Why Does Everyone Hate On {Ubuntu/Manjaro/Systemd}?

Have you ever visited a Linux-related chat room, forum or sub-reddit and noticed how much hate certain projects receive? You may have used some of these "hated" projects and liked them, which naturally makes you wonder, "Why all the hate?!" Let's discuss...
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[@oYakate]

As a Ubuntu user I'm still hating Ubuntu. It's a habit.

[@fcolecumberri]

No, that's Stockholm syndrome. /j

[@noam65]

​Nope, it's the opposite of Stockholm Syndrome.

[@fcolecumberri]

@@noam65 If you explain the joke... it's not funny

[@noam65]

@@fcolecumberri I find no humor there. Such is life.

[@fcolecumberri]

@@noam65 You have never heard of tone indicators, have you? /j means it is a joke

[@josemonge4604]

I use Ubuntu, and always think to myself about this: "Who gives a sh!t?"

[@lorduggae]

I think a bunch of the Manjaro hate started when Garuda and Endeavor showed up. People jumped to the new shiny. There's an old saying in advertising "When you want to sell a new product, make the old product look bad." You see it all the time. New detergent comes out and the adverts say "that old detergent is most water and doesn't really get your clothes clean. So buy ours, cause it's new"

[@lorduggae]

@coolthingythethird985 it was SSL's for 6 year old forum posts and the website that lists the available software. Anyone out there really thinking that hackers are gonna choose a 6 year old forum post on a rolling distro to attack and plant malicious code? The "turn clocks back" was meant as humor. Germans are a odd bunch humor wise(I live with one). Every company on the internet has has SSL's expire at some point. Manjaro works for me on my main production rig, keep sit stable enough for work.

[@wasifalam5965]

​@coolthingythethird985what kind of dumb shit? Explain a little.

[@yrjo5050]

who cares about some web page? Their repos has been always excellent and that's all that matters.

[@lorduggae]

@@yrjo5050 exactly.

[@Henry-sv3wv]

>I think a bunch of the Manjaro hate started when Garuda and Endeavor showed up. People jumped to the new shiny cause endeavouros is Arch Linux with GUI installer. Manjaro doesn't use original arch mirrors. Manjaro is the shiny Alien.

[@The1RandomFool]

I don't care if some people hate Manjaro. It suits my needs and adds more useful things on top of Arch. I also like that they hold back updates a little longer for the sake of stability.

[@bobbybologna3029]

your computer is stupid. Glad you enjoy it.

[@MixedVictor]

I don't use Manjaro, but i agree. This might be the only stable arch distro other than Hyperbola (which i don't use because it's libre and all that stuff, and won't even be a linux distribution anymore).

[@anonymous_opinions1924]

As far as I'm concerned as long as it's free (libre) software and it works well for you, you're doing great. If it ever breaks on you though (Manjaro is actually generally less reliable than Arch in spite of the held-back updates), try Debian, Fedora, or learn regular Arch. I've tried every distro that matters and basically those three are unequivocally the best (especially Debian and Arch).

[@somethingcoolgoeshere]

That's all that matters. Aslong as it works for you

[@folksurvival]

@@MixedVictor It's less stable than Arch.

[@tomaintaround]

Yeah popularity really is a factor, but it’s more like a multiplier. All of those software you said do have some valid reasons for being disliked, and THEN the popularity multiplies that. I think popularity being a multiplier here really fits because I think if theoretically some software does nothing wrong, they won’t get *valid* hate, no matter how popular they are, because no matter how big a number is, every number times 0 is still 0.

[@blackpolygon9306]

Saying: "People hate it because it's popular" is a great way to shut out any criticism, fair or otherwise. Which is not a great way to improve.

[@anonymous_opinions1924]

Agreed. Fedora is all the rage these days and I like it pretty well. I don't hate things because they're popular. I dislike Ubuntu and Manjaro because they kinda blow compared to Debian and Arch (or LMDE or MX Linux, if we're talking in terms of beginner-friendly stuff).

[@folksurvival]

Calling something hate/hateful or someone a hater etc is a technique that is used often to shutdown any and all criticism.

[@leopardsbasketball]

Not at all the video I was expecting to get, but gained massive value from this message. Thank you

[@ozerune]

The only thing that I don't like about Ubuntu is the forced snaps. Aside from that I think it's fine.

[@floopybits8037]

Nobody forced snaps, Snaps were present since 2014 they offer secure on server service. They are slow maybe But nobody cares I love Snaps

[@master138]

​@@floopybits8037LMAO. I love snaps aswell. Packagea have pretty clean names unlike flatpaks and friendly with terminal apps. Recent versions have almost the same performance compared to other cross-distro packages.

