Why Does Everyone HATE Lucius The Eternal? | Warhammer 40K Lore

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[@bushdude82]

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[@exginto8053]

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[@davidmason9142]

Dude what the fuck? I just saw you on my local game shop and now I'm questioning reality and myself cuz I'm too antisocial to come up and ask for a picture

[@Uzzgub]

Loved him ever since his first appearance In the Chaos Codex, he epitomises Slaanesh in every way possible

[@6stargeneral598]

I think you should make a video about how scary and terrifying the orks are. Seeing how you talk about the true terror about chaos and tyranids.

[@firemaneminiatures1337]

You could say "Overpowered galactic space racist" to any Warhammer fan with no context and they would say "Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down"

[@adrienwatson2179]

This is canon

[@jimmyhassett3179]

Batman beyond reference, hat off to you sir

[@simbriant]

So basically everyone in the Warhammer 40k universe. :D

[@V3v15c3r8]

Spacist

[@thecheesemouse]

Trazyn was the OG overpowered galactic Spacist, a real trendsetter that one

[@timberwolfbrother]

Lucius's immediate reaction to finding out he was killed by a landmine is great. "I have to bury EVERYBODY who knows."

[@JoaoSantos-ez4jm]

Lucius reencarnating in a landmine

[@Batlord_Carcas]

Surprised he wasn't laughing

[@f.e.areproduce5298]

I'm picturing it.

[@blooddrawer]

who said he buried them and who would know

[@Mr.LaughingDuck]

I read that in his TTS voice

[@aopndgaming7567]

Lucius; "FIGHT ME!!!!!" Valdor; *oneshots him. Some Random Custodes; "who was that?" Valdor; 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@BenHyle]

The guy who made the gun, or his descendants (who are quite proud of their lineage): becomes Lucius. That's why the character is *boring*.

[@adrienwatson2179]

@@BenHyle Yup damn land mine

[@alextruecustodian6174]

The craftsmen who made weapons for the Custodians :(

[@thefacelessone6151]

@@BenHyle until you realise that it's a custodian, who takes immense pride in killing anyone they thing to be a threat to their God Emperor, and would be a perfect plot device for an attack on the Emperor or even to show the might of a custodes being able to block their memories from Lucius. Do y'all not think this could be amazing if you didn't make him out to be boring and pointless?

[@marcusjr80]

@@thefacelessone6151 uhhh, custodians don't have emotions, they're essentially robots. Their will is only to serve the emperor, and they don't worship him.

[@TheWaluigiman1]

There was an old fanmade story about how the Iron Hands dealt with Lucius. The first instant was a Captain taking a Thunder Hammer to his knee, hobbling him and putting him out of the fight for a while. So it became doctrine that whenever the Iron Hands faced the guy, they would just disable him. Even the White Scars and Space Wolves did this. From chasing him around on a bike to a dreadnaught just dropping it's massive weight on him and pinning him to the ground. Don't need to kill him to defeat him.

[@extremepredudice]

I used to be a sado-masochistic warp fuelled duelist like you... but then I took a hammer to the knee.

[@crimsonlancer1872]

Where can i read this fanmade?

[@YohanPenny]

@@crimsonlancer1872 check inside my pants

[@valdimer11]

This fandom should be made canon. I read something like this as well. You can just delimb Lucius. He won't die and he won't be a threat

[@guilldea]

What if he dies from fall damage? Does he turn into a cliff?

[@danielcollinspda9936]

There was one character Lucius was killed by and the curse didn't manifest because it was before the curse first manifested. It was a Raven Guard who described killing him as "putting down a rabid dog."

[@BuckRogers087]

Was that in angel exterminatus?

[@poggestfrog]

@@BuckRogers087 I believe Fabius Bile later revived him

[@Bobbb-f3i]

I know this ain't your point, but you'd still take pride in putting a rabid dog down, cos thought you have contempt for it, you are proud the rabid dog can't hurt children for example

[@rushpatriot2866]

@@Bobbb-f3i I've put down a rabbit dog and didn't take pride in it. Why would you? You'd feel sorrow or pity. So no majority of people don't

[@Bobbb-f3i]

@@rushpatriot2866 so when you killed it, you did not once think"I'm glad this animal can't hurt others, I'm glad it's dead"?

[@roberttanguay8532]

There was one instance where Slaanesh had to resurrect Lucius himself, this was due to the fact that a Raven Guard Champion killed Lucius and took absolutely NO Pride in killing him. So, as a result, Lucius had no way of both, resurrecting through him and capturing his soul within his Armour. Nykona Sharrowkyn was the Raven Guard that killed him

[@johnnyscifi]

Sharrowkin is a total badass. As far as I know, he was the only RG astarte that could wraith-shift like his primarch

[@virn333]

And that right there is why I HATE chaos. In any reasonable story luscious is written to eventually be killed and taken down in a satisfying way involving his curse and someone taking no pride in killing him. But, because chaos is chaos, he's just allowed to live anyway. Horrible writing, and it's just one example of why anyone who likes chaos is an idiot.

[@Highland_Ronin]

I've only read a handful of heresy era books but Sharrowkin stood out whenever he appeared. The idea of him vs Lucius has encouraged me to read more.

[@Tacoguy1000]

Dude looked at him like a rancid, fetid dog that needed putting down. Who's going to have pride doing the equivalent of putting a withered, shambling creature out of their misery? He certainly didn't.

[@thecinnamonguy5127]

Haa I knew there had to be someone who didn't take pride in offing him.

[@farber08]

Can he at least be trapped in a stasis field? Becoming a new exhibit for Trazyn maybe? “I can’t be killed” “Very well then…a prison it is”

[@DetectiveLance]

I could see him trying to commit suicide then in hopes of another freebie from Slaneesh....How he could do that frozen in time, no idea. Make himself have an aneurysm?

[@ffwast]

"An unkillable man? More like a fine addition to my collection."

[@DetectiveLance]

@Pestilence Paradise Maybe Lucious just annoyed him one day or broke into his museum looking for that Fulgrim clone

[@quazarKiragon]

tesseract labyrinths also work, even to greater demons caught in one of those things would fear such a thing as to be trapped in what is literally a pocket dimension of no escape, that can even hold the power of the c,tan shards its probably by far one of the best countermeasures, as the TL does not kill them, it traps them, so the "emotions by killing" rule doesnt apply if he ends up killing himself, he would still be trapped in there, i would say throw the cube into a sun or blackhole but it would probably still count as killing him, so just bury the cube 6 miles under foot and forget he exists

[@ffwast]

@@quazarKiragon If you're going to use necron technology to contain him you may as well just give him to a necron to hold on to. He's a unique specimen,let Trazyn keep him on display forever.

