Why Do We Still Teach Freud If He Was So Wrong?

[@SciShowPsych]

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[@Kamel419]

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[@VariantAEC]

1:34 "Really?" Me: "Have you seen modern feminists of the 3rd wave variety?"

[@tedphillips2501]

Here's one thing he got really right: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2jboqOMo6pmi7c Note the Samuels' clip and Chopra's second clip. Hope SciShow will do one on Milton Erikson and Carl Jung.

[@anyfriendofkevinbaconisafr177]

The political agenda is obvious and your authoritative delivery of 'facts' you don't actually understand is unconvincing.

[@nikolgaz3182]

@@anyfriendofkevinbaconisafr177 did you notice the word "care taker" not mother of father? Now they might say..yeah..but we mean a person who cares for ...blaabla..

[@nothefabio]

Freud himself pointed out that his work was introductional and will be dismissed when "the sciences of the mind" develop more precise understanding about how its objects works. But, despite this development, his ideas stuck. The problem of "I didn't read the Terms and Conditions" is older than we thought.

[@ReflectedMiles]

Freud was largely an idiot. Sorry, but from a scientific perspective, he was unable to distinguish his own philosophical imaginations, rantings, and hypotheses from actual evidence, and that is not just from recent observations and conclusions. CS Lewis noted of him, "When Freud is talking about how to cure neurotics he is speaking as a specialist on his own subject, but when he goes on to talk general philosophy he is speaking as an amateur. It is therefore quite sensible to attend to him with respect in the one case and not in the other--and that is what I do. I am all the readier to do it because I have found that when he is talking off his own subject and on a subject I do know something about (namely, languages) he is very ignorant." Indeed he is, and unfortunately, what academic colleagues perhaps did not fully realize, until long after, is that even on psychoanalytic topics, Freud seems to have little concept of where evidence ends and postulating nonsense begins. Like Lewis, he was principally arguing his religion and adding whatever bits of evidence from his field that he could to support that; he just didn't know it, which is even worse. That is why he got so many things wrong and has been discredited to the degree he has been. Once the debunking is done, hopefully Freud can be relegated to a sidebar on page 57 of second-year texts and that will be about it. The whole field already suffers from enough scientific struggles without his "help."

[@nothefabio]

When Freud begun to develop his ideas, therapy for mental illnesses was, literally, torture. When Freud's ideas begun to spread, the American Psychology Association was interested in eugenics. So, tell me more about the scientific struggles of the whole field.

[@awesomelegend3411]

@@ReflectedMiles Hahahahahahaha Yes, well you are clearly the authority when it comes to "talking off subject" and having "little concept of where evidence ends and postulating nonsense begins" LMFAO

[@ReflectedMiles]

@@nothefabio Talk to any physicist or other person qualified in the hard sciences and see what they think about the history and rigor of psychoanalysis and treatments as "science," including Freud, but since then as well. If he or she doesn't laugh, you will have found a nice person. Even just reduced to a "pop" level at SciShow, here's one brief and mild take on it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aH6nf6mBjcl_e68 The APA has mounted something of a defense, though it is weak at best.

[@Totofamere]

Where do you get that quote from?

[@jerry3790]

So that others don’t make the same mistake about sharing their secret attraction to their mother through their work

[@Pyke64]

lol

[@djoakeydoakey1076]

That's not true, maybe he just wanted to kill his dad.

[@sdfkjgh]

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[@jeremymiller4189]

Well at least the internet wasn't around when he was alive or he might have dethroned Alex Jones title of being walking textbook example of why you don't say stupid stuff on the internet.

[@jacquelinenicole1932]

This comment is gold.

[@downsjmmyjones101]

My psychology course taught Freud as if he was right. So I was really confused as to why I learned about him if he was actually so wrong.

[@EveCat2343]

My high school had an introduction to Psychology type class. The teacher taught only Freud, and taught him as if he was 100% right about everything. I remember one day going home almost in tears because he taught us about Freud's whole "you date people that remind you of your opposite sex care giver" theory, and the teacher flat out said if you were abused as a child, you would never be in a healthy relationship because you would either only date other abusers, or if you ever dated someone that didn't abuse you, you wouldn't be satisfied in the relationship (because that would mean they weren't like your parent) and it would fall apart. So child abuse victims can't have happy healthy relationships. I was glad to learn a lot of Freud's theories were wrong, but also upset that they're allowed to teach that as if it's factually correct in schools.

[@downsjmmyjones101]

@@EveCat2343 Luckily I knew Freud was 90% wrong so I was just really confused why were learning about penis envy. I also thought it was super funny that it was so wrong. Sucks that you didn't have a similar experience.

[@lucase9698]

@@EveCat2343 I havent read most of Freud theories, and i certainly dont think he was right about everything, but doesnt it make kind of sense that being literally abused as a child have extremely traumatic consequences in the life of the victim and their sexual life? I dont know many people who have been abused, but my bestfriend once told me she had been sexually abused by her grandfather as a child, and also her father was violent towards her mother. She already had like 3 boyfriends who were abusive towards her, and its obviously not her fault, but i see sometimes when she starts dating guys that i recognize some disturbing patterns and warn her about what the guy might be in a relationship (possesive, violent, etc) and she listens but then continues to date this type of guys, almost like she doesnt realize it until she talks it on therapy or to me. Im sorry if this offended anyone but im really interested in the topic and dont really buy all the hate Freud gets.

[@TheLily97232]

Thank you. You can read people use his work all the time in the field

[@roryarcher6014]

Yeah! I actually came looking for a video like this because I was sorta frustrated with just how much we were talking about him in my psych class. The teacher sort of glossed over the fact he was debunked and has us analyze profiles using Freuds tactics which just.. confused me? Man schools are weird sometimes

[@BriefBrainSnacks]

If you don't understand the history of your field, you can never learn from the mistakes.

[@jriibzmodus4792]

True

[@gizmogoose.2486]

Or notice that current 'experts' with political agendas are incrementally dumbing your field down so it fits their control narrative.

[@madman8237]

What about math?

[@AH-nc6vv]

This is kind of a poor excuse. I mean phrenology isn't required to be taught anymore.

[@Magmafrost13]

Thats fine for university courses, but I dont think it really works for anything lower than that. Not for psychology anyway (like its still useful to be taught old models in Chemistry, for example)

[@Babarudra]

A lot of early science was wrong and strange by todays understanding. It's always good to have a broad understanding of a subject and how we go there. I'd imagine that in another 100 years, a lot of what we "know" today will be seen as just as wrong.

