Why Does Ian Not Like the SNES?

[@Hassus]

Put shortly: the SNES lacks blast processing.

[@thisiswhatshesaid]

C'mon man this is the Internet and time is money, put TLDR next time so I don't waste all that time reading "Put shortly" I mean fuck

[@Hassus]

TLDR ur comment.....

[@TheRetroMess]

"Blast Processing"... Apple can only dream of having that level of RDF strength.

[@NoProHarrie]

Your comment is so blast

[@SuperBairman]

ass processing

[@BoxCoverArt]

"Contra 3 was alright" - a statement punishable by death in most countries.

[@emailchrismoll]

*all countries

[@stucazzo2000]

Sometimes I wish we could enforce Sharia law! ;)

[@xMasterSparku]

Yeah Contra 3 is decent at best, Hard Corps is where it's at.

[@mountaindewslave]

Contra III is a bit short but its insanely solid

[@mountaindewslave]

Hard Corps is unique but its soooo hard :/

[@SNESdrunk]

"Everyone has a best friend growing up named Kevin, who's a dick" So accurate

[@johnnyace2287]

Ian got tyrannosaurus rex arms getting tired of holding the controller.

[@RuralGamer91]

Not liking the DKC series is something I've never heard of. I'm sure you have your reasons Ian. Just surprising to hear.

[@s7121n9s]

Miyamoto said he doesn't like the DKC series. so its not that unheard of

[@KaseboyAdvance]

+Poketto You get my +1, sir. I would give it to you, but I'm on mobile.

[@creato938]

The DKC series always felt bad when i played it, the game is kinda slow and i don't think the pre rendered SGI graphics looked that impressive even back in the day, they are kinda blurry, i prefer the look of Mario games more, like hand draw, ages so much better.

[@brandonthetoyandgamecollector]

DKC i don't think is a bad game, i just suck at it so i don't like the game as much

[@Sh0tgunJust1ce]

“Donkey Kong Country proves that players will put up with mediocre gameplay as long as the art is good.” - Shigeru Miyamoto Pretty much my sentiments exactly on it.

[@drz2014]

I feel like hating on the SNES is something a hipster would do. "The SNES lacks the experimental feeling and complexity that SEGA offers." yep, definitely a hipster.

[@Roughman123]

Ian doesn't like popular things. He's a hipster.

[@rightrightrideride228]

+Roughman123 Then he should wanna sleep with the Atari Jaguar.

[@MoarRushPl0x]

Well said. The only time I see people use the term hipster is to call someone out who disagrees with mainstream thought. The term hipster is just being thrown around to discourage people from having their own thoughts and ideas on a subject.

[@cj694x2]

+drz2014 I totally agree, dude. Forming your own opinion is so fucking lame. It's way better to like what everyone else likes just... because. I remember when I thought I liked a game called Ranger-X, until I realized that none of my friends had ever heard of it, so I threw that shit in the garbage and started playing Mortal Kombat.

[@smoothSnake23]

drz2014 Yup. He's the epitome of a hipster

[@stui8Bit231vamp734]

The Genesis v SNES war never ends.

[@jus4000kicks]

Rather the talk about peoples preferences never ends. Hes not saying he hates the snes or that its a bad system. He just prefers the genesis.

[@Designlov3n]

Genesis does what Nintendon't!

[@jus4000kicks]

+Ramjet164 it all depends on what games you prefer. The SNES got alot of great and unique JRPGs, platformers, beat em ups, the first console survival horror game, starfox, doom, wolfenstein 3d. The genesis got more shooters and racing games.

[@leonreaper90]

Many have died in that war, show some respect. Lol

[@stui8Bit231vamp734]

cause of death: blast processing

[@kingtom]

I agree, I think the Genesis is a lot more interesting than the SNES, but I have always preferred arcade-style games to things like RPGs.

[@kevinwolff8539]

I feel this way about the N64.

[@MajinCCBThePrince]

Well, the N64 wasn't THAT great either...... SNES at least by stats was extremely superior as well as having a giant catalogue of games (N64 did great experimentation with terrible execution and an extremely small ammount of games)

[@TheJoejoez]

I don't like the N64 at all... 3d explorathons are super boring. Plus it lost capcom/konami/etc.

[@BJCHESTER]

IMO Every good game on NES was perfected on SNES. Add on top of that the high amount of crap quality game NES vs. SNES and it's no contest to me.

[@BJCHESTER]

Well, those were third party titles.

[@pc5440]

megaman was better on nes

[@gameboypunk660]

+Pat C Sooooooooo.... you never played Meaghan X!!?!???? STFU and play that game immediately!!!