[@ozerune]

@@floopybits8037 Maybe you misunderstand what I mean? I don't think snaps are bad, I just think flatpaks are better, and above both of those I prefer using the system package manager (apt, pacman, dnf). On Ubuntu, trying to use apt for many popular packages will install the snap instead.

[@tuckersguitarfiasco]

what I don't like about ubuntu is their relationship with microsoft. made me switch to vanilla debian or arch instantly after I found out about that.

[@softwarelivre2389]

​@@floopybits8037the Snap Store backend is proprietary.

[@ringo8410]

No one hates Linux more than Linux users, it seems. Lately Mint is the favorite whipping boy for a lot of the community for reasons I don't quite get.

[@fredmckinney8933]

Mint made a good call to ban snaps. But Mint would do even better to drop the Ubuntu base altogether and just base themselves on pure Debian. Mint I would recommend -- but Ubuntu is something that, anymore, I refuse to touch with a 10-foot pole.

[@matthewmoore757]

Well, ubuntu gets hate, because they keep doing things to piss off their user base. Manjaro gets hate because the devs quite often do some really dumb shit. Not all the hate these distros get, is undeserved. They've earned their hate for the most part.

[@Playboipete]

such a negative way of thinking. especially for a something thats free and not owned by the users. but i understand this mentality is the norm

[@HarukaJad3]

@@Playboipetejust because something is free doesn’t mean it’s free from feedback, commentary and/or criticism

[@Playboipete]

@@HarukaJad3 personally i put hating and constructive feedback in 2 different categories. same with criticizing because of entitlement and criticizing in trying to help. i have a feeling most ppl that are loud with their displeasure are in the.... hater category. but its just the way i see it in a general sense, i dont have depth knowledge of any specific distro communities

[@matthewmoore757]

@@Playboipete i maintain my own distro based off debian. And I used to be a Manjaro Contributor. My opinions are based on my own personal experience dealing directly with the developers of each of those projects. Most recently they announced CUPS is going to be a snap package. The main guy who maintains CUPS for all of Linux is a canonical employee. You think that isn't going to have a profound ripple effect across the entire Linux space? There little experiment with MIR several years back is why Wayland development stalled for an additional 8 years. It just goes on and on. Ubuntu deserves the criticism. Manajro does as well. They can't even properly maintain certificate renewals properly. They've cocked thst up 3 times now. They've also published software to the AUR that visited the guidelines and even caused the aur to be ddosed due to faulty code. It displayed gross incompetence on their part. They just keep doing this stuff. As a former contributor to the project, I found some bugs, I told one of their developers about those bugs, and his response was to call me names and ban me from the forum. I made what he did public and he ultimately was outed by the greater community. So that issue sorted itself out. But they have a history if treating both their users and contributors this way. So a screw em'

[@Playboipete]

ppl are haters pain and simple. and are attracted to it as well. i mean even respecting or admiring something/someone is looked down upon in the internet while criticizing or being negative or controversy is rewarded. unfortunate but who am i to say

[@Skelterbane69]

My take, that nobody will care about, but I'll say it anyway: *ubuntu = don't like the company behind it *manjaro = don't like the way it's stupidly developed/handled *systemD = the fact that it's unavoidable and all its parts depend on one another, for no reason. Also its creator had an ass attitude.

[@bobbybologna3029]

Pretty common take, lets just ignore them and pretend there's no merit to them whatsoever!

[@dkosmari]

Did Poettering stop being an ass? Did he die?

[@_sneer_]

My story: I've been a BSD/Linux user for over two decades. Used Fedora on my workstation/gaming PC for last couple of years, RHEL and Ubuntu server on my servers. Since RHEL drama I migrated my servers to Slackware, deleted RHEL and swapped Fedora for Cinnamon Mint. I am not a fan of systemd, because I think it is too bloated and slow for lower end or older hardware (that's why I use Devuan on my laptop). Ubuntu is a great distro, but I cannot trust it with all the telemetry and stuff going on. Manjaro broke upon first system update after installation. No hate, simple use cases.

[@Skelterbane69]

This.

[@daveleitz9107]

"Manjaro broke upon first system update after installation." ... That was my experience a few years ago, and I haven't even bothered to try it again since then.

[@_sneer_]

@@daveleitz9107 I tried it during RHEL drama, when I was looking for a replacement for Fedora. openSUSE Leap was stable, but heavy and I picked Mint because it provided 14fps avg more than any other distro.