[@_NIKOS9_NIKOS]

Imagine how different the landmine story would have went if Tobias had died before Lucius got blown up or if he streight up loathed his job

[@1r0zz]

I didn’t read the story, but from what the interview said it was a “reactionary” story done against the people hating/finding ways to kill the character. It’s a bit convoluted and silly…

[@NoTimeAllTime]

@@1r0zz wow that makes me hate it just a bit more.

[@icspps]

It could have been the guy who placed the landmine. But he was either dead or hated his job. Could have been the commander who ordered the landmine, but he was probably dead. Could have been the guy who pulled the landmine off the transport, but he probably hated his job. It was Slaanesh bending the rules of the magic a bit. They would have settled on someone sooner or later. It just settled on Tobias because he was probably the closest to the Lucius. Someone would have been viable sooner or later.

[@Pennywise12528]

What annoys me about Lucius is that his resurrection gimmick at first glance seems really interesting, but then you find out about the obvious rules patch to it which both effectively removes the twist and guarantees that he can't interact with some factions on a meaningful level. Lucius encountering Necrons or Tyranids should be thrilling, as he knows they can possibly kill him for good and has to act accordingly. Instead Lucius will never lose to Necrons or Tyranids because that would mean a C'tan or the Hive Mind will turn into Lucius and no writer would EVER get the green light on that. Edit: I didn't even know about the time someone genuinely killed him without pride but Slaanesh brought him back anyways. That's... that's just not even trying any more. That's the kid on the playground with his everything-proof shield.

[@LV426Survivor]

Yea it's just super lame. He has gigachad plot armor and it makes for super boring plotlines with him.

[@bobotmeister]

oh my! an alien killing him would be awesome. too bad.

[@Pass_The_Remote]

The resurrection that happened after Lucius was killed by someone not taking pride in the act was the point of no return for me. The rule is there so that if GW decide to kill him off, they have a way to do so. It would be like if in the Return of the King, when the Witch King of Angmar says "No man can kill me" and Éowyn took off her melmet, shouted "suck my nonexistant dick!" and fatally stabbed him, but instead of dying he just stood there and said "Was that it"? It would feel like a cop-out, and it is. I can get twisting some of the thing around, like someone not having pride in killing Lucius, but taking pride in their service to the Big E, and that being enough. Or perhaps, Lucius is killed and his killer doesn't feel pride in the act now, but perhaps years down the line does, and that is enough. Slaanesh just booping Lucius back is a terrible Deus Ex Machina, and turns an interesting curse into a literal plot armor.

[@Requiem4u]

O, that sucks... I was just thinking about the land mine guy and what would happen if the guy had died before his mine had killed Lucius. But apparently he would come back anyway...

[@PumpkinHoard]

Thing is, all the chosen champions of the Chaos gods are like that. Kharne has died multiple times. Khorne just brings him back. Off the top of my head I can't remember if Ahriman or Typhos have actually died, but if they did it's a pretty sure bet their god would bring them back. Typhos is practically a walking corpse in the first place so it's barely a stretch there and Tzeentch would likely bring Ahriman back just because he enjoys messing with him and using him in various plots. Beyond that pretty much all daemonic characters are un-killable except but like 0.0000000000000000000000000000000001% of of the 40k universe, at least in the permanent sense. And that's probably way too few zeroes. And now dead Primarchs are coming back as well. Where warp fuckery is in any way involved, it does seem that death is not necessarily permanent. Also if GW needs to sell models it's not permanent.

[@sev1120]

I just love the thought of Lucius being incredibly polite to the people he takes the bodies from, but gets annoyed when they don't thank him for the opportunity of hosting the greatest duelist in the galaxy.

[@S_047]

"greatest duelist" lol *Looks at all the faces that killed him on his armor*

[@sev1120]

@@S_047 but let's not forget that Lucius never loses the same way twice. But bear in mind, his number of deaths are only in the single digits, after fighting for ten millennia

[@qwormuli77]

@@S_047 "Greatest duelist" doesn't mean "immortal duelist" or "unbeatable duelist". The uncontested best of each sport or competition most likely have been beaten during their careers.

[@bobotmeister]

@@sev1120 after 10k years in single digits? bah, plot armor! 🤣

[@cyruslupercal9493]

@@S_047 Did he get killed in a duel though? Or in a battle and not one on one combat.

[@HalduBouyaNono2]

WesHammer : feels unsafe to make a video to defend an hated character. Tau players : "First time ?"

[@iamnotglenn]

But do people hate Tau characters or just the Tau in general?

[@johnsmithfakename8422]

I like the Tau because they know how their stuff works. They are the new (relatively speaking) nerds on the block. ... OK I'm going to be honest, I like railguns. Tau field railguns. I like the Tau because they field Railguns.

[@that_one_libra419.9]

People don't like the T'au because they space communists(essentially). I don't like the T'au because they look like discount Forerunners to me. We are not the same.

[@greydemonamvs8389]

Majorkill: you what?

[@nitrus1933]

@@iamnotglenn From what I’ve seen, it’s just the Tau in general. Farsight and Shadowsun are relatively well-liked.

[@UGNAvalon]

Gotrek vs Lucius - Unstoppable warrior vs Unkillable warrior Plus, knowing Gotrek’s desire for death, him beating Lucius would just result in a massive “AW, *COME ON!”*

[@Dipnderps]

Spits on the corpse, "Hardly even worth fighting...come manling, my death must be found elsewhere"

[@artzilla3]

Hmmm reality would break if Cato sicarus fought lucius

[@guywholikesmemes4993]

"Most hated character" Erebus, kor and GW business decision makers: "allow us to introduce ourselves."

[@r00fles]

F**k Erebus

[@Rapture-nv5vj]

I mean, they all can take number #1

[@guywholikesmemes4993]

@@r00fles I agree. Yes it's said a lot but it is for a good reason.

[@h0shidont35]

People hate Erebus and kor for good reasons. Lucius is just, bullshit.

[@thatguy9540]

Adding the mandatory FUCK EREBUS

[@Backstabmacro]

The landmine story could work if it was slightly rewritten. Imagine if the manufactorum Tobias worked in was on a planet currently under assault by the Emperor’s Children led by Lucius. Imagine Tobias is an overseer who prides himself on skilled and smooth work. After a major battle, members of the PDF come through the city proclaiming the defeat and flight of the Chaos Heretics. The commander of the PDF comes to speak with Tobias personally. He’s confused, but happy to receive the commander. Tobias is told that the victory was due to his contribution specifically. Confused, he asks how and why - and is told the enemy leader died due to a careless moment of stepping on one of the landmines Tobias produced and saw placed on the battlefield. He experiences a moment of pure dumbstruck wonder…and then a rush of pride that he had a role in defeating an enemy commander with his labor for the Emperor and His Imperium. And that’s the moment he hears Lucius speak into his mind for the first time.

[@noahcurry7839]

Good story

[@misterscorpius1446]

This feels like actual lore and the actual lore feels like a meme. Fuck this shitty, pathetic franchise.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

That makes more sense.

