose! I love it!!
@bthsr71136 ай бұрын
It's really a long overdue upgrade. Besides, if it's worth upgrading with FF, XL, and HAG, it's worth upgrading with a Gauss.
@PaganPilot6 ай бұрын
Hetz Commander: We gotta mech coming from our flank! Hetz Gunner: I cant aim our canon, its case-mate! *Hetz Driver pulls fullspeed drift Hetz Gunner: Thankyou! *BANG*
@Geeko1706 ай бұрын
I have never had a bad experience with a Hetzer. I have never had one get motive locked by an AC2 on the second turn.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Well that's good to hear.
@ero98416 ай бұрын
Ac2 are the bane of vehicles
@OmniMontel6 ай бұрын
Speaking of bane and ac2s.... Wait till you feel horrible for having every single ultra ac on a bane ac2 jammed by the heat phase of the second round.
@Geeko1706 ай бұрын
@@OmniMontel i’ve had an entire start of Banes knock out a Kirghiz.
@commissarstanley30556 ай бұрын
At one point my group was playing a narrative campaign that took place directly before the word of Blake funny time era. Our merc company made landfall, and everyone had brought mechs for a long campaign away from supply lines...except me. I brought a Modified Crab and 2 Hetzers. It was funny until those two hetzers went on to kill a whole heavy lance (of 3 mechs) with a ridiculous series of lucky head shots and blasting away and center torsos. They went on to somehow survive that campaign. The hetzer twins are now a famous name in our areas battletech community. Its Hetzin' time
@scytheseven91736 ай бұрын
the Hetzer is like a reverse-swaybackified SRM carrier
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Kinda.
@terryhiggins50776 ай бұрын
Hetzers are adorkable little death machines, and in that respect they are just the vehicle version of the urbie, cheap, effective if used in a certain enviroment but not overly so, big gun, cheap, and did i mention cheap?
@Chris_Sizemore6 ай бұрын
Unlike the Urban Mech, a Hetzer moves at a reasonable speed. The Hetzer's speed won't save it, but at least it generally gets a shot off before it gets killed.
@terryhiggins50776 ай бұрын
@@Chris_Sizemore true
@fix0the0spade6 ай бұрын
@@Chris_Sizemore The Hetzer moves at a reasonable speed... on flat paved roads. Show it some terrain, or some trees, or splash a little bit of mud on it, now watch the Urbanmech casually saunter up and step on it whilst the wheels uselessly spin.
@bthsr71136 ай бұрын
@@fix0the0spade So you don't use it outside of a city or suburbs. Just like you don't use a Savannah master for for jungles, a Pike for urban combat, or a Monitor for open ocean. Build quality aside, the Hetzer is very good its niche of urban ambush on a tight budget.
@radwolf766 ай бұрын
So hear me out: An urbie with a Hetzer welded under the bottom of each foot.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Oh... that would be something.
@davidboothe96206 ай бұрын
Love watching the shear look of horror on a players face when they enter a city and the opfor consists of Hetzer, Saladin, and heavy SRM carriers.
@chrissegee6 ай бұрын
A car with a giant gun sticking out, this is the most Florida Man thing I’ve seen on BT and its wonderful !!! Oh Quicksell the Wish of the battletech universe
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Keeping it simple... probably too simple.
@andreykuzmin43176 ай бұрын
You forgot Banshee and Charger, two assault mechs with Florida man energy.
@chrissegee6 ай бұрын
@@andreykuzmin4317 true although i actually like the Charger nothing better than a giant assault mech with tiny pew pew s as its only weapons
@chrissegee6 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog the motto of Quicksell “ they can alway have more babies”
@arieshausdorff33966 ай бұрын
Quikscell, when Wish and Russian Tank Industry have a baby in the future and give it a german name.
@duncanmackenzie77956 ай бұрын
To quote Tex, the Hetzer is the bread bowl of tanks. Carve it out and fill it with some sort of soup. I won't say i love it, because i have had very mixed luck, but the missile variant has served in my sad, sad periphery merc lance from time to time. Because disappointment is a constant companion to a periphery merc lance.