[@lancemanipis3879]

Ubuntu doesn't have elementary since they disabled that when they went back to gnome.

[@_sneer_]

@@lancemanipis3879 you mean telemetry? Once they introduced it they lost my trust. I like using Ubuntu, but cannot trust them. I dropped Fedora since I've heard that they want to introduce telemetry as well. When they start thinking like Microsoft it is time to leave them behind for me.

[@noferblatz]

I would take exception on systemd. There are a number of technical reasons that systemd deserves criticism. I couldn't care less whether it's popular or not. It has some down sides. I still use it, but I wish I didn't have to.

[@vikingthedude]

Could mention some of the flaws in systemd? I just started tinkering with linux and I’m very eager to know

[@bedwar12494]

@@vikingthedude a lot of people don't like systemd mainly because it doesn't follow the unix philosophy. the unix philosophy is that a piece of software should do one thing and really well. systemd doesn't do that because it offers: 1. init system (duh) 2. bootloader (systemd-boot) 3. logind 4. journald 5. libudev 6. localed 7. homed 8. networkd 9. resolved so systemd really isn't an init system, rather a suite of software (including an init system) other init systems are much more minimal than systemd like: runit openrc s6 dinit if you use arch and wanna get rid of systemd after hearing this, artix is probably a good distro if you use debian and wanna get rid of systemd, devuan is good if you don't care, just use whatever

[@user-oe4id9eu4v]

@@vikingthedudeThis really is technical issues, so you wouldn't understand how impactful they are or notice in daily usage unless you understand how init systems work. Also, it can be viewed as preference: more minimalistic stance or "more feature is always better" stance. That being said, it basically tries to integrate everything, device management, authentication, login management, logging, etc. Some even depends on 3rd party libraries to operate. And it actually is tied too much that most aren't really modular enough, leading incompatibilities with other init systems, bigger codebase, and slower boot time.

[@serge5046]

@@vikingthedude Here is a site for you: nosystemd.org/

[@dkosmari]

@@vikingthedude Problems setting up environment variables. Ever used "~/.config/environmentd"? That's where you're supposed to have your user environment vars. Also, it might be completely ignored, so you still set them up in .bashrc. Also, systemd-inhibit doesn't work at all on many distros, and the distro maintainers can't even figure out why. Overall systemd is a good idea for solving a decades-old problem that only had been tackled by ugly patchwork of bash scripts. The problem is that Poettering constantly changes his designs decisions, and things never get fully implemented or tested. Worst of all, Poettering is an immature prick with anger management issues; he doesn't accept criticism, never admits he's wrong, and goes ahead locking down bug reports and banning people who complain about his various messes.

[@m.m3633]

When you get popular, your mistakes will also get exposed much more and become untolerable because the expectations has also raised.

[@Ferran-Gnu-Linux]

In the old days when we had a problem with our linux distribution we spent a lot of hours and days looking for help, learning and solving our problems. Nowadays I don't see that same attitude and at the slightest problem we change of distribution and spread hatred against the previous one generating hate.

[@bobbybologna3029]

Translation: "I used Manjaro and unsurprisingly it was a shit experience"

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

Yes, absolutely. There are a lot of newbies willing to put in time and effort into learning Linux properly and the community is more than happy to help them. But there's also a lot of "poseurs" who just want to look "l33t" in front of their peers and on social media by crowing about how they use Linux. These are a lot of the distro hoppers. For the record, I distro hopped for 6 years between 1997 and 2003 and my solution was to simply learn to build Linux as I want to on whatever systems I am building it on - Gentoo Linux lets me do that, and I've used that ever since.

[@emulationnation]

As a relatively new Linux user(less than a year), I really appreciate distros that appeal to newer users. If it wasn't for ubuntu, I and many other people wouldn't be able to get into Linux.

[@HikingFeral]

I think Ubuntu and Mint are fantastic, I'm using Arch based stuff right now but they can both be just as powerful as vanilla Arch. They just so happen to be far easier to get into. It's not cool to have a bad installation so I really don't know where some Arch users get off tbh and I am one.

[@hamblok0]

First time I tried to get into Linux I used Ubuntu at the recommendation of my boss at the time. I didn't have bleeding edge hardware but apparently the latest kernel at the time (this was in 2016) still didn't really support a lot of the hardware I needed to do on my machine. I ended up using Manjaro and it pretty much just worked out of the box with little hassle, which is where I cut my teeth on Linux. And then I switched to vanilla Arch when I knew better and started having serious issues with Manjaro, not to mention questionable practices on Manjaro's end either. So that's why I hate those, but if it works for you more power to you.