[@willrogers3793]

One of my favorite bits of obscure fan fiction/homebrew is Hive Fleet Banshee, a very small (by Tyrannid standards) hive fleet that is the hypothetical answer to the question, “what would happen if Lucius the Eternal was eaten by Nids?” In a nutshell, he’s kinda/sorta “possessed” a single hive ship and it’s contingent of bugs, he is in constant pain from his soul being fragmented into the millions of Nids that now make up his “body”, and he finds this new form entirely disgusting and un-fabulous. And yes, I love this concept *entirely* because it’s a (slightly) plausible way to make Lucius, a character I really dislike, suffer eternally.

[@mrbuttocks6772]

He'd be controlling a million+ bodies at the same time as well, a good way to effectively neutralize him as a threat. After all he is not the Nid Hivemind, nor is he even a psyker as far as I know. So he'd just be screwed, stuck fragmented between a bunch of disgusting creatures he can't even control or really do ANYTHING. Not a single one having enough of him in it to allow any sort of effective control.

[@alexess1970]

But Lucius doesn't change forms when he ressurects. If it follows the pattern, the fleet would take Lucius' form not the other way around. Not sure how the curse mechanic would handle the size difference - would all the matter of the fleet be compressed into one new Lucius or would they become a swarm of Luciuses - Lucii - with a hive mind?

[@hypo7351]

One problem for me is that it’s said he can only be reincarnated if the killer takes pride in it, but fairly certain Slaanesh pulled some warp fuckery and made Lucius reincarnate anyways even though someone who killed him didn’t take pride in it

[@caimdatdill]

That was in the Heresy. Before the curse. Bile brought him back.

[@Furanku13]

Even read that he once got killed by a mine and he possessed the guy who made the mine cause he was proud of his work, he was clueless lmao

[@cheezitza9639]

@@Furanku13 The worst part about that PIS is that the writer specifically said he would read on some forum about how people would beat Lucius permanently. He didn't like that, and that's why the landmine was written in. He was so upset that their rules for Lucius are fucking stupid, that he wrote something even dumber than the perceived rules. It was literally like that episode of Southpark where Cartman wants to have every super power.

[@Furanku13]

@@cheezitza9639 What if you kill yourself before he even takes you over?

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

@@cheezitza9639 Sadly, Black Library Authors are well known for that kind of attitude. People hate Matt Ward for the sheer scale of his damage he caused, but when it comes to bad morals, he's only the tip of the iceberg. GW's culture is obscenely toxic begining to end. Warhammer is at its best when it has nothing to do with GW. That's why people now love the games made by independent studios, sadly, complete randos are way better at handling the lore than those in charge of it.

[@darkestccino5405]

In my opinion, the reason other villains who are more powerful are not as hated is because other villains have more straight forward abilities. Lucius' ability boils down to "the rules of the universe literally won't let him lose a fight. No matter how badly he performs, he will always win in the end". It's the literary equivalent to activating a "gotcha" stratagem at the end of a 40k match to win instead of winning through strategy and being the better player.

[@samiamtheman7379]

The reason a lot of Warhammer villains, Lucius and Abaddon in particular, are hated is that the only reason they're still around is because of plot armor.

[@idigamstudios7463]

@@samiamtheman7379 Literally in Lucius' case

[@Suninrags]

I think it would be interesting if Lucius ended up possessing someone who is too strong willed, and as a result his soul becomes sequestered into the person thus being unable to escape or take them over. Also I am not too well read on the lore but can he take over a blank? surely a strong enough blank would kill him outright?

[@tabhamma4451]

My problem with luscious is he's described and hyped up as master swordsmen. But all his stories after the hh (and even some during) are just him getting destroyed in a fight. And with 40k specifically, he just comes back regardless of who or what kills him. Makes me feel his supposed swordsmanship is undermined with the simple fact he can just die to his opponents and still win.

[@oddbjrnhaugen2742]

Maybe he got that spread as a rumor, so people would take pride in besting him in combat?

[@fern1009]

That's why I don't like his character - his curse makes it feel like he's won the moment he sets foot on most battlefields. Either he'll come out victorious or he'll just be killed and resurrect outside a specific set of circumstances - likely taking the life of somoene tough enough to beat him. And that to me is boring -_-

[@gio-gioarmani2268]

@@fern1009 Didnt he once died to a landmine but got resurected through the guy who made the landmine because he felt pride serving for the emperor?

[@adrienwatson2179]

Hes got Worf syndrome for sure

[@primary2630]

@@gio-gioarmani2268 yes its mentioned in the video. Lucius was also killed by Sharrowkyn who took no pride but Lucius was carried away and revived again

[@AcidUsagi]

My issue with Lucius is that when there is no fear of him dying (or anyone with a plot armour as thick as that) it never changes the outcome of said character. Lucius gets defeated = He survives, Lucius defeats his opponent = He survives. This creates really one dimensional character and as soon as you read something like "One hulking man stepped over the felled blast door. His armour was ordained by the souls he once fought, it was Lucius." You instantly know what will happen to him if it comes to battle. It is really hard to get excited about a villain who, even when they die, they win.

[@Chris-ci8vs]

Nah. that's awesome

[@valletas]

Worst part is no matter who he fight he will kill them because he either wins by combat or kills them using his ability

[@Dingus_Khaan]

Exactly. There's a complete lack of tension when it comes to Lucius. It's invariably "heads, he wins; tails, you lose" with him and it just gets boring.

[@somethinglikethat2176]

I think the biggest problem with him is that they jumped the shark when he was killed by a Necron but was able to come back in their body. At that point it goes from a cool and interesting power to a BS hack and that's why he is a boring and irritating character.

[@anomalousproductions3747]

@@Dingus_Khaan The fanbase’s dislike of his resurrection ability is kinda cool in my opinion. It brings the intended fictional feelings of hatred and boredom into reality.

[@jamesmacken9501]

I'm surprised you didn't mention the big downside of his resurrection ability mentioned in Wolves Clothing, Lucius loses pieces of his soul every time he resurrects and has it replaced by something else. To the point he wonders how long until nothing of him remains. In The faultless blade it seems whatever it is, is gaining some control over him and torments him for it.

[@lordfrieza3792]

It's more than likely pieces of Slaneesh or maybe bits of other beings souls that Slaneesh has eaten or corrupted over time.

[@paulellington1505]

I like how you mentioned Angel Exterminatus but you forgot to mention Nykonna Sharrowkyn the Raven Guard who killed him but didn't fall victim to the curse. Lucius just woke up on Bile's apothecary table and almost gave poor Fabius a heart attack.

[@weshammer]

That scene was so awesome. I had a segment on it but ended up cutting it. I'll do a comprehensive lore video on him after I finish faultless blade

[@paulellington1505]

Great video man. Sharrowkyn is one of favorite characters in the lore and his duel with the Eternal was awesome.

[@jamesmattila-hine1133]

What book is that in?