@tenchraven6 ай бұрын
The Hetzer is technically not a technical, but it's a heavy pickup with armour and a weapon system along the passenger side. While it isn't in lore, I can't imagine the Hetzer doesn't have van and open body variants, with the commander's seat moved to the traditional location next to the driver. Ambulances, dump and tow trucks, trash truck, light crane, APC. Lengthen the bed, and it's the start to a small fire truck or a flat bed. Or a school bus. As such, it's "death from below" which can be maintained in a city's motor pool and has spare parts in common with most of their other heavy equipment. It isn't great, but it's cheap and the logistics are attractive. Just like the missile carriers are probably built on a common chassis with a lot of other industrial and mining machines. But I've always seen QuikCell as the maker of cost effective heavy and not so heavy equipment, like Hyundai or Norinco, even including things like passenger cars, TVs and washing machines. Do I love it? No, but I"ll use it. Particularly the LRM carrier. My version in eras when TAG is a thing and home on TAG LRMs get common is as a scout- LRM15, SRM6 and a TAG. With a reservist driver that is a ralley racer when not called to active duty.
@elchjol27773 ай бұрын
Tank commander:Gunner SABOT,Hezter! Gunner:On the way! Tank Commander: Target neutralized!
@robertbodov9126 ай бұрын
The Hetzer is just too cute not to love. Look at that turtle-loooking box with wheels, it even has a cute little stubby cannon!
@h.a.98806 ай бұрын
That stubby cannon might look cute from the sides, but when you look at it head on, your attitude will certainly change.
@robertbodov9126 ай бұрын
@@h.a.9880 I prefer looking at an AC/20 from the side of the breach, and consider observing it's muzzle as an unsafe work environment, thank you
@h.a.98806 ай бұрын
@@robertbodov912 Undoubtedly. Now, if only House Davion would accept the application for my emotional support AC/20...
@FireGoliath6 ай бұрын
So the original 3026 TRO includes a lore story about how many units would refuse new Hetzers because at least they knew the old ones worked. Frequently with parts not installed at all, the best case scenario for many of those crews would be that the parts would just be tossed in and to be later installed by the motor pool. A specific mention was the gunsights. This story harkens back, if I recall correctly, to stories of Soviet T34s in World War II, specifically about sights not being installed and the best case scenario being that they were just tossed into the tank for the crews to install.
@robertschumacher27076 ай бұрын
And that if the crew was fortunate, the worker would have tossed in a bag of bolts too so the crew could install the sight themselves.
@FireGoliath6 ай бұрын
@@robertschumacher2707 I'm at the office so I don't have access to my TRO but that sounds dead on, lol
@psychkosys6 ай бұрын
Hetzer can make some noise on the table and is relatively cheap. Definitely something you want to add to your city defense, hide it around a corner on a side street and wait for a new friend to arrive.
@s9551206 ай бұрын
The ride for the Turtle Team
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
It'll get there... eventually.
@Spartaner2516 ай бұрын
a girls und panzer reference?!
@MM229666 ай бұрын
@@Spartaner251 Yes.
@KillerOrca6 ай бұрын
Girls Und Panzer does kinda exist in BT, there's that Kuritan school for female mech pilots and combined arms
@135forte6 ай бұрын
The Hetzer: Demolisher at home And I feel bad for those Free Worlders that stumbled into a Hetzer nest, but, considering they made the Asset Management Weapon, not as bad I should.
@rmcdudmk2126 ай бұрын
What's not to love about an armored gun on wheels? 🤔
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Fair point.
@rmcdudmk2126 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog I will say I only ever use the AC-10, and the Rotary AC-5 versions. The AC-20 doesn't have the range to be anything other then an ambush predator. 👍
@OmniMontel6 ай бұрын
The muzzle pointed at you.
@observationsfromthebunker96396 ай бұрын
@@rmcdudmk212 The basic Hetzer is very much like its namesake. Low and slow, but easy to overlook until it opens fire. It's a proper Bushwhacker! *pause* Sorry, can't say that, some sneaky battlemech grabbed that name.....
@rmcdudmk2126 ай бұрын
@@observationsfromthebunker9639 ha ha that's a good one 😂
@RincetheWind6 ай бұрын
The missile variants are pretty good value. They are faster and more durable than the classic carriers. Especially important for the SRM one.
@jiiaga50173 ай бұрын
My hetzer stories all revolve around HBS battletech-Roguetech, where my little hetzer that could was mounting a thumper artillery piece and doing work.
@R17inator5 ай бұрын
I find it hilarious that the Hetzer's ac20 is described as firing 150mm rounds in 10-round bursts, this implies that it carries a total of 200 rounds in a pocket dimension.
@ampgp03d6 ай бұрын
6:28 Another AFV that will fail The Chieftain’s patented “Oh Buggar, The Tank Is On Fire” test when the crew faces a “significant emotional event” on the battlefields of the 31st and 32nd centuries.