[@jesse7631]

I think it's funny that people rail about Ubuntu trying to 'shove Snap packages down our throats', when the distribution has only a couple Snap packages installed by default on its distribution. Like all the people freaking out that Firefox was a Snap by default on Ubuntu, then we find out that Mozilla wanted it that way. It wasn't some nefarious decision made by the Canonical overlords, it was a design decision made by Mozilla, and Ubuntu agreed to it.

[@theONEjustin]

the irony of this video in the face of every single "Windows Bad" video that every linux content creator puts out lmao

[@tylerdean980]

Linux users don't hate windows because it's popular, they hate it because it's not free software. I could see the argument that we hate its popularity because it limits the software written for other operating systems, but that's not where the hate starts, that's where it leads

[@doctahjonez]

Windows is pretty bad lol the only good thing it has is software support.

[@bobbyfried7478]

still loving your content..keep up the wonderful work.

[@fre8260]

Keep up your good work! DT is spot on and I agree completely

[@BWGPEI]

Could be a sign of our times. As an older user, I don't hate the alternate distributions that I try and then don't use. Nor do I hate the daily drivers I built and loaded - quite the opposite.

[@KyzerSusie]

Used Ubuntu for about 10 years until I got disgusted with the stupid things they implemented and the direction they were heading. I wouldn't use Ubuntu now for that very logical, factual, honest reason. Nothing hateful about it, and it has nothing to do with their popularity.

[@assaidy]

Could you make a video about lsp support in emacs?

[@Jeff_Seely]

The only time that type of vitriol is going to bother me is when it does affect the success of people and products that I want to see do well. Good topic DT!

[@mauricetroisville646]

Hey, thanks for your work, i really like your content. Your points might be absolutely valid as long as the famous person who is criticized doesnt actually do a lot of bad and wrong things.

[@dkosmari]

I hate systemd whenever I encounter something it's supposed to work, but it doesn't. When you dig through things, you find a lot of it is incomplete or broken. Environment variables, suspension inhibiting, permissions issues, etc. Snaps, flatpaks and alike, I hate them because I don't want a mixture of binaries, a parallel OS installed on my OS, wasting RAM and disk space. Sometimes the hatred is justified.

[@matthewstott3493]

Yes, popular things draw the most attention. There are also tribal psychological tendencies which drive groups into US vs THEM. In addition to being driven toward group conformity. You see this everywhere in human societies. It's built-in to our DNA and it's evolved over hundreds of thousands of years and played heavily into the survival of the species. Mankind is not an apex predator as individuals but when we come together as a group we become formidable. It explains the emergence of flamewars, politics, etc. Human nature doesn't change despite technological advancement. Nothing ever truly changes under the sun.

[@OctaviusPelagius]

I love how you make complicated topics sound so easy and down to earth. Would you be willing to talks about the GNU Parallel command? Perhaps some use cases that would replace xargs for a more concurrent and better way of taking advantage of those CPU cores?

[@Tuishimi]

By the way, I just wanted to say that I a) appreciate you and b) appreciate your common sense.

[@RockawayCCW]

I think it's a snob thing. People who loved Metallica in the 80s, and rooted for them to get radio play, turned against them when they finally did get radio play. Ubuntu got the same treatment.

[@folksurvival]

It's more about the changes that were made to obtain those things that people didn't like.

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

No, I turned off Metallicock because they are boring and they often sound like four "musicians" racing to see who can get to the end of each song first. "Master of Puppets" sounds like it was recorded in a metal dustbin. A grossly overrated band of egotistical twats.

[@Tuishimi]

Oh, and Larry Bird is the greatest basketball player ever. :D

[@MarioinRmd]

He may be. Players today are wimps. The game itself is much more soft. A lot of guys would cry if they had to go up against someone like Charles Oakley, for example.

[@loganki5zyw]

I disagree. I think because they are popular, There will always be a percentage of people that hate and with more popular things there will be more haters but maybe the same percentage

[@jcdenton7914]

As someone in the IT realm I'm inclined to use only SystemD distros because the server distros use it. But I'm not using Ubuntu or Fedora due to Snap and RHEL vs open source

[@fredmckinney8933]

I remember the hatred for SystemD when it first came out. Even so, I was willing to give distros that use it a chance. And now, I absolutely cannot understand why SystemD gained so much hatred. I for one have never had a problem with it.

[@anasouardini]

I don't hate those anymore, I dedicated all of it to Wayland LOL.