[@ronindrix2272]

I have to disagree I think today we've gotten much better at rigorously testing ideas before the general scientific community uses the word "Know". a lot of what we "think" today probably will be proven wrong.

[@Babarudra]

I'll see you in 100 years!

[@bobus_mogus]

well, not in mathematics

[@ceber54]

@@bobus_mogus Or in Physics. The Newtonian ideas are still valid today under certain assumptions. The problem with the psychology, and that's why i don't consider them as a Science, is that their results weakly depends on an objetive review of results obtained via the Scientifical Method. How do you support some kind of therapy when you don't know if the things that are you treating are at least real? Every psichologist that i knew plume Freud, (the psychology's Father) even when is well documented that he lied in the results with patietns. (Also they were very strange people, i think that they have emotional problems and want > for themselves). Eventually Neurology will absorb the psychology's area.

[@ronindrix2272]

@@ceber54 I could not agree with you less (aside from the physics part that's true),. My father was a psychiatrist and I've known many psychologists and even taken some psychology classes, most psychologists I've known are completely normal people, the scientific method has been used to identify many helpful kinds of therapy, and they treat things that are very real to the patients. I admit the field has more inconsistencies than others mostly because the same treatments don't apply to different patients and thats due to the complexities of the brain. Neurology doesn't even come close to covering the "area" of psychology, because of how much of psychology is based in behavior.

[@curlyprivat22]

Surprise! In Vienna Freud isn't taught -simply because the founder of the faculty of psychology did not like him. xD

[@e_puffin]

Why though?

[@mbotela9979]

@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo doubt that

[@yecino]

Curly privat Not true

[@isadorabinsely975]

They did burn his books and persecuted him in Austria because he was jewish so that’s not so surprising

[@BriefBrainSnacks]

Studying Freud is a great example of science done right: ask questions about what we know, alter the hypothesis that doesn't stand up to testing, and accept what does.

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[@BriefBrainSnacks]

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[@panostriantaphillou766]

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[@GamesFromSpace]

Except for all the stuff he did, sure.

[@EksaStelmere]

@Grompf Grouik Criticizing Freud is fine. I think he can take it. I doubt the eugenicists in the then-psychology field at the time would appreciate criticism by comparison.

[@InsertShankHere]

1:33 Can we get a shirt of Brit's face saying "Really?"

[@Carbonbuild]

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[@ciarasookarry]

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That slayed me the first time and was even better the second and third! LOL oh man gold i tell ya!

[@koraktheape]

It only made her uglier, no thank you!

[@NewMessage]

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[@georgedecruz4717]

Haha

[@jhowever9126]

He was right, she's cherry picking.

[@-butterfly-594]

@@jhowever9126 No, you're either cherry picking as well or just inattentive. (The second option is better.)

[@grmpEqweer]

Freud was groundbreaking. But he was also very incorrect much of the time.

[@TheRocketman136]

"True dat" -Diogenes the Cynic

[@Natasha-ex4lt]

"We are never so vulnerable as when we love, and never so hopelessly unhappy as when we lose the object of our love." - Freud

[@Jeff121456]

I thought my unconscious mind was my mind when I was unconscious.

[@danielledorchester9739]

The unconscious mind is the mind at a level of functioning that's always processing information even though we're not aware of it. It's why we can be suddenly sad about a breakup that we thought we were doing fine about. Unconsciously, we didn't deal with it. Lol "unconsiousness" is technically a state, the way that I'm high right now is a state of consciousness

[@Jeff121456]

@@danielledorchester9739 I thought that was the subconscious .

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

@@Jeff121456 I agree. I think they are confusing unconscious with SUBconscious.

[@cezarsiqueira7720]

Unconscious is a parallel process of "thinking" with its own rules and phenomenons involving representations and affects, derived of the repressive processes of pre-conscious and conscious instances.

[@MarkSmithhhh]

Freud should be thanked for what he did despite being wrong...honestly, modern psychology wouldn't be where it is without him..huge influence

[@MrEvolving1]

Influence is not always beneficial.

[@randomstream4130]

The problem with Freud is that he was genuinely creative. And creatives have lots of unapologetic nonsensical ideas all the time. But jus like all creatives do, he eventually had his one brilliant idea. That's the price we pay as a society for having creative types. And this won't be the last.

[@Makkushimu]

Sure psychology has grown, but the huge reliance on quantitative data is causing a field-wide epidemic of generalizing personality traits and making causative statements. There are professors out there making connections between psychological features based on percentages from quantitative research. "If you have trait X you also *have* trait Y" basing that causation on a 90% likelihood. How do so many psychologists forget the very basic tenants of quantitative research: Correlation is not causation? Not all psychologists do this, of course, but the trend is there and it's very concerning. Maybe psychology has a bit of an inferiority complex towards other fields of science, where it's trying to "prove" it's just as much of a "hard science" as biology and math? The problems, though, come when the numbers take precedence over the person. I feel that a new wave of qualitative research needs to sweep over psychology for a while, where the heavy reliance on and habit of generalizing a person's *self* based on data gathered somewhere, sometime, needs to take a huge step back and be studied far more meticulously BEFORE making a statement about the person. It's a lot more work, but considering the field and how those statements could ruin a person (because anyone listening to the psychologist will consider him/her an expert), being "anal" about it is definitely the only way. I somehow managed to connect my rant to the video lol.

[@gn.punpun]

This is a problem in every scientific field sadly. Just look at Corona virus vaccines and flu vaccines, they under skew every statistic they provide

[@Cobalt985]

@@gn.punpun Sorry, over here we trust the scientific method and empirical evidence. Nobody is falling for your vague gestures at an imagined problem.

[@gn.punpun]

@@Cobalt985 imagined problem? Who even brought up the scientific method as an issue? Maybe your smooth brain can't comprehend that statistics can be easily manipulated since the statistics are always based on assumptions.

[@paesitopaez4302]

I find it funny how people in the US tend to hate Freud so much. In Latin America and Europe Freud is still very much respected in academia and even in the clinical area

[@maramollysnow5111]

Interesting, I'm teached about Freud in psychology, but they didn't point out what was right and what was wrong. So some people believed his theories (we are also though to be critical about theories, but I don't think everyone applied that skill)

[@sirmeowthelibrarycat]

maramolly snow 😳 Freudian slips here? ‘Teached’ and ‘though’’ . . . Try proof reading before posting your comment!