@Toiletlord6 ай бұрын
When I was a kid I would bring 8 locust, 2 hetzers and as many scorpion battle tanks to the table as possible. Ever see a clan player throw a fit because his Omni assault mech has to take fire from 20+ tanks a turn? Also when most people talk about the urban mech they leave out 3 important things. 1 you can fit 8 in a leopard. 2 dirt cheap. 3 can torso twist 360 degrees.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Good times had by all...
@muninrob6 ай бұрын
Urbie important thing #4 - "low profile" and the concealment bonuses that come with it. (it's a very fast turret, not a very slow mech)
@Toiletlord6 ай бұрын
@@muninrob not to mention in 3025 you can do some fun refits. Lrm 20 urbies and 2 large laser urbies.
@Archangelm1276 ай бұрын
Recent videos from the Periphery indicate that you can get some wicked air with a Hetzer if you build a big-ass ramp.
@Icewolfcommand6 ай бұрын
I can say it makes a good infantry support vehicle, and M.A.S.H. or supply convoy protection unit.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
It can be useful, for sure.
@michaelkimberling73076 ай бұрын
A professionally assembled Toyota pickup with a cannon welded inside it
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
All yours for 16 easy payments of 54,000 C-bills.
@pointmanfrosty72066 ай бұрын
Loved your podcast with tex
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Thank you. It was a fun conversation.
@marcusshiffler26146 ай бұрын
Hetzer crews Vindicator Pilots (Fighting because the machine will kill you if you try to run)
@das_gruuben5 ай бұрын
Look at the real-world Hetzer and you'll realize: this dumb little thing is an ambusher by trade. Hide in a hedgerow, covered with camo netting and let the enemies' shiny, stompy robots walk right up to you, then pull the good ol' shoot-and-scoot. I firmly believe that the Hetzer's reputation suffers from bad tactics. Treating these things like a main battle tank does nothing but waste crew and equipment. Using them in hit-and-run defensive ambushes is the way.
@IshlacorrinАй бұрын
100% agree, in a double blind match where you can actually ambush with them, they really are nasty. Of course the best variant is still the LRM30 version, a lance of those is 120 missiles and makes people think you have more support mechs and less main combat mechs in your force. You can even run a full company of mostly Hetzers and crush it as long as you have good scouting for the LRM Lance.
@mathewkelly99686 ай бұрын
Because a couple of these plus an SRM Carrier make your opponent think about going anywhere near your LRM Carriers
@TerribleHeresy6 ай бұрын
I think this is one where game rules don't account for what you could do with this. I'm thinking in urban fighting you could drive one of these in to a parking garage up to the level where the heads of mechs will be passing. Even if you only dome one mech before being discovered and flattened then you've already made back your cost. Plus if you win then that's good salvage. Kill the meat, save the metal. Same goes for ground level. The low speed isn't really a problem for making your gettaway if the enemy is missing a leg.
@tenchraven6 ай бұрын
Indeed. The colonies of Old Earth learned the urban mistakes of Old Earth, and planned for parking.
@thunderK56 ай бұрын
Good title. One doesn't really love Quikcell's products.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Kind of tolerate them until you can buy something better...
@jamesricker39976 ай бұрын
During the Blakist era,the WOB didn't bother to destroy Quicksell facilities. Quicksell was bought out by larger companies and quality improved.
@irishijo16 ай бұрын
Some designs never change. Battle Pancake will always be effective
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
If it works (barely), go with it.
@mbr57426 ай бұрын
My god, the Hetzer is on fire... Followed by a discussion on "how to check and adjust tire pressure"
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
"The Hetzer is on fire..." Again!?
@bronsilverstring58746 ай бұрын
Soapbox of death deserves love. Always!
@ogrehaslayers6056 ай бұрын
Ive used Hetzer's a lot over the years. Always a great way to fill out a roster and scare the bajeezus out of an enemy. Just grabbed my first new scult of one. Love how it looks!
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
I'm always happy to hear when people have luck with these sort of units.
@z3r0_352 ай бұрын
One way to get around limited ammo reserves in most Hetzer variants is to use caseless ammo, which is available even during Succession Wars-era gameplay. It effectively doubles your ammo count in exchange for a negligible chance of jamming the gun or getting blown up.
