Why Does Scania Still Use a V8 Engine?

For Scania it almost all comes down to heritage. The V8 diesel is what helped grow their brand to new heights and its what their customers expected them to continue with. They've had plenty of chances to switch to an inline-six, but they've stuck with their roots and as such, they've built quite a following in Europe.
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[@Dustrunnersauto]

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[@iBackshift]

The Scania 770 has 2700+ pounds torque at 900 rpms, not 2200. he he. AND on a single drive axle, which is...........unreal ! ! !

[@sandasturner9529]

no.

[@petermckenna6093]

Honestly if you ever get a chance to drive one take it I have been lucky enough to drive on both sides off the Atlantic and their is some fabulous trucks in the USA but for raw grunt going up hill and heavy pulling and comfort them v8s are class the sound out off the exhaust is unreal it's my second favourite engine still like my big cam Cummins 2

[@jpvanlitsenborgh4257]

MAN also has a v8 series truck

[@danbenson7587]

Perhaps a vid on turbo compound engines?

[@motokid1492]

The reason for cab overs isnt that the roads are to small for normal trucks. Its because of regulations saying tracks cant be over a specific lenght.

[@jackx4311]

Nope - the biggest reason for cab-overs in Europe is, as the man said, they can get round much sharper corners on much narrower roads.

[@Stuka616]

@@jackx4311 Yes and no, we have limited lenghts here 17 meter is the maximum lenght of a SEMI but articulated box trucks have other lenghts (maximum lenght varies from country to country) In Finland we have a maximum lenght of 34m (111ft) and max 76,000kg (167,000lb) gross weight

[@denzzlinga]

@@jackx4311 i don´t think so, it´s more the regulations. 16.5 m overall length for a semi truck and 13.6 m trailer length. Leaving something arround 2.5 m for the cab. Manouverability depends on wheelbase only. And you can built a cabover and a conventional with exactly the same wheelbase, depending on cargo type you are hauling. Dumpers for example were often conventionals back in the day. Their dump boxes were just a bit shorter and higher than the ones of cabovers, and the overall length was the same.

[@theutgardianchannel1952]

you can put big trucks on small roads if you have enough skill, just look at Colombia, we have mostly daycabs but some truckers have sleepers and the roads are just as tight as in europe

[@Fetguf]

The turning DIAMETER of a EU Tractor 15 meter. Turning RADIUS of a US tractor is over 12 meter....that is allmost 25 meter in DIAMETER. Sorry to say, but US trucks are built to go straight.

[@user-ip7fv3xw5h]

From your video one can get the impression that Scania sells only V8's which is not true. They also offer I5 and I6 engines, in fact for international long haulage in Europe the majority of the trucks are equipped with I6 engines.

[@Sollyst1909]

Scania's V8 engine was designed when Sweden and Finland allowed 60 tonnes total weight and 25m total length trucks on most public roads from 1970 onwards. Until then, it was only 50tons total weight. It could be used in the extensive forest industry in the two countries. From 1972 onwards, Germany demanded a minimum of 8 horsepower per. tons on their autobahns. The A7 in Kassel Hills was then a huge challenge for trucks with too little horsepower. Scania was ahead of their competitors as their V8 had a turbocharger and was more energy efficient than the German truck manufacturers at the time. They chose to build large 18L engines without a turbocharger. Other events such as when Egypt closed the Suez Canal at the beginning of the Six-Day War on 5 June 1967, the canal remained closed for precisely eight years, reopening on 5 June 1975. This led to a huge growth in truck transport between Europe and the Middle East strongly growing oil economies via Turkey's mountainous terrain. Here, Scania's very strong and economical V8 engine together with a generally thoroughly tested truck from Sweden, was really appreciated. Europe generally has a more hilly and mountainous terrain compared to North America, which requires more horsepower per. tons. The sound of the V8 Södertälje Symphony Orchestra has since 1969 also been a very significant sales speech. It's probably the most legendary sound in diesel engine history. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3PdloF8e9eUgJY Scania V8 climbing Junkerdal Norway RV77

[@fransleeuwe5429]

Kassel hils are Famous

[@petter5721]

In Sweden it is still common to see 24 meters trucks

[@Aussietrucker]

I have hundreds of thousands of Kms in V8 Scanias here in Australia and love them they are built for driver comfort and the hydraulic retarder is amazing, they do seem to have reliability issues here with the heat. A lot of trucks here are cabover because of our strict length laws and to maximise freight space I had a 730 Hp Scania and it would blow the doors off most trucks. The most popular and reliable truck here is the Kenworth it’s just a shame there so uncomfortable to drive but when you are pulling 130 ton and four trailers on crappy dirt roads the Kenworth won’t fall apart as often as the Euros.

[@kristoffermangila]

American cabover fans are jealous of you guys there because Kenworth Australia still builds the Kenworth K-200 cabovers there, and they have configurations that wasn't dreamed about when the K-100 was build decades ago, like the 8x4 and 10x6 variants (they are pouting too because they can't export it to the US, well, at least for 25 or so years, lol).

[@Aussietrucker]

@@kristoffermangila there is a huge demand for new trucks in Australia at the moment and some companies are waiting 12 months for deliveries of the new K200 we also make Volvo trucks in Brisbane and they have similar delays. I like driving the Kenworth 909 series great out on the highways but no good in tight city streets and they require a short A trailer because of there length even though they have increased our B Double length from 26 to 27 meters they still expect us to get them into places in city’s that were designed for a horse and cart, you have to split trailers and deliver each one seperate it’s a huge pain in the rear. That’s a K200 big cab I drove in my profile pic.

[@audoinxr6372]

K series can get in the bin. Every thing bad Americans remember about cab overs, lives on in k series. But honestly the Aus built FH is my fav truck on market. Does everything well.

[@Aussietrucker]

@@audoinxr6372 I like the Volvos they are very comfortable unfortunately they just don’t hold up out west on the crap roads the new k series have come a long way the last one I had had done over 3 million kms

[@rioblyth3926]

@@satunnainenkatselija4478 yeah scania has engine coolant running to the retarder, so as you can imagine the heat gets very intense but mercedes has that system too possibly volvo

[@philbitu]

Nope. The Scania D11 is a LEGENDARY straight six engine, one of the best diesels ever. Just can't believe when someone says Scania had nothing special before the V8: needs to learn a lot more about the truck business.