[@Winnetou17]

LoL

[@ctrl_alt_del4038]

In regards to Manjaro, aside from the expired SSL certs...a few times, there's nothing wrong with Manjaro, providing you stay out of the AUR. It's ok to download a browser or something from the AUR, just don't go ham. Less is more.

[@dermond]

I believe that Manjaro is meant to use with their repos, with Flatpaks/Snaps(if you want)/ Appimage with minimal AUR use, that's why is gray out by default. At least that's how I use it.

[@sourcerer_]

It's true everywhere, when you are not popular - you mostly encounter small number of people that are nice and enthusiastic. When you start hitting numbers, more people = big variety of these people... and more problems.

[@PinakiGupta82Appu]

Well said. If you move to Arch from Mint within an hour, they'll follow you there to hare on you for using Arch.

[@sulinity]

hating on Manjaro is something silly, it is the best entry level distro for new Linux users, because in the end almost all Manjaro users end up installing Arch Linux, and that's the whole point....and that's better than recommending Ubuntu, because they will also end up installing Arch, so if newbies begin with Manjaro they will suffer a lot less on their Linux path...IMO Ubuntu and Debian, are more directed towards industry, work, servers etc... the desktop option is definitely Arch Linux. PD/ A lot of the hate for many things in this world begin when something good (or someone...) changes its essence for the sake of money or fame, so the hate is justified and deserved.

[@Wampa842]

In short: locking the entire Linux/BSD/whatever ecosystem into a situation where a single commercial business entity (emphasis on commercial) has disproportionately high influence makes the ecosystem and its users unwillingly subservient to the business entity's interests. We've seen it with IBM/Red Hat, we've seen it with Microsoft, we've seen it with Google, and even Canonical when they decided to enforce shipping official flavours without Flatpak to artificially boost Snap's adoption.

[@fubaralakbar6800]

"A popular man arouses the jealousy of the powerful." --Frank Herbert

[@truthislam6481]

Yeah DT. This sounds accurate.

[@Tuishimi]

That's how I got through English Lit in College (and high school)... I always picked the devil's advocate pov. :D

[@MrJakeTucker]

When you're young you're learning about yourself and the world a lot. The learning never really stops but as you get older you've worked yourself out. Going back to when you are young, this is why hate comments come more from young people. They invest more in something, to learn about it, as they are at the learning age. If at the end of this learning they find out that they don't like whatever they were learning about then they are more prone to lashing out and saying something like they hate it, maybe because e.g. they've wasted time with it. When you get to my age, 56, you know yourself. Which is why I've used Debian for over 25 years. It does exactly what I need it to. I don't get to the point of wanting to hate something as i only use what I know and like. Besides, I stick to the saying If you have nothing nice/constructive to say then keep your mouth shut anyway.

[@scottseymour8855]

a good number of points :)

[@NekoiNemo]

The problem with "don't listen to the haters" is that it's a slippery slope and very soon anyone who DARES to critique you become a "hater", and you become arrogant and deaf to criticism, until it's too late. Just look at the LTT

[@NomenNescio99]

I have a Tux tattooed on my left leg, so I think it is fair to say that I am a Linux enthusiast. Systemd has got me thinking of having my tattoo removed. It has been obvious to for a long while that Lennart is trying to turn Linux into windows, the fact that he got hired by Microsoft only confirmed the fact. Does this make me a systemd hater? I really don't like systemd.

[@PenguinRevolution]

Systemd is the best!

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

​@@PenguinRevolution The best at what?

[@ratfuk9340]

I don't necessarily disagree with the conclusion but I feel like you overstated the "fun" of it all and made it feel like pure vanity but that's a bit reductive. Vanity plays a role but often popular things are the most important things. Like if you take the whole FOSS thing really seriously and you want to build future infrastructure on those principles then obviously you're going to be critical of the mainstream when you disagree with their direction. You focus proportianally to the social, economic and technical importance of the project (and as how much you agree with their direction). Ubuntu is the "face of linux" and many people feel that it shouldn't be for different reasons. I mean I might be wrong but your take is pretty cynical lol.

[@livingcodex9878]

Interesting take

[@tiktok.4527]

I did not hate ubuntu, i hate arch linux😠

[@standtallvets5386]

No reason to hate any Linux distros. Almost all of them have had different quirks for years. The more that gets added to them the worse its going to be for lots of people. Myself I have always had Linux Puppy since it first came out, while trying other Linux distros as well. Barry Kauler was a GENIUS making that one years ago. Fossapup is rock solid. Have used it since it came out, on both flash drives and hard drives with no glitches or problems at all. Even lost an older hard drive from bad sectors. Just put it on a new drive, copied the save file to it and it fired right up ready to go with no time consuming setup to do at all.