@NRSGuardian18 сағат бұрын
The Hetzer is an excellent urban defense vehicle on the cheap. Especially when they are paired with SRM Carriers or SRM Hetzers. Throw in some supporting infantry and you won't miss that the Hetzer doesn't have a secondary weapon. I certainly like the Hetzer for urban defense more than the Urbanmech. At least a Hetzer can outrun most Assault Mechs and tanks. The Urbanmech can't even outrun an Annihilator. The Urbanmech is just a slightly mobile turret, whereas the Hetzer is an actual mobile combat vehicle. One short story that shows the Hetzer putting in good work is Hornet's Nest from "BattleTech: 25 Years of Art & Fiction ".
@ThatSlowTypingGuy6 ай бұрын
"Oh Hetzer what are we gonna do with you?" Does it involve a ramp?
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
A ramp and probably a tow hitch.
@davidboatwright86886 ай бұрын
Damn it. Now I have mental images of a Hetzer starring in Dukes of Hazard and ramping over stuff...
@observationsfromthebunker96396 ай бұрын
Stunt jump to have Hetzer take out a Super Heavy 'mech? It could happen!
@darkwave88922 ай бұрын
Very surprised that the historical hetzer wasn't mentioned, but hey very cool little machine that could... on occasion.
@stormcrow286 ай бұрын
I love the Hetzer. It's cheap, effective, and you can buy them in droves. It the wheeled diet sized version of the Demolisher.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
The more the merrier...
@joelaugustin64076 ай бұрын
I'm listening to your visit to the BPL podcast, The New Explorer Core is my favorite thing you've made! I really appreciate everything you create and I hope you continue sharing your passion with us!
@ashhawk74896 ай бұрын
I feel the hetzer is one of those wild card units you. You put Sgt. Murphy and Sgt. L Jenkens in it point them at the enemy and something is going to happen.
@bthsr71136 ай бұрын
Even if you're making a sacrifice play, that is something useful. A lot of mech jocks get jumpy when an AC20 is pointed at their rear.
@covahredro83706 ай бұрын
I remember these from my days playing MechCommander2, they weren't much of a threat, provided as long as you didn't let them get close. A couple of volleys of LRMs usually did the trick.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Yeh, keep your distance and apply damage liberally to the area.
@Versudan6 ай бұрын
A MF variant with a single big weapon and it WASN'T a Plasma Cannon? And no Jump Jets forced into it? Who are you and what have you done to the frog!?
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Halfway across the Pacific by now. You'll never find him on the secluded tropical island.
@Versudan6 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog Damn... And the Hertzer definitely isn't crossing any oceans...
@Caffeinated_Kitsune6 ай бұрын
Though I've never voiced this out loud, I've been anticipating this video for some time now. I'm glad to see that little buddy finally gets some recognition.
@anselmoffrisia29306 ай бұрын
At least for those soldiers who were issued garbage guns, they could salvage a replacement if they lived long enough. That's likely a little trickier when you're a tank crew. Great video, by the way. Good day!
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Thank ya!
@franksmedley86196 ай бұрын
Hello Frog. Ah, the Hetzer. I just don't understand the hate for this vehicle. Way, way back, in the dim mists of time (roughly 1985 or so) I used Hetzer 'tanks' to my advantage on the tabletops. Just about any time I could defend on a planet, I would choose an urban setting and entrenched Hetzers, along with a few faster and more mobile units. Believe me, my amphibian friend, luring the enemy into such an ambush is a thing of beauty. A pair of Medium Mechs to do long ranged damage and fall back into the urban area, intentionally falling back from even an 'even' match, usually ended with the foe charging into 'town' and facing massed AC20 fire from the Hetzers. And if they chose to run, fast movers like Wasps, Singers, Spiders, and Locusts usually would slow 'em down enough for the Hetzers to roll forwards and finish the foe's forces off. With the low cost of the Hetzer, I could afford to practically flood the field of battle in the over-gunned tin cans. I have had fair results using the SRM and LRM Hetzers as well, and your MF variant... well, consider that Yoinked for field-testing. I have always been one for low-cost units, for the most part in my forces. Being able to better afford to lose units and replace them easily, is far, far better, in my estimation, than relying upon single and hugely expensive units. Yes, I know. I have a 'rep' for fielding massive numbers of Locusts at foes as well. But that does illustrate my point. The Hetzer concept is not 'bad', but should have been applied to a unit that was 10 tons heavier. A 50 ton variant would have more tonnage to work with, and thus be a 'better' overall unit. But, one makes so with the crap available. I would guess that the Hetzer is thought of by most as: 'Throw enough crap at a wall and some will stick'. Or, perhaps: 'Eggshells armed with sledgehammers'. It is not really about the fact that the factory that makes them, makes such shoddy