[@ChannelCzarovski]

@@jamesmattila-hine1133 angel exterminatus but i don't think lucy been given the slaanesh armor yet

[@Tuck93093]

Ohhh I loved that moment.

[@michealball1896]

The problem is not that he resurrects. You have beloved characters that do that. The problem is that they put rules in it and read a bunch of fan forums just to make the rule so loose that it's not a rule anymore. It's not just pride it's any sort of drive even if that drive is cut off from the warp or has no soul.

[@howdareyouexist]

yeah it is lame as hell. it is just chaos god resurrecting their favorite champion like we have seen plenty times before with other characters

[@skyefox]

It's a tragedy Lucius is still around and kicking but Sharrowkyn is literally in the back of GW's freezer.

[@weshammer]

I'd love it if sharrowkyn came back!

[@someguythatlikesmanga5595]

We need him to comeback I need my Crow boy

[@johnnyscifi]

Better yet. Tarvitz is dead, and Lucius still lives

[@bequakynskagroupie3751]

We still love Lucius…

[@stingray2223]

@@johnnyscifi faaaack youuuu, i miss Tarvitz so much

[@PS3PCDJ]

What I see as a problem with the land mine story is that it was stated that Lucius will possess you when you beat him in a duel and take pride in the victory. Whereas here, the worker took pride in the construction of the landmine itself and not in any sort of victory

[@trutwhut6550]

Take pride in the kill

[@spiritvdc5109]

Tbf Slaanesh making Lucius immortal was cheating the system in the first place to get his champion back when he lost. So obviously Slaanesh is going to bend the rules as far as he wants or disregard them entirely - after all, Slaanesh is a Chaos God, they don't *do* integrity or consistency.

[@NeiasaurusCreations]

@@spiritvdc5109Issue is that it kinda kills off any enjoyment of lucis as a character. Because a character that can literally NEVER die, whos rules are inconsistent to the extreme, and a character that even when they lose, they still win is just...Boring? Because now there's a loophole that even if he dies, if the ammunition he's killed with is made by a worker who takes pride in that, he'll come back, basically ensures there is NO way to kill him. Which is a serious problem. Because a character that has no stakes, has no real interest to them. The best villians are ones that know failures and successes. My boy angron is an example of this. Dude fails, a LOT, but he also gets his moments. So when angron roars, people take note. And angron is a demon primarch, but has less OP immortality than lucis... Ain't that just a peach?

[@djchappell1726]

The problem for me is that I like him in his early career, watching him grow and fall simultaneously. All my joy turns to ash when I acknowledge that indirect kills don't actually punish Lucius. So the Emperor, or a feelingless primarch could stab him dead. But, whoops, the tech adept that polished the sword had pride in it, Lucius get back in there~!

[@brya9681]

Idk, I think k that's fun for what is basically a demigod of mischief and decadence

[@isabellross6110]

​@@brya9681 Yeah, that just sounded hilarious. Also, great dark humor. Imagine actually being so impervious to death as a sword savant that you could burst from nearly anyone's chest. That is twisted hilarity.

[@isildur4664]

Trazhyn should add this guy to his collection

[@Archon3960]

Heh. He just can't compete with the perfect loyalist clone of Fulgrim. B)

[@jo_ken]

A little bit of a missed note for not mentioning the time Slanesh went around the rules of the curse when the Raven guard champion killed him and felt no pride in it and he came back regardless.

[@gio-gioarmani2268]

Slanesh be like: Well erm... i didnt expected that... Try again

[@johnsmithfakename8422]

@@gio-gioarmani2268 That sounds like something Slanesh would do.

[@JinzoTK]

Unless the Raven guard champion killed him naked and unarmoured, shouldn't Lucius revive inside the person who made the weapons and armour the space marine used. That's what happened with the mine incidient. Technically even being killed by a space marine should have Lucius revive inside the Big E but the Big E is a god so...

[@atk9989]

@@JinzoTK nah, if the maker didn't take pride in the work then it doesn't work. Also Space Marines are just tools to big E he isn't proud of them.

[@JinzoTK]

@@atk9989 I think someone making a weapon, even a bullet for a space marine would feel some level of pride in their work. Aren't Bolters considered a bit like holy relics that plebs aren't allowed to have. As for the Emperor, I think even if he does see them as tools, I would think they is some pride to him having made them. "They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines such that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear." How does one say that and not feel even a little pride in what they made.

[@dark67titan99]

My issue with this lad is just how OP his revival power and how vague the requirements are to trigger it

[@Tom_Cruise_Missile]

You and I think all of us. He isn't even a good swordsman! He gets his shit kicked in time and time again! He died to a FUCKING LAND MINE! But apparently he's the best goddamn swordsman ever despite constantly getting his ass kicked! He isn't a good swordsman he's a shit swordsman LITERALLY REVIVED BY PLOT ARMOR.

[@mattspicer869]

is it op? what if the pwrson kills his ass then kills them self THAT WAY he cant come back i broke the game with my big brain

[@dragconen]

@@mattspicer869 Slaanesh will just bring him back his whole theme is "I win" and it is a boring theme it is the same bad writing that people get pissed at superman and his fans. Really if you look at the whole of wh40k lore it is a static universe where nothing really changes chaos will always be back humanity will never run out of pawns to send into the meat grinder etc etc.

[@loowick4074]

I mean id expect some cheese from a God like slaneesh. Lucian being used to make other characters look good because he is expendable isn't as bad since he is just a space Marine. Even if empowered by a God is no match for a primarch. Like kharn getting swatted like a fly by dorn. Biggest victims are the Avatar of khaine and especially the swarmlord which considering is an apex creation of a species so vast that they envelop the galaxy several times over should be at minimum primarch level. But he gets killed by warbosses, generic chapter masters all the time.

[@verro9953]

@@mattspicer869 The person who made the item you killed yourself with takes pride in their job or in their craft. Lucius comes back that way and you're still dead. His revival power is dumb, and your brain is not big.

[@ramonaray4307]

I like that the resurrection rules basically guarantee that if/when he is permanently killed, it's going to be the most ignominious way that it could possibly happen in. He either dies to something random and unexpected independent of his skill, but without the added benefit of "The mine maker took pride in his work." Like getting hit by a shell fired by someone that's not happy to be fighting for the imperium in an army with no general and with a shell that JUST SO HAPPENED to be crafted on a heretic world that would be more disappointed than glad their shell got sent to the imperium, in a chain of dissatisfied circumstances that would seem like they were intentionally planned that way if anyone looked at it too closely. OR He keeps doing so well that Slaneesh just gets bored and yoinks all the power out of him. There's no glorious ending here for him. He either dies unimpressively to a foe that couldn't care less that he exists or that they even managed to kill him, or he gets replaced for some other champion who happens to be fresher than he is. Even if he's more skilled.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

How about he gets killed by Kharne the betrayer in the middle of his blood frenzy and he doesn't realise he's done it, a champion of khorne would probably have some protection from the dishonorable sorcery of the other chaos gods.

