Why Does So Much Great Goth Rock Come from Finland?

[@hietalamari1301]

As a Finn myself I can tell that yes, there is some melancoly and darkness in our culture and especially in our music. Our history is not been so easy because of cold climate, dark winters, several wars during history etc. and hard life in general. 😅

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

Thank you. I couldn't be sure without hearing from the real deal. 🙏🤘

[@SK-nw4ig]

Dark winters are one factor. Our history also might play a role, it has been pretty harsh here untill very recently. Especially combine those two and you get this culture we have: Sisu, silence, getting through no matter what. Can be a bit toxic too sometimes. Also i would say our oral tradition contributes to our musical talent in general. Traditionally Finland has passed on stories and information in poet singing form for hundreds, thousands of years. We didn't really write finnish until fairly recently (500 years ago the written finnish was developed, and not all people obviously knew how to write anyway in looo-oong time after that either) Poem singing tradition lasted untill about a hundred years ago and is now being sligtly revived. I personally think this has an effect on the talent aspect. Also we are very practical people, so learning how to do something really well if you are interested in something is very common. Shout out from Finland 🎉❤ Check out Hanoi Rocks! Idol for guns and roses for example.

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

I want to visit and hear the poet singing! 🤘🇫🇮

[@SK-nw4ig]

@@heavymetalphilosophy Cool :) One example of poem singing here. Relevant is you sing one line and then others repeat the same line - and you go on like that. This is easy way to learn stories, as you repeat everything. There are also things that will make it easier, words will be often chosen in a way so they start with same letters or so, for example "vaka vanha", väärin väännellevi" or "suulla suuellevi". Not only stories but spells are done similarly. There are official rules to the length of the words too nowadays, called Kalevala trokee. But naturally people would use practical length how it suited them. We have few different melodies that all of our traditional stories (over 10k of them recorded in couple of last hundred years from poem Singers) can be sang in, you just choose your favourite :) pretty cool. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKfbpqFuadCHgqs

[@SK-nw4ig]

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[@heavymetalphilosophy]

@@SK-nw4ig wow! Thank you! 🙏🤘

[@Gibbetoo]

in my city here in Finland (about 7000 people) there is huge folk music scene and music is taken seriously in school, those who don't like folk music go for rock and metal. from this small town comes huge amount of pro musicians per resident. people goes Sibelius Academy and other academies. almost every people i know can play some instrument often multiple.

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

I wanna visit so bad now. 🤘🇫🇮

[@Alexandros.Mograine]

Its crazy how much people generally/casually listen to metal in Finland. im 23, literally like all my friends dress up like "zoomers", listen to mumble rap and all that shit but still most of them listen metal like 15% of the time. Its hard to realize just how casual it is unless you experience it. its a huge contrast to america, i have also lived there.

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

That sounds like heaven! 🤘🤘

[@Vanhapjuuma]

Hehe that's true. Some of my friends that were all about hip hop are now listening to Amorphis, Dark Tranquillity, Children of Bodom, In Flames etc. (more melodic stuff but still). They do listen to rap anyways but have admitted that they "secretly" love metal.

[@gregorkippa6399]

Poisonblacks first album Escapexstacy is top tier.The finnish metal,goth etc music is my jam .loving this ep ! Im actually quite surprised you mentioned Charon and To/Die/For. they weren't huge but there music is holy fuck good

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

Oooh. I need to check that out. Thanks for the recommendation! 🤘

[@gregorkippa6399]

@@heavymetalphilosophy enjoy my friend :D if you like Charon then you’ll recognise the singer … long story but after the 1st album Villie Laihiala (sentenced) takes over from guitar to singer/guitar . Love controlled despair is a top tier album then it goes downhill for a couple of albums . Loses the Finnish vibes and becomes more American . Then the last album to date comes back with a bang , very mature goth rock . You didn’t need my rundown but I’m passionate

[@lulugallo7032]

Thank you for being awesome !!! 🤘❤️🙏🖤✌️

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

Thank you Lu! 🤘

[@lulugallo7032]

@@heavymetalphilosophy You are very very welcome & it's my absolute pleasure!!! 🥓 ♥ & my awesome 4 🐶 dogs all send you 4 wagging tails & 4 double high fives!!

[@Ari-gm7pr]

In proportion to the population, Finland has the most metal bands in the world

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

I need to move! 🤘

[@MY1BLACKCAT]

Finnish metal bands are actually what started me listening to metal more than any other kind of music

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

Yes!! 🤘🤘

[@lexluthor6497]

Sorry🇫🇮

[@helenakoivisto4459]

Welcome to the Tuska festival.. I think you'll feel like you've come home.