[@ThetaReactor]

4 plays nothing like the first three. Sure, it's a similar concept, but the balance and level design are very different. It's big and bombastic, but not as polished as the NES games. It was an experiment, much like the second one. The player is over-powered, and doesn't match the level design as well as the first and third games. With a couple more sequels to fine-tune it, I think Super Castlevania could have been as good or better than the original trilogy, but instead of iterating on it they went back to the original formula for Rondo and then on to the Metroidvania style, which has more in common with Simon's Quest.

[@13Gangland]

XxRelmxX ..Dumbass, Mario All Stars for the Snes is everything you need.

[@TheSaskOtaku]

"Everyone has a friend Kevin growing up that was a dick." Accuracy of that statement is profound

[@beatzguy]

"No I don't like the Donkey Kong games." Done.

[@AntiChris]

The DK games are weak.

[@cj694x2]

“Donkey Kong Country proves that players will put up with mediocre gameplay as long as the art is good.” - Shigeru Miyamoto

[@beatzguy]

***** The gameplay is good though.

[@cj694x2]

Yeah I like DKC too, but clearly not everybody in the world does.

[@AntiChris]

I seriously could not get into them. I've tried countless times. Hell, I STILL try.

[@MrJumpman49]

What?? He loves his Wii u but doesn't like the SNES?....

[@creato938]

I feel like Nintendo now a days makes better consoles than before, pretty much all first party games are spot on (except StarFox Zero and Metroid Prime Federation forces), they just lack sales numbers and third party support.

[@melvinpunymeyer8104]

The Wii is actually a pretty great console. It brought the virtual console to us, which ended up having a ton of games, and it is backwards compatible with all GCN games. The first party releases are superb as well. Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 are incredible games. It was also the first Nintendo console to have any kind of worthwhile online play. The GCN failed in that regard. People who hate on the Wii because of the motion controls are ignorant.

[@tonycd5304]

+Melvin Punymeyer truth right there

[@Roughman123]

MrJumpman49 Ian's just a hipster , hipsters don't like the snes or anything mainstream.

[@Thebossstage1]

It's because the SNES is too mainstream and nobody bought a WII u so it's automatically better.

[@thetg2117]

Ian feels the same about the snes as i feel about the genesis. To each their own, but the snes is my personal favarite of all time.

[@realRaven575]

Just pointing out something funny. @ 2:34 Pat says "Emulators Boo" and this segment is financially supported by LaunchBox...and emulator Front End. LOL I just find it comical.

[@LarryLopez91]

I know right?

[@hajwaytoomany2780]

Nevermind Pat I found it! OH Ouch!

[@nationharris]

I think it's sarcastic. They've both gone over numerous times how they're not anti emulator. They were also given a Pi and Pat loved it.

[@noir_cesar]

Ian pretty much summarized why the Genesis is my favorite 16 bit console. The Nintendo fanboys rave about all the rpgs on the snes, but for some of us who don't care for rpgs, the genesis is where I can play the games Im really into, like beat em ups, shooters, or just bad ass action platformers. And they dont suffer from slowdown like on the snes, thanks to blast processing ;) Okay okay jokes aside, if you're into adventure games and rpgs, then yea I'm sure SNES is where its at for you, but if you want straight up action games, the genesis wins hands down, and you can't deny that no matter how deep your nintendo fandom runs Shinobi series, Streets of Rage series, Contra Hard Corps, Batman & Robin, Comix Zone, Gunstar Heroes, X Men 2, Castlevania Bloodlines, Ranger X, Rocket Knight, TMNT, Lightening Force, Punisher, Robocop vs Terminator, Strider the list goes on!

[@epicragegaming2016]

I don't see how someone can not like Donkey Kong Country. For me, its one of my fav games of all time.

[@LarryLopez91]

+To Z You kidding? DKC 2 is far better than the first one. The graphics, the gameplay, and especially the music are superior. It's one of the best games ever made.

[@Brandon_519]

The SNES is probably my favorite console overall and I don't like those games either.

[@Voeris1]

It was probably the difficulty, made lil Ian angry.

[@thetriggeredone3461]

@@LarryLopez91 agreed

[@johnnyace2287]

Ian is an eccentric Colecovision / 3DO geek.

[@Illumirage]

Ian, I never had an SNES either growing up. But still recognize it looked fucking fun as shit.