[@mariofan1ish]

Or something extremely anticlimactic, like a sufficiently large rock landing on him because of a nearby battle that barely even acknowledges his presence, if it all.

[@paulrodgers2675]

Immortal characters are usually boring because there are no stakes for them, and writers have to work real hard to make them have something else they can lose, or learn or some form of character development that can happen for people to not dislike/find them boring. Lucius has none of this and this makes him boring.

[@dregmek]

Lucius can be put down for good, it just has to be without pride. Even if there's a very miniscule amount of pride in the person, that'll be enough to bring Lucius back and in the armor. Fun fact: the dark eldar want to get Lucius's armor off of him so they can torture him without him escaping

[@abdullahansari437]

Nah GW have shown they will find a way to bring him back regardless which is one of the reasons for his hate. No one likes such overt use of plot armour. He once got killed by a mine, but the factory worker who was not even aware of Lucious's existence took pride in his work, so lucious was able to come back by consuming him. Doesnt matter how similar it sounds, taking pride in making mines =/= taking pride in killing lucious.

[@luisdoyer3260]

Part of me wants him to get captured by Tau or Eldar to get experimented on.

[@dummytest2363]

@@abdullahansari437 Exactly, so even if someone killed lucius in one to one combat, and took no pride in killing him, would he still resurrect if that person also took pride in making the sword?

[@legionofthedamned157]

@@dummytest2363 Yes

[@Chaerea_Carmin-Slaanesh_Chosen]

The simple fact people forget is that Lucius is the great champion of Slaanesh, the most corruptive chaos god, and he only fights in melee. Nothing can be within proximity of that much slaanesh corruption and not walk away being able to feel literally ZERO pride. It’d be like saying you were going to have typhus cough on you and if you got a single germ in your body you lose.

[@mprojekt72]

I have long wondered what would happen to Lucius if he was killed by a natural event or an autonomous weapon that was built by someone who has been dead and dust for longer than the human species has existed. For example; he gets fried by a naturally occurring, superluminous supernova or he was in the wrong place when the Krork version of a selectable, lightweight attack munition turns him into finely-divided mist of gore.

[@notsocrazytank707]

Slaanesh finds a way. If he could crawl out of a Necron, be could be reborn an Obliterator terminator through the turret

[@genericscout5408]

he just gets revived from pure chaos energy, it's already happened before. The only way to put him down is to put him into a tesserect labyrinth

[@mprojekt72]

@@notsocrazytank707 Lucius seems to be a bit like Superman - Lucius is as powerful or as broken as the author needs in order to keep Lucius from being summarily written out of 40k entirely.

[@notsocrazytank707]

@@mprojekt72 Perhaps. He's more of a plot tool than a character tbh

[@adrienwatson2179]

Basically Slaanesh Him/Herself would resurrect him. Already happened. Basicslly Sharrowkyn was such an absolute BEAST, he took zero pride or happiness from killing Lucius in a dual. Kind of looked on it like putting down a rabid dog. Lucius even tried to tell him his name "Dont care to know" So yeah Plot armor... and then some

[@lazywargaming6752]

I think people just don't like the landmine story because it means he is actually just unkillable. Because anyone who makes the weapon that strikes him down will likely feel pride having made part of a primarchs or spaceman blade/bolter or armor

[@sbrazenor2]

There was a story that made Lucius a bit more sympathetic as a character. The story is called The Reflection Crack'd. He finds out that Fulgrim is not really Fulgrim and he has dreams that grip him with fear. He sees the changes in the other men within his legion and recalls the horrors of Istvaan, and seems to regret following Fulgrim down the path of what is essentially damnation. It's a good story and humanizes the character, I think.

[@alexess1970]

That's a great story. I feel like it gets underrated because people get put off by the scene where they try to torture the demon out of Fulgrim. I like that Graham McNeill plays up the horrifying aspects of the Emperor's Children, but if you're not expecting it a scene like that can overpower the other aspects of a story. Torture scenes are like curry that way.

[@KipcreateGaming]

I think the biggest issue with Lucius for me is that Chaos is supposed to a self-destructive path, but it's seemingly only a boon for Lucius to get away with anything. He can't lose, because if he loses, he wins. Erebus, the "Hand of Destiny", is despised by all, even (and especially) by the traitors he helped make. He's a disposable pawn of Chaos that has nothing, and whose pride will see him inevitably abandoned by the very gods he's served all this time. Much the same with Lorgar- his piety and service are tools, and under Chaos, he's a shadow of what the Emperor intended- a laughingstock that can only hide away from Corvus and scribble on inane rantings that none of the other Chaos factions give the slightest shit about. Mortarion, Angron, and Fulgrim are shadows of themselves, lost to their worst aspects. Mortarion is a pathetic hypocrite, who didn't even truly get to chose his own path. Angron is just a mindless madman who has to be corralled like cattle to get anything meaningful done, and Fulgrim's vanity has lead to him and his chapter to lose any dignity they once had. Those that fell to Chaos lost things that were meaningful to them. Not just generic loss of soul or self- though that is included- they lose so much more, and often by their own hand. But Lucius? He's won the Chaos boon lottery. If he dies, he comes back. Is there any pain or torment to this? Not really, and certainly not enough for a man who already mutilated himself for pride. Does he lose anything, or have to overcome anything to resurrect through the body he takes over? No. There's no struggle at all for him to come back. Hell, he'll resurrect through the MANUFACTURER of a landmine that killed him- not because the man knew it killed Lucius, but simply because the man took pride in working hard. Lucius curse takes nothing from him. It changes nothing about him. He gets to be 'the best swordsman', and though he has to 'seek out more dangerous foes', there is zero risk to him whatsoever. If he beats them, he wins. If he loses, he'll resurrect effortlessly through his opponent, killing them, and thus, by losing, winning. There's no cost. No risk. No effort. Slaanesh just gave them a free win card for every scenario, and Lucius has lost nothing of personal value to himself in the process. It's boring and stupid, and undermines what makes Chaos compelling- Chaos should always be a two-edged sword, a monkey's paw that collects its cost with interest.

[@isauldron4337]

Lucius should at least show open suffering to resurrecting Or simply not resurrect in such bs way

[@michaelhowell2326]

One reason is because he doesn't follow the lore rules in reference to him taking possession of anyone who took pride in killing him.

[@cosmichay74]

We can't have some guardsmen artillery accidentally shell him without knowing.

[@ligmusprime4341]

@@cosmichay74 he stepped on a mine once and possessed the factory worker who made it because he took pride in making the mine

[@the-wanderer111]

Lucius dies without anyone taking pride in it. Lucius: I'm gonna ignore that.

[@michaelhowell2326]

@@cosmichay74 I dunno, I think a number of characters need to die. Lucius would be in the top 5 for me for sure. I just isn't cool enough to get that much plot armor.