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

I wanna go! 🤘🤘🇫🇮

[@DanielGenis5000]

Hey man, this show is great. I was just in Helsinki and saw this super gothic dude, got curious if I’d seen someone interesting and your show came, and I’m staying. Personally, I’m not much beyond a Metallica listener, but I like to learn

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

Hey thank you! And welcome aboard. 🙏🤘

[@DanBeauleArt]

One of my favorite bands are from there. Before the Dawn.

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

So much greatness! 🤘🤘

[@castiron9002]

I do love turisas! Good vid btw

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

Thank you! 🙏🤘

[@briankessler3501]

Samaal is a cool metal/progressive band from Finland. Svart Records has bunches of good, semi-obscure bands on label, lot of metal, prog, punk.

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

Will have to check them out. Thank you! 🙏🤘

[@jeremysanders8766]

Finland, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden no shocks there🤘

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

Indeed! 🤘

[@ArchieArpeggio]

Well we have long roots for good rock bands and one of the most famous that started rock scene in big way was Hurriganes at 70s. Here is link to one live track "Get on" kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2LTgaqkls2Sm68 After that started to come more bands like Hanoi Rocks that is huge influencer for Guns n Roses and basicly all glam bands. Singer Michael Monroe and guitar player Andy MacCoy are still making music. This is one of the most known song "Tragedy" kzbin.info/www/bejne/l36Xc6Sjh6Zsja8 Peer Gunt is also big band from the 80s. Big influencer to many bands. I think they were very big in Germany. At least they are great. This one is "Backseat" kzbin.info/www/bejne/apOupZ6BnpWAlac Then there are lots of rock/metal bands that have influenced at least other finnish bands. Zero Nine "White Lines" kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaa8gHWKh9WXgaM Stone "Get Stoned" (you might know this from Children of Bodom "covered" this one Roope Latvala played in Stone as he was young) kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXfSdX1opshrd68 Waltari "Death Party" kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4W0hqyLqdyffbs Kingston Wall "We Cannot Move" kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKHQiIaYaMuId6s Scene is huge i think all these bands deserves to be heard globaly and are big part of finnish rock and metal history

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

Thank you so much. This is very informative and you even provided links! Thank you. 🙏🤘

[@ArchieArpeggio]

@@heavymetalphilosophy You are welcomed! Yes, easier to watch trough the links and it was fun to watch those videos after a long period for myself too 😄. I was surpriced that no-one had mentioned these legends in the comments. I´ve been metalhead since my childhood (i´m 42 now) and i know hell of alot about finnish rock & metal and also from rock and metal in general. So it´s nice to help people discover "new" bands to listen.

[@paulchilds393]

i think it must be the Finnish Enviroment (long dark winters), history and their dna which resonates and pulls them towards creating and embracing very cool dark heavy music.

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

I need to visit Finland! You know... In the Summer. 😆🤘

[@VompoVompatti]

@@heavymetalphilosophy Around midsummer (so when I am writing this) there are numerous music festivals all around Finland. It's usually a good time to visit Finland especially if you are coming over mainly for the music scene.

[@alexperry4691]

Ive been listening to quite a bit of Goth Rock lately, id recommend Grave Pleasures and a British band called Naut. I agree tho, Unto Others defo offer the best of both worlds.

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

Ok will do! Thanks for the rec. 🙏🤘

[@skenaari]

Sir, check Luna Kills, Shiraz Lane, One Desire, Merta, Huora,...

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

Ok! Thanks! 🙏🤘

[@artrza5312]

the 69 eyes sounds like sisters of mercy(awesome) but with more metal😂😂🤘🏼

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

I'm always for more metal! 🤘

[@pahis1248]

Or is it something like we do not really think so much Genres? More open to do what ever? I do not know?

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

Whatever it is, y'all keep doing it! 🤘🤘

[@leopartanen8752]

I think Finland is more famous about power metal and folk metal, and pretty much all kind of melodic metal; also melancholic doom metal. 🤟

[@k.l.7788]

Nightwish ❤

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

🤘🤘

[@toinenosoite3173]

If you like rock, listen to Disco Ensemble. Unfortunately, they don't exist anymore, extremely big sigh! Just great songs like e.g. Black Euro, Bad Luck Charm and We Might Fall Apart. About your theories, I think you are right in there being a lot of high level music education in Finland both as regards classical and other music, and those two don't shut oneother out. Again, I don't believe in the "long dark winters" theory at all. Simply because we also have really long summers. Thus, they even each other out.

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

Thank you. I'll check that out and thanks for the insight. I really wanna visit one day and see for myself.

[@toinenosoite3173]

@@heavymetalphilosophy And then you should think about when you want to visit: In summer when you may have problems with sleeping because it is too bright all the time, or in winter when it is fairly dark for about three months in Helsinki, and even more in the north. Myself, I recommend coming during summer - especially because there are so many festivals at that time.