[@TaskMaster5]

I preferred Genesis over Snes back then, and still do to an extent today, and this is coming from someone had both as a kid. The main reason was because Genesis was the 'arcade' machine and got a lot of near flawless ports of good arcade games. It also had many arcade style games, which is something I've ALWAYS enjoyed due to their 'pick up and play' nature. Snes had loads of RPGs, which are my least favorite genre due to the sheer time dedication and amount of attention they require from the player. Granted, I've a self admitted short attention span, so arcade style games, shooters, beat em ups, racers and things like that are more suited to my nature. I like a quick fix and don't want to be bothered trying to remember some cryptic clue given 2 chapters ago or put the game down for a week only to forget what the fuck I was supposed to be doing. XD So yeah, to each their own here. Both systems are incredible, and I've enjoyed the Snes more as I got older and used it a lot more (Also once my dad started buying more pick-up-and-play oriented games, as he is like me in that regard). Still have my heart with the Genesis though.

[@maxwillson]

I agree with him. I recently sold my SNES and games because I didn't have time for them. The Sega Genesis grew on me. I love how most of the games have zero saves, they are very short and extremely hard! It's like an old school Dark Souls, you pop in the game and just play until you get good at it.

[@TheJoejoez]

Probably b/c Sega came out in 89 and competed directly against the NES, those games have a similar style. Sega was also KING in the arcades and got all the good arcade ports. Sega kept the arcade vibe all the way until Dreamcast, however that's not what most gamers wanted then. Back then when I had way more time however, I DID want to play the Zelda, Secret of Mana etc. type games. SNES is better for the experiences, Genesis better for pick up and play...and I'd argue NES better than both for pick up and play.

[@SrSacaninha]

I would love Ian's list of genesis platformers. I can't think of many that would be superior to the snes' ones.

[@itchyisvegeta]

To sum it up, Ian has more child hood memories with the Genesis than the SNES, and therefore likes the Genesis better. Makes sense. However, liking the SNES is like bacon or Slayer. You either love it, or you are wrong.

[@BRE3ZYE]

Even new Slayer?

[@itchyisvegeta]

+3ZYBRE Even new Slayer. If the music isnt quite up to par, that one new music video makes up for it.

[@moriellymoproblems7842]

Comparing liking SNES to liking bacon is wrong, because the latter is wrong.

[@moriellymoproblems7842]

manny022 That thing was a cash grab and ill timed. But it does deserve credit for playing a part in developing what would become high speed internet.

[@itchyisvegeta]

+manny022 and the CPU, and the slight increase in resolution.

[@TBustah]

One of the reasons I DO like the system is one of the same reasons Ian doesn't: I didn't have an SNES as a kid. My family had a Genesis, and I loved it, but most of the games that I really wanted to play were exclusive to its competitor. Throw in the Super Game Boy (which I didn't even learn about until the Gamecube era), how easy it is to play imports, and wondering what other RPGs (which I didn't discover until Pokemon) were out there, and it became irresistible years later.

[@fabiansolis7543]

When he said he didn't like Donkey Kong, a little bit of myself died on the inside.

[@omarcontreras-cruz7501]

"You can keep your sports games, Ian!" In all seriousness though, he gave out the best reason why he's not that into the SNES, 40 seconds in: he simply didn't own one back then. I mean, wouldn't owning a console and sticking with it meant that you liked it in the first place? Back then, I never even knew that SEGA existed until a relative showed me a Genesis and tried Sonic 2 and Streets of Rage. Fun stuff, but it simply didn't interested me enough to consider it, let alone, change teams. I don't see anything wrong with his opinions.

[@MajinCCBThePrince]

I always feel these "I don't like this console" statements to be utterly moronic and tribalist, if you are a gamer you cazre about playing games no matter what console, if it's good the play. Nobody sits with subpar games that get nostalgic stockholm syndrome on you. (yes this goes for ANY console)

[@Ladderthief1]

Who cares. He doesn't love it big fucking deal.

[@BanjoKazooietheNintendofan]

Lol ok, I bet you cry like a baby whe people don't like what you like.

[@mecha_nemesis_6897]

+I, the Nintendo fan shhhhh.. just... Shut up.

[@pc5440]

+TnVGaming i am!

[@worksa8]

Apparently him not liking it personally but knowing it's a good console isn't good enough, everyone gotta pick on him for having a personal preference lol.

[@Ladderthief1]

I, the Nintendo fan No. I like Sonic and Rock Band and those get ripped on all the time. Doesn't bother me.

[@ravagingwolverine]

I had both growing up. I had the Genesis first and got a SNES a couple of years later thinking it was going to be better. For me, it really wasn't. I still prefer the Genesis today. I also prefer the NES and PC Engine(no nostalgia there). I do like the SNES, but there aren't a lot of games that are my style. Many of its big games, like Castlevania 4 and Axelay, I don't like. I don't find myself disappointed much with the more popular games on the Genesis, PC Engine, or NES.