[@habibi5737]

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[@TheRealAestuo]

@@sirmeowthelibrarycat why did you switch between singular and double quotation marks? Try proofreading before posting your comment!

[@gordonlawrence4749]

We studied Freud for a different reason. The clinical section of the psychology course (as well as the others) started from the beginnings which in this case was Freud and Yeung. It set up a framework whereby you could figure out the roots of each theory and thereby estimate validity, especially when coupled together with later research etc.

[@senpaulo]

Yeung is an actor hahaha

[@dinkletonne]

did u meant carl jung ? sorry if i am getting it wrong but i never heard about any yeung

[@marksegall9766]

If Freud was a neuroscientist today and studying the id he would be working on the hypothalamus, the focal point of the limbic system: sex, eating, and aggression all in one part of the brain. Freud was a pioneer discovering a new way to look at the mind. We are filling in details a century after his work.

[@satsujin4027]

I want to make a gif with that "really?" lol

[@chaostade4087]

she clearly suffers from penis envy.

[@TheRocketman136]

@@chaostade4087 ...really?

[@brettknoss486]

The other thing to mention is that many of Freud's ideas were not proven wrong, but were abandoned because they are untestable.

[@swaglordman8168]

We only focus on his mistakes and take his good ideas for granted.

[@gordonlawrence4749]

That is always the way.

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

He forged such a trail in psychoanalysis. Why does it seem millennials want to trash our 'beginnings' of things? No one gets it right the first time. Give the guy a break!

[@gordonlawrence4749]

@@KimberlyLetsGo mainly because they think they know everything and think they are perfect. Post millennials do not seem to have this issue.

[@failedsocialexperiment2382]

@@KimberlyLetsGo Making the mediocre hailed out to be treated as if very special is part of the reason for that, participation trophies, saying that you are as good as the next kid over and not acknowledging the actually talented as talented kids and folk is what lead to how people think today. There's boosting confidence then there is rewarding mediocrity, giving them a sense, a way of thinking that leads to them to see that they can be as smart as the one who's gone through psychology schools, as those that intellectually look through things, phenomenon and the like in a scientific lens when their talents are places elsewhere far away from those fields, not realizing their _real_ capabilities.

[@gordonlawrence4749]

@Quincy DeClarke while also ignoring any data that does not fit their agenda. EG 90% of homeless in the western world are men.

[@alejandro_mery]

may you do one about Jung?

[@minervali631]

And lacon

[@mightyNosewings]

"Jung was like Freud, but even more wrong and without the good bits."

[@latanezimbardo7129]

@@mightyNosewings how do u know its wrong

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@@minervali631 Lacan

[@custos3249]

@@latanezimbardo7129 Science. Not entirely sure how that wasn't obvious. Plus, while he tried to pioneer some of his own ideas, like the notion of archetypes, which pissed off Freud, his ideas were based on language and literature, i.e. nothing more solid than Freud. Granted his ideas haven't all been completely abandoned, though, like Freud, they're but a....shadow of their former selves.

[@bryandejustin]

Psychology is a Philosophy just as much as it is a Science. Science is constantly changing, or building upon itself. In Psychology, there are Theoretical Orientations that people identify with and defend. Freudian Psychology (Psychoanalysis) being one of them. Just wanted to share, it was a little too simplistic to call Freud “wrong” because everyone in Psychology is Wrong, and Everyone is Psychology is Right. If that didn’t make sense, ask yourself “Is Personality Learned or Inherent?”

[@monkeyface0101]

Many psychology curriculums tend to only teach Freud's Psychosexual Theory when he infact had many other theories and important subjects that can be extracted form his hundreds of writings. Things like the importance of language, history of the person and unconcious desires tend to be set aside when teaching freudian theories. Also, the term "sex" and "sexual" from his theories are often taught using the meanings we have of them in this day and culture but he used them in a completely different way. Although I have many critics to his theories, there is ALOT we should take from them.

[@abbycadabbie]

He also defined aggression as well as catharsis.

[@dailyjoy9556]

How did he understand sex?

[@ReflectedMiles]

He actually understood very little on many of those topics. He just pretended to-he didn’t hesitate to pontificate on subjects he knew nothing about. Freud is the intellectual forerunner of the Kardashians.

[@monkeyface0101]

@@ReflectedMiles If you actually read his works you'll understand what I'm talking about. Many people dont read his original writings and base their knowledge on what other people say of him.

[@ReflectedMiles]

The Docotor Because I am not an expert in those fields and, unlike Freud, recognize that I am not, it’s a much more salient discovery to read those who are experts in those areas and see how they view Freud’s declarations and theories in their fields. I have yet to find one who reviews his contributions as those of an esteemed colleague.dealing deftly with the evidence or putting forward transforming hypotheses. With Freud you get far worse than a replication crisis. You get someone who was apparently unable to make basic distinctions between evidence, postulations, and buffoonery.

[@celestialrider5867]

Y'all should do a video on Gender Dysphoria

[@dirtymeatball6315]

Why? They’re only going to go with the modern idea that it’s normal. Up until a few years ago, it’s was considered a disorder but political pressure and money the changed the DSM V. You can’t trust the world of modern psychology. Seriously look it up....

[@celestialrider5867]

@@dirtymeatball6315 I have looked it up, I'm fully aware. What I meant was I video about the condition-if you will- *and* what you were saying.

[@ashutoshsingh3204]

@@dirtymeatball6315 Gender Dysphoria is still considered a disorder under the name of Gender Incongruence by WHO. Transition helps.

[@jokerxxx354]

@@dirtymeatball6315 what a tard u r

[@kr-geats1043]

@@jokerxxx354 said a Nobody

[@bernardkung7306]

The first day of my Psych 101 class, the professor told us that anyone who wanted to learn about Freudian psychodynamics / psychoanalysis was in the wrong class -- in fact in the wrong department, but the English department offered some pertinent courses.

[@MarioCaez]

1:30 had me reeling.

[@bluesmurff6163]

The biggest thing about Freud is than he was the first psychiatrist (as far as i know) who tried to explain mental illness by something else than biology, genetics or some sort of "degeneration" running in families. He made a little revolution by himself. He's also the first one to offer a treatement that wasn't based on some form of surgery or a drug.