[@finnishculturalchannel]

I'd add to your list, that Finnish bands aren't particularly genre oriented. Here's some songs you might have missed. Some are essential in Finnish music, some tell about the history of Finland, some are melancholic, some might be joyous, some perhaps Metallic. Nils-Aslak Valkeapää - Beaivi, Áhčážan, Nostatus - Korjuu, Loituma - My Kantele (Eriskummainen kantele), Värttinä - Liigua, Hakkapeliittain Marssi with English Lyrics, Kauan on Kärsitty - Finnish Guard Marching Song (Lyrics), Jean Sibelius - Finlandia, Finnish Army Song - Jääkärimarssi, Finnish Army Song - Muistoja Pohjolasta, Leif Wager - Romanssi, Finnish Folk Song - Säkkijärven polkka, Teijo Joutsela & Humppa-Veikot - Tulipunaruusut, Reijo Taipale - Satumaa, Einojuhani Rautavaara - Piano Concerto No. 1, Lasse Mårtenson - Myrskyluodon Maija, Blues Section - Semi Circle Solitude, Isokynä Lindholm - Jazzikansa tulee, Hurriganes - Get On, Piirpauke - Konevitsan kirkonkellot, Pekka Pohjola - Sekoilu Seestyy, Kaseva - Syksy, Juice Leskinen - Jyrki boy, Briard - Philosophy, Eppu Normaali - Njet njet, Hanoi Rocks - Tragedy, Musta paraati - Hyvää yötä, Dave Lindholm - Pieni ja hento ote, Yö - Joutsenlaulu, Eppu Normaali -.Joka päivä ja jokaikinen yö, Anssi Tikanmäki - Aamu lakeuksilla and Kingston Wall - Shine On Me.

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

Wow! Thank you! 🙏🤘

[@mclyric4l]

We have good music!

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

Yes!! 🤘🤘

[@DavidMadeira29]

...But I never heard of a russian girl driving a japanese Skyline who had an american boy.

[@SK-nw4ig]

I found all-female lebanese death metal band "slave to sirens". This is a country where some tribal mom cut her daughters throat when she was raped so they would'nt get shamed because of the daughter. All be it that is not the norm obviously there, but islam being the biggest religion, black/ death metal coming from there in general is bad ass, and female metal is beyond coolness. Also inspired by events in Iran lately i checked out Iranian black metal, and there is PLENTY. Go check that out. People will rebell, always!

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

Wow! I will check those out.. Thank you! 🙏🤘

[@karingoodman4999]

Scandinavia is bringing hair metal back too reckless love santa cruz 🇫🇮 crashdiet crazy lixx 🇸🇪

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

Can't argue with that! 🤘🤘

[@hextatik_sound]

Actually there are very few goth rock bands here in Finland. I mean famous bands. We have lots of heavy metal bands, black metal bands, death metal bands, progressive metal bands, symphonic metal bands etc., but not so much well known goth rock bands.

[@lujalainen1]

i think metal and dark music is opposite power that finland was sometime suicides second country after japanese. heavy music fighting against darkness and bring people hope.

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

It certainly helps me. Thank you. I didn't know that about Finland.

[@xYarbx]

For all that enjoy Finnish death metal here are some more names for you to enjoy - Bloodred hourglass - Mors Subita - Deathchains To the question that you presented to Finns me being one of them. I don't think there is anything special in our water that makes us produce better metal. Metal is just more popular here than it's in other places around the world so we end up with more metal bands and so if the quality spread is same as everywhere else we will end up with more good & great bands than rest of the world. To highlight this... It was normal for people who dressed like rappers were fine and even sometimes suggested metal in house parties. I bet not many rappers in America could name or want to name Dimmu Borgir, Dio/Rainbow or Dope these are all request I have heard form such people.

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

Makes me wanna live in Finland! 🤘

[@cinderellaandstepsisters]

Nordic countries are western countries.

[@wolverine669]

You want some more Finnish metal?? How about...... Silentium The Man-Eating Tree Lullacry Before The Dawn Wolfheart Battlelore Torture Killer Necropsy Barren Earth Counting Hours End Of Aeon Ghost Brigade Hallatar Kaunis Kuolematon Marianas Rest Paara Rapture Pressure Points Red Moon Architect Shamrain Shape Of Despair The Ghost I've Become Lucidity Yearning Shadrcrown Mercury Circle Solothus KYPCK Shades Of Deep Waters Earthbound Machine Hanging Garden Morbid Evils Altar Of Betelgeuze Just to mention a "few"..... 😂

[@heavymetalphilosophy]

Yes!! Thank you! 🙏🤘

[@osk9013]

Open-minded education system? Drums and guitars appeared in school music classes quite early. Melancol and dark mindset?