[@franco7363]

The SNES is the NES on steroids. Is my fav system of all time.

[@franco7363]

+Groovy Nukem What!? I own both. Maybe some slowdown at the first batch of complex games like Gradius 3 but that's it. Don't hate.

[@arcadeperfectreviews2653]

Agreed. People who hate SNES are people who like 15min shooters and have raging boners for NES.

[@wishworm123]

It's blatantly the best console of all time

[@jonnyretro3128]

Everyone knows SNES is number 1 console

[@jam237]

Ian I give you props I feel the same way. I had an NES but then I was given a genesis and I was a genesis kid and I loved it. yes I enjoyed playing SNES at peoples house occasionally but my go to was genesis until N64 came out. I appreciate the snes for what it brought but it was not a nostalgic game system for me and I never owned one until late 2000's. NES I always knew had a great library and was nostalgic from the beginning but SNES I had no idea it was so beloved until the mid 2000's retro game boom on the internet that educated me what I missed out on. I also don't have time for long rpg's so I love pick up and play platformers.

[@relaxingsounds2829]

SNES is one of the greatest systems of all time. A handful of games are some of the best titles of all time. Chrono Trigger / Earthbound / Harvest Moon / Super Metroid / Zelda / SoM / WILD GUNS / SM RPG / Mega Man X-X3 . The list goes on and on.

[@TheJoejoez]

Most of those are long drawn out games. They are epic, but might not be what somebody is wanting to play.

[@retrogamerfan123]

I still go back and play super Mario kart for my snes best battle mode period

[@JBird401]

I say Ian changes his name to "Ian the PC Engine Punk" after this episode

[@KombatGod]

4:16 I thought he was going to say "The Genesis does what Nintendon't..."

[@justinj_00]

Pat says "Emulators, boo" in an episode sponsored by launchbox.

[@SuperHamsterGaming]

It might very well be one of the greatest video game systems ever created.

[@NeonNightmares]

As a kid, one day, my mom brought randomly a new snes from work because she got it very cheap and it sat in our home for 4 years and nobody touched it, because we had no games for it. so that's my memory for the snes. ^^'

[@ALittleBitEpicJeffrey]

Looking back at my life, I realized the SNES only occupied a small window of my early childhood. I think one of the reasons I remember gaming in that era is because they were developmental years and the SNES was my primary console. Even after I had the N64, Ps1, Ps2, and GameCube, I still remember my family had the SNES in the living room. My mother played Super Ghosts n' Ghouls for years. All four of my younger siblings learned to play Super Mario World and Super Mario All-Stars. We had Super Ninja Boy (I adore this game) and Battle-Toads: Double Dragon. This console was just such an important part of my childhood. :3

[@MawcDrums]

*cough* Super Metroid *cough*

[@TeeVeeGames]

The SNES represented a lot of things, but to me it served as the pinnacle of sprite-based graphics (well until the recent retro craze) before the industry got all polygon-happy. The SNES is where you can draw that line between retro and modern gaming. And unlike their follow-up (N64), many of the games aged wonderfully. That's one of the reasons I do have a strong appreciation for the system. But I do understand not having a connection to a console. I guess it's kind of like how I'm often baffled by many collectors love and admiration for the N64, whereas I find it hard to play it for any period of time. And I have to agree that I'm not terribly fond of Donkey Kong Country either. It's not a bad game; just not particularly strong either.

[@GreyCartridge]

"This part of the episode is sponsored by an emulator front-end." Pat: "Emulators: boooo"

[@ドリフト180X]

I've never played a SNES before, so I don't have an opinion about it. I had Genesis growing up, and all my friends had Genesis which is why I asked my parents for one. I don't get why people are so my team vs your team about this subject still. Both consoles have lots of great games, the SNES having more iconic games on it I must admit. But I don't feel like I missed out at all not having SNES, I spent so many hours having a great time on Genesis. I'm totally with Ian on RPGs though, I like them but I just don't have the time for them anymore. I can't just sit around and spend 60+ hours on a single game.

[@TheJoejoez]

Even 20 is too much.... tons of SNES games are 20+ hours that aren't RPGs if you are playing it for the first time and trying to complete everything.

[@CandisClassicGameShrine]

I agree with Ian on this one. I like the SNES but I don't LOVE it. I had it growing up, too. I'm just not into RPGs

[@TheJoejoez]

I like the SNES, love the NES.

[@cpthurme]

I missed out on SNES growing up. Last few years I've done a lot of retro gaming through the library of SNES and Genesis. My conclusion is that I much prefer the Mega Drive library, even though it's smaller. I prefer the NES grindy exploration rpgs compared to the more story focused ones on SNES. Main reason I prefer Mega Drive is Sonic and Phantasy Star games.

