Ranking Black Metal Bands by how POSER they are

[@WhoAmI-ds9vc]

Darkthrone is the true black metal spirit. The guys just don't give a shit if anyone likes what they do. The polar opposite of selling out. I definitely don't like everything they've done, but I respect the attitude

[@acouphene01]

Calling Darkthrone a "poser band" is poser behavior

[@magnusmaul5447]

I respect everyone's opinion, but I WILL say Darkthrone is my favorite band and I like all their stuff.

[@magnusmaul5447]

Also, I agree with you on Mayhem. I respect totally their undeniable contribution and importance to the genre. However, I rank Mayhem--again, just my own personal tastes, to each their own--below Darkthrone, Burzum, Immortal, Enslaved, Mørk, and Taake. I guess I just find them kind of one-dimensional and less interesting than bands like Burzum and Darkthrone. Also, I enjoy Ghost. Apples and oranges talking about them in a Black Metal context.

[@raakareiska9804]

Bullshit. They are doing these records exactly cause they sell even they would be total dog crap. All the fanboy collectors are going to still buy all them color vinyls just to show off in Instagram. They do not have any kind of "attitude". People argue they are against the trends but its pretty naive not to see they are the trend. Everyone of their latest albums have been praised eventhough no one really cares about them after few years.

[@raakareiska9804]

@@magnusmaul5447 Mayhem has been trying to make the same album for 20 years. Have listened one song from each of their latest records and nothing has improved. They are professional musicians with good skill level but the ideas have been stuck in this same limbo forever

[@berserker2551]

In short,everyone is a poser,even the posers are posers of the posers👍🏻

[@berserker2551]

​@@Farvann I wonder how long people will continue with this "Poser" nonsense Personally,I find it pathetic on the part of Metalheads It even bores me just listening to it..........🙄

[@noneofyerbeeswax8194]

P0ser!

[@42studios98]

​@@berserker2551 sounds a bit poser

[@berserker2551]

@@42studios98 Glad to be one of them.............🙄

[@42studios98]

@berserker2551 Oh GET over yourself. Metallica is the only good metal band.

[@jedwalker4543]

Darkthrone cannot be posers. It’s says on the back of the album that it is True Norwegian Black Metal.

[@PsillyApeUSA]

😂 self proclamations are always gonna get peoples attention

[@seth-eh4fp]

how about a band called "the black satans" they are so cool you must check them out if u don't know them

[@jedwalker4543]

@@seth-eh4fp can’t they’re too scary.

[@guitarz-g9w]

🤣🤣🤣

[@BluntStop]

@@jedwalker4543 Soulside journey still slaps

[@brukernavn3409]

The DSBM icon is just a person commuting to work.

[@Oldwitchcoven]

Is that what makes them so depressed? 😅

[@archthrone5815]

Damn right, it’s what I’m doing right now

[@Dayone-j8n]

At some point people have to be their own person and stop caring about what other people think

[@mightyturkeyneck1349]

Nah, it's a boxer drubbing the hangin bag.

[@weirdlasw2348]

@@Oldwitchcoven especially when all the seats are occupied and they have to stand for entire trip, so they arrive at work already exhausted.

[@guitarz-g9w]

Ghost is closer to Rihanna than it is to metal

[@SBrown-ti8xe]

Yessir you should be top comment

[@guyfawkes8873]

Also Rihanna is good too 😂 as is ghost… and Django Reinhardt played a mean jazz guitar. There are other genres of music than black metal, deal with it 😂

[@guitarz-g9w]

@@guyfawkes8873 you kinda missed the point. Read again :)

[@sonjal.3704]

Lol no. They draw from more traditional metal and rock, especially from the 70's. Just because it's catchy doesn't make it Rihanna.

[@leightaft7763]

Thank you!

[@TheTrueMattiMan]

4:47 scratching invisible balls

[@PIZZAdayisback]

🤣

[@prometheusboat]

*stimulating

[@PriscillaSoaBem]

fondling

[@therealelizabethsmallwood]

XD XD

[@PIZZAdayisback]

@@prometheusboat both

[@denudenovsky]

Compass is indeed a word that exists in the English dictionary. You're a poser for not knowing that.

[@damaslan2246]

Was about to bring my son to the park and saw the notification. He went on his own, he will do just fine.

[@daograiders]

Yea, give him some leather & denim and boots and he should be fine indeed👍

[@morbidcorpse5954]

You got a Spartan child. Watch him come back with a skinned wolf's hide around his shoulders and a sword and shield. 😮 🤴

[@pastromer8552]

not me thinking the DSBM logo was someone punching a punching bag 😭

[@scorpions1965]

I was trying to figure out what band it is😂

[@NephilimOrnias]

😂

[@noone3992]

The most poser thing here is a grown ass dude in a room full of band posters judging what is and is not real black metal.

[@noone3992]

@Farvann miss click lmao

[@PeteHuu548]

Not putting posters just because you're certain age is quite poser! (In metal standards. It might be The True Daddy though.)

[@unluckykeys]

honest to god though, i didn't realize metalheads were still gatekeeping morons 😂

[@masterked1140]

I dont understand how the og second wave black metal bands could be considered "poser". Like, what even is black metal then?

[@qriofficial1769]

Yeah it's insane, people even call Euronymous a poser when he was one of the most important figures in the entire scene! They should really find another word for people they just don't like lol

[@raakareiska9804]

@@qriofficial1769 he posed to be harder than he really was

[@trashydaze3761]

The scene was mostly made up of a bunch of nerdy, rich suburban kids who were deserpately trying to seem edgy and dangerous. Seems poser to me.