[@lamar9525]

TRUTH!

[@thanasiskormas]

Try to install and live for 6 months on a non arch or systemd distro and make this video again to see if you feel the same.

[@n5ifi]

I love Ubuntu. It works and doesn't do anything without asking first. It's my computer. I could care less if people are looking down their nose at me. I've been running it for years without many problems I didn't make myself.

[@JSEvans-or5xe]

You know, I was an Ubuntu lover, tuned hater, turned agnostic (today). I think I started hating it when I make openSUSE my daily driver but darn near every tutorial and piece of software was packaged for Ubuntu and that's it. That really ticked me off. Now that openSUSE is no longer my daily driver (for other reasons). I find myself wafting back and forth between Ubuntu Mate or Mint and misc Arch flavors and I don't really care anymore. Personally, I think it's time for the great distro shrinkage where we have a single distro that can do everything and is not tied to a corporate overlord.

[@MichaelWilliams-lr4mb]

When it comes to Manjaro, I just wish they'd do a better job with quality control.

[@anonymous_opinions1924]

Yeah. To be fair, it's almost impossible - I just don't think there's such thing as a truly beginner-friendly Arch-based distribution. Upstream Arch quality control is just good enough that experienced users can have a pretty reliable system, which is very impressive considering just how bleeding edge it is. I think it's practically impossible to go from that to something that's usable with almost no experience, which is what Manjaro is trying to do. That said, the Manjaro devs are also notoriously irresponsible (letting their SSL certificates expire multiple times, etc).

[@EugeniusNaumenco]

I love Ubuntu, I use it on my shitty laptop that I bought back in the day when I didn't know what Windows is (it was 2 years ago), I tried a lot of operating systems on it but nothing works better than Ubuntu on it somehow (prolly except for Chrome OS flex)

[@dittikke]

Ah yes, that's the good old "not like the other girls" mentality.

[@MyReviews_karkan]

Nah, man. You're making no sense. People don't just hate something because it's popular. Lol. That's just silly and a highschool mindset. People give absolutely legitimate reasons for their hate/dislike of Ubuntu, systemd and such. Do I agree with them all? Absolutely not, do I think people have legitimate reasons? Of course. It's just a matter of how much those reasons matter to some people than others.

[@Winnetou17]

Yes and no. The idea is that if it isn't popular, the legitimate reasons are only mild annoyances. You can usually get around by easily (like using something else). But when it gets popular, you kind of feel surrounded by it. It's no longer so easy to circumvent it. It's also easier to get annoyed that something bad is no longer just something in a corner, but it's spreading like a plague. So the popularity part makes you from simply not liking it to hate it. With a passion. DIE SYSTEMD!

[@averagemamil4523]

Hmmm - perhaps look at Tall Poppy Syndrome

[@doctahjonez]

This logic would be fine if so many people didn't in fact, have a high school mindset. You'd be surprised.

[@theperfectionist1607]

Manjaro is overhated

[@huljaxful]

Humans are really funny animal species.

[@Technopath47]

Personally, I just prefer flatpak over snaps and I'm not a fan of how Ubuntu likes to redirect you into a snap even if you type apt as the main reason I'm on Linux is to have control over my system and over my data so I avoid Ubuntu. BUT, I'm not opposed entirely to the OS. I'd be perfectly fine if I had to run off Ubuntu entirely and I'd like install either Ubuntu or Linux Mint for a user who doesn't know much about tech (and I also use Linux Mint for my laptop because frankly it just works for my use case).

[@CollectedG]

I started my journey on Linux with Ubuntu. It used to be a good distro don't get me wrong, but ever since Canonical started breaking bread with Microsoft and put more of a focus on telemetry it's become hypocritical to use. If you're a stray dog why would you support PETA?

[@danduby8416]

Even though it's been number 1 on DistroWatch for a few years, I still hate MX Linux, and I will never use it. If for no other reason, I just think it sucks. Always seemed like a kiddie distro to me.

[@1290Zack]

People do hate on things just because they're popular sometimes, but it's definitely not the case for Ubuntu. Ubuntu, GNOME and anything related are bad for the same reason Windows is bad today. Bloat and forced usage of stupid software. There is no world where forced snaps are ok in the same way there is no world where forced Windows telemetry is ok. GNOME as a DE is lacking in even the most basic configuration ability for the user, and it comes with a suite of poorly optimized bloated bullshit no one asked for. Not everyone is a power user, and not everyone will build their own artix system from scratch, but there are just too many better options for a distro for any user to even give Ubuntu a glance. How it ever became the "default" distribution will always baffle me.

