Why Does The Boss Never Kill Troy For Being An Undercover Cop? - Saints Row Lore Explained

[@MrWaifuTaker]

Says a lot about Troy Bradshaw, as he was basically the Boss'/Playa's Guardian Angel. Troy showed a lot more loyalty than Julius or Dex ever did, as he was the one who protected The Boss from death on two occasions, and doesn't take action towards the Saints out of guilt and the loyalty he found while undercover. Troy also ordering inmates and guards to leave Johnny alone also says a lot about his character, even if Johnny tried to smoke Troy. That moment when an undercover cop showing more loyalty compared to an opportunist who thinks they're smarter than everyone and a leader who rode the coattails of his childhood friend.

[@theprofessional155]

It’s ironic that the undercover cop was more loyal to you then your own boss

[@MrWaifuTaker]

@@theprofessional155 I know, right? It's just like in The Lost and Damned where a corrupt politician keeps his word compared to a egomaniac leader who drove The Lost to ruin.

[@NFSBeast2365]

True!

[@manuelmoralez2257]

@@MrWaifuTaker exactly

[@og_3rd_st_saint_gat]

I agree with mr Waifu taker but congrats on pinned comment

[@bilboswaggins4783]

I like when Julius says “fuck you say?” Troy doesn’t back down, but when the boss says it people back down immediately. Really shows the amount of respect/fear you hold in the second game and forwards

[@joeruiz4010]

Troy had backbone and integrity. The Vice Kings weren't the "main villain" of SR1. It was Los Carnales. Their Drug Smuggling and Money Laundering is what created all the conflict.

[@flashstudiosguy]

Interestingly, Troy's uniform seems more Saints purple than Cop blue, guess he never truly stopped being a Saint..

[@RazirTheShark]

Which makes no sense for him going to hell. (In my head canon sr4 and srgoh are just movies)

[@t8kabr8km85]

In his own words "you roll with people long enough soon you start thinking like em"

[@NFSBeast2365]

Interesting 🤔

[@TheShadowBrigade]

@@RazirTheShark In my head canon anything after 2 is a movie. Shaundi is the biggest tell IMHO but there are plenty.

[@RazirTheShark]

@@TheShadowBrigade i guess that makes more sense

[@lil2177]

As a kid, Troy was such a cool character cuz he was your friend in sr1, and looked after you in sr2. The playa wanted to hate him cuz he was a narc, but he never actually betrayed the playa, so that’s why he’s pissed at Julius when he sees him cuz he knew Troy didn’t have anything to do with the bomb.

[@buincqv67]

The boss actually planned to kill Troy it’s hinted in a lot of saints , pedestrians, and police dialogues throughout the game on free roam. What changed the playa’s mind was when dex told playa Julius whereabout and how he set the playa up. If it wasn’t for the tape recordings you find in the secret mission “Revelations” The boss would’ve probably went out for Troy. In some dialogues you can hear his Hispanic voice say “Troy better hope he got a lot of protection” and a police officer will insult you sometimes by saying “If you try to come for the chief I’ll gun you down my self” and some saints members will ask the boss at the end of the game questions about going after Troy after you kill Dane Vogel. I believe they scrapped the idea of actually confronting Troy for unknown reasons. Or to save room for a side story in saints row the third but by that game Troy is pretty much left out of the story .

[@takeshikujo2909]

The thing I like about Troy in Saints Row 2, is that the stress between his loyalty to the Boss and his responsibilities as the Chief of Police, really got to him. He looks so old compared to the first game despite not even five years had passed by, not even close! That’s a detail I really enjoyed in this series.

[@TayRich93]

Ikr

[@lollypop2310]

That’s a good point

[@Pxstran]

constantly smoking due to stress. smokes in almost every scene.

[@octm1]

his guilt pushed him to become police commissioner so he could have protection in case the saints wanted him gone

[@skynet1.044]

Stress will do that to people

[@Sephiroth08150]

Sometimes, as a homie when a shootout ends, Troy can say "Once a Saint, always a Saint." These six words sums up his beliefs and he hasn't failed to follow it. Without Troy, the events of Saints Row 2 would never have happened.

[@Genrevideos]

To an extent, Without Troy; Ultor probably would have succeeded in their nefarious plot.