[@fatdelinquent85]

A punk is only truly punk if he denys punk in itself.

[@Tethrys]

Blasphemy came roughly 2 years after Mayhem, and managed to influence waaay superior bands in the future than any of the second wave Norwegian bands.

[@OddTastySausage]

People who said Darkthrone are the real posers.

[@raakareiska9804]

How many colored vinyl editions you bought from their latest dog crap album? If not all then you are a poser. Also you should praise their dog crap lazy riffs as "masterpiece"

[@borist.]

Me before starting the video..."i should write how disappointed i am that my band isn't in the list"...me seeing my band in the list 👁👄👁 HAHAHA

[@lukamctrollface3706]

Omg Boris🥰🫶

[@ian.swift.31614]

At least you know what you are. This thread is an excellent demonstration of the falses having an e-circle jerk "ironically mocking themselves about what they truly are". It doesn't get much more twisted and convuled than your demographics thought process. I saw one of your videos a few months ago skipping about some european metal festival acting fey.

[@ian.swift.31614]

yeah i said convuled instead of convoluted, deal with it big B.

[@borist.]

@@ian.swift.31614 Bro wanna hug or what lol

[@borist.]

@@Farvann always the same mistake damn!🤣🙉

[@innowrun]

only posers judge people for what they are listening to

[@unluckykeys]

damn straight

[@lm7_gio]

I think only non-metalheads could possibly think that Ghost are a metal band.

[@fcamiola]

Ghost IS a metal band, but they are so much more than that.

[@andrewjackson2843]

The only Ghost I like or have ever liked were a rare old polish DM band from late 80's/early 90's. Had a demo called "Noc Demona" very cool shit

[@MuitoNormal]

Ghost is Metal in some pieces of music. But is not a Metal Band.

[@dantesabbath2107]

Ghost IS metal bro, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't. The whole idea of ghost is rock opera and metal instrumentals which makes it metal

[@marcp.1752]

Never liked 'em, its like pop for the masses...tf?! yawn.

[@oleksandrbyelyenko435]

I love Dimmu Borgir and Cradle of Filth and they are primarily Symphonic to me. Maybe poser Black, but top notch Symphonic

[@raakareiska9804]

They never claimed to be hardcore satanist's or threat to kill people so they are not posers. Poser is a dork that poses to be something he really is not

[@alexunder4304]

@@raakareiska9804 Lol. Actually early Dimmu Borgir was satanic AF. They have photos with inverted crosses and pentagrams.

[@therealelizabethsmallwood]

I like them too, but then I really like symphonic metal. Was just jamming some old Dimmu this morning.

[@georgecostan3248]

They don't even label themselves as black metal anymore and Dimmu always encouraged people to support black metal bands, which is a cool thing to do, since they were the biggest Norwegian band out there.

[@SleepBeforeYouThink]

I really like Behemoth and there album Evangelion. Specifically Ov Fire and the Void. But I’m not a Black Metal guy, I just like dark themes in music from Bathory to Joy Division to Sisters of Mercy, it all sounds good to me. So if Behemoth or Dimmu Borgir is “poser” then so be it (Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia is kickass btw).

[@gurgleglottis6289]

Poser Black Metal must be a new style of music. So we need a video '"How to write a Poser Black Metal Song in 5 minutes" :)

[@chrillzilla1268]

Now i want to see farvann's aproach to that. 🤣

[@PIZZAdayisback]

Take black metal, remove a couple distortion pedals, done

[@morbidcorpse5954]

😂 a couple distortion pedals ​@@PIZZAdayisback

[@PIZZAdayisback]

@@morbidcorpse5954 tbh I don't make black metal but I might need to do that with my tones (Listen to a "Bilehound" song if you don't believe me)

[@dsbm87]

@@Farvann Some fans of black metal are actually pretty messed up in the head, and I guess I'm one of those types. Something is seriously wrong with me and probably will never be okay... I'll try not to be such a dick 🤣

[@uba754]

If Kanonenfieber is a poser band then I’m a fucking poser. Band is amazing.

[@jeroen0011]

They're funny for sure but far from Trve Cvlt which obviously isen't their aim the way they dress etc., like the Alestorm of black metal lol, some stuff even has more of a death metal sound (both vocalwise and instruments) and even breakdowns sometimes so I understand it got in that category.... that being said I would love to see them live one day but don't rly know how often they play outside of Germany, but yeah guess I'm a poser as well when it comes to black metal lol

[@Landvermesser16]

Kanonenfieber sucks ass. The guy behind it is a rich arrogant kid whose millionare parents payed for all his expenses. If you look at the music, it is basic as fuck. Just powerchords and some simple melodies mashed together. Lyrics are poorly written. Production is good tho thanks to daddy's money. If you like to listen to some war-themed Black metal, id recommend 1914 and Minenwerfer. These guys have actual talent unlike the poser and mgla copycat from Meddlfranken

[@lordveznan9896]

The problem is no the band, its just they call themselves Black Metal when they clearly are primarily death metal. That being said they are still a hella amazing band but as long as you don't run around screaming: " I am such a Black Metal Head I am so Kvlt I listen to Kanonenfieber !1!1!11!1" you aren't a poser for just listening or enjoying their music

[@uba754]

@@lordveznan9896 I think that is a great point that really highlights the problem with the video entirely. Any of us that enjoy black metal already know the "trve" bands, Darkthrone, Burzum, Mayhem, blah blah blah. What is even the point of the video if it's just to repeat it? Black metal has grown in different directions since then with plenty of amazing bands.