[@cosmichay74]

@@ligmusprime4341 talk about Plot armor, like their SHOULD be a pro and a con to everything, that what makr writing fun

[@Koppu1doragon]

My favorite story is when he challenged one of the thousand sons, loses, and then resurrected in the middle of the warp, I don't know if it was a fan story but the Thousand Son didn't have even a hint of pride in "Putting down a rabid dog" but he still resurrected just not from anyone's body.

[@ionutcriveanu7019]

I'm guessing the reason why Lucy didn't erupt out of the body of the guardsman who PLANTED the mine was because, well, he was a guardsman. Chances were extremely high that he was long dead by the time Lucius stepped on his mine.

[@vicio19995]

for the time space travel takes, and work condition on the imperium, higher chances that worker should had been already dead too

[@AlexHernandez-ee5hd]

I love Lucius the Eternal, he's the reason I started playing chaos at all.

[@DUBnonymous]

I want Lucius to be tasked with taking down the golden throne and I want him to succeed. A few minutes after succeeding he starts to feel something strange coursing through him and eventually gets pushed out of his body and finds that the god-emperor of man kind used his immense psyker powers to manipulate and steal/use Lucius’ own ability against him and the god emperor is resurrected in Lucius’ body. This is coming from someone who’s never played warhammer but has watched tons of Wes lore videos.

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

Makes about as much sense as anything else involving Big E.

[@weasley7273]

How to deal with the eternal. 1. Have someone kill him 2. Put said person in a box of 12 foot by 12 foot strong metal. 3. Have the box either in max containment or shove in the sun. :>

[@checkoutmyplaylistsforente8054]

Could you do a deep dive into Ork society? How can they breed specific types of squigs, how are Ork strongholds constructed both from the outside and inside, what forms of entertainment do the Orks engage in outside of combat, what kind of work do slaves and gretchin have to do e.t.c?

[@InquisitorAstelon]

Lucius is great and I hope they give him a new 40K mini when Emperor's Children get a codex someday. The current one is just terrible and the 30K one is amazing.

[@bequakynskagroupie3751]

I’m also hoping this… very very much so!!

[@rainsoakedscribe7068]

I think that he falls into the same trap as Abaddon the Despoiler. He's failed enough times or in an embarrassing way to the point that that's what he's associated with despite GW's trying to make it part of the character's master plan. Contrast that to Kharn. He never has a master plan. He just wants to slaughter and has been killed a few times, but it comes across as him just being too angry and bloodthirsty to stay dead, which is what Khorne loves about him.

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

Sleeveless Berserker Literally Too Angry To Die

[@dikkie1000]

Lucius against Cato Sicarius (and perhaps the TTS version at that) could be entertaining. Cato Sicarius' pride might be a bit too robust to be overpowered by Lucius.

[@Adamanteus08]

The problem with Lucius is that he cant be beaten. He is overpower to the point where if you loose he takes your soul, if you win he takes your soul.

[@lordkroak8457]

just be like dante problem solved

[@orangetrees2809]

He's worse than Erebus. At least Erebus was always evil Lucius betrayed literally his only friend -.-

[@szymonkalinski3014]

Erebus also killed his friend Argel Tall and he is the reason why this heresy started. Lucius at least tryed to save his primarch.

[@bequakynskagroupie3751]

We still love him…

[@Engifarting456]

erebus is also a shitty tf2 halloween map

[@adrienwatson2179]

@@szymonkalinski3014 Ehhhh Argal Tal and Erebus kinda disliked eachother since Argal Tal tried to kick his ass as a Novice.

[@erichernandez634]

You and inquisitor martyr on console were my first introduction into warhammer 40k universe and it's been a snowball effect since. I absolutely love what you do and how you do it bud and I just want to thank you for taking the time out of your day and finding the passion to not only produce content but make it fun and entertaining to watch/listen too.

[@mattbrown5511]

Has Trazyn ever hinted at wanting his armor or sword? That would be an interesting story line.

[@somethinglikethat2176]

Probably not special enough for Trazyn to go out of his way for.

[@gigahoodedscare9316]

I figured out a way to kill Lucius permanently, a custodes with the emperors sword to prevent slannesh from bringing him back, and the custodes with a self destruction sequence and who ever made the armor, made the custodes, or made the sword, dead. Lucius will be unable to become the custodes or who made anything of the custodes and the emperors sword to prevent slannesh from just remaking him

[@lizabeth529]

or just have someone who feels pity for him kill him

[@heythere263e]

This is by far the most terrifying person in 40k. If he shows up its likely youll die or be sent to the warp, and if you fight back and defeat him your stuck on his armour for eternity. Absolutely terrifying.

[@Predator20357]

*Yawn* Yah Okay Pal, now get in line like the rest of everyone else that can sneeze and wipe out millions. This is WarHammer40K, what you said is the bog standard for Chaos Marines.

[@heythere263e]

@@Predator20357 you are completely right.

[@Predator20357]

@@heythere263e oh uh…wasn’t expecting this but thanks? Damn now I feel like a dick

[@heythere263e]

@@Predator20357 it's fine dude. Now go slay heratics:>

[@lordkroak8457]

Definitely lucius outside of him being a sadistic prick is actually quite scary considering his ability

[@dylanmontgomery9111]

I think the funny part about his curse is actually represented by memes. He seeks to be the perfect swordsman and to be known as such, but instead he is known for his failures feared for what may happen even should you win.

[@DSMCasual]

“The most hated Character in 40k” “F You Erebus!” -From MajorKill

[@jefrosiers8880]

you can say a lot about major but i share his opinion on Erebus

[@alphariusomegon7374]

Me too

[@tylerhemmerly5624]

Lucius was the first Emperors Children model I painted after really enjoying the EC lore I read in the HH novels as well as Fabius biles story. I got out of tabletop 40K for a large number of reasons, but a big one was the extreme lack of EC support in the model range. Might come back to it if they ever produced an actual grim dark reprisal of, in my opinion, one of the most 40kish factions there are. If they do a goofy retro glam rock version of the army like the throwback single noise marine we got a few years back, I’d be upset. EC would be great without all the meme bullshit ruining their potential.

[@alexess1970]

Yeah, you have to do a lot of kitbashing to do an EC army properly.

[@chrismosher4869]

I love these longer lore videos! I actually got introduced to the hobby through one of your meme videos but now I like to listen about the deep dives while I paint cause the lore really is interesting!

[@PelinalDidNothingWrong]

I hope when we get an Emperor's Children range refresh,we get a new Lucius model. I love his ability of esentially self ressurection via essence transfer and he's desperate for a new model. Good job Wes!