[@keshavfulbrook6698]

"Some of Freud's ideas are weird so therefore wrong" yeah okay 😄, compelling.

[@OrdonWolf]

I remember being super mad with how Freud was taught in my high school. None of the books explaining his ideas said anything about whether or not his theories still hold up today, and so students and even teachers couldn't really tell apart fact from fiction. One time I snapped and said "His idea of dreams is all wrong! We're past that now!"

[@joacopallares3637]

It's common that freudian theories are misinterpreted. Most of his work is written for highly intellectual interpretation. Which is not accessible for many. Also his work was moraly controvertial sexuality, children, incest. It's hard work to read his work cause people read linearly

[@anniea3411]

@@joacopallares3637 Only people with an IQ equal to that of Rick Sanchez can understand Freuds psychosexual theories

[@ivansalamon7028]

@@anniea3411 lmao Still, he has a point. Freud is not at all a simple read. I am highly convinced there have been generations steadily misinterpreting or rather misunderstanding Freud, simplifying his work to a point of little more than shock value, without actually understanding his reasoning behind his claims. Even the people who think that Freud is "debunked" now. I am of the belief that hardly any person, an intellectual or otherwise, has actually fully digested or understood his entire works nowadays. Even if they did, there is a risk of misinterpretation.

[@danielayaquica7120]

@@ivansalamon7028 I agree, some critiques I've heard or read from Freud works dont reference his actual works or books. They guy on alot of his study cases admited (I think on a salty way) that he fucked up on something during therapy (if you want a reference, im thinking of the Dora case)

[@VirginMostPowerfull]

Stop defending the fraud, we have to move on. Read the 700 page book called "Freud : The Making of an Illusion" by Fredrick Crews. Enough is enough, I'm being taught this stupidity in psychology class as the *only available* course in clinical psychology, that is pathetic.

[@bxlawless100]

The unconscious mind, period. Revolutionary.

[@SamanthaBurger]

That's dead pan "really?" had me in stitches!

[@sweiland75]

The face of a triggered feminist.

[@ginnyjollykidd]

That's the point of deadpan: to raise the ridiculousness of the joke.

[@RaduP3]

a psychoanalyst would have said that it was her resistance to the envy of penis itself manifesting, proving that it is true. AMIRITE?

[@koloblican11763]

I think Freud's views on large groups and subconcious desires have greatly influenced modern marketing as well. His nephew, Edward Bernays, used his thoughts on things like herd mentality to influence entire cultures. So while Freud was wrong on his specifics, he had a knack for understanding the general.

[@rodcaio]

WOOW........ that was a really simplistic view on the importance of Freud... he grew the foundation of studies that analise the way humans deal with suffering, people, frustration and desire that revolutionized the Humanities. He was such a huge influence on big names in Anthropology, social sciences and gave the necessary subsidies to develop a profunde language to comprehend and treat clinical psychological problems that are still really used and relevant.

[@futuramarina8400]

Absolutely agree. Classic american attitude towards complexity in all its forms. I can’t help but find it extremely irritating and almost insulting towards one of the most influential thinkers of the last century.

[@tukow89]

Valeu Rodrigo. Discutir com o americano comum é difícil. A razão toma conta de tudo e qualquer que for a forma integralista de perceber a vida oferece risco a hegemonia egoica dos EUA. Aqui no Sul do Equador seguimos em resistência. Abraço.

[@fernandogaribaldi7349]

Yea it disturbed me to hear her refer to him as an “old dead bearded wrong dude”. As if Galileo, Newton, and Einstein weren’t wrong as well. And it’s easy for her who stands on the shoulders of giants to refer to him in such a way. The arrogance in her turn is why I can’t take this video seriously.

[@kardoba]

Ikr

[@nietzschesghost8529]

I'm glad to find at least one comment sticking up for Freud a little bit. All we were given in this video is the usual take from our intro to psychology courses: "Freud thought everything was about sex ha ha ha! Now let's talk about Watson." And she seemed to imply that the Humanities' handling of Freud is naive and that psych students are equipped to go into these classes and set the record straight. Freud's role in the Humanities has nothing to do with diagnosing or treating mental disorders; that remains psychology's charge. Freud's role in the Humanities has relevance to art, literary criticism, and philosophy. He was a very broad and complex thinker, and it's a bloody shame that thousands of people are walking away from this video thinking that there is nothing to be learned from one of the most important figures of the last 200 years.

[@RaymondtheHon]

Not directly related to psychology proper but as someone interested in continental philosophy, Freud is really interesting to me. Really annoys me when a stemlord asks why we still teach Freud.

[@RICHARDGRANNON]

4:08 “psychologists are trying to take responsibility for the mess their field made...” What mess? Which psychologists?

[@arthurobrien7424]

Also, not so much in Germany. Lots of outcries of the new laws requiering to register some patients who might just seek help as a "danger", but no self-reflection how misuse of psychology in court made that politically inevitable.

[@manwhich8916]

Freud responsible for eugenics

[@moosemafia1659]

@@manwhich8916 More Galton

[@cameronsavoie768]

There is a mountain of evidence for how psychologists have been completely wrong but it became common knowledge Like. The roles we give to men and women Which is Completely illogical Or the thousands of unethical psychological experiments like how twins were separated to figure out nature vs nurture. Or something that happening right now solitary confinement as punishment. This comes from psychologists false claims that negative reinforcement is effective. You may know about the “alpha dog” theory were the owner. Imposes pain via physical or mental abuse To create a good dog.

[@Claudia000]

I think transwomen have a thing or two to say about "penis envy"

[@matthewkopp2391]

Because Freud was right about the most important aspects of psychotherapy not merely the unconscious but the phenomenology of transference and counter-transference. I would also argue he was right about narcissistic injury. And his schematic of ego, id, and superego ate ideas that a person can relatively easily relate to and map their own experiences on. But also even though Freud may have made wrong conclusions, he and his colleagues did faithfully record the empirical observations to back up their wrong conclusions. So a therapist today could in fact judge these past cases with information that we know today. You can look at his cases and categorize them differently and the fact that we do gives an insight as to how psychology itself though it strives to be scientifically based is actually still very historically and culturally relative.