[@buincqv67]

Actually the ending of saints row 1 would’ve never happened

[@Genrevideos]

@@buincqv67 Not really because Troy requested that Julius talk to the Playa but instead of following his request like he asked, Julius went behind his back and…. Well you know the first game ends in a bang. If Troy knew that Julius was going to do that beforehand then yeah you would raise a point. But after the bomb went off and the Playa was assumed killed in action, Troy had to confront him about it.

[@YZY_Fox21]

I don't know if julius didn't blow The boat too playa maybe dead since there's a gun in his head... So this might be confused to thankful with julius by his action or blame him... So Far i'm really blame julius with that.. then I'm surprised Playa can survived the Bomb explosion.... And Julius thought he was dead right then found out Later maybe in the news when he watch tv he see The leader of the saints Wakes up from the coma... And he know Playa Will find him and kill him... Thanks for The troy Saving The Wiretap Conversation so Playa can Know who is the suspect from all of this incident.

[@Genrevideos]

@@YZY_Fox21 well that and he knows that Ultor is going to pose a problem to the city of Stillwater. And he knew all too well there wasn’t going too much the SWPD could do about it without some help. Chief Troy probably got desperate to find a solution to the Ultor problem that he realized he might need to help one of the gangs go against Ultor. He knew the threat that Ultor posed but knew that they would have a better time getting away with what they did because unlike a gang, a corporation like Ultor would have the paper trail to back up their actions in a Court of law.

[@princetoni9425]

You explained this perfectly, you brought everything I wanted you to bring up. 1. Troy saved the player on the street corner 2. Troy tried to pardon the saints and even the player 3. Kept the player on life support 4. Looked after Johnny in prison with his connections 5. Never pursued the saints 6. Denied saints involvement in the casino shooting (despite there being footage).

[@peytongonavy]

Did Troy infiltrate the Saints or do we have a Saint leading The Force?

[@diditagain3.033]

@@peytongonavyTroy infiltrated the Saints, he was undercover from the jump

[@peytongonavy]

@@diditagain3.033 ya I know, but still!

[@CapralHarrison]

7. Leading Boss to Ronin's leutenant Juiddgy (that anonimous call)

[@princetoni9425]

@@CapralHarrison I forgot about that one 💯

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Despite Troy being an undercover cop he was still loyal to the gang and genuinely loved the men and women he worked with and didn't want to hurt them. He wasn't a snake like Dex, and he wasn't wishy washy like Julius who wants his cake but doesn't want to eat it too.

[@NFSBeast2365]

Right

[@justsomeguy747]

I think a key reason for Troy’s behaviour is the fact that he is a cop. He has morals. It’s somewhat like Wei Shen. Wei couldn’t have betrayed the Triads whom he considered friends (Jackie, Winston), and in the end was devastated by their death. Troy did what he could to preserve the remaining Saints, and made sure those he was personally attached to were spared. In some ways, his loyalty to the Saints is somewhat a testament to Julius’ charisma. He affected Troy greatly, even if he wasn’t supposed to care about his friends.

[@bigchungus3023]

Thanks for reminding of that gem that is sleeping dogs wish it gotten a sequel

[@ManavJith]

Considering the fact that Dogeyes was one of the Red Poles in the Sun On Yee, I thought Wei would have atleast brought down the Jade gang.

[@bigchungus3023]

@@ManavJith yeah true same thing applies to Big Smile Lee

[@justsomeguy747]

@@ManavJith Well, Wei did bring down the Jade gang. He just didn’t use his authority as a police officer.

[@ManavJith]

@@justsomeguy747 That's what I said. He did it as a triad instead of a cop.

[@MaidofRage420]

I still find it hilarious that the person who is literally a Trojan Horse is somehow one of the most loyal characters in the series

[@xFlexz3D]

Fun fact: Michael Rapaport was a voice actor in both GTA and Saints row: Gta 3 Joey Leone and obviously Troy in SR1 & SR2. He’s also has small role in a lot of great movies

[@reddsmoke904]

SR1 even had Michael Clarke Duncan. RIP

[@Slimkeen54]

Oh yeah the mailman from next Friday right?

[@reddsmoke904]

@@Slimkeen54 correct. And the white boy that shot Tyra Banks from Higher Learning

[@tankgayle]

He was also 90s sitcom The Steve Harvey show (not the talkshow of today)

[@michaelbreen7865]

Rapaport also played Murray Babitch in "Cop Land."