[@hunterwaguespack3963]

My first time learning about Lucius was with the faultless blade book which i really liked, then to find out everyone hates the guy& I was like “aww man:(“

[@LeBaron101]

I like him, love doing his voice

[@adrienwatson2179]

Honestly cant blame you Say what you will about Lucius, as least hes having a good time... everyone else is miserable. (Other than Orks)

[@MrocnyZbik]

I like the guy, you are not alone

[@joshuabonesteel2303]

I hated how he threw his brothers under the bus at Issvan. Fulgrim sent him down there to die, and Lucius still sided with him to save his worthless hide.

[@MrGrave111]

I love Lucius, he was my gateway into starting reading Warhammer, I started with Lucius, The Faultless Blade in August, and at this point I'm 6 books in

[@kotyrollins]

I like to imagine all the mine assembly workers doing the "Im doing my part!" Meme only for the last guy to erupt into a fountain of blood randomly.

[@pixelty7458]

i think the main problem with Lucius is that he is annoyingly overpowered, like many have pointed out it does not fucking matter what happens to him he just gets resurrected with warp fuckery even if his opponent took no pride in killing him he just gets resurrected by the craftsman who was proud of making the weapon like come on

[@denniselbom2306]

In the novel " Lucius the faultless blade" you hear about his agreement with Fabius Bile regarding the stimulants on Lucius' back, which gives an insight in how far Lucius will go in his search for excess. Maybe it could also be a reason for him chasing death. Maybe he feels something this time when he dies or even trying to push Slanesh give him up as a champion so he may finally feel the embrace of death (or just acutally feel something..anything.

[@greenteae8726]

I’d love a vid on the avatars of Khaine, since the memes turned an aspect of the god of war into the 40k equivalent of the punching bag character. Also it’s kinda hard to gauge their strength, one basically solo’s a world of tyranids after being abandoned by its craft world, whilst another gets choked by Fulgrim despite having no lungs, throat, or bones

[@PanKamyczekGAMER]

Loved both him and Eidolon in HH novels.

[@adrienwatson2179]

Dam first person ive ever heard who likes Eidolon... nice

[@AndreaAndy85]

Eidolon is cool. The supreme asshole. I always hope he become a deamon prince and replace Lucius as 40k special character.

[@Bellephus]

Two of the best characters in 40k.

[@Deadboigmaing96]

The first video of 40k I saw was the ork video you made and it genuinely made me fall in love with the franchise and now while I work or and doing stuff I have 40k videos playing so I can get more lore and some laughs. Love your content

[@rohankishibe6433]

OMG I JUST REALIZED THAT LUCIUS IS BASICALLY JUST THE PLOT OF THAT MOVIE THE SANTA CLAUSE.

[@khylerbane4523]

Holy shit; your right.

[@h0shidont35]

Shut

[@kthlars]

Personally, I liked his character in the first three Heresy books where they compare him and Saul and how they represented different views within the legion and how it changed as the Heresy begun.

[@oldeskul]

Lucius' resurrection is kinda iffy for me. Someone who legitimately took pride in defeating him in 1-v-1 combat being the source of his resurrection is one thing, but a guy who took pride in his job building landmines being the source of his resurrection is a bit out there for me.Mind you, I found it funny that Lucius kinda losing his cool when he found out that his death was caused by something so mundane as stepping on a landmine was hilarious for me. If I had written his lore, then I'd write it as anyone wounded by the Laer blade, as it holds a small portion of his soul and it infects you with a portion of his psychic essence, would be the source of his resurrection. That could lead to things like a combatant he slashed with the blade, or a guardsman who picked up the blade and accidentally cut themselves, or a Slaaneshi cultist taking the blade and using it to stage an attack so they can wound hem, even if only a scratch with the blade. That could lead to so many situations where he has the chance to best an opponent, but instead just gives them a small cut and lets them get away, and slowly over time they're driven by increasingly insane obsessions to be the best at whatever they do and slowly driven to greater and greater acts of excess until they're driven into the worship of Slaanesh and servitude under him as part of his war band or as a cultist.

[@princesilenceteddy3114]

I love how the Text to Speech series make him basically the same as the official but more likeable.

[@Xithar_tri]

"..then the hair begins to fall out.." that is the real mark of the chaos gods 🤣 I like most stories about Lucius, especially the stuff before he became the champion of Slaanesh. What felt wrong for me was the reincarnation in a Necron - I hope I have not to spell out why?

[@samblackstone3400]

I like to imagine Abaddon spends a lot time seeking out the lost technology of hairline restoration as do many other chaos lords

[@drewcross1310]

plugging raid shadow legends is far more annoying than defending Lucius. I enjoyed the video very much.

[@jonathanathor117]

You know when you think about it all the different warp entities mainly the chaos gods and the god emperor aren't really gods but simply cautionary tales to learn from.

[@samuelhilt563]

Good job. A thousand Sons was a great book, I highly recommend it. Azek Ahriman is an awesome character. The book really shows the tragedy, nobility and unbelievable power of the thousand Sons.

[@AK06WRX]

All I heard was Escanor, the Lion Sin of Pride, could finally stack Lucious. “Why should I feel anything but pity for killing someone obviously weaker than me? Oh? You think your whip causes me pain? Who decided that? Your Gods favor makes you stronger than me? Who decided that? Now for Cruel Sun. I shall be the one to decide.”

[@musicguy2015]

Thank you for these videos Wes! I’m just getting started in this hobby, and it’s hard to find lore about the Emperor’s Children

[@anotherperson2627]

For me I think his revive power is just a little too strong. Like it sucks to know that a stoic character fighting him can never beat him if someone that made the sword/gun/bullet thought they did the good job.

[@s.k4713]

It really should be the person who struck the blow that gets cursed and they need to know they killed him. Cuz it leads to weird things like the landline incident, is the factory worker cursed? Is the guy who put the mine down cursed if he felt the smallest hint of pride. It just feels a little too overtuned.

[@ankoured]

I think that another Chaos character who also has kind a bad reputation is Abaddon. Mostly as the "armless" had lost more crusades than he won, and thus is considered a failure.

[@genericscout5408]

The Retcons aren't in his favor either, because it just shows that necrons can destroy the eye of terror with a blink of an eye any time they feel like. Just send another pylon world to the eye, and blam it's gone.

[@yadakakadu]

Armless is because of the miniature, its arm always fell off, "harmless" is a play on that meme, because of the mentioned reasons. And only his second 13th black crusade was successful. Makes you wonder how many 14th -s he will try to finally get it right.

[@primary2630]

Many of the crusades had smaller goals than destroying the Imperium and quite a few were considered victories, just not total victories.

[@yadakakadu]

@@primary2630 That was after the retcon.

[@Batlord_Carcas]

Lucius I actually thought of as a cool character and even has that Freddy Krueger and Micheal Myers vibe of always coming back, as well as the Hellraiser cenobyte feel

[@samuelcondon330]

Man, your videos are awesome, especially enjoy the longer ones that were made for yt instead of TikToK

[@calebhorine1217]

I’ve been watching your videos while on the road for a year or so now and I’m surprised I wasn’t subscribed. You helped me get into 40K and I love the lore. Thank you brother.