[@pgunders1973]

Well, that was amusing. Let's look at some other of Freud's 'absurd' ideas: that human sexuality isn't all about reproduction, but involves all sorts of non-reproductive behaviors that need not be condemned as sinful or degenerate; that traumatic experiences in childhood can play a role in later psychological suffering; that contemporary civilization's demands of human behavior result in rampant alienation; that we often adopt the desires of others (such as parental figures) as our own in order to win the acceptance of others (such as love interests). What i think was particularly interesting about this video was the implication that Freud's bad reputation in psychology departments is a mark of shame. Freud's metapsychology--right or wrong--provides a foothold for critiquing contemporary culture that many academics in the humanities have embraced, whereas a great deal of contemporary psychotherapy is all about training people to be content in their places. Perhaps that is good for stockholders and KZbin video makers, but it isn't necessarily good for civilization as a whole. Here was was someone willing to talk about the fluidity--or "polymorphous perversity"--of human desire in the midst of the Victorian era, and you guys are still hung up on penis envy? C'mon sci-show. you guys can do better.

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

Yes, this was a very disappointing video. Very one-sided.

[@peggyeaston1575]

Freud's critics obviously need help.

[@danielayaquica7120]

Can we all agree on that some missconceptions of Freud comes from bad translattions?

[@ckminty603]

Agreed, the concept itself is completely flawed and evident of a lack of deeper and broader awareness than the current moment and media narratives for simpletons permits.

[@VirginMostPowerfull]

No, that is dumb, you don't critique people as an academic if you don't even know if your theory (metapsychology of Freud) is right or wrong. That is intellectual hubris and demonstrates why psychoanalysis has to die a gruesome horrible death quite frankly. What did Freud bring psychology? We already knew sexual behavior was not limited to reproduction, that was taught by the Church for centuries and it is self-evident, what is problematic is when you *disconnect* pleasure from the reproductive act. Parents and other people influencing us? We already knew that too, it's just that we didn't talk about wanting sex with our mothers as babies. Having read Freud on what he says about sex, and studying this in college like it hasn't already been refuted unfortunately, I can see the degenerate nature of Freud influencing what he believed everyone went through, he was messed up in the head and his book "On Coca" and everything which surrounds it is proof enough. He sought glory, that's it, all my professors even psychoanalysts are honest enough to say that, and that was his role, being drunk on fame and popularizing certain theories. Stop defending the fraud, we have to move on. Read the 700 page book called "Freud : The Making of an Illusion" by Fredrick Crews. Enough is enough, I'm being taught this stupidity in psychology class as the *only available* course in clinical psychology, that is pathetic. *If you like him, that's on you, but psychology as a scientific field of study has to move on.*

[@Chicken_Monk]

Psychoanalytic therapy and psychodynamic therapy are different and you didn't mention that when comparing the two studies.

[@bluesmurff6163]

Yep, they needed to do more research on that one

[@Swordphobic]

@@bluesmurff6163 Its because Freud did use both nomenclatures interchangeably and so do those who practice it. Its debatable were you can call them different or not.

[@aradhyaislam1592]

Exactly. They've no clue what they're talking about. Freudian psychology can be observed everywhere. If I squeeze a guy's balls who's double my size and can squish me if he wanted around a large crowd, he gets emasculated and doesn't hit me. He becomes "tamed". I've done this so many times. At least a hundred times by now. Never once been proven wrong. And nobody thinks of Freud as an old dude who should not be spoken about

[@tugger]

they literally did crash course psychology episodes on these distinctions. People who pretend Freud is at all relevant are people couching revolting ideas that should've died with the 19th century (see comment above)

[@tugger]

@@aradhyaislam1592 so you admit to serial sexual assault. Not exactly the kind of person anyone should defer to for these issues

[@ladida9084]

4:39 I can confirm this. Currently, in 12th grade studying psych, the first time I heard about Freud was probably 8th or 9th grade in social sciences or English, Now he is referenced to in nearly all our subjects- Psychology, Sociology, English and Economics- either in textbooks or by teachers

[@paddleed6176]

He wasn't among the first to talk about the unconscious mind without ghosts and demons, he was simply great at hiding that it was a common discussion.

[@migspeculates]

The first chapter for every college freshman Psychology 101 class should be "Debunking Freud Ideas"

[@gingerinthedesertcreations]

Maybe I had bad classes but Feud was taught with no real implication that much of his stuff was wrong. I knew it was because psych had been an interest of mine long before it was a major but I wouldn't have known the "truth" from my time as a college undergrad.

[@allboutlyrics6780]

When I learned about psychosexual development in class the teacher taught it as it were facts and when we asked questions that this can't be true she was like "it is what it is "

[@tomwilliamson8717]

To defend literature studies a little: a large part of why Freud is (often superficially) studied is because of his influence on Modernist literature. Without understanding the basics of Freud and his influence on society, a significant proportion of what people were writing about flies over your head. It's not about taking Freudian analysis as Law. Also, some of his analyses of literature were very brilliant. Great video!

[@AristotleFullThrottle]

When she says "Really?" I fell out. Pure perfection. 😆

[@ozapata1977]

Aristotle Full Throttle cuz she knows its true dude

[@mb_2174]

@@ozapata1977 ok

[@greenredblue]

My psych professor said Freud was like psychology’s “weird, fun uncle who turns out to be kind of embarrassing when you get older.” Learning about Freud is a fantastic way to learn about how scientists alone can’t advance science. Popularizers and advocates really are necessary. Freud made psychology possible, even though he himself was kind of terrible at it.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

Freud was, and still is, popular. That's why if you want to be KZbin psychoanalyst all you have to do is shout his name to be considered knowledgeable person

[@danielvanover8631]

Not sure what Tattooed Woman's credentials are, but I must say that I find Freud more convincing than her rather insipid assertions. In fact, I wonder if she's actually ever read Freud, especially since she spouts off the same trite expressions others who know very little about Freud often make. Granted, there is much research that supports conclusions opposite to those reached by Freud, but the reason he is still important is that many therapists use his theories to help their patients live better lives. Yes, he insults the Politically Correct ideologies of people like TW, but he will still be around long after their ilk have passed. Seriously, the video is not worth the six minutes of your life it wastes to watch it.

[@fernandor4617]

I've always thought most of his ideas didn't make any sense, but people used to say I was wrong. Some people take his ideas too seriously. Although I know the importance of many philosophers in history, many of them were wrong in many aspects. Like Aristotle that believed that heavier object falls faster. That is incorrect.