[@jzscania1492]

I know right? Personally I love the tuff 112 305 but the best ds11 was the 113 360, none of those ecu’s and complicated electrics

[@The_One_Over_There]

i don't know too much about it, But drivers i've talked to over the years generally say that the straight 6 from Scania is more or less just average. Not bad or anything, But not as good as the die-hard Scania fans claim they are. Everything from torque curves to the overall feel of them, they just don't feel all that special. Their V8 engines are on a league of their own so i rather not compare those to anything though. But that's just what i heard from drivers.

[@joshuamoore5389]

@@The_One_Over_There tbf my dad had an r420 and that was unbelivably good, the power was absolutley mad for a little 420, tourqe was a bit meh there was worse but then it had a new turbo and was really good, much more character then the 450s imo

[@thombt963]

That engine was based on the Leyland Diesel engine design…..

[@MrToranaGuy]

Scania still have a legendary straight 6, but it's not as popular as their v8 in their largest trucks.

[@rioblyth3926]

I'm at a Scania dealer. Their line up has been 5 cylinder 6 cylinder and 8 keeping the piston sizes and heads the same making them interchangeable. The only issues they can suffer with is liners. They are a wet liner set up and if your antifreeze level is very low then you can expect problems. However for an engine that has built up exquisite reliability, blows every other engine out of the pond, Scania's are line up (post 2019) is the only engine on the market to feature an EGRless across the market, new XPI-Cummins injectors, whilst being here I've never seen a V8 being stripped down and rebuilt. Scania not long ago published a story of a 83 year old driver (quote me wrong) who has done 4.4 million kilometres on his Scania 142M rigid and his engine has never been overhauled.

[@MrTruckDriver]

he just had to change the main barings, because his oil light started to blink at idle 😅

[@Aussietrucker]

Not to mention the liners failing on the new Cummins

[@6.4DieselDoctor]

@@Aussietrucker not the liners. The factory liner shims are weak and causes the liners to drop slightly which results in blown head gaskets and busted orings which fill the block with coolant

[@Aussietrucker]

@@6.4DieselDoctor thanks I wasn’t sure what was happening I just drive them it’s happened to a few of our trucks. Cummins uses a couple of our trucks as test beds so they take them away and just swap them out.

[@6.4DieselDoctor]

@@Aussietrucker yeah they’re genuinely good engines once the issue is straightened out. If they ever learn to time the pump properly from the factory they’ll be a solid engine. I despise the pump rattling. I found a way to time them and they’re extremely smooth and better response.

[@edwardpate6128]

I miss the golden era of the Cabovers in the US in the 60's and 70's. They were just amazing looking. My personal favorites the IH Transtar series of cabovers.

[@wrex7044]

The V8 is bullet proof and used also in marine applications with 1200HP output. If you need only 500HP or less i your truck Scania also produce I6 in a few sizes with the best fuel-mileage out there.

[@garethifan1034]

Correct..I drove a 1986 112 M tractor with the 6 cylinder 330hp engine well in to the 00's and the reliability was spot on and fuel economy second to none.

[@nidalshehahadeh7485]

You have opened old bleeding wounds and brought back old memories . Scania had a inline 6 cylinder engine for a long time , I know because I worked on them , in 1973 I was 13 years old and that was when I entered the family business which was a diesel truck repair business that is in the Old Country Palestine , by the age of 15 I was doing complete engine overhauls , the inline 6-cylinder Scania engine utilizes a wet sleeve design , in other words there is no re Machining off the block , simply remove the old sleeve and put a new one in . We used to take the oil pan off the engine and inspect the crankshaft , if the crankshaft was okay then the engine was over hold while it's in the vehicle , we used to slide in new Main bearings , replace the trust washers if we had to , then simply pull out the wet sleeves and install a new ones in which was fairly easy enough , my dad invented a tool for removing the sleeves , I wish he have file for a patent . Scania was extremely innovative , 70s Scania engine utilized a centrifugal oil filter , simply open it up clean it and put it back , you could say it's an early version of Enviro oil filter .

[@foolishgerry2862]

I'm from Australia & I've owned several Scania V8's towing B-Double trailers @65 tonnes. I chose the R620 version for several reasons. 1.Everything is Scania - Engines, Transmission, Cab, Differentials. If you do have a problem you only need to go to one place - Scania. American trucks Kenworths/Western Stars/Freighliners have Cummins/Detroit/Eaton/Rockwells etc. 2.Scania V8's are torque monsters which are able to haul heavy loads & maintain road speed at low RPM making them fuel efficent and, 3.The Scania integrated Retarder & exhaust brake. With this I can slow 65 tonnes from 100km/h down steep declines & never have to touch the brake pedal. No other manufacturer has anything that comes close. I'd attach a picture if I knew how.

[@johanruiter5848]

I drive a r620 v8 with livestock in europe. Its 10 years old great truck.

[@BruceCarbonLakeriver]

retarder breaks are very usual in Europe. ^^ Weeks ago I've seen a vid from a US truck driver who had to manage brake temps and (I was laughing xD) temps of his differentials LOL We'd just simply cruise down that decline with the retarder coupled to the cruise control and nothing to worry about ^^

[@johanruiter5848]

@@BruceCarbonLakeriver i have a retarder on the old scania, am 600000 km on same brakepads and they are stil 50%

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

Cool story bro.

[@herbscheit2061]

You are so correct,I have a mack v8 and pulls like a locomotive but they are cheap on fuel but horrible engine brakes

[@mickromer6199]

In Australia we have limits on certain roads for overall length, we use short nose western stars or cab overs to get under the legal limit of B-double application.. changes from state to state but cab overs will also typically have great turning circles for tight city loading docks.. we also run roadtrains which you see the odd cab over pulling but mostly conversational 👍

[@murraystewartj]

What on earth is a conversational tractor?