[@TedvonKloggeren-h4f]

They sound like melodic death metal to me

[@1337rage]

Noise (the man behind the project Kanonenfieber) never said that Kanonenfieber is Black Metal. He calls it blackened Death Metal, which i think, describes it well. Calling them posers feels wrong, but i can surely agree on good for beginners since it has some good sprinkles of black metal riffs in it to make beginners getting used to black metal.

[@Jerseyboondocks]

Exactly I also heard them say they are blackened death metal but...to be so concerned of what is supposedly poser or not up to standards with black metal just feels so, effeminate or feminine, to me.. like something a female would do ( I'm a female so whatever) lol

[@gnipacave]

‘fieber is better than the vast majority of bands out there right now.

[@mega-meth]

Exactly, they're blackened death metal with a specific theme. I speak German and Kanonenfieber means a lot to me in that way. Idk.

[@vladimirtretyakov3911]

I thought for a long time why you don't like Polish music, and then I realized that you were talking about "polished" sound. Sorry for my English

[@kingnotail3838]

He's just waiting to invade again

[@DoomedOak]

the most real setence of farvann being ""stop spending time on tiktok my friends, it makes you more happy""

[@wheelsofmercury]

I do agree that Alcest isn’t really black metal in the traditional sense, but they still have black metal parts. I call them “blackened shoegaze”, but they are still a very incredible band.

[@Ekaidseaky]

They are the ultimate example of black gaze

[@Mp57navy]

The genre is called Blackgaze.

[@saxönsplitter-o1n]

​@@Mp57navybut "actually" blackgaze would be stuff like Darkspace, maybe Paysage d’Hiver?

[@wheelsofmercury]

@@Mp57navy I know.

[@neonwitch1449]

​@@saxönsplitter-o1nno. Darkspace is just atmospheric black metal and dark ambient

[@thekeefer690]

Nathan Explosion: We are here to make coffee metal... We will make everything metal... Blacker than the blackest black, times infinity

[@diante698]

Nathan: "I, a poser? Hold my coffee."

[@Kanonenfieber.official]

Poser-Tierlist achievement unlocked! 🔓

[@burdyyyyyyyyyy6047]

POSER, Spaß mach weiter so

[@Oudenophobiaoffical]

AYEEEEEEEEE KANONENFIEBERRRR

[@fbiopenup8371]

Love u noise

[@SavageZoom]

I'm 45 years old and I've long, long, long since moved on from the nonsense of "poser" labels. What really matters is the music. It matters little what they wear. That kind of label is a bit like putting yourself on the same level as the general materialism in all aspects of society.

[@unluckykeys]

damn right. this topic is a shitty one because no one wins when everyone has their own dogma about what's metal and what's poser. it's fucking stupid

[@Salvator_Satane]

Other than the DSBM hate I mostly agree, but idk how u hate DSBM for being too easy to make when we both know how easy regular black metal is to make.

[@PIZZAdayisback]

It's not as interesting

[@reelredroom]

Easy to make, but not easy to make well. And that can be true for pretty much any punk/metal adjacent genre

[@hypovolemic]

@@PIZZAdayisback With bands like Bethlehem, Silencer, Suizid, Forgotten Tomb etc existing, there sure is very interesting and unique DSBM bands. I'd put them higher than in poser tier. Although yes I'd argue most of the genre as a whole is pretty boring unless you're into that type of sound.

[@PIZZAdayisback]

@@hypovolemic I'm personally more into thrash, prog and death metal so it's not like I can fairly judge BM but I've heard a bit (if sepultura's first album counts)

[@hypovolemic]

@@PIZZAdayisback Early Sepultura is arguably more similiar to the first wave of black metal, same category as Sarcofago, Venom, Celtic Frost, Bathory but the genre has changed quite a lot since.

[@melvinfz0301]

Who in the blue hell could think that Burzum is poser? One thing is dislike Varg as a person but Burzum first 4 records are amazing.

[@shawn-t9d]

no,《Belus》《Fallen》《Umskiptar》 are the best Burzum albums

[@ilkvomit88]

Facts !! LONG LIVE THE COUNT!!

[@Justinsox39]

Varg is a great man

[@FortressofShred]

Varg is faker than Lee Press-On nails 🤣

[@ilkvomit88]

@@FortressofShred it's easy to sprout crap about him now.. But the dude was a master of his craft in the early days of the scene. And that is something you can NEVER take away from him.

[@Eilandfreier364]

Grausamkeit is great. I live in the most southern part of the black forest in Germany with my terrasse facing towards the treeling. Nothing better than sitting with a cold beer in the hottub while listeing to grausamkeit.