[@finnradoy1742]

wow, you are such a prophet, congratulations

[@paulgoogol2652]

guess what Einstein. Aristotles was right considering any environment that contains air or different matters.

[@0000song0000]

Because he wasn't (entirely) wrong! Some behaviors are way easy to explain starting from a Freudian perspective (as a patient)

[@VeronicaGorositoMusic]

''Familiar Constellations' allegues to help some people also. ..........

[@mminlovewithflo]

and that's fine! Tarots too. and there's nothing wrong with it. Everyone finds their way to cope with pain and existence

[@LATEXXJUGGERNUT]

Never let an Appeal to Difficulty determine the factual accuracy. Some facts are complex and difficult to comprehend. Know when an argument from incredulity is in play.

[@federicol3457]

Of course, you didn't understand or even read Freud

[@Death6man]

Let me guess, argentinian, right?

[@federicol3457]

@@Death6man jaja, yes, you're right!

[@Death6man]

@@federicol3457 solo nosotros seguimos defendiendo esta pseudociencia jaja. Ya he leído Freud y Lacan, no niego la utilidad del psicoanálisis como terapia... Pero para explicar la génesis de los síntomas, deja muchísimo que desear jaja.

[@federicol3457]

@@Death6man bueno, pero decir lo que plantea el video me parece exagerado. Sigamos los argentinos y Slavoj Zizek, defendiendo al psicoanálisis!

[@Iggy600]

El psicoanálisis no fue hecho para EEUU, cuando llegó allá de la mano de europeos exiliados terminó deformandose tanto que Lacan tuvo que intervenir en su famoso "Retorno a Freud". Son el único país del que Freud mismo desconfiaba. Sigue habiendo psicoanalistas practicantes en EEUU, particularmente en Nueva York, pero cero producción intelectual de su parte.

[@nicanornunez9787]

If it is hard to quantify talk therapy if you don't have a score for the experience and "quality" of the psychotherapist, in particular transference must difficult the things. But in medschool the psychiatrists speak far more generously about electroconvulsive therapy than about freud, our school was all about antipsychiatry, but I liked a lot psychotherapy it is nice to talk with the patience, in particular the children, some of them just needed to talk to someone about their pain.

[@tukow89]

You americans dont study others post Freudian authors? Like ferenczi? Otto rank? Bion? Kahn? Zafiropoulos? Or even lacan? This video is the most non profound thesis about psychoanalysis I've ever seen. The only country that wildly disapprove Freudian methods is usa. It's very important for the rest of the world. Mostly in Latins countries . Not to mention the phalus envy hypothesis , that was debunked a long time ago. Feminists analysts are growing day by day in Latin America. Sorry about the bad English.

[@HelderGriff]

Cómo se puede estudiar psicoanálisis cuando no se tiene ninguna guía? Yo lo máximo que he hecho fue medio entender los conceptos generales pero siento que no es suficiente obviamente Se puede hacer algo? O es estudiar/leer las obras completas directamente ?

[@tukow89]

@@HelderGriff the psychoanalysis path , just like any other human science - or Geisteswissenschaften like Freud used to say - is experienced through the world's transformations. Besides , even Freud was aware of that. That's why you should read a lot of comments in his writings like : tis subject needs more studies ; or This theory I'll give to the new psychoanalists to improve. But yes. The foundation of the theory is needed in order to get to know the epistemologic base. But to not let this knowledge fade into shallowness , you will always need the post Freudian updates. Lacan is my favorite. But in Spanish you can read these awesome authors. The Argentinean author J D Nasio is the one I like the most. Thanks

[@HelderGriff]

@@tukow89 Ok I'll take note, thank you

[@tukow89]

@@HelderGriff anytime buddy

[@carlosdelvalle5417]

We also have a lot of "saints" and "miracles". The fact that we got interested in this pseudoscience does not convey that any other country should too.

[@alien9279]

1:33 best moment of a scishow vidoe xD

[@viperstrike0]

Psychology as a whole is built on eroding and shifting ground. The reason Freud is taught is because he gave legitimacy to the field.

[@jakeolthof]

Maybe she has no penis envy because she owns one.

[@songbird7450]

@@jakeolthof Her annoyed "really?" reminded me of the German saying "Getroffene Hunde bellen" which translates to "Dogs that were hit (successfully) make a noise/bark" -> If you get really pissed because of a statement about you, there might be something true about it.

[@jakeolthof]

Freud is best known for proving tobacco is More deadly than cocaine.

[@rub9812]

@@songbird7450or perhaps...perhaps it was a ridiculous statement

[@ObeySilence]

Depth psychology based therapy approaches are more effective than CBT for many patients.

[@RodrickColbert]

It was nice that she pointed out that Freud was not psychologist.

[@minabasejderha5972]

If only we'd spend as much time cleaning up some of the mess Skinner caused.

[@arthurobrien7424]

For example? Most people seem to be pretty chill with the idea that humans have thoughts and we can research the consequences of that.

[@alfredogonzalez8735]

Could you guys include the names of authors when citing research it helps with finding the resource and giving credit to the specific scientists

[@openfridi1138]

References are in the video's description

[@lmy2469]

Nice job guys! Now please do a video on Jung! Please I beg you, I know he’s a bit of a Mystic but I’m dying to hear your take on his works.

[@dirtymeatball6315]

Oh I’m sure they will but because this channel is run by leftist, Marxist ideologues so you’ll get nothing more than a bias, ignorant slant. Go somewhere else where they give an honest assessment.

[@nguyenuchuy1220]

Is that the guy with collective unconcious?

[@lmy2469]

Yep and the Archetypes, they’re his biggest contributions along with the Individuation Process

[@habibi5737]

@@dirtymeatball6315 😆😆😆😆 omg

[@cassiapalladium2921]

haha yeah it's funny you bring up the thing about him being taught outside of psychology classes. I'm literally only here because I'm trying to understand philosophy, Jung and Lacan specifically. I don't think I've ever taken up an interest in psychology before yesterday.

[@chord2140]

Perhaps a SciShow Psych Great Minds Series? You can talk about renowned psychologist and individuals that greatly shaped modern psychology. The main channel did this though it somewhat disappeared.