[@TarTarIcingStudios]

A very in-depth explanation about Troy and why he didn’t sell out the Saints. You could’ve gone with the simple answer but you decided to explain all parts of the answer, and that makes all the difference. The footage you used strengthens your argument, even from SR3. You really did open the floor on why Troy is such a good character standing up to the standard stars like Gat, Shaundi, and Dex. I can’t wait for more content like this!

[@NFSBeast2365]

Amen!

[@SilverNightx1]

Amazing Job of telling why Troy was the most honorable person despite being a rat. Troy was the one that not only save The playa/Boss and Johnny life, but also made sure that they didn't get as much heat as they should've gotten. Also when you think about it he actually was worried for Lin as well. As also being undercover he'd knew the risk and what would happen if one was caught and probably didn't want her to be found dead(despite it being the case). If you really think about it Troy never really turned in his Flags, but instead just took a step back and became their support when the need arises. Which says a lot more than Dex who joined a more powerful gang at the first chance, and Julius who'd basically betray his morals and everyone and became the very thing he sought to get rid of (even after the time skip).

[@NFSBeast2365]

Wow, insane! 😮

[@hartantoanggoro]

He did send an undercover cop to assist the saints when the saint is in trouble. But we won't be able to play the game since it's been cancelled.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Troy wasn't a rat

[@tidan4575]

Exactly Troy wasn't a rat, a rat is someone who is initially on the side of the underground only for them to flip and betray everyone he once called brothers either to save his own skin or profit from it. Troy on the other hand was on the side of the law from the very beginning and was just doing his job only for the gang to grow on him and become a saint for life himself.

[@alifnajmi1997]

It's funny to know that Undercover Cop who acts like a Member of the Gang has more Hustle, Loyalty and Respect than two people who sold out their soul to Company or willing to discard the gang in order to do a petty, selfish things that can save their own skins because Dax & Julius actually the person who The Boss believed in the most along with Johnny than the rest of the members

[@Emmetlovesredvelvet13]

There's an actual reason he never personally betrays the playa. Julius blows him up so he blames Julius as the reason the saints fall he was a coward, as soon as Dex drops his flags and sides with ultor he tricks you into dying in a masako ambush. What puts troy above them both he never wanted to arrest the player, he actually keeps you alive while in your coma out of respect that he still has despite what side he's on, and you can even call him in as a homie it's even implied thier still cool and close friends because even though he's a cop he never held any Ill will towards the playa he doesn't even try to disappear or hide his involvement with them the stillwater p.d. when you wake up. Heck if think about it the only reason you can find the wire tapes and dex's number is most, likely because of him. Unlike dex, a turncoat and Julius,a coward Troy stayed real despite being a cop and still has your back

[@buincqv67]

The wire tape and number was the sole reason the boss changed direction and decided to let Troy live. Up until that point he surely did want him dead. Troy told the boss who set him up so the boss no longer cared about killing Troy.

[@xsizzlexster6495]

You basically just repeated what the Professional said in his video...

[@PmfSwavier]

@@xsizzlexster6495 i was bouta say the same thing😂

[@joshiesworld77]

Another thing that I noticed when first playing SR2 was the fact that Troy is wearing a purple suit showing that he's still a Saint at heart, which makes sense considering all of the evidence you've presented

[@COYBIG1967]

I have never played the game ,knew nothing about it until I seen you play it but I feel how I really understand , that’s a compliment , to take someone who has never played the game and be able to explain clearly kid brilliant. I honestly adore these lore videos

[@gingerben9310]

It's not that bad of a game. It's a crappy version of gta. But still worth playing. I'm playing it again after so many years going to go through them all. Takes me back to being a teen haha.

[@oriellaimperial]

@@gingerben9310 Saints Row isn’t a crappy version of GTA. Say what you want about SR4, but in my opinion Saints Row is better, especially 2.

[@mr.lollypop9752]

@@oriellaimperial IMO, only customization is better. SR2 Stilwater is on par with other GTA maps. Everything else is pretty much of lesser quality (which doesn't mean I'm saying it's crappy). Also, almost every GTA game is a banger. Saints Row only had 2 good games. The upcoming one doesn't seem great, either.