examples of war materials, but in how one can use such an inexpensive unit effectively. Hetzers should NEVER be used in anything but forests, dense forests, Jungles, and Urban settings. Most of their manufacturing flaws can be easily fixed by any good Mech-tech, or Repair Bay personnel. Even good batteries can be found for replacement of the factory default units. The Hetzer can be a damned annoying and outright dangerous unit for any attacker. And Planetary Defense Forces can afford to literally buy them by the gross. Yes, each one would need about 100 hours of repairs and upgrades before fielding them in actual battle, but any half way decently trained mechanic can fix a Hetzer. Once 'repaired' to operationa standards, the Hetzer is fairly reliable, easily fixed both in the field and at base, and cheap to replace if totally destroyed. The AC20 is a well established design and very reliable. And, it is just about the most expensive single component of the vehicle. If your planet has any kind of good, heavy industry, every component of the Hetzer is easily replaced if damaged, for relatively low costs. If you have the foundries to make Hezter and AC20 parts, you have enough electronics knowledge to build all the targeting and sensor units that the vehicle uses. So, again, the Hetzer is easily supported by local manufacturing in most cases. And where that is not true, the costs to ship in replacement parts is relatively minor in comparison to shipping in more advanced unit's components. Say what you will about the Hetzer... a properly 'repaired', maintained, and well supplied Hezter force will deny enemy forces entry into cities nine times out of ten. And be able to protect facilities like your heavy industry as well. Bandits purely HATE Hetzers. Especially 'repaired' ones that can sit for days, hidden in place, only to fire up their ICE engines and blow large holes into expensive battlemechs.
@Dreadwolf31556 ай бұрын
I agree and have used the hetzer in much the same way!
@observationsfromthebunker96396 ай бұрын
This guy gets it!
@Vulpine4076 ай бұрын
Lol. Love the qualifier "kinda." Makes perfect sense. Pros: Cheaper (both BV and CB) than an Urbanmech. Incredible firepower for the cost. Decent speed (for a vehicle.) Cons: Armor only so-so. Ammo supply can be an issue. no secondary weapons. Lack of maneuverability. It's a vehicle. When you're defending an urban environment and your budget is so small even a Capellan quartermaster thinks it's stingy, then Hetzers are a decent (if desperate) choice.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Well put.
@Qardo5 ай бұрын
Quoting a World of Tanks British Gnome KZbinr: "Hetzer gonna Hetz."
@swiftdraw6 ай бұрын
The MF is similar to the one I cooked up as OpFor in a campaign game. It was to reflect my feelings on the Nashorn back when I was playing World of Tanks: Trash vehicle, but the effective long range gun covers up a multitude of deficiencies the chassis may have.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Being able to hit at distance covers for quite a few sins.
@Chris_Sizemore6 ай бұрын
The Hetzer is one of those tanks. ICE engine, autocannon. The tech involved in producing a Hetzer can be found on any world in the Inner Sphere. Heck, most periphery worlds can produce the Hetzer if they try. Quicksel is the company most known to produce the Hetzer, but its a common design that could be produced anywhere. What the Hetzer is most famous for is the low cost for the firepower it provides. While the Hetzer is also known as a rolling coffin, it is what most milita commanders look for in a tank. Cheap, threatening, and disposable. The light armor means it won't stand up to a protracted fight. Honestly a Hetzer is lucky if it gets through 1 ton of ammo before it gets destroyed. Nobody ignores an AC/20 rolling around their mech. While being a wheeled vehicle severely limits where the Hetzer should be deployed, it means it generally is found in its most effective terrane: urban. Using buildings to limit engagement distance and ambushing from cover make the Hetzer deadly and very cost effective. A lone Hetzer is a target. There isn't much under 50 tons that you'll make a higher priority target than a Hetzer. The AC/20 offers that much psychological pressure. A Hetzer makes an excellent bodyguard for LRM equipped units like the LRM Carrier and even the Archer. Most pilots would rather take out the lightly armored Hetzer before turning to concentrate on the LRM unit it came here to eliminate in the first place. And the reason to like cheap units like the Hetzer is because you want to field a lot of units. Hetzers work well in packs. Nothing like getting chased down by a company of Hetzers using wave tactics.
@DIEGhostfish6 ай бұрын
Srm hetzer is a light SRM carrier with 1.5 tons more armor and no turret, limiting its arc of fire but having one fewer location to spread that armor out over. A pretty good deal. It is however slightly MORE expensive than the light SRM carrier which is 824k. Howecer it's available innearlier eras because while thr light srm carrier lacks any advanced tech it is "officially" a 3060 design.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
It's nice to have the option.