[@PenguinRevolution]

Snaps are never forced

[@RobertHalvarsson]

Good take. It's a little like subcultural musical expressions. Even in a fringe community, there's always reasons to despise the more successful artists in that small cultural expression. Especially if they reach new audiences. The key is growth, and reaching more new users while keeping the core values somewhat intact.

[@fredmckinney8933]

Former Ubuntu user here. Anymore, it's like Ubuntu has lost their way between their relationship with Microsoft and the snaps. In response, I went with pure Debian (stable) several years ago.

[@martinze11]

In other words: You don't have to hate to live a life i use mint-mate but I also have many virtual machines.

[@Stilllife1999]

Aaah. So systemd is LeBron James

[@bigshel99]

yes

[@birdstrikes]

Sort of...

[@patpopov]

Ubuntu's great (once you've stripped out all the Ubuntu stuff)!

[@JAUSCR]

What about Arch + Hyprland, is Loved or hated?

[@an2qzavok]

I hate Ubuntu because I used to love Ubuntu.

[@biutifo1201]

no longer hate ubuntu systemd as amdgpu becomes the next big thing

[@Rotceev]

Hey DT! HDT! Hate-Destroy-Tube!

[@birdstrikes]

Ubuntu was it back in 2003 when Gentoo was whoopin my ass

[@kevinmahernz]

Sounds like Tall Poppy syndrome to me

[@bigmikeobama5314]

the reason some things get so much hate is not because they are popular. you are discounting and ignoring legit complaints and problems people have with certain things. saying its only because they are popular is just gaslighting and nonsense

[@mondofps]

I'll be honest. I love your content, but I do not like this take at all. This is not a good way to go about any discussion. There are very legitimate criticisms of these different pieces of popular software, by your own admission. Handwaving all of it away by assuming other people's intentions rather than engaging with their arguments, then labeling them and moving on is a disingenuous thing to do.

[@MerkDolf]

😄 👍👌!

[@crankmosh]

wrong, systemd is not popular, it's justified hate

[@-Engineering01-]

"btw" Arch geeks are waited.

[@josephlandry8787]

Systemd is hated bed cause it was forced onto so many users.

[@TheGodzilla2201]

I don't pay attention to the hate that Ubuntu gets. I don't really care about that. I like Ubuntu because it's easy to understand and easy to install. Sure Ubuntu could use some more customization options. I'm using Ubuntu now because it's easy for me. I'm not that smart for Arch. I don't like like Linux Mint because it feels outdated and it's icons are small if you make them any bigger it becomes a mess. Mint also doesn't have good customization as well. Mint needs to create a modern version of there distro. If Mint updated there distro to look more modern more people would stay with Mint.

[@MajinHico]

This message is a bit misleading. In software there can be very bad dependencies that we are forced to use. The hate in this case is legit.

[@Henry-sv3wv]

Microsoft Windows 11 is popular, that's why there is so much hate.

[@ordinarryalien]

Sorry, Derek. I just disliked your video. I had to. Because you are popular.

[@dreamer8973]

if ya dont like a distro dont use it...or make it how you like it..or make another distro how you like it...thats why there are so many distros out there. no need to hate on choice. and kinda half the fun of linux ;)

[@operius2385]

"That's unfortunate, but once you know that's the way the world works" Isn't the world what we make it? Don't accept things just because they're there. Don't be a sheep and make up your own mind.

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

I have had Gentoo now for 20 years, I have no reason to hate Ubuntu or any software that others choose to use. Just because I treat other distros with a degree of apathy does not mean that I don't hope other Linux are made as happy by Ubuntu, Arch, Fedora, etc. as I am by Gentoo. There's plenty of room for all of us to be happy with what we prefer to use.

[@folksurvival]

"I have had Gentoo now for 20 years" Yes we know. You tell everyone on numerous comments of almost every Linux video on almost every Linux related KZbin channel.

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@folksurvival Good, you're clearly paying attention then. With that said, I don't have to construct comments that meet the "editorial standards" of self-entitled people who think they have the right to tell others what they should and should not write on a public messaging forum. If you don't like what I write then don't read it, that's what a grown up does. I suspect you are simply jealous of what you perceive is my Linux expertise anyway and that is your issue to resolve. We're done here, have a good rest of your day.