[@oriellaimperial]

@@mr.lollypop9752 I see why other people say GTA is better, but i don’t think it’s fair to say Saints Row is a crappy version it. And I agree, after Saints Row 2 it kind of went downhill. I enjoyed SR3 but it was a huge downgrade

[@mr.lollypop9752]

@@oriellaimperial I never said it was crappy, that was the other guy lol. I just prefer GTA's way of the open world crime sim than SR (again, except for customization). GTA always stuck to their roots, while SR still doesn't know what it wants to be :)

[@saintakins187]

Because Troy Bradshaw is a straight good undercover cop with a good sense of moral values a man of loyalty & honor. Still pissed off at Volition clowns for sending him to Hell in NON-CANON Gat out of Hell along with Tobias & Luz.

[@wintertrooper7918]

Tbf he did betray the saints in a way and betrayed the police in a way too

[@peytongonavy]

With the Earth destroyed, it'd be hard to see him any other way. Also with that game being declared non-canon (by saintakins187, so I believe it) it's impossible to get an Earf back. Did you want to see Troy again or not?

[@nickelakon5369]

Feels like Troy aged like 20 years between 1 and 2, guy looked like he was in his mid twenties in 1, he looks 50 in 2.

[@distinguishedallureproduct879]

Stress and Guilt will def do that too you, like look at Julius, both were hit hard, even Dex....the only 2 who don't look any types of crazies is The Boss (Due to the coma) and Gat due too....well being Gats crazy ass

[@themilkman5004]

A lot can happen in five years

[@saedmax4656]

Probably drank a lot too

[@Thebroshow13]

@@saedmax4656Troy was in his mid twenties , Dex , the playa , johnny were in their early twenties in SR1 , five years later in SR2 Troy gotta be late 20s to early thirties .

[@texanplayer7651]

Those things happen when you smoke like a coal power plant

[@bunnie7187]

Amazing video pro. Troy is one of my favorite characters and this is a great lore video on him. Great work :D

[@theprofessional155]

Thank you bunnie I’m glad you enjoyed it

[@Luico83]

I wonder if they was ever a scrapped mission where the boss confronts Troy. would have been cool along with killing Dex

[@JChaosMaster]

Feels like it seeing as you can unlock him as a hommie. It would have been likely that could been a reward for that kinda mission. At the same time maybe it was cut for the ending..l imagen instead of Julius in the church it was Troy. Semi simpler plot where boss say stuff. Troy says some stuff but not saying sorry but instead how he helped and they get attacked. In the last cut scene we get a line like "we cool" and you unlock him as a hommie.

[@CrazedGinja]

If I remember correctly there was a cancelled game called Saints Row: Money Shot where ultor dispatches a professional female assassin named Cypher to take him out. Using some very sophisticated sniper technology, Cypher makes her move on Dex in the midst of his big corporate birthday party, swiftly disposing of him with a bullet to the head.

[@SPoKDGhsT]

@@CrazedGinja Yup that was it. I actually saw the video for that a couple of weeks ago

[@benjihendrix6067]

I was thinking the same thing

[@XerouEffect13]

there was actually a never released game of saints row. you were a sniper. and one of the targets was dex.

[@genesisdos1968]

One of the reasons I miss manuals is that some games put a lot of backstory in them. The manual is set up as a series of documents sent to chief Monroe from a plant, and was probably written by troy. These give in universe explanations of the game functions, including how Troy does not know how 'Forgive and Forget' is so effective. That last part made me chuckle.

[@NFSBeast2365]

IKR?

[@gamerdude3566]

Same reason why Troy never pulled the plug on the boss, they respect each other

[@Thatguywithswords]

Fun Fact- the Game manual for SR1 in the games case is Troys police notebook. its pretty sweet

[@TheGravityShifter]

I'm glad you brought up SR3 there. It's interesting that even all that time after 2, he still benefits the gang. I wasn't really too big on Troy but this Lore video did help me get a newfound appreciation for him.

[@NFSBeast2365]

Agreed!

[@saint-]

Great video. There’s a lot stuff I missed in mines so i’m glad you covered this. It’s still a shame to see what could’ve been of the story had they actually continued from Corporate Warfare though. I’m sure characters like Dex & Troy would’ve played a way bigger role in 3 if they had.

[@captaindisrespect4686]

Definitely agree. They should’ve kept that side of saints row and ignore the Saints Row IV apologists calling 1&2 a gta clone.