[@rahulingle8806]

👌

[@olivergunn2796]

I think he means conventional, basically American style

[@mickromer6199]

@@murraystewartj yes conventional... Auto correct... Since it was an American video I used conventional although here we just call the bonneted or nosed.. same with cars we don't call it a hood but call it a bonnet

[@malice6081]

I'm assuming the road trains using the conventional style is for comfort on long road trips and the added weight helping you get better grip on loose dirt?

[@ricebox1178]

Just a small correction: Scania still runs OHV in the DC16, but they do have 4 valve per cylinder.

[@Dustrunnersauto]

Not sure how I messed that one up, the DC16 doesn't even look OHC 🤦🏻‍♂

[@ricebox1178]

@@Dustrunnersauto We all made mistakes in the heat of passion Jimbo

[@acd1202]

But the new in line 6 engine which came out just a couple of months ago is a double ohc. This engine is going into International trucks in the US from April 2023 production, Scania, MAN and International all share the same parent company now. Whilst Scania is known for the V8 the vast majority of Scanias are in fact in line both 5 and 6 cylinder. Up until about 15 years ago many European trucks used V engines not just V8, but the V10 was very popular in Mercedes, MAN and Magirus and even a few V12.

[@metalsecrecy]

@@Dustrunnersauto it is overhead valve but the it isnt overhead cam. It still uses push rods like an ls engine. Even the 13 liters inline 6 engines of scania uses this configuration . They are going to change that tho in the new engine update

[@tymullen8350]

It does have two cams, but they are in the block. Ive worked on these engines.

[@RcFlashlight]

Dude your channel is severely underrated. Straightforward, easy to understand and video length is right where it needs to be. It’s rare for me to subscribe to channels, but I feel like your channel has earned it. Don’t change a thing.

[@SupremeRuleroftheWorld]

he could change to actually invest time into fact checking his story. the whole turn radius story is a load of bullshit. its simply because the total length of european trucks is limited and leaves about 2.5 meters (8ft) for the cab with a full size 40ft trailer behind it.

[@bluedogsalvage5246]

Back on the early 90s, I went to Norway for a year. A friend I made worked for Scania, he told be that their most powerful over the road truck cranked a bit over 1000 hp. This was the Era of all mechanical fuel distribution. The truck wasn't popular in Norway or Sweden, but immensely popular in Switzerland, Austria, Italy, and France due to the demand of driving freight in the alps. For the life of me. I can't remember the model. Scania V8s have a nice sound, similar to International's DV550 and 9 Liter V8s.

[@mixgashaulass2988]

DI16 077M

[@TrucksScaleModels]

Scania and Volvo has together like 90% of Scandinavian market, it is about same for each

[@uncinarynin]

And in the Alps you need to combine power, maneuverability and good brakes as soon as you're not only driving on the highway. Mountain roads are steep and curvy. Some pass roads have emergency ramps for trucks with defective brakes (stretches of sand going uphill to stop a truck).

[@daglivden2427]

All the high output trucks are popular in Skandinavia. They allways wore, in Norway, Sweden and Finland we have total loads on 50 tonns pluss.( 110 000 pounds) So your claim that a powerfull truck wasn´t popular there are false. Also the claim of a 1000 hp truck are false. You can in fact on the modern trucks get over a 1000 hp but not from factory.

[@uncinarynin]

@@daglivden2427 So Scandinavia has higher load limits than the 40 t usual in central Europe?

[@mojntrucker7272]

Wellexplained !! I am from Sweden and driving a SCANIA with 770 HP!! Actually we will be in the US for a ROAD TOUR with our semi trailer in June and July going from Baltimore to LA and back to Brunswick!! Maybe we can catch up?! Your more than welcome to test the 770 HP V8 then!!!

[@mojntrucker7272]

By the way, here is my 770 HP SCANIA with the semi I am taking for the US ROAD TOUR this summer!! Would love to find some American citizens who drive SCANIAs in the US!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJ6bfmifrtZ3kLs

[@richardsink9198]

I am a mechanic here in sweden. you can find nearly as many straight 6 engines as v8 motors in Scania. The V8 is very popular to swedes because they are reliable, very much power, and they sound mean! By the way, here in sweden the name is pronounced Sc-ah-nia. very nice video.

[@dhenschel4]

Cabover design was popular in the US as there was limit on truck length and the cabover design allowed longer trailers with the limit. When the limit was no longer enforced, conventional trucks came back in popularity likely due to space constraints inside the engine area . A lot of those issues have been resolved and the cabover may come back in popularity. Also, Scania was purchased by Volkswagen, and word is that they will seek sales of trucks in the US in the near future.

[@justin423]

length restrictions play a huge part, which is why they are cabover designs

[@Idividezero]

Former truck driver here. I measured my Peterbuilt 379 at a 26 foot wheel base, to give y'all an idea of how long they are. Day cabs typically run ~500 miles per day. 250 there, 250 back. Sleepers (OTR) typically run 550 minimum, and can legally log up to about 700 miles per day in some cases. I have had to deliver to some places where I really wish I had one of those Scania cabovers. And their brakes are *WAY* better than ours.

[@Simon-bg3st]

Hey, thanks for the video. A couple of points I think you missed: In Britain and probably most of Europe, V8 Scanias are a niche engine option - most Scanias have inline 6 cylinder engines Scania is famous for the T-series conventional models

[@iBackshift]

Like #177. Buddy...you could do a video just on the history of the Scania V-8 and their joint venture with Mack....on the Scania and Mack V8. In the late 50's, Scania pitched an offer to Mack for an intellectual property trade, (We Scania like your Mack bus, but your Mack engine does not have enough power to get out of its own way.) Lets trade "Mack bus" to Sweden for "Scania cylinder head", (We'll build you a cylinder head that will make your engine pull) which Scania built the first 15000 thermodyne cylinder heads for mack. There are Macks [you can see them at ATHS rallies] that have the Scania-Vabis cast into the thermodyne cylinder head. The 1100 rpms that a small little Mack 350 and 400 hp engine can pull at, is because Scania designed the cylinder head to pull like that. [I used to drive an R600 w/a 350hp and was taught to pull it on the hills at 1100] Scania put to the drawing board the first V-8 in 1964 and entered into service in 1969, the 14liter 350hp. Scania designed the V-8 engine and did an "Resource" property trade with Mack. Mack had the casting facility and cast the two blocks, one Scania and other Mack. One was standard (mack), one was metric (Scania). I got to sit in a Scania 143 in Arrowchar Scotland. There was a parkinglot where logging trucks traded drivers day for night shift. And after chatting with the log truck drivers about the truck...I became hooked on the V8 sound. haha

[@PlayWaves1]

Scania does have a presence in the US and Canada. They sell marine and agricultural engines. For example an Oxbo 8430 harvester and several lobster fishing yachts have Scania engines.