[@burdyyyyyyyyyy6047]

Yeah that Sounds nice

[@Yoshi92]

2y ago I was on vacation in the black forest and since there was no internet I only had one album on my phone. When the Night Falls by Severoth. Sitting stoned af on the porch, watching the black forest and listening to my fav album... was pbly the best listening session I ever had. The mountains/hills are fkin magical, no matter if down in the valley or at the top. I always have to smoke one at epic spots in nature, and in the black forest I had to stop for a smoke like every 500m, that's just how fkin dope the black forest is! 🖤🌲 (Yes, had portable ashtray with me and yes, I'm fkin jealous you get to live there! 💀)

[@burdyyyyyyyyyy6047]

@@Yoshi92 Austria and Overall South Germany (Near the Swiss Border) is also dope. They have a lot of Castels, nice mountains and overall nice nature ( i live there so you can trust me)

[@Eilandfreier364]

@@Yoshi92 Sometimes you'll listen to certain albums at a very specific time in your life which makes them extra enjoyable. The black forest is very dear to my heart since I walk my dog there almost daily but the most magical forest I've ever been to was Algonquin Park in Canada. If you haven't been there you should give it a try. And don't forget to bring you Severoth album with you :)

[@Eilandfreier364]

@@burdyyyyyyyyyy6047 I moved here about two years ago. I lived in Vienna before that fro almost 10 years, now I live in a tiny village of 300. It's a change for sure but one I don't regret so far.

[@Fafnl0]

the entire saarland black metal scene from the 90s - early 00s is top tier, you should give his other projects a listen as well as the other guys stuff.

[@johannesswarts1440]

this is silly - people sitting around discussing what is doom/death/black/blackened/etc/etc metal, who is/isn't, how many percent poser they are, who has gone up/down the metal hierarchy, etc, etc, etc. Like 12-year-olds arguing who would win a comic book hero fight.

[@johannesswarts1440]

Listen to Sex Pistols - no gradient, no poser... simple.

[@mightyturkeyneck1349]

But it can be fun to debate topics.

[@unluckykeys]

​@@mightyturkeyneck1349this isn't a fun topic to debate because everyone has their own personal gates to keep in metal, and no one can be convinced of anything other than what they already believe. hell, just calling shit out as being poser or not is in and of itself a declaration that "me more metal than you, me have all the answers"

[@d1slexycpengu1n]

Ghost is the most Black metal Band on this list :3 It only loses to imagine dragons

[@BObbert179]

Don’t forget nickelback, the true GOAT

[@17rainbowxen]

Forgot to mention weezer tbh

[@mysticprophecy5395]

Babymetal too

[@stann_darsh]

Ghost is the only black metal band on this list

[@Eye_Exist]

In my terms 'poser' means someone who desperately tries to appear "black metal"; trying to appear more satanic, nihilistic, evil etc. than they actually are for being acknolwedged by the genre/scene. drifting away from the genre or becoming too polished are two completely different (and separate) things for me, neither good or bad inherently. it's all about how well it is executed. some do it just to appeal the softer mainstream listeners which would be bad, others do from the heart because they actually have more things to give musically, and that often is very good. good examples for the latter being Dimmu Borgir and Bathory.

[@Inthebreeze00]

So all black metal then. Because let's be real: there's nothing genuinely "evil" about dressing up in dumb costumes and playing music. The whole black metal thing is just larpy poser nerd metal for edgy lotr fans or nazis

[@FreyjaJ]

Perfectly stated. I was about to post the same. Always frustrated when bands who progress in their sound beyond one genre get called "posers." By that reasoning, most every band ever pretty much deserves to be called posers.

[@kdaviper]

Don't you know you can't be black metal unless you record in a literal dumpster!?

[@adama7774]

Your first paragraph just described pretty much the entire black metal scene. Especially everything Varg was ever involved in.

[@FreyjaJ]

@@adama7774 I would respectfully disagree about the whole scene (at least once a lot of them grew up), but agree about certain people, including the one you mentioned. But lots of the bands genuinely care about the music they make and the reasons for it. 🤘

[@mej684]

I have no problem with polished black metal. I play raw for my drive into work but I want something smoother on my way home.

[@UnlockingYourEnergy]

Definitely agree that different genres are better for different times of the day. I listen to 90s pop in the morning. By noon, Im Gorgoroth. By evening I'm ambient harp music.

[@Øystein-h7w]

Me neigher. Not as like problem. Still i think Behemoth is to mutch fast tempo death influences i like more atmospheric style . That said they`re awsome live i just cant settle down and by a album of them kinda . So to me ultimate album from Poland be exercice in futility by Mgla

[@MaggotKebab]

Tbh some of the raw, shit production stuff is just down right unlistenable, especially when you can't even hear the drums

[@Øystein-h7w]

@ - True as play/played drums myself i can total agree to that . But hehe sry cant help it! . I Still find it worce when the problem is that you can hear the drums.... Metallica st. anger

[@forest.of.eternity]

2:22 pun intended? 😂 “i can nazi why burzum…”

[@scorpions1965]

Damn I’m noticing it now😂😂

[@GloomTombProductions]

"Anne Frankly, I dont understand why people dont like Varg"

[@timmi_white]

HAHAHAHAHAAHAH

[@MarcusAsenlund]

Yeah 😅

[@TheVirus-pr8zw]

The Anne Frank story is a lie, written in ball point pen before ball point pens existed.

[@oldencreek6587]

Dimmu Borgir should be in "too bad they changed". I really love their Spiritual Black Dimensions album. Yea', I know, the keyboards make them "symphonic black metal", but then what does that mean for Windir which has accordions and keyboards in some of their songs, or Belenos which bounces back and forth between bm vocals and clean viking vocals and acoustic guitar?

[@InfidelAmsterdam]

“Making a tier list is the least creative thing one can do”….. Many youtubers, take note!!!

[@wormfost5578]

Dimmu gets a lot of shit because they’ve evolved but they have an amazing body of work and can’t be discredited. I hold them very high as artists.

[@FreyjaJ]

Thank you. Ranking them below some of those other bands is madness. Their early stuff is most definitely symphonic black metal, and they were no more "posers" than any other band in the genre.