[@nottheo5councildataexpunge]

Agreed because I mean they just tossed Dex and Troy out the window for the third game like all that’s mentioned of him is when the SWAT team say over the PA system or Intercom “Troys not gonna bail you out of this one!” When your fighting with them above the bank in the first mission in SRTT ‘When Good heists go Bad’ but then nothing else is mentioned and in 4 he’s not even with Playa if anything for Saints Row IV they should’ve just had Troy survive and him get abducted by Zinyak or just continue the story with Dex and Troy in the third game but no we get 3 mediocre gangs,a futuristic military force and fucking aliens… SRTT and IV was honestly kinda the most disappointing for me and they just took a big shit on Dex in SRIVGOOH

[@skynet1.044]

If it wasn’t for Troy, “playa” would have died on that street corner, probably why he hasn’t had him killed,because he owes him his life.

[@jotaro1644]

I think in SR3 when they say "troy cant bail you out of this one" it mean they already cornered troy like dane vogel did with the brotherhood inmates. Troy can't do anything but to obey the morning star. Morning star is far more superior than ultor. saint row 3 have a good theme of a gang enemy but they are to comedic and cartoonish. if they just stick with their old gang warfare it would be fun

[@bfsjay4660]

Honestly sr3 should of just cut the other gangs and only have the 🟥 crew and kept the tone like 2 also cut out on the crazy action and big giants zombies and give it a better plot with Dex in it and sr3 would’ve been considered the last good sr game.

[@Schregger]

Ive heard it put like this, SR2 was the apex of the series, with the first being the obvious rough draft, and 3 and 4 being games that were made by people that didnt understand what the Saints Row franchise was about, and thought the funny, whacky, and crazy shit was what made Saints Row, Saints Row. Hell, SR3 treated the 3 gangs as obligatory thing, the three gangs were basically two gangs that were subservient to the third, leaving it with there being only one actual gang, no fighting three different gangs at the same time like the pervious games. And the customization was also severely neutered.

[@Mad-rg9sz]

I'm pretty sure that the line 'troy can't bail you out of this one' just means at some point troy has got them out of jail. I highly doubt the morning star had anything to do with troy as they hardly had a presence in stillwater besides the bank.

[@LadyBern]

@@Schregger and the newest one really re-enforces that they don't seem to understand what makes saints row saints row. They spoke to the community, spoke to people who were like the mouth pieces of the community, saw lists and so one from people saying "ok we were forgiving with 3 but you really screwed up with 4. Here are detailed lists of what you can do to fix this. Hell we're even up for saints row taking place in Tokyo or hong kong or some fictional setting of either. Look we know you don't wanna be seen as the gta clone but gta is able to change up all of the time without rebooting or completely changing what makes gta gta. take a page from their book." And their take away was "fans want a complete reboot with a completely new gang and our more iconic jokes neutered."

[@twinodoom]

Troy just didn't have the kind of pull to go against the Morningstar's influence.

[@ruben_zermeno]

Professional, you should make another Saints Row lore video, talking about Dex and his betrayal to the Saints Row, the Playa/Boss and Julius. Because unlike Julius (which I get that he was arrested by Troy, and he ended up choosing to betray the Playa/Boss, because he thought that he was so sociopath that he couldn't be able to agree about give up ruling the city and making the Saints fall apart), I still don't understand very well why Dex betrayed them, to work for a company much worse than the Saints Row gang itself.

[@gregorynicholsjr.7678]

AGREED!!

[@cruoix9459]

Dex probably betrayed the saints for his own personal gain. He got a good job at Ultor just imagine the money and the power he had. Maybe he predicted the fall of the Saints close to the ending knowing that Troy was an undercover cop and instead of telling them he just played along

[@cardioandfriends]

@@cruoix9459 this exactly. His only missions in Saints Row were for monetary gain for the saints by dipping into Los Carnales profits with their Colombian drug connections. He was the selfish homie

[@Zuernaxashyr]

Despite Troy being a cop all this time, I really like the loyalty he has The Boss even during SR2 moments where he tries not to condemn The Boss.

[@trevorphilips4925]

i think another reason why the playah spared troy is because in the audio tapes he learns dex knew troy was an undercover cop and instead of killing him or warning the other members he kept it a secret and jumped ship leting all getting arrested except him which led to the sints collapse mking the boss more angry at dex for leaving the crew to die rather than save them.

[@Theirishbasdard]

Its always a great day when the professional posts a video

[@theprofessional155]

Thanks man

[@yuuyakizami2133]

Wished there is a cutscene after the Prison Fight Club Lvl.6 where the Boss reunites with Troy, and Troy saying he'll explain everything before the cutscene ends abruptly

[@omar_rayyan]

Wonderful job as always!