@Norrikan3 ай бұрын
Yes, it is quite terrible a vehicle, but, at the end of the day a Hetzer hiding in the upper levels of a parking garage at head-hight of a mech is a surprise wake-up call you only really encounter once.
@TehSquare6 ай бұрын
If I stuck a Drone Control System inside the Hetzer so I could remote control a bunch of them or set up remote ambush positions, that could be interesting
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Dunno... Is using prisoners cheaper?
@bthsr71136 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog Unless they're Clanners taken as Bondsmen, no. You don't want resentful people forced to fight in charge of fire control and target selection. Even if they're not trying to get payback, they're not going to be in the best headspace. Lying in wait with a big cannon is hard enough when you're not being forced to.. No, better to use the prisoners as bargaining chips or advertising of your kindness by letting them leave.
@pat06526 ай бұрын
My two cents: A) The Lore stuff is a lot of fun, but shouldn't influence one too much as a player. Some of the game specs are ok enough. If you want to make it work with your head cannon, your command puts any Quikcell product through a detailed maintenance refit before acceptance. B) The LRM 15 variant is definitely worth considering. I am a big fan of using vehicles for long range support, particularly for LRM needs. 4/6 is ok for those uses, and while being wheeled is not ideal, for an LRM truck it's less of a problem. Particularly if you can get a veteran crew into it and use jump infantry squads to spot for indirect fire. It's almost half the BV of a Trebuchet, and like a fifth of the C-Bills. C) It keeps its value going into advanced tech eras, because it keeps being very cheap, and eventually it benefits from TAG/semi-guided missiles. It will also benefit from NARC early on, and while NARC is not easy to use, it ought to mess with the other players' heads, and it's FUN. D) Units like it are a VERY flavourful counter to the Clans and advanced tech "Yes your Gladiator B is Terrifying, but I can have two lances of Hetzer LRM15s pepper it (plus plenty of jump infantry to spot), and 4+ Grasshoppers Ns to fire PPCs as it closes and jump at it/brawl at close range after it's been worn down for the same cost." *aprox figures.
@h.a.98806 ай бұрын
The Hetzer is a really weird vehicle that only works in a niche role... but in that niche role, it's very cost effective. Myself, I prefer the AC10 version due to the longer range, but I feel like the LRM version might be the most useful, given it can rain down indirect fire or lay minefields without being exposed to incoming fire. In that regard, the Hetzer might be more akin to the Hunchback: The main variant carries an AC/20 and is very niche, but there's a variant for every occasion such as SRM-spam or LRM sprinklers. I like the Hetzer, but that's mostly cause it's so unapologetical and bold about what it truly is.
@lukedudley50306 ай бұрын
Great cheap little tank :-) combined arms are much more useful than most people know :-) thanks again gor another fun watch
@kierdalemodels6 ай бұрын
Another great vid, MechFrog!👏👏👏 That quote from TRO 3026 about the construction process is priceless!😂 And price is exactly what was on Quickcell’s mind. I have six, two Drac and four FWL (2nd Sirian Lancers) to represent units given inferior gear by their superiors. I love the Hetzer because it’s not (anywhere near) perfect. That gives it character😄 We’ve mainly used them as the basic model in AlphaStrike as it’s just 15 points each, or the LRM/SRM versions if we feel like splashing out a full 18 points per tank. Thanks for using my models in the vid. Lastly, I did not choose the StugLife. The StugLife chose me.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing the pics. It's always nice when I can add a few painted units to the vid.
@SvenVanDerPlank6 ай бұрын
Because it’s adorable. Love me the Turbo Hezter.
@wambam40065 ай бұрын
The four wheeled motorized definition of "take no shit give no shit" wünderbar
@77professional6 ай бұрын
Yeah those Locusts are terrified right up to the point where they are standing on top of you.
@observationsfromthebunker96396 ай бұрын
Locust pilots are naturally fearless. Other light mech pilots may try to maneuver around the Hetzer lance instead.