[@teamhex]

I didn't grow up with a Genesis...which is why I now collect what I can. It was the system I didn't have. I had the SNES and most kids had the Genesis.

[@strangevision99]

I like both the SNES and Mega Drive, I couldn't choose between them really, their libraries are both huge with plenty of good games. I feel they each did different things very well and other things not so well. I like both much more than the NES.

[@D2ezbmu]

Darius Twin was my favorite shooter on SNES. Amazing game!

[@iPervy]

The music alone gets me hyped haha. So nostalgic

[@Deathknight50000]

I wish Darius got more love in the US myself. I still can't believe they renamed the sequel on snes to Super Nova. I mean come on, what were they thinking?

[@misterfour8233]

I really like Darius Twin on the Super. And it is a real shame that Parodius never came out to the states. There some other hidden shump gems on the snes. However... The problem is that many of the shumps on the super are really slow due to lag. I do kinda like the genesis better for shumps, but I hear the PCE and the Turbo tend to be really good for shumps.

[@7EEVEE]

Love ya Ian, hope you're feeling better these days.

[@quiet451]

I have to agree. SNES is obsessed over. It's an amazing system, but people fall over themselves to argue that it's the best ever. Give other systems some love.

[@Pholiage]

Im sorry but Golden Axe on the Genesis is a bad game. We just didn't have much else back then. Mostly lives on nostalgia value.

[@heroicdefeat5335]

Snes wins on the beatemup front for sure! But shmups have genesis on lock.

[@heroicdefeat5335]

You said farty, Teehee!

[@creato938]

Golden Axe is okay at best, i like Streets of Rage way more, it always felt kinda strange to me, but it can be fun, sometimes i enjoy playing it and i love the fact you could ride the creatures and use them for attack.

[@Pholiage]

Timothy Vreeland Uuhh what? Think you are mixing up the Snes with the Genesis. The genesis had technically a more modern soundchip but was held back tremedously by the carts at the time as there wasnt enough space to fully utilize PCM audio. Snes had the smarter choice in using sampled audio modulation. It may have been "cheating" but it was in the end a superior audio experience. That however doesn't say that the Genesis could pull off some amazing soundtracks. Just check out Thunderforce IV

[@xMasterSparku]

Yeah Golden Axe isn't even good by beat em up standards, it's incredibly bland with little to no depth and it just gets fucking exhausting, an issue a lot of beat em ups have but one that can ruin it for many people regardless of how common it is in the genre. Some friends give me shit for that opinion but fuck it, I'll stand by it.

[@Girichoko]

I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand the concept of personal taste. My favorite system of all times is the SNES, I never had one but I played a lot when I was young, it does have the games I love the most. Recently I bought a Super Famicom and it's a dream come true to me, but it's no big deal that the next person doesn't find it attractive. I do hate the N64. I think it's the most useless console of all time and people hate me for thinking like that. It didn't delivered the next generation of all I loved on the Super Nes. Just Like that. I don't care about the classic NES because I never had one and didn't know anyone who has one at the time either. It's not a bad console at all. It does have a massive wonderful library of games. I just have no feelings for it. People like to hate on Ian because it's trendy, I belive....

[@hajwaytoomany2780]

@2:33 So whatcha bleep out there Pat? I JUST GOTTA KNOW! Lol

[@doctordistracto8390]

Just FYI if you're like Ian and having difficulty finding time to play RPGs - most RPGs have a save function that enables you to stop playing, but also to come back later and pick up exactly where you left off.

[@Swan-may]

I...actually agree with Ian 100% here.

[@GreenEyedDazzler]

The SNES has a library that is impossible to enjoy. Genuinely, has anyone played Link to the Past for fun? I mean if you never played LTTP when it came out. If you didn’t grow up with it there’s no enjoyment to be had. Even the N64… can you play OOT or MM? Once you’ve played, or rather slogged through the first 3D Zeldas there’s no reason an adult would spend their free time going back, unless they had autism.

[@jbfarley]

You're violently stupid, clown.

[@PeteSkerritt]

My love for the SNES, admittedly, has some root in the the fact that it was the first console that I bought with my own money. The console is synonymous with my early adult life (19-24), and it carries a lot of memories. Even though I bought a Genesis in 1992, it wasn't until much later in life that I really appreciated why it appealed to me (the sports games were-- and still are, in some instances-- pretty darned great). With the SNES, I can list 20+ specific games and what was going on in my life at the time. I do understand where Ian is coming from. Not all people have the same overwhelming reactions to certain games. The Genesis offered games that really resonated with him, same as the SNES had games that did the same for me.