[@theprofessional155]

Thanks !

[@muggins2279]

Either Troy was playing a 5D chess move by making sure the Boss survives and erases the new gangs that are tearing apart Stillwater and maybe even Ultor, or he is simply the only character in the series capable of empathy

[@LeviTheHyperLegendSpeed04]

The Professional I gotta say I'm glad that you played Saints Row 1 and 2 because seriously those 2 games changed me. We need the old school games like this! You inspired me to play games other than GTA. You are an awesome KZbinr and you're one of my most favourites. We all people think we should learned something from you. 💙👍🏽😁

[@flamingeel3196]

I'll say Troy isn't the most moral cop that the eye can see but I can say that is he is the most likable cop in a video game that never turn his back on people even criminals after he grow attach to them and when th Playa/boss was in a coma he never pulled the plug

[@NFSBeast2365]

Agreed. Seems like Troy is the guardian angel of the Saints

[@Aidel1011]

Troy Bradshaw, the Wei Shen of Saints Row

[@anomalousscientist472]

I’m surprised that it didn’t click into anyones head that Troy knows where the evidence locker is

[@mapleflag6518]

Except for Dex

[@Cyann33andaThird]

Troy is a nice guy. He funded the boss’ sexual reassignment surgery and hormone replacement therapy while they were in a coma

[@Eddy-my3zf]

Thank you for this lore video!! 🙌🙌 Troy was one of my favorite characters in the series

[@kobrax0341]

Man, lore videos from Professional almost ALWAYS gives me cool details or insight on the stories of games like SR and GTA, Just sucks that Saints Row dropped the pretty awesome plot because people called it a "GTA clone" and now we have the reboot...

[@OtsutsukiSan]

This comment is before watching the entire video but in the first heist in SR3, the police on the bullhorn, telling the Saints to surrender, he states, "TROY CAN'T BAIL YOU OUT OF THIS ONE!!" meaning even after SR2, Troy was turning a blind eye to the Saints.

[@sibusisovilakazi2825]

Troy's a pretty well defined character

[@elitef40]

It's always a pleasure to see more saints row related videos

[@NikkiWrightVGM]

I know its a standard gameplay element to respawn at the hospital/police station when you get killed or arrested but I think you can read further into it that its implied Troy is actually getting you off the hook each time by pulling strings with the police. In SR3 the cops say "Troy can't bail you out this time" as if hes done it over and over before to kind of further solidify the idea... so even in the end after finding out he's a cop the Boss doesn't really hold a vengeance against him due to everything he's done for him.

[@kingturk339]

I swear to god i was just playing Saints Row 2 begening missions and boss said" i might stop by the police station and say hi" and i wonder why we dont, then i saw this video.

[@nikolasferreira3247]

You do go to the police station though, is there that you find the recordings

[@kingturk339]

@@nikolasferreira3247 yeah but its a secret mission

[@nikolasferreira3247]

@@kingturk339 its a secret mission that was giving to you because you went to the police station looking fir troy but you only found the recordings and dex's number

[@kingturk339]

@@nikolasferreira3247 Yes but its actually an optional choice you know . this why i said that.

[@dubsquad156]

His police outfit also has a purplish tint to it showing he’s still somewhat loyal.

[@WarHelmetCombine]

crazy how an animation error changed the entire plot

[@deathmetalbard]

In the saints row guide that you get in the box, there was actually an "interview" that I think Jane does with a cop and they emphasize the "smoking" part of it which was a good hint as well about Troy.

[@wintertrooper7918]

Also the guide book that came with the game is written from the perspective of a high ranking saints member that is an undercover officer

[@slaterock4612]

Yep. And now is a good time for me to play 1 and 2 again after watching this, thanks Prof! Great video and touching on key points here. To me Saints Row 2 was it, left at a cliff hanger that'll never be dealt with as far as Dex. To think that years back, I and others have thought we were going to deal with Dex in the third game, would've been something if they incorporated him in STAG as like his own private army and so on.

[@kingdollaz302]

I’ve never played saints row, but I never thought it was this deep. I’m gonna have to start from the beginning and work my way up.