[@norioxoximeikushi7741]

Scania also built and sold city transit busses in the USA back in the 1980s. They had a manufacturing plant in Connecticut.

[@juanjosefraga9310]

I love Scania V8 engines; even those 400 hp oldies ones sound great.

[@kalle5548]

I’ll share a secret, drop the exhaust of one of the newer ones and it sounds just as good

[@tomwomack3167]

We've run Scania V8's. They are awesome.

[@uncinarynin]

Regulations! In the EU the overall length of a semi-truck is limited, as are other dimensions. Total gross weight is a big issue (often exceeded so trucks are taken off the road for being overloaded ...) To maximize the cargo volume within the limited length of the complete semi-truck, everything is stacked. Engine below, driver in the middle, bed in the roof (I guess Volvo came first with the "Globetrotter cab" but now all the big manufacturers have it). Often the cab is sitting on top of the engine with a soft suspension inbetween, increasing comfort so any engine vibrations aren't directly making the cab shake. (As a side note it's also important to make sure there's no resonance at idling speed, otherwise everything will vibrate terribly ...)

[@MOSSFEEN]

What a SEMI Its either a RIGID or ARTIC over here in Europe

[@uncinarynin]

@@MOSSFEEN what German and Austrian law calls "Sattelkraftfahrzeug"

[@TheRageKing31]

I'm proud that my car has the saab/scania badge. Seeing that griffen always makes me smile. I have seen very few scania trucks here in the states but whenever I was in my saab we would always wave to each other. Truly unique and special vehicles

[@NavySturmGewehr]

My dad had a Mack cabover with the Mack V8. Loved it. Beautiful sounding engine too. The really neat v8 engine is the Cummins 555 and the 903, kind of gives you a hint where the ISV5.0 came from.

[@justinmartin8887]

Yea they’re all junk, too

[@NavySturmGewehr]

@@justinmartin8887 Not really, just have issues related to people not knowing how to drive an over square diesel properly.

[@justinmartin8887]

@@NavySturmGewehr idk I’ve worked enough to not like them much. The big Mack is the best v8 by far. Never did care for that goofy triple nickel

[@johanruiter5848]

Mack V8's were built in Renault trucks in France too back in the 90's with 500 and 560hp

[@adamswindells1]

You can now get the T series Scania again, they stopped making them years ago so people converted R series (cabovers) into the T with a bonnet, they also did an executive cab known as the longline that could come as a T series and they were huge, I think you can still specially order a longline so there are setups that would work well in the US. I think a T Longline would dwarf and out pull many stock US truck breeds, being 730/770bhp capable of pulling 250+ tons

[@darrylhuia8626]

I currently own and drive an old Scania 143 Streamline. It was built in 1994, so yes its done some serious work in her life, but when it comes to comfort and drive ability I wouldn't change for any other. I have owned other makes, but our 143 would beat them all.

I was curious and I looked it up: Detroit DD16 has a max torque of 2050 lb/ft. That is 2780 Nm in SI units. The Scania 16-liter line starts at 2700 Nm, and goes up to 3700 (2730 lb/ft). Scania gets 2700 Nm out of an I6 13-liter engine.

[@jamiesimpson1786]

I had heard most of the reason American torque seems to be limited to 2050lb/ft is drive line issues ie clutch etc. No doubt the US engines can produce more.

@@jamiesimpson1786 entirely possible, I am not expert. It does seem a little odd though. Building strong enough clutches, gearboxes, etc. is also probably something US manufacturers can do. I mean I am sure that it is not just Scania and Volvo who can have other drive line components that can handle 3700 Nm of torque. Not to mention the fact that if there ever was a country where people loved squeezing out every last ounce of power from an engine, that was the good old U.S. of A. So I am sure that there are many-many detroit dd16s out there which are cranked up higher than the factory specs.

[@Fetguf]

@ Its not the drive line that is the problem, it is the chassis. If you get more torque, you need a stronger chassis, and that cost on the weight. So stronger chassis = higher weight = less freight. As I recall US trucks can only haul 40t, VS 56t i most EU countries.

[@johanruiter5848]

@@Fetguf 88000 lbs or 40 tons here in europe in most countries. Holland 50 tons norway 52.5 tons. In UK 44 tons on 6 axles

[@johanruiter5848]

@@Fetguf that is with normal trailers. In scandinavia with longer trucks its 60tons sweden and spain allow 2 trailers now

[@eliaslundstedt5607]

Before the V8 engine came along they did most defenitively have a brand image. The DS 11, 11 liter inline 6, is their longest produced engine, still having been in production for a longer period than the V8 even after being discontinued in favor of the 12 and later 13 liter inline 6s. And in the railway world where I am also active and interested, plus the marine world, they had some oddballs like the D800 series, Starting with the Scania Vabis D802, well, 801, but that was a woodgas engine, so nvm that. The D802 was an Inline 8 cylinder that powered busses, railbusses, locomotives, boats and other big vehicles. Then came the D811, D812, D815, all very similar except the D815 was turbocharged and made 220 horses instead of the D812s 190 horses. Under the name Vabis, which they kept even long after the V8 introduction, they did absolutely have a brand image.

[@philbitu]

Elias, I just couldn't believe when he said Scania had nothing special before the V8. Shame.