[@toaker]

The SNES has the most diverse and rich library of any console, You can find several great games for almost any genre! Its a very easy system to import and modify for imports, the spc 700s power cannot be understated, Mode 7 allowed for some great looking scaling and rotation effects, it was capable of pseudo 3D visuals, A revolutionary 6 button controller with two shoulder buttons which made games like Street Fighter 2 playable on the console. A truly remarkable piece of technology.

[@thetriggeredone3461]

The Genesis also has a 6 button controller also the spc700 doesn't match the ym2612 and the psg and when you used pcm mixing on that console it was unstoppable the SPC700 is to muffled and just garbage from a technical standpoint sure it has great music but just doesn't compare to the Genesis

[@EgillH]

Knights of the Round is my favorite beat em up on the SNES

[@urdad1984]

I feel the same about the SNES, and pretty much for the same reasons. I grew up with Sega consoles, so most of my nostalgia is towards them. Shooters, fighting games, n sports games r what I played growing up. Not saying the SNES is a bad console or that its library is bad, I just dont hold it in as high of a regard as others. N not being a huge RPG fan doesnt help either

[@thecosmicloaf]

launchbox is awesomeeeeeeee. please pat give us more regular cup podcasts! i check your site every morning before work so i can stick it on my phone to listen to at work, really makes the work day better :)

[@AmazingFrenchman]

OMG! I thought I was the only guy not liking DKC.... thanks Ian. I understand you and same for RPGs too.

[@lunardancer6047]

R-Type 3 is cool, but Axelay and Space Megaforce is where it's at. SNES is probably my favourite system ever.

[@stucazzo2000]

Space Megaforce is amazing. I thank EGM's review crew for reviewing it in a '92 issue when I was in HS and gave it game of the month.

[@Gggrrrrrrrr23]

Aero Fighters is where it's at, also that macross scramble game on the super famicom

[@alsocow5500]

Macross Scrambled Valkyrie & UN Squadron are the only good shmups on the SNES, but it's the systems only weak genre. And the one good reason to own a PC Engine. As usual Ian is utterly clueless when it comes to matters of taste...music...movies...games...whatever. It's good for the podcast though because it provides a contrarian viewpoint to get the discussion going.

[@Gggrrrrrrrr23]

John Markeson Aero Fighters is the best shmup on the system by far.

[@lunardancer6047]

John Markeson Axelay mightn't be the best 'hardcore' shmup if you will, but I'll be damned if it's not at the very least considered a good game. The music and presentation are off the charts. UN Squadron would probably be my 3rd fave on the SNES too. I haven't played Macross Scrambled Valkyrie but I'm keen to check it out now.

[@1980sGamer]

My name is Kevin... WELL, SHIT!

[@laurenriley2943]

There were quite a few experimental games on SNES as well. You have games like Demon's Crest, E.V.O Search for Eden, Area 88, Wild Guns, Pilotwings, Mario Paint, Super Scope 6, Illusion of Gaia, and Tetris Attack. The SNES is not known for side scrolling shooters, but Space Megaforce, Terror 2000, and Darius Twin were pretty good.. There were also some fun action games like Super Smash TV, Total Carnage, The Super Star Wars Trilogy, X-calibur 2037, Run Saber, The Final Fight sequels, Turtles in Time, Super Punch Out, Battletoads in Battlemaniacs, Knights of the Round, Captain Commando., Turrican 1 and 2, and, Spawn . Ian is entitled to like the Genesis more, but it honestly does not sound like Ian knows the SNES that well beyond the "popular" titles to actually compare both sixteen bit systems. It doesn't matter. Ian's opinion is his own, and he does not have to justify why he likes Genesis more. I would say that both systems are even in terms of quality games. I might give SNES the edge only because I personally enjoy the games on that system more, but you cannot go wrong with either one.

[@allluckyseven]

Why is Ian's camera always blurry?

[@Horzuhammer]

The Super Nintendo has some of my absolute favorite games of all time; Super Mario World, Yoshi's Island, Super Metroid, Earthbound etc. but when I think of the library as a whole, it's kind of a weak one. My gaming consist mostly of platformers, shooters too (with a dash of classic arcade titles and some light Namco-fanboyism), and compared to the Nes/Famicom library, that has tons of games that I can just pop in whenever and have a blast with, the SNES library seems kinda weak. What the SNES has, is of top quality, but I just can't see myself returning to the system all that much. Don't know wether I'd place it above or below the MegaDrive, but one thing is clear; Nothing beats the Nes/Famicom in my book!

[@TheJoejoez]

Same... but most of those epic games I don't want to go back to... were kind of a one time experience.