[@VirtualGobllim47]

The most important part of Freud's work was NOT treating his patients, for him the society was sick, and the individuals as a result as well. So you have 2 Freuds 1- the part it matters, is the one about society, in which he entered in the unconscious and society (where he said, for instance, "religion is a delusion, and as all delusions the one that is delusional doesn't know he is"). Its really important to know where he got wrong conclusions, but ot wasn't in the conclusions that most of his contributions came from.

[@mamavalpromise]

I would say that the awareness of (some of) the dynamics of the unconscious mind is one of humanity's greatest developments over the past century-ish...possibly even #1 top of the list. All of Freud's other ideas are derivative of that, so it's a shame that people can't see the forest for the trees. (To be honest, Freud's style is so off-putting that he's really his own worst enemy in that respect, and it's no wonder it's too much of a stretch for students to read a critical mass of his stuff in the original.) Freud was aware that he was breaking entirely new ground, that he was just putting a dent in it. He did not expect his speculations to become scripture; they were not intended that way. What matters is the LIVE PROCESS underlying psychoanalysis, NOT the particular fruits of the patient's labors. Regardless of whether phenomena like penis envy are for-real, psychotherapy (of any nature) FREES us from past particulars. Freud noted that even an infant's fantasies could traumatize him/her, and that healing would happen spontaneously when the patient got in touch with these mental constructs. Again, it's about PROCESS, PROCESS, PROCESS, not about any particular phenomena.

[@SnowBunneh]

So most of his work is dated and subject to socially pressures long since changed. However when it comes to childhood development influencing behavior he was accurate. Also "not all of our emotions are under our conscious control" I like that phrasing

[@EksaStelmere]

Super dated. Still better than the eugenics party his contemporaries were into. Freud paved the way for others to build towards neurology.

[@AEHTSCH]

If Darwin was wrong about everything he ever said, except that species do in fact change over time, we would not venerate him and teach his theories. He would be a footnote to biology at best, and, like lamarck would only be brought up to show how wrong he was.

[@satsujin4027]

I thought the same thing. But we did learn in college that Lamark was right about a lot of things and he was the first to even consider certains topics even if he wasn't entirely right about. And yet people still teach in school that Darwin was the evolution genius while Lamark was some dumbass that thought girafes got their long necks by strechting

[@lum26akua28]

To be fair, Darwin was a lot more open to being wrong on many aspects of his research than Freud ever was. We don't seek to disrespect them, just to learn from them.

[@sirmeowthelibrarycat]

Nova Verse 😖 Are you serious? Where in modern biology is Lamarck considered to be correct, and Darwin incorrect? Give precise examples and supporting peer reviewed research for your extraordinary statements!

[@maythesciencebewithyou]

@@sirmeowthelibrarycat you did not understand his comment

[@jpe1]

Sir Meow The Library Cat Lamarck was a brilliant taxonomist (he literally wrote the book on the classification of invertebrates like shellfish: Système des Animaux sans Vertebres, 1801) and in 1802 wrote “Recherches sur l'Organisation des Corps Vivants” in which he laid out *an* evolutionary theory, years ahead of Darwin. The fact that he got one particular complexifying mechanism wrong doesn’t invalidate how groundbreaking his thinking was. (And, recent research in epigenetics has show that he wasn’t completely wrong, either). Lamarck took a very controversial idea (that species change over time and new species arise) and put it on solid scientific footing, opening the door for future scientists to evaluate and refine his theories. To dismiss Lamarck for his beliefs in “adaptive use” and “spontaneous generation” would be like dismissing Wegener because he based his theory of continental drift on centrifugal force from Earth’s rotation pushing the continents around. Right theory, wrong explanation, but doesn’t make the theory wrong.

[@unusualdream762]

Therapy based on psychoanalysis is more commun in Europe and works really well for me and people I know, but I understand it might not be everyone's cup of tea. What I found was missing here is that this kind of therapy tends to have more long term benefits compared to behavioural therapy.

[@ginnyjollykidd]

Fortunately, my Psych 101 class had limited material on Freud (though I read his works in one of the Great Books series). We moved on to Jung, Pavlov, and B.F. Skinner in rapid succession. Skinner was amazing to me because it was a quantification of behavior, something that had not been done before. (Even Pavlov only studied involuntary responses to stimuli.) At least my teacher didn't insist and hammer on the idea that my uterus was the cause of all of my ills. Nor say I'm not getting enough sex.

[@jordanr.4150]

As wrong as he was, he got people talking about things like mental disorders in a less stigmatized way and created a movement to understand them, which was a HUGE step forward, and I feel like we don’t give the guy enough credit for that tbh

[@hayk3000]

Was I the only one kind of uncomfortable with the weird disrespect the man was getting?

[@KimberlyLetsGo]

Freud is the 'father of modern psychology' even though many of his theories are not useful or correct today. There has to be a starting point and it's not always right. It's like beating up Ford for creating the Model T; you can't compare it to a Tesla!! It was obtuse to bash him.

[@PhiNguyen-wm4kq]

Maybe because this is an American channel. In my country, Vietnam, psychotherapists really appreciate Freud's work. I also heard that in France, Freudian psychology is still mainstream.

[@marin4311]

@@PhiNguyen-wm4kq No, in France he is not anymore in fashion today. He was quite deified in the 60's and 70's. Brain imagery and neurochemistry is more in fashion nowdays.

[@aeiouaeiou100]

She probably thinks Freud was a sexist white supremacist

[@KatGlos]

@@aeiouaeiou100 That's because he was.

[@VirtualGobllim47]

I love how people see someone doing scientific work, in which Freud was always obvious about his focus being the methodology to study the unconscious, in which he made wrong conclusions, that is the part that matters less, but since people are dumb they focus on that part

[@gravijta936]

He may have been wrong, but he was pretty deep. I also heard he was a bit of a coward. Mmmm... Deep Freud Chicken!

[@samuelforesta]

I really don't think Freud deserves his name on any theories. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[@andrefreysen4693]

Such a well-spoken and articulate presenter. Well done!

[@Jean-dd1sl]

Unfortunately when Freud is taught outside of a Psych class they don’t seem to get what he was right and wrong about. My Sociology professor taught us as if he was right about everything and refused to listen when I said that more recent psychological research says otherwise.

[@pdreding]

Now, why do introductory computer science courses still teach bubble sort?

[@fjaramillo887]

The people who constantly hate Freud would be Freud patients

[@juanjolozadap4945]

This is a really vapid take on both Freud and psychoanalysis. The american way, really.