[@Tramm454]

Heritage - yes. Saving space - no. Because cabs are the same for inline 6 or V8, doesnt matter. And volvo has also same size (16 litre) engine but its inline 6, the floor height in the cab is same no matter if Inline 6 or V8 Yes, new Scania S series has a flat floor but it all sits higher and it doesnt matter if its R6 or V8 engine you pick for your new S series.

[@RWoody1995]

I was thinking something was off... second video of this guy's I've watched, he seems to just make assumptions that sound legit on first glance and reel them off like facts without any real substance to it.

[@airdad5383]

Bridge formula in the US makes cabovers useless because of axle weigh limitations. I would like to see the 770 HP Scania engine in North America even if it was used by some other manufacturer than Scania. Scania also makes single axle drives that can take that 770 HP without having a tandem.

[@KagetTadashi]

Actually, there is another manufacturers that still uses V8 in their product line up, even as standard. That being KamAZ and UralAZ (or just stick it to Ural) of Russia and also MAZ of Belarus. Those still use the V8s and V6s produced by Yaroslavl Motor Plant or YaMZ and its sister, Tutaev Motor Plant or TMZ, but the exception of KamAZ, who had their own V8 which is known as 740 series. The 740 history dated back in 1969 as a economical and smaller engine of her sister, the 238 series of YaMZ. The 238s was a 14.86 liters V8 which has 130mm bore and 140mm stroke, meanwhile the 740s was a 10.8 liters V8 that has 120mm bore and 120mm stroke. The last is the 842 series of YaMZ, later known as TMZ-842 'cuz production of the 17.24 liters V8 who have 140mm bore and 140mm stroke was moved to the Tutaev. The V6 as I mention earlier is the 236 series, which has the same bore and stroke as the 238s, but because they are V6, it only has 11.12 liters. Those three salvo is an example of any last existing V8 engines for trucks and buses in the world, but, because they basically a Russian or to more exactly, a Soviet, not everyone know about it. They still have good emissions, with Euro-5 compliants and a further development into a Euro-6 is still under work. Nice video there, mate 👍🏽

[@mann_idonotreadreplies]

Cool story bro.

[@12oach]

Something I don’t see mention of in the comments is why is the V8 so loved and used. Torque delivery. Right from the get go. At 1000rpm they have about 75% of their maximum torque. And you don’t have to rev the engine out of its brains to get the power. Which means when doing 90kmh and with the overdrive active. You still have all the torque ready not needing to downshift and still haul it up the hill easily. Which makes the driving more comfortable as well. Including that deep rumble it’s phenomenal.

[@G55STEYR]

It's about power. That's why it's stated on the cab proudly. So a V8 can have more displacement for the same relative size, and more power

[@Twisted_RC]

I grew up around trucks with my Dad being a Driver here in the UK. At all truck shows Ive ever been to Scania V8's are always to most incredible trucks. The power, sound and looks are just amazing. Quite simply the King of the road👌

[@mdlclassguymdlclassguy6488]

Nope no way a conventional Pete or kw is the king of the road and that will never change, I liked the view out of the cabover s and the manuverability but that was all the conventional puts the engine out in front of you when it belongs and when you are craddled between the front and rear axles you simply can't beet the comfort

[@johan.ohgren]

@@mdlclassguymdlclassguy6488 In the US perhaps. But in Europe Scania is the King.

[@Twisted_RC]

@@johan.ohgren Agreed, Petes and KWs are cool. But to big for European roads. Can't he the king when your to big to be used.

[@Twisted_RC]

@@mdlclassguymdlclassguy6488 I think petes and KWs are cool. They're just to big to be practical here in Europe. Can't be the king here if they can't be used.

[@garethifan1034]

Twisted RC - Completely agree, there's nothing to beat the big block Scania

[@CS_247]

I drove a Scania dc1622 V8 hauling race cars around Europe for many years. What a beautiful engine, I could listen to that baby floating along on boost for hours. Miss her.

[@mallry1]

I have been Lucky enough to drive a couple of v8 scanias a 08 r560 and a 2015 r520 but I have mostly been driveing with the inline 6 engines i currently a 2017 r500 and after almost 200k miles i love this truck it does get good fuel mileage

[@kenneth6382]

Thanks guys!! 2 thumbs and 2 big toes up! Nice condensed version of Scania history.🧐

[@eggbirdtherooster]

It’s not about the roads are smaller.. the truck lengths are more strict.. but Europe is very divided in that.. if you take the average Scandinavian truck, American trucks are looking tiny lengthwise, height and also I thought weightwise. Btw, in Europe Mercedes Benz and MAN still has also V8’s in their lineup. Correct me if I’m wrong…

[@johnphillips222]

Scania I6 engines are coming to the USA, because of Traton. People can see these engines in the greater South Bend, IN area. Note that Traton is using the I6 engine, not the V8 engine for the US market. The Tier 1 and Tier 2 suppliers are already making parts for the Scania I6 engines in the US market. This has been going on for 3+ years.

[@12345anton6789]

Scania has a 13L I6 that produces 550 hp, a popular engine choice for many European trucks

[@johnphillips222]

You are well informed. That engine is now being tested for use in the US market. We see that engine all over northern Indiana, in the Denver area, and Arizona. That 12.7L is popular, but most Americans know little about it.

[@ThePussukka]

Great video but crazy that you hadn't heard of Scania, we in Europe have certainly heard of Peterbilt

[@darrenhenry9734]

Scania to the world! They found a niche that suits them and outright mastered & perfected it.

[@TheRealPOTUSDavidByrd]

The Peterbilt on the Italian road 😂 reminds me of the scene from Best Top Gear (2002-2015) where Clarkson drove an H1 Hummer around some British towns

[@realmadridsi]

I work as an Engineer at Scania for over 10 years now and there are a few small corrections I can give. The main reason why you really only see Cab over Trucks is not necessarily due to the small roads but due to regulations (which I guess is in the end due to the size of the roads). But the main difference between North America and Europe is that the maximum length of a truck in the US is WITHOUT the cab while in Europe the maximum length is WITH cab. This means that if you have an extended nose like a North American truck it will cost you cargo space in Europe. There are some changes in regulations coming where the length of the truck can be a bit longer if this space is used to increase safety and efficiency so we can see some trucks with small extensions in the near future in Europe (probably especially for EVs). The second point is that the V8, as you mention, is kind of a prestige product next to the standard line 6 for Scania. Only a small percentage of all trucks sold are actually V8 and the fast majority we sell are line 6 engines.