[@Stealthborn]

As someone who loves the SNES I actually felt that Ian actually gave some good points. There are a few things I would like to say though in a fair manner:1. In terms of not liking the DKC games it is a matter of opinion. I personally like them but it really comes down to how one approaches the games. Though I strongly disagree with Ian on that one I respect his opinion.2. The SNES shooter library (shmups) is not quite as bad as people say it is. Sure the Genesis shooter library is the better one (along with TG-16, DC and SAT) but there are still some decent shooters to be found. R-Type III, Gradius III, AeroFighters, Space MegaForce, Axelay and Firepower 2000 to name a few. I'd recommend give some of these a try if possible.3. In terms of the library being weak it all is a matter of perspective. I still think most of the games hold up on the SNES just like I think most of the games hold up on the Genesis. I do agree with Ian on the fact that the Genesis was more experimental but it could be hit or miss. Once again it is all a matter of opinion.Interesting that Ian mentions he had a friend with an SNES while he had a Genesis. That was the complete opposite of me. I had the SNES and a friend I used to know had the Genesis...

[@g1nobleteam]

Oh no someone doesn't like a thing I love as much as me, he therefore must be DA WORST! Jokes aside I feel similar towards the Genesis that its library doesn't do much to me, but I still enjoy quite a bit of what it has to offer.

[@litigioussociety4249]

I agree with Ian a lot. I didn't get a 16 bit system until 1993, and by that time I was aware of many of the different games for both systems. For the most part, I was turned off from SNES, because I didn't love the sequels to the NES games on it as much. Also, several of my friends already had a SNES, and maybe one I hardly saw had the Genesis, so for me the Genesis held a library of games I didn't have access to playing; namely Sonic. I also bought the Genesis arcade stick, and since most fighting games were 6 buttons in the arcade at the time, it was really convenient being able to play the games the same way.

[@GymGyp]

I love the Donkey Kong Country games. The 2nd one is my favorite game of all time.

[@chrismitchell4898]

Pat give Ian a stickers! He's not himself right now.

[@kristoferkoessel4354]

“Who the fuck else would want a pat rally basketball besides pat”

[@clevervandal521]

lol... Ian was so baked that he didnt remember selling the game to Pat ;p

[@ronnhendsbee6242]

I agree. I did grow up with an Snes. But as time goes on I seem to have less and less interest in it. Mostly because I have played most of what I wanted on it, and my interests have gone away from RPG's.

[@ryanbunce637]

I have a really hard time putting the controller down when I’m playing donkey Kong country

[@EternalyRandom]

Both are great systems. It all comes down to what flavor do you prefer.

[@MrTweej]

U.N. Squadron is one of my favorite shooters ever. Super Ghouls N' Ghosts is a great platformer that not enough people talk about. The Final Fight trilogy and the Rival Turf trilogy (Rival Turf, Brawl Brothers, & Peace Keepers) are great beat 'em ups just in case Ian or anyone else wants some good SNES game suggestions.

[@mr.vidjagamez9896]

Forget if I commented on this vid before, but Genesis was great for its shooters and "fast-paced" platformers, like Rocket Knight, Sonic, Dynamite Headdy and Socket, while the SNES was great for more "traditional" platformers like Mario, DKC, Yoshi and its RPGs. Thats how I always felt about them.

[@m.3.3.w]

I originally had a Genesis but I lost my friends game boy when some kid stoled it in elementary. Mom bought me an sines and it's been in my heart forever

[@wishworm123]

"Arms installation complete.. good luck"

[@ryanbunce637]

Same with me, I just didn’t grow up with one. But I’ll tell u one thing, I’m loving my snes classic and wish I had one growing up.

[@bsolmaz13]

I respect your opinion Ian. I myself think the Super Nintendo has everything you could ever want out of a gaming system. Great shooters: Gradius 3, Parodius, Super Aleste (I think it's called Space Megaforce in the US), Pop'n Twinbee, R-Type 3, Super R-Type, UN Squadron, Phalanx, Super SWIV (Firepower 2000) and the best one imo AXELAY. I love shooters and I think the SNES has plenty awesome ones.

[@Stinger2578]

Exclusives sell systems and exclusives are why I had (and still have) an SNES and a Sega Genesis. In the case of SNES/Genesis multiplatform games, I lean toward the SNES versions in almost every case. On SNES the graphics tended to be smoother, the audio, to me, sounded better - "less tinny", and ports of games like Sunset Riders were more arcade-accurate on SNES.

[@spiderjerusalem100]

I grew up playing Commodore 64, Mega Drive and Snes games but i'm more nostalgic for the PS2.