[@RyujinRoninReach]

Man I wish characters had these personalities again

[@matthewfarell7584]

Your lore videos are some of the best I have ever seen ever

[@Housesider]

Man, watching these older SR1/SR2 cutscenes really reminded me of why myself (and presumably plenty others out there) cared so much about the story, writing, and characterizations of the first two games. It was just done so much better than 3 & 4 (and I like those games too. Aspects of them, anyway lol.) 3 & 4 are mostly just about "moments" without anything substantial to really tie them together in the interim. You get these giant whacked out "CrAzY" scenes but that's all they really are and wind up being. The first two games had tons of foreshadowing, hints, and long-term story elements that were paid off later on rather than everything being immediate. It's a shame Volition never managed to really hit that level again after SR2. Here's hoping with the new game, but my expectations aren't high.

[@LadyBern]

Right? In 2 even though there were separate storylines going on with the different gangs I got the one great story of trying to reclaim Stilwater but our gang wasn't just a gang. We cared if our ppl got hurt, there was loyalty and respect. 3 was "oh you guys are in trouble. I guess I'll save you for some reason." I would've loved actually witnessing Shaundi go from party girl to serious because she's freaking with her survivor's guilt. But she's cast to the wayside for Kenzie. They don't even use her many connections with exes, friends, and dealers like before.

[@freetrial9535]

Honestly I see Saints Row in "2" Eras. The older Era, where they're about the Gang Banging lifestyle, almost like a GTA:SA (GTA SA also kind of having that characterization and a Rags to riches story) and Saints Row 3-4 being more about the Saints being Established now. They're not a Gang, they're an Empire. They got resources, they're at the top, and they go even further beyond the top. I feel like with SR3/4 you couldn't really tell a comparative story to SR2, so they didn't, but they focused on the gameplay, and made that more fun and compelling. Plus I'll say this, for as much hate as I know SR4 gets, nothing will replace that moment of the Boss finding Johnny Gat, stopping his simulation, and then going and doing an activity with him with "the Boys are back in town" playing in the background. And SR3/4 has those little moments in that stick with you. I think all 4 games have something that they're good at, that people will find fun, and it's why like, after SR4 Volition lost its soul. like with the new reboot coming out, and it literally just.... being something that makes SR4 look good and fun. Say what you want about SR3/4 but atleast it still had the soul of SR1/2.

[@SocksFCGameArchives]

Who knew the new game would kill the franchise and the company behind it :/

[@jorgealexisromero1645]

Man thank you for keeping uploading content of saints row, love the saga

[@Nightm4re987]

I love a lot the cutscenes in Saints Row, since they are all made with motion capture, so they look natural, and what i love is that even cutscenes that show action and fights use motion capture so it looks more epic, natural and realistic

[@dennisjohnson1937]

Amazing explanation as always. Troy was more loyal to the boss than Julius and Dex ever were.

[@MrRockstar402]

I'd love to see a video of why Johnny tried and failed to kill Troy in the first place. That's one of the biggest questions about Saints Row that I'd love to see get explored

[@gabrielarkangelo]

I love the "the los carnales rio grand river" joke.

[@kingturk339]

Also maybe Gat didnt go after him twice because Troy never exposed Aishas fake death.

[@ADL21]

Troy's a true friend, especially to a person who never said a word to him essentially.

[@user-yo8ab1ys9e]

Great video, as always. I absolutely love Saints Row and Saints Row 2. I've been meaning to do another play-through on the Xbox Series X, thanks to backwards compatibility. A shame the multiplayer servers were shut down all those years ago. I want to play protect the pimp again!

[@noahnorman6877]

Fun Fact: Troy and Joey Leone from GTA 3 both share the same voice actor.

[@lilspeakersbeats3741]

Saint Row story was so good they should have stopped at 2 instead of making more games that don’t continue the story

[@StephonDodd]

The Professional does it again with another great video! 😎💜⚜️

[@Streetmasterog]

Just like how dom found out brian was a undercover cop to bring him and his family down same story with saint’s row

[@Dee-sz2yd]

Bro this video was dope! I always wondered about Troys motives but looking at this he’s basically Niko Bellic when it comes to loyalty only difference he is a cop and is torn on which side to lean on yet in the end even though he is a cop he still thinks like a gangster

[@boostio5532]

Troy reminds me of Wei. Both cops looking to take down a gang. But end up developing loyalty

[@bubbagumpGG]

Great analysis! Thank you for sharing Professional.