[@Lost-In-Blank]

@Dust Runners you should probably pin this comment at the top since it is from a Scania Engineer and he's explaining why they do it. Also, he backs up what you said in your earlier video about the supremacy of the inline 6.

[@marcstlaurent3719]

I used to have a Mack cab over with the 500 hp v8 , that truck made 420 to the wheels and it pulled hard it was also the quietest truck I owned as the engine noise must have left the back of cab as it was very quiet compared to every conventional I was ever in .

[@manitoublack]

glad you made this followup

[@Joel.V.]

if you want US reaction of scania drivers, contact Donnegal escavating sevices in Chicago, they run multiple older scania's, and still buy them today to run daily

[@LuisGarcia-ug3cs]

If you travel south of the border in México you be amazed how over the years North American Trucks where the top sellers, but lately new dealerships from European Trucks are selling their Big Trucks like Scania, Mercedes-Benz, Man, Volvo, and Volkswagen

[@KolyanKolyanitch]

VW trucks? That's something new. Never seen one for 27 years of living in Europe.

[@aleksanderqpantev8754]

@@KolyanKolyanitch There are VW trucks in South America I think they are made in Brasil.

[@Tgaguy33]

I have driven the 113M V8 450, 114M 530, R580 and R730's. love them all, I have also drive the inline 6 113M 380HP with the big turbo and it was as good if not better than most 410hp trucks.

[@tommeiner9983]

There's no such thing as "113M 450" and "114M 530". It's 143M 450 and 144L 530.

[@Tgaguy33]

@@tommeiner9983 ah yes correct. My bad. Wow that a little quick. 113. 11ltr 3 series 6 cyl up to 380hp. Then 143. 14ltr V8 3 series. Think they started at 410? Then if I remember the first 530 was a 144? The company I drove for got one of the first 530's. Last one I drove about 7 years ago was the 730 before we ended up in a CAT 630 with a 18spd. Hated the CAT after the 730.

[@tomnorthcutt4754]

love these vids bro!

[@patriksjostrom3808]

Great video . In sweden we drive drawbar units and they are 24 or 25.25meter about 82 feet (25.25 m) if im not wrong. The combination consists of a 3 axle truck with a 5 axle drawbar trailer, the total weight of 60 -63 tons (120 000- 126 000 pounds). This combination wasn´t shown in your video only the smaller versions like tractor trailer. We have a fleet of 6 Scania 24meter (78 feet) with a total weight of 60tons and they are all V8.

[@ram89572]

He probably didn't know to look for that style of truck layout. I know of it from my time playing Euro Truck Sim 2 but that concept is pretty odd to Americans. We do have what we call "straight trucks" over here (which would be like your rigids) but we don't attach trailers to them. All of our trucks over here are either just the straight truck by itself or a combination tractor trailer.

[@boosteraxledoesstuff2769]

Scania actually has a presence in the US however they only sell engines for mostly marine applications

[@Aussietrucker]

Scania has a huge presence in the marine market my old boat has a Gardner 6LX built in 1960 came out of a London bus and it still blows modern engines out of the water for reliability and fuel economy.

[@johanruiter5848]

Marine version is up to 1150 hp yes

[@boosteraxledoesstuff2769]

@@johanruiter5848 Imagine if someone managed to do engine swap with a scania V8

[@pompy65]

In marine applications you don’t have problems with cooling you can get plenty of fresh cold water from outside.

[@johanruiter5848]

@@pompy65 the problem is not the engine power but the gearbox can't handle such power on the road they say. In the water its different.

[@Lost-In-Blank]

Buried below there is a comment straight from Scania: Geert Kraak 4 months ago I work as an Engineer at Scania for over 10 years now and there are a few small corrections I can give. The main reason why you really only see Cab over Trucks is not necessarily due to the small roads but due to regulations (which I guess is in the end due to the size of the roads). But the main difference between North America and Europe is that the maximum length of a truck in the US is WITHOUT the cab while in Europe the maximum length is WITH cab. This means that if you have an extended nose like a North American truck it will cost you cargo space in Europe. There are some changes in regulations coming where the length of the truck can be a bit longer if this space is used to increase safety and efficiency so we can see some trucks with small extensions in the near future in Europe (probably especially for EVs). The second point is that the V8, as you mention, is kind of a prestige product next to the standard line 6 for Scania. Only a small percentage of all trucks sold are actually V8 and the fast majority we sell are line 6 engines."

[@F14foreverF14]

Since you've covered Scania in this vid, it's only fair you also show some love to Mercedes-Benz Actros. Where am from Actros just dominates everything else, like 90% of semis are Actros and remaining 10% are Axor.

[@MrJokkoma]

Interesting detail whit Mercedes truck is that they use v6 engine's also. It would be interesting to know how they perform.

[@petterdass1243]

I don't think they use v8 anymore.

[@Stefan_xd]

What you mean out perform, my father drives Mercedes Benz New Actros, 476 hp, and he always complaints about the gearbox

[@robhajdu3392]

Great videos and i learn a lot!!

[@jayrichards3672]

Although not as popular, there was a second stab at cabovers with the freightshaker Argosy which usually had Detroit series 60 not a v-8. I have enjoyed watching truck racing the Scania from across The Pond.

[@al-lal]

Another good video, just a couple notes, no overhead camshafts on those engines yet. On your video about the in-line six engines you mentioned one cylinder head, and a few seconds later you show somebody assembling an engine with individual cylinder heads, so many have multiple heads. And the heads on the V8 Scania were interchangeable with one of the inline six engines, as long as the depth of the groove for the sleeve accepted it. Unfortunately we never had the V8 Scania here in Argentina, only the 11 (first) and the 9 (more recently) liter engine. Our rules aren't as strict with the Power/weight ratio since over 90% of the towing is on flat land, we do have very bad roads, that sometimes get very sandy and older trucks, like the Mercedes Benz with the OM352 engines struggle. By the way, in Europe, Mercedes Benz has a few V8 trucks, and some V6, in the US, they don't offer them in their Freightliners.