[@rtv190]

I liked all of the all three 16 bit systems

[@Launchpad05]

I would argue that it doesn't have A good enough library of side scrolling beat 'em ups. There are a few gems, but not enough.

[@ThePorkchopExpress975]

oh man that ending is so funny. I understand Ian not having time to play SNES RPGs. it's so time consuming.

[@marccaselle8108]

Ian had a good point. If you didn't grow up with something, it's hard to have a nostalgic fondness for it.

[@TheZeroSbr]

I can see why someone would like the Genesis better, but to dislike the SNES? Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy II/IV and III/VI, Super Metroid, Super Mario RPG, Super Castlevania IV, A Link to the Past, Earthbound, Mega Man X, Secret of Mana, Illusion of Gaia, Super Mario World...the list goes on. You can't flat-out dislike the SNES and call yourself a serious gamer.

[@AntiChris]

Well he didn't just say he didn't like the system. He acknowledges that it is a solid system, but he says he doesn't have the time for the SNES' "golden genre," which is unquestionably RPGs. I also tend to agree here, the SNES didn't have too many quality platformers and shooters, but has outstanding RPGs, much like the example you gave.

[@TheZeroSbr]

Chris Wenzel Super Castlevania IV isn't a RPG, nor is Mega Man X, A Link to the Past, or Super Metroid. That's already more quality games than the Genesis has.

[@AntiChris]

Yeah, but don't forget about the other half of of games you listed AND did not list, like Breath of Fire 1 and 2, Terranigma, Fire Emblem, Soul Blazer, Act Raiser, etc. Also, don't assume that the Megadrive is without quality games. Besides the Sonic series, you have the superior Contra, Streets of Rage, Golden Axe, Altered Beast, Sword of Vermilion, the HIGHLY underrated Phantasy Star 2, 3, and 4, Shining Force, Gunstar Heroes, Castlevania Bloodlines, Hyperstone Heist, Landstalker, Fatal Labyrinth, Faery Tale Adventure, Warsong, Traysia, I could go on for awhile. The Super Nintendo undoubtedly had a larger quantity of quality RPGs than the Genesis, but remember that the Genesis was marketed to a more mature audience, putting an emphasis on replicating the "Arcade" experience.

[@TheZeroSbr]

Chris Wenzel Most of those games you listed are titles that not many people care about. Also, I thought Phantasy Star was an RPG franchise. Also, I didn't forget about those other games. I did say that the list goes on.

[@AntiChris]

+TheZeroSbr I beg to differ. The Genesis has a massive fanbase, being one of the largest retro communities in North America. To equate it to a cult following is would be incorrect.

[@8ByteBrian]

Rockin' Kats or Bust!

[@JAC3DG33K]

Not having that much time for RPGs is why I have an XBox One vs PS4.

[@BloodlessWolf]

I was a Genesis kid and while I loved the NES, I was envious of a friend who had a Master System. Phantasy Star and Rocky blew my mind back then. I ended up buying an SNES much later in it's lifetime. I had played Mario World and felt like Ian about it. I will say that when I got Mega Man X, Final Fantasy 3, and Super Metroid I played the HELL out of the SNES...So, I'm partial to the Genesis but I definitely appreciate the SNES.

[@cammelspit]

I tend to agree about the SNES. I can count the number of truly great games for it on two hands, beyond that, there isn't a lot more to it. I do not like to play RPGs as a general rule so those are not a high point for me. If you cut those "great" RPGS out there is a laughable low number of great games on the SNES. I truly despise the insane amount of reverb that is present in nearly all SNES games and with such a laughable slow CPU, you can't find one game that doesn't have an insane amount of experience ruining slowdown. The genesis is better on all these counts so this is why I would put it higher in my book. Not BAD or anything just not nearly as good as the majority of people seem to think it is.

[@thetriggeredone3461]

Yes I agree completely

[@jook13]

I grew up a sega kid, the Genesis was my only 16 bit system for years. now I have both with hundreds of games for each. the Genesis has a ton of games that are good and neat. the Snes has a ton that I consider timeless classics. I always find it strange when I hear someone say there don't adore the Snes...

[@thepillversusthespringhill9080]

I like when Pat works while acknowledging what Ian is saying. you can tell he is busy but he still gives a fuck about his friends opinion.

[@LuxFerre21]

Well someone has delusions of grandeur...

[@notmyname1289]

I have absolutely no idea what either of them were talking about.

[@dblucid]

I love the SNES, but I totally understand you Ian.

[@AreyouthirstyTV]

Pat Riley's basketball is awesome lol

[@thomasbowman5155]

we need to hear more about kevin