[@devendasmusic]

Same bro

[@MrJibsIV]

The thing that cracks me up about Burzum is Varg made 4 of the best atmospheric black metal albums ever. Then he proceeded to talk about how much he hates black metal.

[@FreyjaJ]

The Thulean Poser. 😄

[@gadpivs]

Yeah because atmospheric black metal basically didn't exist before his albums. He practically invented the concept by taking raw black metal and mixing it with other genres, like ambient music. So when he trashes black metal, he's mostly talking about everything that tried to imitate what he did later on, but paled in comparison. He's probably too close-minded overall, but you almost can't blame him.

[@saswatsinha5270]

I had to subscribe! The way you broke down the entire strata of this list and emphasized the musical aspect of these bands, without gatekeeping, was enough for me! Black metal is an on-and-off phase for me. I listen to thrash a lot, a bit of heavy metal now and then but there are periods when I immerse myself in the Black genre. Glad to see someone being civil about this topic.

[@therealelizabethsmallwood]

The codger's paradox - the older you get, the less you GAF about 'being cool' or what others think, and you just do / listen to what you enjoy...therefore becoming cooler.

[@superboyprime5043]

Dimmu Borgir is my favorite Black Metal band next to Mgla. I like their unique sound that blends orchestral/symphonic and black metal together. As someone who also enjoys classical music i think it's a cool fusion genre.

[@lokeforce]

PEM and spiritual album are masterpieces.

[@alexsitaras6508]

Still enjoy their 90's and early 00's from time to time

[@alexunder4304]

@@lokeforce Spiritual Black Dimention is not only best sympho-metal album, it's also one of the best albums in rock music in general. Riffs, drums, vocals, solos. This album is classics.

[@lokeforce]

@@alexunder4304 yeah its a 10/10 album, need to listen it through again. Perfect for working 🤣when i think of black dimensions i think of the sound of this album. I did a piano tutorial of the insight.. on my KZbin channel if you wanna check it out 🙂

[@fcamiola]

​@@alexunder4304I love Dimmu but I have yet to dig into SBD. I will....

[@TheSaiyanKing]

I don't agree, and I'm actually curious about your "more polished sound = not Black Metal" thing. By that logic, wouldn't Mgła be considered "not Black Metal", since Age of Excuse and even Exercises in futility are a lot more polished than Groza or their early EPs?

[@annah.9116]

I consider Mgla a great Black Metal band, even starting a new branch: "Polish Black Metal". They are a bit more melodic but still raw.

[@mleszzor6866]

@@annah.9116 There has existed Polish black metal before Mgła. How did they start that "branch"?

[@jsviktor5]

you should have putted burzum in poser so varg starts a twitter fight with you XDD

[@frogoree]

Carach Angren not being considered in this list is a travesty, probably the most poser black metal band I can think of lol

[@Ustash88]

Where is Marduk, Gorgoroth, Watain, Enthroned, Inquisition ?

[@CHA0S_L0RD234]

My opinion on Behemoth, good music, just not blackened enough if you get what I’m saying. They’re more death metal to me, still good music as I said, just not black metal (after the first few albums is what I’m talking about they did start off as black metal)

[@raakareiska9804]

Frontman is acting like teenage girl doing internet drama about evil christian gym's. So much for his credibility

[@symptomofsouls]

@@raakareiska9804 Nergal is an asshole

[@ian.swift.31614]

Behemoth has had a Jewish lawyer for decades. Free Palestine.

[@SleepBeforeYouThink]

@@raakareiska9804so nothing to do with the actual music.

[@epidemicmagick]

First few albums were actually more death metal, just the perspective on what death metal is has drastically changed over the years. I always saw Behemoth as Deicide that wanted to be Dimmu Borgir.

[@DeadCelt]

People call Cradle and Dimmu poser because their music is 1000 times better than the “hardcore” BM bands.

[@herecuzimbored7057]

as someone who likes depressive black metal, 90% of it is garbage and appeal to posers. Bit of a shame but u just have to ignore it

[@tmsplltrs]

Yeah it feels hard to get into black metal t’s either crazy good or really weak. The difference in quality already between equally iconic artists like burzum and mayhem is unheard of in other genres I’d say

[@Necro-Sadist]

Alot of bands who make depressive black metal dont even call themselves dsbm they just get labeled that like the band bethlehem alot of people call it dsbm even though it never even existed when the band made music

[@lordsatanas696]

Loved the early Dimmu’s so much. I’d put them under ‘Too Bad They Changed’. Agreed with the rest of the list tho.

[@FreyjaJ]

Same. They do not deserve to be ranked below those other bands. I like what they put out in the 1990s and early 2000s. After that, not so much. But I listen to the early stuff regularly.

[@Thecynic100]

Enthroned Darkness Triumphant, Spiritual Black Dimensions, and Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia are all solid albums

[@RedEbSeb13]

This definitely takes me back and I’m happy that I grew out of that way of thinking. What year is it? Just listen to your sounds.

[@AlexZen-c8b]

Actualy the guy behind grausamkeit has way more projects and a few of them are nsbm like corneus or jæw atomizer and his wife died in 2013

[@creepyplayer1]

My top 3 Black Metal: 1 - Burzum 2 - Darkthrone (first 4 golden albums) 3 - Dark Funeral (A Few Albums)

[@Flolfywolfy]

Though I agree with the Dimmu take, Stormblast is still one of my favorite albums in the genre. Fantastic sympho black. Hell, everything up till Enthrone Darkness Triumphant is brilliant.