[@Armon_DaGamer]

@12:40 And that was the reason for why Dex went to the TeeNay to confront Troy about being a cop. So then Dex went on still being a member of the saints so that Noone would find out and kill him. IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW

[@yarr_bro]

Good video Pro, seriously appreciate your analytic mindset.

[@kulengaisthekoolest]

Thank you for making this video Troy is The Saint of all Saints They shouldve had a Troy story arc DLC instead of Terra Patrick That is the only thing I hated about Saints row 2

[@PVTBaconator16]

Troy looking so drastically different in 2 always threw me off.

[@galilalexandro4392]

I enjoyed your Saints Row 1 and 2 walkthrough Pro and these lore videos are amazing 👏👍

[@alexweger1392]

Troy is also mentioned in one of saints row gat out of hells activities which is simular to the one where you throw yourself in trafic

[@OfficialNinjaSkillz]

Troy was a real ride or die. The Saints completely warped him into not snitching even as a chief of police.

[@SNTIN4L]

Even in the 2nd game i feel like troy and the playa/boss have some kind of weird mutual respect for eachother its like troy knows that the playas loyalty towards the saints is in regards to literally saving his life and the playa knows that troy deep down still has some love for the saints

[@JTDAPOET]

At the time I never really pay attention to Troy I just want to take over but now looking back Troy was solid even tho he was a cop doesn't change the fact what he did for the Saints he could've killed the boss but didn't he stay loyal

[@PGHDude]

Good stuff, I really enjoy it. I like character profiles. Man we need a real reboot/remake of Saints Row. Saints Row 1 and 2 getting real updates with some additions to the story and such.

[@andrewstencel]

Didn't care much for his character in the first place, but now I respect the man. He did nothing wrong.

[@Berserkerenergy]

Hearing from you it's the Best way to understand the Characters and Lore.

[@donnieroush58]

The little Los carnales convo between dex and troy is by itself more funnier than anything in the shite reboot

[@saintakins187]

Thank you Michael Rapaport for your voice acting of Troy Bradshaw.👏🏾👍🏾😎

[@bobbyserrano3872]

The real question that should be asked is that what Tory was doing in between the five year gap between saints row one and two before becoming chief of police

[@bfsjay4660]

We should of got a game like that i would’ve accepted one about Johnny Dex or Julius too

[@wintertrooper7918]

Doing police shit

[@thevhm1083]

Excellent Lore Video Professional!

[@theprofessional155]

Thank you vhm

[@RGTriple3525]

Another saint row lore video lets go.keep it up Professional

[@thejaded]

The voice acting is amazing wow

[@edwardconner3335]

Let's not forget that Troy lets you play around on the fuzz TV show impersonating a cop. After you do the one fuzz set you get infinite pistol ammo which I always assumed was because Troy would just send extra ammo shipments to the saints.

[@murderinc.7127]

In one of the first missions where the playa goes with Julius & Troy, at the end of the mission the cops come, I get in the car & shoot the cop, instead of gaining another star you lose them & Troy will say alright we lost them

[@jaredsheldon3496]

Great video. Really appreciate that you’re doing these lore videos on the first two Saints Row games.

[@salamp4909]

the more saints row 1 and 2 content you make i’ll be here for it

[@hunteralmond3509]

Like all of your lore videos, this was beautifully made

[@hsthatzo8063]

Nice one for more saints row 1 & 2 content! love these videos mr professional

[@carlosrz_7]

Lore video lets go thanks pro!

[@XerouEffect13]

i had come across a video. made by the creators of Saints Row. saying that the end of saints row is not canon. because it was supposed to be julius in an alley bloody. not standing there watching the explosion then walking away. the creators said the motion capture people liked there own idea better and the motion capture people put there own in the game instead without telling anyone.

[@imonke5303]

Julius is the one that took the Playa in, not Troy, Troy didn't want to recruit the Playa, it was Julius who gave the command and had you cannonized, he is right to believe he saved you that night even if he isn't the litteral savior (troy killing the vk)

[@HP_594]

Is it just me or Franklin & Dex are somewhat similar? Both are two bit thugs who want to rise to three-bit gangsters, however, while Dex does betray the Saints, Franklin stays true to his roots and saves Lamar, even though he’s a big guy and all.

[@roosgambino]

11:25 this could be a hint about the Julius mission since you have to get dex's phone number from Troy's office at the station, which would mean the boss did follow through on trying to confront him.

[@Clydecancook5000]

In 18:20 Trot said do you think I like to arrest my friends