[@ianzimmer1990]

Eternally tormented by whispers from those who have defeated him; yet never able to challenge them to a redemptive rematch. Compounded by the fact that his core value is perfection… Wes you sold me on what I considered to be the biggest eye roll of a villain in 40k. I’m impressed. You have a gift. Please do eisenhorn (it even better his retinue). Please. Edit: 16:20 that horn looks like a d*ck

[@georgiykireev9678]

It's still an eye roll villain because of how absurd the plot armour is. Characters like that exist to get killed using a loophole in their power, yet the landmine and kill without pride examples show that the power isn't as specific as they want you to believe, and is more like "fuck you, i win regardless of what happens". Lose the fight, win and have him resurrect while killing you, circumvent the resurrection and have him come back through a deus ex machina asspull anyway... It makes no difference. There are zero stakes in anything he's involved in, because the moment he appears in a situation you know he will win

[@Fifthmiracle]

Not a horn....a Codpiece.

[@disgruntledtoons]

I'd imagine that most of souls trapped in his armor are champions of Khorne. Which probably infuriates Khorne.

[@lukestippo9650]

I think this character is quite interesting and I love the points you brought up about him and how he uses his deaths to his advantage. I think that would make his appearances super interesting as you would never know how he planned to die and come back or what he really wanted to do.

[@vicstanfieldshire7754]

I think we can ALL agree, Lucius’ best duel was when Loken busted his face open in the training cages. Lesson learned he even tells Loken “You won’t get me next time”. Also the internal battle with the spirit inside the Lair Blade was awesome. Pre-mental breakdown I think he got the most hate because he is damn good if not the best, but he learns and never repeats the same mistake. He talks a big talk, but then walks even bigger. Also, the moment he betrays Saul Tarvitz in the Coral City was absolutely thrilling. I think that was the moment his pride got the best of him. He was pissy because he was put planetside to secretly face exterminatus. I thought his trying to negotiate with Arabus was a larger scheme to get his revenge for being thrown away.

[@collinaden2512]

As somone who’s new to this franchise (I discovered this at first 12 years ago on space marines on my ps3😂) I just now really got into it. I really appreciate that you cover even hated stuff. For people like me I feel like I’m learning this universe at a faster rate. Good stuff man!

[@WampaStompas]

I think Fulfrim’s unappeal for me is the lack of failure. If a character can’t fail to achieve what they are after then there are no stakes. Fulgrims goal is to become the best duelist by fighting the best and stealing their skill if they defeat them. So there’s no way to fail for him. Therefore no stakes

[@jamesmacken9501]

He's losing pieces of his soul every time he dies, there's gonna come a point when he runs out.

[@hardbassdoge8750]

I love the champions of chaos it's sad we haven't seen them fight in the lore I would love a Kharn vs Lucius or typhus vs Ahriman

[@nella9115]

Would love to see kharn kill lucius so that khorne can say "no can do" to resurrecting him

[@onyx20815]

Random Space Marine at Seige of Terra: Anyone seen Kharn? Sigusmund: Which Part?

[@nella9115]

@@onyx20815 kharn is a much different beast these days though

[@onyx20815]

@@nella9115 I know, but it was an epic duel

[@Banzai88211]

My issue with Lucius is especially with the land mine story. Because it takes away the story of who kills Lucius to "What kills him". This opens the door of "Is it the person killing Lucius or is it the weapon". I've seen some people write about how it wasn't the guardsman who was cursed, because being a guardsman he was probably already dead, but then if you look at Nykonna Sharrowkyn, the loophole there would be that maybe someone somewhere had created the weapons Nykonna Sharrowkyn used, and he took pride in his work. Then there's the comments about using the Emperor's sword or Anathame blade might be able to kill Lucius for good, but I feel with the writing of 40k we're getting, there'd be another loophole.

[@JJJBunney001]

Dude I've only recently started watching after watching your short forever and you are a God for having chapters in your videos, especially for the... first 2 sections, great for rewatching 😂

[@SamuelEdge93]

A great comeuppence would be Trazyn realising Erebus is responsible for the heresy, pokeball'ing him and setting up a display of him whispering into the ear of a Horus clone - conscious, aware of time and unable to do anything. Just staring into the side of cloned Horus for all eternity

[@Lucasthedeadra]

I love the vids wes

[@jongibbons9028]

Lucius is able to constantly reincarnate within the body of any being that manages to kill him, effectively making him immortal. So long as the killer takes some measure of satisfaction from the victory over Lucius, this will result in the victor's body transforming and their soul becoming trapped in Lucius' suit of power armour. So if a necron killed him he couldn't resurrect as a necron has no feels of satisfaction?????????

[@halomc4529]

No, he was once killed by a necron. He still resurrected.

[@aphophisuralt233]

@@halomc4529 Which is still Bs on how that happened considering it's a necron

[@jongibbons9028]

@@halomc4529 but surely he needs a flesh and blood body to resurrect out of and morph into himself....... how does he resurrect out of a metal body, that's bullsh*t.....

[@jongibbons9028]

@@aphophisuralt233 exactly that's BS....it's a necron a metal body with no feelings, that should be Lucius done with if killed by a necron

[@halomc4529]

@@jongibbons9028 don't ask me, for me it doesn't make sense either

[@jonnytalala2410]

Lucius the Eternal is the main reason my interest in the Emperor's Children is as strong as it is. Dude is freakin' boss.

[@milanbartu8699]

i realy hated lucius up until now cuz most of my knowledge about him was from nemes. thus video made me actualy think of him as an interesting character that deserves more respect

[@cultist1762]

The thing is GW and Black Library never did for Lucius what they did for characters like Ahriman or Kharn or even Typhus.

[@Bellephus]

Lucius is an incredible character.

[@devidevil888]

It's hard to like a character that never loses

[@InquisitorThomas]

I think it’s more than that because pretty much all the major Chaos Characters in 40K have managed to survived the past 10 thousand years, but Lucius is especially hated because he wins through cheating and exploits, and it’s not even in a tactical or clever way that shows off Lucius’ tactical mindset or cleverness. He’s not competent enough to be a badass, but he can simultaneously never be realistically challenged to make him an interesting character. Also he’s not even a particular fun type of Slaaneshi character, he doesn’t have the showmanship of someone like Sigvald the Magnificent from Fantasy.

[@ithoughtheterowasashape]

I think Lucius is an amazing character, and he’s one of my favorite characters for an enemy end game boss or something

[@bluebowser3347]

Can you do a video on the story of the 2 ultra marines that were enslaved to do a task for a demon engine? The story is called "Dead Sky, Black Sun"

[@cleeiii357]

"I’m dreaming of a Pink Slaaneshmas! Just like the ones I wanna know! Where the skull-pikes glisten and children listen, to hear chainswords in the snow."