[@ramonpreuth9300]

What is the name of the Song at the end ? 12:18

[@tostap4ne]

Seelenwanderung by Durbatuluk

[@alexunder4304]

Instant like for Burzum. This man is a music genius.

[@DDD3STR0Y]

I can understand why you think DSBM is poser, but man, I still like it. At least a couple of bands, like Xasthur or Sacrimoon(album of 2017, of course), really good. I don't count Lifelover, Shining or Psyhonaut 4, because it doesn't even remotely resemble DSBM. But there are good groups in DSBM, there is no denying that. ^_^

[@raakareiska9804]

Cause they pose being all depressed, anxious and suicidal but real man would have already killed himself instead of writing songs about it

[@Agalloch1234]

Melancholie 2 by Coldworld. One of my top ten favorite black metal albums ever and it’s DSBM. Literally a perfect album.

[@SirMisanthrope]

​@@Agalloch1234I LOVE "We are doomed" from the Isolation Album, such a great atmosphere. I even had to cry listening to it the first time 😮😅 Great artist!

[@Eli-pr4gm]

What would you consider Lifelover and P4 if not their own kind of DSBM? I see no other genre fitting better Sort of agree with Shining, it's not really DSBM but also has its fair share of parts of it

[@petera6355]

@@Agalloch1234 this album is one of my favorite album too, but I think it is no DSBM any way, it is atmospheric black/dark ambient

[@NerglethVonDiesel]

Nonsense...you just try to divide metal community and call some of them true metal fans or not. It reminds me when years ago there was a group of "true" metals and we call them a "Metal Militia". It is riddiculous. None of us should be treaten this way. Every metal band is unique and gives us something - lyrics, music, some kind of art. We have a lot of metal genres and some band are just in the middle of everything. We can talk about that, but the only thing we should always do is to sneak up above the horizon and try to understand what stands behind the band. Gather the people, not divide them. Metal music is supposed to unite, not divide.

[@Сашаромисмерть]

Cringe ,

[@dannebergh]

if you like it you like it if another person dont you still like it so it doesent mather wat other peoples think for you in the end is what i think dont mind me

[@morpheus-nebuchadnezzar]

Miss me with that gay shit

[@mightyturkeyneck1349]

​@@Сашаромисмерть 🦃🦃 the CRINGIEST fellers are the fellers who is always using "CRINGE" as an insult. Just sayin. No hard feelings. 🦃😈⚡🎸🤘🦃

[@SIRebrum]

Anybody else got *Behemoth* Sponsored Ad in the beginning of this Video lol❔ 💀

[@M3taV3rzum]

Farvann is a poser himself

[@Thrillhouse84]

Dimmu was great back when Vortex and Mustis were still in the band. They were my intro to black metal and theyve got some good stuff

[@to_manoeuve]

Is that a swastika in Zimorogs band logo?

[@flatheadgg2443]

Well no but actually yes, it's a slavic sun rune.

[@to_manoeuve]

@@flatheadgg2443 yeah such things are always highly sus. Even more in the context of a BM band... either you do a background check or you ignore those bands to save time and nerves

[@summoningfiststoheaven]

@@to_manoeuve Was wondering if I was the only one seeing this. And I do agree 100%, if I'm seeing this, it's either background-check or skip right away.

[@mydnytdeath]

Looks more like a Black Sun, another symbol adopted by and repurposed by the nazis. Unfortunately, BM has a bit of a nazi problem. Extreme music tends to attract some unsavory people.

[@mleszzor6866]

Did you know the swastika, or rather a symbol representing the sun (that is "genetically" related to the shape of the swastika), was made up in most civilizations?

[@DiaboluusIscariot]

Grausamkeit auf nem Farvann Thumpnail? Damit hätt ich nicht gerechnet, vor allem weil es eine meiner top 5 Black Metal bands ist!

[@heybra8941]

Behemoth is probably one of the most underated bands

[@FlabbyPigLegs]

What's the background song?

[@Farvann]

Several songs from "Erzähle, Baba Jaga"

[@FlabbyPigLegs]

@@Farvann thank you thank you!

[@IanForonda-u6m]

I know a lot of people like what they are currently doing, and I like some of it myself, but I'd put Darkthrone in the "too bad they changed" category. A lot of bands have copied what they did in the early to mid '90s and have done great things with it, but I can't help but imagine what Darkthrone would have come up with if they did not break away from, and continued to develop within those extreme limitations they imposed upon themselves.

[@FreyjaJ]

I agree. Vastly prefer the early stuff from them. I listen to (my favourite black metal band) Djevel and occasionally wonder what might have been for Darkthrone if they'd kept the foundational second-wave sound but progressed in their composition.

[@bluenothing_666]

Frank Riegler created Kanonenfieber as an accessible and well marketable project and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't remember Frank Riegler/Noise ever claiming that Kanonenfieber is Black Metal. Yes, it was published on Black Metal Promotion, but they even upload Doom or Death Metal sometimes. It's like the next logical step for someone who started with Sabaton, got bored but still liked the energy of it. His other side projects work the same way, Non Estus Deus is like that for bored Behemoth fans, and Leipa is like that for bored DSBM fans. I'd say it's like the musical equivalent of a bridge. His other early projects, Nemus and Dreamshift sound exactly like his current stuff, but lacked that aspect of "spiritual succession"/bridge

[@tobias3023]

Different question: Where do you know his name? Has it been an open secret already on who' behind Kanonenfieber?