@observationsfromthebunker96396 ай бұрын
Congrats on being able to palaver with the Tex Man. You are officially a cool BT dude. 😎 The Hetzer is popular and fun because it is what it is. Yes, it's a shoe box with an airsoft gun mounted on a roller skate. Yes, it's only half a Demolisher. But hey, that's why it's there! For much less than half the price of a Demolisher, you get a self-propelled AC 20 that can take a hit or two, has a lower height profile than most of the overgunned MBTs, and is an acceptable loss if it goes up in smoke. Did we mention it has an AC 20? That's right, it has a weapon guaranteed to make a mechwarrior take notice, because if he ignores the shoebox hunkered down in cover, he might suddenly be on the ground wondering what happened to his 'mech's leg. The big nutcracker also ensures that a Hetzer can intimidate most of the enemy AFVs in its general weight class. (How many AFVs in the 30-50 ton range can safely swap shots with a Hetzer at 4 hexes?) And like I said, it's a shruggable loss; trading a lance of them for limping enemy battlemechs is worth it, and a kill shot makes it a real David versus Goliath value. And the Hetzer is definitely a solid design, because all the mods are basically "swap basic AC 20 for different big weapon." The best 3025 alts are the LRM 15 version, which is a superior Hunter, and the SRM 6 boat, which is worth it just for the enemy player's expression when it unmasks at 3 hexes and shoots! The best later alts are the Ultra AC 20 (more dakka), LBX-20 (more batchall dakka), and RAC 5 (spent casing fountain erupting from shoebox).
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Thank you. It was a great conversation and I'm lucky to be able to call Tex a friend.
@alexhurlbut6 ай бұрын
Environmental sealing allow a vehicle to operate in vacuum like airless moons and planets as well underwater.
@AccessAccess6 ай бұрын
When we played campaigns in the past we only had C-Bills. This was long before BV or anything like that. So at around 600,000 C-Bills the Hetzer wasn't necessarily a bad thing. I mean if a pilot lost his mech in battle and would have otherwise been "dispossessed", being moved to the Hetzer crew might be a better option than anything else. It was rarely about what a Hetzer did in combat, but what it could do, the mere fact it had an AC20 meant a more conservative or risk-averse enemy would need to deal with it before closing the distance. So in this sense they could be used to protect fire support lances, or in urban environments where more combat could be expected to take place at closer ranges.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
It definitely can be deadly if played like a crafty fox.
@randyslater1996 ай бұрын
THE Hetzer, Hetzes and MF version doesn't croak
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
I suppose we should make it croak...
@randyslater1996 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog no we should just let it ribbit its target many times.
@fenny15786 ай бұрын
Cannon skateboard is love.
@marsar17756 ай бұрын
this has long been a favorite vehicle of mine. i like to imagine if you stripped armor and counterweight, and put in a HAG20, the hetzer would flip and fly off like its an object hit with the physics gun
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Found a way for it to travel quickly.
@marsar17756 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog All things are possible to those with sufficient lack of self preservation!
@DiggingForFacts6 ай бұрын
Clicked for the Hetzing, liked for the reference to my favourite Soviet boondoggle.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
The only real challenge is deciding which soviet boondoggle to choose...
@DiggingForFacts6 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog The one that was a tech-sink and pride project with the only real point being that of punching through the Fulda Gap and then no one caring whether it would still have gas, that barely saw adoption before the fall of the Soviet Union and then became a millstone so bad that one of the first upgrades was to put a diesel engine in it to make it slightly less thirsty, is a quaility choice IMHO.
@JacatackLP6 ай бұрын
Can’t wait until I get mine from the Mercenaries kickstarter
@treybaker54406 ай бұрын
Why? I mean look at it! It's like someone slapped a gun onto every R/C car I've ever owned. Adorable!
@RibusPQR6 ай бұрын
AC-15 seems like the correct choice for units whose firepower outweighs armor or speed.
@mattikuokkanen6 ай бұрын
I have used Hetzer in introduction games to new players. I give n00b some 'Mechs and have him play against my Hetzer platoon. I like the range of AC/10 variant, and the number of ammo bins gives options for special ammo types. Increased armor is somewhat useless as the thing gets immobilised before armor gives out. LRM variant is also cool and faster than LRM Carrier. Little disappointed you didn't have a photo of Jagdpanzer 38 which is also called Hetzer.
@JohnDoe-oh7gf6 ай бұрын
As I was painting my batch of Hetzers I thought to myself: "I should ask MechFrog to cover this vehicle". Love its lore, don't care its pretty much crap, I've got a soft spot for the real hetzer, and this BT iteration is also a great machine. Very nice catalyst re-work of the art. Actually its the Mechfrogs fault I've come to love all the ground vehicles of the BT universe. As a GM player I don't have the pressure to win a game, and my AC10 Hetzer killed a mech in one shot xD. Cheers
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
This is the way.