[@SevenENG]

I drive an 18 ton rigid 4x2 based on a Scania 250bhp 9.2L I5 diesel over in the UK. In my 7 months experience with it so far, the engine has enough power for the type of work I do with it though sometimes you do wish you had a bit more. To drive it is very smooth, aided by rear air suspension, even smoother if you have it up front as well but mine isn't specced like that. Everything in the cab is within reach where you want it to be, to live in I'd like a bit more room to stand up in but that's the only downside. Plenty of storage and easy to look after.

[@jamest.5001]

You gotta admit they are awesome looking! And They would make an awesome box trucks, or dumpers..

[@olivergunn2796]

Should be noted, the vast majority of (semi) trucks in Europe use 13L I6 engines including Scania, it's only their 16L engine which is a V8 and probably only makes up less than 5% of their total sales It's only really Volvo and Scania which offer 16L engines, Volvo can have up to 750hp with a I6 and Scania up to 770hp with their V8 These engines only have a business case for over size/heavy haulage or 60+ ton (132,000lbs) configurations used in Scandinavia (and else where) However they are still used in general haulage for the purpose of vanity

[@electroniccheeks]

It's better to have the horsepower and not need it. Then to need it and not have it.

[@olivergunn2796]

@@electroniccheeks running around Europe at 40 or 44 tons, you never 'need' more than 460hp but more is nicer

[@electroniccheeks]

@@olivergunn2796 People's needs are different. 😉.

[@GdaySport]

Been driving trucks in the UK and Europe for about 20 years now, and Scania and Volvo are both by far the best available over here. It's not because of the Scania V8 either - Volvo only does inline 6 cylinder engines in their trucks. It's simply the better quality and assembly. I've had many other trucks (DAF/MAN/Iveco) and they all fall to bits after a while (especially the interiors). Also, the Volvo and Scania seem to have much more power (even though the manufacturers of other trucks claim they are the same) and go down the road better (handling / suspension, etc).

[@peterbrundin5164]

Interesting to listen to. One big thing that Scania didn't work in US was because of our modular system that you short mentioned about that was something that wasn't welcomed eg. Scania have the lodular system where you can take parts from and build your trucks. There is parts that is common between the v8 and the straight engines. In order to minimize varieties of the same part. That was one part that wasn't taken due to the us market want to pick the parts they want and not just limit to the Scania mudular catalogue.

[@grimz928]

If we had these in the US I would definitely jump in one

[@gmc8092]

Sweden has no narrow roads, we just need to get our 132277,36lbs of wood out of the forest from our gravel roads, so we made the best truck for that...

[@kdlehel]

Scania Is a legend. They design the trucks are stable, reliable and are just awesome. Has haritage of corse. But is I hear about Scania or i see it its meen power on the road. Has inline engines too on smaller truck versions, But the v8 just power. Better than enything. Has grate sound ultimate power and performace. Are T series scania trucks too what has so called nose mounted engines. All V8. Here if i see a Scania what is a lot, that one hauls something heavy.

[@norioxoximeikushi7741]

I moved to Vermont in 1989 and drove for Wilson Trucking out of Pittsford, VT. Not only did Bob Wilson have a fleet of Scanias, he also owned a Scania Truck dealership. I enjoyed the Smooth ride of the Scanias as well as their incredible turning radius.

[@TrucksScaleModels]

Thank You for Your comment. Is there the Kenworth now there? Do You maybe have a contact of Mr. Wilson. I have seen that USDOT was closed in 2000., There is company with one truck on name Wilson in Pittsford now, maybe it is related? Thank You in advance.

[@norioxoximeikushi7741]

@@TrucksScaleModels Yes. The KW dealer is where the former Wilson/Scania was located. Rumor has it that back in the mid 1990s Bob Wilson filed bankruptcy and moved to Florida leaving many people unhappy. I don't know if the the rumor is true or not.

[@justinjheijnen]

Overhere in holland, it’s just in the cities where we can’t have big trucks. Sinds 2002 we drive outside the cities with 25.25m which is 83ft. We haves tests with 34m, 112ft on the highway.

[@tonymunn]

They sound cool too.

[@1989Goodspeed]

Cool video. Speeking of brands, dousent the SCANIA bage look familiar? SCANIA was a division of SAAB. At one point it was refered to as SAAB-SCANIA but they were split appart when SAAB was sold off to GM and SCANIA to VW.

[@UnionThugg]

The last Class 8 OEM to use the Cat 3408 was Peterbilt, in 1986. It was still offered (though rarely ordered) in certain motorcoach and large fire engine applications through 1995. Cat discontinued the 3408 in 2005, but still provides parts and service support for them. The later 3408E models would've been way too much engine for a typical OTR/Highway application. Kenworth offered the 3408 through 1982 in the last A models, and the C500A "Brute" through 1985. The big V8 was also offered in the K100C through 1984. They did not offer the 3408 (or any 6V/8V92) in any B cab model from late '82 and up, nor any K100E model from late '84 up.

[@robertberes7402]

Good video! But a little note. Scania has in its line up the DC9 5cylinder engine up to 320hp for buses and smaller truck, then the DC13 straight 6 from 360 to 540hp, this the common engine in europe, and then the top of the line V8s, 590-770. And in Scandinavia they use 60ton truck, in europe 40ton. Thats because Volvo and Scania make 16liter engines. In europe the V8 truck was not a rarety, Iveco, MAN, Mercedes(even had V10), Renault (with Mack V8), Scania all made and used V8s, but around 2010 all was phased out, because lack of demand or, the tighter emmision norms. Scania is keeping its heritage alive, and in Italy they sell a lot of them, because V8.

[@Joran_DR]

You have instead of the S/R variants (cabover) also the torpedo or T variants wich are actually conventional cab-trucks and can be popular in the US or Canada.

[@Slaktrax]

Nice video. The world is bigger than the USA. Scania probably make the best trucks on the planet. But V8s are also used by Mercedes and MAN and others.