[@d_6639]

@@tobias3023yeah its a deathcore poser from south germany

[@FranjoSchuddebeurs-Thorn]

how do you know noise name ?

[@metal_monocle7334]

@@tobias3023 No, but it seems like it's common'ish knowledge in Germany. And it is Riegler indeed, his wife - Sabine Riegler - is even listed as the contact person on the Noiserecords site.

[@saxönsplitter-o1n]

Well, one could argue that calculated accesibility and market conformism in this degree actually is "wrong" - obviously not economically, but at least artistical and also especially from the historical perspective regarding the WWI theme.

[@christophernatale7436]

Farvann is great…….. it’s just funny that he thinks he’s old. 🤣 I’m 49, I’m OLD in his eyes.

[@michaelgiesler1896]

Yeah, I am always smiling as well, remembering having seen live Dissection, Cradle of Filth, Dimmu Borgir in the same evening back in the 90s. ;-)

[@lamenzies]

😂 I know, right? I remember calling certain punk bands posers 40 years ago. This all deja vu to me now, but will always be entertaining.

[@ЦветановЦинзев]

When is going to be your new durbatuluk album

[@adama7774]

The less poser a band is, the more poser that band is

[@blinkbomb]

Exactly Kanonenfieber is death metal. I totally get the pop music category because to me they’re like a extreme metal digest. Nice to relax and chill to. Not bad stuff at all and very catchy!

[@BarBarian-sy5xz]

I’ve liked Grausamkeit (B.S.o.D) for years. Never heard ppl really talk about him until recently.

[@deadmanisboy2985]

one of his songs got popular on tiktok a few years back

[@BarBarian-sy5xz]

@@deadmanisboy2985Yeah, I just heard that from a comment on RFI. That’s weird, I thought Tiktok was a teeny bopper thing, I never thought something like that’d be on there. Strange times.

[@amazingpasta666]

@@BarBarian-sy5xz It's the novelty of how unusual of an artist it is which was why teens liked it. Obscure, edgy backstory, music that sounds like it was recorded in a torture dungeon. Teens love boasting about their uniqueness in the most shallow ways possible, and something like Grausamkeit is a perfect band to show off just how quirky and different you are by being a listener.

[@BarBarian-sy5xz]

@@amazingpasta666whoa, that’s a good breakdown. Makes sense too. I’m in my 40’s so I had no idea.

[@raakareiska9804]

@@BarBarian-sy5xz It is teeny dopamine junkie app. All these people posting their corpsepaint faces in there are fucking pathetic normies

[@MrYourfavoritezombie]

ranking youtubers by how much of a poser they are #1: Farvann

[@burdyyyyyyyyyy6047]

Poser

[@DOROHEDOROFAN]

@@Farvann heres the extended list: #2: Farvann

[@DOROHEDOROFAN]

@@Farvann 😭😭

[@WitcherShade]

@@Farvann 🤣

[@yalu2]

@@Farvann haha teach us master To be fair, IDGAF how Jared is a poser or not, I think he just makes stuff that's enjoyable on a "low" moment, without too much actual "deep" content. You do you, man.

[@crawlingamongthestars3736]

What do you think of Xasthur? I get trashing most DSBM, but to me, Telepathic With The Deceased and Epitaph are still two of the most genuinely dark albums I've ever heard, and I've heard a lot of shit by now.

[@1790soul]

What about Gorgoroth?

[@NeptuneTowers]

'Ghost is not metal' should be a t-shirt

[@ian.swift.31614]

a youtuber making a tier list about poser bands. ... yeah. 2024.

[@rhythmmmmm.]

Sometimes art needs a little gatekeeping. Or else you end up with metalcore.

[@bagatur989]

Satyricon, Catamenia ??? What do you think. Where should they be listed?

[@kevinerhardthansen9016]

What about Thorns, Satyricon or Necrophobic? What are your thoughts on these 3?

[@ntsHR]

Love the ancient pc case

[@highpriestoftheahricult8144]

Ghost is scooby doo chase music...But I do like Dark Funeral and Emperor a lot.

[@FreyjaJ]

That's such an apt description! This is what I'm going to say next time someone recommends them to me (and I inevitably say no thanks).

[@kylegood412]

Trick subject. Every black metal band are posers

[@huntingtonbeachkbd]

Im trying to get into black metal, so far ive only liked the deathcrush ep and the 2nd 3rd and 4th darkthrone albums. Any recommendations that sound like Transylvanian hunger?

[@FreyjaJ]

Listen to Djevel. The founder's a good friend of Fenriz, and also includes Bard Faust from Emperor. Djevel has no bad albums, just great second wave style black metal. New album coming out next month. 🤘

[@huntingtonbeachkbd]

@@FreyjaJ thanks man, Ill check em out!

[@feodorfiorina7835]

Ulver - Nattens Madrigal, but more melodic. Isvind - Dark Waters Stir. Avmakt is really influenced by Darkthrone - Ravishing Grimness, but great (like Ravishing Grimness). Horna - Kohti Yhdeksän Nousua Maybe you should also check Graupel, Tangorodrim, Tsorer and Clandestine Blaze.