[@nicolasgralewicz4727]

I remember in grade 11 my anthro teacher was talking about psychosexual development. She didn't mention that it's a widely debucked and when I asked her about it (not in a correcting way, cause I thought someone teaching that class would know) she got super defensive and hit me with "then why's he in your textbook?". Wish I had a "and then they all clapped" moment, but this isn't Tumblr so I just shut up and let her continue teaching. Had a history teacher who was similar with how she shut down class discussion if it "wasn't in the textbook"

[@TaterKakez]

One word made me love this lady: “Really.” With that face lol Yes girl. I’m a fan

[@jvakorsven]

Episode Idea. Is seeing a psychologist/psychiatrist and talking to them actually beneficial to one's mind?

[@roxanveniales3558]

If Freud is still alive, what do you think are the major changes he would make to his theory?

[@DavidWalker1]

Professor A: “We teach Freud to psychology students for the same reason we teach Ptolemaic theory to physics students: because it reminds us of how today’s ideas got started.” Professor B: “Yeah, but we _don’t_ teach Ptolemaic theory to physics students in any detail.” Professor A: “We also teach Freud because it’s a thing the instructors got taught, and most feel kind of offended having to admit they wasted years getting to grips with something that’s mostly rubbish.”

[@ericulric223]

Wow, I love reading Freud except for when he discusses psychology. Totem and Taboo, Future of an Illusion. I like that Freud. Psychology is half pseudo-science altogether. Freud expounds best when he's in anthropological matters. He's like a historically-faring Hercule Poirot.

[@theelectricant98]

Agreed. I got so much out of reading Civilization and it's Discontents recently... That one is more in the lineage of Hobbes, Rousseau, and Nietzsche than it is psychology

[@ericulric223]

@@theelectricant98 How did I forget my forget Freud work "Civilization and It's Discontents"? That's Freud at his best.

[@nicolelandreth779]

This kind of video is why I love this channel. Thank you for always putting more thoughtful and research into the inter-webs 💜🧠

[@garypalmer997]

Please do a show on the debate "is psychology a science" please :)

[@veganevolution]

I think a lot is lost in translation from Freud's work. Like, is the mouth an erogenous zone? It's the first interface that babies gain control of

[@MrJayPuff]

This was an awesome video. You should do a video on ERN. They are biological markers for disorders like anxiety.

[@thegamephilosopher2214]

Freud isn't bogus. He just needed Lacan to stand up for him.

[@blackzeppelin9350]

Brit Garner looks like the sister brie larson haha

[@andrewdong3875]

Anyone knows the references for the 2 studies? * 2:51~2:57 -> "Although Freudian theory is mostly abandoned, some meta-analyses have shown that psychodynamic therapy can be effective… “ ** 2:57~3:11 -> "e.g., a 2012 meta-analysis of 11 studies found that psychoanalytic therapy was somewhat effective for a variety of disorders if you… “ ** 3:12~3:25 -> “Another meta-analysis in 2008 looked at more than 23 studies that compared long term psychodynamic...”

[@gizmogoose.2486]

"Freud chewed his fingernails to the quick." -- _Fran Lebowitz's alter ego_

[@culwin]

So Freud was like the Aristotle of psychology.

[@AlicaSummer]

Well just because you don't agree with his work and are "anal" or pejorative about it.. it doesn't mean he is wrong.. How many books have you published woman? It just means.. some of his work doesn't make sense to us.. but that doesn't necessarily mean he was incorrect

[@pynkfreud]

Using the term Freudian psychology or psychotherapy doesn't mean very much. Most of psychoanalysis today, and psycho-dynamic therapy, is not based on Freud but on "post-Freudian" approaches, such as Self Psychology and Attachment Theory, and the work of Peter Fonagy (Fonagy, P.; Gergely, G.; Jurist, E.; Target, M. (2002). Affect Regulation, Mentalization, and the Development of the Self. Other Press.) And there is a great deal of research indicating that psychodynamic talk therapy is effective, as or more than Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (which is best for mild to moderate and simpler disorders), with increasing benefits post-treatment. Please see the comprehensive work of Shedler, J. (2010) The Efficacy of Psychodynamic Psychotherapy, American Psychologist, Vol. 65, No. 2, 98-109, which is only one of a number of meta-analyses and studies of the topic. And regarding "anal retentiveness," Freud's explanation of the psychosexual development of children has been updated, but that phase of a child's life *is* significant in terms of body integrity, shame, self-control, and power issues. Who gets to control my body? Can I feel good about my body's natural functions ... ? How a parent handles this stage of development makes a difference as a child moves into adulthood. I think it would be best if SciShow Psych stuck to experimental studies on simple topics. The filed of psychotherapy is far too complex to summarize in five minute videos.

[@timewalker6654]

Freud wad always wrong in an interesting way🤷.

[@kevinbarber2795]

Another instance of “it was first, therefore it must be right”

[@aaaaa9441]

I actually like Freud. I don't understand why he gets so much hate. He is pretty accurate for people who got issues.

[@santosd6065]

YES! THANK YOU!!!! Freud almost single handedly created modern psychology. "Yeah, he got one or two things right....". One or two thing? Like the fact that childhood experiences shape our character and personality for life, how most of what goes on in our psyche is unconscious, how our relationship with our parents overwhelmingly influence our every other relationship for the rest of our lives, how you can actually TALK through many psychological illnesses rather than put people in institutions to be tortured... I don't think Freud is the problem, I think our own generation's inability to think coherently and systematically is the problem.

[@comradesniper7507]

@@santosd6065 hes literally the same guy who thought a women’s brain was completely inferior to a guys brain 😂, this dude got a few things right but half the time his theories were all over the place. Because a lot of the time he was on drugs when he came up with these theories.

[@santosd6065]

@@comradesniper7507 "A few things right" doesn't begin to describe it. The man single handedly dragged the field of psychology out being of the equivalent of astrology and turned it into a science. It's like saying "Yeah, sure, Newton got a couple things right (like gravity), but he also believed in God and other silly superstitions" To cancel a 19th Century guy because he exhibited the prejudices of a 19th Century guy is ridiculous.

[@comradesniper7507]

@@santosd6065 fair point but we can accept the things he got right and critique the stuff he didn’t. Some people act as if there wasn’t other leading psychologists at the time and give all the credit to Frued. And no ones “canceling” your idol calm down. People are simply learning more about him as a whole rather than just his greatest accomplishments.