[@seanthe100]

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[@Joaofigas1]

As european truck driver been driving a Scania R620 v8 since 2007 and the thing was beast all the time , i have done things with "her" without any problems witch with other brands i probably wouldnt be able to do , economy , confort , speed , power , if you can try a scania , try it , you will never want anything less than it ( have atm 1.500.000 kms and still runs very well , company will put it apart in the future though saddly)

[@MrAtlantis95]

Thanks for explaining the differences between US and European trucks

[@johanwallqvist646]

V8 Scania SOUNDS so good!

[@mylesmooney7505]

Absolutely super trucks , plenty of power , smooth too .. full of safety Tec & very relabel too

[@OliverMoore1973]

Hey that was a handy little video man... I'm a truck driver and always wondered why other truck makers were giving up on the V8 configuration but Scania kept it up... I think Volvo also runs with a V8 but that's about it... I've noticed most American trucks run straight 6's but I think, depending on make and model you can option a V8...

[@Dillon-em8sg]

I dont think volvo ever had a V8, Mercedes, Man and Iveco used to but not volvo

[@OliverMoore1973]

@@Dillon-em8sg Thank you my good man I stand corrected... I just researched the FH16 750 and discovered to my surprise it is indeed a straight 6... I assumed at that capacity and HP rating it would be a V8... That's a big 6 alright... I know off the cuff the Caterpillar 3408 is an 18 litre V8 and of course the Scanias with similar HP to the Volvos are V8's... learn a new thing everyday...😉👍

[@EliKirkMusic]

Why? Because they kick ass that's why!

[@johanruiter5848]

Drive a V8 620hp here in europe with livestock or fridge with meats mostly from ireland to italy. Its 10 years old bit stil runs and pulls great. Engine has not been rebuilt and good maintenance will get you great milage out of it.

[@tommypatterson48]

I drive a Scania 6.20hp V8 and it sounds great that's a big thing here in UK and Europe is the sound of the engine is brilliant it's hard not like it

[@stevenlatham4397]

I’d love to find one of those old 4x4’s

[@dumyjobby]

I have been a truck driver and had the luck of driving a scania r580, V8, 16.8l manual beast. I loved it more than any other truck I've ever drove. The sound and the feeling of the V8 is like no other l6 engine

[@tommeiner9983]

It's either 15.6 or 16.4 liter depending on wether it's a Euro 3 or Euro 6 R580.

[@dumyjobby]

@@tommeiner9983 you are wright 16.4. i didn't remember right

[@Johnix65]

As a Scania Mechanic i have to correct you: the DC16 doesnt have dual overhead cams. They have one individual cylinder head per cylinder, so it have never been overhead camshafts on a Scania V8 But on the other hand, the new inline six that scania released a year ago, has a brand new design with dual overhead cams and «jake brake», or as we call it, decompression-brake. This engine is called DC13

[@garethifan1034]

The latest 770hp version of the Scania has 2729 lbs/ft of torque, even more than the 750hp Volvo FH16..at 2620 lbs/ft

[@kr9181]

Volvo is great too. Actually both Swedish trucks. I don’t know why Volvo don’t supply that d 16 engines in US.

[@garethifan1034]

@@kr9181 I think they do supply the D16 for you guys? Just not at the top 750 power output they do here in Europe

[@Dwohman]

Average conventional sleeper truck is somewhere between 200 to 237 inches. An example my Volvo VNR is 200 where my previous Volvo VNL was 237. Biggest reason for owning a shorter truck is I drive mainly in Chicago. So it pretty much depends on application.

[@stevepeat1719]

I'm sure other people have said this but I thought Scania actually started with a conventional for their V8? It was certainly one of their options and I 've seen the odd one on theroads here in the UK -mostly on articulated tipper duty! I don't know why they didn't sell these models in the US ?

[@MaxFerreiraFoto]

Small correction: V8's are not the main format for Scania. Actually, Scania has produced mostly i6... and V8 was for the flagship models.

[@scottturcotte1860]

One of the other things I also recalled being said about the Scania trucks back in the day, when they were being driven here in the US is this, they had synchronous transmissions.... so while they may not have had the power of the average bigger American engines, they had enough power to do the job and along with not needing to be double clutched, were making a killing on the fuel economy side of the game... I have heard they were solid trucks and the owner operators that drove them liked them for what the key features did for their bottom line. You can bet if Saab Scania does something specific in anything they build, you can believe there's a good reason for them doing it. Our roads may be big enough for the average big trucks in much of the US, but there are still some little old old towns in the Northeast with roads still sized for not much more than the original horse and buggy they were built for... having cabovers or stub daycabs for these places isn't a bad thing... I don't miss trying to navigate a big sleeper truck into a small town that wasn't built for that size of vehicle... and I am talking about 48' trailers then, I can't imagining the troubles all the folks using 53' trailers have these days!

[@MrNurdler]

The reason SCANIA has predominately pushed the V8 platform forward is because it is the best all round truck engine ever built. From the 141 that conquered the Middle East to the current 770s it is unsurpassed.

[@mechntechbeau]

Tatra also uses V style engines although they are usually air-cooled

[@id10tcertified]

The 1980’s Mack Superliner used a V8 Scania block, the name was embossed behind the starter motor.

[@greyfox79007]

The real reason for cab overs truck length allowance in North America. Before the 80's the entire truck and trailer was a factored, then it was limited to mainly the trailer. Which allowed longer trucks, and easier maintenance was the real reason the cab-overs are gone.

[@id10tcertified]

The cab suspension on Scania and Volvo cab overs makes them way more comfortable that any conventional and that’s in Australia where we actually drive them hard... I personally prefer the extended Peterbilts but that’s just for looks.

[@rikgoldsmith7211]

I Drive a Scanica here in England. Absolutely Brilliant Trucks mine isn't the V8 but still Drives very very nice. Comfortable bunk, Turns on a penny. Love it. ❤

[@aaroncone6778]

The largest collection of Scania trucks are in New England, up until mid 1992, when word came down, that they were to be no longer sold in North America (because of an extremely small dealer base, and high tariff rates at the time).