[@killistan]

​@@folksurvival I don't really understand the antagonism towards "I use Arch BTW." If you can't say you like the things you like, and you can't say you don't like the things you don't... what's left? Can you still express apathy towards things you find uninteresting?

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@killistan You saying "I use Arch BTW" is a not a problem to me, use a Linux works for you. But I personally refuse to use or acknowledge memes because nothing says "I am a part of the hive mind that can't think for myself" better than constantly parroting something "funny" (and that's often debatable) that someone else once said. To me, meme culture is a far bigger problem than simply telling others what you do and don't like. If anything, saying what you do and don't like can make you stand out as an individual as opposed to "just one of the crowd" endlessly throwing memes at each other.

[@folksurvival]

@@terrydaktyllus1320 At no point did I tell you, or others, what they can or can't write on any public messaging forum. Also I didn't say anything about liking or disliking anything you write. The paranoid suspicion that I am "jealous" of your self-proclaimed Linux expertise is absurd and comical and also suggests delusion and narcissism on your part (as does the whole "we're done here" shtick). You certainly don't have reading comprehension skills to be jealous of either as shown in the previous paragraph about your failure to understand what was written in my comment.

[@helloimatapir]

Manjaro deserves the hate. They're a meme distro who doesn't take responsibility for their constant screwups. Nobody should be using it.

[@anonymous_opinions1924]

Agreed. It's just not for serious people trying to actually get work done (even though it's marketed as such). It's only good for tinkerers - not only tinkerers but lazy tinkerers that don't want to learn Arch, which is much more flexible and reliable with very few screwups. Most people should be using Debian or Linux Mint if they want a computer that just does what they need it to do, or Arch or Fedora if they like playing with new stuff (with the side benefit of their computer generally doing what they need it to do, depending on their skill level).

[@MarioinRmd]

I don't believe it's as simple as 'XYZ is popular, so I must hate it for that reason alone.. I legitimately don't like Ubuntu. If I wanted forced updates and being nagged, I would have stuck with Windoze.. and Gnome is crap, IMO. Also, a lot of the times the word 'hater' is thrown around as as convenient way to deflect legitimate criticism. The Kardashians.. At one point the most popular 'celebrities' on the planet. I cannot stand them for a multitude of reasons. Am I being a 'hater?'

[@xperience-evolution]

Ubuntu is great

[@somethingcoolgoeshere]

Seems like a attention thing

[@louaguado995]

My only question is, why do you point your microphone at your chest instead of your mouth? You have a pop filter so there's no reason to point it away. 🤷‍♂️😏

[@vladlu6362]

People love to hate manjaro because it's buggy, breaks all the time, and has done some very dubious decisions.

[@bobbybologna3029]

All with the intention of being MORE stable than Arch. The memes simply write themselves.

[@wasifalam5965]

Using manjaro for last 4 years. Not a single time it broke. If you use recklessly any distro will break.

[@vladlu6362]

@@wasifalam5965 My reckless use was customizing KDE with it's own widget system and rebooting 💀. I now use gentoo + hyprland, much more stable, much more control, and much better performance as well.

[@theperfectionist1607]

Did not happen to me

[@AJPF44]

It's kind of funny to say that Ubuntu/Mint/systemd are popular, considering that we are only 3% of the market share. But yeah, in the context of GNU/Linux, they are. That's is a great way to think. All of these are great softwares, I agree 100%.

[@DxBlack]

...3% of the marketshare across desktops, not across linux. 😒

[@AJPF44]

@@DxBlack that's right

[@johanb.7869]

Le Bron is not the greatest ever, because how many titles?😉 I don't hate Ubuntu, I just don't like it.

[@natekmbowie]

"A lot of people really love Manjaro, so naturally the haters have to come in" I hope this doesn't come across too aggressive, but I really disagree with this take (quote and above video). Manjaro was definitely a bad choice to try to prove the "hate against popular things" point, there have been a lot of issues (installing paid proprietary software by default, holding repo packages but not AUR packages, mismanagement, + many more). In fact some of the issues (e.g. not renewing ssl certs, and telling people to set back their clocks as a fix) reached near meme/parody status. Similar deal with Ubuntu, and to a lesser extent, SystemD as well. Now, I don't hate Manjaro, nor do I talk bad about it online (minus the above). If it works best for somebody, then that's great. And yeah, I don't doubt that some (albeit probably a minority) hate on things because they're attention seeking or have nothing better to do. But to just dismiss all critiques as "haters who hate things that are popular" seems flawed and prevents growth and improvement to said projects.