[@huntingtonbeachkbd]

@ rad, thanks man

[@SC-cd8pn]

Listen to Tangorodrim

[@megasalexandrosthegreat]

Ghost didn t even said or tried to be Metal. Ghost is Ghost, like Rammstein, it has its one genre. It borrows elements from pop, altt rock, psychedelic rock, arena rock, all the way to funeral doom or traditional heavy metal. What is important, is that their songs are good, and they are bring more new rock&metal fans every year than most of the old classic bands. A Kpop, or Taylor Swift fan will never get into metal with Darkthrone, but maybe with Ghost

[@jakobhanneman7886]

Blackgaze and hipster black metal are sort of the synonyms of poser black metal , but they are still better than what people call alternative metal.

[@Poisonthroat]

Ahem Liturgy

[@Grayson1996]

ur more poser

[@Elden000]

Well, Farvann, Burzum is not balck metal anymore, just look to Tulhean Mysteries or the musics after Fallen,

[@Agalloch1234]

Sometimes a band is so influential in a genre you associate them with that genre forever, despite if they changed their sound.

[@andrijancosic3507]

I wouldn't call Ulver poser,because they made one of the biggest switches of musical style known to me....but I would say that it is shame that they changed that much over the years...

[@FreyjaJ]

Ja, I miss early Ulver! I mean I can listen whenever I want (and do), but I can't help wondering how they'd sound if they hadn't completely stepped away from their early style.

[@electrik_loss]

I do enjoy some Kanonenfieber, and I think that they're a good introduction for those just getting into more black metal without instantly throwing them into the fire, especially if they're more a fan of death metal. Not my all-time favorite band by any means, but they're alright for occasional listening.

[@wekings9073]

Mistaking "bad" and "newbie" for "poser". Behemoth cleary is the most poser metal band. Only old Gorgoroth comes close.

[@Bourbon_de_Gironde]

I'm a great fan of Kanonenfieber. Period. :) And I am a Frenchman, so no grudge about WWI (or WWII... see you soon for WWIII) [In fact, I'm not a beginner... I listen to black metal since 30 years... and death metal since 31 years...]

[@burdyyyyyyyyyy6047]

Hell yeah

[@Agent_Ste]

Hey french brother. At least this time we are on the same team

[@Bourbon_de_Gironde]

@@Agent_Ste Yeah! \m/

[@feodorfiorina7835]

@@Bourbon_de_Gironde As partly German I am very much into French Death Metal (Mutilator/Mutilated, Catacomb, Mercyless, Skelethal) and French Black Metal (Darvulia, S.V.E.S.T., Cendres, Black Murder, Osculum Infame, Sainte Marie des Loups). But with Kanonenfieber we are definitely not in the same team. The music is a cash grab on clueless individuals (accurately more mass people) with no taste in music except for cheap effects. Don't get into that terrain, it's dangerous. This stuff is in the same league as Metal Core and Melo Death, styles that neither get claimed by Metal nor Death Metal at all. If you say That's my in group - you're out.

[@lefloeck]

Elitists are posers, too. Aren't they? 😅

[@burdyyyyyyyyyy6047]

Yes

[@lefloeck]

@@Farvann 🤝🥳

[@AvarTyrog]

I don't agree as a symphonic black metal fan but I can realy enjoy your videos even if you make tierlists. I usually like stuff with good production more and I know that thats a hot take but I think that filosofem and de mysteriis dom satanas have a very good production.

[@Berbasecks]

They what? And here I am, a polished sound poser who'd maybe actually like Burzum if all of it got re-recorded so it doesn't sound crappy :D

[@FreyjaJ]

​@@Berbasecks I mean, for 1990s Norwegian black metal the production on both albums is pretty good. But I'm Norwegian, so I have to say so. 😆

[@marcp.1752]

People are weird, they bash DSBM for instance, but listening to symphonic bm in general....dafuq! Filosofem was always the best from brrrrrzzzum for my taste. And Mayhem is always Freezing moon with Dead on vocals, not Attila.

[@A7X1977]

i love immortal no matter how cliche it is. seen so many people on reddit talk about how lame they are and overrated they are but i love them. they were the first band i ever listened to when i first started to get into black metal and i stayed with it

[@mattf2967]

I like your list, I really never thought to call Deafheaven shoegaze.

[@horrorhunter0355]

Many people that hate CoF didn't listen to their really good stuff like V Empire

[@Intermentor]

I only like the debut

[@VincentVegardSvart]

For me the best is Principle and Vampire.

[@raakareiska9804]

They cannot be called posers cause they never posed to be evil forest wandering black metal warriors an threat to kill all christians. Same goes for Immortal.

[@chrisgray7737]

My top 2 CoF is cruelty and Midian and I can’t decide the order

[@lucassalazar5458]

You lost me at DSBM is poser black metal 😂

[@kurt-o0o]

Imo Kanonen Fieber sounds… „coherent“. There’s a bridge, a melody, a chorus, a buildup (I love a good buildup) etc etc. too much of metal gives me a headache, scream for the sake of screaming, edge for edginess sake, usw.. Why does random distortion = good

[@kurt-o0o]

@ was feeling zesty

[@M3LP]

Wait wouldn't you fall into the category of Poser Black Metal, your music is polished, and more refined than most black metal out there today.

[@alessandromilan8367]

8:23 caio was supposed to be ciao maybe? ahahah love from italy

[@oleksandrbyelyenko435]

Cradle of Filth started as Death Metal and went to Black. So it is a reverse poser situation

[@dsbm87]

Same for Darkthrone, even Varg admits to jumping on the band wagon.

[@metal_monocle7334]

They were never really either, but always an extreme goth band.

[@oleksandrbyelyenko435]

@@metal_monocle7334 yep I see that. Though their DM demos were good. Low key would listen to well produced Death Metal album by them