@JohnDoe-oh7gf6 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog unless the way leads through woods terrain cause those wheels are nit gonna cut it :P
@haileysaint54436 ай бұрын
My Hetzer variant is a whopping 4.3-million C-bills, according to my Mech Factory app. The Hetzer ISM utilizes Clan technology in pretty much everything but the one weapon it has. Clan XL engine, Clan FF armor, Clan standard structure (which is obviously superior to the IS standard structure), Clan single heat sinks (again, obviously superior to the IS single HS). It has an engine supercharger, and a dune buggy chassis; I don't know why I did that chassis, it just sounded cool and takes up no space and no tonnage. It has a movement profile of 4[3]/6[6], and Clan CASE to protect it from weapon/ammo explosions. It carries a Clan Light Active Probe in the body, with a Lyran-designed Heavy Gauss Rifle and 5 tons of ammo in the front. I kept it wheeled instead of making it tracked because, well, it was already costly enough. The bright side is that if you put the Hetzer ISM in reverse and gun the engine when you fire the Heavy Gauss, you might have just barely enough push to get out of the line-of-fire from anyone shooting at you from the sides - provided you're in an urban environment to begin with. Although, seriously, why would anyone waste money mounting a monstrous thing like a heavy gauss and an XL engine - Clan or otherwise - on a cheap projection of firepower?
@graveyard19793 ай бұрын
Standard for me was to strip the cannon and slap LRM20 with a C3 slave unit instead. Movement 4/6 is suicidal on a wheeled vehicle with "meh" armor.
@Richy03266 ай бұрын
Seems like the perfect candidate to have a HVAC/10 replace the AC/20.
@bthsr71136 ай бұрын
Oh yeah, I always forget that the high velocity autocannons are a thing.
@Dreadwolf31556 ай бұрын
been looking forward to this one. the hetzer is an AC/20 on wheels! what's not to love?!?!?!! I've been wanting to try one with AP rounds.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
It's a strange looking duck, but I'm glad it has its fans.
@jimhardies93456 ай бұрын
Heard on the BPL pod. Keep up the good work
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@madcat35256 ай бұрын
Great video! Hoping you do a Regulator hovertank video in the future. Looking forward to more videos.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
I'm sure we will cover the Regulator at some point.
@HouseDavieMerc6 ай бұрын
***BOOM*** " We'll take a dozen of them".
@TheInsomniaddict6 ай бұрын
The Hetzer is an interesting vehicle. I always think of it as the modern pike formation: not necessarily there to do damage but to shape the battlefield as a semi-mobile land mass. Hetzers will break down, they will die, but they're also cheap enough for that to not really matter. Once you get to larger formations they start to shine as they can force enemies into making a decision between focusing down a potentially devastating speedbump or a consistently good battlemech. As long as they cover useful fire positions before they mobility crit they become that craw in an enemy's position. The LRM and AC10 variants are just good since they have the range to reach out and touch someone. They're good vehicles for what they are, even if they're just glorified technicals.
@covahredro83706 ай бұрын
When your mech gets taken down by a Hetzer "What in the HETZ!!"
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Walk of shame...
@frankfrankerson7826 ай бұрын
It sounds like it would be better to keep buying scorpion tanks instead. I do love the QC company lore. This is making me want to create a battletech army of the QuickCell security forces, with a big QC logo on all my cheap as hell Ikea vehicles.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Quickscell: For when you need to do things on the cheap and don't really care.
@MichaelJCaboose0136 ай бұрын
The Hetzer has major 40k Ork vehicle energy. It's what you get when you put all your stat points into offense. It's like the Hunchback of vehicles.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
It very much does. Paint it red and put some yellow moons on it. Bam... ork wagonthingy.
@marianomaimone88704 ай бұрын
This is "What if Battletech but Orks?"...+
@WolfHreda6 ай бұрын
Well, that's fun. The Centurion bought by my story's main character was owned by a Marik mechwarrior before its head was blown off by a Hetzer in the Andurien Secession.
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
A romantic story as old as time...
@WolfHreda6 ай бұрын
@@MechanicalFrog 🎶He was a Marik boy, she was a Hetzer gun, and he was standing on her world 🎶
@Idiotboyism6 ай бұрын
Why do I kinda like it? IT'S ADORABLE
@MechanicalFrog6 ай бұрын
Is it, though?
@bitterblossom196 ай бұрын
Leichter Panzerjäger 38(t): That's my descendant!
@jameshiggins56866 ай бұрын
Discount Dan got employee of the month every month that he worked for Quiksell.